America: Running Toward Sodom

In 1996, Robert Bork wrote Slouching Toward Gomorrah, a critical expose of the culture war. Bork pointed to the acceptance of baby sacrifice as a sure sign that our culture was in decline and headed toward divine judgment. His prophetic warning was ignored by Americans. Teddy Kennedy and the Democrats had succeeded in characterizing judge Bork, nominated by Ronald Reagan for the Supreme Court, as a racist.

Of course, none of the accusations had any merit. The Democrat’s real problem with Bork, just as with Scalia and Thomas, was that he could not find a right to kill one’s child in the constitution. Unable to refute his legal opinions, his opponents resorted to character assassination. With the aid of the media and the arbiters of culture in Hollywood, the Democrats succeeded in derailing Bork’s nomination.

In his book Bork advanced the hypothesis that most Americans were blissfully ignorant of the path that the culture was on. He believed that our comfortable abundance was shielding us from the truth and thus he characterized us as “slouching.” His implication was that most of us were unaware. I think he had enough faith in his countrymen to believe that if they only understood the danger of where the cultural shift was taking them that they would reverse course. Today, after two successive elections where Americans endorsed a man promising to “fundamentally transform” America, I no longer share his faith in my fellow citizens. To approve of a man who prays, “God bless Planned Parenthood,” is to spit in God’s face.

Today, most Americans reject the concept of a sovereign deity to whom we are accountable. These days, most of us adhere to the satanic motto, “Do what thou wilt.” We are running full speed toward Sodom. Our culture exalts sodomy. Our Supreme Court has legalized same sex marriage and this week our Attorney General announced that federal employees involved in same sex marriages will be afforded all of the rights of heterosexual couples. Our entertainment industry romanticizes sodomy. Our schools teach children that same sex attraction is “normal.” Our corporations enforce diversity training that tells employees that they must “celebrate” a co-worker’s choice to engage in sodomy. The media, the entertainment priests and political leaders are castigating the Russians for passing a law that prohibits homosexuals from propagandizing children. For this they are labeled as “anti-gay rights.” Do we believe that sodomites should have a right to proselytize our children?

As a Christian, I am called to love sinners and share the forgiveness that Christ offers. Sodomy is no worse than any other sin. Gluttony, lying, stealing, lust, covetousness, adultery and a host of other human transgressions are all due the same penalty. Loving the sinner does not mean accepting and honoring the sin. We haven’t yet seen organized campaigns to force society to accept thieves.

Make no mistake, the agenda of the homosexual rights movement has little to do with rights. Their ultimate goal is to stigmatize Christians as bigots and to de-legitimize their role in society. We are seeing evidence of this agenda in action, where Christian churches are being forced by the government to serve and hire individuals proudly proclaiming their sin. Should churches also be required to hire alcoholics and child molesters in their schools?

The exaltation of sodomy is not the only sign that our culture has become debased. We have accepted and celebrated the killing of unwanted children. Our streets are not safe to walk. One is subject to a random “knock out” as part of a game. Often, the victims are the aged and the weak. Young ladies cavort on television “twerking” (masturbating) on a pole and Hollywood calls it art. The scripture describes our society as the one of the end of the age:

Know this also, that in the last days grievous times will be at hand. For men will be self-lovers, money-lovers, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, unyielding, false accusers, without self-control, savage, despisers of good, traitors, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God….

(2Ti 3:1-4)

Christ offers forgiveness to individual sinners who repent and turn to Him. But, God judges nations for their choices. The ash heap of history is littered with great nations that have rejected God. This country needs godly leaders that will point us back to God and His ways. Fearful liberals will claim that I’m calling for a Taliban style theocracy. I am not. No government of men is capable of turning men’s hearts to God. Only the grace of God and willing people can do that. If we fail to receive His grace, we shall reap what we have sown. Yellowstone is brewing.

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About the author: Rick David

Rick David retired from a career in business in 2011. His experience includes service in the USAF, in medical sales and in operations for an educational testing company. He has a passion for and has been actively engaged in conservative issue advocacy and campaigning for over 30 years. He currently resides in North Liberty, Iowa where he also served as a church pastor with his wife of 43 years and travels extensively volunteering in lay ministry.

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  • Abby

    Time to pray for not only a peaceful revolution but most importantly a Holy Revival of Truth in the public square.

    • Croco Dile

      If the thing prayed for cometh to pass – “the gods have – God has -answered our prayers; blessed be their – His – holy name!” and the fortunate results are noised abroad. If by equal chance the prayed-for benefit is unattained, then “God knows better than we what is best for us,” and the less said about the failure the better for childlike Faith.

      Don’t forget to pay the Priests !

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Thank you for your service to our country, Mr. David, and thank you for standing on the Word of God and the Truths therein. We do need a revival in America. God is still waiting for the man to stand in the gap.

  • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

    Time to pay the piper.

  • SiRobertson

    Very good article! Our sick culture, though not the real majority that the propaganda media tries to proport, does not change eternal truth. Perversion is still perversion.

    • Croco Dile

      Perversion that was invented by Priests.

      For nearly two thousand years the priestcraft of Christendom, for purposes of domination by fear and greedy exploitation through imposture upon credulity, has consigned to earthly fire and sword, and to eternal damnation all who dared to dissent or to protest their Myths and Lies.

      • AirFrank

        The only lies here are yours.

        • Croco Dile

          Knowing the truth, men will be free from the dominion of error.

          • Thomas Sharp

            Truth will set you free.
            Some are so use to their chains that they choose slavery over freedom.

          • Croco Dile

            I agree with you completely !

          • Thomas Sharp

            Like pouring salt on a slug, is Truth to a liberal.

  • Croco Dile

    “We haven’t yet seen organized campaigns to force society to accept thieves.”

    Rick, you are really funny !

    Where have you been when this “$700 Billion Banker Bailout” happened ?

    This was THEFT – big-time !

    • Kolobok42

      But we don’t have thief-pride parades; no one loses their jobs for being against robbery, you don’t face jail for making the statement above, no one has your name on a list to harass for being against robbery, etc.

      • Croco Dile

        Was this theft not celebrated by members of American government all over TV ?
        Sure, there are no parades by the people to celebrate theft practiced by Big Money – there never will be.
        But where was the BIG outcry when this BIG crime happened ?
        Sure, nobody was killed by the stealers…..

        This will happen again !
        This will happen because people don’t understand Money.
        People think money is the paper in their hands. How ignorant !

  • RJR

    this is a great article, however, there is a reason the “church” is silent or worse promoting the homosexual agenda. the reason, THEY ARE REGISTERED WITH THE FRIGGIN STATE!!!! not sure if you are aware or not the only reason they register Is to get their stupid “Tax exempt” status. Period!! they are required to say what the state tells them to say. their head is no longer Jesus Christ, it is the state or federal government. so if you ever wondered why the church is so wishy washy, well now you know. here is an idea, give up the “tax exempt” status invite the Holy Spirit back in and you would probably see the so called revival we heard of coming now for 35 years. don’t believe me check it out for yourself.

    • Bob Martin

      No Church or denomination is required to do or say anything that the Government wants. We are to follow the tax code but that does not put a muzzle in our mouths.
      Those churches who do as you claim has either done so in fear or has sold their souls.
      As a minister for over 30 years, I have, as far as I know that is, never turned myself into a hypocrite or false prophet.

      • Croco Dile

        The confessions of the Prophets of Israel of the truth about their sacred profession and fellow-professionals, priests and prophets, are extremely enlightening, and have the unique merit of being the only honestly true things any of them ever said. It is like the fleeing thief’s cry of “Stop thief!” pointing to another; or the cordial mutual recriminations of Catholic and Protestant, and sect and sect, denouncing the lies and heresies of all the others – all alike false and mendacious, while each one for itself, Pharisaically, like old Elijah, says : “I, even I only, remain a prophet of Yahveh”! An acute and apposite observation is that of the historian of civilization : “It is interesting to observe the eagerness with which the clergy of one persuasion expose the artifices of those of another. By comparing their different statements, laymen gain an insight into the entire scheme.” (Buckle, History of Civilization in England, Vol. 2 Pt. 1, chap. 2)

  • Kolobok42

    I read this passage today and it gave me hope for those of us who do speak up, cry out, object, oppose ( and lose friendships with fellow “conservatives” who want us to “call a truce” on social issues). When Israel was about to enter into judgment at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar, God made sure that the good weren’t punished with the wicked:
    Ezekiel 9: 3-6
    ” Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side and said to him, ‘Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.’
    ” As I listened, he said to the others, ‘Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion….but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.’ So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.”
    I just now noticed that judgment begins with the house of God, with those who should know best of anyone.

    • Mr Richard Allan David

      God will miraculously deliver His own. True deliverance comes in the fire a la Shadrach, Meshach and Abedneggo.

      • Croco Dile

        Did you ever witness a miracle, Richard ?

  • CaptTurbo

    It’s so true. Each night the evening “news” is one shocker after the next. Last night it was the news anchors gleefully reporting that the fruits and nuts had new “victories” in that the out of control federal government was forcing the states to give the twinkies new rights. Forgive these morons Lord for they know not what they do.

    • Brenda Clark

      The thing is, these morons know exactly what they are doing.

      • CaptTurbo

        Sad but true. They know they are following an evil agenda. What they don’t realize since I doubt they are believers is that they are selling their souls to accomplish it.

  • texas57

    Great article Rick, thanks for sharing. As BG once said, If God doesn’t judge America, he’ll have to apologize to Soddom and Gomorrah !!!!

    • Croco Dile

      No Pope, Bishop or Father (except Papias and until Irenaeus), for nearly a century after “Pope Clement,” ever mentions or quotes a Gospel, or names Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. So for a century and a half – until the books bobbed up in the hands of Bishop St. Irenaeus and were tagged as “Gospels according to” this or that Apostle, there exists not a word of them in all the tiresome tomes of the Fathers. It is humanly and divinely impossible that the “Apostolic authorship” and hence “canonicity” or divine inspiration of these Sacred Four should have remained, for a century and a half, unknown and unsuspected by every Church, Father, Pope and Bishop of Christendom – if existent.

      • texas57

        Dude I’m NOT Catholic and could care less about what a “man” says, I’m going on the word of God. Pope, Father, Peter, etc….ALL men, Jesus Christ, divine redeemer from God. Have a nice life, I pray your eyes are opened before you spend eternity in Hades. Blessings to you.

        • Croco Dile

          Thank you for the wishes !
          Keep your hands clean.

    • dixie68

      WE will be judged, and it seems that judgment has begun. As there is no reference to our part of the world in Scripture, I don’t think we will be an entity when the Rapture occurs, and with the “leadership” we have now, we are on a rapid downward slope, but God says there will always be a remnant, and He will take care of us, so my duty as a believer is to lead as many to Christ as possible before that day. I am afraid that many people equate church membership to salvation.

      • Croco Dile

        Christianity is demonstrably false and therefore to pretend that it is the highest truth destroys the rational well being of the mind and opens the gates to the belief in any and all obvious falsehoods like “Rapture”. It teaches injustice, the scapegoating of another for sins, and is internally inconsistent.

        • dixie68

          According to your comments, you do not have the foggiest idea about what Christianity is.

          • Croco Dile

            The true religion is that of clean hands and pure hearts; of fact, not of faith; of good deeds, not of credulity. Revolting is the doctrine of theology that not by the doing of good and by right living, but only by credulous faith, is there profit to man or God. As we have read : “Except which a man believe faithfully and firmly he cannot be saved”! “Good works done before the grace of Christ are not pleasant to God; but they have the nature of sin”! Better far to so sin and die in such sin than live in debasing belief in such theological “confidence” stuff !

          • dixie68

            One either believes the Bible is the inspired Word of God, or he does not. As one who does believe, Ephesians 2:8, 9 tells us that we are saved by grace through faith, not of works, lest andy man should boast. Verse 10 says that we are saved to do the good works ordained by God. Therefore, there is no way to achieve a pure heart and clean hands with which to do good works for God without his saving grace through the Lord Jesus Christ. There are many other passages that say this, but this puts in a nutshell.

      • texas57

        Yep, USA isnt a player in end times, which is fastly approaching.

  • Beachtennisguy

    Well said. Hal Lindsey refers to “America’s breathtaking moral decline.” Some of us feel like we’re living at the wrong time, in the wrong state, in the wrong country, on the wrong planet. One hope is that this is what it’s supposed to feel like shortly before the Rapture.
    They say that Christians are not supposed to be escapists, but how much of this evil madness, led by the jerk in the White House, can one take?

    The next chance to turn this around is the November 2014 elections, assuming that election fraud doesn’t cancel out the votes of patriotic, God-fearing Americans.

  • ceecee

    Romans 1 is so very explanatory.

  • Linda

    I expect a campaign to legalize and force acceptance of pedophlies. That to me will be the ultimate in sin.

    • 5465vick

      Unfortunately I have read that they are already working towards their goal of legalization. We are definitely in the end days. How long they will last only God knows. We are becoming just like all of the other empires that collapsed before. Bloated, conceited, full of sin, deniers of God. You can see this in the way our economic system is slowly coming to ruins. How the dollar has been devalued, and the lack of good jobs.

  • Rick Esler

    Luke 22:36

    • Croco Dile

      The earliest date clerically claimed for “Mark” is some years after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. The great Pope Clement I (died 97 A.D.?), first-to-fourth “successor” to Pope Peter, knew nothing of his great Predecessor’s “Gospel according to Mark”; for, admits the Cath.Encyc.: “The New Testament he never quotes verbally. Sayings of Christ are now and then given, but not in the words of the Gospels. It cannot be proved, therefore, that he used any one of the Synoptic Gospels.” (Cath.Encyc. IV, 14) Of course, he did not, could not – they were not then written.

