About the author: Steve Pauwels

Steve Pauwels is pastor of Church of the King, Londonderry, NH and managing editor of ClashDaily.com

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  • John Kirkwood

    Wonderfully stated, Steve. You articulated perfectly my sadness over this whole affair. I hope they truly find the God of the Bible.

    • sargeant rock

      AMEN…. God does not “hate” anyone, but He does hate their sin.

    • Lugh

      Meanwhile American Men continue to die in the meaningless wars of a Sodomite Empire that considers abortion a sacrament. Admit it John: Fred was right about that much even if you despise his methods.

  • John Rustic

    God Hates WBC

  • WesTexan

    God hates sin—but not people. “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:8.

    Considering the large percentage of members of Congress and Hollyweird celebs who claim membership in the American Communist (oxymoron) Party or celebrate socialism, …

    McCarthy was right!

    • http://batman-news.com patrioticvigilantie

      So was Stalin. It hurts to say it but the daddy of the commies, peged the U.S capitolizm many years ago and warned the world of the evil, Being a American born and bread, I belive and enjoy a free market, but it is only seems to be free to a select few at times. Stalin was a historical A hole to say the least but he was no dumbass either.

      • leewacker

        Hey! You’re dissing MY country–it has just lost its way lately, that’s all!
        It is finding its way back, slowly, but surely, and will arise bigger and better than before!
        Reference George Washington’s “Dream” he had while at Valley Forge! Those spirits had it right–three Trials awaited the Republic: One was the Civil War, which would tear the country asunder, but, it would reunite, the second was WWII, in which all nations of the world were fighting, but it was the third assault on our Republic they were the most concerned about, and we are in it right now! “A great black cloud would envelop Europe,” they said. “It would rise and come across the Atlantic to envelop our country, destroying cities, towns, farms, homes–” You name it, the cloud would envelop everything–that cloud was the threat of Islam–which is going on right now! They did say the Republic would eventually win, but it would take a while—and, the cities would rebuild as would the towns, farms, homes—bigger and better than ever before, and the Republic would lead the world for over a thousand years—-
        I don’t know about you, but I have the greatest faith in those Spirits–they have been right so far–and I shall accept their word for a lot longer than I will the Naysayers!

        • leewacker

          Besides, General Washington held daily conferences with his Almighty God, and followed His directives–and look where it led—
          As I have said, I am not a Christian, nor do I recognize fully the Christian God, but I wouldn’t be so sure if a few of my Gods weren’t there with the Christian One–They all do have a lot in common!

        • Lugh

          The Republic was lost in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve. We are owned and ruled secretly by European Bankers. And yes they are mostly Semites but not Arabs or Muslims. Get real guy. And no, I’m not for Islam either. I’d send them all back. Evidently the Bankers want to make America into a multi-racial and cultural Babylon.

          • sinistrelle

            Before you know it, they’ll be printing ‘e pluribus unum’ everywhere.

          • Herve Keptner

            Next thing you know they be printing on our Money

  • http://batman-news.com patrioticvigilantie

    This out fit and many like this is why people have turned there backs on god. They are not the only ones who pritice what is called the religious Riech. I have not been a fan of the church of men for decades due to orginizations such as this. I have not turned my back to god, but i have to the churches of men.

  • JimH69

    Given the gift for stagecraft displayed by the Fabian-Socialists over the past few years, I sometimes wonder if WBC is not a church at all but a leftist front meant to smear Christianity.

    • Azsteve53

      It is indeed. Fred Phelps was a disbarred progressive attorney, a prolific filer of civil rights legislation who also ran on the Democrat ticket for governor three times of Kansas. His son also held fund raisers for Al Gore and they all had their pictures taken with Gore and Clinton at the white house. All of the Phelps family have run for office also as Democrats all through Kansas and I think one or two actually held minor offices.

      Phelps was insane in my opinion, vengeful, hateful and out to set scores straight in his mind. In all reality your explanation is simple and probably most close to the truth.

      • Dave

        I agree wholeheartedly with you and JimH69. I think that Phelps’ goal all along was to discredit your religion (Christianity). That is the only explanation for his vitriol that makes sense to me.

        • Azsteve53

          Dave:

          Thank you for the kind words. No matter the underlying reason for Phelps and his bunch, I hope there is never a repeat of him, his family, or his so called church..

