• Truth

    By the same logic, psychotropic drugs are also responsible for people not committing mass murder. Millions of people are on these medications and are not a danger to themselves or anyone else. The common denominator in these killings were people with SEVERE mental illness that was not controlled.

    • dizymeup

      Amen to that. Anti gun supporters fail to realize that most people seeking help from psychiatric drugs such as SSRI’s are dealing with non life threatening issues such as Anxiety, panic attacks etc.. These meds help people more than hinder. It would be a shame and completely unfair to label all people seeking help from a therapist as emotionally unstable or mentally ill…..you are going to end up finding many people not willing to seek help because of the additional stigma added because of this gun grab by the government.

      • $45932940

        I totally agree!!

        • Mo86

          You again? Agreeing/disagreeing with everything? Stop wasting people’s time.

        • Combat Veteran Seabee

          So how many drugs are you on?

          • dizymeup

            Where would that be yours or any one elses business?…if I am or am not I’m not a mass murderer.

      • http://twitter.com/Tierrah46 TierrahB

        By the same token, it IS unfair to label all gunowners as mass shooters!

    • $45932940

      Also good

    • Joe BiteMe

      BS. How do you explain that 30 years ago, without the advent of miracle feel good drugs, there wasn’t any mass murder/shootings at schools or elsewhere?

      • Berzrkr50

        Because back then it was much easier to commit people against their will if it appeared they were a danger to society. The ACLU took it to court and made the government empty the institutions. Thank you, ACLU (you nitwits).

      • frankstclair

        You are mistaken, sir. The worst school mass murder was in 1928, where a disgruntled school employee blew up a school with dynamite. Mass murder has occurred since the beginning of time. Don’t fool yourself.

        • CharlieFromMass

          I’ve never even heard mention of this. Not the St. Valentine’s Day massacre, was it?

      • Brooklynresident

        Look it up. You will find there are far FEWER mass killings in this decade than even the 1960’s. The good old days, don’t you know. Now we have a press that loves the sexy, the salacious, the shocking,–and they publicize the Hell out of these things. Does anyone know why Leo Held killed all those people in 1968? I know what people said. But no one reported on the reason then. Same as why we never heard about Kennedy and Johnson and their affairs. Back then, the press still showed some restraint. Now, unless it’s to further their agenda, they have none.

        • ray

          Er, Uh, Ah, Is this the same press that won’t do any investigative reporting, vetting of say, a presidential candidate?

          • Brooklynresident

            ….unless it’s to further their agenda,….

          • Brooklynresident

            …unless it’s to further their agenda….

    • IllinoisHostage

      By the same logic, guns are also responsible for people
      not committing mass murder. Millions of people are own these guns
      and are not a danger to themselves or anyone else. The common
      denominator in these killings were people with SEVERE mental illness
      that was not controlled.

      • JRJ21

        No, 30 years ago we had much less shootings and easier access to guns.The drugs are the new denominator.Get it?That and the war on God.

        • IllinoisHostage

          My reply runs in parallel with Truth’s statement. In other words we are in agreement. Get it?

        • wvbh17

          I agree but there’s one denominator which must be considered as well and that is : look at the populatoin numbers of 30 years ago and now. I guess the war on God is this outworld liberal diseased thinking

    • johnwlooper

      The cases studied involved protracted use of such drugs.

      • gundog1911

        London-based psychiatrist David Healy has recently stated “we are giving drugs to
        children passing through critical development stages a conducting a vast
        experiment that we do not know what the outcome will be. We are drugging our
        children and reaping the results. When will we become responsible parents and
        first get our kids out of government schools and then let then be children.
        Stand up the the tyrannical thug government.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Weiner/100001179896625 Regina Weiner

          We should ask Dr. Healy how he intends to get these poor children from early development to adulthood when their behaviors are aggressive, impulsive and lacking both judgment and insight.

          • January24

            I agree with you, Regina.

      • WellNowDear

        Your point is?

    • http://www.facebook.com/annie.hamer.7 Annie Hamer

      . So then, are you saying these drugs, which are sold to millions upon
      millions of Americans annually really aren’t working for many with
      severe mental illness? Are you saying that they would have carried out
      these murders even if they had not been on psych drugs? Why then do we
      only see these ongoing mass murders after the advent of antidepressants?
      Haven’t the pharmaceutical companies bamboozled us for decades then?
      There were drugs for “mental illness” long before antidepressants and we
      didn’t see these events as we have seen since the mid’ to late 1980s (when the first SSRI Prozac was marketed) That does not verify the common denominator but assuredly does suggest it and has brought about much investigation into the potential connection.

      Are you aware that billions of dollars have been paid out by the producers
      of various SSRIs to plaintiffs in lawsuits as well as the suits that
      were settled out of court? Do you think any pharmaceutical company is
      going to pay that kind of money if their drugs weren’t clearly found at
      fault for triggering violence, homicides and suicides? This is not
      information that is usually considered “newsworthy” by the main stream
      media though they have a righteous obligation to inform the public of
      the dangers of these drugs.

      Dr. Ann Black Tracy investigated 70 reported situations of school
      violence/murders and discovered that 68 of the 70 involved psychotropic
      drugs. Dr. Tracy has also investigated the tragedy of mothers murdering their
      children. Her findings are that 90% of those mothers were on psych drugs
      (or had recently gone off of them). No, the common denominator is not severe mental illness; it is, as this article has stated, the psych drugs, and, in particular, the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (antidepressants such as Prozac, etc). Rarely do depressed and even severely depressed people (not on prescribed chemicals) murder people and/or commit suicide. Leading world expert Dr. Peter Breggin has stated that unambiguously in numerous books, articles, and interviews. Antidepressants have been called (by Dr. Breggin and many others) “chemical handcuffs,” “chemical straitjackets,” “chemical
      lobotomies.” Some of the known side-effects of these SSRIs are tendency to
      violence, akathisia, agitation, aggression, suicidal and/or homicidal ideations.
      A few others: sleep-walking, auditory and visual hallucinations. The
      pharmaceutical companies have known that SSRIs can cause such violent effects and have suppressed that information for years. Dr. David Healy has stated that the side effect potential of violence, etc. has been known in the industry for 50 years. The facts are coming out because of law suits, the Freedom of Information Act, and people in the medical/scientific community who have the integrity and courage to pursue the truth and speak out. To clarify further: the preponderance of people on SSRIs are not severely mentally ill. Please do some research on the work of Dr. David Healy who is considered the world expert on SSRIs. Also, Dr. Peter Breggin, Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Dr. Ann Blake-Tracy, Dr. Ben Goldacre, Dr. Irving Kirsch (who did the definitive work in meta-analysis), and medical research journalist Robert Whitaker. Those names
      would be an informative and substantial place for you to begin. The names I have cited for you are all primary sources. You can readily locate their books,
      articles, web sites and research their credentials. As an investigative researcher and an advocate for the mentally or emotionally impaired, I have investigated these issues for more than a dozen years. The time I’ve personally spent researching this and numerous related topics doesn’t automatically spell accuracy. I realize that you won’t and shouldn’t be convinced by what I’ve written which is why I gave you several names for a starting point for your own research.
      (I have tried to edit this as some lines appeared with only one word. I hope that this will be a good copy.)

