About the author: Donald Joy

Following his service in the United State Air Force, Donald Joy earned a bachelor of science in business administration from SUNY while serving in the army national guard. As a special deputy U.S. marshal, Don was on the protection detail for Attorney General John Ashcroft following the attacks of 9/11. He lives in the D.C. suburbs of Northern Virginia with his wife and son.

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  • Ben Name

    his dead body should get life in prison anyway.

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      Why? It would just take up space for another well-deserving thug. His soul is in eternal prison, now.

      • OzzWorx

        Yes, but think of the smell!

  • Crash Gear

    One less Crackhead for society to worry about.. GOOD !!

    • Rattlerjake

      This cop should receive a medal for permanently removing scum from society.

  • silvernotes

    Don’t you just hate it when all the real facts start to come out!!!

    • Goodforall

      Ya gotta love it!

    • Rattlerjake

      Remember, 99.9% of blacks are demoncraps. And demoncraps will lie about anything if it will push their agenda, even when the facts come out and the truth is the opposite. OJ and Rodney King were no different, they just weren’t killed.

  • LarryKingOfTheDullards

    Excellent. Justice prevails!

    • OzzWorx

      And the gene pool remains intact!

  • Holland180

    Here we go again. Anytime a black person is harmed its always because of race. I am so sick of hearing this lame excuse. Truth is many blacks are more prone to commit violance and break the law then all other races? Why, you might ask? Generally due to improper family background, usually one parent, babies born out of wedlock, failure to try to receive education and the inbred desire to have what others have no matter how you do it!.. Love to see this guys school records, grades, incidence of bad behavior, prior police contact, how many babies has he already made by age 18. Check his internet postings. Lets disclose his street name that all thugs have etc. Almost guaranteed that blood test will show some type of drug use. It is common to his type so please don’t try to tell me that an innocent teen was killed. More like a 220 pound, 6 + ft tall thug got what was coming to him and savied society the expense of keeping him in jail, only to get tougher.

    • desert dweller

      The ignorant, backward, unintelligent scum are just like muslims…NO HONOR, NO TRUTH, NO INTEGRITY, NO PRIDE, NO LOVE OF FAMILY, just the selfish “gimme” bullshyt!!

  • john

    Tell
    me it isn’t so! That sweet 240 lb “child” could not have choked a little old
    lady while holding up her store? That doesn’t fit the picture his parents and
    Al were telling us.

    • McFerguson

      Actually that “gentle giant” was 6’4″, 292 lbs. And what a sweet child he was!

    • Goodforall

      He was 6’4″ and almost 300 lbs.

    • Donna

      where do you get the part about “choked a little old lady while holding up her store”?

  • fedupinky

    As Gomer Pyle would say…:Surprise, Surprise, Surprise! Now watch all the race-baiters twist themselves in knots trying to defend Brown.

    • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

      They surely will.

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      They already are. The community of Ferguson feels let down over this, because no one told them the truth, and Michael Brown’s friends lied to cover his butt. If the police chief of Ferguson had done this right, he would have released that surveillance video from the get-go, and not his militarized police force. Then this would have not gotten so out of control. If anyone should suffer, besides the family of Michael Brown for the loss of their son (a criminal, but a son, just the same), and the police officer who was assaulted and vilified for his actions in defending himself, it should be the police chief of Ferguson… he should be the one to be fired over it.

      • fedupinky

        Good points Rhonda but maybe the Chief was advised by the city or county attorney not to for legal reasons. The whole situation came unglued so fast it’s hard to say what might really have prevented it. The news media are partly to blame by seeming to throw gasoline on the fire with their constant reporting and opining. Bet if they had just shut the cameras off and got out of there, the crowds would have gone home.

        • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

          Likely.

      • Donna

        Oh my gosh, are you kidding me lady? So you’re saying that all those looters & thugs bad behavior in Ferguson was not their own responsibility. How we act and react to situations is of our own making – unless of course you’re saying they’re all too dumb to manage their own behavior and have to be herded along like zoo animals. Your premise is so ridiculous…when you were a kid how many times did you use the excuse “I only did it cuz all my friends were”?

        • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

          Ever hear of “groupspeak”, lady? It’s a phenomenon that occurs regularly, in a crowd mentality. Me, I’d rather get the heck out of a situation like that, and fight my way out of it, to hole up somewhere safe, and not be involved. But with the mentality in a crowd, especially a “low-information” crowd, such as these people (and no, I’m not a racist… you don’t know how I was raised to be able to accuse me of such a term), it gets out of control very easily. Especially when you have agitators (under the ruse of “community agitators”) such as Al Sharpton, the New Black Panthers, President Obama sticking his nose and opinion in, etc., what do you think is going to happen?

          • Donna

            That’s not even what you said, don’t try and back peddle out of it now…you blamed the public’s behavior, lack of decency and self control, on the police chief and called for him to be fired over it. And now, as it turns out, a story is being reported that the DOJ requested he not release the video but on Friday he decided to go against the DOJs request and do it anyway.

          • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

            Lady, you really, really don’t know what you’re even talking about. The DOJ WANTS the chaos!!!!!! This is all part of their plan. They want to rile up the “anti-government” rhetoric, so that the DHS and other agencies can come in, take control. The DOJ is sending in “community organizers” into the area. What are those types of people? They’re the type of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Sr., New Black Panthers… even our own president is a “community organizer”… but what is he, in reality, but a “community AGITATOR”. Does that ring a bell? This is all planned, as a test exercise… a follow-up to a martial law exercise practiced TWO years ago in the St. Louis area. THAT’S why the DOJ wanted the video withheld! That’s why they don’t want the truth to come out! It’s to INCREASE the violence and chaos!

            And you, lady, are one of those “race-baiters” that the original poster of this particular thread that is getting her knickers in a wad!

          • Donna

            Oh my, you really are a loon, aren’t you?

          • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

            No, but you are, lady. End of subject.

  • trugrits

    Amazing how such innocent children can in an instant be morphed into a thug. Thugs don’t become over night or in an instant. Mommy and daddy evidently have turned away from what they have let their children become. Of course none of what happens is parental fault. BS in caps.

  • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

    I support the police 100% in this matter.
    It’s clear that someone failed to raise this punk properly.

  • Mark Kuykendall

    obama should’ve kept his big yap shut.

    • fedupinky

      I wish he would just shut his yap permanently. He has already put more energy into the death of this apparent street thug than he has any of the victims of Fast & Furious or Benghazi. He is disgusting.

    • http://batman-news.com patrioticvigilantie

      I agree, i do wonder if he is part octopuss as many times he has stuck his foot in his mouth.

  • http://www.insectman.us insectman

    bo should have said, “Quit stealing and quit shaming the human race!”

    • OzzWorx

      The Coward of Benghazi hopes these incidents shame the white race but always backfire and shame the black race.

  • Russell Smith USMCVetRVN

    Another one of Obama’s sons.

  • ShotGlass

    The parents of this kid are grieving? No, my guess is they are relieved, you know this out of control thug, has put the fear of God in them, more than once……time to celebrate, and have somebody get a bunch of money for his sorry ass…..

    • http://batman-news.com patrioticvigilantie

      I do feel sory for the Parents, There is a good chance they had no clue that there boy how went through a form of schooling was not a thug, Many kids not just black ones are pretty good at having another idenity away from there famlies.

      • Abigsoxfan

        Sorry, if the parents were that clueless, they are not qualified to be parents. The fact that the family refers to his death as an assassination tells me pretty much all I need to hear to judge their abilities to be parents.

        • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

          They were going off what Michael’s friend, Dorian Johnson, was telling them went down. Doesn’t matter that Dorian was lying to them to cover his own butt.

      • Mobetta Jenkem

        Parents?

        As in plural?

        Since when?

        • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

          This thug did have both a mother and a father, living in one household. Strange, isn’t it?

          • Mobetta Jenkem

            Call the Guinness Book people!

    • Gabrielle Alyse

      Should’ve known attacks on the parents’ character weren’t far behind. Smh.

    • taliesin319

      That and a payoff..Those po lice slaughtered my angel no justice till my hand is full of money and video slots on every MSM outlet. I wants the movie rights and 30 % of the gross. My anfel’s life has to be celebrated.

  • Abigsoxfan

    The guy is a two bit thug. Did he deserve to die over this? Probably not. But a much clearer picture of the type of person he was is becoming apparent. He certainly didn’t mind using his ample size to intimidate others and commit other crimes. I guess this is what happens when people rush to judgement. You listening Reverend Al, Reverend Jesse, Barry and Eric? Huh?

    • http://batman-news.com patrioticvigilantie

      yes Karma can be a b i t c h

  • etohdoc

    It’s time for the police to go after the looters now. Most of them should be easy to identify with all the video available.

  • mac12sam12

    It doesn’t matter. Like Trayvon, the left will still use Brown as one of their poster boys.

    • Annymous Patriot

      Exactly. And none of these “facts” will make their way into the news reports. They can’t contradict their initial reporting which was based on snap judgement and stupidity.

  • InternetSavage

    Doesn’t matter if Michael Brown was about to cut the cops throat it will never resonate with the reactionary idiots who all of the sudden are so concerned about a stupid dead person they never even met.

  • Gallum

    Totally justified shooting. Why does the left always support the criminal? Why are they always attempting to push racial divide?

  • polmutant

    too bad the constituency does not recognize barry and all of the district of communists are the same as this criminal. too bad the constituency does not recognize that ILLEGALS are the same as this criminal. too bad the constituency does not recognize any and all laws/ordinances and precepts that are against the first 10 amendments are from the same criminal mindset.

  • desert dweller

    Obama is the most pitiful ph-cking excuse for a human being….for a president, for ANYTHING…the bas-ard is worthless! As for the pukes in the street, they don’t give a shyt…they got to destroy, burn, steal get all the freebies they could carry….thats all they care about! Set a curfew, if they are on the streets after that, shoot them down like the wild dogs they are!! imho

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      He’s just doing what he does best… a community AGITATOR (screw the “organizer” part).

  • fedupinky

    I just heard Obama signed an Executive Order outlawing all convenience store video cameras;->

    • krdave

      It wouldn’t be a surprise.

    • Mobetta Jenkem

      Studies have shown them to have strong racist tendencies…

    • taliesin319

      In this day of the universal cell phones with stellar video that’s a laugh and a half. I’m willing to bet that if a News organization offered to pay for the rights to any video made if they use it they would have videos of every crime this little prince ever committed in living color. Plus comments from his friends who took the videos. Meanwhile his relatives would steadfastly maintain that these thug
      selling the pictures are lying.

  • http://batman-news.com patrioticvigilantie

    Yes ther race care is played too often it has lost is sting for most.;
    i will say the heavy armed police might be going a bit far. But perhaps being that the mob was throuing movtov maybe not,
    but i will say this, Black men say they fear the Police, why. look at there music, look at what they call heros and leaders. That will give you a deep look ant the mentality of the Black man.
    till they find that gloryfing drugs driug dealing cop killing slave trades of pimping girls and women, this is there cultur, this is why they are failing them selves as a people. And the mentality of having an education is not a white thing it is a smart thing.

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      The Molotov cocktails were in response to the militarized police force being deployed against the people. It was their fear of this intimidating force. Me, I would go after that police chief for deploying them, when all he had to do was release the video of the two thugs. That would have shut the whole thing down. He allowed it to get out of control, and to violate the civil rights of the community. I give KUDOS to the governor, in selecting the Missouri State Police to handle the situation, and for the leadership of the State Police in selecting Captain Ron Johnson in quelling the unrest. He handled it right, last night… by allowing the community to peacefully assemble and exercise their constitutional rights, as long as they remained civil about it. Captain Johnson was out there, mingling with the community, being a COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICER, not a militarized police officer, and listening and respecting those that came to him to talk about it. He demonstrated his leadership capabilities today, at the press conference they held. He’d never been in that situation before, and he shined. He also proved that he is a Christian believer during that conference.

      • http://batman-news.com patrioticvigilantie

        I do agree totally agree and keep the military police on standby if it does get out of hand

  • Goodforall

    Once again, our moron of a president has spoken “stupidly” before all the facts came out. I knew the so called eye witness was lying when his story changed three times. He needs to go to jail for an extended period of time. As for Brown, he got what he deserved. No one put him in that position except himself. I can almost guarantee he has committed prior crimes before this one. I am glad the officer will be vindicated. And Sharpton and the rest of the race baiters once again have egg all over their faces.

    • BradenLynch

      Our race-baiting POTUS spoke too soon and without the facts?
      No, double impossible…he is infallible per the Left.

      • Goodforall

        You’d think he would learn after awhile-guess he doesn’t want to.

    • Patriot

      You are spot on – he should be charged with inciting riots and be financially responsible for the damage caused – much like crying out you have a bomb while in flight on an aircraft

      • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

        He should be in jail, now, for being an accomplice in the strong-arm robbery. But no, they let his sorry little lying ass walk.

  • Patriot

    Will bathroom Barry apologise for his pre-emptive, slanderous remarks about the Ferguson PD?
    Will those police-hating, gullible supporters of his who turned out in cities across the US (like Philadelphia) to protest the killing of an unarmed, harmless young child who turned out to be a hulking, gang-banging criminal?

    • BradenLynch

      I mostly agree.

      I am concerned about the militarized response of the local PD for the riots. Don’t get me wrong, looters should be shot on sight in my opinion.

      My objection is that I want access to the same level of “toys” that the PD has (or they should not have them) so that they do not consider themselves to be above the citizens. If they have M4s then as a law-abiding citizen so should I. An APC, so should we. Comparable weapons reduces the risk of despotism.

      • krdave

        When dealing with these thugs and punks, the police need all the riot equipment available. Of course they should have more and better equipment than the general population has available. If it is available to good citizens, it won’t be long til the punks have the same. You make no sense at all.

      • FedUp vet

        Police will never again be found outgunned by criminals. Live with it. The problem though for police is they admit NOT arriving early to crime scenes, but arrive only to clean up a mess.

      • Goodforall

        When you have several thousands of these people chanting “kill the police” and you have a dozen or so officers what would you like to see-a couple of shot guns? Think that would stop them? Heck no!

      • RM Molon Labe

        “The historical reality of the Second Amendment’s protection of the right to
        keep and bear arms is not that it protects the right to shoot deer. It protects
        the right to shoot tyrants, and it protects the right to shoot at them
        effectively, with the same instruments they would use upon us.” –Judge Andrew
        Napolitano…Molon Labe!

      • Mark Clemens

        I agree.

  • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

    sarcasm, folks.

    • krdave

      Rhonda, you need to learn a little more about how to use sarcasm. Your remarks do not indicate sarcasm, they seem to indicate your true feelings. k

      • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

        LOL! desert dweller, I was referring to john’s post, not my own! :)

  • kathyd

    Good! If anyone saw the video or read the police report, they would know Brown was no innocent victim. But, as usual, that slimy slug POS OBUMMER had to stick his snotty nose in where it never should have been and sicked Eric Holder on the Ferguson Police Department to make more trouble. I’ll bet Al Sharpton,Jesse Jackson, Shelia Jackson (the senator from Texas who wears ridiculous hats), Nancy Peelousy, and Harry Reid will all jump in to defend poor little Michael Brown.

    Altogether now, 1, 2, 3. VOMIT!!!

  • Tom K.

    Neither Obama -or- Holder have learned to stay out of these criminal incidents until all of the facts are in. How about negotiating the rescue of our U.S. Marine from that Mexican Prison ? Or SECURING OUR BORDERS ? Or something else more worthwhile than supporting Urban and Jihadist Terrorists ! Thanks Obama Voters !

    • FedUp vet

      Black racists just can’t keep their nose our of criminal cases when other blacks are involved. Oddly enough we haven’t heard from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton yet.

      • Abigsoxfan

        You must have missed the news. Reverend Al is already down there.

        • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

          Yea, but he hasn’t said anything, since the truth came out about his “innocent” little victim, publically. Neither has the NAACP, et al.

      • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

        And we won’t. Al Sharpton stuck his foot in his mouth, again.

  • Pete

    Like I said before, warm up the FEMA camp guillotines for the rampaging lunatics. Society does not need to have these worthless animals. Free speech and peaceful assembly for a cause is one thing. But destruction of private property and malevolent behavior deserves appropriate counter measures (hooooraaaahh for the police !!). In the country side we fix these problems by rounding up and euthanizing our rabid animals, and that’s race indifferent. How’s this ‘diversity’ project working out for you? How’s this hopey changey thing working out for you?

    Enjoy your personal thoughts on this. The truth can hurt I know…

    • TexasJester

      Shoulda kept the 50-cals on the MRAP, and opened up on the looters….

  • RayR55

    Does anyone really think the truth/facts matter to the HNIC or his ilk?

    • kathyd

      I like that: HNIC! took me a while to decipher, but it made me laugh.

      • TexasJester

        Got another for ya — DAN. Give you a hint – first two letters are for dumb@$$ ……

  • http://cpupilot2000.wordpress.com John D Slavik

    The Prez, as usual, was unaware of the importance of being involved in an ongoing investigation. Lucky for him it is no longer possible for him to look more foolish. Unfortunately for the rest of us it is possible to increase the rate at which we plummet ever further downward into chaos until that time when He can suspend elections, institute martial law (we’ll see how that flies with our military) and declare Himself the Sultan of the Western caliphate.

  • Gern Blanston

    oh but hey lets all go spraypaint ourselves dark brown or black and go out and vandalize/loot/steal/burn the town down and hold candlelight vigils because uh… brown is uh brown….. freakin loser bottom feeders

  • tagdogs

    How much longer can this nation put up with such a stupid jackass president? He is a total embarrassment to our great nation and we have nobody but the democratic party and the likes of Pelosi and Reid to thank for his election. And if ever Hillary gets elected, this BS will continue.

    • Alleged Comment

      Agreed!

      The BS (Barry Saetoro) continues because we ALLOW it to continue. We do not study the Constitution, it is not taught anymore (Demoncraps and liberals caused this) and more importantly it is NOT PRACTICED anymore.

      If you understood the Constitution you will realize 100% of it is not being FOLLOWED. YEP, you heard that right! 100%!

  • Tedthebear

    Not to worry. The police acted stupidly so just watch Eric, the with holder, Holder will ride to the rescue on an FBI horse and will give the cop a fair trial then hang him!

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      No, I don’t think he’ll go after the cop, as an individual, but I think he’ll go after the City of Ferguson, and the Ferguson Police Chief, for violation of the black community’s civil rights.

  • nunya

    I hope there is some dash cam footage and audio released of the encounter that prompted the shooting inside the car. Hopefully that should stop all the speculation.

    Regardless, I am sure the blacks around the country will defend this criminal to the end of the cop’s show trial and thew civil lawsuits suing the city (taxpayers) afterwards.

    Remember Rachel Jeantel from the Zimmerman case?

    http://news.yahoo.com/star-witness-black-rachel-jeantels-testimony-makes-trayvon-203324375.html

    I wonder who is going to step up and be the star “eye-witness” to the white cop murdering the poor innocent un-armed skittle eating black kid this time?

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      From what I WAS informed, Ferguson PD couldn’t afford the dash cams, that’s why there’s no video forthcoming of the incident. I believe that was BS that was given me, since it was someone on Politico who responded in that manner.

      And I haven’t seen any reports as to the color of Dennis (I thought his name was Darren, from the press conference video and other sources) Wilson, yet. So, I wouldn’t say that he is white… just yet. Lest you be accused of inciting racism.

      From what I heard, the community of Ferguson is backing down from what happened, based on the video footage. That’s what they are most upset about now… the 6-day delay of the information and proof that Michael Brown was not the innocent ‘chile’ that he was portrayed to be. It could have all been avoided, had the police chief released the video from the get-go, instead of sitting on it.

      • Abigsoxfan

        I’ve been wondering about this. Did they sit on this on purpose? Thinking they would use it if things blew up the way they have? Are they that smart/crafty? I dunno.

        • rpm

          EBT card run out they started to loot.

      • Chumscrubber

        Yeah, it’s “Darren”, and I’m also wondering why the hell they withheld the video.

  • Psychodad

    testing

  • fistdeyuma

    I thought his motto was, “Don’t do stupid stuff”? I guess that does not include, “Don’t say stupid stuff”. Our racist president once again tries to divide people with hate so he can get votes. Once again the facts dispute the mob raising, hate mongers our press has become.

    • Abigsoxfan

      Excellent point. Don’t do stupid stuff. This moron can’t even follow his own doctrine.

  • brucethompson22

    He never did nuffin wrong say his friends and family.

    • Mobetta Jenkem

      Heaven knows they ALWAYS make great character witnesses….

  • standforfreedom

    Again the idiot Obozo only listens to the “special interest groups voice” instead of waiting for the truth! I agree with the majority of American citizens this president MUST GO and take his minions with him!

    • Mobetta Jenkem

      “and take his minions with him!”

      Obozo’s minions = Legions of lick-spittle sycophantic flying monkeys

    • silverzone

      In his defense, people were screaming at him all over the net to say something about this situation, when he commented on Robyn Williams death.

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

        Well, if anything, he should have refrained from expressing sympathy for either side. If it turns out to be true, as it did in the Trayvon Martin case, that a violent drugged-out criminal thug lost his life in the process of trying to murder an innocent person, then he DESERVED it, and the president of the country should not contaminate the jury pool by claiming prior to the facts coming out that his death was “heartbreaking” nor “tragic” just because the rioters and Black Grievance Industry says it was.

        • silverzone

          I agree with you, president shouldn’t take sides, or even comment in anything like that. In case of riots, he should probably say “obey the law and wait for an investigation”. But this president likes to put himself in the middle. Like “police acted stupidly”.

  • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

    LOL! And we wonder where Joe Biden gets his lunacy from? No wonder they picked Joe to be his running mate…. try to deflect some of it off Obama.

    • taliesin319

      Biden is the insurance he needs to keep his toga on .

      • OzzWorx

        Still, I don’t think Biden hates America as much as The Coward of Benghazi!

  • FedUp vet

    Racist Obama just can’t keep his mouth shut when another one if his “sons” is killed in a criminal case. That’s what you get be electing a illegitimate, ncompetent and inexperienced Manchurian Candidate to be a complete failure.

  • Marilyn Z

    BO never once said this could have been his son…I just realized that. In fact, he has been strangely silent. Dang…forgot…he’s on vaca. Bless his little heart..he looks tanner than any black man ever. Golfing is good for a body.

    • Abigsoxfan

      No, he hasn’t been strangely silent. He said he wants them to be transparent in their investigations. Careful what you ask for Barry. BTW Barry, define transparency for us and how it relates to Fast & Furious, Benghazi, the IRS investigation and Obamacare.

      • Marilyn Z

        Guess I missed that transparency….if that is like the transparency in this administration, we are screwed.

        • Abigsoxfan

          Exactly my point. The Hypocrite in Chief speaks again.

  • rpm

    There’s never a dull moment with these people, since 1960s. Feds and media incites lawlesness should be held accountable.

  • artarlo1

    What a waste, more so are the idiots who know nothing and are demonstrating around the country like trained animals.

    • Mobetta Jenkem

      Between that and voting, ahem, “reliably” (and often!), it’s what’s required of them by the party that keeps ‘em partying…

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    It was evident to this writer that something was strange with the whole situation; it is a shame that the store that was robbed experienced the destruction by the mob. Who is to be held accountable now , Mr. O? The media, the mobsters, the alleged witnesses?