          • leewacker

            @AzSteve53: What part of Arizona are you from? I’m an Az. Native, just curious and interested.
            But, back to the subject at hand: No, it is truly sad, but there will always be someone, who, in the Christian God’s Name, will attack others–look at John Brown, who used God’s Name in his attacks on slave owners! He wanted slavery abolished, but never used a legal method–just murder and terrorism. There have been others–the Mormons upon their attacks on the wagon trains at Mountain Meadows, I hesitate to name the Koresh Clan in Waco, Texas, mainly because they were wiped out by a Government bunch–just never did understand their message–Quantrill’s Raiders–they used the Name of God in most of their raids on Kanas farmers and townspeople–
            Those people who do horrible things in the name of their God, are all insane–mostly with hate, others surely with drink or drugs–but, all are loony, and must be eliminated!

          • Azsteve53

            leewacker:

            Ahhhh, one more Arizona native, at least there are two of us ! I was born in Phoenix, for some reason I am still there. It is so different than when I was a kid….

            Yes, so many across history have invoked God and Jesus to affirm misery and politics on people. I find it hard to explain that acting outside of biblical scripture in killing and cheating places you outside the definition of a believer or Christian. People can claim any belief they want, but living it is quite another matter.

            Phelps also had some strange beliefs, I read one of his tenets was that he would never die, I was unable to confirm or corroborate that, but it would not surprise me to find lots of other whacky beliefs he had as well.

            His so called church seems to be falling apart without his messianic, nutty personality driving it

          • cochise1

            I don’t advocate violence but the WBC is very likely to cause someone to snap….someone carrying a 14 round handgun. I would certainly lose no sleep if something like this happened to them.

          • CharlieFromMass

            As I’ve often said, I don’t think anyone would really cry if somebody had “mechanical failure” while driving and their car mowed down a bunch of those SOBs protesting a funeral or anything else.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            amen!

      • leewacker

        Great grief! I didn’t know all that! Yes, Phelps was completely, totally insane–only a true madman could possess such evil!
        I, for one, cannot and will not forgive him for the horrible claims he made about our fallen warriors, nor the wounded ones, though!
        I gave a full explanation of why in an earlier post!

        • suzyshopper

          Doesn’t the Bible say,we are too pray for our enemies,and that if we don’t forgive,God won’t forgive our trespasses??

      • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

        that explains his hatred of the military. thanks. had no clue!

      • Demon Two-Six

        Poetic irony at its finest.

    • Herve

      i think the same thing!

    • cochise1

      Agreed. I have wondered about that for some time.

  • teaman

    NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN HURT BY CHRISTIANITY…..PERIOD!! However, many have come to God and Jesus with their own personal agenda in mind! Because of this, they have hurt themselves, family, friends, and most importantly, God, Jesus, and the Church repeatedly for thousands of years! God does not hate WBC….that is a lie! The only thing God hates is SIN, all SIN, even the SINS Christians commit! We are all sinners living in a Satan controlled world! God tells us that Satan is the ‘Prince of the AIR’ and we can’t breath without letting him in! The only way to expel Satan and his attacks is to follow Jesus and do our very best to live by his ways! I hate SIN especially my own, for in my 71 years, many times, Satan has caused me heartache and shame because, I desired to follow the ways of Satan’s world rather than follow Jesus! But all through that time, Jesus was always there to pick up the pieces! IF YOU CHOOSE THE WORLD, THERE WILL BE A PRICE TO PAY!

    • Herve

      many billions of people have been murdered so Christan could steal there magical rites and ideas

      • teaman

        Who is “Christan”?

        • Herve

          the word christan means king in Babylonian verson of Jewish! like the word Vikings means the KINGS
          king of kings and lord of lords, means the slavemaster of all slaves

          • Jane18

            What a mislead and biblically illiterate person you are…

          • Herve Keptner

            Jews use moelock for King of christ has the crown of the satan

          • leewacker

            OK. Your point?

          • BrinKennedy

            Actually, “christian” means a follower of the teachings of Christ.

          • Herve

            no does not! means king of kings! in other words that all kings are slaves to the empire

          • BrinKennedy

            *face palm* If you’re going to bash a religion, you really ought to do some basic research first… You sound like you need more than just research.

          • Dave the Retired Marine MSgt

            Well stupid, Christ was not a Christian. He was a Jew. And .. by the way, Christian means “to be Christ like”.