      • January24

        Coincidence is not causation, Annie.

        The advent of greater (and more senseless) violence is more an outcome of the breakdown of the fabric of society than it is a result of medications to treat mental illness.

        Possibly an even greater factor is that the liberals forced their view upon society that publicly funded mental institutions should be closed — and so they were. Thus, Jared Loughner and Adam Lanza were free to kill. In a previous generation, their parents would have had them committed. The evidence has shown that the parents of BOTH young men were aware of their mental illness and were trying the best they could to control them. (Loughners parents disabled his car at night. Lanza’s mother was preparing to put him in a private mental health facility, although she couldn’t have kept him there without his consent — thanks to the laws which the Left has forced upon us.)

        You realize, I hope, that millions upon millions of people with depression have been helped by the new generation of anti-depressants. The vast majority of them (obviously) have not killed anyone.

        • http://www.facebook.com/annie.hamer.7 Annie Hamer

          Thanks for your thoughtful reply Jan 24. Yes, I realize that coincidence is
          not causation. I don’t believe that I said that nor implied it. Perhaps you
          blanketly wish to assume “coincidence” when the percentages are this high but I
          find that an unwarranted position to reasonably take. We should be seeking truth
          at all cost and not assuming. How many mentally ill people not on psych drugs
          are out perpetrating mass murders? Do you think there may be millions of
          seriously mentally ill people who are not on psych drugs? How many of them have
          been found in the role of mass murderer? Why aren’t we finding that in the mix?
          I would like to suggest that you reconsider your own position if you assume
          these events as brought out in the article (and my comments in my first
          response) are merely “coincidental” (specifically mass murders by those using
          antid’s). We could, on the other hand, tangentialize into a discussion about
          whether “coincidence” itself exists. Not a very scientific term when one must
          deal in evidences such as in “evidence based medicine.”

          I would just love to know your sources for the assertion that these events
          have more to do with the breakdown of the fabric of society than the psych
          drugs. What do you base that on? Would this actually come under your guise of
          “coincidence”?

          The discussion at hand is the presence of antidepressants
          in those who have perpetrated mass murders in the US. What the issue is not is
          how many people feel better, or think they feel better, as a direct effect of
          the chemicals in the drugs. However, as a sidebar, I’d like to highly recommend
          to you the meta-analysis by Dr. Irving Kirsch which you could track down at
          Amazon and perhaps his site. There is no escaping the conclusive evidence that
          antid’s are no more effective than the placebo effect. And the active placebo
          effect is even more shocking. Then take into account the potential severe side
          effects and it’s time to review the touting of these drugs by those with
          billions to gain.

          Many other factors come into play besides the couple
          that you mentioned and all need to be considered.

          The evidence being
          brought out by law suits against various makers of antid’s and the Freedom of
          Information Act, private trials, as well as whistler blowers, doctors,
          scientists, et al. verifies the powerful, “impossible to intelligently
          rebut/refute with integrity,” facts (and I previously cited a number of names an
          interested reader could pursue to find their works).

          Are you at all familiar with the terms “black propaganda” and
          “disinformation”? I rather imagine that you are. Turns out that the
          pharmaceutical companies actually pay people to scour the Internet and respond
          with disinformation to articles such as this one. As an investigative journalist
          and advocate for the mentally and emotionally impaired I have seen it used
          countless times. Some are better at it than others.

        • WellNowDear

          Yes, and part of the problem is pill pushing my medical personnel who will give them to anybody. SSRI’s are not appropriate treatment for many mental illnesses.

      • WellNowDear

        Tracy would have included much more than SSRI’s if she said “psychotropic”when talking about meds. There are about 27 major psychotropic drugs with only a few of them being in the SSRI category.

    • WellNowDear

      Yes, that is true but, all people with a severe mental illness are not violent. Many people who have schizophrenia are not violent. Each individual had different issues. From experience, I certainly would say most people with psychosis have the potential to be violent/dangerous without the proper medication and counselling as to symptom control. If someone is hearing voices telling them to do violent things they will often do the acts with the belief it will shut up the voice. With treatment they learn that the voice is a symptom of disease. Just for the record SSRI are not the usual treatment for psychosis.

    • TexanForever29

      Amen, Truth! I’ve been on SSRI’s for twenty years, and although I had to try different ones (some didn’t work and some, like Prozac made me into someone who I didn’t recognize) the one I’m on now works wonders. I am an avid gun collector, and have never been a danger to anyone. Your statement about SSRIs preventing more violence is the honest truth! Your nom de plume is very appropriate!

    • Researcher

      Again, this is not true. While drugs are a common denominator there is another one that the public and mental health services are unaware exists. There is evidence reported in news stories to show that the Virginia Tech, Redlake tribal school, Jokela Finland school, and Atlanta day trader killers all created Subliminal Distraction exposure before their rampages. Barton, in Atlanta, thought he was having a mental break from inherited mental illness.

      VisionAndPsychosis.Net

  • Cymond

    Correlation is not the same as causation. A classic example is murder & ice cream. Ice cream sales and murder rates increase together. Does that mean ice cream causes murder? No, they are unrelated to each other. A hot summer causes both ice cream sales & murder to increase.