      • shelly

        I’m sorry, but I seemed to have missed your point. The Gospel of Luke was actually a letter written to Theophilus, a wealthy Roman possibly of very high status, by Luke written during the lifetime not only of Luke, but of Paul. It was the first of two letters, the second being the book of Acts. Clearly these letters were highly circulated and known to the early Christian church. Which has nothing to do with any Pope or the Gospel of Mark for that matter. All of the Bible is the Word of God given to us for our edification, whether you want to believe that or not. I hope you do, as your answer to that question affects your eternal destination. If you believe the Word of God, and it causes you to accept Jesus as your Savior and one and only way to the Father and heaven you are in good shape…if you think it’s all a bunch of nonsense, then I ask you to pray that God will reveal Himself to you. Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven and His Grace has the ability to cover anyone’s sins.

        • Croco Dile

          Ben, your position is really just an irrational surrender to the blight of theological dogma.

          The supernatural myths and superstitions of Bible and theology are no part of real religion; they have no portion in the inheritance of righteousness which exalts a man and a nation. Rather are they a degrading concept of God and his intelligence, and betray a strange contempt for the dignity of mind and common sense of men in imposing such nonsense for their belief.

          • Chet

            Sir, are you familiar with Matthew 7:6 where the Holy Bible references casting pearls before swine? Respectfully request you familiarize yourself with this gem.

          • Croco Dile

            Matthew is a fictitious character and what some people wrote under this fictitious name can’t be of any significance.
            There is nothing holy in this book. You know my position, Chet !

  • Amber

    The state of this country makes me glad that I am elderly.

    • Dave Phelps

      Me too, I do feel sorry for the youth, if they don’t turn to the God of the Holy Bible, they will live hell on earth, and the hereafter.

  • Andre Leonard

    “In his book Bork advanced the hypothesis that most Americans were blissfully ignorant of the path that the culture was on”

    America knows it’s on a slippery slope. Fact is, you cannot suck both ends of the straw. You have to stand for something.

    You would be hard pressed to explain how you can have so many churches and immorality simultaneously.

    • Chet

      Greetings Andre. In your sincere quest for truth, may I respectfully ask you to read Matthew 7:21-27 of your Holy Bible. This scripture, in my view, addresses your question. Perhaps others on this forum can offer something else but this clears it up for me. Besides, I too wonder when I see churches in some areas packed on Sunday mornings yet crime in the selfsame are seems to abound. The best account I can give refers back to Matt 7 and I let it go at that and try harder to focus on my own testimony and my own accountability to the Lord who was so merciful and good to me. None of which i deserve…

      • Andre Leonard

        Thank you for sharing Chet. I read it and agree. So many when confronted will be shocked to hear the words “I did not know you”

        Stay positive and good day.

    • dixie68

      Our churches have, for the most part, abandoned teaching the Word of God, and use “feel good” messages to get money in the coffers. Sadly, I think our seminaries have been infiltrated and taken over by the same kind of people who have ruined our public schools. It is no wonder our young people are turning their backs on the church, as they are taught nothing of substance.

      • Andre Leonard

        Dixie, you have hit the nail on the head. Sad to thin the Apostle Paul spent just about the whole New Testament delivering letters to churches back in the day. Here we are 2,000 years later, stuck with the very same problems in these churches.

        With churches today telling our kids that men lying with men is okay and pedophile priests it’s enough to turn ones stomach. I say not much has changed since Paul delivered those letters. We’re still in a race to the bottom.

        • Memphis Viking

          We have the very same problems today as the churches back then because they are filled with the very same thing, people.

          • Croco Dile

            Viking, your comment is not complete. You should write : ….. filled with….. superstitious and irrational people just believing in Myths.

  • Chet

    Outstanding piece! True, “no government of men is capable of turning men’s hearts to God”. However, everything rises and falls on leadership which is why we are where we are today. Fundamentally, we have shook our fist in the face of G-d in willfully defying his very teachings, i.e., the Sins so named. And, so far, the promoters of such continue on as nothing is to fear, all is well, in fact, they’re not just getting by, they’re indeed prospering. In saving this great homeland we seek men and women in leadership across the nation who will say as did the apostle Paul, “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ” 1 Corinthians 11:1. There’s a terriffic brand new crop of such believers in the Holy One of Israel on site today and they are surely shaking things up in the Republican party and indeed will change the course of the old-liners… And of course it would be helpful if G-d called men behind America’s pulpits would again take a stand as once was customary in the chuch and synagogues…

  • Davis

    When the Pale horse and the rider comes by no one will escape not even Obama. You had better grab your Bible now !

  • Brit Capitalist

    Rick Davis, God bless you; you are the real American that
    more than 50% of the American people relate to. The leftist homosexuals that
    fill the Hollywood snake-pit own the mainstream TV stations and if you want to
    find Sodom take a look at them. Most people have 2/3 TVs in their home and the
    children and youth are bombarded with leftist propaganda in many forms on a
    daily basis; that’s apart from the relentless back-to-back depraved movies Hollywood
    puts out. The Hollywood agenda ties in with the goals of international Marxism
    and Islamists who want to see this country destroyed; they all hate Christians
    and traditional family values. Yes, we slouched toward Gommorah and we got
    there. We are already in Sodom. We need an alternative to Hollywood. All those
    self-proclaimed “conservatives” in Hollywood, if they are serious, should pool
    their resources, set up some studios and make the kind of movies that the 50% +
    really want to see. We have to stop being merely “reactive” and get serious.

  • noah

    Good article. I am not sure God would agree with the statement that, “Sodomy is no worse than any other sin”, as the statement does not exactly meet with Biblical accuracy. Pride is the number one worst sin and that is the sin that brought about the fall of Lucifer with his pompous five “I wills” (Isaiah 14:12-14). Sodomy should be seen as the next sin, in ranking order at the bottom of the sin ladder, because it is the one that brought about the total destruction of all the souls in two cities; namely Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24). Even a lie by the harlot Rahab (Joshua 2:4) did not keep her out of the “Hall of Faith” (Hebrews 11:31). Sins are not all the same. None of them are good but some are worse than others.

    • Chet

      Amen, and the one (sodomy) is an abomination.

      • polmutant

        you mean the obamanation I suppose?

    • dixie68

      The Bible tells us that sin separates us from God. In God’s eyes, sin is sin, but man categorizes sin; however, just as parents discipline children according to their types of behavior, I believe God disciplines us the same way.

    • chuckles

      Lev 18:22 tells us that sodomy has an extra effect on the land. As a sinner, the homosexual at least can repent and remain chaste, but a land that allows sodomy within its borders risks the people being vomited out. God even warned the Jews that He threw out the Canaanites for this very reason and not to follow them or they would get the same treatment. Sexual sin, whether it be sodomy, bestiality, adultery, or fornication, all have extra consequences mentioned for repentance to be complete. Repentance from theft just entails repentance and ceasing to steal. Homosexuals must refrain, but also the land must not allow it. People that have no part of homosexual behavior risk their lives and their families lives if they allow the behavior. Romans 1:30 tells us that we don’t have to participate, but just approve of such things to be guilty of the same. Voting Dem will be counted against you if you know they support abortion murder and sodomy, even if you haven’t had an abortion and are not personally a sodomite. That doesn’t even count the fact they want God removed from the land.

      • polmutant

        not only voting, but consider obamacare or is it Americide plan? PAYING for these sins is truly asking for the sin blood on head and hands. what will be the excuse before God? the commie pink muslim Kenyan said it was law?

        • Rich2741

          I will not sign up, I will not pay. They must steal it from me.

          • polmutant

            same here. only made the statement as this obamanation law is the same as final slap in God’s face saying that the covenant of God’s blessing and security not wanted or needed by the people of the country. this is very perilous time.

    • Gail

      Sin is Sin…..! God gave us the 10 Commandments to live by and we have the 8 Beatitudes that Jesus gave us. So are we all free from sin because I am sure I have violated some of God’s law, have you?
      The Ten Commandments, given to Moses on Mount Sinai in
      the Old Testament Book of Exodus, related a series of “Thou shalt
      not” phrases, evils one must avoid in daily life on earth. God gave Moses the Ten Commandments on Mount
      Sinai to serve as principles of moral behavior for the human race. The Ten Commandments of God are the foundation of the moral code and legal system of justice for Western Christian civilization.
      Deuteronomy 5:6-21
      6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought
      thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 7
      Thou shalt have none other gods before me. 8
      Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters is in beneath the earth: 9 Thou shalt not bow down
      thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
      visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and
      fourth generation of them that hate me, 10 And showing mercy unto
      thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. 11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. 12 Keep the sabbath day to
      sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labor, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the
      sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy
      son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox,
      nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy
      gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence
      through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. 16 Honor thy father and thy
      mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be
      prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy
      God giveth thee. 17 Thou shalt not kill. 18 Neither shalt thou commit
      adultery. 19 Neither shalt thou steal. 20 Neither shalt thou bear false
      witness against thy neighbor. 21 Neither shalt thou desire thy
      neighbor’s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor’s house, his field, or
      his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is
      thy neighbor’s.
      In contrast, the message of Jesus is one of humility, charity, and brotherly love.
      He teaches transformation of the inner person. Jesus presents the Beatitudes in a positive sense, virtues in life which will ultimately lead to reward. Love
      becomes the motivation for the Christian. All of the Beatitudes have an eschatological meaning, that is, they promise us salvation – not in this world, but in the next. The Beatitudes initiate one of the main themes of Matthew’s Gospel, that the Kingdom so long awaited in the Old Testament is not of this world, but of the next, the Kingdom of Heaven. While the Beatitudes of Jesus provide a way of life that promises salvation, they also provide peace in the midst of our trials and tribulations on this earth.

      THE EIGHT BEATITUDES OF JESUS

      “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      Blessed are they who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
      Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
      Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
      for they shall be satisfied.
      Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
      Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.
      Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.
      Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
      for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”
      Gospel of St. Matthew 5:3-10

    • Barry

      Correct. Romans 1 teaches us that while all sin is bad the consequences of sin vary in degree. The sin of homosexuality has a special consequence – being turned over to a reprobate mind. In other words, moving past the point of no return where God gives up on them. This includes those who support and encourage homosexuality even if they don’t directly participate in that sin. Think about it.

  • Ann Wilson

    You hit the nail on the head there Rick. That is just the message I am trying to spread. If our Nation does not first turn from their wicked ways and back to God’s way we are in a heap of trouble and all other efforts to save our Nation are in vain.

    My grief is beyond healing, my heart is broken. Listen to the weeping of my
    people; it can be heard across the land. “The harvest is finished, and
    the summer is gone”, the people cry, “yet we are not saved!” Oh, that my eyes
    were a fountain of tears; I would weep forever! Jeremiah 8:18-19,20-21 NLT

    So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the
    Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.20 That,however, is not the way of life you learned. . .Ephesians 4:17-20

    if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2Chronicles 7:14

    • Croco Dile

      Do you REALLY want to go to “God’s way” ?

      Like this ?

      A treatise of the greatest authority, De Fide, long attributed to Augustine, but now known to be the work of Bishop St. Fulgentius (CE. VI, 317) thus states the horrid doctrine : “Be assured, and doubt not, that not only men who have attained the use of their reason, but also little children who have begun to live in their mothers’ womb and have there died, or who, having been just born, have passed away from the world without the sacrament of holy baptism, administered in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, MUST BE PUNISHED BY THE ETERNAL TORTURE OF UNDYING FIRE; for although they have committed no sin by their own will, they have nevertheless drawn with them the condemnation of original sin, by their carnal conception and nativity.”

      • Gail

        That is the doctrine of one church….not all churches believe what yhou have wrote, they teach from the “BIBLE”. So if you are a Christian and your church only teaches man made rules…leave that church and go to a church that teaches the word of God! Little Children are considered the Lambs of God!

        • Croco Dile

          Gail, you are right – the Bible is wholly human, fearfully immoral, false, and cruel for the most part, detracts naught from its immense value to mankind as a veritable treasury, not of “God’s outpourings through Moses,” but of man’s outpourings, of man’s upliftings of spirit towards righteousness, towards godliness. That it is over-full of primitive, puerile superstitions; that priests and hierarchies of priests have forged out of its crude myths a cruel, blighting system of “theology” for dominating men’s minds and souls by priestly schemes of corruption and aggrandizement, of rule and ruin, is, unhappily for mankind, all too true, as several thousand years of history and the imperfect, inadequate sketches of this book prove.

          The true religion is that of clean hands and pure hearts; of fact, not of faith; of good deeds, not of credulity. Revolting is the doctrine of theology that not by the doing of good and by right living, but only by credulous faith, is there profit to man or God.

      • Rich2741

        Croco Dile (in our midst) -

        It’s a crock as that is not from The Bible. The greatest authority is The Lord of Hosts.

        Beyond all that, it is only in knowing of The Word and rejecting it that one is damned. One can not repent if one does not know, one can not turn to the Lord if they have never heard his name or know his wishes.

        A person can only find God in a one-on-one relationship; no charter of religion can produce that. But The Bible can. The real ‘church’ was only meant to further and bind the flock of God. “For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”.

        One element of the end times is that -ALL- have heard of the one true God and made their decision. That time is very,very near. All the pieces are truly starting to interlock, yet no man shall know the day, as it will come as a thief in the night. I suspect it will come within the next 62 years and 9 months.

        • Croco Dile

          Rich, a quote for you :

          Inestimable evils, far more than from Pandora’s box, have come from this Bible because misguided, mistaught, priest-taught men have mistaken it for an inerrant book of facts of God, instead of, as it is, a book of wondrous, fallible fables of man. Once realize its fables as fables frankly, its inspiration as the genius of man’s fervent spirit groping up towards the truths of spiritual life, with its gross chaff winnowed away by the discernment of the spirit, then its “apples of gold in pictures of silver” will become more beautiful to the mind’s eye, more palatable to the spirit’s taste, more vitally nourishing to the soul’s salvation from error and superstition.