  • Alleged Comment

    So looks like the negro was a violent man and the other Negroes lie for him because it can bring the white man down. (The goal of all lying Negroes).

    Bury the negro and give the cop his gun back and all you Negroes go back to work to pay for the damage you’ve done. Wonder, do Negroes even work under this administration?

    • http://www.GodAuthoredBible.com geneww1938

      I think you know you’re wrong with your prejudicial comments [even if it made you feel better] … but the fact remain this particular group of criminal do set a horrible example for the community they represent. For this, his community should apologize and make some form of restitution to the businesses they robbed and the property they destroyed.
      Likewise, I would hopefully expect Obama’s crack team of “investigators” will scour the video and photos and arrest ever person who was involved in this mayhem and have them tried with ever person issued stern sentences which could be reduced into Probation if no other future crime is committed.

      • Alleged Comment

        It is the Negroes who are prejudice (if that does not make you feel bitter).

        Other races get shot and they do not riot so what make Negroes think they have to (their prejudices)?

        Agreed, the Negroes and their community must make restitution. I prefer they find work instead of collecting real welfare.

      • silverzone

        Next time maybe the owners will get themselves armed.

        • Marilyn Z

          If it is allowed in Missouri, I bet this owner has bought himself a weapon.

      • shamu9

        You Sir, are Living in a Fool’s Paradise to expect Ali Bama and “Eric The Red” Holder to Fairly investigate “Jack Sheite”! The Black Mentality about Theft Is– “I ‘TAKES’ what I want! It ain’t Stealing unless You get Caught”! Learned by working 17 yrs. as a Fl. Correction Officer, in a “Youthful Offender Max Sec. Prison!!

        • http://www.GodAuthoredBible.com geneww1938

          I guess my sarcastic comment was not presented well. Less Sarcastic would be to state, I agree. Urban renewal with a neutron bomb may be a great alternative.

          • Arrgh2112

            In cases like this where there are more than a few leftists running off at the mouth, the sarcasm either has to be running off of the post in waves or the ever present /sarc included.

      • SiRobertson

        He’s right and there are millions of us in this country who totally agree with what he said. You’re either black or someone with “white guilt”. Either way, you’re wrong if you expect obama to anything right or just. He’s a sorry POS.

  • silverzone

    We will have this kind situation in the future. Parents need to get involved and teach kids, that stealing is bad, or you might get shot. Sounds naive, but somebody has to explaine from the early age, what’s right and what’s wrong. Who can be better to do that, if not parents. We are armed society, so going and pushing people around, thinking that you are big and strong, one day might come back and bite you in the A. All this riots and looting won’t bring this young person back. Educate your kids, everybody will benefit from it.

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      That’s exactly what the officer they put in charge of quelling the situation said… “it isn’t about black and white, it’s about our children”.

    • Abigsoxfan

      I was 8 or 9 at the time. I was in a lumber store with my parents. There was about a 1′ x 1′ scrap piece of plywood on the floor. Dumb kid I was I picked it up, stuck it under my jacket and walked out of the store with my parents. In the car they saw something funny under my coat. Asked me what it was, I showed them. They turned the car around, headed right back to the store and told me to tell one of the employees working there what I did. Embarrassed the hell out of me and taught me a life lesson I will never forget. That’s parenting over a 1′ x 1′ scrap piece of plywood. I still have no idea of what I was going to do with it, but the lesson learned was priceless. Thanks Mom & Dad!

      • SiRobertson

        My parents did the same thing with my 4 year old sister many years ago. She had put some leftover metal pieces about the size of a quarter into a pop machine and a bottle of pop came out. She then proceeded to hand some out to the rest of us. Mom marched her little embarrassed butt into the manager’s office and she had to apologize. My parents raised very honest children.

  • Robert Pierro

    Hey!!! It is I…. obummer! He could have been my son!!!

  • Dr. Richard Kimble

    Outstanding synopsis, as usual, Mr. Joy! BTW, in watching the protesters on TV, amazing how much they resemble African natives doing a tribal dance.

    • Psychodad

      All they needed was jungle drums and loin cloths

      • shamu9

        Yeah, There were enough Negroes Raising Hell to make a Tarzan Movie Could ‘a Titled it “Tarzan Takes St. Looie”!!

  • JMHunt

    The store video doesn’t “blow the case wide open”. It shows Brown as a
    thief and an a bully, deserving of being stopped and (should have) being
    thrown in jail. Unfortunately (for the author and angry commentators)
    those are very, very far from justifying the use of deadly force. The
    author’s explanation of “deadly force policy” to justify shooting
    (repeatedly) to kill a fleeing suspect is dishonest. Deadly force policy
    says an officer can shoot to prevent escape when a suspect poses an
    immediate deadly threat or threat of serious bodily harm to others,
    example: an armed gunman running from a robbery – not unarmed suspects.

    If the facts bear out that all these shots were fired during a struggle
    that would “blow the case wide open”, but the author seems to be conceding
    that Brown was running from the scene. The officer isn’t “shooting in
    defense of his life” if the struggle is over and the suspect is on the
    run. By the way one shot is good enough to stop a fleeing suspect in
    their tracks, subsequent kill shots are an execution.

    • Psychodad

      Oh boo hoooo

      • JMHunt

        An excellent, well-thought, and intelligent response. Thanks.

    • Marilyn Z

      The point here is to show the guy was not the great kid his mother insisted he was. She almost had me crying about how he was going to college in two days and how wonderful he was. I imagined if something had happened to my son two days before college and it broke my heart. Now I am more than a little irked for being deceived. Time will tell if the officer was justified, but he is not the angel his mother portrayed him to be.

      • Psychodad

        They almost never are the angels their mothers think they are ( However in this case I think mommy knew her son was nothing but a thug just like poor poor Trayvons mother knew he was nothing but a thug )

        • Marilyn Z

          It makes me wonder about the standards that are being set for kids in some homes. Maybe his mother thinks there is nothing wrong with stealing and pushing a very small, much older man around. He was a HUGE kid, but it would have brought him up real fast if that little guy had been armed and fired a gun in his smart face.

          • Arrgh2112

            I agree with you with one major exception…there are no standards. Most of those “kids” were raising themselves from around the age of ten at the latest, and have zero respect for themselves or anyone else. The white man/woman is the enemy for most and they think that they are entitled to anything they want.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Or maybe she had no idea he’d ever stolen anything or bullied anyone?

          • Arrgh2112

            And treyvaughn was an innocent choir boy. We get that there are no bad black people according to you.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            … that isn’t what I’m saying. Reread my post, but more slowly this time.

          • Arrgh2112

            Try this you condescending putz…you are an apologist for the left, for berry and for the black community as a whole. The little angels that you are defending, are the product of your type of empowerment and excuse making. It’s never their fault and whatever they do is obviously the white man’s fault.

            There, now read it slower, or better yet just get someone to explain what the big words mean.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            And you gathered all of that from my suggesting that perhaps she didn’t know these details of her son’s life?
            You seem angry. Relax, it’s just the internet. Wouldn’t want you bursting a blood vessel over a silly dispute with a stranger.

          • Marilyn Z

            You are right…different parenting styles…guess I was a helicopter mother.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Lol, that’s not always a bad thing. My dad is a helicopter too.

          • Marilyn Z

            Only because he wants to keep you safe. I am glad I am not raising kids today…must more difficult than it was in the 80s.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I bet it is.

      • JMHunt

        I agree he certainly wasn’t an angel. Disagree that the point of the article was to simply point that out. The authors point was that Brown not being an angel is a game-changer that, on it’s own, should exonerate the officer for the use of deadly force.

        • Abigsoxfan

          It is a game changer on evaluating his character. Watch the video again. It’s not so much the stealing of the cigars as the treatment of the much smaller owner. The punk is a two bit thug. Are you blind to that? He clearly believes he’s above the law.

          • JMHunt

            He clearly wasn’t an angel (in other words he was a bad character or as you put it a two bit thug). Sound familiar? That’s because I wrote that in that post you replied to.

    • Abigsoxfan

      Below I clearly stated that this did not deserve for him to die over. But it says a lot about his character. And shows he has no hesitation to use his ample girth to intimidate others in the furtherance of a crime. It does help make a case that such could have occurred inside the police car as the punk has a propensity to do such things. At the beginning of this, there appeared to be a rush to judgement. I am not rushing to judgement here, but look forward to more investigation. But any assertion that this was some kind of innocent sweet 18 year old has been squashed. He’s a two bit thug. Did he deserve to die over the two bit robbery? No. Did he deserve to die over an alleged confrontation with the police? The jury is still out on that.

    • shamu9

      WHAT Law School and Police Academy did your Mis-Informed Azz Graduate from?? Same one that penciled off onObama’s Required Classes??

      • JMHunt

        I guess the same prestigious law school/police academy that all of those commenting on this have obviously graduated from?

        • Abigsoxfan

          All? Yeah, why not make a prejudiced remark like that? Your true colors are coming out with every post you make.

          • JMHunt

            Either you don’t understand prejudice or you don’t understand sarcasm.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I think his point was he wasn’t doing anything different from any other posters (just sharing his differing opinion).

        • shamu9

          Brevard Cty. Fl.Comm. College. Police Academy. B.A. Fl. Atlantic U.

    • SiRobertson

      We don’t know what happened yet. Save it, or you’ll probably end up with mud on your face like I’m sure you did with the Trayvon BS.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      You have a desperate subject who has just tried to kill a cop, fleeing (fleeing, that is, if you believe the proven liar of a witness, who has already been shown to be Brown’s criminal accomplice) the scene—you’re bloodied and bruised from the beating, your ears ring from the shot inside the car—you’re going to risk the danger to the community, and merely HOPE such a giant, murderous beast is safely captured later? He’s desperate, he may grab the first smaller person or child he can for a hostage. Shoot him dead.

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        The other two eye witnesses (one of whom was in an upper-level apartment building and the other nearby on the sidewalk) also said he ran, was hit in the back, turned, put his hands up and was shot a few more times until he finally went down.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          As I wrote, their unreliable statements will be debunked within the next couple of days.

          No snitchin’, yo

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You don’t think anyone of this to be true. They could very well be telling the truth.

          • http://thelibertyzone.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/the-continued-crazy-of-scott-schoemann/ Freddy Neat Shee

            …and, as it turns out, Donald Joy was right. The “witnesses” (which included Dorian Johnson, who was involved in the crime that happened minutes before the shooting, and known race agitator Anthony Shahid, who later went on to don a fake police chief hat and rile up the crowd with “hands up don’t shoot”) were LYING, and you decided, without checking anything out, to spread those lies with statements like the one above. You wilingly particpated in the lynching of Officer Wilson.

            Joy knew this because he has seen the news for longer than a year, and knows the kinds of players involved in a story like this. He may not have known about the Shahid connection at the time, or maybe he did, but couldn’t reveal the sources. But he knew the likelihood that an Officer that patrolled that area without incident for 7 years and just left a call with an ambulance where he was helping a black baby, would suddently turn racist mere minutes afterwards was very small, and the likelihood that a THUG that just strong-armed robbed a convenience store of boxes of crappy cigars (to make blunts with) may be exercising less-than-optimal judgement was much higher (pardon the pun, or don’t).

            Joy was going off of statistics, based on things he’s seen before.

            And he was right.

            And you weren’t. Again.

            I told you I’d call you out.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            What is wrong with my statement above? Don made an assumption that he couldn’t possibly have known. I stated that he didn’t know this to be true because he didn’t, he made an assumption. Crenshaw and Mitchell’s statements haven’t necessarily been “debunked.” Johnson’s claim that they had done nothing wrong, however, has been… but he maintains that what he claimed to have seen in the moments before Brown was killed is the truth.
            Again, there isn’t anything to be “called out” here. Still trying, but still no cigar…

    • Dave

      If a civilian shot and killed under these same circumstances, they would be up on murder charges.

  • kc shaw

    look how many dogged the police offer. Your eating your words now. Also anytime blacks have a chance to steal they do. Obama jumps in also

  • Maggietish

    Once again president Obama came out and before the cameras demeaned the Ferguson Police Department as he did with Traybon Martin. All the evidence is not in and he certainly should not have jumped to any conclusions and one would think that he would’ve realized that. There’s now video proving the Brwn had committed a robbery so how are they going to try to sweep that under the rug so they can continue on with their racist rhetoric. Present Obama lives in breats division in this country. If he can’t do it one way, he”ll do with the racist way. It’s more than ckear that he’s on a mission and has an agenda to do whatever he can to destroy America. Throughout this nation there are good men and women who put their lives on their lines serving as police officers sho keep all of us safe, and yet President Obama continually attacks, and demeans them . People have to wonder how President Obama seemingly condones lawlessness. The way he asked if we should just step back and let crime happened.

    • OleDad48

      Its all politics . . . 100% politics. He is a community organizer and a campaigner — he does not know how to be a leader, a president, a manager. He has never helped people resolve differences, say, in a business. All he has ever done is gin up people to attack.
      He sides with teen-age thug who got in the face of a cop and was shot. (law & order suffers and chaos wins)
      He sides with terrorists (Muslim Brotherhood) whenever possible, and ignores terrorist actions (Christians crucified and their children beheaded).
      He sides with Hamas and moralizes against Israel, the best ally we have in the region.
      He sides with illegal aliens (health insurance, public education, status recently changed to “homeless” to get around laws requiring documentation) and bristles at border patrol.
      He sides with drug users, joking he was one himself. Intoxication is up and deaths from accidents related to drug use are up.
      He sides with the perverse, “evolving” to a place of sanctifying Gay unions as ‘marriage.’ The American family is further eroded, and has become increasingly irrelevant.
      He sides with the poor while playing with the 1%-ers (Martha’s vineyard, Hawaii, etc.)

      He is the smiling face of the Evil Left. Just as Lenin destroyed Russia, Castro Cuba, Chavez Venezuela, Mao China, Ho Chi Min Viet Nam, Kim Jung Il North Korea . . . Barack Obama is laying the US low — it’s one of the “dreams from my father” the Kenyan revolutionary.

      As a nation, we declared God dead in the 1960s. We chose self-worshipping freedom over devotion to the One Who created us. Those who look around and ask, “Where is God? Why doesn’t He help us?” are two generations too late. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. Our nation has earned its wage; death is being served everywhere we look. God’s judgment is allowing us to have what we want in place of Him (Rom 1).

      It is now left to each of us to make a choice — God or Self, Good or evil. Our nation has decided. The proof is the continual election of leaders who promote the sins listed above.

  • barto

    Where was Obama when white people were attacked by blacks in the “knock-out Game” and some were actually killed or seriously injured AND where was his condemnation of the black’s murder by shooting of the little girl in front of her mother. He is absolutely a “racist” just like Sharpton, Jackson and so many more so-called “black leaders” and many other blacks. The Blacks have become the biggest racists on the planet.

    • Abigsoxfan

      Obviously he was out golfing.

    • SiRobertson

      obama is just a racist POS, muslim terrorist and pathological liar. In 2 words, dangerously worthless.

  • RapidlyLosingHope

    Well, the poor little guy was getting ready to leave for college don’t you know. Maybe he needed some snacks to build up his strength for the rigors of advanced education.

    • Abigsoxfan

      And some cigars to go with those snacks.

      • XuhQshinR

        He needed himself some swisher sweets for blunts muh man.

  • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

    Fake conservatives love torture, the police state, unconstitutional wars, socialism, the American Empire, the drug war and hate the Bill if Rights and civil liberties and the free market and laissez-faire capitalism.

    • Abigsoxfan

      Huh? What do your moronic remarks have to do with this story? Are you in Colorado smoking weed?

      • Mobetta Jenkem

        Probably wishing he was….

    • bodark

      ‘Groids love to riot, steal, rape, and murder…..So I guess we are even….

    • lisarichards124

      Then leave America if it so terrible for you. Go to bloody Europe if you think it is better. Better yet, go to a Muslim country where they looooooooooooove everyone non-Muslim by the sword to the neck

  • lorri

    This is the video “alleging” ARMED robbery. I have gone over this video blown up 10 times. I do NOT see Michael Brown or the other boy with him having any such weapon. Am I missing it? Or is this a way to portray him as “armed” when he was not?

    The reason I say this is “Clash Daily” is saying “UPDATE: Video surveillance footage of an armed robbery in which Ferguson Police believe the suspect to be Michael Brown:”

    See article here: http://clashdaily.com/2014/08/thug-life-leaked-pics-michael-brown-show-really/

    I am not saying what “Michael Brown” was doing was right, however this video does NOT support the statement that Michael Brown was committing ARMED ROBBERY.

    BTW: On another note. Pictures of people “flipping the bird” is NOT something only “gang members” do. Many people across this nation whom are not “gang members” also flip the bird. Heck, there are pictures of Harry Reid even doing that.

    Just saying, if this is the video they are going off of in order to “justify” what happened, it’s not really helpful, but more harmful. I am not saying Michael Brown was an innocent person. However, I am saying that from seeing this video this would not escalate to the manner of “shooting the man”.

    If any of you can find the weapon in this video PLEASE point it out to me and I will correct my statement. However, I have gone over and over this and am NOT able to see MB nor his friend have any weapon.

    You can even see when his hands are behind his back there is nothing in his hands.

    • Abigsoxfan

      Please feel free to share a link to anything that describes this as an armed robbery. Whether armed or not, it clearly shows this guy is very willing to use his ample girth to intimidate others in the furtherance of a crime. Yes?

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      You’re confused. You need to look up the definition of strong-armed robbery, and match it to what you see in the video.

      • JMHunt

        In the spirit of correction for precision, will you do with same?

        “Use of deadly force policy warrants it if the person is deemed at the time to be a further threat to the community, which after the act of robbery and of trying to kill a cop, Brown certainly would have been.”

        Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson has disclosed that the officer knew nothing about the robbery prior to stopping Brown. Police and eye witness accounts are conflicting as to the struggle that occurred, but you took it so far as to say Brown tried to kill Wilson. Where is the report/evidence for your presumption?

    • shamu9

      Then– Invite the Negro over to Your House and Entertain His Big Black “Go-Rilla” Azz. I don’t reckon he would need a weapon to Terrorize you!! BTW, How many people did he victimize, and get away with it? Now the Civilized folks in that neighbor-Hood , can feel a little more secure!

      • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

        “His Big Black “Go-Rilla” Azz”

        KKK Republican!!! LOL!!!

        • bodark

          Go stand in a street and get shot you Groid b # stard

          • Mobetta Jenkem

            And make sure one of its homies posts a video!

            That I’d LOVE to see!

      • lisarichards124

        We’ll see when a rap sheet is released. This kid thinks he ad a right to walk into a store and steal? No one has that right no matter color. Stealing is violating God, humans, all people and society

    • gretagarbo123

      Don’t you know what strong-arm robbery is? It’s pretty much self-explanatory.

    • XuhQshinR

      It is in fact officially a “Strong Armed Robbery”.

      If you were 5’5″ & 125lbs store owner facing a bully thief of 6’ 4”, approximately 300-pounds that grabs you and manhandled you… That is an armed robbery known as Strong Armed Robbery.

    • lisarichards124

      Strong-arm robbery means violently attacking with your hands, fists, choking, hitting, beating kicking. Not gun, but your hands and feet. You can clearly see the strong-arming as he grabs someone and choke-holds them to threaten

    • One2Stupid

      He committed strong arm robbery which is physical force not with a weapon. It is still robbery. (felony) Robbery is the taking of property from the person of another by the use of force or fear. (these definitions do vary somewhat from state to state) He is 6 ft. 4 inches and weighs 292 lbs. Why would he need a weapon when the 5 ft 3 inch clerk tried to stop him. Sorry, the guy is a thug!

  • Arrgh2112

    Did berry jump on the TV when that pair of feral animals shot the 13 month old baby in the face?

  • SiRobertson

    Excellent article, Mr. Joy. There are a number of white guilted liberals and most blacks who have no critical thinking skills or honesty when it comes to race. This will turn out just like Rev. Trayvon’s BS.

    That stupid, race-baiting atty for the Brown family can’t even speak in an articulate or intelligent manner. It’s constantly “wif”, “dat” ebonics speak. He was most assuredly an Affirmative Action college student or he got his degree somehow online.

    • Mobetta Jenkem

      He probably attended the George “Kingfisher” Stevens Skoo ‘o Advanced Lawyerin’ ‘n Stuff.

      After taking an undergraduate degree in Community Organizing, of course…

      • lisarichards124

        Look out, don’t be surprised if that becomes compulsory in colleges: Community Organizing 101. You must take at least 2 courses to pass and receive your Bachelors with a Minor Bach in Feminist Studies

    • Arrgh2112

      Will any of the witnesses be able to read the handwriting on their own statements? I’m betting on the same game plan this time, only with holder jumping farther into the middle. They need another distraction to cover for the past dozen.

      • Mobetta Jenkem

        Is it in (shudder) “CURSIVE?”

        (Oh, saints preserve us!!)

        • Arrgh2112

          The white man’s font…can’t have that now can we. Although, I haven’t seen any kids with legible penmanship for the last twenty years, regardless of race.

          • lisarichards124

            Black, white, Hispanic, none of the kids today can write in cursive, they think cursive is their foul language mom and weekend dad let them use without smacking their mouths

  • SiRobertson

    You’re describing liberals.

    • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

      That’s what Republicans have come to ever since they were taken over by the neocons.

      “A welfare state, properly conceived, can be an integral part of a conservative society.” ~ Irving Kristol (godfather of neo-conservatism)

      • RobiZ

        …and that’s why the Libertarians are growing. Republicans aren’t true conservatives anymore. They have become like the 1960′s democrats. They’re no longer motivated to help based on morality but ‘America’s interest’. There is a huge difference in a conservative and a neo conservative.

      • lisarichards124

        FDR created the welfare state and LBJ escalated it by placing majority of every black American he could into welfare so he could gain more power for democrats. He hated the Civil Rights act and refused to sign it. The Republicans had to force him to sign the ACT. White Republicans who ended slavery, created the Emancipation Proclamation, and fought against Southern Segregation because it would harm businesses and pull people apart who had been friends. READ!!!!!!!!!!

        • Arrgh2112

          It’s a paulbot. Just treat it like you would a bed wetting leftist.

      • lisarichards124

        Really? Why did Obama escalate LBJ’s escalated Welfare state? It was White Republican Newt Gingrich who demanded Bill Clinton limit welfare to 2 years so blacks could get off it, get educations and jobs. It worked, more blacks began working and getting educations until Obama reversed the Welfare Reform Act back to life. Now more blacks are in poverty, as are big numbers of single white women, and 50% of the USA is on food stamps. It was never this way until Obama the Frank Marshall Davis trained Marxist did this

    • Mobetta Jenkem

      To a “T”

      Which is an integral part of “LibTard,” of course…

  • kds

    Just another one of OBAMASS’S SONS.

  • Global Minority

    The black community doesn ‘t care about the truth and facts. In their minds he was shot by a “racist white cop” whether he was gulity or not. Doesnt matter….

    • Arrgh2112

      It also doesn’t matter if it was a white cop, or anything else as long as it’s not black on black crime. Those don’t seem to matter to the leftists that are the race baiting pot stirrers.