    Super-crazy people take pharmaceuticals. Super-crazy people can snap and become violent. It does not mean that the drugs caused the violence. It makes sense that the most deranged people are taking drugs. (I say “super-crazy” because there are a lot of nonviolent people with minor mental illnesses.)

    Of course, maybe the drugs *did* contribute to the violence. I remember about 10 years ago when it hit the news that anti-depressants can actually increase suicidal urges in minors.

    • $45932940

      Good comment

    • $7589507

      I agree with you about being cautious.

      That being said, if all of them were on mind or emotional altering drugs then a pretty good correlation can be made. Unlike the ice cream analogy, those drugs actual meet a legitimate term for a causal action.

      • WellNowDear

        Anything that has the potential to alter moods can bring this about including but, not limited to some antibiotics.

    • WellNowDear

      Finally, a word of sense here. Praise God!

    • WellNowDear

      Anti-depressants when first started temporarily increase suicidal ideation. The reason for that is that they are mood altering. For the same reason someone who has Bipolar DO will have an increase risk of suicide thoughts when they start in an upward mood cycle.

  • Grayce

    Many people fall for taking these drugs, because they think it’s the easy way out. Here take this all your problems will go away.

    • WellNowDear

      So many people think a pill will solve all their problems. They want the lazy way out without putting forth any effort of their own.

  • Bret

    When you start suppressing children’s’ emotions they do not learn to cope/handle them, once off the meds. those same emotions start rushing in. While not the lone cause of violent behavior, the current popular practice of over prescribing of mood altering meds. is a factor.

    • BigUgly666

      Same thing with corporal punishment and just telling them, “No”.
      If the child never has to deal with disappointment and not always getting their way, they never learn to deal with the REAL WORLD.

    • WellNowDear

      Poor parenting, lousy teacher, incompetent doctors, myths and misperceptions, media fads; all these contribute to the problem. Normal is abnormal, good is bad, evil is good, and so on and so forth. Our whole society is sick. Things have gotten so bad that it is considered normal for two men to engage in the most perverse acts. To object to that is considered a hate crime. How disgusting! How evil!

    • disqus_Ed8LYkU7q2

      The “government’s” children aren’t forced to take these drugs. These drugs are for the abuse and use of WE THE PEOPLE’S CHILDREN AGAINST US AND AMERICA. And when our children are drugged to death or insanity and murdered for the excuse of “the Government” to destroy the CONSTITUTION AND ALL OF OUR NATURAL BORN RIGHTS in America and then to do the same for the conquering world by THE NEW WORLD COMMUNIST ORDER, there won’r be any government to stand in their way and stop them from murdering BILLIONS OF INNOCENT BEINGS.

  • johnwlooper

    There’s no revelation here. Forensic Science has studied thousands of suicides and homicides and found that these drugs have had a significant role in those cases.
    It seems that parents have allowed kids get on these drugs in order to “fix” the kid’s problems instead of practicing good parenting skills.

    • WellNowDear

      Other things also have a “significant” role in suicides.

  • john Goult

    But, But, But the DRUGS are for OUR Children. So they can “Learn’ in our Schools!
    Just ask Bill Ayer’s and Friend’s!

  • Uncle Sam’s Misguided Child.

    I have PTSD from Nam. 15 years later they put me out of the military and had me on some of that stuff. Did it ever make me an a-hole. I did not care who I hurt. Generally it was some idiot with a mouth. Docs. said I was doing fine. My wife introduced me to the Lord and she had me quit taking that crap, and I have not blown up in over 25 years.
    My wife’s way works best.

    • $7589507

      Which goes to show that hard work pays better dividends than “to good to be true” easy solutions that require no effort or personal reflection that might lead to changing the root of the problem.

      • WellNowDear

        There is a place for these meds but, I have found that they are over prescribed. The same is true of all medications.

    • Berzrkr50

      You need to keep that little nugget out of sight from the gubmint or they’ll declare you unfit to possess firearms… The bastards!

      • 7papa7

        They will also put him on a terrorist list.

        • WellNowDear

          Amen, to that.

        • January24

          I am so very sorry that people have taken such extreme and entrenched positions on this without proper reflection. There is an analogous situation with the people who are persuaded that vaccinations caused their children’s autism. (So what shall we do? Stop vaccinating for measles and mumps — a vaccination which have saved thousands of lives and prevented millions of serious complications.)

          First, let’s state the obvious: As long as there are humans, there will be some humans who are mentally ill. If you look back through history with a fair mind, you will be forced to acknowledge the truth of this statement.

          The degree of mental illness ranges from mild to stark raving mad. The Left forced our society to close all of our mental institutions. This turned out to be a favor to nobody — not society at large and not people suffering from mental illnesses to the point that they were stark raving mad.

          The parents of both Jared Loughner and Adam Lanza knew their sons were severely mentally ill. Both Loughner’s parents and Lanza’s mother had — in their ways — tried to protect people from their sons. (Loughner’s parents disabled his car at night and took other such measures. Lanza’s mother had plans to enroll him in a boarding school for people exhibiting his type of troubles.)

          Are you with me so far? There have been some people who were very mentally ill since the dawn of time. And these people have always needed to be confined away from society in order to prevent innocent people from being harmed?

          If we would just do the sensible thing and re-open public institutions for people who are severely mentally ill — and change the laws so that they could be confined there against their wills — almost all of these killings would be prevented, since they are the result of madness — not medicine.

          There’s more, but that’s a start. If anyone disagrees with this, he or she is not a fair-minded or deep-thinking individual.

          • 7papa7

            I am not really sure what your point is. Yes their is a lot of mental illness in the country and yes many should be institutionalized. Most of those have a D after their name. What you say about vaccinations causing autism the jury is still out. Their is evidence both ways so at this time the medical profession flat doesn’t know and to be adamant one way or the other is foolishness.

          • WellNowDear

            Drug burned kids will do anything. They get hopped up on speed, angel dust, whatever and go on a killing spree.

          • Patick

            Eugenics is an idea tried in the past and present. It may work.