          IS IT GOD’S WORD ?

          AN EXPOSITION OF THE FABLES AND MYTHOLOGY OF THE BIBLE AND OF THE IMPOSTURES OF THEOLOGY

          by Joseph Wheless – New York 1926

          • Rich2741

            Croc -

            It’s funny, I have a 132 IQ, and as a teenager I believed as you do now (I was forced to read the entire Bible by my mother who was a zealot… she also called me ‘the devil’ and would break broomsticks across my back). But through my very superior intellect, seperation from this lunatic, and waning emotional state of youth, I came to find, many years later, the truth of the Bible actually bears out. Much is written by common men of their experience (such as the Disciples), and one can fathom how you regard these accounts without the full immersion of -knowing- the whole book, but the Old Testament is chock full of what are now provable and amazing elements in the scientific realm.

            What is directly from God’s mouth within the Bible is sparse. The Ten Commandments for one, talking to Adam and Eve, Noah, Enoch, etc, but it is clear there is a purity beyond compare in this mortal world within the book.

            Do not abide ‘religion’ per se as it is run my men, some good, many bad; abide God’s word which can only be found in The Bible. If you find a spiritual Shepard that keeps that path, he is likely good.

            Hopefully you are not an atheist (a religious position of idiocy as one can not prove a negative) or humanist, but just jaded in human pride or hubris. The latter you can recover from if you search hard enough.

          • Croco Dile

            Rich, you consciously went into a trap….. Too bad ! With your 132 you could do so much good for the people around you !

            I’m sorry for you.

          • Rich2741

            No trap, no mistake, and no coherent rebuttal from you.

            Don’t feel sorry for me; I don’t feel sorry for you… you have made your choice and I have made mine.

          • Croco Dile

            Rich, you seem to be a somewhat “different” Christian, not so stubborn, and I would like to expand my answer to you by giving you another quote :

            It is the task of every soul to accomplish that while in this human shape. You have the duty to “gain it” [knowledge]. Temperance will lead you to the rightful place from where it all starts. Before this you must know yourself and what this place is (where most people go wrong), otherwise your thoughts will be filled with error which will lead to erroneous ways.

            People who are waiting for a “saviour” on Earth to do all the work for them are all failing. I have noticed some Christians have gotten angry and are attacking me on a personal level by damning me, it is their choice.

            The Truth cannot be hidden, it wants to be known by you, inviting you every moment of your life. That is the reason why it through the ruling powers is being provided to you accompanied with perversions, corrupt additions [this is about "Holy Literature"]. To confuse and make you accept the latter. The Truth wants to be known by you, it is it´s main goal, inviting you every moment of your life, so to be understood by you it is out of necessity simple and to be noticed relating to Providence it is “in front of you”.

            Think about it !

      • Barry

        “Let the little children come to me for such is the kingdom of God” – Jesus Christ

        • Croco Dile

          One of those sayings that don’t make sense and can be interpreted like anyone wants….. by the corrupt priests.

      • Ann Wilson

        8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is
        not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

        For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.1 Corinthians 1:17

        No Other Gospel
        6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ . Galatians 1:6-7

        18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. Rev. 22:18-19

  • 5465vick

    Thanks Mr. David for a nice article. Christians can see the path we are headed down while most others are blinded by their own “joy”. The “joy” to do as they please fearing no consequences. The true joy is in loving God. Non Christian minds are being twisted in this society to believe anything goes. Even some Christians have accepted this. They vote for a man that has clearly abandoned them and has lied over and over about everything he does. Obama even claims to follow the Muslim religion yet Christians still adore him.
    I and many others I know believe that God’s judgment for America has already begun. We continue to get corrupt, greedy, criminal leaders. The true economy is faltering, and most people seem unconcerned that our leaders are lying to them and stealing from them every chance they get. Let God’s Will be done to America for America seems to have deserted God! Only God knows when our complete downfall will take place. We do know that it will be painful and very much deserved.

    • Rich2741

      Painful? That’s not the hundredth of it. Seven years and 1 day (731 days) of unfathomable terror and utter grief as the Apocalypse unfolds via the Seven Seals and the end times arrive.

      • Croco Dile

        Amid all the fearful cursings and ravings of the prophets of Yahveh calling down death and destruction upon his “Chosen People”, there is not one single mention or remotest reference again in all the Hebrew Bible to the snake story, or to the curse of Adam, or to the “fall of man,” or to the necessity or propriety of redemption from “original sin” and from the fires of hell. All the furies of the dread Yahveh, invoked by all his holy prophets, are temporal terrors; all his pains and penalties are ended with the death of his miserable victims. In the grave (sheol) they are at rest; they are never pursued into any hell fire on account of Adam’s sin or of their own.

        Whence then, comes this fearful doctrine of “original sin,” of the “fall of man,” of eternal death and damnation – of this curious and accursed “plan of salvation?” It is all a fiendish invention of the apostles and priests of the new dispensation. Hell fire and damnation are simply the genial sanction of the religion of the “gentle and loving Jesus”. But Jesus Christ never once even mentioned Adam or the pretended curse and the Fall; he never once intimated that his mission was due to the pretended talking snake scene in the Garden of Eden. More than that, not one of the four writers of the so-called gospels utters a word about Adam, or the curse, or the Fall, or of “redemption” by Jesus Christ for any sin of Adam, which is never even remotely referred to throughout their gospels.

        • perry

          peter did. he said eve was beguild,and in the greek it means wholely seduced.everybody should read 2 peter he talks about the samething we are talking about it is talking about gays ,screwing around everything

          • Croco Dile

            Perry, can you give me the exact quote and where I can find it?

  • USPatriotOne

    Unless you are brain dead, or a Commie/Muslim/NWO/Left Liberal, you know what is heading our way…and once God make his final judgement his wrath will our Nation at light speed…!!! Pray, repent, and turn back to the one true God/Jesus/Holy Spirit and you will be saved…!!!

    • Rich2741

      Actually, in a single day.

      The Tribulation: 3 1/2 years of the wrath of man
      …followed by…
      The Abomination: 3 1/2 years of the wrath of Satan
      …followed by…
      The Consummation: The -DAY- of the Lord’s wrath

  • Dave Phelps

    Heading toward sodom??? we are there already. If God does not judge America and the world soon, He will have to apologize to Sodom amd Gomorrah

    • Jill

      I saw you posted on the KRDO.com gun article about the mag ban. Thanks for doing that because they are banning conservatives.

  • Jill

    Just so know Bork did not believe that the Second Amendment was an “individual right” of the people to keep and bear arms.

    • Barry

      That may be, but this article speaks to something much more urgent and important – our cultural demise as a nation. Once that happens none of the rights in the Bill of Rights will matter anymore.

      • Jill

        Any judge that can’t understand that the Second Amendment is an individual right I have no respect for any of his opinions.

  • Annette Rose Giesbrecht

    So true. I am Canadian and America is our neighbor. What happens down there infects us up here. We see what is promoted in the movies and the tv and the pride given to those who live immoral lives. That is wrong.

  • Ben Dover

    What on earth can you expect, when twice, not once – the electorate voted for a proven
    liar and mountebank from God alone knows where, of totally hidden birth, education or any other believable personal history – the ‘Chooming’ man with the glib silver tongue – and devious cold heart of death & decay for this once great land, – which he has successfully changed into the ‘Brave New World of the U.S.S.A.’. He has also put you all on notice that he intends to ‘Rule Alone’ for the next three years and you – when being politically raped – have decided to lay back and enjoy it, along with O’Boehner and the RINO’s. There is no health in this Land. R.I.P. America…

    • USPatriotOne

      OB was never voted in…the DemoRats have perfect the Art of stealing elections…!!! When you have Counties in Ohio that have 120% turn-out and 100% of the vote going to OB…NO HE STOLE THE ELECTIONS…JUST LIKE IN CHICAGO…!!!

  • justacountryguy

    The problem is we allow ourselves to be drawn into discussions with the sodomites. They preach “tolerance” for them while not allowing any differing viewpoint. We need to quit being “tolerant” of their deviant lifestyle and realize that we don’t have any thing in common with the Homosexual Baby Killers.

  • PATRIOT.WW48

    Sodom & Gomorrah///San Francisco & New York. Hey croco, I got a Fox-Hole for ya.

  • c69101

    Wow! Well written and right on point Mr. David!

  • Jill

    It is worse than you think. This was posted by Alex Dunwall. Carlos Danger and poster smith agreed at KRDO.com. The story was about a woman breast feeding a dog. “I’m not one to judge a person for that. A person is a person, and if that
    person gets sexual enjoyment from animals, then fine, I just don’t want to be
    included in the animal sex”.

  • Oldchopper

    Are we really to love the sinner that constantly denies God and fights against Godly principles and Christians? One that has made it his/her lot in life to oppose God? Are we to forgive those that constantly sin against God without repentance? At some point God rebukes them and will harden their hearts that they may never enter the Kingdom.
    I say we are to give them the Gospel in love then our work is complete. Should they than repent, put their faith in Jesus Christ and their lives change then their work has just begun. I believe we are only to forgive those that personally attack us. Only God
    forgives those that sin against Him. Does God truly love the sinner? He is Holy and righteous and cannot look upon them in their sin. So is it not His mercy that allows the heart to be changed? God’s righteous anger may be more in line with the non repentant heart. One that voluntarily allows Satan to rule their lives. We should not hate in our hearts those that oppose God, should we just be indifferent towards them?

    • Memphis Viking

      Jesus said love your neighbor, not love your neighbors that love God. Since we have no way of knowing when God has hardened someone’s heart, we have no excuse to stop loving them.

      • http://gravatar.com/hummingharpman hummingharpman

        So, does that mean you would respond to them the same way Lot did when they came knocking on his door in Sodom demanding he send out the visitors (angels) that entered his house so that they may “know” (rape) them?!…..Or maybe you’d just throw open the door for them and say “Come on in; we loooove you!!”……Excuuuuse meeeee if this seems “hateful” but I would lock and load when my God given warrior instinct kicked in and use whatever weapons necessary and available in defense of self, family and friends present in my household…..!!

        • Memphis Viking

          Uh, no. Liberals want you to believe that loving someone means approving of everything they do, but that’s not a Biblical viewpoint.

          • http://gravatar.com/hummingharpman hummingharpman

            Thank you for the clarification MV….now I see that perhaps you are not one of the “liberals” to which you refer, but perhaps closer to the name you use here.

          • Memphis Viking

            You’re welcome. I am far from a liberal, since I believe in the inerrancy of scripture. Loving someone includes warning them about the destructive nature of their actions.

        • revere

          No, that would be the animal instinct of fight or flight.
          Induced by the more primitive part of the brain.

          • http://gravatar.com/hummingharpman hummingharpman

            The question was NOT addressed to you wussy a—hole, so why are YOU responding…Piss off!! Oooo, that must have come from that “more primitive part of the brain”!

      • futurelife

        WRONG, have you not read that God “hated” Esau? Even “hated” him while in his mom’s womb. The word you are missing is “IF”, the biggest word in ALL languages. IF you “love” God, IF you “love” Jesus and IF you “love” the Holy Spirit”.

        • Croco Dile

          Unhappy instances of human ignorance are of no importance as such, for every day we learn things which we were ignorant of the day before, and thus we grow in knowledge. But the awful significance of these instances and all their kind is that the “Word of God” is the inspired source and fountain of all this ignorance and teaches it as “revelation” of truth; and the “Church of God,” which claims to be daily taught and guided by the Spirit of Yahveh, perpetuated humanity in this ignorance under the pretense that the “Holy Ghost” advised it that all this mass of ignorance was the very truth of God, to doubt or deny which meant the terror of ecclesiastical curses and prison and rack and stake.

      • Winston

        Love keeps us from doing evil things. Once we stop loving, evil thoughts begin to nest. That is why loving our neighbor is so important. Otherwise imagine what we would do if we just let hate fester. . . . we’d be like the muslims.

    • Rich2741

      You are 100% correct.

      God is wrathful -and- God is loving. The Bible consists of -both- the Old and New Testaments. God and his commandments have not changed, for the Lord of Hosts is perfection.

      The free will God has given us allows us to obey or disobey. The choice and consequences are on us. Other than Jesus the Christ, there has only been one man to escape death; Enoch (Great-grandfather of Noah), for he was so devoted to God that God took him in his 365th year (in 3017 BC), and he did not die. I can tell you we live in a perverted and evil world, and many, many will truly perish in their iniquity.

      • Memphis Viking

        Jesus didn’t escape death, He returned from it. And Elijah was also taken directly to heaven without dying.

        • Croco Dile

          The word “prophet,” as a name for these nomadic conjurers and fortune-tellers, is a late Biblical term; they were originally called – just as the fortune-tellers and trance-mediums of to-day describe themselves in their advertisements – “seers”; people who “see things” in their imaginations, or pretend for pay to see them.

        • Rich2741

          MV -

          You and your first sentence is correct; more correct then the words I used. It was not meant in a negative/weakening form or the way your received it (my error). Jesus the Christ indeed did not “escape” death (‘to be no more’); it was a incomprehensibly long and painful death; a unmatched sacrifice of life for all mankind from the Father through his only begotten son.

