• Ann Wilson

    It’s time to take your children out of public schools.

    • sickpuppy70454

      No, it’s time to take the public schools back. We need to educate our children, not make up ways to make them feel better about their failures.

      • David J. Stuehr

        I am still baffled as to who decided to put stupid liberals in charge of schools. But yes it does need to be undone

        • Dave

          They’re in charge, thanks to complacent taxpayers.

          • Rhonda Renee Sessions

            Actually, it’s right out of the Communist playbook to take over the country. Take over the schools to teach the next generation how to be complacent mindless followers of the nanny state, and not question anything or anybody. Welcome to George Orwell’s 1984, 30-years later.

          • Dave

            Nakita Kruschev warned us that we would be defeated through our education system.

          • regulus30

            PROGRESSIVES SOLD THE IDEA as a way to “raise” the blacks performance levels;; instead as libs always do ;; they “lowered” the standards to accommodate the lowest performer.I needed an 100 SAT to get into school; black jocks get in with a 750.

          • DAY8293A

            Time to get rid of the 3 E’s and start learning the 3 ”R;s”. Get rid of the EPA, the Department of Energy, and the Department of Education… And teach Reading wRiting, and aRithmetic ….

        • regulus30

          affirmative action and federal funds opened the door for Bill Ayers in the 1960’s.

          • John Lennon

            Integration was the death knell for public schools.

        • Ballistic45

          WE allowed Liberals to take over our Public AND Higher Education school systems… Communist have targeted schools sense Lenin… Give them control of a nations schools systems and they will have a Communist Nation in short order without firing a shot….. WHAT ARE “WE” GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

      • Ann Wilson

        While all us good patriots are spending time “taking the public schools back” will just keep our children there to learn nothing.

    • Croco Dile

      You can take kids out of public schools, but will you teach them about money ?

      I doubt that, because today people are illiterate on this subject as they were in the past :

      Excerpts from SEVEN FINANCIAL CONSPIRACIES WHICH HAVE ENSLAVED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

      by Sarah E.V. Emery – Connecticut, 1887

      10 years of money contraction :

      On the 12th day of April, 1866, congress passed a law authorizing the secretary of the treasury to sell 5-20 bonds, and with the proceeds retire United States currency, including greenbacks.

      On Dec. 4, 1866, E.G. Spalding, a Buffalo, N.Y., banker, a member of congress, wrote to Secretary McCulloch as follows : “You, no doubt, now, to a certain extent, have control of the currency of the country, and I think that you will, of necessity, contract moderately, so as to preserve a tolerable easy money market. There may be occasional spasms or tightness for money, but generally, I shall look for plenty of money, for at least one year to come.”

      When this letter was written the country was in possession of $1,996,687,770 currency. During this year, there were but 520 business failures in the whole country, involving a loss of but $17,625,000. Labor was well paid and fully employed.

      1867

      This year the work of contraction was vigorously pushed, and there were 2,386 failures, with a total loss of $86,218,000.

      1868

      During this year, $473,000,000 of money was destroyed, and failures increased to 2,608, with a loss to creditors of $63,774,000. Money began to be tight, and financial “spasms” were frequent.

      1869

      During this year over $500,000,000 of money passed into the cremation furnace, producing 2,799 business failures, and a loss of $75,054,900. Money growing tighter and wages lower.

      1870

      This year $67,000,000 of money was destroyed, and 3,551 failures took place, involving a loss of $88,242,000. Money very scarce and wages of labor were reduced all over the country.

      1871

      Thirty-five millions of money this year is retired, with 2,915 failures and a loss of $85,250,000. More men out of work and wages cut down.

      1872

      Only about $12,000,000 was destroyed this year, but such had been the strain upon the business of the country for the past five years that this proved the last straw to 4,069 business firms, involving a loss of $121,058,000. More cutting of wages and strikes talked of.

      1873

      This year the storm reached its climax. Business had hoped that, with every returning season, prospects would brighten and money would become plenty. Instead of this, however, notwithstanding but $1,609,000 were destroyed, the people became panic-stricken, and 5,183 business firms were precipitated, with a loss of $228,499,000. Five hundred thousand men are thrown out of employment, wages cut down all over the country, and strikes are of frequent occurrence.

      1874

      Notwithstanding the terrible results of the last year, the wine-press of contraction still creaks on its hinges of death, as round and round it sweeps out of circulation $75.484,000 certificates of indebtedness, which have been made legal tender money, $85,760,000 treasury notes, $6,335,045 legal tenders, $3,000,000 fractional currency, and $1,000,000 bank notes, producing 5,832 failures, and a loss of $155,239,000 to creditors. A million idle men began to tramp in search of work. Wages still decline and strikes more numerous.

      1875

      The volume of currency, this year, was contracted $40,817,418 and the failures reach 7,740, with loss to creditors of $201,060,000. Two millions of laborers out of work. Famine and hunger begin to stare them in the face, and “tramping” becomes a profession.

      1876

      According to the most reliable estimates, the contraction of the currency this year, in the destruction of greenbacks, and the withdrawal of bank currency amounts to about $85,000,000, with 9,092 failures, and $191,000,000 loss, during the first quarter of the year. The aggregate failures of the year reached over 10,000, with losses not less than $300,000,000. This does not include losses to stockholders, by foreclosure and sale of railroads.

      The red torch of the vandal lighted up the country from Pittsburg to Chicago. These are the footprints of the red-mouthed despots, the money power, which is still forging chains for the limbs of American industry, with a view to enslaving the American populace by robbing them of their homes and firesides, and thus controling their life, liberty, and pursuits of happiness by controling their wages through the control and monopoly of money.

      • Ann Wilson

        Sure Croc, public schools will educate our children in finances.

        • Croco Dile

          Definitely not !
          But you should !
          But first you need to understand the subject. Do you ?

          • Ann Wilson

            Considering the fact that my homeschooled child was #1 in Academics at his Navy Graduation out of over 700 recruits and is now ready to graduate a major university (paid for by his Navy Service) and is about ready for med school, I’d say I did OK.

  • Phil1985

    “New Math” is baaaack!

  • astrojohn

    This is the BS my grandson has had since the 3rd grade (..or 9-3=6 years by OLD math). I’m still trying to fix what the public school system has screwed up! He has no confidence at all that he knows what he’s doing and now fears math (even though he actually does understand the old-fashioned way).

    Nobody in their RIGHT mind would teach math this way!

    • J. Brown

      When I was at graduuate school my children wanted math help.
      The term used was “casting out numbers”, after reading two chapters in the sixth grade math book I wasn’t sure I could finish my last year.
      Truth be told there were no real answers to the questions, merely some teacher trying to get promoted by devising a new system. It’s probably back with a new label.

    • Rhonda Renee Sessions

      That’s just it… the last sentence in your post. The ones who mandate this is the NEA, National Education Association… an agency that isn’t even really a part of our federal government, but a union organization for teachers that teachers are FORCED to join in order to get a teaching job. So, the teachers, etc., are forced to teach it to our children. Unfortunately, most of them are part and parcel of the problem, too. I have a friend on FaceBook who has a friend who is a teacher. My friend posted a math problem from Common Core on his timeline and shared it with us, to see if we could figure it out. None of us could, except this one friend, who tried to show us how the answer was obtained. Of course, none of us could, so she called us all idiots, because she teaches it to her students. Yikes! I have a degree in Business Management, so I have to use mathematics and equations, too, but Common Core math doesn’t make a lick of sense to me!

  • SW

    The “goal” of common core/cscope is to dumb-down and destroy the moral values of our children under the pretense of “education.” The libs have taken over our children’s minds while we were busy working to provide a better life for them. Shame on us for not being vigilant and watching their every move and word! Please God help us to turn this corrupt nation back into a Christian nation!

    • Ned

      SW you are EXACTLY RIGHT!

      Laughingly they use the usual tactic of trying to portray this as a more “sophisticated” and more “intense” approach while in reality it is GIBBERISH NONSENSE that is intellectually PAINFUL and USELESS.

  • silverstreak

    Neither was my son taught to read or write in cursive.
    He was taught to sign his name as if he was making his mark as in the days when people were illiterate.
    His teacher said that since everyone types these days,cursive writing was unnecessary.
    I then reminded her that children could not even read our Founding Documents in their original format.
    I also had to teach my son to tell time from an old fashioned clock.

  • NavyGunner

    Maybe it’s because I am a retired engineer, the key word being retired, but even my old slide rule comes up with 111, and I still don’t understand the “number line.”

  • Allen

    This is why the government has no business being involved in education. Stop electing liberals, democrats and rinos.

    • Ned

      Hell, our ridiculous representative can’t even READ or do MATH! You can’t run a country on DEFICIT SPENDING or pass BILLS you do NOT READ!

  • toomuchsense

    Another reason that Jeb Bush has shown his real hand. Jeb Bush supports Common Core, because he is an elistest moderate that masqerades as a conservative. The difference between Hillary and Jeb, is that you don’t have to think to know what you’re getting with Hillary. With Jeb, you just need to warm that 100 watt bulb you call a brain to around 20 watts to figure him out.

  • BajaRon

    If universal stupidity is the goal, then we are well on our way to achieving it. But you would think it would at least be less expensive than teaching excellence as had been done in the past.

  • lildebrarae

    In the 70’s my school was one of the ‘test’ schools for what was then called the ‘new math’. Everyone in my school who took this crap, ended up having to take remedial math throughout high school and college.

    • ProudGGDOfAConfederateSoldier

      First year Junior High in 1969 new math was introduced to my school. I immediately went to my guidance counselor because I knew I would never grasp it. The counselor called in my parents and the principal and all agreed I should go back to remedial math. The teacher fought releasing me from his class for months. So I sat there doing no work and taking no tests. I still remember how new math made no sense!

  • Nathan Bowles

    Dewey an avowed, atheist, eugenicist, and communist is the founder of our present day education system. “Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed”. Joseph Stalin
    I once helped a student study for the SAT. The answer to a question is 12, but the back of the book answer was the square of 144? Years ago information that was taught in the 6th grade is now taught to freshman in college? In the 19th century many graduated colleges at the age of 16? That was considered the norm!
    Twilights last gleaming?

  • EL

    If a politician is FOR Common Core, we should all be AGAINST them. They have to be voted out We have to get rid of a lot of their weirdo ideas. Where were they educated? This is becoming important….where they’re coming up with all this trash

  • Frank W Brown

    We’re already here… WTF?

    We Need To Do All that We Can To Reverse This…

    A Country Founded by Geniuses but Run by Idiots!

    If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but 
not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might 
live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or 
to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might 
live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a 
check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not 
to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that 
was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from 
owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty 
F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a 
nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but
not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make 
you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is 
run by idiots.

    If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a 
wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman 
in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head 
searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but 
is run by idiots.

    If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions 
of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a 
nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his 
teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class 
in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation 
that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more 
government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with 
Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free
 cell phones — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses 
but is run by idiots.

    If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to 
provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment 
checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was 
diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might live in a nation 
that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest 
big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a 
wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government 
forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage — you might live in a
nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself 
makes you more “safe” according to the government — you might live in a 
nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the media panders to your openly socialist leader while the IRS targets groups with dissenting views— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your government ‘cracks down’ on legal gun sales to law abiding citizens while secretly supplying illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your local government (Chicago) outlawed gun ownership for ‘the safety of its citizens’ and now boasts the worst murder rate in the country — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    What a country!

    How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America?

    This was borrowed from another blog, please spread it far and wide!

  • TPS12

    jeb your common core support turns me off. Oh and look at this Mom’s letter and maybe you’ll see why. Is this common core math what politicians used and that’s why were 17 trillion + in debt. Try real world math and maybe you’ll see we have a problem with spending.

  • Jim

    The common core often does not use common sense try Everyday, Investigations or Bridges and you will see the same thing. College professors ruin almost everything

    • bob

      give a job to an educator and they will find the most laborious way to get it done, give it to a lay man and he’ll figure out the fastest way to get it done

  • 777dove

    the dumbing down process started way back in the 30’s when the elites realized they needed a WORKFORCE to run the factories. Thus the system of bells and total control over the us — the little people. I started researching this back in the 1990’s and decided to pull my kids out of public school then we had a phenom called OUTCOME BASED education. This is NOTHING new people

    • NoLibLiz

      The dumbing down started over 100 YEARS AGO by Thomas Dewey et al. Consolidating school districts was one of the first steps in the program to produce a dumbed down compliant population. One room school houses taught things like Greek, Latin, Rhetoric and Logic as well as the Three R’s: readin’, ritin’, ‘rithmatic.

      They wanted to do away with not only such a high level of learning but the ‘one room’ as well. The Prussian military had proved that great compliance among the troops was achieved by moving them from one activity to the other every 50 – 60 minutes. (Does that sound familiar?)

      So it short, their agenda became much more obvious in the 30’s but their plan was well in place by then.

  • BD

    Proponents of common core should face a firing squad for what this system does to our next generation

    • BR

      That would be Jeb Bush, Arnie Dunkin, Pam Stewart and Bill Gates just to name a few.

  • muf69

    I agree wife this parent. I have train many young electronics technicians over the years and my biggest complaint is that fundamentals are no longer taught. Students enter the field ill prepared for the work they are to do. Educators are teaching the wiz-bang stuff but the student has no idea how they got there. With a strong foundation the teaching of the wiz-bang high tech stuff becomes easier because they understand why and how it works. It is no wonder why the US is falling behind the rest of the world in math and science.

  • Mys77

    It all comes down to this, the government wants to control what they think the kids need to know, what they want them to know, and what information they think is necessary to keep them compliant and submissive! And most importantly, dependent and unable to function without them!

  • JL Brown Jr

    People better get this crap grown out before our kids are destroyed just like our country! Who was the idiot that came up with this crap? This is fundamentally changing our country, the kids are not going to be able to get a decent job, they will be going to all the men and women coming from overseas, they were taught the right way to do math and higher functions. This government is almost comical if it were not hurting our kids so much. I would like to know if the presidents kids are being taught this crap? Before I send my kid to a school that Push’s this crap, I will teach them at home! When are people going to wake up? It might already be too damn late!

    • Susan

      They send them to elite schools like the Waldorf schools, which don’t allow any computers or TV watching, until after 13 years or so. Parents have to sign a contract with the school.

      The brain is wired differently by activities using the five senses and small motor skills (uses more of the brain) when they actually hold a pencil and write on paper….and read a book they can hold. Pressing buttons, getting happy faces, habituates “instant gratification” which habituates laziness.

      All great men or women develop “Perseverance” which is what leads to success: the ability to overcome frustration. Kids watching TV/Computers have low tolerance for frustration and artificial emotions are anti-social….not like learning emotions from actually interacting with other human beings directly where you can sense emotions in looking and hearing, etc. Computer games, etc deny that interrelationship to develop naturally.

      They teach Classical Education and instruments/music. They teach Rhetoric and all the lessons the McGuffey Readers used to teach when we had people like Mark Twain only attending “school” after age 7 and for only 4 years or so…..and they didn’t program with attitudes/beliefs other than the Christian beliefs and Virtue (excellence).

  • LetsJustVoidTheBillOfRights

    REMEMBER Jeb Bush – a Globalist – supports Common Core.
    REMEMBER… when you VOTE…!

  • monacall

    They want to make dummies out of the kids. If they ruin one generation it will take three generations to get it back. Parents you need to wake up.

  • Susan

    The curricula is designed to destroy Reason and Logic. It is all designed to erase “Laws of Nature” and Individualism so they can flip “Good and Evil” (your kids will “think” Snow is Black and be so irrational, they will believe whatever lies come out of the White House. Of course, the curricula has been doing this for over 4 decades, which explains the OWS ignorant goons.

    They use ‘group think” to form collective thinkers to eliminate the Lincoln/Mark Twain types, who hardly ever set foot in an indoctrination “institution”.

    They intentionally make math confusing….that which should be straight forward and mastered by all educated people. Logic should be gained by doing math–and the ability to see Truth—but NOT with public school kids. Truth is blurred, so they are ignorant and easily manipulated.

    The kids that knew Calculus by age 14, never did this “New Math” and the Marxist Billy Ayers Math mumbo jumbo.

    John Saxon invented a solid math program which got kids into MIT without remedial math–but the “public” schools BANNED his books and kept him out of their “system” in the 80s, since it made children successful and smart. It is proven the most successful homeschool math curriculum.

    JS Mill stated, that if the government controls schools, they will NEVER educate, they will just create slaves for the State (or corporations, who slip the State money). “Why Johnny can’t Read” was written decades ago….they destroy minds of children intentionally.

    Schools use conditioning (like on Pavlov’s Dog) in the schools (Wundtian). The programming creates ignorant adults who “feel” everything—whether it is Good or Evil. They are unable to use Reason because they have no Knowledge about anything important. They have no Wisdom after 12 years. People like Ben Franklin—a scientist and inventor, only went to “school” for two years…..go figure.