      • sovereigntyofone

        Isn’t it Ironic that our troops now days can be re-deployed over and over again with PTSD into combat. But, the moment they get home the government wants to disarm them. They can die for our Republic, but they can’t have the right to protect and defend their families when they get home.

        • WellNowDear

          It is ironic indeed. What at bunch of idiots they are in Washington.

          • $7589507

            Worse yet are the people who put them there. Its hard to believe but our elections still work. Why co-op the system if you own the hearts and minds of the slight majority of the populous.

          • http://www.facebook.com/walter.jenisch Walter Jenisch

            vote them out in 2014

        • DAY8293A

          ALL YOU VETS OUT THERE GETTING ON THE BAND WAGON TO CLAIM PTSD TO GET DISABILITY BENEFITS WILL HAVE YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A GUN TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU… MAN UP AND GET OVER IT…. OR HAVE YOUR GUN RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU

          • Mockingbird

            That was exactly the point, military first, they know how to use weapons. The moment I heard the word drugs I knew their intent. But I think everyone at one time or another has been on mind altering drugs, even sleeping pills fall in that category
            .

    • 7papa7

      Congratulations in overcoming a horrific disorder. Keep up the great work.

    • got243kids

      Thank you for your service and your candor.

    • WellNowDear

      Have a son with the same after a tour in Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan. The meds didn’t make you an “a-hole”; not having God did that to you. So glad you are better now. He is, too.

    • January24

      I’m glad that you’re better, Child.

      The fact that you feel the medicines you were given were not helpful to you does not mean that there aren’t medications given to other people with mental illness which are helpful.

      Millions upon millions of people have found relief from their depression through modern anti-depressants. And obviously the vast majority of these people have not harmed anyone ever.

      As far as schizophrenia is concerned, it is when people are off their meds that they hear voices urging them to commit violence. And about psychosis . . . people with this terrible affliction can have almost no useful life at all without medication.

      Your view, when taken to the extreme, would take us back to the dark ages when there was no effective treatment at all for people with severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and psychosis . . . so they were simply locked away to suffer from madness until they eventually died.

      The REAL villain here is (as usual) the Left who forced society to do away with publicly funded mental institutions. The parents of Jared Loughner and Adam Lanza indicated that they knew their sons were mentally ill. In a smarter, better era, these two people would have been committed to a mental institution where they would have been prevented from inflicting such harm to so many.

      • Researcher

        It is not true that millions have found relief from anti-depressant drugs If you research them placebo often beats these drugs in trials. There were 47 trials when these drugs were tested to get 12 positive test results for six of the drugs.

        If you read the Physicians Prescription Instructions for each drug, the manufacturers do not know how they work. That means they also don’t know if they work.

        There is “no testable objective evidence” that these drugs do anything.

        People do get better while taking them but they also get better when placebos are given, or nothing is done. How do you determine if the drug worked or someone just spontaneously remitted while taking them?

        VisionAndPsychosis.Net

        • Remnant-of-the”D”

          I think you are more accurate Larry! I was given a “modern Anti-depressant” as January calls it and here is what happened: The first week of taking these I felt wonderful! Like I could go get anything done. By the middle of the second week, I just wanted to DIE! I stopped taking them immediately!

          It is my opinion that the older drugs are much safer and much more effective for most all things! Here is the truth: The drug companies/Big Pharma just keep creating “new” drugs so that they can make millions on the backs of innocent people,they don’t care if they kill you, or if they make you kill yourself or other’s! Once their “Patent” runs out, you won’t see any more commercials advocating how “wonderful” these things are. Just mho!

    • Rob

      Are you sure you weren’t just being a democrat?

    • David Stovall

      There are really tough calls. Chemistry of our bodies is enormously complicated. Everyone is different. Maybe too quick to release on medication, need longer confinement on the drugs.

    • mfernandez57MN

      Read “Psychoheresy: The Psychological Seduction of Christianity” by
      Martin and Deidre Bobgan. Available as a FREE E-Book download at: http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org.

  • Mo86

    And we’ve heard nothing about this because… why, exactly?

    Oh, yeah. “Guns are evil!”

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      Because it would destroy any supposed credibility that the anti-gun movement thinks it has!

      • Mo86

        Oh, I know it!

        ‘What liberal media?’, my foot.

  • Ethan David Ellingson

    Your pharmacist is your local drug dealer witchdoctor.

    I pray big pharma is taken down. Where are you big tobacco lawyers? Go get big pharma.

    pharmacy (n.) late 14c.,

    “a medicine,” from Old French farmacie “a purgative” (13c.), from Medieval Latin pharmacia, from Greek pharmakeia “use of drugs, medicines, potions, or spells; poisoning, witchcraft; remedy, cure,” from pharmakeus (fem. pharmakis) “preparer of drugs, poisoner, sorcorer” from pharmakon “drug, poison, philter, charm, spell, enchantment.” Meaning “use or administration of drugs” is attested from c.1400; that of “place where drugs are prepared and dispensed” is first recorded 1833. Theph- was restored 16c. in French, 17c. in English (see -ph-).

  • akoby

    Yes some people take these drugs and are not violent. BUT, every person is different and if the doctors don’t monitor the amounts these individuals are taking then serious side effects can occur. Simple as that. But the gorilla in the room that no one is addressing is the effect of these drugs. Also, I wonder how many of these mass murders were into violent video games?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004022148466 Stacey Miller

    I myself Was on a couple of these types of drugs. I quit taking them over a month ago. I came back from Iraq and was jumpy and nervous, also pissed and depressed. Most resulted from having a unit basically leave me behind cuz I came back broke, different story though. Bottom line, I am much better without them then with them.

  • John

    Consider this: It is a provable fact that 99% of murderers in the past 20 years drank milk or ingested some sort of milk or dairy product before the time of the murder… Statistics do not lie…

    Now that that is out of the closet, and the Dairy industry is going to be knocking on my door to see where I get my information. Obviously drinking milk does not cause someone to commit murder, as 99% of our population has ingested a dairy product within their lifetime…

    The problem we have is the the decline of morality in our society, we have been taught that it is never our fault for our failures, we believe that we all have the “Right” to something that we did not work for. We believe that for some inexplicable reason we are above poverty. This all drills away at one’s work ethic, and when you take away someone’s work ethic, they become depressed. It is provable, that when a person works, they live longer, it has long been known that when men retire, they usually do not live much past their retirement. Too many people have retired and within 2 years are dead. It has to do with our innate desire to be proud of our accomplishments, and when we do not work we are not accomplishing we are sitting and not being productive. I know from personal experience that when I sit behind a computer and blog all day (like I am doing now) my personal worth drops.