      • lisarichards124

        If blacks kill each other, Fat Al Charlatan and Jesse Jackass don’t care. Neither does Obama care about his home town and the fact blacks are killing blacks or he and his wife would worry about that instead of what foods we eat

    • lisarichards124

      Blacks need to read Dr. Thomas Sowell’s books. They are history books that tell everything with documented historical fact. Same with Walter E. Williams

  • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

    This cop graduated from killing dogs to killing people.

    • Arrgh2112

      And you would know this how?

    • gretagarbo123

      Huh?

      • Arrgh2112

        Leftist tourettes is a terrible thing…although it is hilarious to watch.

        • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

          You are so simple minded that you ASSume that I talk bad about “your team” that I automatically belong to the “other team”.

          • Arrgh2112

            I don’t make assumptions about anything sparky. You are the one that has exposed yourself as a stunted juvenile that thinks that cops and authority are bad and evil. Either you are a frothing pajama boy or a hardcore paulbot and you went off of your meds. If you get your sitter to bring you a cookie you might feel better, your sugar seems to be a little off.

          • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

            Ron Paul supported liberty and freedom from government. We can’t have that around here.

          • Arrgh2112

            Bingo. Fire the bong back up and eat some twinkies. I really love being right about you people.

          • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

            You fake conservative. I really love being right about you people.

          • Arrgh2112

            Sorry spanky. I want limited government, a balanced budget and the right to be left alone to live my life. You on the other hand are a stunted little person that really needs to get out more.

          • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

            LOL!!!!

            Useful idiots will do anything to distract or derail the exchange. Making bad jokes and resorting to childish ridicule.

          • Arrgh2112

            Bold letters make it so much more effective. I would have missed the fact that you are clueless had you not done that. Maybe you should go with caps and italics next.

          • lisarichards124

            Darling, sweetie darling, you are proving you only want to argue, so go find a mirror, its the only thing that will take you seriously, but remember, it’s not same sex marriage just because you are looking at yourself

          • lisarichards124

            Do you consider yourself American? Are you American? Then we are all one team: American, no matter our color or race. But one has to choose to be bad, criminal. And you can’t blame whites for it, since it was whites, Republican whites, who demanded LBJ sign the Civil Rights law, which he had refused because he was pro-segregation. the Black Panthers wanted blacks to re-segregate for race wars and the radical left sided with that, so did Dems like Hillary back then. Read Thomas Sowell who documents all this in his books

          • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

            Why don’t you read THE BETRAYAL OF THE AMERICAN RIGHT. Its free online.

          • Arrgh2112

            “Not really “rightists” at all, Rothbard argues, modern “conservatives” are a segment of social democracy, accepting the fundamental premises of militarism, corporatism, mercantilism, fiat money, and expensive, intrusive, bureaucratic government at home to enable the Global Anti-Communist Crusade, as it then was, around the world.”

            That says everything in a nutshell. The paulbot manifesto in fifty words or less. Save your time, you’ve already heard it all before.

          • lisarichards124

            Conservatives hate democracy because it is majority rules, which means the elite rule, they get the say. I’m for military so beefed up it will glass parking lot the enemy ala Japan, I’m against big government, IRS which violates Art. I, Sec. 8, intrusion, I hate socialism/communism/Marxism/statism anything that removes the rights of us given at creation by God.

            Fiat money: Nuts. It’s paper backed paper. WTF! Rothbard? He was pro-black power movement which was Black Panther. He was for anarchy which is against the Constitution that is good government. Big government is anarchy against constitution.

            Ron Paul, Rothbard, Rand Paul, three idiots who want isolation, dummied military while enemy beefs up for another Pearl Harbor/9/11.

            But I am pro-money big, small, any way. I believe every American should make as much as they want, not pay income and property tax, only one-time consumption tax ala Art. I, Sect. 8

          • ipsd48

            Then Rothbard is either a shill for the left or ignorant as the day is long

          • lisarichards124

            I have and it’s so pathetic! Lies. Darling, seek out those with brains like Dr. Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams, read the federalist Papers, Constitution, you’re reading stuff by left-wingers pretending to be patriots, pretending to love this country.

            You’re afraid of the truth, so why bother even continuing this discussion.

          • lisarichards124

            1 team v other? So you like to separate and segregate blacks and whites as blacks versus whites, when most blacks and whites get along, because we see each other as human beings, as Americans

        • Mobetta Jenkem

          “Leftist tourettes”

          Heh heh! GOOD one!

    • bodark

      f#ck off you dumb a$$ libturd

      • Arrgh2112

        It’s a rabid little paulbot. Just as nasty, just a different family in the same species.

        • Mobetta Jenkem

          An obvious victim of severely-arrested development…

        • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

          “If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.” ~ Ronald Reagan

    • Marilyn Z

      Why are you judging the cop before you know the details? That is a terrible thing to say and I am flagging you for it and hope everyone else does, too.

    • gmhunt4

      better target

      • Mobetta Jenkem

        And in this case, MORE than deserving of the redirected, ahem, “attention.”

        MORE than deserving.

  • rpm

    obongo martyr gang bangers instead of,hey homies, cleaning up your act.

  • lisarichards124

    I’m surprised we don’t have Rodney King freeways in LA, Trayvon High in Fla, and next crisis centers named after this thug. After all, we whites must feel so guilty that some whites had slaves once and Dixiecrats overruled White Southerners and forced segregation on the South against the majority will of white Southerners who said segregation would destroy their businesses.

    Note to all Blacks who hate whites: It was White Southern and Northern abolitionists who fight from the 1700s through Civil War to end slavery, abolish it and create the first Civil Rights act written by Lincoln adviser and statesman and close friend to Lincoln Frederick Douglas. Yeah, that was the 1860s not the 1960s, where the Civil Rights bill of 1965 was forced on the left, on the Democrats, on LBJ by whites, by Republicans who strong-armed LBJ and forced him to sign the bill he hated and did not want, because he was pro-segregation.

    It was white Northers who wanted black Southerners v white Southerners working in factories up here, because blacks in the 40s and 50s were such hard workers, you could depend on them,, which is why they rose to middle class until the Black Panthers told their children to get back to Africa and go ghetto to get out of bi-racial neighborhoods where everyone was getting along. Yeah, the left, the Panthers, those Marxists destroyed young blacks in the 60s who fell for the lie to hate whitey.

    Notice from the 20s-50s that half the middle class in this country were black who rose up to won homes and have savings. The North, where all these snot kids are rioting welcomed blacks. White Southerners at that time were too lazy. Thanks to the Democrats, its been reversed when it was on the way to all Americans working and rising up. But Democrats, who lost the Civil War, lost slavery and Segregation and Black Panthers who love to hate radically set out to put blacks back on the plantation in order to create race wars.

    If blacks keep falling for the lie, poverty will continue to grow in black America. Its about listening to truth or lies

    • sgmwlc

      True!

    • Eagle2758

      And let’s not forget that the DemonRats are the ones who formed the KKK as it’s terror arm to control and terrorize the black community. Wasn’t it Senator Byrd that was a high ranking official in the KKK,eh. Did you notice how the Dems excused that guy? Had it been a Repub, he would’ve been executed. BTW, the NRA helped to arm blacks against all that crap too. LBJ remarked that he would keep the blacks on the plantation for a 100 yrs. And let’s also not forget that the muslims sold the africans into slavery and and STILL own most of the slave trade today. Also, the Jews have been slaves, the Irish in the 1600′s, and the list goes on. It’s all about attitude! The black community has to change their families to focus on family values instead of govt values.

  • bodark

    What an absolute embarrassment to the black community…. Were I black, I
    would be absolutely ashamed of the knee jerk reaction devastation
    committed by these thugs on behalf of another thug… No other ethnicity
    behaves in this fashion, they are a blight on the human race. This
    situation like many others illustrate that there is overwhelming
    evidence of genetic predisposition to crime, and intellectual
    inferiority as compared to other ethnicities…What an absolute joke!!!!

    • sgmwlc

      There is no genetic predisposition to criminal activities. You’re just showing your bias. Now I’ll wait patiently for the investigation to reveal what really happened. Everyone is just allowing their “Chain” to be jerked by various entities. I’ll wait on the overall evidence. However, I do side (initially) with the police account.

      • Arrgh2112

        Would you like the statistics that point to the percentages of crimes committed by race? If it’s not genetic, then there is something wrong on a personal level.

        • sgmwlc

          Yes, there is something wrong on a personal level. And you can blame it on the demoRATS government subsidized poverty. Make people responsible for their actions. Don’t blame the color of their skin. There’s criminals in all colors of skin.

        • JMHunt

          I wonder if those statistics would also correlate to poverty levels.

          • Arrgh2112

            Since that obviously gives people the right to break laws and disregard basic sensibilities. Yeah, I see your point…wait, no I really don’t. But then again I’m not an apologist for racists, criminals and moral degenerates.

          • JMHunt

            You’re plainly stupid if that’s the conclusion you drew from that post.

          • Arrgh2112

            You are the one that threw the poverty rate in…let’s see…”I wonder if those statistics would also correlate to poverty levels.”

            Now genius, what does poverty level have to do with not breaking the law?

      • bodark

        Keep your head in the sand…. We are all equal and all that nonsense… We are not….Scientific evidence supports it.

    • John W.H.

      No other ethnicity behaves this way? I know they are close but I believe the filthy muslims terrorist are way ahead of black Americans who want to stir up trouble, so they can get away with looting and burning $hit !!

      • bodark

        What continent do they originate from? There’s your answer….

  • wdcraftr

    Obama’s goal is to Incite hate, violence, & whatever it takes to bring on Martial law, and enter us into a New World Order. United Nations to bring about world peace through a one world govt. and one world religion.. Headed by the soon to be revealed Antichrist. With wealthy supporters like Bill Gates behind them, it will come to pass. Worldwide Socialism, persecution, and tyranny, with the Antichrist to head it, What could go Wrong?

  • Joe

    These witness’s can’t even agree on the facts. They would never tell the truth if it meant the police were right and justified. This was no innocent teen.

    • Mobetta Jenkem

      Agree on the facts?

      Hell, this bunch makes ‘em up as they go. And the lamestream pinheads eat it up…

    • Arrgh2112

      Just expect the cop to end up as a white african american if he’s black. berry and company need to get the focus off of clusterfvck one through ten going into Nov.

  • gmhunt4

    Some of Obama’s boys out for a good time……I said from the beginning, it was a “good” kill…..

  • lisarichards124

    You can be free of big government if you stop voting for left wing Democrats and RINO Republicans who only care about power. Go with Allen West, Dr. Carson Sarah Palin, Ted cruz. Ron Paul takes money from Storm Front, a KKK group and is anti-Semitic

    • Arrgh2112

      They don’t want to admit that good old ronny paul was writing the newsletter for them as well. The fact that they were saying that his signature below the letters didn’t mean anything will tell you all you need to know about them.

      • lisarichards124

        Ron Paul’s an ass with fake eyebrows while his son has a poodle sitting on his head for hair and wants us back to 1930s USA where Japan and Germany beefed up and we sunk our war ships

  • RobiZ

    Mo. Police Chief Thomas Jackson, said the two incidents (the robbery and shooting) were not related. He said Wilson did not know about the robbery when he confronted and then shot Brown, whose death spurred violent protests and unrest in the St. Louis suburb over the past week.

    Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because “they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic,” Jackson said.

    • JMHunt

      Yet the author uses the robbery as part of the justification for the use of deadly force.

      “Use of deadly force policy warrants it if the person is deemed at the time to be a further threat to the community, which after the act of robbery and of trying to kill a cop, Brown certainly would have been.”

      No prior knowledge of the robbery. No official report or conclusion that the suspect attempted to kill the officer.

      • Janet Williams

        Yes, the officer had knowledge of the robbery. He was responding to the call. The robbery had happened on a few minutes earlier.

        • JMHunt

          Did you not read the comment you responded to further above? The officer DID NOT know about the robbery when he stopped Brown. The Police Chief disclosed this to the public today.

          • mapoffla

            The nicotine addict didn’t know that. He did know that he just committed a robbery and he had a cop’s attention shortly after. He thought he could punch his way out of it.
            Big mistake. Another one of the obamanation’s children. Guess which hole he came out of?

          • Bernardo Stevens

            I’ve read conflicting reports on that issue. Some reports say the officer was responding to a call about the robbery.

            Either way, the officer has the right to tell those guys not to walk in the street. And if they did in fact assault him, he may have had the authority to shoot.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Even reports on Time are conflicting… at one point they say that Wilson was in the area responding to the 911 call about the robbery and later they said, “This robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown” and that Wilson was in the area after responding to another unrelated call: http://time.com/3118559/ferguson-cops-tell-their-side-of-the-story/

      • clbrown

        B.S, yet again, “JM.”

        The shopkeeper had called in the robbery and had given a clear description of the two who had robbed him. This is public information, which you could clearly confirm or deny if you had any desire to do so.

        The officer arrived on the scene and identified the two men walking away from the shop, carrying the very items which the shopowner had reported stolen. He attempted to apprehend the suspects, and was assaulted by the massive, 300-lb Brown, who attempted to seize his weapon.

        A single shot was discharged, which caused Brown to flee. At this point, Brown had established himself to be a clear and present danger (by assaulting the officer, which the officer’s injuries post-event prove to have been the case). And yes, the officer had every legal and yes, moral right to take down someone who had assaulted him and attempted to take his weapon from him.

        The first two paragraphs above are easily confirmed. The last is one of two stories which have been put forth about what happened. But the other story, which you’ve chosen to believe, is full of illogical, irrational, and even impossible claims. So, given the choice of the two narratives, any THINKING person will come to the same conclusion I’ve come to.

    • Janet Williams

      It doesn’t matter. Brown still has no right to assault a police officer. Or do you think he does?

    • 80s Rocker

      But, Brown did not know that so he attacked the cop. Then the cop defended himself. Once again history is repeated…

      1. Media reports one side of story w/o facts (especially if victim is black).

      2. Media fans the flames by painting victim as saint and paint the white guy as evil and racist.

      3. The 2 two real racist people (Jackson & & Sharpton) fan the racist card even more.

      4. Obama makes even more comments without any facts helping to make victim blameless, when in fact he should be quit till all the facts come out.

      Sad to say, the facts will probably show the cop wad attacked and the shooting was self-defense. But, his life and job will be ruined because of having to be Politically Correct.

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        According to eye witnesses, Brown was hit once at the police vehicle, ran, was hit again in the back, turned toward the officer, raised his hands and was shot a few more times before going to the ground. If this is true, it doesn’t sound like self defense to me.
        We’ll see when the autopsy is released whether or not he was shot in his back.

        • 80s Rocker

          Agree, it that is true the cop needs to be held accountable. But no one is waiting to get all the evidence before making judgments and there are conflicting reports. Just like Zuckerman this cop has already been judged and found guilty w/o knowing the facts.

          And the people looting just make things worse and punish innocent people for something they had nothing to do with. I hope the track down as many looters as possible and hold them accountable for the laws they broke and damage they did. There is no excuse for that and it gives St. Louis a bad rap.

          I also pray for the young man’s family. Whether the shooting is found to be justified it not, it is never easy to lose a family member. People need to leave them alone and let them mourn in private and make sure their comments don’t cause the family any more pain.

  • bodark

    We aren’t too far away from a race war…. White people are starting to come around, these b a s t@rds have to be put down like rabid dogs… These savages weren’t very far away from marching into the white neigborhoods… We have all the high caliber weaponry and money so bring it on ‘groids….

  • bodark

    I suggest that the fat @ssed porch monkey assumed that the cop knew about the robbery and staged a preemptive strike… These morons astound me with their stupidity.

  • ProudGGDOfAConfederateSoldier

    I haven’t heard or read what race the cop is who shot Brown. I pray he and his family are being protected.

  • lisarichards124

    Look at his hands choke-pulling the person, grabbing. That is strong arm

  • J.J

    Shooting an unarmed man, with his hands in the air, from 35 feet away is never justifiable. It doesn’t matter if what a person is doing. It’s the job of the police to arrest people for crimes and only use deadly force when they are being threatened with equal force. Instead when Brown ran away the officer shot him in the back and then finished him off. If this was a war it would be a war crime.

    What I find funny is how so many people here stood up Bundy and said how the cops went too far and how big government is to blame. But now all I hear is how the authorities are always right and can do whatever they want. Is thi really the America you want to live in? Do you people really believe a person is your enemy because they are a different color than you? I thought we were all Americans, I thought we were all people.

    • lisarichards124

      Oh lets always blame the cops and never the criminal thug. Lets never believe criminals have a rap sheet or would ever rob and attack people especially if they are black

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        You totally missed the point of his post. Try reading it again but more slowly this time.

      • clbrown

        That’s right. Those in the “black community” are supposed to be “treated differently” according to our would-be-Socialist overlords (aka “nobles” to our own “serfdom”).

        The fact that this is the most obscenely racist element of the entire story seemingly falls on deaf ears, most often.

        This MAN, who just happens to share my own last name and a few other genetic similarities, was a THUG… and, despite the narrative to the contrary, an ADULT MAN. He was a bad guy, and he assaulted a police officer and attempted to seize his weapon (as the evidence which is now coming out so clearly proves).

        But you’re all supposed to “forgive that” because he’s a “black boy” who just “don’t know no better.”

        Utter racism. And utterly unforgivable.

        • lisarichards124

          I don’t care what his skin color or race is, a thug is a thug. A criminal act is just that no matter who does it.

          We need to stop pandering to skin color in this country and start looking at each other as Americans if we are American. And laws apply to all of us. And no one has a right to rob. It violates God’s Laws that are set up to stop us from violating each other, to give us guidance on how to act so we don’t rob, kill, and destroy

        • lisarichards124

          Sorry, but is was white abolitionists from 1700s to War that fought to end slavery. Democrats fought FOR slavery. Republicans–a party set up by a white man and his black friend: Lincoln and Douglas–ended slavery, wrote and signed the Emancipation.

          It was white southerners who fought against segregation, who voted no. It was Democrats called Dixiecrats who demanded segregation. So many whites and blacks were friends in the South, hated the KKK and did not want segregation because it would separate friends and kill business.

          BTW: My father’s older brother was a man who stood up on a restaurant table in the 1940s in the DC//Virginia area and called out the diner owner as a racist when he forbid the waitress to wait on one of the women at the table: A black woman. Dad’s church was visiting the Capital and we’re from the North where segregation didn’t exist, so they entered a segregated diner unknowingly. But dad’s older brother who was the elder in church refused to leave until they all were served and all could eat. When the owner and waitress refused, my uncle got up on a table and started yelling about God’s creating us all equally in His image and he demanded that if anyone in that diner agreed with him that black Americans had the same rights as whites, to get up and not pay for their food and leave.

          Dad said every customer got up and left without paying. My father was about 12, his brother was 22 years older. My father never forgot it. I was raised that way, as were many whites in this country that is not a racist country. The Left needs and wants racism because it has always made them wealthy through control over human life

          • clbrown

            I love that story. And that reflects how we all SHOULD look at matters.

            There are scum, of all ethnic backgrounds. And there are good men and women of all ethnic backgrounds. Judge us all, by all means… but do so based upon the content of our character, not the color of our skin. :)

            It’s not lost on me that those who were always the most dedicated to separating the races and treating other races than their own as “inferiors” have now managed to institutionalize this, so that large portions of those racial groups now accept their “inferior” status as a matter of course.

            The “slavemasters” have won, in those cases, it seems.

            But good men and women will always prevail in the end. The story your father told you is a wonderful example of that.

            And that’s why they now tell us all to “sit down and shut up” when we try to speak out. And that, most of all, is why we must never give in to that pressure to “remain silent” in the face of evil.

    • tim

      doesn’t give big black dough boy the right to rob and try to murder cops.

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        You were there? Oh good! Can you please tell us all exactly how this went down?

        • Eagle2758

          Were you there,eh. Don’t think so.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I wasn’t and never claimed to be.

    • ipsd48

      strange that you’d believe the words of someone involved in a capital crime over a police officer

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        Because police are incapable of wrong doing and never lose their heads, right?

        • ipsd48

          No. Because the statement accusing the cop was by someone INVOLVED in a robbery.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Dorian Johnson’s account was backed up by other eye witnesses that claimed to have seen the officer chase after Brown while continuing to shoot, hit him in the back and continue to shoot him even after he was facing the officer with his hands up.

          • clbrown

            Ummm… Gabby, do you have any idea what a bullet shot does to a person? Have you ever been shot yourself? (I have).

            MAYBE if the officer was firing a BB-gun, that story would make sense. But a police-issue .38 revolver?

            I really think you need to put your prejudices aside and start using something called CRITICAL THINKING. Apparently, too much of your info about how the real world works has been drawn from watching episodes of “The A-Team?”

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            … so you think everyone that’s ever been shot falls immediately to the ground? You’ve been watching too many movies.

        • clbrown

          No, but a WISE person doesn’t “take sides” without evidence.

          You’re judging, without facts, purely based upon EMOTION.

          Which makes you an utter fool.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I’m not, “idpd48″ is. I’m just pointing out the fact that police officers are not superheros, they’re human beings (in uniform) capable of wrong doing, just like the rest of us.

          • clbrown

            I agree with that. But you’ve lept to conclusions already.

            I base my own judgement on evidence, and on which story is the most plausible.

            The “brown was innocent of any wrongdoing and was just minding his own business when the cop tried to drag him by his neck into the police car through the window” story is so utterly laughable that anyone who’s not blinded by racial animus would dismiss it on its face.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy
  • http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/ Pissed Off Too

    Why don’t you leave? The statist in you wound enjoy North Korea.

    • lisarichards124

      Oh my, I love freedom to all and don’t believe in violence, so I must be a statist, even though I fight against big government. You darling, need to remove the chip in your shoulder and open your eyes. But I think you are afraid to because you would have to stop hating whites and blaming whites.

      Blame Dems, progressives, the left, not those who want the Constitution kept and America restored

  • JMHunt

    It’s truly a shame to be okay with sort of thing when it falls in line with a person’s politics or ideology. Or racism. It’s about the abuse of power, which only cares about race when it’s in the abusers interest to care about. Unchecked, this happens in white on white situations, black on black situations, whatever on whatever. The possibility this was gross unjustified use of deadly force should concern any American.

    • Arrgh2112

      So where is the publicity and presidential intervention when it’s not a white on black situation? Double and triple standards really suck. But then again so do leftists.

      • JMHunt

        Sandy Hook. Lots of publicity, and actual presidential intervention there (attempts to pass legislation, not just words). Or was it 26 black kids and teachers in that one, too?

        • Arrgh2112

          So you are willing to be that obtuse. I guess that the evil and omnipotent GWB was racist due to him not pontificating on the needless slaughter of black people on 9/11.

          • JMHunt

            Only as obtuse as you ignoring that this situation is special in that it has sparked civil unrest, rioting,
            and has has been front and center in front of the American public for
            days. Much like Sandy Hook put the issue of guns/gun-control front and center before the nation and held the news cycle for days/weeks.

        • jsl55

          The 26 blacks being murdered is happening every week in Chicago – done by other blacks.

    • Eagle2758

      What should really concern all Americans is the fact that the race card is bieng used, again, by Obama,Holder,Not-so-Sharp-ton and Jackson, the Just-Us bruthas. Also should be concerned about the tribal, entitlement and violent attitudes of the rioter and looters. That’s why we have a national Guard with tanks, gunships, etc. to stop this kind of Bullsheeeit.