          As far as Elijah goes, I understand what you are saying, and in a great sense I agree, but the disappearance of Elijah in a Whirlwind being lifted up unto Heaven (so as not to disqualify Elijah in the sight of the people) after ‘running’ all over the place is not quite the same as the strength of the words saying “Enoch walked with God, and he took him and he did not die.(a translation from wording such as “he should not see death; and was not found, because God translated him”). Do you see what I mean? Only one is indisputable in clarity. [This is where true scholars of the original texts (the source) come in and 'try' to be as accurate as possible in translation]

          So I agree in one sense, but I also have doubts (simply because of the wording and events path).

          I welcome your comments.

      • perry

        Elijah he went up to heaven in a whirlwind,in a chariot of fire and horses of fire. he didn’t die.2 kings ch 2 v11.some think him and enoch or moses will be the 2 witnesses,in rev

        • Croco Dile

          The prophets, as described by Inspiration, were a precious set of lazy and worthless vagabonds of Israel, the exact counterpart of the howling dervishes and divination-mongers of their cousin Ishmaelites.
          The job of a prophet was a free-for-all occupation, which any one who pretended to feel the divine afflatus, or was a fluent liar, could take up at will and without license. The prophet Amos frankly states his own case, which was typical and has passed into a proverb : “I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet’s son; but I was an herdsman; … and Yahveh took me as I followed the flock, and Yahveh said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel” (Amos VII,14,15). Elisha, the baldpate, was a farmer, who when Elijah passed by, dropped his plough and ran after him, and became a prophet too. After this manner are many modern “divines” self-”called.”
          Jeremiah describes their single qualification : “Every man that is mad [ish meshuggah], and maketh himself a prophet” (Jer. XXIX,26). Hosea also declares the same truth : “The prophet is a fool, the man that hath the spirit is mad [meshuggah]” (Hos. IX,7). Elisha is called “this mad fellow [meshuggah]” (2 Kings IX,11). A thousand instances prove the truth of these candid admissions that the prophets were a rabble of frenzied fakirs.

        • Rich2741

          As far as Elijah goes, I understand what you are saying, and in a great sense I agree, but the disappearance of Elijah in a Whirlwind being lifted up unto Heaven (so as not to disqualify Elijah in the sight of the people) after ‘running’ all over the place is not quite the same as the strength of the words saying “Enoch walked with God, and he took him and he did not die.(a translation from wording such as “he should not see death; and was not found, because God translated him”). Do you see what I mean? Only one is indisputable in clarity. [This is where true scholars of the original texts (the source) come in and 'try' to be as accurate as possible in translation]

          So I agree in one sense, but I also have doubts (simply because of the wording and events path) that they might be the exact same thing.

    • Barry

      Romans chapter 1 says about homosexuals and those who support them, that He gave them over to a reprobate mind. This means He washed His hands of them because they are past the point of no return. Of course, SOME homosexuals do repent and come to Christ and are changed, but the majority who are activist and unrepentant will not be saved.

      • Revere

        “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”
        J.C.

        • Rich2741

          Revere -

          Read the words you wrote, and think.

          What Barry wrote is 100% correct.

  • Legalcld

    As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man………So it is written………

  • lisarichards124

    Thank you Rick David for a 100% truthful piece! America has turned into Sodom and Gomorrah and baby sacrifice is abortion and saying it is okay is saying murder is liberation for those who do it. Saying homosexuals have rights to marry says we don’t need to be the way God created us, just be whatever turns you on. And now we see pedophiles are being given a free pass by saying what they do is a sex life-style.

    Yes, we love the sinner, but we cannot love or accept the sin no matter what or we see what we are seeing: our country and culture destroyed.

    If someone constantly denies God and sins, we cannot change them, they have to want to repent and change and not continue what they do. But we should never give them a free pass to do and accept what they do by saying it is loving the person. If we love people we will not accept things God says not to accept

    • Rich2741

      We can only ‘love’ the sinner if he/she is in genuine repentance and turns away from his/her sin.

      • lisarichards124

        I agree Rich. Some people truly want to change, but some do not and reject God even as God constantly give chances. But if you reject God’s chances at every turn then you will be punished by your own deeds, acts, etc. The wages of sin is death: It could be that you catch a disease or you become criminally violent and that leads to death row, or your actions get you murdered or you die alone and separated form God, which is the worst thing, but its a choice. And choosing to do anything, say anything goes, saying every life-style should be accepted and tolerated leads to death and destruction and just look at America and drug overdoses while many want drugs legalized, rape and incest and many think homosexuality cannot lead to pedophilia and legalizing same-sex marriage won’t lead to legalizing polygamy and pedophelia. The problem is, it does and look where we are.

        • Rich2741

          So true, and our present state of being is so sad.

  • Winston

    The key statement in the article is “Loving the sinner does not mean accepting and honoring the sin”. But the government and courts are FORCING godly men and women and churches to do business with homosexuals, to make wedding cakes for same-sex marriages, perform same-sex marriage ceremonies, etc.. but if those godly people yield to such demands they are slapping God in the face. There’s nothing wrong in going to jail or shutting down a business or closing the church doors for standing firmly planted in God’s Word and directives for believers. Even Jesus told his disciples to “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Read Luke 22:36-38
    Folks, Marxists have taken control of America and they are doing all they can (and are being successful at it) to destroy our unalieanble rights of speech, liberty, justice, freedom, and freedom of worship.

  • story

    Not gonna get a godly leader from this administration…unless a great transformation occurs. Actions speak louder than words. Claiming to be godly does not make it so. Our nation has been blessed for many years. Now we turn our backs on our creator, elect leaders who spit in God’s face, say what’s wrong is right and what’s right is wrong, idolize celebrities who thumb their noses at God and worse… It is not a good or a safe path that our country is on. A majority of Americans have spoken, electing a leader who lights a path of destruction not once but twice. The price will be heavy.

  • trugrits

    People for the most part it seems just want to be able to do what they want and get paid for their vote. The politicians know how to get votes. By buying them.
    What is happening today in this country was said over 200 years ago that it would happen. People are slaves to their government.

  • R. Shackelford

    In which translation of the Bible, do you find the term, “puffed up”? Just curious.

    • Chet

      1 Timothy 3:6 KJV, Holy Bible

      • R. Shackelford

        Hmm, doesn’t say anything like that in my KJV Bible. Oh well. Just thought “puffed up” sounded like a very modern interpretation.

        • frawgeyz

          The exact word “puffed up” is found in I Corinthians 4:6 the word pride in ITimothy 3:6.

      • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

        Chet, 1 Timothy 3:6 says:

        “Not a novice, lest being LIFTED UP with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.”

        I believe you will find it is Written in KJV, KJV1611, MKJV and YLT (Young’s Literal Translation 1898) in 1 Corinthians 4:6:

        “And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you BE PUFFED UP for one against another.
        For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?” [1 Corinthians 4:6-7]

        “PUFFED UP” is described in the Greek as phusioō (foo-see-o’-o)

        From G5449 in the primary sense of blowing; to inflate, that is, (figuratively) make proud (haughty): – puff up.

        Something we can ALL TAKE NOTE AND BENEFIT FROM…..the Diciple is no greater than the Master. Everything we need is in Genesis 1:1-Revelations 22:21—”The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.”

        Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

  • robertdavidhummel

    Words are PLENTIFUL….DEEDS are PRICELESS.

    “Obama’s WORDS”,… though POLITICALLY CORRECT…are GROSSLY INDECENT and BIBICALLY … INCORRECT… PERIOD.

    And, now what do I/we do now.

    PRAY’… On bended knee, We are taller than
    trees….PRAY for Our Great Nations RECOVERY from the existing Liberal,
    Socialist, Marxist, and somewhat Muslim, IMPACTon Our still FREE NATION, and
    That We might Praise and Thank Our Creator, for This Gift We Call, “”l
    America”.

    FLY, OUR COLORS, VOICE OUR CONSERNS, PARTICIPATE
    in “NONE” VIOLENT “, PRESENTATIONS to Our GOVERNMENTAL… Elected Leaders, eg, … The present; POTUS, his Administrative CZARS, and The DEMOCRATIC led SENATE, and BY ALL MEANS, “VOTE”, …Our CONSCIENCE,… for those that PURPORT..to return To Our Nations CHRISTIAN FOUNDATION,…Prayerfully Prescribed by Our Fore,and FOUNDING FATHERS Measures, in the form of, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and The Declaration of Independence.
    …PERIOD

    “Obama’s DEEDS”, by Speech, Letter, Decree, Executive Order, and … his FAILED LEADERSHIP, promulgated by his Administrative CZAR’s, AND The Democratic Senate, “IS a CLEAR and PRESENT DANGER”…To Our Great Nation …PERIOD.

    We The People’s REVOLUTION is The SOLUTION…PERIOD.

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    May God continue to BLESS OUR AMERICA.

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    • Winston

      I don’t believe we can take it back without blood. The tentacles are too deep into all levels of government in the USA, state, federal and local including school boards, labor unions, the entire political structure is a pulsating cancerous tumor. Don’t think for a minute voting is the answer to our problems. Don’t make me laugh!

      • SkySoldier

        You should join “Oath Keepers” at http://www.oathkeepers.org

      • MeganColorado

        If you do a google on the visions of George Washington, you are probably right. God will use the wicked to clean the wicked from America. It doesn’t sound good–they will not be happy times ahead.

  • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

    I did not know that Obama has forced the churches to hire gays.
    WHEN did he do this, or was it a court case?
    ANSWER PLEASE, I want to know.

    • Winston

      I don’t recall that he mandated any such requirement. These social aberrations are right within the customary denominational churches as they have been infiltrated by the communists a very long time ago via the National Council of Churches and the International Council of Churches. Do you really think the illuminati would allow this group to be overlooked? Their master plan requires the complete elimination of Christianity. You know how else you can know that Jesus is the real deal? He is the only God that the left has no tolerance for because they do know that He/Trinity are the only true God in eternity. Remember Judaism and Christianity do worship the same Father so both faiths are hated equally. The persecutions has already begun.

      • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

        They have begun, indeed.

        • Winston

          You may wish to read a very slim book entitled “Communist Infiltration of American Churches 1887-2012 (World Council of Churches National Council of Churches) by Christine Meinsen. It’s only 50-60 pp long, more of a pamphlet but very eye opening.

          • SkySoldier

            If you are a observer with the gift of discerning spirits and spiritual discernment, the infiltrators (or were they brainwashed in their seminary education?) are easy to pick out: Joel Osteen, RIck Warren, Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis, Brian McLaren, and others. Red-letter Christians champion “social justice,” the cause of illegal immigrants, environmentalism, high taxes, discrimination issues, socialized medicine, and getting rid of the death penalty, and Chrislam. They are first to stand in line to play the “blame America” game. And they support Barack Hussein Obama. These people only criticize the U.S. and Israel in its human rights critiques, while remaining largely silent about monstrous regimes. They focus on America’s supposed mistreatment of Indians, about slavery, and the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. But they will never talk about the Holocaust.” You will also note they don’t talk about the butchery of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, or Kim Jong IL.

          • frawgeyz

            Excellent post sky and very good examples of some widely known infiltrators. Yet some are not as easy and these are most deadly to God’s own. Some sound very good and we are warned of these that if possible could “fool even the elite”. These are those most dangerous to those not measuring their doctrine by the word of God. Their is a certain bee called the African Cape Town Bee who invades a hive by actually taking on the characteristics of the hive they wish to invade. It is called Aggressive mimicry. Once they are in, fooling the rightful owners of the hive they kill and take over. I find this incredulous and a good analogy of those imposters we are warned of.
            Here is the real danger. It is imperative to know the written word of God and to draw nigh into the Word of God.Jn1:14 . The standard to raise up against the enemy is the cross .Isa. 59″19
            The Spirit of the Lord shall raise up this standard against the enemy. (Isa. 59:19
            God Bless you and keep you safe.

      • SkySoldier

        True, Winston, but there will be a chosen “remnant” even after the rapture of the true Church soon. (By the way, I am a “Winston” too.)

        • Jane18

          SkySoldier, HIS remnant(or at least some) are already here, trying to do the work HE wants done. Forget that rapture lie, and read 2Thessalonians 2nd chapter. We are not going anywhere, when Jesus comes back to Earth at His 2nd Advent, it will be after the lying antichrist has been here. Plus, Jesus is staying here…forever.

        • MeganColorado

          The rapture does not happen until the very end. We will not be caught up and spared from all the destruction that is coming.

    • MeganColorado

      They are working on it. They are going to call it a hate crime to speak out against these things publicly. So, if you believe homosexuality is a sin, your churches will no longer be able to teach this doctrine.

      • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

        They can’t stop the churches from preaching that, but they can take away the churches’ tax exempt status. That’s good actually, that way the IRS can’t swoop down and threaten them.
        Less money, but more freedom of speech

        • MeganColorado

          I disagree. I think they are going to follow suit with what has been happening in Europe. In some countries, it is now considered a “hate crime” to speak out against homosexuality.

          • Tina

            If they try that crap, you and I are going to have to fight like hell to preserveour 1st Amendment right, what’s left of it.

  • Susan

    Imagine a “Justice” (virtue) System——based on the …..”laws of nature and nature’s God” no less—-which elevates Vice and unnatural, irrational behaviors?

    Justice Marshall stated that when Laws cease to be Just (virtuous), they cease to be Law. It was reiterated at the Nuremberg Trials and by MLK, Jr.

    Our “supreme” court has thrown out Virtue from the “Justice” system—so we now have “Rule of Man” (arbitrary irrational laws) and no longer are based on “Rule of Law” (Higher Law). What they have done is fundamentally unconstitutional and vile—by promoting Vice in our “Justice” system based on Natural Law Theory and Christian Ethics.

    They are flipping Good and Evil—-from even the Ancient Greeks time. As Freud admitted himself, when morality is removed from the powerful “sex act”, it will collapse civil society. Immorality destroys children—kills them or warps their perceptions of good and evil so they are immoral, addicts of the Flesh/drugs.