    That is why this is one of my few posts for today.

    • Brooklynresident

      True enough.
      Primary causes.
      Television in every home–spoonfeeding violence to children from an early age every day.
      Removal of prayer and God from schools–The State is now the Ultimate Authority (but they can’t be everywhere at once).
      Hyperviolent video games–children can now ACTIVELY commit violence by proxy.
      Moral relativism–an outgrowth of the removal of God from schools.. My Reality/Morality, is as valid, no matter what it is, as ANY other.
      Easy credit. Believe it or not. Never delay gratification.
      The movement to decriminalize drugs. That leads directly to

      Psychotropic drugs being foisted on infants and toddlers. And yes, that DOES happen.

    • reggiec

      Nice try but I do not believe there are any studies showing that drinking milk promotes thoughts of suicide.
      What should be done is to do a comprehensive study identifying what “prescription drugs” had been prescribed for supposed mental conditions for people involved in violent acts. Many of the drugs used to treat ADHD, bipolar, depression, or other problems have warnings of serious side effects while being used or during withdrawal from the drugs. The withdrawal period, according to the medical profession, can take up to a year and the side effects can be so serious that it is recommended that the withdrawal process be conducted under medical supervision. These include:
      depression, crying spells, fatigue, insomnia, suicidal ideas, homicidal thoughts, anxiety, panic attacks, jitteriness and trembling, irritability, impulsive actions, agitation, confusion, manic behavior, hallucinations, nightmares, detachment from reality and loss of feelings. How many of these symptoms are present in a child diagnosed with ADHD? Does putting a child or others on these drugs increase the possibility of violence?
      Will we ever find out? Probably not because if a peer reviewed study found that the drugs increased the possibility of violence it would open a huge area for lawsuits against the pharmaceutical companies pushing them and the doctors prescribing them.

  • delahaya

    Problem is there is no longterm data in children – yet we give it to them anyway.

  • Brooklynresident

    It’s all about the Quick Fix, which is the American Way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mitch.abramson Mitch Abramson

    The DVD “The Marketing of Madness” will provide you with facts and a fascinating look at the incestuous relationship between Big Pharma and the FDA, and ESPECIALLY the unpsychiatric psychiatrists that are simply – in many many cases – prostitutes for the pharmaceutical houses. These psychiatrists lecture to regular MDs who have to take continuing education courses as surgeons, internists, etc., and thes eprostitute psychiatrists tell these legitimate doctors that all these SSRI, atypical anti-psychotics, the ADHD drugs ARE ALL SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. Remeber Al Pacino’s character in teh Devil’s Advocate? He offers with “that first line of cocaine.” He doesnt say I’ll give u a mountain of cocaine. Just that initial rush. Same with these drugs: at first, it’s “wow, I love this stuff.” Try getting off of it and there’s literally ‘hell-to-pay”A Big Pharma CEO once lectured: “There’s 2 things u dont want to do; u dont want to kill the patient and u dont want to cure the patient.” They want you HOOKED, and when you try to get off these things, you GO CRAZY.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1469631007 Steve Curley

    So…, it looks like we’re back to blaming something for the evil deed rather then the person who did it. I thought as conservative gun owners we knew better then to fall for that Humanism crap of dismissing personal accountability. If you dismiss personal accountability then there is on the other hand no point in being accountable for even your own safety against a thug or a tyrannical government and you might as well then give up your guns when that’s the case.

  • James Foley

    The real common denominator is their connection to the liberal/progressive mental illness. Did the drugs cause the mental illness or did the mental illness make the drugs necessary to control murderous rages? Progressives should have a large red P tattoo somewhere visible to warn people of the presence of a possible mass murderer.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1469631007 Steve Curley

      Agreed!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Weiner/100001179896625 Regina Weiner

    There’s a flaw in this theory: namely, that powerful drugs are prescribed for deeply disturbed people. Do the drugs cause the violent behavior or the underlying disturbance? The current research has no way of determining what factor is actually causal. Or, as they tell you in grad school, correlation is not causality. I would not want to be in the business I’m in if we didn’t have SSRIs and other psychoactive drugs. We’d be back to chaining family members up in the basement. No thanks.

  • Al

    I have been seeing this information for about 5 years now. Main thing started when some British journalist was going to do an expose` on us kooky gun owners. She ended up finding this evidence and tried to report it there and they would not allow it.
    By the way I clicked on the read more link to view the whole article. My anti virus program would not allow it since it contained malware.

  • reggiec

    It is also a little known fact that withdrawal from these drugs has such serious side effects (suicidal thoughts, detachment from reality, aggression, etc) that the discontinuation of taking the drugs needs to be conducted under medical supervision and can take up to a year. In many cases the side effects from these drugs are worse that what is supposedly being treated. Can’t pay attention in class, put the kid on SSRI drugs and tweak him into a murderous or suicidal individual.

  • spyderdalton

    Does anyone find it strange that the drug companies are being completely left out of the responsibility here and only people that obey laws are being attacked?

  • http://clashdaily.com/author/SuzanneReisig/ Suzanne Olden

    Can someone please tell me, then, what people who suffer from depression and take SSRI’s to help them are supposed to do? I’m talking about Depression with a capital “D” – not “my dog just died and I’m sad “depression.” Living with Depression is like trying to swim in the ocean, for awhile things are just fine, but then you’re swimming along and a huge rip current comes up from underneath you and sweeps you away. People DIE from Depression. Those who are untreated are 20 times more likely to commit suicide than those who don’t suffer from it. Here are some relevant Depression facts for those who care to look: http://www.suicidology.org/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=232&name=DLFE-157.pdf If a medication such as Paxil or Pristiq keeps people functioning and alive, why demonize them with “you will become a mass murderer!” or worse yet, why wish them dead with this charge to take away medications that help them function?
    Smacks of being rather uncompassionate to me.