  • moedom

    I agree that an unarmed person. with allegedly their hands up, should NOT be shot, but the animals rioting and looting in Ferguson are nothing more than animals themselves. I have to believe the uproar from them is because they feel they have lost one of their own—someone who would be more than willing to loot and shoot. Race war??? Well, guess who’s carrying it on…………………….You rioters are just not with it—you’re looting, robbing and shooting yourselves—and I can’t do much more than congratulate you—keep up the good work. Keep eliminating youselves—-.
    And, just WHY was this Brown person said to be a “good kid”???????????????????

    • sadlyso

      Most of them don’t care about the loss but used this tragic as an opportunity to looting , rioting, robbing and many more. Than came Al Sharpton and the Pink Panthers and pour more hate oil into this brush fire and created an uncontrolled lake of fire.

  • pateboo

    Something tells me his family couldn’t hold him in their arms if they WANTED to.

  • Gabrielle Alyse

    Keep in mind that all the family had to go on for a whole day was the eye witnesses’ accounts, as police refused to tell the family that gathered at the scene what had happened. They didn’t get his version of events until the rest of the world did too.

    • Arrgh2112

      And he was such a good boy too. Really?

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        … I don’t think you’re reading my posts before you respond to them, lol. Come on, you can do it, I know you can!

  • Gabrielle Alyse

    You still don’t know that Dorian was lying. This video does not tell you what happened at the scene of the shooting.

  • John W.H.

    I see Eric Holder is going to throw the full force of his office into making sure the cop doesn’t get away with shooting this thug. Why is it that these racist a$$holes, Obama, who is broken hearted, Holder, Sharpton, and all the blacks in this little community that started rioting, are almost always on the wrong side?? I would like to see what these morons would do if a 300 pound thug, was trying to rip their head off?? If I had been that cop I would have kept shooting till I knew the threat was eliminated !!

    • Gabrielle Alyse

      If the officer did indeed shoot him in the back while fleeing and a few more times after he turned and raised his hands like witnesses said, he should not be allowed back on the force, period.

    • clbrown

      Oh, that’s very easy to see. They see “the black community” as what they’ve so successfully used it for… “canon fodder” in their attempt to overthrow the American system which restricts the power which they can exercise over all of us.

      That they’re using “the black community” as one of their most effective tools to put us ALL back into slavery again… I’m sure that they take huge pleasure in the irony of it.

  • Gigi

    Ok so because Mike Brown robbed the convenient store “armed”… He had his life taken from him and not just arrested like police officers normally do when someone commits a crime… Although this video clearly shows that he is unarmed, lets say he is, if so, why the HELL would the clerk chased him out if he was armed?!?

    It’s just confusing to me how this kid robs a store, gets murdered. But James E. Holmes walks into a movie theater, kills 12, and injures 58. Did police officers shot him dead? No….

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/

    • JMHunt

      They’re saying “strong-armed”, that he used force/intimidation in the robbery.

      Of course that only is relevant to the robbery. In the context of his confrontation with the officer, he was unarmed.

      • clbrown

        Except that the narrative, now coming out after the internal investigation, demonstrates that this “kid” assaulted the police officer.

    • P5Driver

      Ignorant comment GeeGee, Brown would have been rd and not shot if he hadn’t done what he did after being stopped by the police….you can’t make apples out of oranges, Holmes would have been shot if he didn’t do as instructed. Now, go to your room.

    • clbrown

      You’re drawing conclusions based upon a total lack of knowledge… judging before having facts… aka “pre-judging”… aka PREJUDICE.

      The “kid” was six foot four and around 300 pounds. I’d say that he wasn’t a “kid” at all, but a MAN. At what point did we all start describing people who are in their twenties as kids, for that matter? No, he wasn’t a “kid” at all. He was, in every meaningful way (including in the legal sense) an ADULT.

      We’re starting to get the “rest of the story” now. Such as the fact that the description of events from his co-thief (seen in the video) doesn’t match up with reality. Such as the fact that the officer attempted to arrest this 300-pound “little kid” and the “kid” assaulted the police officer and attempted to get his weapon from him, resulting in a gunshot through the roof of the vehicle. And, despite the B.S. claims of his co-thief, he was not “attempting to surrender” when he was shot.

      You’re a fool, or a propagandist. It’s hard to be sure which.

      And I’ll just BET that you’re a relatively well-off white woman who lives in a secure, stable, safe suburb, and has never encountered this sort of street thug. Am I wrong about that?

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        So size is what determines manhood now? News to me.

        • clbrown

          So, Gabrielle, if this 300-lb LEGALLY ADULT MALE were to approach you on a subway station, in an aggressive fashion… would you find yourself thinking “awww, what a cute widdle kiddykins?”

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            He was probably this size or close to it when he was underaged too. Size does not a man make, that’s all I’m saying.

          • Eagle2758

            You sound like you would like to piss Brown off and let him beat you for a few minutes,eh.

          • lisarichards124

            When my 5’10″ brother was that height at 14, he egged a cop car, was caught by the cop as he ran and taken back to our house. My father was so embarrassed and told my brother that he shamed our family by doing that to a man who protects our town, he told the cop to take my brother in and hold him as long as he and the sheriff wanted. My brother freaked out and it was “daddy, why?” Dad’s answer: “You violated the law when you egged a cop’s car. You have no right to break laws and vandalism is breaking the law.” He came home 30 hours later with mega apologies to dad, but also to the police, who dad made my brother write a letter of apology to. Needless to say, he never got in trouble again, and I didn’t even think about it. If dad would let the cops take us for egging, Holy Smoke. And our father is a dad who never had to lay a hand on us. He knew how to use psychology and what would make us snap out of any brattiness. And no, my brother was not held in a cell, because he was not arrested, he said he had to sit next to the cops desk while all the cops–five– lectured him and told him that he was a good kid who could do great things if he put his mind to it and stopped acting like a little brat, but if he didn’t, he could wind up in worse trouble and go down a road that led to prison and death. When he graduated high, those cops were some of the people he thanked. Years later, he’s a business man and a man who loves God

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Well at least your brother wasn’t shot for egging a car. Great story.

          • lisarichards124

            My brother wasn’t wrestling with the cops gun. And he wasn’t robbing a place. The parents of this kid did not do their job as too many in this country–black and white–are not doing well. Kids need a healthy fear of mom and dad, even if they are divorced, and they need God.

          • Dave

            Raising children does not come with guarantees. Do you have information to prove that these parents did not do their job? At what age do you think that one should quit blaming the parents for the actions of their adult children? I’ve have seen kids raised (if you want to call it that) under horrible circumstances, turn out to be upstanding and successful adults. Do you think that I should give their parents credit for “doing their job”? On the other hand I have seen kids “raised by the book”, and they are now sitting in prison. As to your statement concerning “a healthy fear of mom and dad”, I agree. However understand that the media, the gov’t and the public education system are telling kids not to fear their parents. If little Johnny doesn’t like something Dad or Mom told him to do, he can whine to his teacher and his parent’s lives will become a living hell. Like it or not, it is virtually impossible to raise kids properly in this day and age and not be at high risk for trouble with the law.

          • lisarichards124

            Note God. Take Him out, do not instill Him in your children and good luck! At least with God, if kids make bad choices, as kids always do at some point, God is the key factor in becoming better, doing right, choosing right over wrong.

            And this kid was still young enough for his parents to do something. As to schools, parents can push hard to take control. Enough with the government has control. That’s giving in and giving up.

            To say its impossible to raise kids these days is giving up on them and handing them over to the state, to crime, to the race-hustlers. You just gave up with that comment. What a shame, that’s the problem: Those who say its virtually impossible to raise kids these days. Nothing is ever impossible with God and a refusal to give up and give in and take your attitude

          • Dave

            I didn’t “give up”. My kids are raised. You haven’t answered any of my questions. Also, I did not state that it is virtually impossible to raise kids these days. Reread my post and you should see that.

        • Azsteve53

          A six foot four, 295 pound man who is 18 years old and is on store surveillance video choking some poor probably elderly store. clerk should be treated as a man.

          Once again you set one standard for Brown, and without doubt another standard for whites. Why do you play the race card Gabrielle, in nearly every post ?

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You didn’t really answer the question. Is size what determines manhood now? That’s what the user above insinuated. What “standard did I set” for blacks or whites with this question?

          • SiRobertson

            If he can join the military, he’s considered an adult.

        • Arrgh2112

          When are you going to post the picture from his third grade year and say that the video is false?

      • Gigi

        I’m prejudice because I don’t agree with the fact that the kid is dead regardless of wether he was 300 pounds or 130 pounds… Earlier today I read he was 18 (he’s still a kid)…. And no hunny I’m from roxbury, mass 02119… You can definitely google that, I live far from the safe suburban areas of Massachusetts…

    • SiRobertson

      Hello….let him use brute force on you with his arms, hands and body and just see if you don’t believe he’s “armed”. About twice as many people are murdered by another person’s body as by guns and knives. Brown could’ve merely sat on someone and incapacitated or killed them.

  • HongryHawg

    There you have it. The true story of what happened and the Punk’s moving in on top of it for no other reason than to shore up the base that he knows he’s losing. It will work to a degree, but that it will work at all makes a pathetic statement on current race relations exasperated by the lying muslim bent on jihad, however he can accomplish it.

  • Mark KIing

    Clearly, It’s just not appropriate any longer that Negro’s are allowed to wander our streets unleashed and/or unattended.

    They are just too innately violent. We must find a way to control and isolate them for everyone’s safety. Return of Jim Crow and Segregation?

    • clbrown

      Riiiiight… Either you are an idiot, or more likely, a PLANT.

      There are plenty of really nasty people of all variety of ethnicities…. including your own.

      Choosing to insult an entire group, based upon characteristics they have no choice over… well, that’s just evil.

      The vast majority of black people, who you just lumped into a “category,” do NOT approve of the behavior of this street thug, nor do they oppose the police.

      The problem is that a small, but very vocal, minority, empowered by propaganda and ignorance of facts, is so easily manipulated by their “masters” into doing what those “masters” want to have happen.

      Many, many people who have African ancestry… including quite a few people who frequent these forums, just FYI… see through this all, very easily.

      And all of us reading your comments also see through your efforts to paint “the right” as “stupid racist assholes,” too.

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        I’m willing to bet his post has upwards of 15 up votes before the end of the day. I think you just can’t face that fact that some on the right really do think this way. It’s very sad, but it’s reality.

        • clbrown

          Very, very few on the “right” actually do think this way. In my own personal experience, the vast majority of racism I’ve encountered has come from the left. From those who want to claim that “black people just can’t help it, because they’re inferior to us.”

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            This is not the first comment of its nature to appear on this site geared towards right-wingers. They’re all over and all have plenty of up votes to boot.

          • clbrown

            I remember being at a “Tea Party” event a while back. There weren’t a LOT of black folks there, but there were more than just one or two. And at one point, a small group of younger white folks (three or four) showed up with racist signs and so forth.

            Uniformly, the entire group challenged these idiots and sent them packing. They were obnoxious, offensive… and entirely in opposition to the position of those who were legitimately there.

            Someone had an idea, and took photos of each of these guys, before they left. And later on, these same folks showed up in the “black brigade” elements of the “occupy wallstreet” movement. (That’s the segment which was trying to foment violence.)

            Now, there are two ways you can read this. First, that these guys were actually leftist radicals, trying to create a “false flag” situation to fraudulently paint the “Tea Party” groups as racist. Or second, that these guys were “neither of the above” but were simply trying to cause problems and bring conflict to the front in situations where it might not otherwise occur… ie, that they were neither “Tea Party” nor “Occupy” loyalists.

            But the one thing we know for certain is that these guys who were trying to pretend to be “Tea Party racists” were frauds.

            And that’s the ONLY example of that which I’ve ever encountered.

          • SiRobertson

            Guess you’d better get used to it. Blacks are acting out worse than ever since your boy, homobama, has been in our WH. The worse they act, the more people are getting fed up.

            Why don’t you chide those who need it instead of always just trying to squelch free speech from innocent, lawful people? Go jump on blacks for being so pathetic.

          • lisarichards124

            Here I have to disagree. The Left is racist. The Left invented the KKK, Slavery was kept by Democrats, the Left, the Left started segregation and white Republicans fought it and slavery. The Left shot at black Southerners while the white NRA armed black southerners to shoot for self-defense.

            LBJ hated the Civil Rights Act of 65. Republicans had to force him to sign it. FDR instituted welfare, LBJ escalated it into black families. How is that right, fair, justice? It’;s wrong, it takes the chance to rise up away. But that left wing loser said “the poor should be comfortable in their poverty.” How can any human being ever be comfortable in poverty? It creates sadness inside the soul. Thats not comfort, that is creating a group of under class. But notice whom LBJ underclassed: Blacks. LBJ was a piece of bleep. He was no Martin Luther King Jr.

        • Azsteve53

          His post has two up votes and is probably done, gee Gabrielle looks like your USA Today article exonerating Brown was puvlished a tad before the facts are known.

          Since the Black Missouri Highway Patrol Captain now in charge said on national TV that this incident is NOT a black vs. white issue, why are you here repeatedly playing the race card ?

          • clbrown

            I’ll bet that one of those “upvotes” is from Gabrielle herself, and another is from “JMHunt.”

          • JMHunt

            Actually you can just hover over the upvote and find out who voted for it, instead of betting on who might have. Eliminates the grand mystery for you :)

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            If it is gone, that’s great. I guess the Clash moderators are finally doing their jobs because they haven’t been as of late. Comments just like that one are all over this website with plenty of up votes. I’ve even had comments of mine flagged to the point of being moderated for asking why blatantly racist posts are being allowed to remain on this site… my comments were removed (even though they did not violate the posting policy) but the ones containing racial slurs remained. To deny that people that think this way exist on the right is to deny reality IMO.
            The reason I shared my sources regarding Brown’s nonexistent criminal record was because so many users were posting lists of priors and attributing them to Brown when, in fact, he did not have a criminal record. What’s so wrong with that?

          • SiRobertson

            You’re just a “Nellie Olson” type tattle tale, always the brown nose I would imagine. Leave everyone alone….we have free speech whether you like it or not, agree or disagree.

            Why are you so afraid of what others think and say? You seem terribly paranoid. Are you afraid the truth will spread about your race so you try to shut everyone down who dares to speak it?

            Yeah, that’s what you’re doing. Get over it…..your people are the ones causing all the disention so get up their butts about it.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Is that why you flag all of my posts just because you disagree with them? Because I have a right to free speech whether you like it or not, agree or disagree. You’re the one trying to stifle my free speech by flagging posts that don’t violate the posting policy.

          • lisarichards124

            Even if we disagree, you have the right to post. And I do agree with you about the nasty “N” word calling. It’s uncalled for. If any one here has a black relative, I have an black aunt, so I have bi-racial cousins, and I hate the “N” word, because it’s disgustingly calling my own flash and blood inferior. And my cousins would never rob a store, because my aunt would smack the snot out of them with her strict Baptist hands. And what of my friends who are black? Are they “N’s?” No, they are my friends who see me just as a person, a friend, so we can refrain from “N” and other words. We can argue and disagree without foul words used to describe.

            And when I say thug, I direct that at a criminal whatever their skin color or race or gender. Thug is the bad guy no matter who he or she is

          • SiRobertson

            Why don’t you address the real problem (blacks’ behavior) instead of trying to shut the voices of truth down? That would show some maturity.

          • Arrgh2112

            That”s all she’s got. Just wait for the condescending BS to follow.

        • lisarichards124

          Anyone who calls blacks apes is a loser. Their beyond racism to complete moron loser. Facts are facts: Black thug, white thug, doesn’t matter, a thug is a thug if they commit violent robberies, crimes, etc. Skin color doesn’t define thug, actions by person do: Black, white, male, female, young adult, older, whatever. You act violently, you’re a thug.

          I dont go for the racist crap. It can be pulled both ways and its nothing but uneducated idiocy.

          This big young adult is seen on tape acting violently. Cop says they wrestled with gun–that can be proven through forensics, all can that went on between both men. What is sad is that a city is rioting and looting and Al Sharpton is fueling that instead of condemning it, saying stop, no one should act this way, it doesn’t bring back a life or solve anything. Sharpton is using it for political propaganda and in doing so he is using the people of Ferguson. That is wrong. How does more violence ever solve anything. It only fuels hate and will hurt more people. I think all of us Americans are better than that. Don’t be pawns ever to anyone playing race tension. Say no to it

  • Ovomit1

    The gentle giant ….was a gentle thug…..no more gentle crimes ….for gentle michael

  • http://americaisboiling.com/ frog-out-of-kettle

    It does change the narrative but if he was shot in the back or hands up, then the cop is toast. Hopefully the truth will come out and justice will be served.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Let’s examine that. Someone so aggressive and violent as to do a strong-arm robbery, then try to kill a cop(you) is running from you, and you have seen such desperate types snatch up the first smaller person or child they can as a hostage–you gonna risk that, or shoot him in the back, knowing he has already shown he is willing to kill to get away?

    • lisarichards124

      And what is justice? The cop is white so he’s automatically racist, a killer who sought out this big, fat young ADULT to kill him. He beat up the cop and was wrestling with the cops gun before the cop got him off him and the 6’4″ 290 pound snot takes off. If he takes off running away from a cop after a violent robbery, he’s not going to run away while putting hands up to surrender, or he would have surrendered right after the cop got him off his–the cops–body. This guy did not surrender. And you don’t run away and surrender as you are running away.

  • Dave

    That is my main b!tch about LEOs and people in authority. Just last week a friend of mine went into the police station to report that her car had been vandalized. The cop who took the report tried to pressure her into dating him and I’m not talking about just “asking her out”. He is a married man. Being that he is in a position of authority he was in fact committing a felony. This police dept. has had many complaints of sexual impropriety. It is so bad that, two police chiefs have been replaced in one years time for their sexual impropriety. If I were to act out in this manner in my occupation, I would be fired and more than likely prosecuted. My attitude about cops did not develop overnight, nor did it develop because of any criminal actions on my part. Amongst other things, it developed because of the way I’ve seen LEOs break the law up to and including felonies and not be punished in a meaningful way, like the rest of us are. Many times they are not punished at all. At best they are “let go” and end up preying upon civilians in other jurisdictions. Incidentally years ago, I voluntarily went to bat for a cop in a case in which a woman hit and bit him. I did so because it was the right thing to do, (I know firsthand what it is like to be falsely accused). In all honesty this cop showed a great deal of restraint in the situation. I don’t see that restraint in the current generation of cops. I wouldn’t trust a cop this day and age anymore than I trust a street thug. The street thug has to worry about “getting caught”, the cop not so much.

  • colt38

    I can not imagine a seasoned PO trying to drag a MAN (Not a Teen) into his patrol car and fight someone who is most likely 100 lbs heavier to conduct a field interview.
    Not likely.

    • Azsteve53

      That would not happen, not even in the wildest fantasies of progressives

      • Mobetta Jenkem

        “…not even in the wildest fantasies of progressives”

        And those goofballs have some vivid imaginations, fueled as they are by their myriad recreational drugs of choice…

  • clbrown

    The “witness” who said that was the fellow who was with him as he strong-arm-robbed the convenience store. A fellow with a rap sheet longer than your arm.

    Are you SURE you want to take his story as “gospel?”

    • Gabrielle Alyse

      His account was back up by other eye witnesses. Are you going to dismiss them too?

      • Imam Khalid of Basra

        If they were all ‘bruthas’ wanting to ‘stick it to the man’ then, yes.

      • SiRobertson

        Yes, they were black women and it will come out they aren’t credible either.

        • Gabrielle Alyse

          Their race determines whether or not they’re telling the truth in your eyes?

    • Arrgh2112

      Yes, she does. If she didn’t have her history locked you’d be able to see that in her eyes there is never any wrongdoing in anything a person of color does. I’ve seen her drivel on other threads and it’s the same every time.

      • SiRobertson

        Yep, every single time, which is why she trolls this site and rarely any other. She believes she’s the monitor for all things said about race. She’s very paranoid that the truth of her race is being spread to all the brainwashed who’ve been propagandized for 50 years.

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        Lies.

  • bikerbob

    cross hairs and a twitch … would cure the thug life….kill em all – let god sort em out

  • sovereigntyofone

    It doesn’t matter to these protesters if he robbed 10 stores, they just want an excuse to make (fill in the blank) of themselves and cause chaos. Look at the over all attitude of this type of people. They love knock out games no matter who gets killed or injured. So, what difference would it make if this 18 y/o punk robbed a store or 100 for that matter.
    Just my 2 cents worth.

  • Gabrielle Alyse

    And how can you determine that?

    • clbrown

      It’s pretty easy.

      Put your own race aside (as I do) and simply look at the claims being made.

      It’s utterly nonsensical, what’s being claimed. I suppose if you’re stoned, it might make sense to you, but to anyone using their brain, the claims of the supposed “witnesses” are utterly nonsensical on every level (plus the fact that they claimed that the guy had done nothing wrong and was just minding his business… despite the video we’ve all seen by now showing him robbing, and assaulting, a store clerk.

      Put your skin color and your ancestry aside, and look at this LOGICALLY.

      One side of the story makes sense, and fits the available facts. The other is so implausible as to be laughable.

      This 300-lb, aggressive (and with a rap sheet, remember) “kid”… it’s a shame that he’s dead, but if he did what all the evidence shows (including the physical injuries suffered by the would-be arresting officer while trying to take him into custody for the burglary I mentioned earlier, when “the little kid” assaulted him, beat him, and attempted to get his weapon from him)… he got what he was asking for.

      The people responsible for his fate are, in order… (a) HIM, (b) all the people who taught him, his entire life, that he didn’t need to live up to any standards of conduct, and (c) those who wanted him to feel powerless so that they could use him to promote their own political ambitions.

      The “black community” has NOT been well-served by any of these.

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        Nobody but Dorian Johnson claimed that Brown had done nothing wrong. I watched the other girls give their version of events and they were pretty objective. Why are they “supposed ‘witnesses’” in your mind?
        Brown did not have a criminal record. According to reports that I’ve read, the robbery was unrelated to the reasoning behind stopping Brown and Johnson. They were stopped for jaywalking, not because they were suspects.

    • Eagle2758

      The “witnesses” are lying. Therefore, no credibility. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist or mental giant to figure that out, unless you are racist, which appears to be about right.

  • clbrown

    When the “eyewitnesses” claim that this officer reached out THROUGH THE POLICE CAR WINDOW and “grabbed Brown by the neck, attempting to pull him into the vehicle”… yeah, damned straight I’m going to “dismiss” that.

    Because it’s a physical impossibility, unless the officer had eight-foot-long arms.

    So yeah, Gabrielle, I’m able to use my brain and see that something which is not possible is definitely “worth dismissing.”

    • Gabrielle Alyse

      So basically you’re saying you’re dismissing eye witnesses’ accounts because you don’t think it’s possible for a man to grab another man by the throat through the open window of an SUV. Besides, Dorian Johnson is the only one that claims to have seen that. The others have corroborated the part of his version of events that has everyone up in arms… that the officer chased Brown while continuing to shoot at his back, hit him in the back, and continued to fire on him even though he appeared to be surrendering with his hands in the air.