    The elites do NOT want people “thinking” like a Ben Franklin, an INDIVIDUALIST who could form opinions and NOT worry about “group think”. He thought outside the box—its what the schools beat out of little Benny now!!!

    Have to have slaves for the state…..little worker bees for the corporations who have no ambitions of their own–just educated enough to do their assigned jobs—and will have to submit to being controlled all their lives.

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      The progressive’s/liberal curriculum, “Keep em stoned and stupid!?

    • Ned

      Speaking of Saxon Math, that’s is part of what my kids were taught. In addition to that Singapore Math was taught. It worked well together. Saxon Math moves too slowly. There is too much overlap form grade to grade HOWEVER the approach is right on! Singapore teaches MENTAL MATH and makes ABSTRACT math easier to digest when they get to Algebra. Having said that about Saxon, the easy solution is to for example to jump over grade levels to keep kids motivated. For example, SKIP 5th grade which is mostly a review or K-4 and go directly to 7th grade.

    • Susan

      So agree. When my husband and I started our family, we decided I would stay home and homeschool. It was a sacrifice financially but it was worth it in every way. We used Saxon math which is the best source I have found for teaching all levels of arithmetic and math. My kids all went to college ( received scholarships) and all are successful in their fields by God’s grace. I wanted to teach my kids the real history of our nation using the Founders’ own writings. I especially wanted them to learn to think on their own–to not accept blindly what they hear or read, especially in the news media (read Pravda!). I would encourage any parent today to either look into homeschooling or into good private schools. I sub at a wonderful Christian school and I am so impressed with the students. They are learning what they need for real life – not the propaganda being dished out in government schools today!

      • Susan

        It is people like you and your children, who will save this country (if it is possible)!!! I read John Taylor Gatto in the 90s and he opened my eyes to Reality.

  • Susan

    Common core reminds me of what I went through back in 7th grade when the”new math” was introduced. My mom was a teacher ( old school) and quite intelligent and she said it was foolish to complicate the processes which had worked for hundreds of years. She was right!

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      There is an old Navy saying, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

      • Susan

        Excellent! My dad was a WWII vet and he always said the same thing. Thank you for your service! God bless.

      • AG Dot Com!

        God Bless all Seabees!

        “The Marines are the first ones on the beach – they will roll in proudly through lanes and on roads the Seabees cleared, to staging areas secured by the US Army Pathfinders and Scouts!”

        • fistdeyuma

          So you are saying the people who build roads is more important than those who use it? Seems a bit backwards to me. Pride in your work is ok as long as it does not involve tearing down others to attain it. Sounds more like envy than anything else too me.
          I was in the air wing and we know our job was to support the fighters by getting them into the fight and keeping them supplied. They were the more important part of the picture.
          USMC ret.

  • Ilene Richman

    I agree. I am a substitute teacher and when I have to go into math with some of the students, the math is made so difficult to understand instead of simplification. Teaching students with complicated formulas is riduculous. We all learned math the good old fashioned way. Keep the good old fashioned standards so you do not confuse students.

    • msueh

      Same here. And when I go into a math class, I explain a problem the kiddos can’t figure out, by using “old-style” math – and they understand right away! (I homeschooled my own.)

  • Michael Wright

    The only thing that test is designed to teach is how to count change back from a $5 dollar bill when the power fails at McDonalds.

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      even then it can’t be done!

    • AG Dot Com!

      The new registers at McDonalds have pictures on them. Even McDonalds knows its primary workforce cannot read anymore. “Count change”? What’s that? I thought it was supposed to be “Hope and Change”!

      • Devasahayam

        And this is on a computerised register — the workers on these can’t do diddly with mechanical registers, or with paper-and-pencil.

        • AG Dot Com!

          I made a point of teaching my daughter cursive when she was younger. She always grumbled about it – until this year, when she discovered most of her mates cannot write much beyond a grade school printed scrawl… it startled her and frightened her a little bit.

  • karen

    common core is another way for gov to desteoy our morals, by teaching our kids a bunch of crap, we as americans should root out common core from our schools, it is a form of mind control ,, by telling your kids what to think and what to believe in,, they dont teach geography, history, math , there is a lot of stuff that common core is teaching your kids that you dont know about ,,parents should be concerned what they are teaching kids,In the schools they want to teach kids what homosexually is ,, isnt that some to teach kids at a young age,, some of the teachers that are in schools should not be teaching, when i went to school that is when we said the Pledge of a Legends to our flag, and sang The Stars Spangles Banner than someone said the LORDS prayer., Now there are some people that want to take that away from our kids , these people DO NOT have any respect for our country, they dont even honor our Constitution on freedom of religion , they want to ban OUR GOD out of things where GOD has been for years, they dont want kids to say prayer in school these people are communist goons , common score has to be stopped, It is so wrong for our kids, teach them the old way ,, half of the kids dont know the history of our country,

    • Ned

      The purpose of Common Core is to DUMB your kids DOWN and brainwash them into hating conservatives, promoting immorality and mocking Christians. It’s sprinkled into their lessons.

      Think about it. If they can’t read, write or do math, they will use their arbitrary EMOTIONS to make decisions. When truth is with held from them – our Bill of Rights, Constitution, they won’t KNOW what their rights are. Naturally CURSIVE is used in those documents. They don’t teach cursive anymore and revisionist history is what is taught. THIS is ALL being done on purpose.

      • Chris P

        Conspiracy central.

  • DOOM161

    I love the teachers comment of a single “?”, it let’s is know that she had no idea what could have possibly gone wrong.

  • KC135TopBoom

    Common Core-the new E-BONICS. It didn’t make any sense back then, it doesn’t make any sense now.

  • TeaParty Patriot (TTP)

    .
    This common core math crap is just an extension of the “new math” that was taught in the 60s 70s and 80s. with it’s sets, sub sets, and other complications, that are easily forgotten, trying to expain why 2 + 2 = 4 only it makes math so complex it takes an engineer to try to explain why 1/2 a pie and 1/2 a pie make a whole pie when a simple picture will do and it will be retained nearly forever by the student.. Even a low information voter can understand what a half pie is, and that it is less than a whole pie of the same size.
    .

    • jzandensky

      …low info folks still expect the whole pie for free.
      That, needs to be educated out as well.

    • Alex M

      “Even a low information voter can understand what a half pie is, and that it is less than a whole pie of the same size.”

      That might confuse a child. If it is the same size, it is the same size, and cannot be less than or greater than.

  • Susan

    I also became a teacher and was appalled at the reading programs as well that did not center on phonics. I used phonics with my students and had phenomenal success. I have tutored many students who had severe reading problems because they were not taught using common sense phonics. Once they were given the proper tools, their ability to sound out new words helped them to enjoy reading and as a result all their grades improved.

  • Combat Veteran Seabee

    Good for her, her accomplishments and most of all, common sense!!!!!!

    • Johnstoirvin

      combat vet, that brings to mind a possible bumper sticker…

      “Replace common core with common sense”

  • Ned

    Common Core is absolute CRAP. We paid a PREMIUM through private school to avoid it. We STRUGGLED to do it. No living LARGE or LARGE vacations. We SACRIFICED to do that. It is paying off in diamonds. I suggest others do the same. We also CLOSET HOME SCHOOL. Common Core math is CONVOLUTED garbage. It makes math a subject you HATE and discourages one from learning it. I don’t know of ANY student that likes it – they dread it.

  • AG Dot Com!

    My daughter is in 7th Grade. She does not know the Founding Fathers. She cannot name all 50 states, let alone their capitals. She cannot name, nor identify all the elements of grammar on a reasonable level. She cannot name the parts of a basic organic cell. She cannot recite the preamble, and never learned how the United States of America was formed or why.

    However – she knows who John Locke is (4th grade), she learned her rights are “life, liberty, and personal property”, she has had more sex education by 7th Grade than I had in 12 years of school, and she has had it pounded into her that “bullying is bad”, and “everyone is a winner” – oh yes, she’s learned about homosexual lifestyle as well.

    It is way past time, America, to take back our schools.

    • Chris P

      How can you “take back” what is already yours? Just too lazy to vote for a school board and the funding to do it right — or just blaming the feds for everything, as is usual round here.

      • AG Dot Com!

        Oh hi, Crispy Critter! I see you are lurking about today! I love how your world is so “in the moment”, and nothing ever, ever happens over time, and there is no possible way that a population can be lulled, and fooled, and manipulated… what a wonderful world it must be inside that shaved pate of yours!

        • Chris P

          Ignoring the usual moronic personal comments – get lost idiot. Apparently you were bad at bringing up your kid and are now whining about it.

          • Devasahayam

            The idiot is you — so YOU get lost!

          • AG Dot Com!

            Oh Crispy, with your near-omniscient ability to see into the souls and minds of all those who deign to tread in your realm of the blog boards…. Oh magnificent Crispy, with your fount of boundless wisdom….

            Kindly go f*** yourself.

          • Ruppert Baird

            The biggest problem I had with education of my children was the system. All cookie-cutter and watered down in a school that is consistently in the top tier in my state. My kids were taught the truth about America, and they suffered in school b/c it didn’t fit the liberal, Progressive, fascist agenda. I had to teach my kids that the Emancipation Proclamation freed exactly no one when it was signed, and that only the 13th Amendment’s passage AFTER the Civil War ended freed all slaves, mostly the slaves owned by Northerners. I had to explain that the dropping of the A-Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki sadly saved many more lives than it took. I had to teach my kids math, b/c the round-about bull they were learning left them confused. I had to teach my kids to read and write b/c the method they used at school was almost totally ineffective. Your argument is spurious and like any American liberal your analysis is warped by your view that government and the Left (like you) know more than anyone else and we MUST be taught everything by said government and the Left, b/c (as you inferred above) we don’t know how..

          • Chris P

            How exactly do you know that the bombs on Japan saved lives? But thanks for the snarky remark about liberals.

          • Ruppert Baird

            It’s estimated that 225,000-500,000 died. Estimates collated from the death tolls at Iwo Jima and especially Okinawa were that upwards of 10 MILION people, military, civilian, Allied, and Imperial Military, would die in an invasion. Look it up. I realize hat facts are not liked by liberals, but all I can say is don’t trust me. Look it up yourself.
            Nothing snarky. I used to be a liberal before I grew up intellectually.

          • Chris P

            That is called an estimate and not a fact. So you side with the guns, misogyny, religion, war, homophobic, anti-health care for all and income inequality set. No thanks.

          • Ruppert Baird

            Yes, I do in fact side with the US Constitution and faith in God just as the Founders did. As for misogyny, Bill Clinton is on your side. As a soldier (retired) I never wanted to go to war, but I’m not foolish enough to believe that disarming the nation (the OBVIOUS, and long-standing goal of the left) will keep our enemies from attacking us. I am not homophobic, but I sure do NOT believe that any group should have additional rights over and above others, another cornerstone of your side. National health care as envisioned by the Left means good health are ONLY for the wealthy (just like Britain, Canada, et al.) I also believe in income based on merit. It’s worked for the S for 170 years. It has gotten much worse since Progressivism began to take hold. Again. Just facts. Something you cannot counter, so you just do like any typical liberal and call names.

          • Alex M

            ” good health are ONLY for the wealthy (just like Britain, “

            This is not true. Health care is free at the point of delivery in the UK, and is independent of wealth.

          • Ruppert Baird

            OOoooohhhhhh. So THAT’s why there are two separate systems in the UK. One that only the wealthy can afford, and the point of delivery one where people wait MONTHS to get X-rays and cancer treatment.

          • Alex M

            That’s not true either. The average wait time for diagnostic testing is under six weeks. For cancer referrals, approximately 98.3% of patients in the UK’s National Health Service begin treatment within 31 days of diagnosis. [Office for National Statistics, UK, Q3, 2013/14] The proportion is very slightly higher for breast cancers.

          • Chris P

            So Bill Clinton having oral sex is “misogyny” – hmm. The religious forcing women not to work and have kids IS misogyny. When you spend more on the military than the next 7 combined – you’ve gone overboard. Liberals don’t believe gays should get extra rights – but thanks for projecting. You have no facts just usual right wing ill informed drivel. People in Canada and Britain don’t hold bake sales or go bankrupt over health care as they still do here. Income based on merit is fine but income disparity is not that. As to name calling – I think people on here have a mastery of expletives and obnoxious personal remarks.

          • hankrbradley

            Why bother with ChrisI I long ago quit suffering fools, so ignore the moron and freeze his comments out without responding and then he ends up talking to himself and we now have lots of medications for that!

          • Chris P

            Like this isn’t an echo chamber for Doug Giles.

    • Somekindofpatriot

      There is a huge problem here, as a parent it’s YOUR job to make sure YOUR daughter is getting a proper education. Don’t depend on the government to give you or your daughter what you want or expect. You will most certainly regret it if you do.

      • AG Dot Com!

        Oh no, I completely agree with you, 100%. I am in fact giving her the education she needs and making sure she knows these things. I was merely pointing out the reality of what it is our children are learning in public schools. I am 100% in our corner – it is absolutely the parents’ responsibility – I am advocating for parents to get MORE involved in the process – as in, get into the school boards’ meetings. Get in their faces. Hold them accountable. I have already done this several times, and my daughter’s teachers all know my face!

    • Susan

      Yes! It is foolish to waste the student’s valuable time (i.e. Their lives!) on socialist propaganda. They need the basics! They need grammar, math, accurate history (that expounds on the greatness of our nation and its founders), true science, exposure to the great literary classics, critical thinking skills and logic. It is criminal to send them out into the world so poorly prepared. The educational system in our nation is a waste of our hard earned money. It does not promote excellence or creativity.

      • anAmericanByChoice

        And before all that, they must be God loving people, ethical and moral beings, compassionate and respectful of what must be respected (not the BS socialistic/communistic liberals and governments try to indoctrinate them with) — after this is solidly in place, teach them anything and they will pretty much differentiate the truth from the lies, the good from the evil, the pearls of knowledge from the cr@p and be able to face the evil out there! No Armour of God, no defense, and they will be like lambs sent among wolves, and the surviving ones will be herded to the slaughter house!

    • anAmericanByChoice

      And if all that worries you, you should keep your daughter home, because by the time they will be done with her, you won’t be able to recognize her… Putting a kid in almost any school these days, is, in my humble opinion, child abuse and neglect!

      • AG Dot Com!

        While I agree with you in principle, it is my contention that we need to take back what is ours. We let these .. “educators” create all these rules and controls arbitrarily – I am as guilty as anyone for not reading all the laws and regulations regarding our schools. But, the fact remains, the schools have powers they were never meant to have under any circumstances. I don’t care how that power got there (in this context) but I do know it needs to be stripped from them.

  • jzandensky

    I had a similar experience with frustrated 10th grader. Oh, and theres no book, just copied sheets with 4 “pages” per sheet.
    Waste.
    I hired a tutor. Now, no frustration, except for me of course.

    • Chris P

      Then maybe you should give more money to your school district. so they can afford real resources.

      • Christian

        More money? So Property Taxes, State Taxes, Federal Taxes, Lotto, Sales Tax etc are not enough?

        How about we remove the egregious salaries of the administration staff? Or say we stop giving out 1% $2 million over 40 years loans to School Superintendents.

        I have a better idea. How about we outlaw unions and keep drug addicts, pedophiles, alcoholics and liberals from abusing our kids?

        Stop me when you have enough information. Cause those without kids pay through the nose for this tripe and are pissed.

        NO MORE MONEY FOR SCHOOLS UNTIL THEY CLEAN UP THEIR ACT!

        • Chris P

          Exactly how does that solve the problem? Stop abusing your kids with religion.

          • Christian

            wow you are a liberal troll. Not worth the time to try and educate at this point.

          • Chris P

            Ate least you’ve figured out that it is not worth trying to educate me on your religion.

          • AG Dot Com!

            Ever the bastion of tolerance, Crispy…. a paragon of virtue and a beacon of hope for the masses…

          • hankrbradley

            Chris, it doesn’t matter what you believe or not, your unbelief does not alter the truth and one day you along with everyone else will fulfil the promise and prophecy that, “every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.” You still have time to change but you must choose wisely and frankly I don’t see that happening. Not that I care, lol!

          • Chris P

            You are wasting your time. There can be no life after death and certainly no heaven or hell. Maybe you should get an education on the biology of your brain and then you would understand how it works.

          • anAmericanByChoice

            Know what they say, right? Can’t cure stup|d! Do you seriously believe what you are saying or you just decided to tease everyone else here?… Or maybe you are the teacher who passed that genious math quiz around and you are p|ssed with the frustrated mother’s comments?

          • Chris P

            It was a problem solving exercise and the Right wing conspiracy theorist just had to get on their high horse and bitch about common core when it really had nothing to do with it.

      • http://www.pdcaregiver.org/ JP Jones

        Spoken just like a clueless, tenured teacher with no accountability to anyone but the union.