      • sjplwc

        Billions?? Herve, that is a preposterous statement. Many professing “Christians” have done bad things, no doubt. Some have even illegitimately taken others’ lives, falsely, in Jesus Christ’s name. Nowhere in the neighborhood of billions, however. And of course, blaming Christ or New Testament Christianity for every evil deed committed by those who aren’t Jewish, or Hindu, or Muslim or who were born and raised in a generically “Christian” culture/society is completely unfair. For instance, many international Muslims blame “Christianity” for the corrupt acts carried out by some Americans — this is absurd since, by Biblical standards, most Americans are not actual, regenerate Christians, but people who live in a civilization framed, broadly, on Christian principles.

      • Renellin

        Herve. You are an idiot.

        • Herve

          the jews are prechristan pagans, that believe not own holy book? and started doing jew pagan magic called Kabbala/qabbala/Cabal that same holy book that bible is copy of just like also a badly copy verson of Egyption BOOK of the DEAD, were the 10 commandment of GODHOOD of Amen-RA are Spell 125 in the book of the dead(old testament)and book of life(new testament)

        • Herve

          who the idiot now you cainnite worshiper! of amen-ra the slave master of the jews?

    • sinistrelle

      “NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN HURT BY CHRISTIANITY…..PERIOD!”

      Not an entirely convincing argument if you were the one on the pile of wood being set fire to as a heretic.

      • teaman

        As I stated and you failed to comprehend, MANY HAVE COME TO JESUS WITH THEIR OWN PERSONAL AGENDA IN MINE! Those that do so are not TRUE Christians. A true Christian would not do what you have written!

        • sinistrelle

          Oh come on, look up the No True Scotsman fallacy.

          No Christians ever commit crimes. Those who do, aren’t true Christians, etc.

          Christians do bad things. Not all, but some. You can’t escape this simple fact by changing the definition of a Christian to ‘fit’.

          Try it with ‘No Muslims crashed planes into the Twin Towers’, see how convinced you are.

      • Herve

        amen, there hammer of witiches would be burned at the stacks

    • Herve

      pretty sure that jesus was kiled by own christian and jew brothers?

      • Renellin

        Jews aren’t and never have been Christians. However, much evil has been done in the name of God, most certainly.

  • AR154U

    God’s chosen ones ?? I believe these people are nothing more than a front to harm Christianity ! Their disguise is easily revealed once they targeted our deceased military members. They are charlatan progressives claiming to be “Christians” !!

    • Herve

      yeah there really pagan Usurpers, you cannot be both Christan and liberals because they diametrically apposed

      • leewacker

        I do beg your pardon!? I am a Pagan, and, the Christians have accepted more of the Pagan beliefs than they have not—
        If you claim to be a Christian, I would not accept your definition, but would question your claim to even being a human!
        At least the Christians will agree there are other faiths, whereas I wonder about you!

        • Lugh

          What kind? Not a Wiccan I hope. They are WEAK and in favor of weak men and obese “goddesses” who pig out at KFC.
          Become an Odinist and fight for His children, the White Race.

          • Daniel Barbour

            Lugh, leewacker, and WBC are all wackos who need to leave the ballpark.

          • Renellin

            Don’t forget Herve.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            white race???? you are sick dude.

          • Herve

            no your sick your a racse trador and you invaldate you own view point for doing so! anit white ism is commnist plot to murder the white race has stated goal of the commies

          • Renellin

            You are using a translator! It doesn’t work. Go blog in your own language.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            whoa! did i hit a nerve? oooooooo. i think you need major league help dude. i suggest you get it now.

          • Lugh

            Why are you against Whites? Why shouldn’t we have our own nations just like other peoples?

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            against whites? no. i’m for america. black, white, red, yellow, etc. e pluribus unim. from many, one last time i checked, we are a nation of immigrants. all races, all colors. sorry!!!

      • Renellin

        You are so wrong. People are what they are. They don’t have to fit in your niche or definition.

        • Herve

          yeah they dont have to fit, they chose slavery over what they are has you so kindly stick up for enslavers

          • Renellin

            You know, either your typing or your english is so poor, I have a hard time sorting out what you’re talking about. Are you maybe using a translator? It’s not working so well. You simply make no sense/

          • Herve

            your are slaves master slavery promoter!? how can you not understand that?

          • Renellin

            I don’t understand it because your words make no sense! Speak English!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            dont fully get him either. he sounds like a nut.

    • Herve

      even if all Christians(pro-life) are slaves like Mr niche said are only half has bad has liberals(pro-death, and killing of all the weak and sick and old, even the unwanted young!),

  • Herve
  • Herve

    Christian is religions of slavery while Liberalism is political party of Nazis slave-masters! only the Overmach(overman)the super men can overcome the en-!slavers to become freemen of free will

    • jcpatriot

      Hmm….declaring yourself to be a god. THAT will fix the problems of evil in the world.