  • Ignatz

    The police chief has said that the altercation with Darren Wilson had nothing to do with the convenience store. Wilson knew nothing about it.

    Brown was unarmed.

    He was shot while running away.

    He was shot with his hands in the air from a distance of 35 feet.

    10 times.

    For shoplifting cigars?

    You sure you want to go with that?

    • clbrown

      I LOVE this narrative… a 300-pound self-identified “thug” and who is legally an adult… and yet, to fit the “narrative,” he’s a KID.

      BULL.

      • JMHunt

        And this comment has what to do with the context of the post you responded to? So he should be referred to as a man not a kid? Wow, now you have blown the case wide open!

        • clbrown

          Actually, yeah, I have… insofar as proving the insincerity and deceptiveness of those on the other side of the argument, including your own arguments.

      • lisarichards124

        If the kid were white, he would called a thug by media, and we whites would also call him a thug, because only a thug does what this big, fat snot did. Black, white, c’mon people, a thug is a thug, and this young ADULT attacked with brute force, and he believed he was entitled to it by the way he acts on tape

    • Azsteve53

      The witness who appears to say Brown was running away was a robbery accomplice. NO coroners report is out yet and no one knows the distance he was shot at.

      What we do know from the media is that the police officer was assaulted.

      Here is a clue, Mr. Brown choked out the store clerk and his crime was not shoplifitng but strong armed robbery

      • JMHunt

        Choked out? Where did you get that? Choking someone out is the application of a choke hold that results in a loss of consciousness. Did we miss that in the video?

        • Azsteve53

          Did you miss the store surveillance video JM Hunt ? In it is the hand of a 300 pound man choking the neck of the store clerk half his size

          And you are wrong about the term “choking out”, you obviously know nothing about choke holds or how it feels to have someone choking the air out of your lungs with their grip as Mr. Brown is doing to the clerk.

          You post is a complete factual loser

          • JMHunt

            Minute and second?

            At 1:16 he places his hand at the clerks neck and shoves him. If that is what you reference you have no idea what a choke is. It’s over at 1.17…one second. If that is what you would equate to “someone choking the air out of your lungs” than I couldn’t care less how you define facts.

          • Eagle2758

            What part of strong arm robbery don’t you understand,eh. Too bad the clerk didn’t have a 12 ga for these MF’s.

      • Hagar

        Yes the shop keeper looked to maybe weigh 160 lbs this young man was 290. He did not need a gun or weapon of any kind. The shop; keeper should have had a 12 ga. and used it.

      • Ignatz

        [The witness who appears to say Brown was running away was a robbery
        accomplice. ]

        Tiffany Mitchell was not an accomplice.

        If Dorian Johnson WAS a robbery accomplice, why wasn’t he arrested?

        [NO coroners report is out yet and no one knows the distance
        he was shot at.]

        His body was 35 feet from the patrol car. Which is consistent with Tiffany Mitchell’s testimony.

        Yeah, no coroner’s report. Do you have any question that if the coroner’s report exonerated the cop, it would have been released? We knew what happened to Robin Williams in a day. Michael Brown, we have to wait a month. For the toxicology results. Which means “We hope that we find out he was smoking pot, so we can use it as an excuse for killing him.”

        [Here is a clue, Mr. Brown choked out the store clerk and his crime was not shoplifitng but strong armed robbery]

        The police chief has said that the altercation with Darren Wilson had
        nothing to do with the convenience store. Wilson knew nothing about it.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      I think you should actually read the article before commenting.

    • SiRobertson

      Wow, we have an eye witness! I bet you are one of those who believes Zimmerman was stalking the little angel, Trayvon, and just couldn’t wait to shoot the little unarmed boy, too.

  • Azsteve53

    This is no slam dunk not at all, everyone needs for the rest of the facts, coroners report on gun shot distance, etc. to see if Mr. Brown actually went for the officers gun like he was alleged to.

    With that said it is not looking good for Brown and his robbery accomplice witness.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Based on available information, it likely is, according to the law if applied correctly.

  • JMHunt

    Of course you have. You’ve proved it all, definitively.

    • clbrown

      Ah, I love it when leftists can’t answer a point… they always resort to “Alinsky rule 5.”

      You guys want to claim that this was an “innocent kid” in an attempt to sway opinion through EMOTION, rather than LOGIC.

      So, naturally, pointing out that he was neither “innocent” nor a “widdle biddy kiddy” is the worst thing someone can do, insofar as your own efforts to push your agenda are concerned.

      Yes, I do see through you, quite clearly, “JM.”

      • JMHunt

        Point out where I called him innocent, or otherwise implied he was faultless, since you see things so clearly.

        And this time, instead of an ad hominem response, just reply to the above directly.

        • Eagle2758

          Send in the National Guard and Marines if need be. Got to see that in LA up close and personal. Wanna riot? Go ahead, we have M1 tanks.

        • clbrown

          Please, “JM,” tell me what the “ad hominem” was in my response. YOU engaged in one, sure, but where did I?

          I was not originally responding to you at all in this thread. So, you responded to me with your sad attempt at “mockery,” and I pointed out what you were doing.

          And by pointing out what you’re doing, that’s somehow an “ad hominem?”

          I do not think that term means what you think it means.

          • JMHunt

            You “(were) was not originally responding to you at all…”

            Well you replied to the post I made, and that was what subsequently I responded to. I never in any way called or implied Brown was innocent. If you weren’t responding to me at all, then don’t hit reply on my post. Easy fix.

          • clbrown

            No, nice try, but no… you’re “skipping ahead.”

            My original post in this thread was this, in response to Ignatz.

            “I LOVE this narrative… a 300-pound self-identified ‘thug and who
            is legally an adult… and yet, to fit the ‘narrative,’ he’s a KID.

            “BULL.”

            You responded to that, with your snarky “And this comment has what to do with the context of the post you responded to? So he should be referred to as a man not a kid? Wow, now you have blown the case wide open!?”

            And that is what I identified, correctly, as an attempt to distract and deflect using the popular “Alinsky Rule #5.”

          • JMHunt

            Yes, nice try. I posted the pic of my post you directly replied to. Nice try indeed.

          • clbrown

            You’re a liar, or a fool, or both, “JM.” You can go up the thread and see, for yourself, where my first post was… and the quote I provided was, indeed, the first post I made in this thread. The second quote I provided was your response… and the “pic” you posted was my reply to THAT comment.

            Are you really so foolish as to believe that you can “trick” anyone with that argument?

            It’s truly sad. But then again, I see who you are, and I realize what you’re trying to do, and that’s even sadder.

    • Eagle2758

      Come rob my store, see what you get.

  • Gabrielle Alyse

    What conclusions have I leapt to, pray tell?

  • Hagar

    Just a chld, like treyvon, LOL. This man was 6ft 4, weighted 290 lbs. I guess he to went to church every Sunday and had to walk up hill both ways.
    If this man was trying to take your weapon and beating the heck out of you, Would you perhaps make sure when he went down he stayed down?? I surely would. But then I would never be a cop swearing to protect people like this.
    However, I do admire those employees who stood their ground in front of their stores and made sure the looters did not loot their stores. Those who did not I hope their insurance companies do not pay to restore their businesses.

    • Arrgh2112

      Don’t forget through the foot and a half of snow. He probably worked with deaf, dumb and blind third world “refugees” and surely lead the youth choir. It won’t take long for some twisted leftist to put him up for sainthood.

      • lorlan4

        Mother Theresa

  • Arrgh2112

    That’s ok…he just tried to point to poverty as a cause for the skewed data showing that the black community commits the majority of the crimes. After all, that means that they are allowed to break every law, steal anything and treat people any way they want too. Yup, makes perfect sense when you have a cranial-rectal inversion.

    • JMHunt

      You missed the point in that post, and you’ve missed it here. Poverty level has an influence in crime rates, among many things. To isolate only one factor/stat (race, as you attempted to do in the other post) and declare that’s all that is needed to reach a conclusion doesn’t serve truth, only your agenda. It’s dishonest and exemplary of a narrow mind. Poverty doesn’t make committing crime okay, which you are implying that I condone, that is a lie on your part. Part of your comprehension problem is your inability stick to the language & the point.

      And, surprisingly, clbrown has been unable to answer the simple and direct question I made above.

      • Eagle2758

        We should limit their welfare and free crap, and maybe they should stop playing the victim and race card and get a job

        • clbrown

          Some black people don’t want, and don’t use, welfare, and don’t play the victim and race cards, and have jobs.

          And some white folks DO engage in all of those practices.

          It’s not about skin color… it’s about personal philosophy, which is independent of skin color. It just so happens that a significant segment of the african-descent population have been trained to think in this fashion.

      • clbrown

        Oh, yes, the typical response… I DID give you an answer to your question, but you don’t like it, so you plug your ears and hum, really loudly, and then pretend not to have heard it.

        Cute.

        My response to your own attempt at distraction was to re-state my original point, which YOU had challenged, remember?

        My original point was that those who are trying to use this situation as a sociopolitical sledgehammer against their “enemies” are trying to portray this large, intimidating thug as a “sweet lil kiddie” in an effort to use emotions, rather than intellect, to sway the argument.

        You responded with typical Alinsky-style mockery… “wow, you’ve blown the case wide open.”

        But you failed to recognize that, yes, that’s EXACTLY what I’d done… when you realize that “the case” is not “what happened between this civilian and this law enforcement officer” but rather “how is a political movement attempting to transform this into something which they can use for their own political gain?”

  • Arrgh2112

    Do you really want to start comparing bases? Wander on back to huffpuff and wapo and watch the hatred drip off of any thread about GWB and Palin.

  • roy hoco

    I see a definite trend going here. every time a young negro man is shot and killed by a white police officer
    it turns out the person shot was a choirboy on the way home from choir practice. Now who going to sing bass on Sunday?

  • Matt

    Well it seems the same police chief has since confirmed that the officer involved in the shooting had no knowledge that Michael Brown was a suspect of this robbery.

    “[The robbery] had nothing to do with the stop,” Ferguson, Mo., police Chief Thomas Jackson told reporters.

    “They were walking down the middle of the street, blocking traffic, that was it,”.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-family-says-no-robbery-justifies-teen-s-execution-1.2737306.

    Mr Joy, I believe that removes several pillars supporting your argument and in fact helps to bury some ugly conclusions your were using this rotten structure to reach.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Actually, if accurate, it supports my argument. How many cops get killed while doing what they think is a routine stop on someone they don’t realize has just committed a crime and thinks the cop knows it, or, doesn’t but immediately will? Criminals love to have the element of surprise for themselves when encountering police, especially when desperate to avoid jail.

      • JMHunt

        Well the police chief made that statement, he has access to the officer > I think it’s safe to say it is accurate. But it doesn’t support what you’ve written; it’s mad to think this turnaround supports your argument. This was not an instantaneous event, where your element of surprise would even be at play. (And are cops now to make more aggressive & possibly lethal decisions based on avoiding the possibility of surprise??) There was a struggle, which ended, then the suspect attempted to flee, your element of surprise is long gone by then.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Lame.

          • JMHunt

            Kudos.

      • lisarichards124

        This cop was called to a robbery, but he could not have known what was about to happen. Probably thought the robbery had taken place, show up, take down account, or show up and arrest. So many times cops show up at robberies and are injured, many times fatally. People who side with thugs assume cops love to kill. Sorry, but they usually get shot, stabbed, injured in high speed chases, bones broken when beat up by those they are only trying to arrest. No cop wants to have to kill anyone. I have had many cop friends and relatives, and the worst thing they face is the thought that a robbery might be worse that just that. Ask any cop who was forced to shoot and kill and they are not happy, but saddened by it. They want the person to surrender, not put up a deadly fight.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy
    • Diane

      In reality the cops full and complete reason, or lack thereof, for stopping him may change the scenario SOME but not drastically. Even if the cop didn’t stop Mr Brown as a suspect in the robbery, Mr Brown still knew he did it and that he had something to hide because of it. Perhaps that is why he acted as he did when attacked the officer as he attempted to exit his car….? He didn’t want to go to jail for robbery? Who knows, maybe during the assault the cop realized this could be the robber he was looking for? IDK, but Once he attacked the cop and grabbed for his gun the cop had every right to self defense. If, after the first shot Mr Brown was still fighting OR fleeing the cop had every right to shoot again. I am NOT saying he deserved to die or that the situation couldn’t have been handled better, or even that the cop didn’t do anything wrong, but hostile, reckless, and violent behavior leads to hostile, reckless, and violent responses and outcomes — Mr Brown was both old and experienced enough to know this. It is easy to look back on what was done after the all shock, urgency, adrenelin, fear, and panic are gone and say what should have been done but things are different in the heat of the moment. I hope the truth is determined and that justice is served – whichever way it goes.

  • Gabrielle Alyse

    I’m not denying there are racists within the left-wing population, I’m sure there are plenty. But unlike right-wing sites, I don’t think I’ve ever seen people claiming the racists are “plants.” We call them what they are and move on… or at least I do.
    Why are people denying that there are racists on the right when that’s obviously not true?

    • clbrown

      Well, I guess it depends on how you define “The right.”

      At the core of Conservative ideology is that every person is an individual, to be judged as an individual, not as a member of a “cluster” they’ve been lumped into.

      Sure, there are some who CLAIM to be “on the right” who don’t agree with that, but to me, that means that they’re NOT on the same side I am.

      Ultimately, anyone who feels that people should be judged on the basis of their appearance, or other characteristics over which they have no control… they’re not “on my side.” Ultimately, anyone who feels that people should be subjects to their rulers, rather than citizens who are served by public servants… THEIR EMPLOYEES… they are not “on my side.”

      It doesn’t matter what letter they have next to their name. And there are certainly some folks who have (R) next to their name who are absolutely not “on my side,” and there are some folks with (D) next to their name who are.

      But by and large, it’s more like almost all who have (D) next to their name are on “the other side” while about 1/2 of those with (R) next to their name are “on the other side.” Meanwhile, I’ve found that, once you separate people from what I refer to as “team jersey politics,” the vast majority of the actual POPULATION are, in fact, on my side of things.

      As Jefferson said, though he wasn’t the first to say it… all of human history can, ultimately, be summed up as a struggle between two conflicting ideologies. That is, whether free men will be allowed to govern themselves, or whether men will be enslaved, and ruled over by a small elite minority.

      Nobody on “my side” judges people based upon ethnicity, racial background, or the like.

      • Dave

        Many on this and other “conservative sites” do exactly the opposite of the basic premise of your reply to Gabrielle (ie judging people as individuals not by their race). When Gabrielle first started posting on this site and others many of the alleged Christians and conservatives referred to her as a “chimp”, “ni&&er”, “ho” and made other nasty remarks directed at her ethnicity and morals just because she has a different point of view. I think that it is logical to conclude that she would view conservatives as racists after being treated in that manner by the aforementioned. Quite honestly she has been polite in all of her responses to me, even though we disagree sharply on many issues.

        • clbrown

          Dave, that may well be true, but that goes back to my original response to the original poster in this thread… he posted ignorant, racist comments, and I pointed out that he was not a “Conservative” at all, but rather either utterly ignorant and just “playing team jersey politics” with no understanding of what his claimed “team” actually believes, or more likely, is attempting to engage in “false flag” deception, in order to fraudulently paint “conversatism” as “racist.”

          I’ve seen far, far too many proven examples of this sort of “false flag” behavior in my life to fail to recognize it as a possibility, and a high likelihood in many cases. I’ve even known people who engaged in that sort of activity, and were paid to do so no less. (They assumed that my background, intelligence, and scientifically-related profession meant I’d “be on their side” when in fact I was the very opposite…)

          So, when I see that sort of behavior, I immediately become suspicious that the person is a “false flag” identity, presented to perpetuate the LIE that “racism is the core of conservatism.” The purpose of this lie is, of course, to make it easier to demonize conservatives, and thus to make it seem that “any tactics used against them are acceptable.”

          The reality is, while a very small number of people who claim to be “conservative” truly do believe that sort of thing, none of those actually understand what the term means… they’re merely ignorantly “team joining” without actually understanding what team they’re “siding with” at all.

          And in those cases, it’s almost always that they’re joining “the team” which the other side is presenting, rather than the real Conservative movement. That is, they’re “joining” a fantasy which exists only in the imagination of those who desperately seek to destroy all conservatives and want to be able to justify it to themselves.

          • Dave

            I actually got your point. If you will notice I used the adjective “alleged” when I referred to Christians and conservatives in my reply. To be quite frank, I’m not so sure that many of these “conservative” sites are actually legit. I wasn’t taking issue with your post, I agree with it. I haven’t seen you on this site before and was merely giving you some background as to why Gabrielle might view conservatives as racists.

      • SiRobertson

        I’m as Conservative as they come, which means I’m not stupid or in denial. There are distinct differences in every race and denying that is just silly and shallow. Every knowledgeable person knows that, collectively speaking, the genetic differences aren’t just physical, but encompass the whole.

        Those who would try to argue this fact just aren’t truly educated or are just dishonest.

        • clbrown

          So, “SiRobertson,” if I told you that I’m of african ancestry… what would your response to that be?

          Are you going to tell me that I’m inferior to you, genetically?

          Of course there are distinct differences, not merely between every “race” but between every INDIVIDUAL. Your hair may not be like my hair. One of us may be taller, or thinner, or stockier, or have darker pigment. One of us may have a much higher IQ. And each of us has genetic traits which derive from our individual ancestry.

          Do you know what “conservative” even means? I see a lot of folks using that language, without the slightest idea what they’re talking about. All “Conservative” means is “in favor of preserving the status quo.” All “Liberal” means is “in favor of changing the status quo.” A “Progressive” is a “liberal” who favors slow, incremental change. A “revolutionary” is a “Liberal” who favors fast, often violent, change.

          None of the above terms have any moral context whatsoever. NONE. What matters is “what are you trying to preserve” or “what new status quo are you trying to create to replace the current status quo?”

          The founders of the United States were originally “Progressives”… they were trying to change the status quo (rulership of the British Crown over the colonies) and create a new one, but thy were trying to do so peacably.

          They became revolutionaries once King George sent troops into Massachusetts.

          At that point, the “Conservatives” were the ones trying to remain subjects of the crown.

          After the revolution, a new status quo was created, and those who wanted to preserve it became “conservatives” while those who wanted to change it became “liberals.”

          Today, we’re talking about those who want to retain the Constitutional limitations on power, versus those who want to expand governmental powers to be unlimited. A “Constitutional Conservative” is how I describe myself. That has meaning.

          What, exactly, do you mean by “conservative?” Other than “team jersey identification?”

    • lisarichards124

      Those so-called right wing sites are radically left wing. No conservative right winger wants anything to do with racists. William F. Buckley through them out of the Republican Party along with Anti-Semites. But thanks to losers like Ron and Rand Paul, tow moron libertarians, they only help idiots infiltrate a party founded by Lincoln and Frederick Douglas

  • Asa JustAsa

    How are you not coming forth as a witness? You obviously were there to have all these details

  • Steve

    Well, I wonder what Jessie, Al and Barack have to say now. Poor black man my asse.

    • lisarichards124

      They are recouping their election strategies right now. Trayvon worked for 2012, they needed another shooting for 2014, but ut oh, this time the brat is caught on tape.

  • taliesin319

    He has time to condole a thugs family but a 4 star General killed in action after spending his life defending his country and then dying for it doesn’t get a video of condolence to be seen at his Arlington burial. Some CIC.
    He needs to be removed from the job he is being paid to do and impeached whether they expel his worthless
    hide from office or not. If Blacks riot. Let them its to be expected of at least 35 % of this group that makes up 12 % of the population and accounts for a lot more than 12 % of the crime. As for the remainder of the Black population they are working for a living and making lives for themselves but will still walk in lockstep and only a very few will speak out and call this behavior a disgrace to them all. Next time the looting starts
    the owners and their friends should be on the roof tops and as soon as the door is kicked in every person removing goods from the store should be shot on the spot.

  • Asa JustAsa

    Would you rather it was an elderly couple that ended up driving up behind these two in the street, instead of law enforcement? Tell me would they have decided to stop thugging people suddenly?

    • lisarichards124

      An elderly couple versus the cop would be robbed, raped and dead by violent thugs. Or beaten to death, or shot to death, or heaven knows what

  • Politiwars

    The damage has already been done by the media. Even the POTUS so much as blamed the police. The truth no longer matters, it’s who gets the most sensationalist narrative out first. Journalism is DEAD and this case proves it beyond a doubt.

    • jstarusa

      Used to be nice when you could tune in the media anywhere and get a non biased report of what was happening. Now all they do is slant their reports to the way they feel about it and skip the points that do not agree with them.

    • SiRobertson

      Homobama needs his arse kicked so badly. Not only on account of his big, fat, bigoted mouth, but mainly because he’s America’s #1 enemy. He’s a muslim terrorist and has worked for 6 years to set the globe on fire. You people who support this POS deserve what he’s doing but the rest of us don’t.

      • lisarichards124

        You just gave a whole new meaning to gay: Homobama. I hope some gays will read and go straight

        • SiRobertson

          He IS a homo and you know that, right?

          • lisarichards124

            I really don’t care, but you have displayed more and more what a racist you are with your comments about blacks.

            You tried to be clever and funny at first, but then you spewed what you really are.

            I agree with the evidence in this case, but not that blacks in general are scourges and sub human, etc. Your comment is that of an Atheist who does not believe what God said when He said He created all in His image and likeness, that Jesus came to save ALL, Die for ALL. You’re the ignorant one, because you cannot see it’s choice we make as human beings. Brown made a bad choice and up to the end he still had a choice to stop, but did not, but that does not speak for all blacks as Nazis don’t speak for all whites

          • SiRobertson

            Sad you’re so ignorant.

  • Eagle2758

    No sir, the LEO was supposed to hand over his weapon to the choir boy to take to church on Sunday for show and tell. Really, the LEO was supposed to hand over his weapon to the thug and let the thug murder him and be a sacrificial lamb for the black community, Obama, Holder, Jackson, Not-So-Sharp-ton, the rioters and looters.

  • Imam Khalid of Basra

    That’s why I said ‘if’ and I can determine it the same way you can determine that this thug was an innocent little lamb who this mean old cop just decided to cap for no reason.

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy
    • lisarichards124

      I believe the cop, because we have surveillance of this brat strong-arming a customer in that store, and doing so violently. He robbed with force by his hands. He doesn’t have to have a gun to instill violence, his fists were enough.

      And look at his size and height. He used it to instill fear in that store as he bullied.

      And the cop has lacerations on his face and head according to the medical report. So that can with forensics lead to the snot he shot. This cop knows not to shoot unless put in a position where its the only defense. That thug beat up on the cop, grabbed the cop’s gun and wrestled with the cop over the cop’s gun. Even if the thug was 35 feet from the cop, he still forcefully, violently attacked that cop and was seizing his gun the cop had to wrestle against the thug to keep him from seizing the gun. What would that snot, that violent brute have done to the cop had he been able to fully get the gun from the cop? Say, “I’m sorry, is this yours? I didn’t men to take your gun, here, I thought I was stealing skiddles.”