        • Chris P

          Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist.

      • jdangiel

        Spoken just like a typical “ideology is reality” lib. We spend more per capita than any place else on the planet and still don’t get the results. By your thinking, money itself is somehow magic, and if we just drop a pallet of money on the floor of any classroom, magic rays will emanate from it and cause the entire room to become A+ students. Now for reality 101. It doesn’t work that way. This crap with the 4 pages is what they are getting for all of the money that they have given already. News flash – the problem isn’t the money, government is not the source and definition of goodness, and surrendering everything you have to it is not the ultimate act of goodness. I cannot wait for the adults to be in charge again.

        • hankrbradley

          If we drop a pallet of money on the floor of any clasroom the union will scoop it up in a hurry and use it to pad their paychecks!

      • reggiec

        I am 71 and schools now days waste way to much money. Math and English books were taken care of by students and lasted for years. They were assigned to students just like a library book and it was the student’s responsibility to take care of them properly. I remember at the beginning of each year a student received several sheets of brown kraft paper and were then instructed how to fold it to make a book cover to protect the book.

        • Christian

          brown paper bags is what we used.. Getting new book was awesome.. lo

      • jzandensky

        Maybe I’ll send you the bill. YBD.

  • Christian

    common core is a dumbed down attempt of reducing those with active grey matter to those of liberals.

  • Observer

    If they will continue to educate kids with this kind of exercises Russia, China and India will have a hard time to keep up with US demand for B.Sc., M.Sc and Ph.D.

    • Hotshot111

      China is graduating more engineering PhD’s than we are engineers. We’re outproducing them in Political Science and Social Services. If we don’t get back to reality, we’re doomed.

  • georgev

    It’s alien math.

    • ipsd48

      But not any alien that got a foot off their own planet

    • hankrbradley

      No, aliens are much smarter than us, they use simple addition and subtraction but the alien’s are laughing at us, along with the Russians!

  • Stealth

    But… I just KNOW a bunch of LIBERAL WOMEN who are largely responsible for that gradual destruction of what USED to be a decent educational system ( of yesteryear ) will harp ALL OVER this- because DISEASE-BRAINED LIBERALS PERIOD…JUST DON’T GET IT!!

  • regulus30

    get rid of teachers unions and get the white boys off “RIDILIN”.

    • AG Dot Com!

      Oh. Interesting. And curious. I have never seen a Black boy on Ritalin – I have several brothers and sisters that are teachers, and I trained a couple hundred troops back when I was younger and not so fat…. you’re right – only the White kids were on Ritalin…. that bears a serious study of some kind…. hmm………

      • regulus30

        it is a way to dumb down the white boys in a feminazi school system;; I noticed this phenom several years ago and began studying the idea that no BLACKS ARE EVER given the mind altering drug.

        • Devasahayam

          Of course, many of the black boys (the ones NOT in NOI) give themselves many mind-altering drugs which make ritalin superfluous — and even deal in such drugs (those who are in NOI — well, their minds are altered by demons without chemical assistance).

          • regulus30

            EXCELLENT POINT.oops better turn off those caps before the stupid libocrat answering my post correcting my spelling of Ritalin, chastises me;

        • AG Dot Com!

          That seriously needs to be a study, and a public one. I wonder how we could get that in front of the media. If you are correct (and I am pretty certain you are), that is massive….

          • regulus30

            might be able to get a physician and a child psychologist and an attorney to provide data and begin an investigation; what do you think? The child is usually targeted at the school level as being disruptive and the parent is forced to have him evaluated and then drugged. the long term side effect of the medication is a propensity towards teenage suicide, this might be another more sympathetic avenue to recruit a psychotherapist with hands on experience with the side effects.

          • AG Dot Com!

            There are three obstacles: the schools, obviously, have a vested interest in a study like this not being done. The drug industry may throw their legal weight behind it. And I am fairly certain DOJ, at the behest of DOE(ducation), will attempt to undermine any nationwide case. That is reality. My gal works in the pharma wholesale industry – you should see the collusion and price fixing that goes on.

            That said, is this a worthy endeavor? Hell yes.

          • regulus30

            all your points are valid;; that IS WHAT MAKES IT A JUICY CHALLENGE; when libs scream it is because you got them by the nuts666.

          • AG Dot Com!

            First thought: doctors, educators, lawyers, may all scream “patient confidentiality” on something like this in an attempt to prevent anyone from getting the relevant data. I might counter with “no need for personal data – just gender, ethnic group, age” – those are general categories that don’t compromise anyone’s privacy.

    • Revere

      Yeah ,because why would we want some Union teacher to teach us how to spell Ritalin correctly!

      • regulus30

        perfect liberal response;; here is another one of your trivial idiosyncrasies ;YOU ARE A MINUTIA MORON….GET IT FOOL.

      • AG Dot Com!

        Let me see if I can spell this correctly: Sanctimonious asshat.

      • garysvent

        Good luck finding one.

  • DonRS

    The “useful idiots” like Jeb Bush think Common Core is just wonderful. It is clear they know nothing about Commni Core, and maybe nothing about math! But, boy do they like big government!

    • Devasahayam

      Jeb is useful? I thought he was just an idiot.

      • hankrbradley

        LOL an informed Floridian?

        • Devasahayam

          Nope, I’ve never lived in FL (currently in MI, but n

      • garysvent

        “Useful idiot” is what Lenin called the people who went along with communist propaganda, and actually believed it. They were useful for Lenin getting what he wanted. When they stopped being useful, he had them shot or sent them to GULAGS or salt mines.

        Jeb Bush is being “useful” to the propagandists on the Left and their dumbing down of American children. He’s an idiot because he doesn’t actually realize what he’s doing.

  • agbjr

    There is no mention of education in the Constitution and it is not included in the carefully enumerated federal responsibilities. Education is a state and local matter, not a national one; in fact some state constitutions specify local ‘home rule’ meaning education is strictly a municipal responsibility. Our schools are no longer places of learning and discovery for our children. The federal government, the Socialist Democrat Party, and blatantly communist unions have made them controlled indoctrination centers. The fifth columnist have proven Senator Joe McCarthy was right all along.

    • anAmericanByChoice

      ‘Home rule,’ as far as I am concerned, means family decides. Homeschooling is the solution, but thumbs up for everything else!

  • Devasahayam

    Common Core only differs by two letters from a disease (and the disease, for all its misery, is considerably less bad)!

  • Christian

    I am sure everyone has figured out that we have a PAID liberal troll … Chris P come on down!

    • 19gundog43

      Probably one of “Obama’s Cyber Warriors” AKA paid tools of the regime.

  • James

    Commons core is designed by Obama to destroy our country by
    making our education system even worse than it already is. Then at the same time he can brain wash our kids with his Socialist homosexual agenda to even further destroy this country.

    • JeromefromLayton

      The example is part of “New Math” which was introduced in the early 1960s by the same crowd that gave us “look-say” reading (John Dewey) earlier. See Why Johnny Can’t Read which was published in the 1950s. In short, this crap started before Obummer was born; not to say he isn’t spreading it around.

  • robocop33

    What the h,e double L is the reasoning how to solve this math problem like that? “I” cannot figure out this process. Frankly it took me all of a full second to come up with the answer in my head, using common SENSE! Why do they have to try and make everything so complicated? That’s the reason why kids today can’t figure out even simple math without a calculator!

  • Peter Henden

    With Common Core BS, right is wrong and wrong is right. Who the hell is grading this?

    • RLJR1

      PETER THE UNIONS ARE

  • Denis George Miller

    I have a degree in industrial engineering obtained over 40 years ago and I cannot understand the method, philosophy nor advantage to common core mathematics. I agree, if I found someone working for me using this method they would not be working for me any longer.

    • John Douglas

      I’m a retired M.E. and find it indecipherable.
      Just more of ‘The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America’

  • hankrbradley

    Liberal, progressive, socialist and communist, take your pick, that is common core!

    hint hint….all of the above is the correct answer!

  • Alex M

    What this ‘frustrated parent’ is missing, or has forgotten, is that the use of the number line concept in arithmetic is being used to help teach concepts of scale, counting strategies, and relations between numbers. She has turned it into something about a single calculation, which is a different angle, and has missed the teaching value of the number line scheme.

    The number line concept presents a more coherent picture, quite literally, of number as a concept than the older set-representation mode of blocks and counters. Set-representation modes lead to difficulties when it comes to moving from the concept of integers to that of fractions and decimals ; but the ‘number line’ concept is significantly easier to get to grips with for this. It also leads in to more effective calculation strategies that can eliminate some of the extra mental steps such as ‘carries’ when adding and subtracting larger numbers. When a student gets to higher mathematics, he will encounter the concept of ‘R’, the real number line, constantly, in such areas as real vector spaces, real analysis, and so on.

    • Dale H Brown

      Alex M– what is ‘number line scheme” ? of course I was taught math many years ago , so I imagine it is something thought of since then –I admit I am not a math expert and always hated math , even though I had to take some algebra and geometry when I went to school to get my Electricians license–I suppose a person needs more than just regular math in many fields of work now a days, but I was always able to figure what I had to do with my regular math in over 40 years of doing electrical work—

      • Alex M

        “what is ‘number line scheme” ?”

        It’s a way of representing numbers you’ll probably recognize easily : just numbers on a line, like a long ruler. To add two numbers, you can pick a number on the line, and to add 2, say, you just go 2 steps to the right, and to take away 3, you go 3 steps to the left. It helps develop the intuitive sense of scale of numbers, among other things.

        When I was a boy, which is a while back, I learned counting using counters, which were red on one side, white on the other. To add 3 and 4, we’d put down three red counters, then four, then count them out to seven. Or to subtract 3 from 10, it might be done by setting down ten red counters, taking three away, or turning three over to show white, to understand that 10 could be decomposed to three and seven.

        This methods works well for simple integer manipulation, but it’s not so good for fractions, and it’s not helpful for adding numbers like 29 and 19. The number line is different here. The student can see 29 on the line, and it’s a very short intuitive step to see that it’s much easier to move 20 to the right and then back one to the left, than to move 19 to the right, in order to add these two numbers. Translated to mental arithmetic, the trick for adding 29 + 19 becomes 29 + 20 — which is easy as it involves no ‘carries’ — to get 49, then subtract another 1 to get 48.

        These are mental tricks you’ll already have figured out, after you’ve been doing arithmetic for some time, but the ‘counters’ way of thinking doesn’t lend itself to generating that kind of insight.

        The number line is also good for introducing the concept of decimal numbers and fractions, and how they can be manipulated, and ‘counter systems’ thinking has to be abandoned in trying to explain these.

        Once the number line way of thinking has been grasped, it’s extremely easy to explain how a slide rule works, for example. Sure, slide rules aren’t used much these days (I still use one, alongside my sophisticated TI and HP calculators), but you can then show the principle behind them, which is that the distances between numbers on a slide rule are in effect those of the logarithms, which are linearly related to each other, and multiplication on a slide rule is just addition of logarithms on the number line. That’s quite a sophisticated concept made much easier to grasp in a more intuitive way.

    • Rudy McGillvray

      I ask you, in elementary school do you think all that bullcrap is necessary? If you do,,, then you are a leftist, commie motherf*****. who is promulgating the lies of A. Oblamercare and B. Common Core. You effing idiot.

      • Alex M

        You smooth-talking rascal, you won’t get round me by sweet-talking me.

        But do be assured, your mother is quite safe.

    • garysvent

      What a load of absolute baloney. You’ve bought the line.

      How in the world did we manage to create civilization without having all this mumbo jumbo shoved at us? How did we get to moon without number lines?

      This is just a more complicated way of making teaching easy, and to separate children from their parents.

      • Alex M

        How you manage to get from counting systems to separating children from their parents is an impressive feat of reasoning, even if the logic is not immediately apparent to the inquisitive onlooker.

        • MildBill

          Oh, but it is quite obvious by using simple deductive reasoning and application of know variables. . . . See, you have applied the Common Core thinking process to other areas and are now confused. . . . Why is garysvent logic understood by everyone but you ? . . . . Say it with me, “It’s because of Common Core logic !”

          • Alex M

            Lots of strange things are obvious to those who are wearing their protective tinfoil hats.

        • garysvent

          You’re not inquisitive enough.

          A child whose parent cannot comprehend — (because it is purposefully obtuse) — the education his teachers are imposing on him , will look to his teachers instead of his parents for direction. Eventually they will take him where they want him instead of where his parents want him to go. These days, that is toward the worship of socialism or some similar imbecility and it will almost certainly be away from God, given that these people boo God at their conventions.

          There, that wasn’t too hard, was it?

          • Alex M

            It’s never too hard to follow a series of non sequiturs to an illogical end. That’s perhaps why so many people end up in strange places.

      • msueh

        “making teaching easy”

        Not really. Any teacher worth his/her salt (i.e.: a veteran educator) goes to classes to UNLEARN the common sense approach taught years ago. And it’s difficult to go against the grain to teach this CC crap.

  • hankrbradley

    I learned how to balance a check book in elementary school using addition and subtraction, this is ridiculous and really comical, who wrote this crap?

  • MildBill

    THIS is where the Zombies are created !

  • anAmericanByChoice

    CC = Common Core = Communist Cr@p… ‘nough said!

  • 19gundog43

    Common Core is Obamacare for little victims of government (indoctrination) education.

  • longbeeye

    Sorry to all you Common Core Cretins out there. I am a teacher in a major city whose state has adopted Common Core. The Government (federal and state) should not be teaching anything to anyone. If you think the kids are confused, the teachers are just as baffled by the “student-led” learning. We are told to make units up without any materials or guidance. The hired “consultants” are absolutely useless and offer no support at all. Don’t blame teachers for what the politicians are shoving down everyone’s throat. God bless those of you that homeschool.

    • RLJR1

      THEN STEP UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT DONT JUST COMPLAIN ON A WEBSITE. UNTIL THE TEACHERS COME FOWARD THIS DUMBING DOWN OF AMERICA WILL CONTINUE VERY SAD, VERY SAD INDEAD

      • longbeeye

        We do. Nothing happens. In a nutshell, we’re told if we didn’t like the changes, find another profession. I sometimes wonder why I pay union dues.

        • RLJR1

          HOW MANY FEEL AS YOU DO GET THEM TOGETHER AND STOP PAYING DUES IF ENOUGH TEACHERS STAND UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING HELL GO TO THE NEWSPAPERS SEE WHAT HAPPENS THE UNION THUGS WILL START BY SENDING WARNINGS, BE READY TO RECORD EVERYTHING ITS GOT TO START SOMEWHERE

        • shflbroker

          Quit pating the union dues. If there are more than just you that feel this way, form a coalition. The more you get, the more you will get done. One voice will make no change, but a room full of voices will. And when you have union elections, why don’t some of you run for union office and make that change. I won’t believe you are trying until you actually do something about it.

    • freedommonger

      I have one more son, out of three, still in school. We began homeschooling him at the beginning of grade 1, when he came home one day singing an Obama praise song. He is now advancing at a greater rate, and he begins classes each day giving praise to God, not that other piece of filth!

    • shflbroker

      Sorry teacher, I will put part of the blame on you. You are in the STRONG position of standing up to the government and to your wonderful unions, and demanding that you will NOT adhere to these ridiculous “standards” that they are trying to put forth. Children are not “standard”. Each one is an individual with indivivual traits and abilities. When the government and unions recognize this and get out of the way, we will have an educated (not indoctrinated) citizenry.
      So, teacher, when will you stand up and say NO to your union and government?

      • Buyerbwear

        That teacher stands up, says “No!,” is fired, then what?

        • shflbroker

          Sometimes we must sacrifice to stand up for our true beliefs. And, in some cases, there may be a bigger reward in the end. If we want to save this country, many of us will need to make sacrifices. If not, then we haven’t much chance and we lie down and take what is dealt. I’m not ready to do that.

    • Rudy McGillvray

      Never thought to blame the teachers, just the idiots who tell them what to do, and how to do it. Of course why blame the teachers for anything, much less than trying to do less than babysitting the brats in durance vile. Which is one way to view what we laughingly call “school.”

    • Old Time Math Teacher

      As a teacher you should know the common core is simply a list of standards that are to be taught at each grade level and if you are a math teacher the common core includes eight mathematical practices which are simply thinking skills.

      What you are rightfully complaining about is the implementation of these standards by the district. My district is also requiring teachers to write their own curriculum and as an 8th grade math teacher I am exhausted trying to develop curriculum, create lessons, motivate students to look beyond just finding a simple answer and grading complex work products.

      But I also understand why the district is not buying an off-the-shelf textbook. The national publishers have merely repackaged the same old drivel they published for the past 15 years which will do nothing to improve the math and thinking skills our students. So even though I am frustrated with the level of work that has been dropped on me, I understand that textbook publishers will not change unless they start losing business because of the quality of the product.