      • Herve

        no i am not GOD, I am transendted PASS the need for GOD, has i am become a god killer!

        • Renellin

          Your transendled all right.

        • jcpatriot

          Well, you have apparently transcended spelling, punctuation and grammar as well. (Perhaps your meds need some adjustment?)Other than that, you are one seriously deceived person. How did you end up like this? A God killer? Really? Where do you think you came from? Your incoherent posts would not seem to indicate a superior self – but they are a great indication of self-delusion and hubris.

    • Renellin

      People enslave themselves. You cannot paint Christianity with such a wide brush. The world is not all “Carrie.” If you don’t wish to be enslaved, don’t be. You are lucky enough to live in a country where you have a choice.

      • Herve

        did black people enslave themselfs, did jews enslave themself, maybe by a small part because they want to follow the false rules that subject too, by socity telling them to submit to leadership when they could have stop at anytime by overthrowing but in way you cannot blame there weakness has all socity has brianwashed them into giving up ther rights for the need of a collective that failed later to support them! in the same way that god has failed to protect christand from the devil!

        • Renellin

          Slaves have been bought, sold, and traded since man was first invented. All colors, all races, peoples all over the earth have been enslaved. Some people seem to enslave themselves.

          • Herve

            do you realy think that we should let them? after all if they are enslave to the master race they would be the frist to be used shock troops, like rome did!

  • Herve

    anti-establishmentism is the key to transcending slavery

    • Renellin

      ?
      ??????????????????????????

      • Herve

        anti establishment is the destrution of all lying corrupt false hood that fail to follow the rules that themself have setup for other to follow, the facsist state, the church and the schools
        has punshument for there SINs in brainwashing other into believe ideas they themself dont follow, kind pointless to be teaching Nazi docturnes in school if you support them i think!

        • Renellin

          Jeez–do you know how to form a sentence???? “lying corrupt falsehood” is redundant of course. Anti-establishment is merely a state of mind, which may or may not involve destruction of property, or indeed, other ideas. “fail to follow the rules that [themself?] have setup for other to follow” is simply nonsensical on its face. What a fascist state, a church, or schools have that relates to anything else you’ve said is unclear.
          Your next paragraph is worse! The whole thing makes no sense!!

          • Herve

            how does the church force ideas on other they the peole that are leaders of the church have no intenet on following for themselfs? are you stupid they clame gay right are wrong while raping kids for one!

          • Renellin

            You’re confusing individuals with institutions. Your experience with churches seems to be limited. Last I knew being a rapist was not in the job description of heads of any Christian churches.

          • Herve

            you should ask the pope about that, why the rape the wwII kids, cannada kids, and in ireland and Down under, of kids USA orgfanages

          • Herve

            there is not any diffence individuals under systemantic institutional biggotry and racistism, or class warfarism

          • Herve

            because under illegal system the crimes are plann or order or mandated by the officers of institution

          • Herve

            not my fault your reilgon makes no sense!

  • Herve

    all establishment of corruption must be destroyed for not following the rules, of the state nor there own philosophy!

  • lonebear

    You are right Steve the best thing that could happen would be for some real Christians to reach out in love and help them not loose their souls over this like Fred clearly did. How sad, for the people they victimized, for Fred because he will live in the fire of forever hell and for his family because now they are left in the wake of all the destruction and they are wounded. God would want someone to reach out for them. Maybe someone in their community could do that for them.

  • leewacker

    I am not a Christian, but I AM the widow of a disabled veteran–who went to Korea to fight for the Rights of the Westboro “Church” along with the Rights of his own Church (Mormon), the Baptists, Catholicts, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and the Spiritual Beliefs of the Native Americans (the Great Spirit among others), and mine, Paganism, but, he never asked questions. Yes, he tried to convert me, but, gave up when I told him HE could convert, but don’t expect me to do so–therefore, he accepted me for who I am, and, we did fine!
    I watched him die–not a pleasant experience–and no one was there to help–whether family, friend, medical or spiritual, and the fact that the Westboro bunch actually pray for a wounded warrior’s death and praise the fact that others have died–is nothing more then true wickedness! It is THEY who will be judged–the dead warriors already have been, and THEY will be blessed–whereas the members of the Accursed Church will not!

    • Lugh

      The Westboros don’t want normal men to die for the meaningless wars (like Korea) of a corrupt sodomite Empire. Your friend may have died well but he died for nothing. These are two different things you see.

      • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

        how insulting! maybe to YOU, the wars were meaningless, but not to everyone!

        • Lugh

          Well Washington told us to stay out of foreign wars. We should take his advice and not yours. If you want to make a private decision to fight overseas for money or belief, you should be free to do so. But understand that making collective decisions is part of being a Nation.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            yo the war was brought to us on 9/11. wake up dude!

      • Renellin

        “Normal men?” How would you know what the Westboros want? You don’t know this man, and you don’t know what he died for. You sound like one of that group.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

      thank & God bless you & your family for your sacrifice.

    • Renellin

      I would submit his death was not an answer to their prayers. Who they pray to has no power–your husband did. What he died for we may never know, but take heart knowing he was a good man and he served not only his country but his wife, and doubtless many others, and his hereafter, whatever you expect it to be, should go well. Love and best wishes to you.

    • Herve

      you know your husband die a needless death along with all his friends, has own goverment works for the Nazi party after US Army Operation Paperclip, the nazi takeover of the Pentagon! the FBI relase the FILES they new HILTER was in south america and even send FBI agent to save him from being killed on behave of obama masters the bush family request has they hilters grandsons

  • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

    i would love to sue these nuts 4 even daring to call themselves baptists! this so called ‘baptist” church is nothing but a hate group/ cult! they represent satan, not christ.

  • Renellin

    Arghhh! I couldn’t even finish reading the article!!! If you are worried about what god you are praying to, be sure to only include health and help in your prayers. Whether it’s Tiller the baby Killer or the WBC or Islamic terrorists, the only thing Christians should be praying for is their VOLUNTARY conversion to the God of love. Sorry, but GOD IS LOVE, not sexuality, not happy church suppers, and not finger pointing. If Christians truly reflected God (impossible, but worth reaching for), there would be no confusion.

    • Mindy Robinson

      Read your comment, you are a very hateful and judgemental person, read your bible. Matthew 7:3
      “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

      Matthew 7:4
      How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

      • Renellin

        Mindy mindy mindy. What did I say that was hateful? What did I say that reflected judgment on others? Where did I say I was blameless? Read your own comments, if you’re still confused, write me again. I am terribly judgmental about spelling and grammar, but I work on this all the time–and I know I’m not the spelling/grammar capital of the world as well. It’s an OCD thing. You say you are a new Christian. Good luck, and spend time reading and praying, not blogging and calling others hateful. It’s just a suggestion.

      • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

        you are accusing somebody of being hateful, than turn around a tell them not to judge. you are funny.

  • Mindy Robinson

    It is up to them to seek the truth and they know where to find it. Pick up that bible and start reading it, really reading it. I am a new Christian, I have been reading and researching everything in the bible, praying every day, at every opportunity, what an exciting and incredible journey! The truth is there in the bible, all you have to do is read it.

    • Herve

      has escape you that 911 was the day that god to failed to save his own people and followers most holy? has 911 is the day of devil, meaning that he one, and god lost!

      • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

        He did not ”fail” there are times He uses tragedy to bring us back to Him. after that day the churches filled up. think about it. other times He [God] uses bad things to warn us of impending judgement which will be even harsher if we as a nation do not repent.

  • Herve

    no people under the american system have no chose they have to be slaves has that is part of christan reilgion otherwise you are margalisted and forgoten, remeber all poeical party members clame to christan even when there not because they know they will not make the white house otherwise, obama is a muslum there is no labels you fool, i am not talking about name people call themself i am talking about there failing to support own interest which can only be explaned by brianwashing, like a slave submitting to slave master like obama and is kkk freemason masters

  • DrBobNM

    while not as extreme as this case with the WBC, there is some similarity with children in Catholic families turning their back on religion base don their upbringing. Pray that they can come back into the light after some introspection.

    • thinkingcritically

      hopefully they will just find a different congregation.

      • Dave the Retired Marine MSgt

        Like some “enlightened” evangelical one who actually believes the same way, but don’t have the guts to say so?

        • thinkingcritically

          I know, they are pretty much all the same aren’t they!

          • Dave the Retired Marine MSgt

            You’re risking a lot of “down” votes for agreeing with me.
            ;-)

  • Dave the Retired Marine MSgt

    So then, who is this “patient band of proven Christians” who will begin the transformation of the WBC’ers?

  • Sam Houston

    Westboro – Bowe Bergdahl is waiting for you. He is all yours. Protest away in peace.

    • Davy Crockett

      Down in your area last week. All I can say is HOT!! Already. :-)

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