  • Kathy W

    What they all have in common is the failure of mental health professionals who know nothing about evil or criminal psychology. These people all asked for help and got pills without the oversight they needed. This is personal. I’m a survivor of this kind of violence. I lost my husband.

  • FRENCHIE1369

    PARDON ME FOR BEING THE ONE TO BRING IT UP, BUT….DOES ANYBODY ELSE HERE GET THE SNEAKING FEELING THAT THE “WAR ON DRUGS” IS, AT LEAST, SOMEWHAT MISGUIDED ? LIKE IT OR NOT, THE FACT IS THAT NOBODY SMOKES A JOINT & GOES NUTS, KILLING 20 PEOPLE JUST FOR FUN. MAYBE 20 JELLY DONUTS, BUT NOT 20 PEOPLE. IT’S DRUGS LIKE THESE THAT NEED TO BE STOPPED. DOCTORS ARE THE PUSHERS HERE & THE GOVERNMENT APPLAUDS THEIR EFFORTS. BIG DRUG COMPANIES KNOW, AS WELL AS THE FDA, THAT THESE DRUGS ARE MORE DANGEROUS THAN MARIJUANA & THEY HAND ‘EM OUT LIKE M&M’S. WHAT DO THEY EXPECT IS GONNA HAPPEN ? IT MAY BE A GOOD TIME TO MENTION THAT MARIJUANA IS PRESCRIBED TO TREAT SYMPTOMS OF DEPRESSION, WITH AN ASTOUNDINGLY GOOD SUCCESS RATE. SCHIZOPHRENIA IS ALSO TREATED WITH WEED & HAS A FAIRLY RESPECTABLE POSITIVE RESPONSE TO THE THERAPY, WITHOUT THE SIDE-EFFECT OF MASS MURDER. THE REASON IT’S NOT MAINSTREAM MEDICINE, IS THAT ANYBODY CAN GROW IT RIGHT IN THEIR BACK YARD WITHOUT BIG MONEY CHANGING HANDS TO THE PHARMECUTICAL INDUSTRY & DOCTORS WHO PRESCRIBE THESE PILLS THAT ARE KILLING PEOPLE & GETTING PEOPLE KILLED. THE GOV’T NEEDS TO RE-ASESS IT’S PRIORITIES ON THIS ONE, BIG TIME !!!! AGREE OR DISAGREE, EVERYTHING I’VE SAID IS SUPPORTED BY (DOCUMENTED) FACT IN STUDY AFTER STUDY. THE VA TRIED TO PUT ME ON DRUGS LIKE THESE & I TOLD ‘EM WHERE TO STICK IT. I’M NOT HOMOCIDAL OR SUICIDAL & HAVE NO DESIRE TO BECOME EITHER. I CAN’T GET ANY KIND OF PAIN MEDICATION BECAUSE I SMOKE MARIJUANA, BUT AT LEAST I DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BECOMING A PILL JUNKIE EITHER………………

  • bp

    Your link to

  • bp

    Your Link to ammoland has malware, according to Chrome anyway…

  • WellNowDear

    Well, I know I am riding this ole sick horse but, they never mention the toxicology report of what is found in the perps blood. I would just bet that benzodiazepines or some other addictive substance is there. When I worked mental health there was a term called “drug induced psychosis”. I sometimes saw violent people (had to screen them in jail) who were presenting that sort of behavior. Every single one was addicted to “street drugs” and mixing them with prescription meds and alcohol.

    The media, including clashdaily.com is eaten up with the SSRI as being responsible for that sort of behavior. The warning on the bottle doesn’t mean a person taking that medication will act that way. That warning is just a caution put out by the company. This is just my own opinion but, companies often want to cover themselves from lawsuits so they put all sort of warnings out.

    • http://www.facebook.com/annie.hamer.7 Annie Hamer

      I enjoyed reading your comments. I agree, the warnings from the drug
      companies about the SSRI’s doesn’t mean that a user “will” act that way but it
      most certainly does mean that those drugs can and may and in some cases do
      cause the person to act that way. That seems to be getting overlooked by so many
      in this discussion. The drug manufacturers themselves have stated that violence, homicide, suicide (and a compendium of other horrendous side effects) can be brought about by the antidepressants. I would like to suggest that the drug companies did not
      include the warnings just to “cover themselves from lawsuits” but because they
      have had no choice once the truth came out. The black box warnings (there is no warning issued by the FDA that is more critically serious than this one) on these
      drugs for younger folks is there for a specific reason and it was put there by
      the FDA (which is, I am genuinely sorry to say, corrupt to the toe nails but
      even they are forced to do what is right now and again). And have you noticed
      the ages of nearly all of these mass murderers? Why didn’t the companies put
      out these warnings when the drugs first came on the market? We know, by
      documentation, that they have known for decades now about the severe potential
      side effects (violence, for example) Goes back to 1959 for at least one company
      but the first SSRIs weren’t marketed until nearly 30 years after that. They
      knew. They hid it. Does anything look a bit suspicious to you?

      • WellNowDear

        Perhaps, I wasn’t clear with my comment. Drug companies will do anything to avoid lawsuits even so far as faking study results like they did with Vioxx and Celebrex. What I can’t understand is all the panic about SSRI medications on here and no mention about the possibility of illegal drug use being the problem with these kids. I know for a fact that illegal street and illegal prescription drug abuse is much more common than SSRI use with teenagers and yet, there is no talk on that.

        By the way, some antibiotics can cause psychosis. Did anyone even know that?

        • http://www.facebook.com/annie.hamer.7 Annie Hamer

          The corrupt clinical trials were for the base purpose of getting those drugs onto the market via the FDA. Though with the known corruption within the FDA and in conjunction with Big Pharma one must always question every step they take. Even with lawsuits the Pharmas try desperately to hide stuff. Not only did BP know about the potential for violence, homicide, suicide, etc with the antidepressants long before the drugs hit the market–evidence has been uncovered that the maker knew about the cardiac problems with Vioxx well before it was even taken to the FDA for approval. As an investigative researcher/reporter, I have never seen such deep and broad corruption as I have uncovered over the years with nearly all big pharmaceutical companies as well as with the FDA, government officials, medical journals, the psychiatric association and others. Why aren’t these people in jail for life?