      But as a teacher you need to help people understand the difference between the common core standards and the implementation of common core standards. Unfortunately your response merely perpetuates the ignorance that is being spread on this this thread.

    • John W Benedict

      Why the ‘name calling’, e.i. “Cretins”? What’s that all about, huh???? Don’t be so sensitive. None of the posts I’ve read have been critical of teachers, per say, just the ‘crap’ that is being pushed on to the ‘teacher’ to use as a, so called, ‘good tool’ for teaching. And as such, Common Core is Crap! That’s all!!!!!

      • MildBill

        John, longbeeye didn’t call just anyone a “Cretin” . . . longbeeye called believers in Common Core “Common Core Cretins”, which tags them fairly well, doncha’ think ?

    • VoteLiberty2014

      Because it is NOT about the students. It is all about the paid consultants. Common core s is just another tool of fascist teachers unions and education consultants.

  • mustang

    And Jeb Bush, along with other RINO’S & democrats like Common Core. Well that says a lot. Time for change: CRUZ, PAUL, CARSON, HALEY.

    • Buyerbwear

      Amen!

    • John W Benedict

      Preach it, Bro… and a few other patriotic Amercans could be added to that list! Such as: Palin, Col. West, Jindall, ect. Dump the RINO’s!!!!!!!

  • Rod Rogers

    Common idiocy is what it is!

    • Rudy McGillvray

      My mother taught me to read at an early age, which I remember was about 4 yo. When I went to school, we had addition and subtraction tables, we had to memorize, I did so. Then in subsequent years (grades) I had multiplication tables to memorize, and I did so up to the number 16, as I remember.

      Now then I subsequently learned that all that memorization I did, did not need to happen as it was common knowledge or would clog my brain w/facts. Well let me tell you folks all those brain clogging facts let me do my math problems a lot more quickly than my daughter and son do, I have watched them do things in math, that take them twice as long as it does me, because they have multiply the numbers to get what is already in my head.

  • Lummi

    My grandfather was from the era when you “learned by doing”, apprenticeship, or taking exams in a field to prove your capabilities to the state. He taught me to read when I was four years old. When I was five, he began tutoring me in math and arithmetic, with emphasis on how to quickly mentally calculate in your head. Sixty-plus

    • garysvent

      Costs a lot of taxpayer dollars to build fancy brick buildings for educrats and teachers to spend their years in. They sell these vast schemes “for the children”, but the children only spend 4 or 5 years in each building. The overdone luxury is not for kids, but for the staff.

      They are unionized leeches.

      • Lummi

        In my area, a new high school costs between $ 40 million and $100 plus, depending on how much pressure the administrators put on the voters. One local high school was razed, replaced with a single story, spread out “campus style” , and then razed and replaced again with a two story brick building that would make the Taj Mahal envious, all in a span of about 15 years. In spite of the money spent per student in this country, American kids still fall far short of almost all Western nations, and a fair number of Third Wold nations. It’s no coincidence that the Teachers’ Union contracts in the area all see to be up for renewal just before the start of the school year, which gives them tremendous leverage in bludgeoning a settlement from the school boards when they go on strike immediately before the year is due to begin. Because of the mandatory number of classroom days, they never miss a dollar in pay, but everyone elses, plans and schedules go right into dumper. No strike clauses aren’t worth the ink they used.

  • Marine101

    And the answer is simple really: home schooling.

    • gloria

      Yes, and also, school of choice would create competition and many new good schools. Tax dollars should follow the students at their parents direction.

  • JeromefromLayton

    The example looks like 1960s “New Math” which was crap then and still is.

  • D S

    Liberals do not like standing rules. They are children that must destroy the rules of society, because they themselves have been picked on, or bullied, or just absolutely refuse to grow up, They have to come up with foolish ideas, and when in power, push those foolish ideas on the rest of society. Liberals are generally stupid and fall for the simpleton thinking of Communists and Fascists. . . . . Don’t believe it, look at what has happened to every Socialist Society, Communist Society, or Dictatorship.

  • RLJR1

    THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST;S DEVELOPED COMMON CORE TO DESTROY THE EDUCATION SYSTEM JUST LOOK AT NEW YORK THE CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE OVER 90% GRADUATION RATE SO THE UNIONS THE TEACHERS UNION HAS THE CHARTER SCHOOLS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THE CHARTER SCHOOLES MAKE THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THE TEACHERS LOOK STUPID AND THEY ARE INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT HOW THE CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE DOING SO WELL THEY WANT THEM CLOSED THE TEACHERS ARE NOT FOR THE EDUCATION OF THE STUDENTS THEY’RE FOR KEEPING THE BAD TEACHERS AND THEIR DUES

    • Marlin208

      It is also to dumb down the kids so they are more like sheep.

  • Donnie J McDonald

    I agree with the mom. Trying to complicate basic skills is ridiculous. I do not know who thought up this ridiculous feel good approach to education, but simple is always best.

    • dog

      That part is easy. Some of King Obama’s paid dumbacrats , whose purpose is to make more democratic voter on welfare, to help run this great nation.

      • Geo

        Not necessarily a democrat, Jeb Bush and his ilk are in heavy favor of this POS school system. Think before you vote!

        • John W Benedict

          V E R Y G O O D P O I N T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • MildBill

            Republicants / Demoncraps. . . . . Different jerseys, same team with the NWO logo on their backs !

  • tuvals

    I agree with mom. This Common Core Crap has got to go. A bunch of candy asses run our schools…

    • RLJR1

      THEY’RE NOT CANDY ASSE THEY’RE CALLED DEMOCRATIC COMMUNISTS

  • freedommonger

    We have one more son in school, and we began homeschooling him shortly after he began the first grade, when he came home one day singing a song of praise to Obama, that he had been taught at school! He now begins his classes by giving praise to God – not that other evil piece of filth! He is now advancing at a faster rate. He will not have a SINGLE DAY of Commie Core!

    • Buyerbwear

      Good for you! Blessings to you and your family. Your children are already better off because they are not in brick & mortar government school.

  • Ballistic45

    This should have been properly named “Dumbing Down Core”…. Public schools have abandoned teaching Kids HOW to think and problem solving skills.. They have “Changed” over to Indoctrination of WHAT TO THINK, and, It’s someone else’s problem, centralized government knows best…

  • Marlin208

    From another article about Common Core.

    COMMON CORE:

    1. Dumbs Down Students

    Standards are lowered so all the students can pass.

    2. Confuses and Stresses out Students and Teachers whose success/future is based on testing

    3. Confuses and Stresses out Students who are taught “relativism” math, 2 + 2 does not equal 4 necessarily, simple math

    problems are made complicated

    4. Government Decides Career Path for Each Child

    I.e. Olga Korbut as a child was forced by the communist Soviet Union to become a gymnast “for the state.”

    5. Socialist/Communist Propaganda i.e. Little Red Hen story – instead of “if you don’t help work, you don’t get to eat,” to

    “why was the Little Red Hen so stingy? Why didn’t she want to share?”

    6. Focus on Feelings Not Facts (reject home-taught morality and embrace “collective” values)

    7. Anti-Christian

    8. Anti-Semitic (Ponder this Common Core assignment: “Students Asked to ‘Argue That Jews Are Evil’ and Prove Nazi Loyalty

    in Assignment Linked to Common Core.”)

    9. Sexually Inappropriate (even pornographic like “Dreaming in Cuban” recommended reading)

    10. Bio-metric Data Mining on Students (pulse, blood pressure, facial expression, tie in to Obamacare)

    11. Data Mining (personal parental info that can be used against them as ‘political dissidents’ i.e. IRS scandal

    12. Assault on States Rights

    13. Assault on Parental Rights

    14. Will affect Home Schoolers

    15. High Price Tag

    16. Mainstreaming Homosexuality in Kindergarten

    17. Masturbation taught in 2nd grade (under guise of “health”)

  • Kicker

    How are our kids going to compete with kids from other countries with rigid standards and high expectations, particularly in the sciences and math…… The answer is that they are not. Progressives don’t want a United States capable of competing, or even surviving, on the world economic stage.

    They want totalitarian societies to dominate, and expect to be part of the Ruling Elite. Their deliberate destruction of the American education system is just one step along that path.

  • theronald

    So, is ‘common core math’ a revised name for ‘new math’?

    • giegie

      Common Core will not only be used in math but in raising your children in the befuddled public school system. It should be rejected by every school in the country. There are three cities rejecting it already one even being Wisconsin!

    • Jeffersonian

      It’s teaching them that they don’t need to memorize the basics like all of us had to! They teach them how to “cheat” by counting forwards or backwards (number lines replaces memorizing addition and subtraction). They don’t even need to memorize spelling words any longer because by 6th grade they are given Word Processors to use from that point forward. So, we will have kids that don’t know when to use “your” or “you’re”, or when to use “to” or “too”! That is the dumbing down of our next generation!

      • Alex M

        Number lines don’t replace learning addition and subtraction. They’re a scheme for putting arithmetic operations in a context that enables the student to get a more intuitive grasp of these operations when more sophisticated kinds of number manipulation appear.

        • msueh

          You’re neither a parent nor teacher, are you? An intelligent, thinking one, that is…

          • Alex M

            Not many marks out of ten for deductive reasoning capacity.

  • lostproton

    I want Common Core to write out the integral calculus formula for the volume of a sphere and explain it graphically, as this will be needed in high school today.
    Then explain how this formula equals, to what most of us over 45 should remember learning in junior high school as, [4/3 * (3.14159) * (r * r * r)], mathematics formula symbols and superscripts do not work here. Common Core has gotten to Microsoft; try typing a mathematics formula in MS Word (ALT+) while the frustration causes the oscillation of your hand spilling your coffee in your lap. OK, I am an electrical engineer and my granddaughter is a high school mathematics teacher who has not had to deal with Common Core yet.

    • Ewade

      Bill Gates, a true New World Order Agenda21 Globalist POS has invested over 3 Billion dollars in Common Core.

      • garysvent

        Common Core Math must be a new pathway to binary mathematics.

    • John W Benedict

      Well said!… only, I was hoping for a few more paragraphs… I really like your illustrations. So true

  • Ewade

    When is the General Public going to recognize these people as the enemy in the war, and I mean that by its most basic definition, for the future of our children and the nation they will inherit? It’s not coming, folks. It’s here. We are at war. And while the enemy is fully engaged in full frontal attacks on the minds of our children we are calling them names and talking about what should be done. Organize, Strategize, and engage the enemy wherever you live, or you might as well just hand your children over to the enemy. Wait, we’ve already done that. Get in the face of every government official right down to the school principle and teacher, and root out this evil now!

    • Russell

      Amen !

    • ranchdancer

      follow the $$$$$ and who is cashing in on this bullcrap…this is not education it is the first step toward controlling what people think…all will think collectively as the government wants. There will be no discussion or personal thinking, equals human robots.

  • sargeant rock

    It was common idiots that wrote common core, because there is nothing common about it….

  • Bob

    I’m a public school teacher. Let me tell you, this stuff is ridiculous. I’m a back to basics, simple is best kind of teacher. I guess I’m boring, but my kids graduate being able to think. Like the parent wrote on the paper, simplicity over complexity. All of this money is being wasted. Every few years, another new educational theory propounded by so-called experts will come out. I’ve been teaching Social Studies for twenty years. I’ve been through History: A Story Well Told, Power Standards, Curriculum Mapping, Whole English (we were supposed to support the English Department), Writing Across the Curriculum, and now Common Bore.

    The moral of the story? Stop with the expert opinions! Let the local school boards decide curriculum like they are meant to. Let me bleeping teach the way I have been, the way that’s helped to get my kids into places like Cambridge, USC and the Air Force Academy. And, for those who aren’t college-bound, will at least teach them the basic messages and necessities of rational thought, logic and citizenship, and hopefully more. Teaching really isn’t rocket science, although the Common Bore folks would like all of us to think it is. What it takes is a disciplined approach that stresses basics, and then builds upon them. It requires simplicity, from which we can then add complexity, but not the garbage that’s being dumped on us.

    Not all of Common Bore is bad – seriously, some of it is actually good teaching practices, things that effective teachers have been doing for centuries. Sadly, much of it seems to this veteran teacher to be a grab bag of activities done for the sake of doing them, not for the sake of quality teaching and student learning. If you want to improve education, lower class size. That is truthfully the most important single issue in my classroom, at least. If you put nearly forty kids in the room, they’re numbers to me and I will become more of a traffic cop than an educator. If you put twentyfive kids in my classroom then I’ll look like the best teacher in history. I’ll have time to get to know them, to tailor my lesson plans to their strengths and weaknesses. It’s a simple function of numbers, not new educational theories and millions of wasted tax dollars.

    Frustrated California public school teacher.

    • Jeffersonian

      Oh, but the Daily Caller ran an article this week on how much Teachers LOVE common core! Of course they wouldn’t allow readers to post comments, because it was filled with BS and propaganda. I wrote to the Daily Caller and told them what I think of the government spewing propaganda site, and told them to shove the common core article up their rear! I don’t know any good teacher that would “Love” common core! This dumbs down our kids, and puts them at least 2 yrs behind what the standards were before CC! If they are taught not to memorize the basics, then they are going to fail when they go to HS and College.

    • Buyerbwear

      You hit the nail squarely on the head! I think our first priority should be to eliminate the NEA. When it comes to education, there are too many chiefs and not nearly enough Indians (no offense intended to any group). In my son’s 2nd grade math book (he attended public school through the 4th grade), there were 3 whole pages of contributors!!! Besides being completely insane, that’s expensive–all those contributors were, no doubt, paid for there input, and that book was mostly illustrations and stories and puzzles and ideas for projects … IN A MATH BOOK! Yes, I realize it was 2nd grade, but my son was doing those kinds of things in pre-K at his Christian day care. So frustrating. Fast forward to today–he does a page of timed math facts before his 2-2&1/2 pages of math, usually 2 to 3 paragraphs explaining the new concept, then 25 problems; AND he will complete the book (unheard of in today’s brick & mortar classrooms) a month before public schools let out for the summer. Is it any wonder the number of home-schooled children, at least in my state (Texas), is increasing every year?!

    • gloria

      If the big teachers unions were ousted and members didn’t have to give up $1,700 or more a year in union dues to elect Democrats, they could form local unions. The money they are paying now could be used do something for the teachers – like lower class size or just pay them better.

    • MildBill

      I give you a “A” on your synopsis !
      P.S. Please don’t retire.

  • Aleuicius

    So – someone had a gimmick like this in their head, got to be influential in Education, then decided HIS/HER way was obviously best, even though there are numerous other, faster, easier-to-understand ways. I did the actual equation in my head in a few seconds, but studying the “problem” and the number line “gimmick” for ten minutes; I still can’t figure any of it out.

    • bjreg3

      Ah! For the liberals at the NEA , the turkey is coming home to roost with your moronic common crap, er, core. Worse than “No child left behind!

      • Buyerbwear

        And I didn’t think it was possible for anything to be worse than that (no child left behind, that is), yet Common Core manages to be much worse.

        • gloria

          I didn’t think No Child Left Behind was all that bad because the NEA hated it! If they didn’t like it, there was something good there. In the first year Bush required a study that exposed that the sex abuse in public schools was 100 times worse than the Church scandal. But that was quickly brushed under the rug by the media.

    • gloria

      The liberal, mega rich Bill Gates and his pro-abortion wife heavily influenced common core curricula.

  • Panama Red

    amazing! We’ve put men on the moon, have the greatest technology in the world, and it all came from “yesterdays” math. Huh? We’ve done all those things using the wrong math No way!!.
    Look at all the things we’ve built in this country using the “wrong math”.
    The old steam locomotives, which expanded our transportation, and helped develop our country. This is one example. They didn’t even have computer programed machines to use in the manufacturing process. The wrong math???

    • Buyerbwear

      Amen!

  • Rob Price

    Common Core is a SHAM!! Common sense is more attuned to our students needs more than this “crap”. Go back to the basics and let the kids decide where their individual talents in school will lead them. Teachers are “guides” to help our children, not it instill their personal preferences or political agenda on our kids. Keep your opinions to yourselves and teach our kids what they need, NOT what the bureaucrats want you to teach them! Patriotism, love of country, morals, economics, personal responsibility, these are needed much more than this “leftist” CommonCore crap!!
    Values, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, ethics, aren’t worthy of instruction in our public schools? And the truth of these topics, NOT the fabricated history of the government manufactured text books!

    • Buyerbwear

      Unfortunately, if the teachers actually taught, they would lose their jobs. Before every math lesson, I give my son a sheet of math facts and time him on them (90 problems to a page, depending on whether it’s simple multiplication facts or reducing fractions to mixed numbers, 3 to 5 minutes to complete). This would be unheard of in schools today. Everything has to be touchy-feely, including math an science. I got tired of it; after 4th grade, I decided to home school–now I can teach him math, science, language arts, history, music, Latin, etc., along with how to prepare meals, keep a house, pump his own gas, and a host of other life skills he will need. Obviously, the main objective of Common Core is to churn out human beings who will be completely dependent on government to tell them what to do, how to live, what to think/believe.