  • Mys77

    Have you watched some of the Billy Graham revivals from the 70′s? What the nation was going through then, and now it is even 100 times worse. It digusts me, as it must hurt our Lord and Savior, that this blessed nation is more of cess pool of sin and vileness, than a beacon of hope and salvation. As a Christian, I can’t help but feel like I have failed my Lord, for being lazy and complacent, not a disciple of Christ, but living idly by while my neighbors were slipping into the world of deceit and living for the flesh. I am now asking what can I do to bring our nation too our knees in repentence. It starts with me. I suggest others do the same soul searching.

    • Winston

      Our sins have reached heaven and our judgment will be equal to the task. Get yourself right with the Lord so that you won’t have to suffer God’s wrath.

      • OleDad48

        I agree, Winston. “Take up your cross daily, deny yourself, and follow Me” Jesus said.
        My fear is that, as we approach the End Times (fulfilled prophecies are everywhere from world v. Israel to worldwide communications to worldwide government to nuclear weapons – “a third of the earth burned up”), something has to happen to Israel’s greatest ally. And we are it. Israel stands alone against a united world in the end (when Jesus returns in power).

        Sadly, unless right-thinking Americans can pull us back from the brink of Leftist propaganda and power, we are doomed. Destroyed from within. Only God can save us, and He may have already given us up (Romans 1), leaving us to our own “wisdom.”

        • Winston

          Perhaps the Father has decided this is the right time. Perhaps the full mystery of iniquity will be fulfilled within a few short years. It may not be God’s plan for America to be pulled back from evil. It appears to me that we have no way out of this, OleDad48, and I’ve given this significant thought and continue to do so, not to mention the extensive historical and biblical research that supports my conclusions.

          • SkySoldier

            Something cataclysmic will happen in the world affecting everyone between April 15, 2014 and September 23, 2015. The history of the “Blood Moons” following the Jewish calendar reveals it to be so. Each time in history where there have been Blood Moons on Passover and Sukkot tragedy has occurred. God does send a strong message to the world through His signs and wonders.

          • OleDad48

            The bottom line for us is to pray and “gird up our loins” for spiritual battle. If this is the time, if collapse is on the way, it will be a great opportunity to speak words of real hope and peace. After 75 years of Communism and 25 years of economic chaos in the former Soviet Union, churches are growing at a record pace. People are hungry for Truth, and find it in Christ. Did you see the news bulletin about Muslims coming to faith in Christ after “meeting Issa in their dreams”? I personally know of Muslims-now-Christians in Turkey, Kyrgyzstan, and Egypt having such dreams over the past ten years. God is at work, even as the world openly rejects Him and His.

          • perry

            today on the news they said that christians were being persecuted all over the world ,and they wanted the UN to step in .the bible talks about if you believe in Christ you would be punished for it and beheaded and which countries do beheadings ,its muslim countries.russia will side with iran and some of the others and maybe china.just remember when Christ comes back you will be changed in to your sprit body,when the antichrist comes you will be in your earthly body.2 thes ch2,v3
            says let no man deceive you for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition.(anti christ)

      • J.J

        God’s impotant rage will be apparent soon enough.

        • Winston

          Hopefully we will be caught up with Jesus Christ before his wrath is on display. I am counting on being on the “right” side of the Lord when all things goes down. I am doing my best.

          • MeganColorado

            If you honestly believe you won’t have to suffer through any of the last day destruction, pestilence, and plagues, you are selectively reading the scriptures. No one is caught up to meet the Savior until the bloody battle has been in full swing. He comes at the end–not the beginning of the destruction.

          • Chubby Freen

            True.

          • Rich2741

            This is true MC.

            The Tribulation: 3.5 years of the wrath of man (Seals 1-5)
            The Abomination: 3.5 years of the wrath of Satan (Seal 6)
            The Consummation: the -day- of the Lord’s wrath (Seal 7)

            The Seven Seals broken (proofs revealed) results in the Seven Trumpets (horns) sounded, which results in the Seven Bowls (vials) poured.

            My understanding is that It is in the final day of the Lord that the rapture occurs.

            Personally, I believe that it is for the 144,000 of the 12 tribes (12,000 each) of Israel that this applies to (mark upon the heads). Some believe it is the Fifth Seal, where it speaks of recognition of the faithful slain supporting the house of God.

            I also believe this will come to pass between 55 and 62 years from now.

          • Rich2741

            …as long as it is through genuine love for him for his greatness, and not via attrition.

        • Chubby Freen

          JJ, PLEASE pull your head out and back into the sunshine, before oxygen starvation damages your brain any further. And take a course in spelling…

  • J.J

    Freedom also means being free from the tyranny of your God.

    • lara

      fredom also means have some morals..

    • Jane18

      Hey J.J, no problem, if you don’t want HIM in your life, maybe HE won’t be. Of course, you could be like Paul, and get knocked down on the road to…

    • MeganColorado

      And God absolutely gave you that–freedom to not worship or believe in Him. That is one of the beauties of what Jesus Christ taught. Your free agency is the most important gift that you have ever been given. The commandments were not given because God demands you follow Him, they were given as a guide because God knew what choices will ultimately bring pain and suffering. Those who choose to follow Him (commandment #1), will be led by His Spirit and helped through the difficulties of this life. Or, you can do it on your own–the choice is yours. This life is a test–to see what our true heart’s desires would be. This is your turn on earth–you decide. Your decisions will reflect the kind of person that you are. This life was designed to see who would be permitted in Heaven without turning the place into Hell. Another great beauty of this plan is that you will ultimately end up in a place where you are most comfortable–where you will be most happy. If you can not be happy with God now, you won’t be happy in his presence later either. Hell is not a place–it is a state of mind. Coming to the realization of what we are and what we could have become with God’s help.

    • Chubby Freen

      Aah! A Marilyn Manson fan…

    • Frederikahere

      What tyranny?

  • kbond57

    If you understand the God of the Bible you know that He is not capable of tyranny. He is without sin or malice toward His own creation. We are His in the since that He created us. As such we have to realize that He did so for a specific purpose. He wants first and foremost a relationship with us. He is not interested in bullying us or condenming us. He only wants to be a loving Father who has our very best interest at heart. His word tells us that that is not condoning the kinds of behaviors that we are so often fond of participating in such as; sodomy, the killing of unborn babies; the total disrespecting of others and their opinions or lifestyles when they don’t agree with us. Even when they don’t agree with Him He still loves us. He does not condone that behavior but He still continues to loves us. He loves us so much that He has warned us very clearly what the consequences of such behavior will be. What could be more fair and loving? Tyranny is a word that those who are involved in rebellion against Him would use but He is not capable of such.

  • Claude M. Dionne

    Sorry, I just lost my text! To sum it up, Islam can NEVER measure up to Christianity, first, and then Judaism, second! Allah is a ‘god’, but Jesus-Christ is ‘GOD’!

    • larrygrant876

      Satan who appears as an angel of light is allah.

  • AirFrank

    Amen brother.

  • awkingsley

    The basis of abortion is fornication, and the target needs to be fornication. People who are trying to change the morality of our nation need to be starting at the origin, which is personal honor, ethical conduct, and a chaste life style.

    So far, Republicans have not offered an acceptable alternative to the Democrats, offering very much the same. Santorum went so far Pro LIfe as to take an insane Prolonging Death stance – in order to cover his flawed character. A lobbyist who spent his time in the Senate organizing K-Street instead of representing the interests and issues of the State of Pennsylvania, Santorum had to leave the presidential race in 2012 to avoid the embarrassment of losing his home state. He promised to maintain a residence in the State of Pennsylvania, but didn’t. He called Ron Paul, the known most honest politician in Washington, a liar during the debates. Republicans will latch on to any politician who loudly promotes Christianity or Pro Life to cover his flaws, which makes me believe the Anti-Christ will be hiding behind the same banner. Republicans need to understand that no lobbyist has ever been elected to the presidency because the public perceives them to be unethical, which is a correct perception.

    This is the way to check out a candidate. Put a key word search into a web crawler like Ask.com: John Doe + expose and another on John Doe + crime, in order to find out the negatives regarding your candidate. There is one caveat here: When you find the dirt on the candidate make sure it actually matches the candidate’s stance on issues. There are lunatic misrepresentations on the web. A case in point is calling Free Masonry a New World Order Globalist (Illuminati) organization, then connecting Ron Paul to Free Masonry. Ron Paul’s stance on issues for his entire career has been exactly the opposite of the New World Order Globalists who have to have a Socialist Police State to maintain control over the Middle Class. The New World Order Globalists have destruction of Middle Class wealth and freedom on their agenda. It is so much easier to control poverty stricken people. This means either that claims about Free Masonry being a New World Order organization are bogus, or claims that Ron Paul is a Free Mason are bogus. In this case both claims are irresponsible. There is some reason to suspect that people making these claims are either Communists or have New World Order Globalist affiliations themselves.

    • MeganColorado

      Anyone could have done a google on Romney and found that he was clean as well. The problem is that the Republicans fail to see they have many, many shortcomings of their own. Bigotry was evident in the 25% who said they would never vote for a Mormon–claiming them to not be “Christian.” I will vote for Rand Paul if he runs in the next election, but I honestly believe that Romney’s talents and resume were better suited for the job than either of the Pauls. If this country is not put back in fiscal order, we’re done. Period.

      • awkingsley

        You and I agree on Rand Paul for president, but don’t ever sell those guys short. They are both formidable intellects, and they have studied fiscal and economic policy all of their lives. I have a financial background, so I watch those things; and Romney’s voting record was in direct opposition to sound fiscal and financial policy.

        Romney was a self confessed New World Order Globalist. New World Order Globalists must rely on a Socialist Police State to keep control of the disenfranchised Middle Class. Romney also had a very poor voting record, and his flip flopping was lying by any other name. Many of those who didn’t vote were Libertarian-Republicans who couldn’t see a clear choice between the candidates. We saw a Bush rerun or worse, opposing Obama. We knew Republicans would fight Obama, but not a Republican who was doing the same thing. That was a major reason to not vote. I voted down ballot races Republican, but did a write-in for president, even though my state does not count write-ins. In the case of a recount, I didn’t want anyone to decide on their own that I intended to vote for Romney, since I voted Republican on the down ballot races.

        As to Romney’s resume, Bain Capital wasn’t exactly doing turnarounds. It was more like a slice, dice, and cr_p. Romney inherited his father’s political pull, and he had the clout to get the loans that others at Bain Capital did not have.

        The only 2 guys in the race with any character were Ron Paul and Rick Perry, and of course poor Rick loses it when he has to debate.

        • MeganColorado

          Romney was not a self confessed New World Order Globalist. It runs totally counter to his LDS faith. Mormons believe that the constitution of this country was inspired by God. If you knew anything about Mormons (other than some people claiming them not to be Christians), you would know that the Mormons feel they have a sacred responsibility to protect the constitution of this country–something that they will be held accountable by God for–the warning is in the Book of Mormon. The guy was a bishop and a stake president. He did not attain these positions in the church and not understand the great importance and warnings of not defending the constitution. While Romney’s father was involved in politics, this connection really didn’t help Romney in his own political realm. Romney Senior’s influence didn’t translate into influence for Romney Junior in Massachusetts. Romney graduated from Harvard with a double degree in Law and Business–pursuing both at the same time. This has hardly been accomplished by anyone but Romney. The guy is no dummy and has his very own accomplishments that have nothing to do with his father’s influence in his success. Romney donated his inheritance to charities. And you are cherry picking information regarding Bain Capital. I have respect for both Ron and Rand Paul, but Romney would still serve our country better.

          • awkingsley

            I’m sorry to tell you this, but Romney actually is a self-confessed Globalist. I saw the direct quote somewhere in the process of the last election. Also, his politics and stance on issues is a Globalist stance. The Iraq invasion and the promoted invasions of Iran and Syria are New World Order Globalist prerogatives. Romney was pro an unprovoked attack on Iran.

            Watch the issues and candidates John McCain supports. That is your best clue as to what and who are the New World Order Globalists. I have no problem with Romney’s Mormon faith; I do have a problem with his politics and his ethics.

            Romney and the Pauls hold completely opposite views on just about everything. Here are a few links to articles relating to Romney’s Globalist stance.

            http://gulagbound.com/26242/romney-evidence-globalism-population-control-abortion-tsongas-vote-lies/

            http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2012/01/mitt-romney-and-globalism/

            http://www.prisonplanet.com/romneys-foreign-policy-advisers-exposed-as-globalists.html

          • MeganColorado

            You are confusing the terms of “Globalist” with “The New World Order.” They are not the same. Romney believes we are currently operating under a “global economy.” And, we are. This is not going to change. He is not a supporter of the New World Order agenda. These are two very different things. Operating in a “global economy” has it’s benefits for all countries if all countries are consumers. China did something most business men and economists didn’t see coming. Instead of increasing the wages for their workers so that they would have purchasing power, they held them flat so that corporations would garner the wealth. The corporations were far too greedy. Now, they are holding on to lots of wealth, but they have no customers–which is what keeps the economy moving. They did not apply the lessons learned from Ford. If you pay your workers a decent salary, you will increase the standard of living for everyone, and in the end, you will make more of a profit because you will have more consumers. As for Romney’s position on Iran, you need to remember that he and Netanyahu (spelling is undoubtedly incorrect) were friends in college and have remained friends since. Romney would have been privy to information from Israel’s Secret Service–some of the best in the world. I believe that is why Romney made the comment that Russia was our biggest Geopolitical adversary and was then laughed at. Romney likely had access to some of the Israeli Intelligence information. Lastly, if you noticed, Paul went after everybody in the primaries but Romney–this includes Rick Perry. Paul had little respect for Perry.

