Two Very Different Creeds

THE_FIRST_COUNCIL_OF_NICEASince the conflict in today’s culture tends to be mostly Christian vs. Secular, this posting seemed to offer some useful perspective.

It’s a side-by-side comparison of what both systems believe.  The first is an approximation of a secular “creed” based on secular values as we might see them lived out in culture.  The latter is the historical “Apostles’ Creed”.

Here is the Apostles’ Creed, click here to see the Secular Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, God’s only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

About the author: Wes Walker

Clashdaily's Religion Editor, Wes Walker, believes that freedom, faith, family, and the flag need more than to be simply cherished. They need to be understood, articulated, defended and promoted, not just by a few voices in prominent places, but by every man or woman who truly prizes them. In fact, the reason he wrote "Blueprint For a Government that Doesn't Suck" was so that every "ordinary Joe" will be able to do just that... and do it with confidence. Follow on twitter: @Republicanuck

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  • texas57

    thanks Wes, glad I agree w the apostles except the part concerning the catholic church, don’t believe in religion but do follow a relationship w Jesus, PROUD to be a follower of KING JESUS. on another subject, anybody seen todd or progressive post lately? i miss their ignorance….

  • Carrie54

    i hate when conservatives try to talk about god…it doesnt matter!!

    • texas57

      and your point is?

  • RightsOfMan

    The posted alternate Secular Creed is a highly biased and gross overstatement on the principles associated with atheism and a secular society. You have simply cherry-picked and then demonized the worst possible attributes of those who simply do not agree with your bronze-age mono-theistic culture which was formulated by the Romans to convert from multi-theism and all its problems to a simpler-to-manage monotheism. Most of the bible’s stories wer co-opted out of previous old mythologies.

    Those of us who live kind, loving, generous family lives do not subscribe to the various attributes you insist we take to our demonic hearts. this is hardly a show of religious tolerance and allowance for other established cultures, now is it?

    Thought you might like to know.Thanks for listening.

    • Wes Walker

      Where to begin?
      –First, it is a poem, not an enumeration of principles. Poems, by their nature make generalizations to communicate an idea. You complain about the point it makes, but haven’t said which of the points do not have mainstream acceptance in at least some segments of atheism. You haven’t even explained how those attributes are …objectively… “worst” attributes.
      –Second, are you trying to be offended or offensive? Being both is just sad. Religious tolerance is an interesting term for you to employ: In what way have I limited your ability to live as you choose? I have simply held secularism up to criticism. (Which is exactly what you have tried to do with Christianity.) If you are so thin-skinned that you cannot handle having your ideas challenged, that says more about you than it might about me.
      –Third, you have made several polemic and demonstrably false claims against Christianity. You so sure they’re true? I think you’re just parroting atheist internet echo chambers. Burden of proof is on you.
      Fourth — I have never said that irreligious people couldn’t be generally “decent” to one another. Of course they can. But how can you possibly measure decency, when your goalposts are in continual flux? The best an atheist can appeal to is *subjective* morality… which was exactly the point of the poem. The problem with subjective morality, nobody has to live by it. Not even bad men with bad intentions who (incidentally) have their own subjective morality. Theirs will look more like another atheist’s — Nietzsche

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