      • John W Benedict

        …And balance a check book… something the government DOESN’T know how to do itself. Your doing great, congratulations.

  • gypsy314

    Common core is liberal socialist views of there idiot ways. demand all democrats and there stupid liberal ways go back to Europe with Obama and crooks.

    • charles moore

      “there stupid liberal ways”. I think you mean “their”.

      • gypsy314

        What difference does it make as Hillary stated . Are the spelling police I know you must be a liberal must control everything.

        • David in Dallas

          I am a spelling and grammar Nazi. In a thread that purports to be declaiming against “dumbing down” our schools, is it too much as ask that people show that they had a better education themselves?

          • gypsy314

            Like I said a liberal democrat. Spell on nazi

      • John W Benedict

        You are absolutely right ‘charles’, and her sentence structure is grammatically incorrect, also… BUT ‘gypsy’ is 100% correct in her assessment of, and her passion against, common core! Don’t you see that?

      • Gracye

        Ya Know, People who point out spelling errors usually have low self esteem. They have to point at others, to make them selves feel good.

      • wanda faye rigdon

        the only thing that a liberal loon knows how and what to do when someone is Right on the Money about a Subject is to Attack the person on Their spelling Mistake ! Jesus how Pathetic

  • Moke

    I looked at my granddaughter’s homework and it was ridiculous how they were told to solve problems!

  • Jeffersonian

    I’m a civil engineer, mom, small business owner, and homeschool parent for my 5 yr old. If my kids brought this home, I would have wrote something similar, but a few “morons” and “political buffoons” thrown in with it. I don’t have time to be teaching my children, however, I will make the time and live on half the sleep so long as they continue to dumb down the basics! They are trying to teach the kids how to do it the lazy way, by not memorizing the addition or subtraction cards/tables that we had to learn. Unless we want kids to count with their fingers and toes when they turn 18, then we need to end this ridiculous Common Core! It’s a process of dumbing down our children, and when they graduate into the real world they will look like complete idiots (unless parents demand this insanity to end). Only children whose parents demanded more from their kids will be able to go on and obtain careers in high-paying fields like science, engineering, and medicine.

    • garysvent

      Had to dumb down the curriculum … the teachers weren’t smart enough to teach the old ways.

      We can’t have the kids smarter than the teachers now, can we? This explains why they are so dead set against home schooling — the hone schooled kids out rank the government schooled kids every time.

  • Buyerbwear

    I am homeschooling my 12-year-old son currently using Saxon math 7/6. My youngest sister used Saxon math for her 3 sons–the eldest is in his senior year in college working on a petroleum engineering degree, the middle son graduated last year from the Coast Guard Academy with honors with a civil engineering degree (currently in flight school to fly helicopters) and the third son just entered college this year and is likely to earn an engineering degree, possibly in civil engineering. None of these boys would have achieved what they have so far using this STUPID Common Core program. It almost seems that the powers that be are intentionally dumbing down this generation, setting them up for failure. Why? Makes absolutely no sense.

    • Ann Wilson

      Good for you Buyer! Keep up the good work. I home schooled with the Becca Program. My Son spent 5 years in the Navy. At the Navy Graduation I was escorted by an Admiral to the front seat because my Son graduated #1 in academics out of over 700 recruits. He is now in his final year at a major university preparing for Medical School paid for through his Navy Service.

    • John Douglas

      Well of course not, your mistake is thinking this program is based on logic, reason and common sense.

      The purpose is to destroy our youth:
      “The belief in a perfect future inevitably inspires a passionate (and otherwise inexplicable) hatred towards the imperfect present. The first agenda of social
      redeemers is to dismantle the existing social order, which means their intellectual and political energies are focused on the work of destruction.”
      David Horowitz – Progressives, Volume II of The Black Book of the American Left.

    • gloria

      God bless you for your the great contribution to society that children are. The public schools and colleges are turning out dumbed down, mind numbed liberals by the millions to assure that they have Democrat voters. An educated public would never vote for fatherless, sons of slut scum bags like obama and the clintons. This is not a grammatical error, I just did not capitalize their names because I have no respect for them.

    • John

      C-O-N-T-R-O-L!

      PEOPLE CONTROL!

      ELIMINATE THE ONLY COUNTRY, AMERICA, CAPABLE OF KEEPING A GLOBAL SHIFT TO A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT FROM HAPPENING!

    • Steve

      As a math teacher for 32 years, I am glad to see someone else who appreciates the Saxon math book. These are the best math books EVER!! When my district was using these our scores were out the roof!! Unfortunately we weren’t able to keep them because “those in charge, that had never taught a day of their life in a math classroom” thought there were something better. Now everything is headed down hill. Now common core comes along and the crap continues. The garbage I and my fellow teachers have to put up with now is almost unbearable. Three more years of this crap (when I hit 62) and I am out. Please don’t blame the teachers for common core, most of us don’t want it either!!

      • Buyerbwear

        Hang in there, Steve. I don’t blame the teachers (well, not all of them anyway). I volunteered to be a homeroom mom in 4 of the grades my son was in while in brick & mortar. His last year, 4th grade, one of his teachers asked me one day what we planned to “do for next year.” I was hesitant to answer, and was shocked when she asked, “Are you going to home school?” Then, even more shockingly, she said, “I think you should; you’d be good at it.” I almost fell off the chair. My son would have been introduced to Common Core this year. NOT A CHANCE. I feel for those teachers who are having to slog through teaching this mind-numbing curriculum. It’s bad enough too many of the basics have been shunned for new this and new that (i.e., diagramming sentences, Saxon math, to name a few). Unfortunately, the kids going through this today will reap the benefits of this program in their adult lives, God help them all.

  • cae973

    As a senior citizen I remember when high schools taught a class called Civics that actually explained how our government works. That class is no longer taught because they don’t want people knowing how the government is supposed to work!

  • DieHardPatriot

    After seeing what Common Core is about…I have come to this conclusion. Common Core is like all students being told to put on blue jeans and upper outer wear backwards first…then the underwear facing the front…and sit on a comode and do their business in the same amount of time if their clothes were on correctly. I suppose what is next is that all students will be required to wear skirts and sweaters and nothing else so they won’t have the excuse of not gettin er done in a shorter period of time when they have to make their deposits in the comode. Typical Nazi-communist thinking. Maybe that is why Obama and the democrats can’t do a budget and do not look at what they spend and where ….. they don’t have the brains to know better!

    • ranchdancer

      Thanks for this link. It’s is one of the best and easy to follow videos I have seen. I am passing it on to those in my community who are fighting the implementation of Common Core here in Ma.

  • gloria

    I know a teacher who heads the science dept at his high school and is the school improvement chair. A year or two ago, before anyone knew about this national take over of education, he was sent to a conference where they did a sales job on everyone. He thought it was part of the school improvement curriculum.. At the time he had no idea that it was a law that passed behind obama’s iron curtain. I sent him some of the articles and a talk given at Hillsdale College;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2npftyFvkWo&feature=youtu.be&t=5m49s . As he looked into it and learned more about what it is, he is now totally opposed to it. Unfortunately it is law. Help educate your local educators and legistators. They are being brain washed by the teachers unions.

  • Bo_Kassa

    Look at the history books if you want a real laugh. I’ve been told that it is full ofIslamic BS. If my kids were still in school they would be home schooled. Even a number of parochial schools have adopted this indoctrinational propaganda.

  • robert

    we the people,who are the real government.homeschool your children,because this common core is socialism.thats why,ovomit/satan and his unconstitituional administration are trying to brain wash our children,so they can be easily lead around like a heard of sheep.fight common core,and ovomits group the muslum brotherhood,we already have muslums in ovomits administration,and the brotherhood have been to the wh more then once.read the book the muslum mafia.islam is an idealogy not a religion,and join us in Washington dc on may 16,2014 for oas{operation American spring}god bless American veterans/citizens

    • shrtwvlstnr

      Who taught you grammatical spelling? What’s an “ovomit”? Why don’t sentences start with a capital letter? Why isn’t there a space between sentences?

      • ranchdancer

        I am betting Robert, that you are one of the country’s cultural elites. A liberal, who needs to feel superior by downgrading someone else’s communication skills, because you don’t like the message.

        • Alex M

          In a thread purportedly about lowering of educational standards compared with the good old days, and the superiority of homeschooling, wouldn’t it be a good idea to demonstrate that by exemplary display of better grammar and spelling? It would help deflect any possible charges of hypocrisy, or stone throwing from inside a glass house.

  • dave

    This common core crap is made to be hard so the kids cant figure it out. Then the schools can say the kids can’t concentrate, and should be on ritalin. It’s an excuse to put these kids on mind altering drugs.

  • Bos95

    Who was the idiot who created Common Core? What is his/her background? They took what was simple math and made it 10x harder.

    • Linda Patterson

      Continuing the dumbing down of American kids, Our kids will never be able to compete on the world market because they have no idea of what to do or how to do it, My daughter was an outstanding educator for 25 years and tried this for one year, decided that she could not do this to her kids so she quit. Out of 25 teachers in the school she taught in 7 left in one year and they were the seven best.

      • http://www.grizzlymom.com/ grizzlymom

        Those who left should start their own network for homeschoolers.

        • Linda Patterson

          Both of her son’s have been homeschooled from day one, The oldest is in college and is maintaining a 4.0 grade point average, runs his own business and is taking flying lesson’s to prepare for his career. The youngest is a nationally ranked gymnast who will compete in the Junior Olympic’s in Long Beach, Cal. in May, Homeschooling is the only way kids are going to get any education at this point. So I will take homeschooling over Common Core anyday of the week. I have a friend who adopted a crack baby, they told them he would never walk, talk or do anything that a child should do, he has been home schooled and in the fall will start in high school with regular kids.

          • http://www.grizzlymom.com/ grizzlymom

            Awesome stories! All a reminder that there’s still hope.

    • FRED1953

      Idiots would be more than likely and they’re probably graduates from “teacher’s colleges” and they’re probably still searching for an outcome.

  • huntermoonsong

    So, can anyone tell me what is wrong? Also, what is the answer?

  • Cali Girl

    My observations:

    1. When answering a word problem, a student always needs to determine “What is the question being asked? What answer am I supposed to be finding?” The question here isn’t actually “What is 427 minus 316?”. The answer to that is “111”. But if the student answered that, it would be marked incorrect.

    2. The question isn’t even merely “What did Jack do wrong?”. That would be
    a legitimate mathematical exercise—look at someone else’s work, check it over,
    find the error, recalculate, and come up with the correct answer. Engineers and scientists do that all the time, and students should learn that skill.

    3. The actual directive to the student is “Write a letter to Jack”. Say what? This is math class, not English composition! And to make sure that it is a letter (not just an explanation), the answer space starts out with “Dear _________________ ,”. (How many points are taken off if the students launches into an answer, and forgets to fill in Jack’s name?)

    4. The student is further admonished to maintain Jack’s self-esteem. First the letter must “tell him what he did right”. After that, don’t tell him he did something wrong—he just needs to “fix his mistake”.

    5. And why is Jack counting backwards on a number line, anyway?? (“Because
    he doesn’t have enough fingers.”) The whole point of math is that we don’t have to count on our fingers (or number lines) to get the answer. We can use arithmetic—addition and subtraction, instead of the “skip-counting” that seems to be such a big deal in Common Core. I have previously seen example word problems that could be solved by addition, multiplication, even Greatest Common Factor—but in each one, the student was directed to “skip-count” to the answer (and then, to
    explain in words how he did it).

    If we were trying to make kids hate math, this would be a very effective way to do it. Solve the problem? You fail—that wasn’t what we asked. Use efficient mathematics? That’s not the method we wanted—no credit. Fix the mistake? Not good enough—we want you to build good social communication skills. A kid who
    loves math and is good at it will be confused, then get frustrated, and finally
    just give up.

    • Alex M

      There is no need to over-analyze the exercise. Writing the letter to Jack isn’t about English composition ; the surest test of whether you understand something is if you can explain it to someone else.

      The student’s understanding here is being tested by (i) showing that he can identify the error in the scheme shown, and (ii) that he can explain both the error, and the correct procedure, to someone else. ‘Jack’ is only a proxy for the teacher.

      • David in Dallas

        Keep trying. You’ll never convince me (or most on this forum) that there is any sense in that question, nor much of it in the process depicted in it. Instead of drawing different-sized humps, why not do it with values?
        427
        -100
        ____
        327
        – 10
        ____
        317
        – 1
        ____
        316

        100 + 10 + 1 = 111

        • Alex M

          That’s one way to approach it. But it misses out on the incredibly powerful reinforcement value of pictorial imaging. I’m a strong believer in reinforcing ideas in mathematics with visual imagery. For example, students who struggle with the concept of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in linear algebra, find geometric representations easy to grasp, and understand much more readily what an eigenvector is. From there, it’s much easier to extend that understanding to higher order vector spaces where there’s less scope for visualisation.

          • MildBill

            WTH is visualisation ? . . . La Visualisation Creatrice has nothing to do with the subject at hand. . . Perhaps some rote memorization could be useful, no ?

          • Alex M

            Some concepts in mathematics can be tricky to understand, and being able to see something, like a two- or three- dimensional representation, can help a lot. Mathematical objects are not limited to three dimensions, and can exist in higher numbered dimensions. It can be very hard to understand what’s going on in such cases, but being able to see or ‘visualize’ an example of the concept in a smaller number of dimensions can really help to get to grips with the more difficult problems.

            For example, some common problems in industry and commerce are solved using mathematical objects that exist in more than three dimensions, sometimes scores and hundreds. It’s almost impossible (well, for me anyway) to visualize what a five-hundred dimensional object looks like, but I can visualize what a three-dimensional one looks like. And once I can see, geomatrically, how a 3-D object is ‘navigated’ to solve the problem, I can see how the principle extends to higher dimensions.

            That’s not the kind of problem that a schoolchild will be faced with, but the process of ‘visualization’ is too educationally useful to be left out. The subject at hand here is computation, and visualization has everything to do with it.

            It’s a ruler. That’s all it is. Looking at addition and subtraction along the length of a ruler, by going up units, and down units.

            How in the name of all that’s holy can there be people who claim to be engineers yet profess to be baffled by a ruler with numbers on?

          • MildBill

            How on earth can a “Mathematician” tout the “abacus” of math as being trendy ? . . . I make no claim to mathematical genius, and limit myself to 5 axis machining functions on my mills that have that capability. . . That seems to suffice for flight simulators and some of our more technical manufacturing processes. . . .I think the development of logical/practical mathematics would be better served by teaching young folks to play poker, where the “cause and effect” theory has more impact. . . . I do not totally disagree with the method you describe, just that individuals are wired differently and can employ various methods of achieving the correct answer mathematically and “common core” does not seem to recognize, nor address this phenomenon.

          • Alex M

            Trendiness has nothing to do with it. Teaching mathematics in a way that develops understanding over mere memory-recall is the issue here. If people are “wired differently”, it seems incongruous to posit rote learning as a one-size-fits-all panacea.

          • MildBill

            Just on that note, perhaps we should return to the use of Roman Numerals for numerical display as that would seem to align more credibly with CC and promote the value of “placement” in numbers far better than our current system. . . I’m not sure what the Roman Numeral is for fractions nor for billions or quadrillions, but I am sure something could be worked out.

          • Alex M

            Did you hear about the Roman who walked into a bar, held up two fingers, and said ‘Five beers, please!’ ?

            Don’t see it catching on, though, for things like text messaging.

            ‘C U LVIIIR’ doesn’t quite get there, does it?

          • Mark Robn

            I can visualize what a 500 dimensional object looks like in the real world, where I live. I don’t need a computer to generate an imaginary model using imaginary numbers, for which there is no real application in the real world. I know what a sphere would look like in the 3 dimensional reality we all live in.

          • Alex M

            If you don’t think there’s a real application in the real world for imaginary numbers, you’re clearly not an electronics engineer, among other things.

          • Mark Robn

            The application of imaginary numbers provide two things:

            1) a shortcut for a real-world application involving sea navigation and, as you said, computer engineering.

            and

            2) as a device for deriving a number that defies reality

            It is the second application that I was referring to, because the context of the article is that Common Core teaches a system of “what ifs” and reality-defying mathematics.

            The bottom line: I can get the answer to the above problem, and show where “Jack” made his mistake, just like the Engineer did, in the above article, which is the context of our dialogue, which is the context I am commenting in.

            Hence: the square root of negative 1 is not a “real” number, it is merely a shortcut for mathematicians to either use for (1) above or to “prove” theories that don’t pan out in the real world (2).

            I hope that helps you to understand, Alex.

          • Alex M

            I am glad you have discovered that Google is your friend, and that there really are real applications in the real world for imaginary numbers.