          • awkingsley

            “He is not a supporter of the New World Order agenda.”

            Romney attended Bilderberg, and again his backing and supporters are primarily New World Order, which was stated in some of the prior links I provided.

            “Instead of increasing the wages for their workers so that they would have purchasing power, they held them flat so that corporations would garner the wealth. The corporations were far too greedy.”

            China has increased wages for workers. I found several articles that indicate this fact.
            http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324767004578488233119290670

            “Romney would have been privy to information from Israel’s Secret Service–some of the best in the world. I believe that is why Romney made the comment that Russia was our biggest Geopolitical adversary and was then laughed at.”

            The Middle East situation is an open book for those who study it. No backroom information from the Mossad would provide anything we do not already know. Russia’s last hold in the Middle East is an alliance with Syria. Syria and Iran are allies. China is Iran’s ally. Russia and China are allies. Who is our biggest Geo-political adversary? China of course, unless you count ourselves as our own worst enemies. Does this explain why people laughed at Romney?

            The U.S. game and the New World Order Globalist game in the Middle East is to control a corridor beginning with Israel and moving through Lebanon (How many times has Israel attacked Lebanon?), Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. Are those the nations we have attacked and keep wanting to attack? Yes! Our CIA is constantly creating rebellions and unrest in these Middle East nations, as well as in Ukraine. For some history, the Shah of Iran was pro Israel and pro U.S., but our CIA managed the coup that took him down in 1979. The Shah thought he was fighting Communists, and we thought we were fighting Communists here at home, but our CIA was instigating a Communist revolution in Iran. Most of the rebels and regimes we are backing in the Middle East are Radical Muslim regimes.

            If you will pardon me, you seem to be ignoring all of the warning signs about Romney and the other RINOs, almost all of whom are backing the New World Order. In order to create and maintain a New World Order that wipes out Middle Class wealth, Police States must be put into place in every nation. The Middle Class is too difficult to control when they are armed and have a lot of wealth concentrated in their segment of the population.

  • Kathy W

    I love that women are treated better today but when I see a feminist now, I picture her with a sword in hand complete with bloody skewered male genitals and babies. I picture Kali, the Indian goddess with skulls hung around her neck.

    • Rich2741

      Essentially man-haters; not pro-femininity. Feminism is just as much a mental disease as homosexuality. Both genders are to be treated fairly and equally, both respected or negated to the ability of their minds and countenance. The contrast of the sexes is the genders differ in mindset and physical composition to attract the other and continue life. Females are to be the light ‘fairer’ sex (femininity), and males are to be the dark ‘harsher’ sex (masculinity). Females lack/seek what males have; males lack/seek what females have. The two sides, in proper balance, compliment and control each other; soften and strengthen each other. The equilibrium of their combined natures makes for a beautiful union. If either sex ‘bucks’ this basic formula, things will go wrong and radical results will follow. Men are not to wear lipstick and attempt to suckle babies and women are not to be battlefield beserkers with bayonet drawn.

      • Kathy W

        I agree. Homosexuality will always boggle my mind, as heterosexuality is such a strong force that it makes us loose our minds when we hit our teens. That is why we spend all our married lives trying to figure out how the other spouse works. We don’t know the other side but trust helps us to accept and go along with that other side, knowing they might have our blind-spots and weaknessesw covered.

        • Rich2741

          Well said Kathy.

          Homosexuality is the mental disease of sexual perversion (it has nothing to do with ‘love’ or genetics; it is the conscious choice of the degenerate mind). Not only is it against nature, science, society, and God, it is a great danger to life itself (the family unit and deadly disease). The lying that goes on to keep/protect/further it is disgraceful and wrong, if not evil. Even from the slant of a 5-year old with minimal discerning thought, plugs can not mate with plugs, sockets do not connect to sockets. Yes, it does indeed boggle the rational mind.

          And the two shall remain different in the smallest things, yet merge. There is no such thing as the color/shade “gray” on its own, yet we ‘see’ it plain as day; try looking at it under a microscope (beyond the power of the common eye) and you will see that it is comprised of separate little black and white dots. It is all about ‘depth of vision’ that allows us to grow and be knowing (and on the literal side, 80% of what we learn comes to us through our eyes). It is depth of vision that allows us to shrink the fat fuzzy gray line of doubt (jumbled black and white dots) down to one that is razor thin in dividing right from wrong (coherent alignment and division of the black and white dots to each side). Wisdom is all about the depth of vision we are capable of applying to experiences and knowledge. Just as a parent should guide and mold a child (a unknowing inexperienced youth), we also must continue to guide and mold our own minds to keep on track to what we can be, what we should ascend to, what was meant for us to do. Unfortunately, most are lazy, shallow, and prone to wandering; wisdom is in short supply. We are doomed if we don’t change that factor. I’d give it another 55 years at a minimum, and 62 years at most before the end. By that time we’ll either be so infused in inequity unto madness, or so rabid in technology as to be soulless, or under all-out physical attack by the forces of evil, that the end will come. I could be mistaken, and I hope I am, but I don’t think so.

          • Kathy W

            Yes, Paul said it was “confusion.” According to military geniuses, a society that is not orderly and is prone to confusion is easily conquered. “The double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.”

          • Rich2741

            Simple, solid, to the point truth. Well said.

            …Maybe I go on too long in prose? (But not this time! HAHAHA!)

          • Kathy W

            Not at all. You put into words what I can only intuit and am unable to express. You are certainly gifted.

          • lisarichards124

            True. Why would federal government even legalize pot? Think about it: A stoned, doped society is easy to communize, easy to control, because stoned people are too doped to fight back. Is that a conspiracy theory, no, it’s proven fact that you can control a dope-head, you can overcome them. Now get all society stoned–legally stoned–and we can control the masses.

            And we wonder why God said to meditate on His word daily? To keep ourselves alert, to keep ourselves from going astray, from giving into sin because we are sinners and God is trying to guide us.

        • lisarichards124

          Those who say people are born homosexual are wrong. God did not create that, He created us man and woman and that is how we are to live. Not man and man or women and women. God never told Adam and Eve go do it with the animals if it makes you feel good, or your children and so on. He said don’t do those things. So its a choice and to give in will cause mental addiction and cause so much wrong to happen. Pedophilia is one and that is so Satanic, but it comes from giving into things God said don’t do because everything He warns against leads to death.

          True about teens, and look what this society is telling our teens: experiment sexually. Society has been doing that for decades and now we have a huge “Gay Movement” that is telling us people are born that way and its OK to experiment. In that case why don’t we all experiment by sacrificing children when we feel too frazzled by motherhood. Why not legalize child sacrifice and say hey, it’s a way to free up the moms from stress. But the left reading this will go nuts even though that’s no different than abortion–it’s all sacrifice. But homosexuality is sacrificing your body to debase sex

      • lisarichards124

        Have you seen many feminists who are not homosexual or practicing any sex–Sodmoettes

        • Rich2741

          There you go; birds of a feather. Just as it is extremely likely they are also atheists.

          • lisarichards124

            Exactly Rich. If you believe in God you cannot want homosexuality or any ungodly perversion. You will reject it unless you say there is no God. Then you give yourself license to do anything

          • Rich2741

            Which is defined under the umbrella of “Humanism”. Humanists believe there is no higher order than man, that they, in their sole discretion writes the rules for themselves.

    • lisarichards124

      I’m a traditional feminist: I love God, the Bible, I love being a woman, I respect men and women, because I respect life, I don’t want to be a man, good grief! But look what feminists have done to us–they drag us backward, yet we have full rights. GMAB FemiNazis!

  • Jane mason

    America is Sodom and Gomorah revisited and is being lead by none other than Obama himself. He goes all around the world and sing the glory of sodomy to everybody. He declares a week of celebration for gays. He will soon force all christian churches to conduct homosexual wedding ceremonies, except of course the Mosques. He would not want to feel the wrath of his Muslim friends.

    • Rich2741

      Try not to use the agenda slang term ‘gay’, but rather use the word “homosexual”.

      • Alleged Comment

        Try not to use the term “black”. It is a negative liberal word designed to fool Negroes.

        If you look up in the dictionary for “black” and for “negro” you’ll see only one has an elegant description while the other carries every known vile meaning to mankind.

        Before we called them “blacks” we did not have trouble when they were called “Negroes”. The word “black” was meant to empower them in a degrading resentful way while the word “negro” was more humanitarian and conciliatory.

        That’s why they rejected the word negro and chose black instead and they have marched on in a contemptuous way at society embolden by this negative connotation on mainly white society.

        And besides black is not a race, either, but a term.

        • Rich2741

          I posted this 6 hours ago, but it never went up, so I’ll post it again… with one word change. See if you can tell which one.

          Not quite correct AC. Actually, “Black” is OK to use because it is the English translation of the Spanish and Portuguese word “Negro”. It is literally the same thing (Black = Negro). On a side note, it was the Spanish who were the first big slave traders of the civilized world (which makes sense because they were the closest to Africa). Additionally, ‘we’ (Americans) never captured or enslaved any peoples of Africa, but rather bought (traded) them from their conquerors (other Black tribes), as they were already captured and enslaved to them. The purchase of slaves (not capture) by ‘us’ was one of the reasons they were treated horrendously on the voyage back to America; the slave traders needed to make the journey as cheap as possible to make a profit. Hence packed ships, and barely fed. It was wrong to trade in human life, but this was the thinking of the time as Africans then were indeed savages and heathens (not an insult, just a fact of the time and location).

          “Black” (color) – is fine
          “Negro” (color) – is fine
          “Negroid” (race designation) – is the official nomenclature
          “Ni##er” (a slur) – is NOT valid
          “African-American” (contrived) – is NOT valid, and is the term Black revolutionaries and liberals use. It also has no basis in logic (Africa is a continent, and ‘America is a country), and is disrespectful to US Citizenship (true allegiance can be to only one). Nowhere else does this configuration of hyphenated source exist (there is no “African-German”, or “African-Swiss”, or “African-Italian”). It is meant as a poke in the eye to non-Black Americans for being Black in America, and to keep the segregation element of history alive as a form of irritation and guilt (‘reverse’ racism).

      • gary

        Be clear on who you want to be referred to ?

      • lisarichards124

        Thank You Rich! Homosexuals use “Gay,” which means loose and immoral, it means whore in France and Germany, and always has, and notice then why homosexuals want us to say gay: So we accept homosexuality and porn and prostitution and pedophilia, because it all goes together.

        But they want “Gay” used, not homosexual, otherwise people will wise up to what this is really all about. Doesn’t gay sound sweeter, happy, joyful, and doesn’t homosexual sound like what it is: Everything God warned us not to do in Genesis and then put into law in Deuteronomy and told us to follow. Change the wording and you can even make murder sound less murderous–abortion. Now murder sounds less murderous and more like you are removing something that didn’t belong there.

        • Rich2741

          Thanks, and I agree with you… except “gay” (from “gaiety”) means a “joyous state of mind” in English, either in the moment or long term. It is a legitimate word until it is used in slang fashion to hide (agenda driven) the mental visualization of perverse filth in the word “homosexual”… as you pointed out.

          The definition of the slang term ‘gay’ in French or German I did not know. I learned something new.

        • Brit Capitalist

          Actually, the word “Gay” in the 20th Century
          was a delightful little adjective used by civilized people to describe
          something (not someone) that was ( light-hearted and carefree (see OED). Unfortunately,
          the homosexual fudge-packers claimed it for themselves for the reasons you have
          given. Just keep calling them what they really are even if we can never
          re-claim the original gay word meaning.

          • Rich2741

            …Just like the rainbow symbol has been stolen and destroyed.

          • Brit Capitalist

            Yes, the covenental significance of the rainbow found in Genesis 9:13 was co-opted by the mutant homosexuals; they also squatted in San Francisco and took ownership to the detriment of all natural born heterosexuals and their families that make up 98% of the population.

  • Alleged Comment

    Why did people fall for Dead Kennedy’s lies is beyond me. It should of been obvious but they caved in to it just like they caved for the sodomite negro telling people you are racist if you don’t vote for the sodomite.

    People fall for this racist crap all the time from the racist themselves!!!!

    • Rich2741

      True, except I don’t get the “sodomite negro” part. Blacks, as a general rule, normally aren’t sodomites. Or did you mean it in a general sense of disobedience to the norm and wholesomeness, and not sexual?

      • michael

        You might want to get versed on 0bama’s history. gay bathhouses in Chicago, etc…..

        • Rich2741

          Oh, OK, now I get it (he was referring to a single person, BHO,II, not the Black race). I don’t know why I didn’t see it, as I have an extensive time line on BHO, II and know all about his homosexual activity -

          East Bank Club: 500 N Kingsbury Street, Chicago, IL
          Man’s Country: 5015-5017 N Clark Street, Chicago, IL
          uber-homosexual street: North Halsted Street, Chicago, IL
          Rainbow/ PUSH Coalition: 930 E 50th Street, Chicago, IL
          Nate Spencer: 404 W 95th Place, Chicago, IL
          Larry Bland: 6347 S Wood Street, Chicago, IL
          …etcetera

        • lisarichards124

          Yes, we all know about that. We were asking if that is what you meant, not that blacks are into that, but Obama himself. Obama is in no way Christian, but we all know how he was raised, and his Marxism is also a reason he goes for the sexual revolution stuff since cultural Marxism pushes for a sexual revolution to usher in communism

    • lisarichards124

      Blacks are not sodomites. In face black Pentecostal churches do not go for that. I’ve always attended Pentecostal and Southern Baptist churches and blacks do not go for that. sodomy is something people make a choice in black, white, Asian, etc. Please don’t place blacks in that category. If you are just talking about Obama agreeing with homosexuality, abortion, then that’s different, but look at black churches and you will see the opposite. And black churches do not approve of homosexuality.