      • Goober

        There’s background audio of an eyewitness unknowingly corroborating Wilson’s account as related to his friend. The witness was talking to his neighbor on the street by the scene of the shooting, and did not know that he was being recorded. What he said aligns exactly with what Wilson told his friend–that Brown doubled back and charged at him. Key audio is at 6:28, and more at 8:31:

        http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/

        • Gabrielle Alyse

          The witness you’re referring to never said that Brown charged the officer. He said he was “coming back towards the officer.” Wilson said he was charged and other eye witnesses said that Brown had turned back towards the officer with his hands up when he unloaded on him.

    • lisarichards124

      Too many don’t want to read facts. It’s being turned into race for profit, for votes, for power by the Left who need racism and escalated wars now that their beloved 60s ended and Studio 54 put a much deserved needle in itself as Americans woke up. Now we have a president fueling racism, because too many Americans were getting along. Those who were not are black-on-black that he ignores and makes people believe is caused by whites. People need to say enough!

  • JMHunt

    You have lost track.

    You wrote (in response to me) “You guys want to claim that this was an “innocent kid” in an attempt to sway opinion through EMOTION, rather than LOGIC.”

    I responded (post wound up pushed down below) “Point out where I called him innocent, or otherwise implied he was faultless, since you see things so clearly.

    And this time, instead of an ad hominem response, just reply to the above directly.”

    No, you did not respond to that.

    • clbrown

      Oh, so you assume that I’m seeking out your every post, in chronological order, because I’m “all about you.”

      (sigh)

      Nope.

      • JMHunt

        Nope, just simply pointing it out.

    • Eagle2758

      You read Rules For Radicals,eh, you know, the book written by Saul Alinsky, who dedicated the book to Lucifer, another name for Satan,eh. Hmmmmmm.

      • JMHunt

        No, Judge Smails, I haven’t read Alinsky, don’t plan to.

  • Dukhooker

    The surveillance video is pretty much a slam dunk that Officer Wilson is innocent, but it’s a long way from a guarantee that he’ll be acquitted. OJ Simpson was more guilty than Satan himself, yet walked away from a double homicide. Everything depends on the racial makeup of the jury; sad, but true.

    • John1943

      There has to be a trial before there is a jury. In this case, it seems that pushing for a trial would be unfair and simply a gesture to try to appease racists with no brain.

    • joe

      Except for the fact officer Wilson did not know he was a suspect in the robbery at the time he came in contact with Brown. So he’s justified after the fact?

  • clbrown

    Ummm… Gabby, did you miss that part about “I have been shot?”

    No, you have no idea what you’re talking about, and you know it, so you’re defending yourself by using the “best defense is a good offense” approach.

    I’m a combat vet. I have bullet holes in my body. And again, I ask, “have you ever been shot? (I have)”

    The reality is that it doesn’t just “make a hole.” The bullet causes a shock effect… think of your cells as water-balloons, and a shock wave passes through them, rupturing them.

    Muscles which are shot cease to function properly. The pain is excruciating… far beyond just “a hole” in the tissue.

    You don’t take a .38 or .40 or .45 round in the back and then calmly stop and turn around, hands raised. You’d be unable to raise your hands if you’d been shot in the back, to be blunt, as raising your hands requires the use of your back muscles to raise your arms.

    LOGIC, Gabby… and a first-hand understanding of these matters… leads to a different conclusion that your so-called “expertise” (based upon no real experience, but rather on “being a journalist and thus being able to declare yourself an expert”) brings you to.

    • Dave

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout Not everybody reacts the same way when shot. Note how many times these two guys were shot before they were finally killed. They fought even after being shot multiple times. Also take note of the injuries that they sustained before expiring.

  • clbrown

    There is literally zero question that the officer was responding to the report of robbery at the convenience store, and that he had a description of the suspects give to him by the shopkeeper. This is a matter of public record, and if you’ve failed to notice it, it’s because you’re willfully ignoring it.

    • Gabrielle Alyse

      This is just one:

  • clbrown

    It’s quite clear that “JM” here is one of the “political operatives” tasked with disputing this particular right-wing site. There are quite a few of these folks… and yes, they’re so obvious, so blatant, and yes, so LAME, that they never actually accomplish anything.

    But I guess they THINK that they do.

    Ultimately, what I guess they must be trying to accomplish is to get someone on the “other side” mad enough to say or do something foolish, which they can then quote and promulgate throughout their “circles” in an attempt to discredit their self-perceived “enemies.”

    • JMHunt

      Yes, there’s so much being accomplished here, it’s quite disappointing to be the one person that didn’t. No worries, I’ll find a way to carry on.

  • clbrown

    I’m sorry that you don’t like my comments… but when you choose to comment, yourself, in a public forum, you don’t get to pick and choose who gets to respond to you, or how.

    He was NOT a “kid.” Keep on pushing that narrative, though, in an attempt to stir up emotional responses rather than intellectual ones.

    He’s dead because he acted stupidly and got himself into a bad situation. There is literally zero question that he robbed the convenience store. There is literally zero question that the convenient store shopkeeper called in a police report, and gave identification of the two culprits. There is literally zero question that the officer was responding to this complaint, and had the description of the culprits.

    You may question whether the officer challenged the culprits because “they were guilty of being black” or because “they fit the exact description given by the shopkeeper.” I don’t question it, though, as these two were quite… visually distinctive, and were spotted walking away from the scene of the crime, with the items which were stolen visibly in their possession.

    We’ve now seen the police officer’s injuries sustained during the attempted arrest. These fit the story he told, as does the hole in the roof of the vehicle caused by the discharge of his weapon during the struggle, as Brown attempted to take it from the officer. All the physical evidence matches what was described.

    Note, also, that there is “dash camera” footage… we haven’t seen this yet. Likely, there is no footage of the critical events (it faces forward and the events took place off to the side, out of camera range), but there should be AUDIO which will prove, or disprove, which story is accurate.

    These are not “rants.” I’m arguing logically and with a sound basis in the facts. You, however, ARE posting “rants.” You see, a “rant” is based upon emotional distress. You’re the one expressing emotions here, “hunny.”

    Your feelings have nothing to do with the facts. My arguments do.

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    We can rest assured that the truth will come out, Brown was not shot in the back, and the “no snitchin’” witnesses are LYING.

    • clbrown

      I’m looking forward to the release of the coroner’s report… as, as far as I know, the local coroner is a reputable, honest individual.

      The real question is… will anyone CARE what the truth really is?

    • Gabrielle Alyse

      You don’t know this to be true. You haven’t seen the autopsy because it has yet to be released.

  • Mindy Robinson

    The cop did what he had to do, what I would do as well. Despite that, I do grieve for the young man, I am deeply saddened that his life would have been much different if he would not have lost his soul to hell. I am grieving for what his life could have been and was not.

    • Lugh

      He would have spread chaos and evil for the next 15 years or so. Black Men often slow down a bit in middle age. He was low Mindy. LOW – a vessel of wrath destined for the flames.

  • John Stratemeyer

    Looks more and more like the Officer’s version of the event is the truth, but here we go again anyway.

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    That’s fine for a private citizen to say, but as president one’s job is to be fair to both sides–the cop, his family, and colleagues, etc., who may be put in jeopardy by such powerful, official sentiments expressed from on high, and who are likely not to share them, instead of openly showing favor to the perpetrator’s camp and tainting the jury pool as Obama did.

    • bitterrootbill

      Again!

    • lisarichards124

      President’s job in any violent outbreak, riot, etc in this country is to condemn it, to say Americans stop, this violence is only killing each other, not solving anything. He is not supposed to race-card it, but we’re talking about a man who was trained well by a Holocaust supporter: Frank Marshall Davis. And not to mention his mother and grandparents with their Marxist Communist beliefs. This guy favors the violence and racism and sadly he has fueled it over the last six years when we all know he could have used his platform to further break tentions

  • JMHunt

    Yawn… yes your first reply in this section was to Ignatz, to which I made a sarcastic remark. Never been a point of contention for me. Then you began to reply to me (as the pic demonstrates), at that point I challenged you to point out any remarks I made regarding innocence. Which you didn’t/couldn’t. Like I said, if your remark “You guys want to claim that this was an “innocent kid” ” wasn’t directed at me, then you should have not included it in a reply to one of my posts.

    Not that this circle you insist on running around in isn’t somewhat amusing – just somewhat – but it has ran its course. Have good night kiddo, it’s still early on the west coast and better things to do.

  • David Gray

    Just how many illigitimate sons does Barrack Obama claim to be the father of? If only he would have taught them not to lie, cheat, steal and otherwise act like social miscreants they might still be alive or run for president one day.

    • Robert Courtney

      He didn’t father any, he is a flaming limp wrist.
      Why else do you think he is using his power to give the LGBT community immunity. When he is out of office, he will come out.

      Watch and see. I fully expect to see Barbie Soeterra within 3 years after his term is up.

  • http://jericho777.wordpress.com/ Jeffrey Hardin

    Nothing is a slam dunk when it comes to today’s Black Culture and mindset!
    Not the Black race mind you, but the Black hip hop Culture that we whites are their enemies however innocent we might be, we owe them…The DOJ has given them free range to steal & destroy private property of innocent citizens and to abuse innocent Whites both young and the elderly without reprecussions to their criminal actions…Remember the memo Holder put out to his staff, there will no longer be, prosecutions against Black on White crimes!
    Race relations will never heal, the tensions will never cease or lessen…Before Obama I had hopes that things were getting better therebetween the two ethic groups, and then the first Peckerwooded Arab to reside in the White House began to wage a race war against the whites using both the DOJ and the IRS to attack us, and atop of that, he cut loose his foot soldiers on us, young black male and female thugs and lowlife gang bangers and racist, all of which, are of the criminal mindset!
    Again, not speaking about the Blacks as a race, but only of the Black culture here, huge difference!~
    Can you honestly blame Whites if they won’t support another Black candidate for the Presidency in the future becasue of this idiot, there will always be that mistrust that they will be biased against Whites!
    Its instilled in many whites now and who is to fault them?

    • Lugh

      Like Black Culture is advanced anywhere else! Stop making the false distinction. They are an inferior race just as the Founding Fathers believed.

      • SiRobertson

        I’m sick of the constant apologies and tip-toeing around racial facts. Thousands of years of historical proof should be enough for anyone.

      • Daniel Gray

        As a Constitutional Expert and one who has been studying the Founding Fathers for over 40 years, I can safely state that your statement about the Founding Fathers is BS

  • Abigsoxfan

    Read his post. He said ALL (every single one) of the people commenting were making uneducated remarks. Sounds like a generalization to me. Like all (insert race here) people are (insert comment here). That prejudiced. Pre-judging a whole group of people.

  • De’Marquise Elkins

    I’m glad that there is 1 less member of the DNC Plantation now.

    http://i.imgur.com/6dzQUuH.jpg

  • De’Marquise Elkins

    There’s something really awry with black culture. But we’re afraid to admit it for fear of being labeled racist. Political correctness sabotages any real, honest debate that could be had. The very people who pretend to care about black people are the ones whose attitude is partially to blame for black problems, since they need to always depict blacks as victims. Blacks will never make progress when society refuses to acknowledge the cause of their problems, which is black culture.

    • John1943

      You are so right!

    • SiRobertson

      Amen!

  • De’Marquise Elkins

    Blacks are mad because a 300 pound gorilla fell face down with his pants halfway down. That rhymes, so therefore I deserve a record deal !

  • proud white

    I cant believe Obama must put his foot in his mouth for a third time. btw this page was linked on a youtube video showing brown committing the robbery so many blacks are coming on here to defend their man lol.

  • Ken

    This entire incident wouldn’t have blown up as it did without our country becoming a police state. All across the country we see police officers beating innocent people – some to death. They now have all the left over equipment from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and seem to shoot when it isn’t necessary. Just do a search on “cop kills dog” and see all the videos that come up. There are too problems here – those who feel they are entitled to luxury and dependent on the government, and an overreaching police state. Things are only going to get worse – especially as long as our race-bater-in-chief is still in office.

    • Daniel Gray

      And I call FOUL on you. I am a member of the Wolf Clan of the Cherokee Nation and I have NEVER had even one problem with a police officer. Naturally when I messed up and made a moving violation in my car I have been stopped and ticketed for doing so, but that is the policeman’s job so I cant blame them for doing that.

      SO I dont know where you get off claiming the US is a police state, maybe you should have said in your opinion it was but the facts dont back you up

      • Woody

        Well said, Daniel. I don’t know what Ken was thinking, if he in fact was thinking.

        USMC 1970-1974

        • Daniel Gray

          Nothing gets my blood boiling faster then a fool who makes up lies and expects people to accept them as fact

          • Woody

            But, if the liberals DON’T do that, what good are they? They might be funny if they weren’t so pathetic.

            USMC 1970-1974

          • Daniel Gray

            Sorta like the one thats arguing with me about how the lead investigator marching with the trouble makers is not somehow going to mess up the investigation?

          • Woody

            Exactly. Liberal logic (is that an oxymoron?) at its finest.

            USMC 1970-1974

          • SiRobertson

            Kind of like you trying to claim that blacks are not inferior in intelligence to whites (collectively speaking)? They are very inferior in that regard, as well as many others, too.

            Funny, it’s ok for everyone to accept that blacks can many times play basketball better than other races but we’re not supposed to notice all the other distinct genetic inequalities.

          • Daniel Gray

            again, that has yet to be proved.

          • SiRobertson

            Again, it’s been proven many times over and I don’t get why you’re in such denial…..really, why?

          • Daniel Gray

            because its coming from a racist organization. when I see something directly from the Department of Justice or the FBI, then we will see, but just posting stuff from a racist organization and claiming its fact is the same thing as posting Hitlers manifesto and claiming it is fact as well.

  • proud white

    The Color of Crime
    Race, Crime, and Justice in America — Second, Expanded Edition, 2005
    Major Findings:
    Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
    Crime Rates
    Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

    When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
    Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
    The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
    Interracial Crime
    Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
    Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
    Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
    Gangs
    Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
    Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
    Incarceration
    Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
    Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

    • John1943

      But, but, but, any black accused of a crime is innocent, our beloved (by some) Muslim leader in the White House says so! After all, they all look like him! And he is the most truthful President (if that is indeed his post) ever!

      (/sarcasm)

    • SiRobertson

      The stats are similar all over the world, many places like S Africa are even worse. Yeah, they’re just like us, uh huh (sarc). Someone please tell me of another race that’s so violent and out of control (and always have been). Arabs are pretty close, esp. the islamic ones.

    • Daniel Gray

      Your source please?

      • mac12sam12

        Crime and Justice in America-Second, Expanded Edition, 2005. Top of his comment.

        • Daniel Gray

          Thank you for your reply. But you really should not be listing the New Century Foundation or any of their work as a source. Jared Taylor ( the main author of this group and its CEO) is a White Separatist. Taylor advocates segregation as a natural expression of racial solidarity while denying that his views constitute white supremacism. He also view whites as genetically superior in intelligence to blacks. Not to mention that he also claims he is a firm believer in anti-Semitism.

          I’m sorry. But this source is not credible.

          • proud white

            stop painting a bad image of someone who tells the facts. the truth is taylor backs everything up with facts. everything is fact. should I say it again? you can choose to ignore facts or you can believe them. sometimes facts don’t support what someone wants to believe. you can go on youtube and type in “race differences in intelligence taylor” for facts about that. taylor believes in diversity if you want to diversify or if you choose to be separate you can as well. as you see diversity causes lots and lots of problems. Daniel gray this source is completely credible it is just that you do not want to hear things. so ignore them do not lie about how facts are wrong

          • SiRobertson

            You are right and so is Taylor. Only morons who are brainwashed and uneducated try to tout otherwise.

          • Daniel Gray

            I stated fact. And this has been proven if you would do a little research yourself. No skin off my nose if you cannot handle the truth

          • SiRobertson

            You are stating the facts of what Taylor says but you’re denying the truth of those facts. In other words, you’re only being PC, not stating any facts about blacks.

          • Daniel Gray

            No sorry, I state facts. And no I do not accept anything said by the racists at New Century Foundation as a source.

          • proud white

            yes I guess years of research isn’t credible because someone on the internet says they aren’t. hmmm lets see not knowing anything does real world experience back these facts up. who do you see committing the most crime? the Asians? or the blacks? who do you see most in prisons? real world experience backs this up and just because some ridiculous clown on the internet who my friends are all laughing at now says they are false does not mean anything. Daniel the guy could be a murderer it doesn’t change that facts are facts. now you can choose to believe them or shut up like a good old man who is oblivious to the world should do

          • Rachel Hope

            As a teacher for low-income African American kids, it’s absolutely heart breaking to you hear someone who represents my own race be so blatantly racist and hateful. Yesterday in class we had an amazing conversation about the work of MLK and it hurts a lot to know that my students will grow up in a world where people are still hated for the color of their skin. I hope and pray your heart changes.

          • SiRobertson

            What’s wrong with you that you could attribute telling the truth to “hateful”? It’s just fact that blacks usually aren’t as intelligent as other races and their behavior tends to be much more violent and criminal.

            No one hates them for their color, they hate the evil they propagate. You really need to grow up.

          • Daniel Gray

            The information I provided to you came directly FROM the site and from the owners own words. Sorry if that bothers you.

          • SiRobertson

            So, just what is it that is wrong with anything Taylor believes? Whites ARE superior in intelligence to blacks (collectively) by about 20 points. Blacks have the lowest collective I.Q. of any race on the planet. Many blacks are borderline retarded. Why do you think they can never keep up with the rest of the class and they cause the brighter kids to be held back.

            I don’t agree with anti-Semitism, but this guy sounds right on about everything else. Ever read ‘The Bell Curve”? Just because you don’t like racial truths and you prefer PC it doesn’t change facts.

            White Separatism would save many white lives (and rapes, burglaries, etc.), so what’s wrong with it? No one wants to live in black neighborhoods anyway.

          • Daniel Gray

            That has yet to be proved..sorry.

          • SiRobertson

            Hahaha, it’s been proven for thousands of years! Don’t you pay attention or do any research of your own? How about FBI or Justice Dept. figures?

            Sorry, it’s all been proven many times over.

          • Daniel Gray

            Sorry, have not proved it yet, all I see is statements from the rascist New Century Foundation. I see nothing from the FBI or Justice Department confirming this.

          • Jennifer Gray

            What you seem to be saying is that you don’t agree with the findings so therefore you reject many, many such studies and scientific proof.

          • Daniel Gray

            Ok, the post your proof. And no when I say post your proof, I mean from records from the DOJ and the FBI…not from some admitted racist.

            So post your proof or admit that you are wrong. Your choice.

          • Jennifer Gray

            You’re just wrong, sorry. There is tons of info on the subject besides all you need to do is look around you for the evidence.

          • Daniel Gray

            sorry dead on accurate. All you have is crud from a stated racist. And sorry that is not a valid source

  • Lugh

    Foiled again! Liberal America’s Great Black Hope turns out to be a two bit thug like Trayvon. It must be so embarrassing to always be so wrong…

    • SiRobertson

      Why on earth are these chimpouts tolerated for one second?

    • Jennifer Gray

      Their attention spans aren’t long enough to be embarrassed. They have no shame anyway.

  • jdbixii

    There is a history of rioting first and asking questions later. Though not equal to the value of a human life, if one can be placed on human life, the cost of rioting is horrendous. What are the present estimates of the costs of it? From the video, it appears that it was black-on-black theft. Needless to say, the reaction would not have been the same if the store owner had shot the thief before the cops had a chance to! Black store owners should begin to exercise their Second Amendment Rights….

  • futurelife

    This info and media attention plus bo’s opening his big fat lips is only due to Brown being BLACK. If a White child was murdered by the police, no one makes due of anything. We have given up our rights and our life for the evil minded bums out there just because of SKIN color. It is like this mom and dad thinks their child is “perfect” and must cause problems and get tax money by suing anymore if they are “black”. To hell what or who they really are.

  • TPM4

    if I were the chief of police I would 1. demand an apology from the traitor in chief and call him out 2. throw eric holder out and arrest him if he tries to interfere with the investigation and 3. send the rioters back to the hole they crawled out of

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      It appears that Thomas Jackson, chief of Ferguson Police, has turned over his jurisdiction to Dept of Homeland Security. He didn’t even know that the two journalists that were arrested at McDonald’s, were sitting in his jail, and all they were doing was their own job of preparing their material for their respective newspapers, and they were subjected to police brutality. DHS, I believe, has provided military surplus items to these individual law enforcement agencies, on the contingency that if something like what happened in Ferguson, would give them the authority to come in and take over management of the individual agencies by DHS. That would explain Jackson’s inability to take control of the situation, and become a figurehead, only, as a spokesperson for them.

      • SiRobertson

        The current regime occupying our WH is behind all of this. They find opportunities to exploit, knowing how blacks will act out, using the press to shovel their crap for them.

  • Sylvester Jones

    Lock up all his looting friends also.

  • De’Marquise Elkins

    1 dead and 8 wounded so far in Chicago gun crime incidents this weekend !! A vast majority of the incidents involve black “aspiring rappers”.

    • Chimpelle Obongo

      Hopefully no humans were hurt in the bongo~party.

  • higgy01

    It appears the media paid “eye witnesses” were major liars and the formerly MSM just received a well deserved black eye, so to speak!

  • robocop33

    I do not know what happened the day Brown was killed, I was not there. What I DO know is that Brown was a huge man and used his physical appearance and strenght to intimidate others and bully them even to the point of Strong Armed robbery. NO Officer I know of would ever try and grab a suspect his drivers window and pull him into his vehicle. Makes absolutely zero sense. That means that Brown must have assaulted the Officer through the drivers window pinning him inside and at a disadvantage and intent of hurting the Officer. The Officer claims he was intent of taking his firearm. The Officer shot him and that is perfectly justified, period. After that it gets a bit confusing. I do not think that the Officer, according to ‘witnesses’ just started shooting Brown while Brown was trying to surrender and then stood over him pumping bullets into his body. That just does not happen, especially to a 6 yr Officer with a clean record. What actually happened, I just do not know and that will have to be determined by the State Investigators.
    Sti8ll, this does NOT give the right for others to riot, loot, burn, etc others. Many of these rioters are not local nor could they even tell you the name of Brown or anything about him. The ONLY reason they are there is to loot and steal and have fun breaking and burning things. Thanks to Obama and Holder the nation has very high racial tensions right now that could explode unless cooler heads prevail.

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      From what I heard, reported by a “friend” of Darren Wilson who called into The Dana Loesch Show, Wilson pulled into the apartment complex parking lot ahead of Brown and Johnson (his accomplice), and at that time, the report of the strong-arm robbery and the perpetrators’ descriptions came across the police radio. He looked up and saw these two, who fit the description, and he immediately backed up, but too close. He went to open his car door, and Brown slammed it shut on him, and then reached in, punched Wilson in the face, and that’s when the scuffle over the gun went off. Both of them were going for the gun, and it got twisted around, and in the process, it went off… (don’t know who pulled the trigger, and a bullet hole through the holster would prove this to be correct… my own perception). Brown wasn’t hit at that time, and turned and ran away from the car, along with Johnson. That’s when Wilson got out of the car and pursued them, yelling “Freeze” because Brown had assaulted Wilson… at that point, he was justified. Brown and Johnson stopped, turned around, and put their hands up. However, Brown then rushed Wilson at full speed, with the intent of tackling him, it appears, and that’s when Wilson fired on him.

      This is just what I read as a transcript of the broadcast, on Gateway Pundit.