            Perhaps you can discover applications for the next order of imaginary numbers beyond the merely complex.

          • Mark Robn

            You don’t listen when other people talk.

          • Alex M

            I always listen when other people talk. I don’t always agree with what they say, but that’s a different thing. As I’m sure you’ll recognize.

        • Mark Robn

          Why not do it the way the female engineer did it, above? — arithmetic. — that frees up the remainder of time for you to write a poignant response to this ridiculous, absurd “math essay” question.

    • Mark Robn

      And to all you “math philosophers” and retired Russian math professors out there, may I remind you that this comment, above, was brought to you, supposedly, by a girl ! – in California ! — I couldn’t have said it better myself, cali girl. Great post! What you said is precisely, exactly the root issue to the problem.

  • AppraisHer

    Dog Eater’s idea of “education inequality”, a concerted effort to dumb down American kids, so they aren’t competitive in the real world. In another generation, if not sooner, our kids be as stupid and primitive and a villager in Kenya or a kid in Detroit, what better way for the Dog Eater to assure that America’s long success stops with him…intentionally educate our kids to be stupid.

    The destruction of America, continues unabated and allowed by disinterested parents.

  • ONTIME

    Where did 316 come from?….math is a language not a mystery…

    • Outlawit .

      Do ya suppose their shooting at the bible.
      With 316 that’s what pops in my feeble mind.

  • Snoopy

    What idiot came up with this crap? 427 – 316 = 111! PERIOD! What numbscull could possibly come up with another answer?

    • MildBill

      Next they will have school kids reading from right to left so all this has a happy ending !

  • Sam

    We have commie core because of the communists in power right now. They work to confuse, distract, and cause anxiety to a nation while they go behind our backs and dismantle our country. I hope and pray that obama and every demoncrap is punished for what they have done. This includes the demoncrap voters. Curse them all.

  • UnCL3

    We need AR2.
    BEFORE we lose the country altogether.

  • Michael Lee Pemberton

    The equation 427-316 does yield 111. The printed numbers below the number line, however, go from 121 to 427. The last three increments are correctly identified as hundreds, but the first six are ones and not tens; 127-121=6. The equation should read 427- 306 = 121 per the number line. If the original task was to graphically represent the answer to the equation 427-316= ___ using a number line, the number line is missing an increment resenting the number ten. Something is amiss with the question or the number line. This number line seems an even cruder method than using an abacas, and is more appropriate to explaining negative numbers. Common Core New Math confuses more than it explains.

    • MildBill

      This is why the average kid at the drive up window can’t make change ! . . . Ask any of them “How many pairs of two’s are in a dozen ?” . . They just stare at you, and haven’t a clue what you are talking about. . . .99% that answer, say 6 !

    • Alex M

      The purpose behind the number line scheme is to show why the shortcuts we commonly use — such as the subtraction written out by the parent in the answer — really work. Understanding this conceptually leads to gains later in the education process when things start to get more complex.

      There are several ways to have solved this. To subtract 316, the simplest way would be to take three ‘100’ sized hops to the left, then a ’10’ hop, then six ‘1’ hops.

      ‘Jack’ gets the first part right with the ‘100’ sized hops, but then takes a hop of ’20’ (getting himself to 107 instead of 117), followed by five hops of ’10’, getting him to 57. Jack’s answer demonstrates a common error in subtraction, that of recognizing place-values.

  • http://www.grizzlymom.com/ grizzlymom

    The point is to preserve Jack’s self-esteem. No matter that he can’t do simple mathematics (all those tolerance and diversity classes have to replace something in the curriculum). Common core just doesn’t want him to feel bad about it.

    • Alex M

      Jack’s fictional. He can’t lack self-esteem.

  • http://www.grizzlymom.com/ grizzlymom

    The messiah has admitted with an arrogant grin that he was never good in math (or probably in anything else either), so, like all good narcissists, he just wants to make sure that no one will be better than he was/is either.

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Perhaps the National Education Association should just “hop” right out of the terrible Common Core that has been initiated in 30 some states already. What confused minds the children will have. What is wrong with the old-fashioned, one-room schoolhouse methods of teaching the three “R’s” with repetition as the basis? Reading out loud and having slower students listen to those who might catch on a bit faster have always been meaningful in the classroom. Whole language approach is not good, either. Basics instead of sex ed. and other unnecessary teachings in the school would be the greatest gifts to our children.

    • Alex M

      Repetition, or rote learning, is poor education. Rote learning is based on memory, not intelligence, and memory is not a reliable proxy for intelligence. There are better teaching methods, such as associative learning and critical thinking, which develop intelligence-lead learning. Though rote learning can have a place, learning really needs context, and rote learning doesn’t lend itself to context. If you’ve learned something by rote, but don’t understand it, it’s difficult to impossible to transfer that kind of learning to other situations, and that’s a really important skill to have.

      • SeaDragon

        Really? Gee I never knew that. Poor old me, I spent 4th grade memorizing my “times tables”, then started learning about different base systems (binary, octal, hexadecimal, etc.) and understood quicker because I could do a great deal of the math in my head. Same thing with learning vocabulary, which helped reading, which really helped in college, Chemical Engineering. But I never realized that my Rote Education was so bad for me.
        Maybe if teachers were expected to know their subjects instead of how to lay out a bulletin board “Common Core” wouldn’t have come about. I can just imagine what my 4th grade teacher would have to say about Common Core. It wouldn’t be pretty, but it would be intelligent enough that the ones who developed CC probably wouldn’t understand it.

        • Alex M

          Rote learning has a place, but it’s just not that great a place. Learning times tables by rote, as I did as a boy, can fix some things in the memory, as a kick-starter, but by and large, memory’s all it works on. For example, a child can learn 6×8 by rote, but this is known to be the source one of the commonest errors in rote-learned arithmetic. Another is 7×8. I remember as a child, when coming to these in a calculation, having to mentally rewind to 6×6 or 6×7 to pick up the ‘cadence’ of the rote repetition in my head to get to the right answer, and similarly rewinding to 7×7 to pick up the cadence of the ‘chant’. Most people didn’t even do this, but just got the wrong answer instead. Rote learning doesn’t lead the child to figuring out that 6×8 can be seen as 6×2, which is easy, then doubled to get 6×4, and doubled again to get 6×8. Without recognizing this kind of relationship in numbers, a child can be prone to errors without knowing it or knowing how to check, being persuaded of a wrong answer merely because of a hiccup in memory.

          My mental arithmetic is less on rote, and more on other methods of calculation, that are faster and surer. If I were calculating 26^2, for instance, I’d recognize that as (25+1)^2, and numbers ending in 5 can be squared easily by a very simple rule, then the squaring completed by adding 1 term then twice 25, to get 676. Squaring a decimal like 2.6 is worked out the same way, mentally calculating as 26^2 above then the point value shifted twice to get 6.76. I use primarily the Trachtenberg scheme, which is much faster and surer than rote schemes, and allows much larger products and quotients to be calculated quickly in the head.

          Some people are precociously good at arithmetic, and rote can work easily for them, but most are not. Rote can be boring, which is a real turn-off in arithmetic classes, but intelligence led methods can be far more interesting and intuitively easy to grasp, therefore easier to apply.

          • Aday

            I agree with you Alex. I was never able to memorize my time tables. Yet as long as I knew the lower numbers and how to get the answer. I was still able to pass that test and even with time left. Sense for us there was a time limit on how long you had to finish the test.

        • MildBill

          This is to subliminally insert yet another “change of values” into the new system rendering one more aspect of parental knowledge and guidance irrelevant. . . . It is easier to control and herd a generation that has a different set of values than previous generations. . . . There will be well placed trolls to explain the virtues of this new system and I fear if we keep advancing Math in this fashion little Johnny will become a senior who has to count on his fingers and toes for the more complex math requirements. . . . Every aspect of our society is under attack and who better to attack than our young developing minds to better form the “ideal citizenry” of the future ? . . . By intelligent design math is to simplify the complicated, NOT complicate the simple. . . Anyone touting this “Common Core” fuzzy math needs to be watched closely at all times. . . . Ironically the new age parental role and responsibility is “debriefing” that which is taught in our public school system.

      • daisykmt

        4lifeandfreedom’s answer was part of the success I experienced in elementary school. Went on to get a Master’s degree from Harding University—U.S. News/World Report ranked #5 best value regional university and #22 among regional universities of the South—and then taught in public schools for 34 years. Prospective teachers line up to teach at my school because of its positive environment and high test scores. You get the basic foundational mechanics down in order to build and go contextually to higher orders of that applied learning. Simple as that.

        • Alex M

          I can’t and wouldn’t dispute the value of that old saw, that genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration, and that hard work has its own rewards. But individual cases — and there are some being presented here of real merit — don’t constitute a general rule. Understanding works better than rote in the longer educational term. You can learn a whole list of function derivatives in mathematics, but if you don’t know how to evaluate the limits of a function, you’ll not be able to determine the derivative of an unknown function by applying rote recall.

      • MildBill

        The same Rote process can be applied in principle to spelling. . . Why learn the repetitious applications of “rules for spelling” when we can just refigure out the spelling of each and every word in the English language. . . I believe we already have this system in place. . . It’s called Ebonics !

        • Alex M

          If rote learning worked so well for spelling, why are there so many mis-spelled words on this page?

          • MildBill

            I dun’t kno. . . . . One thing for sure is that if Common Core methodology were employed in this thread, people would be typing with their toes ! . . . “New” and “diverse” is not ALWAYS a good thing. . . . “Tried and true” works for me !

          • Alex M

            There are lots of things that have stood the test of time, and it would be folly to discard them willy-nilly.

            ‘Mis-spelled’ may be hyphenated or unhyphenated. It is a matter of preference, not a matter of formal orthography.

          • MildBill

            NOT ! . . . . But if it makes you feel better, I will acquiesce.

          • David in Dallas

            I agree that there are lots of things that have stood the test of time: memorization of the multiplication and addition tables is one of them, the concepts of “carrying” and “borrowing” (if taught properly as working with the adjacent power of 10) are others. This methodology has worked for hundreds of years, is simple, and easily taught (I learned it, after all)–why muddy it up?

          • Alex M

            Memorization of multiplications tables isn’t one of them. It does work in patches, but people still have problems with certain multiplications, like 6×8 and 7×8. People make mistakes here because rote depends on memory only, not understanding, and this leads to propagation of errors. I regularly hear people, sometimes even adults, say things like ‘six eights are fifty-two’, and haven’t the sense of number ‘feel’ to know when it’s wrong, because they’ve mis-remembered the classroom chant and depend on it. Carries and borrows are precisely one of the areas people have greatest difficulties with, and whilst you can and do master them, they’re not intuitive to a novice at school. Learning number relations and scales on a number line isn’t muddying anything, it’s aiding understanding. Nor does familiarity with the number line stop there — it’s a concept that goes right through mathematics and into areas like complex numbers, with the introduction of the real number line and the imaginary number line.

      • MildBill

        Pretty tricky. . . . Sign out and give yourself a guest vote ! . . . WOW, that’s desperation for you ! . . . Not true ? . . Well sign out now and give yourself a guest vote and you should have two when I look next time.

        • Alex M

          Eh?

          • MildBill

            Quite the coy one aren’t you. . . . I’d explain in Common Core language complete with pics, but I don’t have all day. . . . . . I still don’t see two guest votes . . . . . . toe tapping . . . . tap .. tap . .tap !

          • Alex M

            Don’t feel the need to explain anything, even if you did have all day. It probably isn’t important enough, not to me anyway.

          • MildBill

            Awwww. . . . and I thought we were playing so nicely !

          • Alex M

            Oh, my bad. Here, have an up-vote on me.

          • Daniel from TN

            There are problems with Common Core in every academic area, not just Math. Here’s one I’ll bet you are not aware of.
            Under Common Core graphic, hard core, woman debasing pornography is REQUIRED reading for high school students as a part of diversity/sensitivity training.

          • MildBill

            Sounds like Pre Islam induction training to me !

      • Daniel from TN

        You’re looking at education from the end of the objective, not the beginning. ALL learning begins with some sort of rote memory. Context learning occurs AFTER memory and is a skill that also must be taught, it is NOT something students acquire automatically.

        • Alex M

          There’s a place for rote learning, which I’ve already acknowledged. It’s a starting point. But what’s odd here is the number of people who think it’s the ending point too, who want to abandon progressive educational methods and return to rote learning itself, because it’s what they remember and are familiar with.

          There are people claiming degrees in civil engineering and the like, or the mother in the article claiming a degree in electrical engineering, saying they themselves do not understand the number line concept in this piece of homework.

          Engineering degree holders who cannot recognize a ruler? Good grief. That’s all the number line is, a ruler! You take a point on a ruler, and go right to add a distance, and left to subtract a distance. If these people cannot recognize a ruler, they need to go back to their college or university, and demand their money back.

          Doesn’t anybody watch a carpenter or joiner at work? I’d one do some work for me recently, and I watched him measure things out, using a ruler, and marking points and going forward distances, then back distances, and making sure he used the ‘measure twice, cut once’ principle, with a long wooden number line.

          It really is an easy concept. Yet the harbingers of doom who are stuck in the fifties and sixties, have this simple and effective technique presaging the appearance of black helicopters and the abduction of children to transform the country into a communist state. Bizarre.

          • NCYankee101

            Alex – a lot of what you say makes sense, but not many people are going to want to take the time to understand,

            Long ago when I took calculus and physics, I used to like to learn how to derive the equations we used to solve problems. That way if I wasn’t sure of a problem, I could go back to the basics = such as f=m*a – and derive the correct equation, rather than memorizing and plugging in variables.

    • Daniel from TN

      There is a collective term used to describe people who learned how to read using the whole language approach. That term is ILLITERATE.

  • silverandgoldisrealmoney

    Common Core is to dumb down anyone taught by that method. It is completely fuk’d! The people who brought this into the education system all need to be fired. No wonder to far east countries are taking over.

  • Jay Star

    They do not want simple. Its pathetic when a register breaks down and the cashier cannot give the customer their change because they cannot add or subtract without help from a machine.

  • Matthew Dec

    Common Core is designed to do one thing – make idiots of children who are then easily controlled.

  • Gabby354

    Flash cards and phonics is the best way to LEARN and UNDERSTAND what the hell is going on!!!! My son, now 43, was taught by rote and was failing miserably. They FINALLY started him on phonics and he did fine.

  • Sylvester Jones

    Sounds lik hoked on phonics tou mee.

    • MildBill

      . . . . . . Or, Huukt onn Maathe Eebonniks ! . . .or is it Ebbonix . . .it just doesn’t matter !

  • disqus_Eh7aK6ca5A

    Common Core is B.S. I love this response. Right on, Angry Mom with the engineering degree! That’s how I would have solved that scribble scrabble! Ridiculous! Kids should be able to arrive at the answer however they can, not using this crap!

    • Alex M

      I think what’s being overlooked here is that the particular example used above is notionally very simple, and can be done in seconds by an adult experienced in counting. Had it been set, however, as 427 – 328 instead of 427 – 316, there would have been a trickier concept introduced, that of the carry. That’s a concept that gives rise to interpretation problems for arithmetic novices, since it introduces the possibility of place value errors, and multiple carries, with the concept, tricky for a tyro, of ‘add ten to the top line and one to the bottom line’. The number line scheme makes it far clearer what’s happening when a larger digit is subtracted from a smaller digit.

      Too many are concentrating on the specific example here, and missing the bigger pedagogical picture.

      • VoteLiberty2014

        I call BS. But you are probably a unionized fascist teacher who needs some excuse to make your degree comparable to an engineer’s. Sorry, your PhD teaching degree doesn’t stack with a bachelor’s degrees that require real abstract thought. No goofy embellishment on centuries of standard applied techniques will put you on par with an engineer or an M.D. Instead of ruining education, and our children, with slight of hand and rainbow unicorn farts, maybe you should have partied less and worked harder when you were in college. But no, instead you prigs foist this junk on America’s children just to make yourself appear sophisticated. Talk about self-serving villainy, this is it, right here!

        • Alex M

          “But you are probably a unionized fascist teacher who needs some excuse to make your degree comparable to an engineer’s.”

          No marks for perspicacity and powers of inferential logic. I am none of these.

          “Sorry, your PhD teaching degree doesn’t stack with a bachelor’s degrees”

          I am a mathematician, specializing in computational mathematics and network systems.

          • MildBill

            STOP ! . . . You’re scaring the H3ll outa’ me !

          • Alex M

            What’s more, I have a CC permit for a loaded slide-rule, and I’m not afraid to use it.

          • MildBill

            I just pray to GOD that you are not reading the Common Core Safety Guide ! . . . I guess you refer to it as your “Slidearm” ?

          • Alex M

            I’ve learned it by rote, and the safety catch is off!

          • AFSarge

            What the heck is a slide rule? Is it like the bead thingy on wires, I think they call it an abacus?