  • January24

    I’m sorry. I must disagree with the view that anti-depressants cause crime. Most mental illnesses have their origin in the brain. They are physical disorders resulting from a brain which is not functioning properly.

    Science is beginning to learn this. Having too little (or an imbalance) of brain chemicals is no different from having too little insulin or too little thyroid hormone.

    There IS a connection between mental illness and violence. It is the mental illness (and not the medicines designed to alleviate it) which is the problem. The further problem is that the liberals forced society to do away with public mental institutions, which is what allows people like Jared Loughner to run loose when they should be committed.

    Conservatives need to be careful with this blanket condemnation of medicines for mental illness. It is only medicines which allow schizophrenics to be free from hearing voices in their heads. It is when they go OFF their meds that they start doing what the voices tell them to do.

    Be careful, people. Next thing you know, you’ll all be on the bandwagon condemning vaccinations against polio.

    • WellNowDear

      This bandwagon stuff concerns me, too. As a former mental health practitioner, I am concerned by this trend. I am also concerned by what I see as SSRI’s being diagnosed to treat conditions for which they were never designed.

    • Zypp

      I agree. If we vilify a medical treatment people will avoid it. We might as well move back into caves, shun everything modern, and be “safer’ (not).

    • http://www.facebook.com/annie.hamer.7 Annie Hamer

      January 24, I must say you do blow a lot of smoke around here today. There is zero, I will repeat that, zero, evidence that mental illnesses/diseases have their origin in the brain. (Note: I did not say that a damaged brain may not cause a dysfunction.) Not a single psychiatrist can prove your “chemical imbalance” claim. You really ought to let go of that tired marketeering ploy. They have zero idea what a proper balance of chemicals in the brain would be, ergo, they have no idea what an imbalance would be. Ask a hundred psychiatrists to prove it and you’ll get exactly 100 “We can’t prove this.” Good heavens, January, even the drug producers have moved far away from their initial smoke and mirrors of “chemical imbalance.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/annie.hamer.7 Annie Hamer

      JAN 24, as a PS. Your statement that you have to disagree with the view that antidepressants cause crime? I strongly recommend that you find out what the drug makers themselves state about these antid’s. You’ll find the side effects listed that will more than negate your disagreement. Do they cause all crime? Well, of course not. Can they cause crime? Of course, ask the drug companies. They admit it. Can they move a person to violence? homicide, suicide? Of course, ask the drug company. They have already admitted to this — finally. You are either severely uninformed , working off of news from a few years back or purposefully presentinig false information. Which would it be?

  • Zypp

    When taking an SSRI, there is up to a 75% chance that it won’t work for you. That is why doctors must monitor the patient and change medication as needed. It is a trial-and-error process. Also, many patients treat central nervous system drugs like aspirin and stop taking them cold-turkey, which can cause psychotic symptoms in some people. The drugs are wonderful when they work, but they must be treated with respect and used exactly as prescribed to avoid side effects. This should not be a surprise, because many legal and illegal drugs cause withdrawal symptoms.

    • WellNowDear

      For someone who has a Serotonin deficiency and obsessive thoughts, they are a life send. They can sleep again, they stop having intrusive thoughts and feel like interacting with other people again. They are not appropriate for everyone.

  • sovereigntyofone

    Which is more of a threat and more dangerous to our society/country:
    (1) A president that admits in his book, that he has memory loss of over a year due to cocaine use. Signs the NDAA, Wants the UN Arms trade agreement to use as a tool to disarm the American public?
    (2) A patriotic American that put their lives on the line daily defending our Nation and Constitution? And returns home only to have the government want to take away their 2nd Amendment rights.

  • Syl

    Doctor tried to put me one of those and I couldn’t sleep at all. What can sleep deprivation do to a person? When I would not consume them, he wrote on my permanent record that I was non-compliant. I am fine. Anyone who is not depressed nowadays is insane.

  • Al Chemist

    Just because there is a correlation of A with B does not mean that A influences B or that B influences A. There could be a third factor C that influences A. In sciences such as Chemistry, external influences are easier to eliminate. That is not the case here.

  • Mario

    Dr. Spock: What have you wrought on America’s children? The so-called ‘Psychotropic drugs’ given so freely in this day and age, were not needed when there were real parents (2) in most households, and kids were taught they would be responsible for their actions. Enter Dr. Spock, and, all of a sudden parents were absolved of responsibility of raising their children to become responsible adults. How far has the US come? Now that we don’t even keep score for little league soccer, and everyone gets a participation ribbon, kids no longer know what it means to beat the other team, or to get beaten by the other team. Think there is such a thing as ADD? I don’t. That’s just kids with all this pent-up energy, who aren’t forced to go outside and play to work it off. In the old days, parents would say: “Go outside and play – I’ve got stuff to do – and, don’t get into trouble”. A child in the first, or second grade doesn’t need Ritalin to calm them – they need parents (2) to teach them how to interact with other kids, way before they ever get to the first or second grade. By the time these kids are nearly adults, they have learned that there is no shame in doing whatever you want to do, and no repercussions either – it’ll be taken care of with a pill – “we don’t want to harm your self esteem, by punishing you for your ill-behavior”.

  • dougwalk

    they ALL are DEMOCRATS or their parents are if they are too young, (look it up)

  • MontieR

    It can’t be the poisonous drugs the FDA says they are completely safe, aside from the three hundred side affects.

  • micko77

    Please, oh please stop referring to these massacres as “shootings”. When we allow our foe to change the vocabulary, we open the door to more problems… like “assault weapons”. I go shooting, I am a shooter,shooting is what I do; These incidents are more properly referred to as “mass murders”, “massacres”, “murderous rampages”, etc. Think of the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre, with what, 5 dead? Let US define, instead of being lumped into the definition. Remember we are dealing with at least two problems: an anti-gun media/administration, and low information readers/viewers/listeners. That is all; carry on.