      Homosexuality has nothing to do with racism, but are you talking about the fact that gays are trying to use the race card to shove their life-style on us? They are using Civil Rights and racism as a weapon to get their way. Is that what you meant?

  • michael

    ” We haven’t yet seen organized campaigns to force society to accept thieves.”

    Well actually that has started also. Remember the GM “bailout”? The secured creditors did not want to accept the divvying up of the company “proposed” by 0 which took from the secured creditors and “gave” to the unions.. By law they were supposed to be protected, first in line. 0 then enlisted his lapdogs in the media to vilify them until they would accept part of their share being stolen from them and given to the unions.

    • lisarichards124

      True Michael: We accept thieves every time we reelect leaders who demand bail-outs, as well as raising the debt ceiling they force the people to pay for. The IRS is thievery that we accepted even though the Congressional Laws are still in place and were never abolished in 1913. The 16th Amend IRS is violating Art. 1, Sec. 8, because the law still exists. But a violating law was enacted to steal from us by misusing the Constitution. So yes, we have organized thieves forcing us to accept the theiving of society. When will we make it stop by electing the right people? Our choice just like life-style is a choice.

  • Ruger S Redhawk

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.
    -Abraham Lincoln
    ” Government of the abortionists, by the misanthropic feminists, for the deviates on the public dole” – Barack Hussein Obama
    Shall soon perish (hopefully) from America – I Pray

    • lisarichards124

      Sadly that is what our nation is. I hope enough wake up soon before we become the United States of Marxist/Communist Sexual Revolutionaries–oh wait, we already are. We need to restore back in time to God’s morals, laws, and values and we can if we choose to. God tell us to choose His ways. We also have to stop accepting every life-style in political parties that are supposed to be parties of life, morals, God. Liberty doesn’t mean practicing whatever makes us feel good.

  • Chris P

    What a load of projectionist nonsense. I have never heard anybody say anything like “Do what thou wilt” – except that it sounds like a Libertarian manifesto.

    There is no Satan, just the same as there are no gods. Just more scaremongering nonsense to try to put fear into the gullible.

    • Chardonite

      You my friend exhibit what God calls “given over to a reprobate mind” For this you are on your way to hell!

      • Chris P

        And you are talking a pile of rubbish. There is no hell. Get a clue.

        • Kathy W

          Chris is just an atheist and most are good people. They have empathy and a moral compass that can lead them to benefit their families and society but they don’t understand that the moral compass inside them is from God.

          • Chris P

            My moral compass comes from people I know. I would not use a moral compass from a fictional entity that wipes out whole populations and allows Roman Catholic priests to rape and abuse people

          • Kathy W

            Okay. Another Catholic hater. I have terminal cancer and am being treated at a Catholic hospital. They treat me with such love and it comes from that Fictional Entity they believe in. The Catholics have been submitting themselves to taking care of the most powerless, poor, unimportant people that your new
            death panels will soon be throwing out with babies who have scissors sticking out of their necks. I know because I belong to a cancer group including New Zealand and Australia and they will not pay for chemos that extend your life if you are going to day from the cancer eventually. This country gives you as many good years as they are able. That is because we believe in the value of every human soul. You don’t believe in the soul and that makes a difference. You really are angry and maybe for good reason but please don’t hate good people or lump them with false Christians, wolves in sheep’s clothing.

          • Chris P

            This country does not have proper medical insurance and your “God” lets people die who cannot afford proper care. Even Catholic hospitals will let women die rather than give them a life saving abortion.

          • Kathy W

            My God doesn’t have anything to do with medical insurance. I gave up my home to pay for my medical insurance and worked all my life for it. I paid into Medicare and Medicaid and taxes to help others and supported churches that supported charity hospitals. I would give a kidney if I had to. God leaves the care of others to us, not to the government because the government has no heart and little brain.

          • Chris P

            By the apparent problems on this planet your fictional God does NOTHING. He didn’t create this planet – if he did then he did a lousy job because it is still not finished and cannot support life on most iof its surface. He better not have created humans – because again he did an awful job.

          • Kathy W

            God created people good. He gave them free will and a perfect earth. What we chose to do with it was our choice. We brought sin into the world by doubting that God knew what was best for us. Now you blame God for not stepping in and turning us into robots. He will step in when we’ve screwed it up so badly that we are about to destroy the earth. That is what the bible says and it makes sense to me. You are having a temper tantrum, trying to get God to show Himself. He will if you just ask Him. It will surprise you how He does it but if you seek Him you will find Him.

          • Chris P

            None of that matches with reality. The Earth was created from rock joining together after the big bang and then it got hit by other stuff that gave it water and other minerals. It hasn’t even finished cooling from the initial reaction. Humans evolved society and rules over time without the need for a Christian God.

          • Kathy W

            Let’s stop fighting over how the world was created and join together to fight those who are trying to destroy it. Scientists accept the theory of Intelligent Design. Let’s just use our intelligence to make it better.

          • Chris P

            There is no theory of intelligent design. “It is too complicated for me to understand so God did it” is all that there is to ID. It was proven in court that it is not science at the Dover trial. It is a documented fraud perpetrated by the Discovery Institute and documented as such in their own “Wedge” document.
            Real scientists know that it is nonsense – there are very few that believe in it.

          • Kathy W

            It’s much easier to be an atheist. We can’t see or touch God. It’s much harder to make him up. You said that you learned empathy and morality from other people. What did you learn from Jesus?

          • Chris P

            What I learned about Jesus as described in the Bible was that he was compassionate helping person. That was the problem – I saw that only a very small percentage of Christians came even close to that image. I also learned that “living by example” doesn’t work and that was the final straw. Now I volunteer and help people without any of that baggage. Means less time in church and more time helping.

          • Kathy W

            That’s what Jesus said. There was no one who lived up to God’s perfection. The churches are imperfect and try to keep people good through fear so I avoid them, also. Read O’Reilly’s book on Jesus. You might find there is some historical evidence for a personal God. Seek and ye shall find. Bless you.

          • Shofar threading

            Chris probably won’t say it, but I will — God bless YOU! <

          • Chris P

            That Christians don’t behave in the way that I thought was being taught in the New testament.

          • Kathy W

            I so agree with you on that. The standard in the New Testament is so high that I can’t even try. I am so selfish and imperfect but I’ve done some remarkable things that I never could have done without faith. No credit to me, but I could die for another person for good reason, much easier than I could before. There are fakes, ignorant Christians and immature Christians but when you meet the real deal, it is astounding. I hope that is how you find God. I am not there yet.

          • Shofar threading

            That “big bang” was God’s breath, not a bunch of rocks.

          • Chris P

            That equates to “God did it. The Big Bang was not “a bunch of rocks”. It will need more than two words to explain what happened as an alternative to the many millions of words and hours of research that have gone into supporting the big bang.

          • Shofar threading

            YOU are the one who said, “The Earth was created from rock joining together….” and God DID do it — one point perhaps you didn’t realize you were acknowledging to Him here.

            An old sage once said, and it’s still applicable: “When one understands, no words are necessary. If one doesn’t, no words are possible.” It seems you fall into the latter category. Until you accept there is a God you will forever linger there.

          • Chris P

            If your God did it – it was a lousy job and disagrees with the Bible. Who is not telling the truth?

          • Shofar threading

            Did you ever really read what my posts were saying. I think not — and am tired of this so-called exchange. Peace.

          • Chris P

            Yep – runs out of useful facts and runs away. Standard procedure round here.

          • Thomas Sharp

            Wow, you are aware of how much you resemble your own statement, aren’t you.

          • Chris P

            No – stuff I design works.

          • Thomas Sharp

            I didn’t think so but, was offering you the benefit of the doubt.

          • Shofar threading

            Goodness, man. Have you no compassion!?

          • Chris P

            What has “compassion” got to do with a lousy design job.

          • Shofar threading

            You ARE near-sighted! You totally ignored Kathy’s cancer condition and at least could have been a bit gentle with her. Do you need THAT pointed out to you?! Wouldn’t you offer that to the people you say you are helping. You don’t have to KNOW someone to be kind and you don’t have to KNOW someone to pray for them. <

          • Chris P

            No I don’t have to know somebody to be kind. But somebody who is playing the victim card to win points and then follows it up with blatant rudeness? I’ll walk. It’s called manipulation.

          • Thomas Sharp

            You are making me reconsider my pro-life convictions.
            I am almost wishing you were aborted.

          • Chris P

            Well thank you for showing what a compassionate kind Christian you are.

          • Thomas Sharp

            You are most welcome.

          • Shofar threading

            There seems to be — no isn’t — any gentility in your soul in response to Kathy W. With your comment to her, all thoughts of your possible kindness go out the window. Are your personal actions “for show”? Could’ve fooled me. <

          • Chris P

            No – I’m just not going to comment on something like that about a person I know nothing about and who ends her writing with a nasty piece of projection and rudeness.

          • Shofar threading

            Look posts over and see I’ve answered you on “knowing” someone. And on nastiness? I’ve seem some from you to others. OK for Chris but not anyone else?

          • Chris P

            Right – Christians calling people “sodomites” is just for giggles. Clean up your own act.

          • Shofar threading

            Not I, Chris, God showed His disapproval of Sodom’s lifestyle. Why do you think He destroyed that city. Oh, forgot, you don’t bellieve in Him. In any event, like everyone, I can “clean up” my act — but this sure isn’t one of them

    • Chardonite

      Are you a sodomite?

      • Chris P

        What’s it like – tell us. I’ve never met one.

    • Mark Robn

      I have heard a Satanist priest – I know one by name – say “Do what thou wilt”. That phrase was written by Crowley. — oh, I forgot: I don’t want to be a fool again and give you five seconds of attention. Just know this: simply because YOU never heard anybody say “Do what thou wilt”, that doesn’t mean it has never been said, and never been said by a Satanist. — But, hey: I say – live and let live. 1st Corinthians 14:38

      • Chris P

        Well that is special. To live in this society there are rules and laws that govern behavior. The religious are no better at following rules and laws than anybody else. Priests get accused of immoral acts all the time.

        • Mark Robn

          The issue that you presented was whether or not followers of Satan say Do what thou wilt or not. You said no, I proved yes.

          Your new issue is: Catholic priests commit immoral actions all the time.

          My response:

          1. Thank God I am a follower of Bible doctrine — Thank God I am not a follower of Rome. I don’t care what those Christ-killing, Bible-denying, Idol worshiping, grapefruit-wearing Council of Trent Holy Father wanna be Catholic priests do. — Romans and their followers do not represent the doctrines of the Bible all the time, they are usually wrong. Correct the sincere, rebuke the pious, make straight the reality, follow the real state of affairs, tell the whole truth.

          2. Since you brought up priests, the Bible can be referenced. The Bible says all men fail — all — including Catholic priests. The standard is one of perfection, no man can circumvent the standard. You can try, but your conscience convicts you and Sodomites / homosexuals — and priests, and you, and I, — of rebellion against God. This is why you comment online — if you did not feel the conviction, you would have nothing to say about it.

          (Note that responding to a posting is different, someone had to give an intelligent response to correct the nonsense and the lies.)

          When you comment online, no matter what you say, you prove your guilty conscience concerning the fact that homosexuality is wrong and that the great Progressive experiment has failed, with the immorality of sexual sins running rampant. It is as plain as the sun shining on a clear mid noon day.

          So comment what you like — change the subject, deny the facts, present your shenanigans and your ridicule.

          It will be entertaining — true — but it will be full __it, that’s for sure.

          • Chris P

            The only sins I see are the hate and lack of caring on the right. They are not interested in looking after all people on the planet, they are not interested in looking after the planet or the animals that they say God created. “Wrong” is doing something that negatively affects somebody of something else. Homosexuality does not implicitly do that. Shooting animals for fun and invading foreign countries does. Blowing off global warming and seeking a bigger pickup does.

          • Mark Robn

            Wrong is also stereo typing people. Liberals don’t care for any one but themselves as well. A closer analysis of their programs prove that: social programs feign care for the sake of political expediency. The way the education system treated my daughter at school for the sake of what they called “child safety” is a prime example of hypocrisy from the left.

            In contrast, I myself do a lot to help people and strangers, yet I am somewhat conservative.

            Consider this, too:

            Klebold and Harris – children of Democrats

            James Holmes – Democrat

            John Wilkes Boothe – Democrat

            Ryan Lanza – well you see my point.

            doing something that negatively affects someone else is not always wrong.

            Was defeating Hitler wrong? Was keeping him from his life goal right or wrong? Remember: Hitler wanted to conquer the world. Should we have let him?

            I think you need to do some more studying.

          • Chris P

            Thank you for insulting every liberal I know. My whole family volunteers to help people in many different ways. My wife and I spent the whole of last Saturday working with teenagers in a STEM program. In response to your “these Democrats are evil” – I’ll send you the list of the thousands of child abusing and raping priests. Many of my LIBERAL relatives fought Hitler because his God like dictatorial take over was wrong – so don’t insinuate that Hitler was an atheist liberal.
            Fix your divorce problems before you start saying us atheists have no morality. Breaking an oath to your own God seems like a despicable lie to me.

          • Mark Robn

            Ditto to you, you stupid liber-hole. You started this line of insults by insulting every conservative and Christian I know, despite the fact I tokd you three times that Catholicism doesn’t represent my faith in Jesus Christ.

            That’s funny: a liberal goon like you is insulted… whatever, Jack ass.

          • Chris P

            Catholics started their religion before yours. Can’t you even agree amongst yourselves as to which is the “right” religion.

          • Mark Robn

            Catholicism started before Jesus Christ’s first Advent? — now you are talking nonsense. — By the way, my religion is to care for the widow and orphan and to remain unspotted by the world (James 1:27), which was written long before Emperor Constantine called himself something he never was.