          • Alex M

            Yea, sort of, it’s like an abacus, with logarithms and stuff. Mine doesn’t need batteries, it’s solar powered. As long as the sun’s shining, I can see the numbers on it.

          • AFSarge

            Cool! LOL I knew you would get that one! My Dad was a carpenter and used one. He tried to teach me how to use it but I never got the hang of it. Then I took up flying and they used a round type of slide rule for all kinds of stuff like weight and balance, navigation, flying time on the amount of gas and more. I just kept a tablet strapped to my leg and did it long hand. It wasn’t as fast as someone who was good at using the slide rule but I had the advantage of being able to recheck my calculations. I never did become a pilot, it got to expensive and I didn’t want to go to collage.
            To show you how funny life can be, I hated math, even though it was my strong subject, I kept thinking, why are we trying to learn all this stuff, I’ll never use it in real life. Well I enlisted in the AF and of all things, I became a Machinist! A job that requires more math and a much higher math than most other jobs. All of it had to be done without the aid of calculators or slides rules when I first started. In fact we have to check the engineering drawings as some of those collage boys can’t get it right.

          • MildBill

            You need one of the 5 axis slide rules with the Morse Taper !

          • AFSarge

            My calculator has the Brown & Sharp Taper with 8 axis so I can do turbo impellers and a lot more! LOL

          • Alex M

            I like slide rules. They take a bit of practice, but once you’ve cracked them, they’re incredibly handy. One of the things I like is that if you’ve been calculating, say, a ratio, then you can see a whole range of identical ratios all the way along the rule, like 6/3, 4/2, 3/1.5, and so on, which you can’t do with a calculator. It also teaches you about the scale of numbers, since you need to get a feel for size in order to place the decimal point in the answer.

            I’d a colleague many years ago who had a circular slide rule, and I thought that really neat, though I still liked my own because I could use it to plot graphs too. Funny how it turns out, though, that those things you thought you’d never need to use, you end up having to get expert in!

          • AFSarge

            Sorry, I’ve been down sick the last few days. I have a friend that collects slide rules. I’m an amateur history buff and love to see how things were done in the past. It amasses me to see how the most difficult things were done with machines and tooling back in WWII. All done without the aid of computers even in to the 70s. I was taught simple math by my Father before I started school. I was able to add and subtract several columns of numbers. I knew how to barrow and carry over numbers and by the second grade I was doing some division. Then sometime about the 5th or 6th grade they introduced New Math. That really messed me up for a while. I was also introduced to phonetic spelling just a year or two earlier. That was you learned to spell the word as it sound with the premise that when you got older it would become easier and faster to spell correctly. (Ex: Because = Becauz School = Skool) It turned out to be a BIG FAIL and if it wasn’t for spell check I would need a dictionary. So I’m always weary of the so called new and better way of teaching. I’m also a firm believer of “If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it” and the KISS System. I can tell you that schools today are too concerned with political and liberal agendas that they shouldn’t be teaching. I see new recruits that can’t do math without a calculator and have absolutely no common seance. Sometimes I wounder how they can breath on their own. It is simple to see why companies are moving over seas and countries like Germany, Japan and China are becoming better at manufacturing than we are. Yes there is more to it like government over regulations but still our kids are getting dumber by the years and our education system.
            Sorry I kind of went over board there, I’ll get off my soap box now. Y’all take care and stay safe!

          • Alex M

            Not to worry, I’ve been out of the country myself for a spell, and just back. I was fortunate not to have to go through the phonetic spelling phase. My teacher friends of the time say it accelerated reading a little, but all the gain was lost when the regular spelling scheme had to be introduced, so it was a waste of time.

          • Daniel from TN

            A slide rule is what was used for decades before the calculator was invented. Even when using a slide rule some knowledge of Math was necessary to get the correct answer. That is not true with calculators.

          • Alex M

            How do you see the difference? Can you do slide-rule trigonometry on a calculator without knowing about trigonometry?

        • Random

          VoteLiberty has launched an ad hominem attack on someone he doesn’t know and has not addressed the issue. As Yogi Berra noted, if you don’t have an education you’ve got to use your brain. VoteLiberty, from his/her silly remarks, has neither. A pity, but not relevant to this discussion.

  • Aleuicius

    Rote learning has it’s place (generally early), as does phonics. The “methods” part of education requiring reform isn’t “THE method” of education, but the proper use and timing of methods – of which there may be many.
    Another reform would be to de-emphasize “academia” and inject some vocational options and examples – and maybe methods (you know – “hands-on”).
    Also, there is the rigid structure embodied in K-12 that should be made more flexible after K-4.
    While curricula may be the same, Homeschooling provides much more of the above by accident than the rigid, control-oriented public system, most of which is designed for the convenience of Administrators and staff – as any public system is.

  • Balcheesius T. Ohuelns

    Here Here!!! Bravo, Bravo!!!

  • Hal Slusher

    Whatever, So your telling us that all those people who for hundreds of years learned and advanced our world needed common core? Will it solve the children leaving High school unable to read their diploma?

    • ranchdancer

      Just think the elimination of cursive hand writing means our next generation won’t be able to READ.. any of our founding father’s ORIGINAL documents which are written in cursive.

      • daisykmt

        All by their design, ranchdancer, all by their design . . . unfortunately.

      • GQ4U

        Why would they read them if they don’t know they exist?
        If anyone makes sense of Common-Core I’ll send them a $3-dollarbill.

        • MyTinyTown

          Who’s face would be on this bill? The one I had, had Bill Clinton’s face. It was awesome and very politically incorrect. I wish I still had some.

          • MildBill

            Originally they tried to put Hitlary’s face on the 3 dollar bill, but it kept rejecting it. . . I guess that’s what they mean by “smart money” !

  • cootie rebel

    HOME SCHOOL HOME SCHOOL HOME SCHOOL

    • http://waryway.com/ Kyle Wiering

      Psst, you got caps lock going full blast. But, I must also add: Been there, done that, proud of it.

  • chiefofcst

    This Common Core is the most ridicules KRAP I have ever seen, and the communists that produced it should be neutered and hung from a tree!!!! Hint…Hint!!!

  • chiefofcst

    We have people that cannot read and write english…now they throw this gibberish at them…shows what the I.Q. is of the teaching system…..in the minus!!!!!

  • Steve

    The learning curve is “in the minus”. Don’t be mad because you’re too stupid to understand it.

  • Mathematician

    Common core helps students see things like a computer programming algorithm. Since our entire society is engulfed in technology, it’s actually extremely useful. God forbid your child might have to learn something more useful in mathematics than just how to do their taxes.

    • http://waryway.com/ Kyle Wiering

      I’m a software developer. In programming it looks like this from the command prompt (in Windows… windows key + r, type in cmd and hit enter):
      echo | set /a 427-316
      111

      Now if you are referring to programming in something like assembler, you’re doing it wrong. A simple explanation about binary operations and stacks later in life suffices.

      • Alex M

        There’s a lot more to algorithms than a DOS box.

        • http://waryway.com/ Kyle Wiering

          I didn’t imply otherwise.

          As for my more obfuscated point… the algorithm used in the picture above is sub-par…

          • Alex M

            The method used in the picture is quite simple, and so easy a child could grasp it.

          • http://waryway.com/ Kyle Wiering

            Exactly my point. This approach is used so a child can grasp subtraction in an almost intuitive manner. Not as a basis for jump starting Programming algorithms. Sure, alternative approaches might get someone thinking outside the box, or they just make a different box.

  • MildBill

    Oklahoma has just introduced a bill, that is expected to pass, striking down Common Core and returning control of the educational system to the state level. . . Reportedly more states are aligning themselves with Oklahoma and will be seeking to also regain control of their state’s educational systems also. . . .This will again inspire competition between various state’s educational systems and REAL educational gains may be realized.

  • Pete

    For the past two decades our public schools have focused upon the intellectual destruction of our children. We have lost two generations. I deal with basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division every day as I calculate contract amounts and payments. Most of the time I do it with pen and paper, no calculator. Not once, over the past 10 years, have my final figures been incorrect. My clients are usually amazed. So am I – at their amazement. Try it yourself. Divide 37 into 26,835 then multiply by 6 and add 45. What do you get? Remember, no calculator allowed.

    • Alex M

      ” Divide 37 into 26,835 then multiply by 6 and add 45. What do you get? Remember, no calculator allowed.”

      4396 and 23/37.

      (I didn’t cheat.)

  • http://waryway.com/ Kyle Wiering

    Please stop saying ‘in the minus’. Subtraction is a perfectly acceptable word in the English language and should be taught to all children before attempting anything like the image pictured above.

  • NCYankee101

    If you read this article it explains more clearly what the basis of this method is

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/07/about-that-common-core-math-problem-making-the-rounds-on-facebook/

    Another blog gives an example of figuring someone’s age who has lived past the turn of a century – me for example. I was born in 1966, there are two ways to get my age. You could set up a long subtraction problem such as 2014 – 1966 and carry all those numbers – or just look at it intuitively, say I lived 34 years before 2000, and 14 since – so am now 34+14 = 48.

    AIt a young age I developed the ability to do simple math in my head. Since I was about 12 I have been able to multiply 2 digit numbers in my head. I basically do this by breaking a problem into components – for example, 39×39 would become (30×39) + (9×39), which becomes (3×39)x10 + ((9×30)+(9×9)) which I could then do in my head. I can do this in less time than it takes to write it down.

    In recent years I developed an even easier and faster way to do certain problems, which appears to be analogous to what they are teaching here. To find 39×39, I would note that it is very close to 40×40, which is 1600. If you realize that 1600 is 40 40’s, you can take one way to make 39 40s, and 39×40 = 1600-40=1560. Now you say that 1,560 is 40 39’s, and you take one away to make 39 39’s : 39×39 = 1560-39 = 1,521. Once you get the hang of it you basically do it in one step – 39×39 = 1600-40-39 = 1,521. Takes 2 seconds.

    I only use this method if the two numbers are close to something round that can be easily calculated. For example, 100×99 would take a little while to do by long multplication – but if you realize that 100×100 = 10,000 (move the decimal place two), take one 100 away and it is 9,900. 2 seconds.

    This of course doesn’t make all problems easier, for example 36×37 is probably easier to do by my first method – but approaching problems from different angles can give you a better grasp on how mathematics works and what it represents than just plugging and chugging numbers in long multiplication or division.

    • Alex M

      The example given in this link is excellent, it really is good. And the thing is, as a way of doing a subtraction, it’s not that new. It used to be second nature for shop assistants.

      How many people of my generation, for instance, notice, when they’re being given change, how the sales assistant counts out the change into your hand? Some count out only the value of the change that’s been displayed on the cash register ; but others count it out by starting from the sale price then going up to the tendered amount.

      The first method is usually those who’re mostly used to using a calculator. The second identifies ‘old school’, someone who knows how to count.

      Those who are promoting rote learning here have, it should be acknowledged, partly the right approach to arithmetic. They’re thinking that children should be taught how to count rather than rely on calculators. That’s something I agree with, I think it’s a fundamental skill. You don’t want to have your ability to count vanish when the batteries run down. Mathematics is not a spectator sport. You have to do it, not watch it. But the best way to get good at it is to understand what it is you’re doing.

      The steps shown in the example above may look laborious, because they’re being played out one at a time, but once the method has been grasped, it becomes much faster and surer in practice.

    • Alex M

      “for example, 39×39 would become (30×39) + (9×39), which becomes (3×39)x10 + ((9×30)+(9×9)) which I could then do in my head. I can do this in less time than it takes to write it down”

      This also is a good example of some that, written down, looks long-winded and awkward, yet is actually easy and logical ; and more to the point, once understood, can be applied to just about any product calculation.

      “36×37 is probably easier to do by my first method”

      I’d use a similar method. In my case, I’d recognize it as 36-squared plus another 36, and two digit squares are easy to do mentally : though it may sound long-winded, it’s easy with a little practice. Working right to left, I’d square the last digit, 6, to get 36, write down the 6 and carry the 3. Multiply the 3 and 6 together then double and add the carry, to get 39, write down the 9 and carry the 3. Square the first digit 3 to get 9 and add the carry 3 for 12. Result, 36^2 = 1296, add the extra 36 to get 1332.

      It’s a method I worked out when I was about ten, before I had any algebra classes, and it’s just applying the expansion of

      (a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2.

      Other useful things are knowing that the square of any two-digit number ending in 5 is found by multiplying the first digit by itself-plus-one, then tacking on 25. So 35^2 is 3×4 = 12 tack on 25 = 1225.

      Being able to spot the potential for these methods is easy with practice. On seeing 46^2, I could either use the first method of directly squaring the digits separately then placing double the cross-product 4×6 in the middle, or I could spot that 46 = 45+1 and calculate (45+1) squared, the 45^2 is instantly 2025, plus 1, plus double 1×45, to get 2116.

      Understanding how these methods work makes it easier to get fluidity into calculations, and they become second nature.

      • Mark Robn

        Wow, Alex, you just proved the mom right with that long winded Algebraic explanation of how to go all the away around a problem before you actually do the work.

        You know how I get the answer to 36×37? First I Multiply the 1s and then, I Multiply the 10s, then I add. I get the right answer the first time, and I don’t use over 200 words to explain how I did it.

        Simple. Right. Done. Next?

        • Alex M

          Your method as described doesn’t work. If you multiply the 1’s (units) then multiply the tens, then add, you get the wrong answer. So did the child I tried it on.

          You need more words to describe your method, and the missing bits.

          Not simple. Not right. Not done.

          Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

          • Mark Robn

            36 x 37 in less than 100 words.

            6 x 7 = 42, drop 2, carry 6(0)

            7 x 3 = 21(0) plus 60, place correctly.

            Multiply by 10 for 30 in 37.

            3 x 6 = 18(0), drop, carry 1(0)

            3 x 3 = 9(0), drop

            Add all together, in order, in line.

            Answer given, basic math — just like in elementary school.

            Less than 100 words.

            Simple. Right. Done. Next?

          • Alex M

            “36 x 37 in less than 100 words.

            6 x 7 = 42, drop 2, carry 6(0)

            7 x 3 = 21(0) plus 60, place correctly.

            Multiply by 10 for 30 in 37.

            3 x 6 = 18(0), drop, carry 1(0)

            3 x 3 = 9(0), drop

            Add all together, in order, in line.

            Answer given, basic math — just like in elementary school.

            Less than 100 words.

            Simple. Right. Done. Next?”

            Oh dear. Your first attempt was wrong. Your second method is different.

            1. It introduces a new notation.
            2. It is inconsistent.
            3. It is confusing.
            4. It has mistakes.
            5. The mistakes have been propagated.
            6. It didn’t work on the child I tried it on.
            7. It is wrong.

            I got the right answer. You didn’t. Twice.

            Didn’t you think to run your methods past an ‘educator’ before committing them to public scrutiny?

            Considering you are apparently promoting ‘traditional’ methods over more modern (‘common core’) methods of calculation, perhaps you should consider re-taking some arithmetic classes.

            Not simple. Not right. Not done.

            Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Go direct to jail, and take remedial classes while there.

          • Mark Robn

            Alex said — Not simple. Not right. Not done.

            Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Go direct to jail (and take remedial classes while there).

            * Typical Russian communist response.

            1. Deny the truth

            2. Take all personal income and property

            3. Throw the smart people in jail.

          • Alex M

            What truth? There was no truth in your responses, you made mistakes, and you got it wrong. Twice. With time to think in between, and still get it wrong.

          • Mark Robn

            I never got it wrong, I never gave an answer — I thought that’s what the original question was, above.
            I knew the answer all along. Who cares what you think anyway? You typed a 500 word essay before I even said anything, and you never gave the answer to your own problem anyway. You just like to argue. Typical.

          • Alex M

            Your method was wrong. It would have given the wrong answer both times.

            My method was right. First time.

            I do, it’s true, like to discuss. That’s why you joined in.

            PS : My response to NCYankee101 was just over 300 words, not 500. Counting is not, it seems, your strong suit.

          • Mark Robn

            Ok allow me to restate and correct what I said, earlier.

            Alex, you don’t discuss. You are a blow hard. You use too many words to say nothing at all that’s true. You are a liar, a deceiver, and frankly, you need to admit to others you are a Russian, this will make it so much more clearer to those who talk to you, because the whole world knows what Russians are all about.

            Your method was so long-winded, and you never gave the answer, I noticed, and you only type things to elicit responses.

            Now, was that unclear? — I don’t need to waste more time talking about this with you. Use 300 words to do your method, take 10 minutes to get there. I don’t care. I can solve it in 10 seconds with paper and pencil, and use the other 9:50 seconds of my life doing things I like doing.

            I don’t like arguing with you about stupid things. The engineer in the article is right, the math question above is not a math question, and it’s typical garbage like this that is ruining the world.

          • Alex M

            Can you point to anything I’ve said that is a lie? (Let’s go with your dictionary definition shall we?)