  • marineh2ominer

    They want to replace GOD and morality with these drugs so that they can more easily control us , and it is amazing the number of sheeple that are fine with that .

  • Oldmarine

    Sooooo what are we gunna do about. It?
    We just gunna sit on our butts and let it happen ?

  • NotFondaJane

    The common
    denominator? Maybe. But look deeper friends. In 1962, prayer was taken out of
    public schools and God has since been kicked out of the public sector and large
    chunks of the private sector. 50 years of liberal gimmee programs and the
    government replacing God and the nuclear family just may have something to do
    with the current social ills, eh? Go into a store or any public place and bring
    up the Lord Jesus Christ and watch as 99% of the people look at you as if you
    had 3 heads. The name God is more acceptable, because it’s more subjective to
    the hearer. Their God could be Allah, Buddha or a Pet Rock. I submit that the
    problem isn’t so much pharmaceutical as it is social. No Jesus Christ means there
    is not an Absolute Truth, No Absolute Standard, and No Judgment.

    Want to change
    the world? Stop worrying about what someone may or may not be taking, grow a
    pair and proclaim the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST. Know Jesus, Know Peace. No Jesus,
    no Peace.

  • alinskythis

    A
    doctor tried pushing the SSRIs on me about 20 years ago, before anyone knew
    anything about them.

    I HATED the feeling and discontinued use immediately.

    Both the doctor and the literature insert stated that one side effect was what
    was called at that time “Multiple Personality Syndrome,” a condition
    now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder, or DID.

    Separating a person from their original identity, creating an alternate
    personality, is DID, and is the first step in Manchurian Candidate mind control
    and is really happening all throughout our society, including the Globot
    Hollywood sex slaves like Beyonce, Madonna, Lady Gaga and Britney Spears.

    I swear, there isn’t a doctor I’ve met who didn’t – out of the blue, for no
    reason – try to push this crap on me.

    And guess what?

    I Googled the drugs the other day, and the accompanying literature says NOTHING
    about the MPS / DID side effect!

  • alinskythis

    I’ve watched lifelong friends start taking these things and become absolutely addicted, at the same moment they are being indoctrinated into their sudden “government jobs.”

    Their personality drastically changes almost overnight, and then they are forced to separate from all their “old friends,” to make way for their Federal Family “new friends.”

    What remains bears little resemblance to the original friend.

    They are aggressively pushing this crap on ALL their Globot indoctrinees, and convincing them they can only get by in life on a veritable cocktails of dangerous, newfangled drugs like Ambien, etc.

    Why?

    Mind control.

    It’s all the rage with the Kool Kids Klub, and there is much online talk that the presidork is a childhood victim.

  • auhunter

    Glad to see someone with some power is following my posts of the past few months, actually nearly a year. 4.500 cases dating back to the ’60’s, prove the point. The drugs of choice, being handed out by doctors and psychiatrists for kids and young adults with what is considered behavioral problems. Leading psychiatrists around the world believe this type of therapy is totally unwarranted in most cases.

  • grenn

    The liberal site Google has the link for ammoland.com as an attack site for viruses. See, they don’t want you to know the truth.

    • WellNowDear

      Really. I don’t go to that site so didn’t know.

      • grenn

        I don’t either but I do use Firefox who uses Google.s “Blacklist” to “warn you about potential attacks” Unbelievable! These people are to much!

        • WellNowDear

          I use Chrome from Google but have disabled all their stuff and use my own security program. Think I’ll check out ammoland and see what happens. I have had a problem with some “supposedly” conservative sites being infected. They were probably shams. Anybody with a little know how can do it.

    • WellNowDear

      What do you think? So why am I the only one who ever mentions “street” drugs. Do all the rest on here want pot legalized?

  • Harvey_Steele

    if the fbi or other government agency were really ‘profiling mass murderers’ they would certainly have put together SSRI’s for depression therapy as the foremost common trait. but big pharma will not allow the exposure of their f.u. s and start the law suits.
    adios,
    harv
    TaxMeMoreVille, Mexifornia ( illegal alien drug gang sanctuary state )
    push 1 for English ONLY in the USA

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001038242731 Stephen Russell

    I thought the shooters were: 1. deep plant agents 2. Manchurian types who go off on some signal 3 or psycho drugs.
    Or Govt uses psychodrugs as cover for shooters.
    Is this the case for the TX Tower shooter in 1966??

  • websmith

    First you want to take the ability of a person to control their mind away from them. Then you want to hold them responsible.

  • mfernandez57MN

    Read “Psychoheresy: The Psychological Seduction of Christianity” by Martin and Deidre Bobgan. Available as a FREE E-Book download at: http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org.

  • depaz

    Parents don’t discipline their kids for the first 5 years of their lives, then send them to school and expect them to be able to sit still for a few hours. When they don’t, they get labelled as having attention-deficit disorder and put on some kind of drug. Who know what kind of effects these things have on developing youngsters systems / brain function? I’m not saying ADD isn’t real, but it’s an awful handy label for a lot of kids that just need simple rules / discipline to follow from the time they’re old enough to understand words. And let’s not forget the current trend to make everybody a winner. Heaven forbid a delicate young psyche should discover that sometimes life tosses you lemons. And instead of TEACHING them to make lemonade, we make it FOR them. If kids were TAUGHT how to handle crises as early as possible, maybe, just maybe they wouldn’t feel the need to shoot up a school and / or kill themselves because something comes up in their lives they doesn’t fit the perfect little mold that has always been present in their lives.

  • Jack Griffin

    A lawyer once told me; when your research keeps bringing you back to the same law case references…your research is finished. Well, that is the case with all these psyche drugs. What is needed is a few brave congress critters to keep pounding the Marxists with this reality and stand up to the big pharma types…and grow eyes in the back of their heads.

  • darkcyder

    The Scientologists (whether you like them or not) wrote an excellent pamphlet on this issue in the 1990’s. They cited several recent incidents at that time- including Hinkley’s shooting of Reagan. Google the article. It was called “The Rise of Senseless Crime in Society”. they give the history of how the American Psychiatric instutute worked its way into our schools and our lives, and began giving schoolchildren drugs to control their youthful exuberance. Very scary, and very telling statistical comparisons.

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