  • Daniel Gray

    The State Police Officer that was placed in charge of the investigation and was marching with the troublemakers should be REMOVED and brought up on charges of Conduct Unbecoming. How can you be impartial and march with the people causing the trouble?

    • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

      I think he did a very good job of allowing the people who were most affected by a killing of one of their own (albeit, under circumstances that were criminal on his part) to speak out, instead of acting out. He listened to their grievances, and responded to them, with respect. That’s all they wanted. What upset them the most, and what they wanted the most was answers as to what happened. Those answers were not forthcoming, since the video showing the strong-arm robbery wasn’t released until a week later, and the two witnesses that reported what went down, only one was close to the truth (Tiffany Williams)… the other was an accomplice to the strong-arm robbery, and he lied to cover his own butt.

      • Daniel Gray

        Ok, my brother is a police officer and has been one for over 25 years. If at any time he did what this state police officer did, he would be removed from the case and brought up on charges of conduct unbecoming. It makes NO difference what these animals want (and yes I said animals as only animals destroy the area where they live, just look at South central LA after the riots there, it took over 40 years for it to come back to something considered normal. And dont get me started on the looting). And sorry Tiffany Williams is a liar. Witnesses say that this creep started to bum rush the cop and that is why the cop shot him. You get a 300 pound 6 ft 4 in thug who just committed an unarmed robbery (watch the video, and surprise surprise, the same fool that was claiming his “partner” was shot for no reason was also involved in the theft and can be seen on the camera’s video) come charging at a cop and I dont care what color he is, he will be shot if the cop thinks their life is in danger.

        And you said they just wanted listened to? Ok then justify the same people who you said wanted to be listened to, SHOOTING at cops and firebombing them, or putting messages on buildings that “the only good cop is a dead cop” that was reported on by ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN (least they honestly reported this for once)

        I would place a lock down on that town and ANYONE out after 6pm unless coming from or going to work or the hospital, would be arrested on sight. NO excuses. And then I would warn them in no uncertain terms that if ANYONE rioted after the decision no matter which way it went, they would be arrested-charged-and sent to prison for a LONG time! This kind of animal mentality is NOT going to be tolerated!

        • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

          What you said about what went down, is what supposedly what happened, according to a friend of Darren Wilson’s. I don’t dispute that. However, the people came pouring out of the complex, and reacted, based on the “creep’s” friend, to Dorian Johnson’s statement of what happened, who frigging lied to cover his OWN butt. That’s what started the whole thing. It was Brown’s father who wanted to know what happened, and NO one from the Ferguson Police Department was able to give him an answer. It escalated out of control from there. Ferguson PD allowed it out of control… and guess what… I believe that it was DHS who stepped in and took control of Ferguson PD, and being who they are connected and controlled by… agitated the whole situation. This whole situation is to bring in martial law… bit-by-bit. Capt. Johnson was the right man to bring it back under control. What would you rather do? Allow it to continue to escalate, and cops really do get shot and killed by the crowd?

          Oh, and btw, I was in law enforcement, myself. I was in the era of “community policing”, which is the tactic that Capt. Johnson used. And they have proven that the ones who shot and firebombed the police? They were actually identified as people from outside of Ferguson.

          • Daniel Gray

            How are they supposed to give him a response when they had not completed the investigation yet? You want them to come along and lie to the man?

            And I dont believe a word of it that you were in law enforcement as ANY law enforcement officer knows first off and is taught this in the academy, that you have to be unbiased and impartial. Now how the he!! can you be considered unbiased and impartial when you are marching with the people causing the problems? He could have done the same thing by having an open meeting with them and talking to them instead of marching with them and giving the impression he was on their side instead of being impartial.

            He screwed up BIG time and needs to be removed from this investigation as now no matter what he says, it will be tarnished by the video of him marching with the protesters. And if they do find this cop was in the wrong, then his attorneys can claim bias by showing the video of the State Cop marching with the protesters and any judge in any court anywhere would have to throw out any possible conviction and overturn the decision.

            This state police officer just screwed the pooch on this whole investigation.

          • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

            LOL! Well, you’d better believe that I was in law enforcement… in the ’70s! City of Menlo Park, CA, no less. The first department in the nation that started “community policing” and the first department that stopped wearing military style clothing, but went to business suits, in an effort to portray the police as a part of the community, rather than as their enemy. That’s exactly what Capt. Johnson did. He went into the den of lions, and went to them, instead of the other way around. He was ONE person, against how many? And you want him to have an open meeting that contains that many? Come on, man, be reasonable! He had an open meeting… but he went to them, instead of them coming to him. It worked! There were NO arrests, and NO incidences of violence the night they instituted this. The situation calmed down! Your tactics would have continued the escalation of the situation of chaos. Sheesh!

          • Daniel Gray

            You can say whatever you want, but the facts remain the same. I dont believe you ever were in law enforcement as your actions would have got you or your partner hurt or killed.

            And IF you were in law enforcement then you forgot the most basic thing taught…IMPARTIALLY!!! As I said the state police officer could have accomplished the exact same thing with a simple meeting if all these animals wanted were to be heard. By marching with them he just screwed the pooch in the investigation. ANY real officer or any past police officer would know this.

          • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

            You CAN be impartial in such a situation. All it takes is RESPECT on both sides. You know the scripture… “love one another, as I loved you”? If one is not getting respect, and is being treated like an animal, how long does it take for BOTH to deteriorate to that point? Not long. It takes someone willing and able to just be civil, not call names, LISTEN to what the other person is saying, and work with them. That’s what Capt. Johnson was doing. Even in the press conference Friday, there was a black man who was NOT part of the media, but someone from the community. He was allowed to speak every thing that was on his mind, without interruption, with both Capt. Johnson’s AND the governor’s attention on HIM! The man ended up repeating himself, a few times, only because he had the floor, and I don’t think he realized that he was, because of the way he was being treated, respectfully. That is how I was raised, and that is how I treat people. It takes effort to maintain civility and respect under such conditions, but it can be done. I received several commendations for my work in the black community, because of my background, having grown up in East Palo Alto when it was in the midst of white flight… my family was one of the last to leave there. I worked in east Menlo Park, on patrol duties, which shares a common border with East Palo Alto, so there was a similar demographic in people. So DON’T tell me it can’t work… it can! You tell me your brother worked law enforcement for 25 years. HAVE YOU???? Until you’re actually in the trenches, then shut up.

          • Daniel Gray

            You CANNOT be impartial and march with the people causing the problems. And yes I was a reserve Police Officer 12 miles away from where my brother works, and the only reason is they dont hire family when one family member is already working there. And I took my training at the Ohio Peace Officer Training Academy. The same place that ALL police officers from state patrol right down to local police have to take and graduate. You claim to have worked in the law enforcement…ok where did you take YOUR training at?

            Nice try at smoke and mirrors but no dice.

          • SiRobertson

            Great idea. That’s like so many parents who try to be their kid’s buddy instead of their parent who is their authority and who they answer to.

          • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

            Well, well, well… how would you know? I lived it for 5-1/2 years. It worked. Unlike this situation, which was manipulated to get out of control.

          • dontdoitagain

            Wow Rhonda. My dad lives in Menlo Park. Menlo Park is a VERY nice place to live. The problems come in when you have East Palo Alto in close proximity.

          • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

            That is true. I lived in East Palo Alto from 1957 to 1966. That’s when my family, one of the last white families that lived there from post-WWII where they built the community for veterans to have housing, moved out, because the blacks moved in and took over. They threatened to kill me, the youngest in the family, to get my parents to get out. That’s when we moved to west Menlo Park. East Menlo Park has a similar make-up to East Palo Alto. However, after the blacks moved out, reducing the property values because they destroyed the properties, the Hispanics moved in, buying the properties at dirt-cheap prices, and proceeded to fix them up. Then the whites bought from them, and it started all over again.

            I was usually assigned to east Menlo Park on patrol duties… because of my experience with the blacks in East Palo Alto. That’s where I became skillful at “community” policing. I received several commendations for the work I did, including from the community. So for others here to say I’m lying and it doesn’t work, I can say it DOES work!

          • dontdoitagain

            I am not sure if community policing would work these days. I think the air of grievance and black privilege have turned the black community into something that it was not back then. The black panthers I remember weren’t filled with hate. They wanted justice, real justice, not payback for real or imagined grievances. MLK was still alive in my lifetime and he was greatly admired. Cesar Chavez was from my/our area and he was NOT in favor of illegal immigration. Two great men whose legacy has been defiled and besmirched by militant people of today. Now even the gays are militant.

            I believe you when you say community policing worked back then. I have noticed a change in police work these days as well. We NEVER had police shooting everybody and their dog back then. Or maybe we just never heard about it because we have the internet now. I sure don’t approve of SOME of the actions of my police force here. Here they seem to be more worried about seatbelts than anything else. I would never call the police for anything. They might take ME to jail. That’s the thinking anyway. We file property crimes online. Nothing is ever done.

            I don’t live in California any more and the area my dad lives in is right next to Stanford. It’s a nice place. Before his wife died he lived just off University in PA. That was also a very nice place to live.

          • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

            I agree… I lived a half-mile from Stanford’s riding stables. Used to walk there all the time, and through the golf course, crossing Sand Hill Rd, just 2 short blocks. I was supposed to go to Stanford, but never pursued it. I was also born at Stanford University Medical Center, at the Women’s Pavilion (a separate building across the street from the main facility), before they shut that part of it down, and moved everything into the main facility. My mother passed away in 2004, and that was the last time I spent more than a day or two in California (2 1-week periods). My father passed away in 2008, and I wasn’t told, until well after his funeral, due to a life-long feud between my sister and I, who was the trustee of the family estate trust. I realized in 2004, however, that it’s not Kansas to me anymore… not home. I’ve changed over the years, and have become much more of a conservative, and I am out of place there, uncomfortable.

          • dontdoitagain

            I’m sorry for your loss. I understand the family dynamic. My sister who hated my wonderful step mother swooped in the minute she died. I changed my home phone number to keep my sister from calling me. Anyway, we are way off topic now. I wish I could put my email address on here so we could talk more, but you know, the crazies would inundate me.

          • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

            I know… :( Too bad there’s not a way of communicating that information privately. Find me on FB.

          • jmortensen

            It would be a good thing if everyone took a deep breath and waited for the investigation and the trial, if one is sought .. this is something that should not be tried on television or in the public sector

          • SiRobertson

            Here’s what you do…..you warn the criminals who consider looting and being violent that they will be shot if they attempt any of it. There!

          • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

            Yea, and that was what the militarized police did, didn’t it? What good did it do? Besides, the truth is coming out, hour-by-hour… turns out that the DOJ and DHS wanted this to all happen, and they orchestrated it, from the get-go. They want the chaos, and it’s a follow-up to the martial law exercise that was done, two years ago. It’s another “false flag” exercise where they used Michael Brown and Darren Wilson as the scapegoats. Look at Boston Marathon bombing… yea, it really happened, but afterwards, how much of it was faked, as far as the victims, etc. It was all planned. Sandy Hook Elementary… truth has come out now, someone within the WH administration has finally admitted, NONE of the children were killed, and that it had ALL been a drill. Kinda explains why no one was allowed to be inside the school, after it happened, and why they sealed the autopsy results. Because the only ones that died that day was the shooter and his mother.

          • SiRobertson

            No, that’s NOT what they did. If you do your research you’ll find out that they ordered the police to stand down during the looting, but attacked the reporters and the peaceful protesters trying to guard the businesses. The militarized goons are sent from Holder.

        • SiRobertson

          Amen! Well said.

          • Daniel Gray

            Guess they were listening as a it starts today at 5pm and goes until tomorrow morning, and then if they need it, another one will start at 5pm sunday and go till monday morning.

      • SiRobertson

        Bull….all kinds of outliers came in for the sole purpose of meyhem, destruction and theft. They didn’t give a rat’s arse about Brown.

        • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

          Nope, they didn’t give a damn about him… it’s the people of Ferguson, itself, that gave a damn about what happened to him. That’s where it all started. When they didn’t get the answers to the truth of what happened.

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        I’m pretty sure the witness you’re referring to is named Tiffany Mitchell, not Williams. Another that gave a corroborating statement is named Piaget Crenshaw.

        • Rhonda Renee Albrecht

          It probably was… with all the different sources that I have been following, it probably got mixed up with them. Thank you for the clarification.

  • De’Marquise Elkins

    Thugbook content of Mike’s friends got leaked on Charleston Thug Life Blog. One of them calls himself “TY DA SHOOTER”. BUT DEY DIN DO NUFFINS !!

    http://i2.wp.com/charlestonthuglife.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ScreenHunter_7441-Aug.-14-16.56.jpg

    • lisarichards124

      This is okay? We ban guns from good citizens, but we let bad kids do this. How old are his friends? If I took a pic like this with a gun, my left-wing, Dem governor who ignores black on black gang violence in CT would have it confiscated as deadly and my actions deadly

      • Lugh

        If Blacks have guns, they will misuse them. Our Laws were meant for Christian Whites and no other.

        • lisarichards124

          I notice you don’t have a photo or use a real name which says you are either a racist or you purposely come on here to argue.

          Okay, here’s the real argument: You know full well, as every American who can read knows, that the white NRA armed black Southerners in the early 1960s–Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama Blacks who were being lynched and shot by the KKK. They were being terrorized by white trash, gutless losers hiding under white sheets, burning crosses on their yards, burning their homes. The NRA went South with guns to weaponize all these innocent Americans who had a right to defend themselves from white trash freaks who had no rights to terrorize their fellow Americans.

          The NRA armed blacks, told them to shoot to kill those KKK bastards, because it was the only way to stop the violence against those innocent black families trying to live in peace. Those black families were not thug criminals like the thugs running loose in Ferguson and Chicago and Detroit. And by-the-way: It was a black 78 year-old Korean War hero who is the reason black women in Chicago can arm themselves and defend themselves against black thugs who were raping them: That black war hero was forbidden to own a gun and defend his home from black thugs breaking in and attacking him. The city said no on the grounds that he was black and blacks were committing the violence. That elderly man, who dressed in tweed suits and looked like Wall Street certainly did not fit the description of ghetto, and he said so about his attire in court. He won, thank God!

          Chicago women in the hood thank him, I thank him because that elderly gentleman who went to the SCOTUS around 2009, helped secure the Second Amendment that is still being torn.

          You know this, but, as I said, by your lack of photo and name, you either come on here to spread hate, or you are trying to get people to argue for truth by saying something hateful.

          Or, you’re white trash, which I can say as a white woman who considers racist whites nothing but trash losers.

          Every American has a right to be armed. Now the criminals should not. They should be in jail, or executed if they are rapists, murderers, pedophiles. Kill them. As to those who are not violent, Americans must be armed. If you don’t want to be armed, it’s your right of choice, but if you want to be armed, it’s your Constitutional right. All Americans! You know this.

          End of conversation. Either stop hiding who you are with fake names and no photo or have some guts to put a real face and real name to your comments. If you don’t, you’re a gutless coward.

  • lisarichards124

    Donald: Your column has a lot of comments. You deserve it. Great job! Now if people will realize that parents are not doing their job, but Democrat leaders are doing a bang-up great job at race-hustling and fueling riots for votes. They would never be able to do this if parents raise kids not to be thugs, discipline their kids who should never have any entitlement mentality or Affluenza loser mentality.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Thank you, Lisa.

      • lisarichards124

        We need to thank you for getting the facts out that the news media hides to protect criminals they need to help their candidates and help Al Sharpton get some needed ratings, or they ignore because they are afraid of backlash, which proves we lost journalism . Can any of us really see William F. Buckley hiding from telling it like it is to either party and the media?

        Thank you Donald for having the guts to write this and even comment back to those who are angry you exposed the truth. I notice they still can’t answer your questions or do not read your links, or, they are so mad you proved something was not what they want so much to be a race shooting.

  • jmortensen

    I can’t imagine any one holding that guy in there arms .. but it appears Obama would like to hug him

  • proud white

    here is jared taylor talking about IQ everyone should watch this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJNVb0GnPI

    • SiRobertson

      It’s all true. I’m sure you’ve also read, “The Bell Curve”. I’ve had many of these discussions with people and many still scoff about it, especially “Gabrielle Allyse”, the black female who trolls here on all things race related and who continually calls me a racist (oh well, I’m a race realist). She knows genetics rule our looks, but refuses to acknowledge that genetics rule our intellect and our behavior to a huge degree.

      • proud white

        yes absolutely SI. The problem is that we have TOO many facts and an abundance of common sense to become a victim of the bleeding heart stories these leftist’s want us to believe. Justice for everyone, treat everyone equally would be perfect except treating everyone equally leaves too many blacks behind. The real victims are the people who believe their stories and bend over backwards to help narrow a gap that they “leftist whites” believe is their fault when really it is the fault of those failing

        • SiRobertson

          You’re reading my mind. I’m amazed at how many ignorant Conservatives there are, too. So afraid of being called a racist. I will keep ringing the bell and I’m sure you will, too.

          I have 4 children and I disciplined them all differently because they responded differently even though they have the same parents. I also know quite a bit about animal husbandry. Genetics are what it’s all about. I understand the reason for arranged marriages now (lol!).

          • Eliott

            The conservatives that voted for him added on to the 3 million registered Republican voters that decided to stay home gave this bozo the second election. I agree with you about being amazed how many conservatives voted for him. I am Catholic and supposedly we are supposed to be staunch supporters of the pro-life movement which I am but 58% of Catholics voted for him in ’08′ and 54% voted for him in ’12′.

          • lisarichards124

            I know staunch conservative Catholics who voted Obama because, and here is the exact comment to me when I asked why: “He speaks so charismatic.” My answer to my friends was this, “So did Hitler, but I would never have voted for Hitler. Charismatic doesn’t make someone a good leader, only a really good con artist who can use words to hypnotize.”

          • Eliott

            I think another reason why people voted for him is because they wanted to be part of history which in my opinion is just as stupid as voting for him because “He speaks so charismatic.” They wanted to say they voted for the first “Black President” and call me stupid but I think that is why either Clinton or Warren has a good chance of keeping the White House Democrat in ’16′. People want to say they voted for the first “Female President”. I hope to God I am wrong but with that being said, the Republicans have to nominate someone that is not moderate. We need a TRUE conservative in the White House.

          • lisarichards124

            Sorry to say it will happen only because too many left wing women want a woman president, but they would never vote for Sarah Palin if given the choice of her over a man. They just want the radical leftist who will support their whims.

            Warren is a disaster and the phony people’s candidate, GMAB! She’s a full blown Marxist who makes Hillary look almost tame, but Hillary is more calculating than Obama who is cunning, slick, smarter than people give that liar credit for. He’s not dumb, he has changed this country exactly the way he wanted. He hurled a wrecking ball immediately that has gotten worse and will get worse. He needs Warren because she hates America, she hates does hate the fact she’s white, so she phonied up so-called tribalism in the DNA. Even if she had 1 drop, it doesn’t mean anything but a drop. She’s still white, but that’s what Lizzie Warren hates: Being white.

            Hillary could care less, she wants people to think she’s Jewish for the New York vote, and yes, they still argue up here that she IS. Uh, having a step-relative does not make you Jewish in blood. But she dressed up in Sabboth clothing up here during the Senate race and went to NY and NYC and played the role of the Jewish girl and people still believe it. When you say it was a relative by marriage and to blood, they answer, oh and that makes her NOT Jewish?

            A former professor of mine so believe Elizabeth Warren is 100% right in everything she says. He’s not saying it just to say it, he really believes Warren is right that no one built anything on their own, your business belongs to everyone since state roads exist, so taxpayers own your biz, they helped you build that. And if I have the chance to run into him, he says Benghazi is a phony scandal, it was war, not the administration’s fault. Here come the votes

          • Eliott

            I have stated on many posts that if people think Clinton is bad, Warren makes her look like Reagan. If she ever becomes President, it will be a Obama II. Even if we get a Republican in office in ’16′ it will take years to get us back to where we were. Yeah, Benghazi was a phony scandal, the IRS was a phony scandal. These are ALL phony scandals made up for the purpose of dethroning “King Obama”.

        • Eliott

          Obama was elected TWICE because of “WHITE GUILT”. I agree with you 100%. Whoever voted for him the first time, I have not problem with even though I never gave it a second thought but the people who voted for him a second time even after all the damage he had done, in my opinion are either ideologues or are stupid.

          • SiRobertson

            Massive voter fraud is why he is illegally posing in our WH now.

          • Eliott

            How could I forget that? These libs will tell you voter fraud is minute but I truly believe as well as Obama, Reid and Franken victories were definitely the result of voter fraud and if I think about it I could probably think of many more.

          • SiRobertson

            Yes….that’s the truth! If the libs can be outed we’re assured victory!

      • Eliott

        She chastised me for not wanting to hear Hamas’s side of the story. She is a real kook.

        • SiRobertson

          Liberals are just morons with no critical thing skills whatsoever. II wish they could be shipped to their own island where they could self-destruct.

        • SiRobertson

          Do us all a favor and flag all her comments like she does us. She flags everything I say so I can’t comment for a day or so. She needs to know how it feels to have her free speech impaired.

          • Eliott

            Si, what does it do when you flag someone? I have only flagged on person named Ron who I think is insane. Anyway, I flagged him but I don’t know what that does.

          • SiRobertson

            If you do it several times it keeps the poster from being able to post for a couple of days. She does this to all of my posts. I’m so sick of that little racist bigot. She needs a dose of her own medicine every day. She’s trying to keep the truth from being posted, as she is an obama supporter. Gabzilla tries to stiffle free speech, as all libtards do.

          • Eliott

            Thank you. I will keep that in mind.

          • SiRobertson

            Thank you….giving back is all they understand. She hates Free Speech because it exposes the truth.

          • lisarichards124

            Your comment she re-posted is so vile, it is insulting to whites like myself who hate crime, violence, but know that all black Americans are not dong this rioting. You know it too, but you are just as bad as those black kids rioting. You call blacks a scourge, well darling, you are what is referred to as white trash. And for a reason: You are no different than thugs you hate. Thugs come in all colors and races and thugs are thugs.

            Have you considered joining Islam where you can commit terror under their law Sharia? Islam has an entire guidebook on committing violence called the Koran. You should join so you can under their law rape, torture, cut off women’s genitals, murder gay men after you torture them, bomb churches ad synagogues, bomb cafes full of human beings who are not Muslim. I think it;s right up your alley.

            And your racist comments are not conservative, they are left wing ala KKK. Get the hell out of the right, we despise people like you. The right is the Party of Lincoln and Douglas, you know and black and white man who ended slavery.

          • SiRobertson

            You honestly believe you’re are superior in any way after your diatribe? You are condemning all who belong to islam as the same and are trying to accuse me of wanting to do violence.

            I don’t dislike all blacks, but many of them are terrible and do terrible things. I’ve never done harm to anyone of any color.

            So, hypocrite, you can despise me for my attitude toward some, but I can’t despise the ACTIONS of so many who are criminals AND who are doing harm to others.

            Btw, most thugs come in black, just fyi. Oh, and your enormous double standard of “tolerance” is showing.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            The guy’s a total liar. I’ve flagged a few of his posts before because they violate the posting policy. He flags my posts on his main account (and his other accounts) because he disagrees with my opinions. He’s the one that can’t handle a difference of opinion.