            I don’t need to admit to being anything. You asked me where I came from, out of what appeared to be friendly conversation, and I told you roughly where I was born. Are you a racist?

            You keep calling me a Russian and a communist. Why do you do that?

            I did give the answer, Mark, and it seems you have still not read it. Let me quote the bit that contained the answer. “Result, 36^2 = 1296, add the extra 36 to get 1332.” Anybody can see it, right there on the page.

            Except, apparently, you.

            (Tangentially, the way we worked it out was almost the same : you calculated 30 36’s and added 7 36’s ; I calculated 36 36’s and added 1 36. My method worked, yours took three attempts.)

            As to the “engineer” in the article above, all she did was confess she couldn’t read numbers off a ruler. Really.

          • Mark Robn

            Since you can’t read, allow me to put it mathematically:

            3 6
            x 3 7
            ____
            2 5 2
            +1 0 8 0
            _____
            1 3 3 2

            1332 — sorry, I should have known you don’t know how to read English, I should have factored in that you can’t even use a dictionary to define words.

            I apologize for not taking your learning disability into account, Alex. It was unfair of me to try to spell it out for you in English.

            My apologies for being so inconsiderate of Russian genius.

          • Mark Robn

            3 6
            x 3 7
            ____
            2 5 2
            +1 0 8 0
            _____
            1 3 3 2

            I did that twice, in about 10 seconds in my head and on paper. Less than 100 words, no number line needed, no confusion required.

            Simple – right – done. Again.

          • Alex M

            I can read, Mark. The problem was not my reading comprehension, but your writing confusion and several mistakes.

            For example, your wrote that 6 x 7 resulted in what you called “drop 2, carry 6(0)”. There is no carry 6 anywhere in the calculation. You propagated this error later.

            You introduced a notation with numbers in brackets, without explaining what they meant. You used the same notation to calculate a hundreds figure when logically that notation should have become (00).

            3 x 6 = 18(0) is not the same order as 3 x 3 = 9(0), since this latter figure is 900, not 90. This confused the child who thought the notation for 18(0) was the same as 9(0). Place value error on your part.

            You wrote “Multiply by 10 for 30 in 37″, a term that has no discernible meaning and which confused a child, to whom this kind of tuition is addressed.

            You managed to get the right answer, on the third attempt.

            Well done. At last. You can have a little red star.

            Please don’t consider teaching as a career.

            Children deserve better.

          • Alex M

            No number line needed. Of course. Maybe that’s because the number line is used in teaching addition and subtraction, and this is multiplication.

  • http://www.mattrowleyguitars.com MattStratt

    The school planners all over the world have turned our children (well, not MINE, but you know what I mean :-) ) into a bunch of whimpering retards. Anything deemed “too difficult” is sidelined by so called “intellectual free thinkers” in order to accommodate the “feelings” of learners. Schools have become mindless baby-sitters and kids are entering the real world, not knowing how to function outside of their cotton-wool cocoons. (Whoops!! I said COONS! Someone slap my wrist! QUICK!) In England, they have banned the use of red pens to mark test papers, as they feel it is “too intimidating” for kids who answer incorrectly – how RIDICULOUS is that??? …. and in S. Africa, my home country, the standard of education has dropped by HUGE margins since the black African ANC has been in power, to accommodate legions of half-witted children (of ALL races) so that they can score higher marks at high school and qualify to enter university thereafter. As a result, ALL of the school leavers here are leaving high schools where it is acceptable to score 40% averages in order to attain a college degree.there was a time when my country was producing some of the top graduates in their fields, with degrees highly regarded and respected all over the world… now, the masses are leaving tertiary education facilities with mickey mouse certificates in “psychology” and “counseling” Social Sciences etc. No more Engineers, Medics, Scientists, Business Scientists and things people the country really needs! What is WRONG with these people??? Another thing they have done is to remove corporal punishment from our schools. Now, call me old fashioned, but I have to say that the old adage ” If we cannot get it into the top, we shall whack it in through the bottom”, certainly didn’t do me, or any of my peers any harm at all. the old systems (including compulsory service in the defense forces) taught us respect for elders and authority, discipline, good manners and sound work ethics. My grandmother used to say ” If it’s not broken, don’t fix it!” Our children are being so badly hindered by this new age bollocks approach to education, that I fear for their futures. I pity them.

    • Mark Robn

      Oh man, don’t tell anyone about South Africa and it’s recent failures since Apartheid ended, don’t tell anyone how South Africa was a prosperous nation under the Dutch until Mandela got his dirty hands on it — notice the media doesn’t want to cover the truth, so I guess we must publish it here.

      — Spot-on comment, Matt, when you lower the standards of society and education, you may dress a pig up in luxury and comfort – but you turn your back on that pig, and he’s back in the mire, and now he’s shaking mud all over all the other animals and farmers.

      Why? — because once you’re a hog, you’re always a hog! a leopard doesn’t change his spots.

      Good post, Matt.

      • http://www.mattrowleyguitars.com MattStratt

        Truth Mark. Well said. It is so visible here, it’s frightening. Crime rate has sky-rocketed, police force is corrupt and militant, schools are failing, health care is practically non-existent -n and our once proud defense force has gone from international fame to a government run AIDS shelter. Economy is shattered. We once produced 2/3 rds of the world’s gold – now we are at 50% operational level… The only province still performing at reasonable levels of competency, is the Western Cape, where I live in Cape Town… Unsurprisingly, it is the only province (out of 9) run by the Democratic Alliance – the official opposition to the ANC. Bunch of terrorists.

        • Mark Robn

          Here in America, we did the same thing, in 2009. I know your pain, my uncle told me all about South Africa when we elected our communist dictator to power. … Not alot of Americans foresaw this man for what he is, but it’s in plain sight if we would only look at him with truth goggles.

        • Jerry Llewellyn

          Mandela, This guy was a Terrorist. Africa is totally corrupt and living standards are animalistic. There is no birth control, which causes overpopulation and a high mortality rate. Almost all help from outside is diverted to the warlords and criminals. Aids and other fatal destructive viruses/diseases are rampant, and people don’t know how to help themselves.
          South Africa is the best example. When there was a stable government, it was a very productive and safe area to live. Nelson Mandela took over and now it is in total non-productive shambles.
          Thanks to that 94 year old racist token, the nation of SA has fallen into the abyss. Because of his insane jealousy and hatred of white citizens (the investors and producers), he approved of them being robbed, chased out of the country, terrorized, threatened, or killed. Now the native savages are starving and have no jobs…they’re, raping, killing, and eating each other… just like they did before white man stepped foot in Africa. But Mandela remains a hero to the dumb savages because he symbolizes getting even with whitey.

          • http://www.mattrowleyguitars.com MattStratt

            Yup. enough said. I am actually a child of Rhodesia- and to see how really F**cked Africa is, take a look at that place…. No one will ever convince me that these savages are my equals.

  • Mark Robn

    You know, I read this nonsense about computer algorithms and 3 ways to Sunday math methods, but the bottom line is this: if you don’t understand the basics, you will never understand algorithms and 3 ways to Sunday math methods. — Simply put: the fastest way to get the correct answer is entirely the BEST way and the CORRECT way. — So, if a human can do the problem faster using simple, basic math solution (like we all learned in 1st grade, like my daughter is learning now), is that not the best and correct method.? — Sure, it’s good to know more ways than one to do something, and sure, it’s good to know computer programming skills… when it’s time to know those things. Otherwise, the solid foundations of truth must not be lost to yesterday, or the houses we build today will be built on sand, not rock.

    I agree with the Mother on this one. My wife is a Master’s Degree Educator in the public education school system, she agrees. In the REAL world, and not in Russia, simplification is valued over complication. Amen, Frustrated Parent – Amen.

  • An Educator

    FYI – the Common Core assessments computer generated. Not pen and paper tests. Also, they haven’t been rolled out yet. They are being piloted in a few schools this spring (May 2014), and won’t be fully implemented in their first school until next year. It would be nice if people got their facts straight before falling for this nonsense. Also…at no time in history have parents had access to standardized assessments. State exams don’t go home. Wake up folks. You’re getting riled up over nothing. The Common Core is actually a very good thing. But, the media is giving it the same bad name as it gives people of color and pitbulls.

    • Mark Robn

      FYI my wife is an Educator, she showed me the other day how the brain washing is already starting. 2nd graders at her school are being told ‘Brave New World’, by that socialist pig Huxley, is one of their favorite books, via Common Core. — outrageous! — now, how’s that for getting facts straight?

      • calvin

        Down with reading the classics! Down with education!

        • Mark Robn

          Calvin — here’s my response

          BAM — you just got hit in the face with a shoe.

    • Mark Robn

      The media protects people of color — have you not seen who the president is? And how many times he has pushed Americans and America under the bus? And Amnesty? And Benghazi? And Obama care? And bowing down to the Muslims? And sending tax money to support terrorism? Gun running, law breaking Holder? Not to mention promotion of hip hop, thug behavior, and lewdness? — get your head out of the sand, An Educator. My wife is a teacher at a school that dies nothing but protect these little thug wanna bes and these little Michelle Obama Wanna bes. — “media gives colored people a bad name” — no, when colored people do bad things, and when colored people won’t become citizens when they need to, when people commit crimes- colored or not – we need to know about it. …

      • calvin

        Pushed americans under the bus? Huh? Stupid analogies lose.

        • Mark Robn

          7 month responses? Huh?

          Stupid responses lose everything.

          * Americans understand my analogies. High school drop outs with smart phone addictions don’t understand that toilet paper is for cleaning your rear-end when your done talking.

          stupid teenager says “Huh? I don’t get it”.

          Exactly … whattup? now, suck it.

    • Tattoomama

      You have unfortunately been seduced to the dark side. I invite you to check out out the Badass Teachers Association.

  • Jeff Severt

    If interested, take a couple of minutes to read the real backstory here. Context is everything:

    https://www.facebook.com/jeff.severt1/posts/10201895304210800

  • Guest

    This crap is dumb. The old rules will always work and when something broke there is no need in fixing it.

  • James Beverly

    This crap is dumb. The old rules will always be just fine. If something is not broken then there is no need to fix it.

    • Sonya Blade

      Your view on the current condition of the state of our kids education is simplistic..and dangerous..oh don’t get me wrong..I agree with you 100%..only problem is…it won’t change a thing. EXPOSING this trash is the only way to educate the masses..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgVqA8bkzhA

  • Jerry Llewellyn

    I watched the
    beginning of lowering academic standards, school segregation, and all the other
    US Govt. involvement that Jack and Bobby Kennedy started in the early
    sixties. I was a PFC in the 101st
    Airborne Division Military Police, deployed to Oxford,
    Mississippi. At the time, George Wallace was not a happy
    camper, as Mr. Meredith entered “Ole Miss”.

    I went to a one room country schoolhouse in Eaton County
    Michigan that was heated with a Coal burning pot-belly stove and no inside
    plumbing. Yes, we used “Outhouses” that
    were freezing in the winter and smelled terrible in the summer, but we got an
    education. In fact, I would put any of
    our students from the Eighth Grade up against most High School Graduates today. We studied Math, (add, subtract, multiply and
    divide whole numbers/decibels/fractions/memorized the multiplication
    tables/geometry, English and English Lit, World and US Geography, American and
    World History, Civics, and a host of other topics picked by our teacher. K thru 8th Grade was all in the
    same room. The Teacher would call each
    grade to a long bench in the front of the room and cover specific
    lessons/topics for the day. If one cared
    to listen, all of us got exposed to everyone else’s lessons. It was fun to listen to what the “Big Kids”
    were learning, and it peaked everyone’s curiosity level.

    Remember, this was between 1946 and 1955. There were no electronic aides of any kind,
    not even TV. One actually had to learn
    how to write in legible cursive with real Ink. (That’s a real Bitch when one is
    left-handed).

    I could not afford to go to College, so I joined the Army in
    1961 and really didn’t keep up with what was happening to America’s
    education system. However, the last
    three years, (1979-80-81) I was an Army Recruiter in Flint,
    Michigan and was required to recruit in
    several of the High Schools in that area.
    To say the least, I got a very rude awaking. Schools then, and even more so today, lack
    discipline. Teachers get little or no
    respect; parents seldom attend any conferences or meetings with teachers, and
    most are looking for a way to sue the school district. From school administrators to the lowest paid
    school employee, most are paranoid and politically correct to the point of being
    completely ludicrous. I fear that without
    some serious intervention, American Students are just going to get dumber and
    dumber until we do not have enough educated people to keep America
    alive.

    Personally, I believe schools should be friendly and promote
    a positive learning environment for those students that want to learn. The Curriculum must be academically challenging to include math up to Quantum Physics for those students that possess the aptitude. Also, detailed World/US Geography, Government and History. Students should go to school year around six hours a day, four days a
    week. If they truly cannot, or will not, learn the advanced academics, then they should be taught a useful trade or skill to Journeyman Apprentice level that can be used to make that person self-sustainable.

    I think discipline should be firm but absolutely fair with clear and concise rules that if broken would result in several levels of reprisal from a letter of reprimand to mandatory residence in a locked down facility to attend classes. Those classes would require daily oral, written, or product results from the students on various topics, including the use of proper English, social skills, and verbal communication.

    Some of these students will rebel to the point of violence. Those students need to be removed from the system and placed in a facility much like a military boot camp for six months and then given the opportunity to return to school. If their attitude and behavior is still disruptive or hostile, it’s back to boot camp for one year, or until cadre
    recommends release. In the 18 months of boot camp, those aggressive students will have learned a skill of some sort to earn their keep. Some will not be able to remain as useful members of society and will revert to criminal acts. When caught, they will become convicts that will be a detriment to our way of life, and we’ll have to provide funds for their incarceration just as we do now. However, with a strong and demanding education system in place with realistic and effective programs that teach our kids, there will be a lot less convicts to pay for.

  • Jerry Llewellyn

    The administrators and teachers in our Education System,
    from Grade School through Colleges and
    Universities, are mostly Liberal and progressive democrats. The BS started in the early 60’s with
    segregation of schools and bussing of students.
    And, in most Colleges and Universities, students are far more interested
    in where the next party is than their GPA.
    If I had school age kids today, they would be sent to a private school
    or home schooled.

    • calvin

      Please don’t have kids.

  • Sonya Blade

    This is a TWO HOUR VIDEO!…You’ve been forewarned..but if you want to know the ABSOLUTE REALITY of COMMON CORE..invest your time to watch this..if you have kids..grand kids or just care about the future of this country..please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgVqA8bkzhA

    • sinistrelle

      If it’s important, you can summarize it in a paragraph.

      Otherwise, he’s just another peddler of his own home-school business interests.

      • Sonya Blade

        Here’s a simplistic diagnosis of the problem that is Common Core…since you obviously can’t commit to finding out all the facts by watching the video I so graciously linked for anyone the least bit interested in finding out the truth: PS. Dr. Duke Pesta is a professor of English at the University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh …the “peddler of his own home-school business interests”

        Dr. Alison Rampersad, a Co-Chair of Eye on U.S. Education, gave a Florida workshop a frightening heads up on what really is in Common Core, slated to be a done deal within this year. And what is most frightening is that teachers, parents, educators, and legislators themselves don’t know what they are getting our children into.

        Three huge stoppers Common Core is throwing up in front of our school children in this K-12 disaster include: 1. Dumbing down of all levels of America’s public school system; 2. Taking away the rights of states to individually design, administer, and control their own schools; 3. Setting up a 400 point “Data Mining” paradigm that will encode for the federal government a tracking system for each child. Such data will include parental income, babysitters, bus stops, and even political affiliations of Democrat or Republican/family voting patterns!

        • calvin

          You have Ted Cruz as your avatar. You lose.

        • calvin

          Fear fear fear. Education bad. Education standards are bad. Someone’s agenda. there, summarized for you.

  • WelderChick

    Good going mom!!! Love her answer!

    • sinistrelle

      Why?

      Her answer was wrong.

      She claims to have a science degree, but she didn’t understand the problem asked.

      • calvin

        Sini, Yep. Ha ha, Conservatives love to complain about the powers that be, or any other “other” they can then be fearful of, so that they can feel better feeling safe from the other by hating on it. So look at them hate on education even as they don’t do it right!

  • calvin

    Clash daily promotes ignorance. It not the greatest math problem in the world, but there is obviously nothing wrong with it that deserves celebrating this stupid post tearing our system down over it. Why do conservatives hate education?

    • sinistrelle

      What’s dumb is that those who have been commenting negatively on this article have not read it accurately. Like the supposed ‘mom’ in picture, they think the child is being asked to solve 427-316=?. And that’s not what the question is. They’ve all misconstrued it, and all those who are jabbering that the answer is 111 are betraying their ignorance in problem-solving and basic education methods.

      I’m not even convinced the ‘mom’ in the article is real, I think the whole thing is made up.

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