            I guess that wasn’t on your little Bible test when you supposedly read through the Scriptures that one time back in 19 something year, was it? You don’t even know what the Bible says pure religion is. … Word-For-Word. Typical bible blockhead.

            Like I have told you 3 or 4 times within the last two weeks, dummy — and remember, you started the insults, so if you don’t want to be insulted, you need to quit insulting other people you don’t understand — like I told you before, you have not studied enough to know what you’re taking about.

            PS you never answered my question from last week. I don’t expect you to now, you probably don’t even remember what it was I asked you. Typical liberal: always running your mouths, never really comprehending the words that are spoken.

            God gave you two eyes and two ears – but only one mouth – for a good reason.

          • Chris P

            Your ability to read seems compromised. Catholicism and some Orthodox churches were the first “religions” – which organized religion do you belong to that preceded that. And no I didn’t say that third graders could prove chirality – that again is your misinterpretation of what I wrote. Something appears to prevent you from realizing that there are no gods.

          • Mark Robn

            I will number the issues from now on, to reduce confusion between postings:

            001 Chris P said — Your ability to read seems compromised. Catholicism and some Orthodox churches were the first “religions”

            My response (**) — False. Babylonian and Sumerian religions were the first organized religions on Earth. Too much evidence proves this to be a fact.

            002 Chris P said — which organized religion do you belong to that preceded that (?)

            ** The “organized religion” I belong to, as you assume it to be, does not stem from Catholicism or the Orthodox church. It does not come from Protestantism either. I have already answered this question, with James 1:27. If you want to know what pure religion is, then read that verse.

            003 Chris P said — And no I didn’t say that third graders could prove chirality – that again is your misinterpretation of what I wrote.

            ** What does “chirality” and “third graders” have to do with what you and I are discussing? You are mixed up, your comments are not matching what I am typing. You have me confused with someone else you are arguing with.

            004 Chris P said — Something appears to prevent you from realizing that there are no gods.

            ** The fact that you used the word “gods” here proves that you know that you are wrong in point (001) above, namely that the Catholic and Orthodox organized religions are Monotheists, not Polytheists.

            ** I realize that I have studied and experienced facts and events in my studies and in my life that prove to me that there is a God, the God of the scriptures.

            005 — I have presented you with a question that proves the validity of my statements two weeks ago, yet you refuse to acknowledge that you don’t know the answer to the question. I gave you a Bible reference verse, and then, you cut off contact and never answered the question and the verse reference I gave you.

            006 — In my last posting, above, I presented the following issues:

            a) My religion is based on a Person, not on a System. I made that clear, above: Catholicism did not come before the First Advent, and to say so is to show your ignorance in these matters, despite any “tests” you may have taken.

            b) Emperor Constantine called himself a “Christian”, but he never was a believer in Jesus Christ. Catholicism may be an organized religion, but it is NOT genuine Christianity.

            c) You have stopped the insults (mostly), so I will stop the insults, but now is the time to answer the issues.

            d) So, answer this question, the same question I asked you two weeks ago:

            007 — According to Job 38:16, there are sea springs / ocean geysers at the bottom of the sea floor:

            Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea?

            or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

            Considering…

            That we understand the definitions of the words: sea, springs, walked, search, and depth:

            That Elihu, the writer of Job, was not educated by the public education system in 1760 BC:

            That Elihu did not have the benefits of SONAR, satellite imaging, or SCUBA gear:

            That Jacques Cousteau was not alive — nor was any other deep-sea diver alive — in 1760 BC:

            That this bit of scientific data was not known to mankind in 1760 BC:

            That this bit of scientific data — listed in the Bible — was in no way relevant to a shepherd living in the Middle East in 1760 BC:

            Considering all of those facts…

            Answer this question:

            How did Elihu know about sea springs at the bottom of the sea, considering he had no possible way of knowing that scientific fact over 3,400 years before it was recorded in scriptures?

            Isn’t it about time you admit that this fact was revealed by divine inspiration?

            I think it’s time you admitted as such.

          • Chris P

            An amazing ability to read anything into what the Bible says.

          • Mark Robn

            Alright, so let us get this all straight, now:

            Points 001 through 006, with the exception of 005:

            You have chosen to ignore these points.
            Fair enough, I accept your concession on those points.

            Now, on to point 007 (005 ties into it):

            Your answer is — interpretation.

            OK — despite the fact that I defined every term, and despite the fact that I have quoted the verse word-for-word, and despite the fact the verses uses simple, one-syllable words that are IMPOSSIBLE to misinterpret…

            despite the fact my six year old daughter understands this issue better than most people I talk to…

            the best you have, to explain why it is a shepherd from 3700+ years ago wrote about a scientific fact of oceanography that was impossible for him to know, is…

            my interpretation?

            Is that really the best you have?

            hahahaha

            The fact is: what I told you, above, is impossible to misinterpret.

            Your responses also demonstrate that belief in the God of the Bible is never about the intellectual facts or the plain text, but it is always the issue of rebellion against God and intolerance for people who have a different point-of-view than you have.

            I could have dropped a 500 pound weight on your foot, to demonstrate the law of gravity, but because you have rebellion in your heart, you would have denied the pain through the agony that would have been plainly seen on your face by anyone willing to take an honest look.

            It’s always an issue of honesty in the face of bald-faced, simply-understood facts…

            that’s where I see Atheists fail, in my personal opinion.

          • Chris P

            Your six year old daughter has been mislead by yourself into a wrong interpretation. Anybody else reading that passage would never come to the conclusion you did. You are fitting new discoveries to a badly written piece of text.
            There are many examples in the Bible, particularly regarding wars, that they say have been predicted. Over and over again.

          • Mark Robn

            Quit stalling — no more word games, no more dancing around the issue, no more segueing into other issues until this one is resolved.

            You are side-stepping the original issue, a question you have not answered, from two days ago.

            Job 38:16

            Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea?
            or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

            How did Elihu know about things that were impossible to know in 1760 BC, but were proven to be so in the 20th Century AD?

            This is impossible to misinterpret. My daughter knows what “the sea” is, she knows what a sea spring is, she knows what walking and searching are. She understands that the sea is deep, not shallow.

            Now, if I have the wrong interpretation, well you now have the opportunity to explain to me why I am wrong.

            How did Elihu know about things that were impossible to know in 1760 BC, but were proven to be so in the 20th Century AD?

            What saith you, Chris P?

          • Chris P

            Freshwater springs “in the sea” are as common as dirt on some coastlines. The Bible doesn’t give a map location.

          • Mark Robn

            Yes it does — it says “in search of the depth.”

            Coastlines are not “the depth” of the sea. That was a good try, but it’s incorrect.

            Try again, please.

            Mediterranean Sea is salt water sea — not freshwater.

            Try again.

          • Mark Robn

            Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea?
            or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

            In today’s vernacular:

            Have you entered into (the sea, to view) the sea springs?
            have you walked in the depth of the sea, have you searched the depth of the sea?

            The depth — the depth of the sea. Where it’s deep, not where it’s shallow. Out in the sea, under the water, the depth.

            Depth means “deep”, where man cannot get to, to search out or observe phenomena that goes on under the water, in the depth. Meaning deep.

            You know — deep.

          • Chris P

            If God wrote the thing why wasn’t he specific as to the depth. He could give a dimension to the fictional ark.

          • Mark Robn

            Honestly, I don’t readily know why God does many things.

            I will give you what I think, I hope it helps.

            — The Ark that Noah built was specific to hold many varieties of stock species of animal, and Noah’s family. It was integral to the survival of the judgment God placed on planet Earth for the rampant rebellion. The reason why He flooded the Earth has to do with the New Testament, but those are doctrinal issues.

            — The Ark of the Covenant contained specific items that God told the Israelites to place within. For a time, the Ark of the Covenant would provide divine protection so long as the Hebrews followed the Mosaic Law. We no longer are bound by that law, due to New Testament events, but once again, those are doctrinal issues not important to your question.

            — In Job 38, God was asking Job specific questions about certain physical aspects of the Earth, nature, and space. There really was no need to provide exact lat – long coordinates for what He was saying: it is very easy for even my daughters to understand. Perhaps that’s why God doesn’t go into detail about some matters, so that even a child can understand the majesty and grace of God.

            I will be honest with you — I don’t know why God does the things He does: sometimes, my human mind can’t understand why things happen that seem negative in effect.

            I will give you a personal example: last month, my wife injured her leg in a very bad manner. It was looking like she would limp for the rest of her life, but we had good doctors, and the prognosis looks much better today.

            Meanwhile, for the last two weeks, we have endured two of the worst ice storms our area has seen in a long time.

            My wife is a school teacher. If she had been at school during the snow / ice storms, she could have been in a serious wreck or maybe have to keep children overnight at the school. My pre-school daughter could have been trapped at daycare with people she is not familiar with: there is no telling what manner of evil could have happened to my precious 4 year old.

            The point is — we really don’t know why God does things, but there have been many times in my life, if I had gotten my way versus His way, my life would be much worse right now. As it stands, the worst problem we have is money. I don’t deal with medical issues or marital problems or other real problems. My kids are very intelligent, kind, and adorable. My wife is truly the best woman on the face of the Earth.

            If a hurt leg and some time off work is all I have to sacrifice for those good things, I am thankful to God even for the supposed bad times.

            Yeah, we’d all like life to be a Utopia, and for nothing bad to ever happen to anyone, but the truth be told: life is a great balancing act. God is not mocked, whatever a man plants, he will reap what he sows. — or, Karma, or what goes around comes around, or whatever.

            The point being: I cannot prove to you that God has blessed you, not because of your attitude towards him, but in spite of it. I just know it is impossible for Elihu to know what he wrote without some sort of divine revelation, because no-one knew the things he writes about in Job.

            I know salvation is a trust issue. If you give an ounce of faith unto God, you might be surprised at what He does with it. Why not, for just once in your life, give him the benefit of the doubt one time, pray for salvation, and then forget about it, until God brings it to your heart later.

            If he never approaches you again concerning your salvation, at least you gave it the ol’ college try.

            Only you know if you have given the best test you can give. Only you know if you have given God a fair shake or not.

    • Kathy W

      Prove it. If you don’t believe in God then read history. An orderly, self-disciplined and moral society thrives.

      • Chris P

        Nonsense – Christians in this country cannot even be bothered to stay married even though they make a solemn oath to their fictional God. This country has more people in jail than any other. There are thousands of different versions of your Christianity.

        • Shofar threading

          With your repeated foolish comments, no wonder your avatar indicates “private”. I’d be hiding and ashamed, too. if I were you.

    • Shofar threading

      You, Chris, are living in the world of Oz. Read or see it again. Remember, it was a false world.

      • Chris P

        I’ve been to non Christian countries and people there behave with better manners, in some cases, than they do here. No magic religion is needed for people to behave.

        • Shofar threading

          God never expected perfection from His children, just the effort (there was only ONE who was perfect), but YOU are, and I’ll give odds that you haven’t been and aren’t. Not only are you an atheist but more specifically reek of anti-Christianity/ Catholicism.

          • Chris P

            Well thanks for the attempt at a put down – proving my point.

  • Shofar threading

    Excellent post, Rick — except the heading is wrong. It should be AMERICA: MIRED IN SODOM. We’re not going there. We have already arrived.

  • Claude M. Dionne

    As a born-and-bred Canadian who has visited few eastern states as a kid, I used to be in awe of the ‘Altered States Of America’ for such friendliness, amazing landscapes, “ap -ple pie” patriotism, such beautiful and unabashed freedom all over the land, and many more gems to numerous to mention, I feel that your country is going to be ‘destroyed’ from within (outrageously-sick gay marriages, Obama being Muslim, sky-high national debt, and so much more). For such a former great country, like Great Britain, your fall may be equally brutal! WAKE UP before it is TOO LATE!

  • Claude M. Dionne

    I am truly wondering about the continuous “stone-throwing” contest between Chris C. and Mark Robyn. Reading their e-mails would be like witnessing a TV debate between a Republican and a Democrat (I will let you choose between who belongs to what!). A little bit of diplomacy could go a long way! Up north, we tend to be more mellow, more middle-oriented in our provincial/federal politics (including a more ‘conservative’/’mode- rate’ approach against open gun ownership.). But at times, I like the ‘in-your-face’ heat-ed exchanges. Finally, I wish that you could impeach Obama for his half-truths and bla-tant lies. My major beef? He is a despotic Muslim! Just re-elect somebody else with bet- ter credentials BEFORE your country wakes up with a MAJOR hangover (or probably before another nation invades your country! Ciao!!

  • Claude M. Dionne

    Again, I want to applaud Kathy W. for her diplomatic responses to Chris C.. Many indi-viduals do not agree/like organized for many good/bad reasons, but ONE passage I do remember having read from the Old Testament before is this: I truly believe that God at one time showed Himself openly to the Jews and other nations before, but suddenly, He had witnessed enough bad sacrifices and other immoral acts that He decided to stop re-vealing Himself to His creation (but I would rightly assume that he was spiritually close to Moses, David, Solomon, Joseph, Noah, Paul, and many more). “Only the fool be-lieves there is no God”, I remember often thinking. But who can dispute the ‘Intelligent Design” agenda? If there would have been no such agenda, there would have been no blue skies, no sunsets, no sundawns, no northern lights, no wildlife, no mountains, no oceans, no Milky Way, and NO shopping centres (written the Canadian way, eh?!?)! Think about it, Chris! Maybe you believed in Jesus/God as a child, and then, you re-belled. Sure, you cannot touch God, because He is a spirit, but I have seen/felt so many times that He has tried to show Himself to a lost world. Enough said!!

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