          • SiRobertson

            Nope….I actually think it’s funny when you get your butt regularly handed to you on here. It’s entertaining so why would I stifle your foolishness?

            You’re one of the few obama lovers on here, and you also are pro-sodomite, pro-abortion, pro-muslim terrorists, etc……everything most adults with any sense or education are against.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You’re responsible for flagging several of my posts several times and having them removed until they can be reviewed by the moderator.

          • SiRobertson

            Really, how did I do that?

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            By logging in on your other profiles as well as this one (and as a guest) and flagging my comments to the point that they are removed and reviewed by the moderators. You told me a while back that you were the one flagging my comments.

          • SiRobertson

            Thanks for that info. Now I know how you’ve been doing it.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            No, that’s how you’ve been doing it. I already know you have more than one profile that you’ve used to comment from. None of the comments I’ve ever flagged have been removed or reviewed by moderators, so clearly my one flag doesn’t do it.

          • SiRobertson

            Yeah, right. Again, you know about how all this works, not me. I have this account, period. That means you must have several to be projecting as you always do.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You knew how to do it because that’s what you’ve been doing this whole time. Claiming ignorance isn’t gonna cut it. If I’ve supposedly been flagging your comments from more than one profile, how come your posts have never been reviewed by moderators? I’ll tell you why, it’s because I haven’t done that. When your posts contain violations to the posting policy, I flag you and move on.

          • SiRobertson

            Sorry, hot shot, but I’ve read where different ones are telling you that they’re flagging your comment. Put that in your pipe because I’m far from the only one who disagrees with every word you say.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            That doesn’t explain why (if I’m supposedly the one that uses several profiles to flag your comments) none of your posts have been removed and/or reviewed by the moderator. The last time I remember anyone else saying that they’re flagging me was because I responded to blatantly racist posts by saying that I’d flagged them. My posts were the only ones removed from that thread, not the ones that I’d flagged for containing racial slurs. Even then, there were only 2 maybe 3 people that said they were flagging me.
            I know you’re not the only person here that’s ever disagreed with me… you’re just the only one that’s taken steps to try and have all of my posts removed.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            See, you’ve already done it with my comment containing the screenshot of your nasty post directed at me. You accused me of trying to stifle your free speech and here you are successfully stifling mine. SMH.

          • SiRobertson

            I told you I’d stop if you did. I haven’t flagged anything. What in the world makes you think there aren’t others doing what they told you would do, which is flag your comments? You really give me way too much credit.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            So you’re claiming that you tried to recruit people to flag all of my posts but you haven’t flagged any of my posts? Doesn’t make sense, and sounds like you’re lying.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You’re literally lying straight through your teeth. The only free speech that has been stifled here is mine. So many of my posts that don’t even violate the posting policy, but just express my (often differing) opinion, have been removed and “awaiting moderation” for months. You flag my posts because you disagree with me and don’t want my opinions out there. I’ve only flagged comments of yours that violate the posting policy like the one below. None of your posts that I’ve flagged have been removed and/or reviewed by the moderators as far as I know.

          • SiRobertson

            You are the liar and most on this site know it. I don’t have anything hide or defend. some of your posts are very offensive and the ones I flag, nothing else. You can’t stand it when people tell the facts about your race.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            It is a lie that I flag all of your posts. It is a lie that I’m trying to keep the truth from being posted. It is a lie that I’m trying to stifle free speech. You’re literally trying to stifle my free speech as we speak by attempting to recruit others to flag all of my posts.
            Clearly you’re the one lying here.

          • SiRobertson

            Hahahaha….I don’t care how often or what you post since it’s usually nonsense anyway. I’m just giving you a taste of your own medicine and I didn’t do it until a few weeks ago after being fed up with you doing it.

            I know you’re lying about why you flag my posts because 95% of every comment on here would cause you to flag them all, too. Try again, child.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You care enough to try do whatever it takes to make sure my voice isn’t heard.
            Wrong again. I only flag comments of yours that contain violations of the posting policy like that very nasty one I shared a screenshot of above.

          • Dave

            I think that “Si” wants a date with you, and is pi$$ed because you have better taste in men and higher standards.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I am utterly repulsed by that thought, lol.

          • Dave

            As you should be. If “Si” actually has a wife, (as he has claimed in the past) it is a bit puzzling to me as to why he would spend so much of his time battling it out from behind a keyboard, with a young lady that he apparently hates.

          • SiRobertson

            I’m retired, not that’s it’s your business. How is it that a 21 year old has so much time on her hands, genius?

          • Dave

            I really don’t care. I just won a bet that you would take the bait and not realize that I trolled you on that one. You do seem to be obsessed with your hatred of Gabrielle. As to your question, I don’t know her personally, but if she is like most young people that I know, she is probably posting while she is doing other things though out her day. If you are indeed retired, you should know by now that the last couple of generations of our youth in this country have been indoctrinated to accept socialism. Do you really think that you are going change their minds or win them over by calling them names, and attacking their ethnicity as you have Gabrielle?

          • SiRobertson

            Do you really think I care what either of you think? Only hard knocks might be able to penetrate her thick head when she becomes an adult, but even then it’s hightly doubtful. I will continue to post the facts regardless.

          • SiRobertson

            Sorry, drone, but I never have been attracted to black women or bubble-gummers. In YOUR dreams.

          • SiRobertson

            Yeah, you’re really quite the poster boy for Christianity with your idiotic remarks.

          • Dave

            LMAO, You think that I’m a Christian?

          • SiRobertson

            Nope, like I said most on this site know how uneducated and liberal you are so why would I do that? Again, I think it’s funny how, try as you may, you still can’t make any converts into the crazy otherworld of progressivism.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You can only speak for yourself, not “most on this site,” as you have no idea what most on this site think.

          • lisarichards124

            I’m sorry, but am I reading something trying to get an argument, or a total white trash, hateful loser who has photos of Hitler pasted to the wall?

            Since God created all in His image and His likeness, blacks, whites, Asians–the three races–are His image and likeness, and all from those three races– bi-racial peoples–are God’s image, His creation.

            Blacks are not a scourge. And Noah’s three sons were the three races that all of us come out of. So, was Noah a scourge, an inferior man who bred inferior children who bred us all?

            This comment is so disgusting. It’s from a low-class white trash loser who might not want to look too close into the family tree, because even if it says pure white, that white might be mixed with Jewish blood, which is white, but you would no doubt hate that, because if you hate blacks.

            Do you really think Allen West, Herman Cain, Star Parker, Allan Keyes, Thomas sowell, Walter E. Williams, Angela McGlowen, Vernon B. Parker, Mia Love, Condoleezza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, are thugs, ghetto criminals? These Americans came from circumstances that could have done that, but men like Dr. Ben Carson and Walter E. Williams who had single mothers on welfare raised them strict, made them go to school, get good grades. Colin Powell was a poor kid in the Bronx who could have gotten into trouble, but it was white Jews who saw him hanging out and offered him a job, and those white Jews saw he was a good kid inside and mentored him and they got him into City College. Powell said they would not let him go bad, and he listened.

            So there is a story of white and black making history. Clarence Thomas grew up in a Klan controlled town. He could have become angry, bitter and decided to go the way of crime to get even. He didn’t have a father’s love, but a grandfather who was determined he would not go bad or stay poor. Clarence Thomas is one of the most amazing men when you read his autobiographies.

            Oh and note to you my dear little racist: Look out if you are at a Wal-Mart near-you during the summer anywhere in this country, because if you happen to see an RV parked at a Wal-Mart for a long time, don’t be surprised if the driver is a tall black man with a blonde white wife. And don’t be surprised if you see them sitting on folding chairs at Wal-Mart after shopping for charcoal and ground meat and grilling in the parking lot. Yes, it’s Justice Thomas!

            His favorite thing to do in the summer is RV across America with his wife and they love Wal-Mart, their favorite place to shop for everything. Thomas is known for this!

            Thomas loves to grill at Wal-Mart parking lots where he says he gets to meet Americans and talk about hunting and fishing and cars and he gets to meet the people he is sequestered from when he’s at work. He may be silent on the bench, but those who meet him say he is an average Joe who likes to grill and talk for hours about everything.

            I guess we can count on you shopping at Target now! You wouldn’t want to scourge yourself now would you my darling racist?

            As for me, I keep looking for an RV at the CT Wal-Marts. If I see one, I’m pulling in and if it’s the Justice, you better believe I’m pulling up a chair and chowing down with that man and his wife! And they’ll be receiving an open for their lives invitation to my home!

            And do yourself a favor: Get a Bible, read the Gospels, because you really need Jesus

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            The person that authored that nasty comment is SiRobertson, the user directly below this comment. He claims to be Christian, conservative and a “race realist.”

          • lisarichards124

            I read the comment, and that is no Christian, but someone who needs to open the Gospel and see Christ died for ALL, lived for ALL, resurrected for ALL, unless we choose to reject him completely.

            Brown made a horrid choice and I believe God wept when he made that choice. Brown was given another chance to not attack the cop, he chose to. Does it mean God hates Brown? No. We all have to stand before God one day. Even Brown and I cannot say he never believed, because only God knows. If he did, He’s with God, sadly not with his parents. But if more people would open the Bible and get that into them, they would change their choices no matter their life’s circumstances–rich or poor, ghetto or not. And the same goes for that low-class jerk who wrote that blacks are a scourge.

            Hitler was white, so were his Nazis. Then we have Islam murdering, torturing, raping women, cutting off women’s genitals for Sharia, honor slaughtering those who leave or speak out or wont marry a Muslim, slaughtering gays, massacring Jews and Christians. There’s the white trash KKK–yes, I’ll call them that because you have to be trash to do that. However, you can change if you truly want to. Toss off garbage and the lies and the hate and choose God and life.

            Choices. We all have to make them. Hate or see your black neighbor as who he or she is: God’s image just as you are, and you’ll be surprised how well you get along and have in common. But, we as people have to make that choice, because there are black and white racists and race-hustlers baiting us into hating each other while the race-carders–Al, Jesse, Panthers– get rich

          • Dave

            Evil is an equal opportunity employer.

          • SiRobertson

            Thankfully, you’re not God and you have no right to determine my destiny or my current status with the Lord. You appear to be as the Sadusees and Pharisees. You will get no points for denying the truth and the obvious.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Do you think he’s pleased with the nasty things you’ve said?

          • SiRobertson

            Do you think he’s pleased that you won’t tell the truth about blacks and that you support the murder of unborn children?

          • SiRobertson

            You claim to be a Christian, yet you are pro-abortion and you support the muslim terrorist obama, you are pro-homosexual, pro gay marriage. How could a Christian support the murder of pre-born children, the most innocent of us all?

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I am a Christian that does not believe that life begins at conception. I am pro-love. I see nothing wrong with love/attraction between to legally consenting individuals because I feel that’s what this world needs… more love and less hate.

          • SiRobertson

            Wow, what an example of a Christian you are! You’re not only totally ignorant, but hateful and deceitful as well.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Pot calling the kettle…

          • SiRobertson

            Debate the facts I give then. You can’t, and you never will. Stating racial truths in no way invalidates my Christianity. However, what does lying say about the two of you who deny these realities?

          • Dave

            What does invalidate your Christianity is you. Your replies to Gabrielle violate a main tenet of Christianity stated throughout your Bible. Here are four of the references to that tenet, Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31 and Galatians 5:14. There are other references that state the same and still others that allude to it. While I agree with you on other subjects, more so than I agree with Gabrielle, your replies to her are at best reprehensible. While you may not care about what Gabrielle or I think, you should care about what your God thinks about your replies to her, as you are to be a reflection of Him. Are you one of those Christians that gives money to spread your Gospel to the Blacks in Africa yet hate the ones in your own country?

          • SiRobertson

            Yeah, the Pharisees hated truth, too, so much so that they wanted Jesus murdered. They thought he was mean and constantly breaking their laws, especially when He did things like going into their temple with the whip and destroying the place. You think so many hated the Lord because He was so sweet? He IS Truth, remember that.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You’re literally lying straight through your teeth. The only free speech that has been stifled here is mine. So many of my posts that don’t even violate the posting policy, but just express my (often differing) opinion, have been removed and “awaiting moderation” for months. You flag my posts because you disagree with me and don’t want my opinions out there. I’ve only flagged comments of yours that violate the posting policy like the one below. None of your posts that I’ve flagged have been removed and/or reviewed by the moderators as far as I know.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I don’t flag everything you say. I flag comments that contain violations of the posting policy. Having flagged comments does not stop you from being able to post. Plenty of mine have been flagged to the point of being reviewed by moderators and I’ve been able to post without an issue whenever I want. I know how it feels to have my speech stifled because a good number of my comments not containing any posting violations have been removed and “awaiting moderation” for months on end.

          • IvyDevilDog

            Same here – what is that so-called wait about anyway?? Is this the WashPostTimes site??

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Well I guess it has to be reviewed by the site’s moderator, but I doubt it takes that long to review flagged posts. The first comment of mine that was removed and awaiting moderation was posted over 3 months ago and it’s still being moderated, lol.

        • Gabrielle Alyse

          I didn’t “chastise you” for anything. I told you that there are two sides to every story because it seemed your knowledge of the conflict was very one-sided.

      • lisarichards124

        You darling are inferior. The Bell Curve versus God. Which one wins? God, who created us all in His image and likeness. And any person, no matter color or race, can be well-educated if they choose. In all races there are losers who choose crime or terror

        • SiRobertson

          Why don’t you give us some facts instead of all your erroneous feelings on the matter?

          No where in the Bible does it state that God created us all equal or the same, and we’re not.

          Did God create those people He later ordered to be destroyed, even their babies and animals in the OT? Did He create Cain whom was a murderer and God cast AWAY from the rest so his genetics wouldn’t cross with Adam’s again?

          Every race has it’s collective weaknesses and strengths. YOU don’t get to decide, it’s genetic.

          I’m sure you can agree that black men can usually play some sports better than other races. Is that fair, or racist of God to have made their bodies with different abilities than others? Blacks usually can’t swim though….why is that? Why do they tend to be more violent than other races (arabs excluded).

          I didn’t create blacks to collectively be less intelligent than all other races, not did I create some Asians to be brighter than many whites.

          You “darling” are not sounding too bright.

          • lisarichards124

            Why don’t you my darling Atheist read the Bible: God created everyone. He said He created us all in His Image. But you just proved you hate humanity because your words are that of an Atheist. You view humans as inferior if they don’t resemble you.

            You’re not worth answering, because you get your answers, but you have no respect for anyone you talk with, so why should anyone respect you or even answer you anymore?

            Your logic says you are a Darwinist. The fact you misinterpret the Bible says you have never read it.

            When you read the Bible with wisdom, knowledge and understanding, then we’ll have this discussion, until then, you have 0 respect for any opinion, thought, fact, evidence, human being, human life, you have 0 respect for God, which is why you hate human beings, so there is no reason to discuss with you any longer.

            Conversation ended.

          • SiRobertson

            Eww, what big fangs you have Ms Christian. What a small mind you have, oh hypocrite, with that PC double standard you pretend to hate. No one can force you to acknowedge facts, that’s up to you to remain ignorant and politically correct.

            That’s not me though.

            Now, conversation ended.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Who are the descendants of Cain?

          • lisarichards124

            Progressives.

            Yes, Cain’s descendents had to be destroyed. Certainly Christ could not come from that line. But God did give him a chance since he gave him a free thinking mind, but he and his people chose murder. Then Noah’s sons and one who went for the drunk scum fun with dad.

            But we can make a choice every day. I don’t want to hear from news that this Brown guy was mentally unstable and didn’t know he did wrong. I’m waiting for that: Mentally the mind of a five year old should come soon from Al

        • Jennifer Gray

          Why are you so afraid to listen to the above links of these brilliant men speaking proven facts? Have you even read The Bell Curve? The truth can set you free if you’re smart enough to accept it.

          • lisarichards124

            I’m not afraid to listen to evidence Jennifer. This was an argument that got out of hand. Gee, it can happen hen we are all heated up and sick and tired of hearing the race card game played at whites.

            Bell Curve? Yes, read. I gave a snark comment back to someone that I’ll choose God. Well I do, but no, I don’t believe the races are equal even though we are created in His image. Again, my snark reply went off badly. I admitted that yesterday.

            As to Science: I agree with a lot of science and the above. But a heated argument ensued that should never have gotten out of hand, but it did. And no, I’m not a left winger. I’ll leave that to the progressives who blame whites for everything and never tell blacks the truth about their own history.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Jared Taylor rules!

  • proud white

    here is searching for an African IQ above 70. all of the best sprinters in the world have been black it is proven it is genetic so believe facts or don’t.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxAhwYoZQKU

    • SiRobertson

      Keep telling the truth!

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Excellent, Dr. Rushton is a good and honest man.

  • Franky Beanz

    But you have to problems with proudwhite making racist comments. Really, really, sad.

  • MJH

    This is what the “witnesses” never told authorities. Listen closely at 0:18 when you’ll hear 2 men in the background taking about what they witnessed and possibly unaware that they were on video having this conversation.

    The True story on what happened when Mike Brown g…: http://youtu.be/x8SWzbIqESI

    • Vern

      Here they are showing you their IQ results

    • SiRobertson

      I can’t hear it well enough…..can you give a synopsis of what they were saying in the background?

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy
        • lisarichards124

          Don’t waste your time. This moron believes the rioting is due to what he or she believes blacks to be: Sub human, inferior, and what he or she calls apes and scourges. So then, what should we call white Hitler and his white Nazis? I think we have thugs in every race, but its our choices: Good or evil.

          This moron doens’t want to read your link, because your proving something they don’t want true, unless they say it

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            That’s quite the politically correct position. I’m not into political correctness.

          • lisarichards124

            I’m not politically correct in any way. i do think that Moron is, since he believes it can only be the way that ironically turns toward government group think.

            There are choices. The Left always chooses the one that says certain human beings must be held down, they cannot do for themselves, and if the strong-arm a store and the people in it, well, it’s because society made them that way. No, they made that choice because its what they wanted to do.

            And the can’t hear it well enough. GMAB! Your column is straightforward without any opinions, you state facts from evidence. It’s there if we choose to see the facts. Or we can twist them to suit us.

          • SiRobertson

            You are totally PC. You refuse to even listen to facts. Shame on you claiming to be a Christian or a Conservative.

          • lisarichards124

            No, I disagree with you on the Bible: I believe god did create all in His image and likeness–no, that does not make us all equal in races.

            I also believe God create Cain, but Cain chose the devil, he chose to give in to jealousy and not ask God to remove that from him, to forgive him for bringing an unfavorable offering. Cain was created by God, but not the evil in him. That came from giving into Satan as his parents did when they fell. Cain had a choice as did Brown, who could have surrendered.

            And I don’t believe for one minute that big, fat 18 year-old tried to surrender. He charged the cop.

            Brown had a choice as Cain had choices. Two thugs chose to be thugs, not good.

            No, I’m not PC. I smacked back at you for saying blacks are the scourge of the earth. Ok, you said you don’t believe all blacks are bad. So then we agree. No, that’s not being a Pharisee. I’m not two faced. I still hold to my belief this guy asked for it. He strong-armed then beat up a cop, wrestled with the gun, charged the cop. Yeah, I would shoot the guy, would you

          • lisarichards124

            BTW: I will apologize to you for claiming you didnt listen to the link and calling you a moron. No, that’s not being two-faced, but saying I didn’t give you the benefit of the doubt. So we can at least agree to disagree on Cain. I have a belief on that and you do as well. I believe all are created in His Image and likeness, but I never said all races are equal. We are only equal in liberty.

            But will it make any difference to anyone out there? The cop is white. If he were black, we would not be talking about this–or hear about it.

          • Jennifer Gray

            You sound like the typical hateful liberal who refuses to debate the facts, but quickly resorts to name calling and vicious insults. You liberals are so afraid of the truth because it destroys your narratives and your pompous, positions. I am a teacher and I can tell you that races are not equal and we have to work with totally unlevel playing fields. If I didn’t already know the scientific evidence that’s so plentiful my many years of experience would’ve convinced me of it.

          • lisarichards124

            Sorry Jennifer, but I’m no liberal. My answer to Donald is in reply to his second comment that’s not up there anymore. I never said the races were equal. The conversation got misunderstood. I said to someone else that God created all humans in His image and likeness, but I never said the races are equal. If we are equal then we are all black or all white. And yes science proves were are not equal. One conversation with someone else where I disagreed that all blacks are NOT the scourge on the earth did get into name calling with me and that person. Bad move, yeah. But I still will believe God created all of us in His Image and Likeness, but no, I never said equal. We’re not.

            But good grief, I never said the races are equal, we can’t be or we don’t have more than one race in human beings.

            And no, I’m not a leftist, which is the better way to describe the left, or progressives, who are the real scourge on the planet since they do want all to be equal except whites, whom they want guilt-fed into thinking black criminals are our problem.

          • lisarichards124

            I chose to stop arguing with the moron only because he or she refuses to respect any opinion but his or her own. It went from agreeing with your column on the evidence shown to suddenly blacks are apes and inferior and scourges and science proves blacks inferior to whites. And nothing argued back is respected or even heard.

            When you find yourself arguing with a brick, well…I can’t be bothered, after the gazillionth answer to the same question posed at me only to argue, not debate

            But you have done a great job with your arguments and you keep giving links. And I know you’ll have more on this as more comes out.

          • Jennifer Gray

            Can you explain why whites and Asians rarely act the way these blacks do regularly? We don’t loot and destroy whole communities just because of some perceived injustice. I teach and I can tell you after 30 years that there are huge differences in the races. Even our black teachers much prefer the white students to the black ones, with very few exceptions.

          • lisarichards124

            Entitlement mentality for one. Do you notice that in your schools? I do all over. If the kid is white or Asian, they arent raised to think they are owed.

            I see the we whites owe the blacks all too often for slavery. I said this yesterday when I said I wont apologize to blacks or the left for being white and coming from whites. Jews were enslaved, they were gassed, I don’t see them looting for what happened 70 years-ago.

            Back-To-Africa Black Power movement and the Panthers. If you’ve been a teacher for 30 years, certainly you have seen that load of it.

            Yes, teachers do say what you said.

            I also think parents who care to discipline their kids rather than entitle them with slavery and segregation would help. But entitlement mentality has gotten far worse since Clinton and Hillary in 92 who really played it up as blacks and lets give out more loans to minorities because it’s not right that banks turn them down even if they can’t repay and the taxpayers will.

            Irish were enslaved and hurled out of Ireland and I don’t see people with Irish last names looting, burning down cities. I’m not talking NRA. Terrorism is no excuse.

            So you probably get the black salve mentality, white made them poor, held down–not Rev Al and his ilk who profit from racism that is coming from blacks toward whites who are not KKK-ing it

    • Gabrielle Alyse

      Sounds like what they’re saying lines up with what other eye witnesses said too. Around the 15 second mark, the guy recounting his version of what happened starts with the fact that he had just seen Johnson and Brown walk by his apartment when he was leaving the building. Then he said “that’s the one that ran behind this right here, (can’t see what he’s pointing to but he could be talking about Johnson as he said to escape the bullets, he ran and hid behind a parked car) because he ran all the way up there where we live at.” Then he says, “when I came back outside, all I seen was the police in that truck right there, and the dude… I don’t know what happened.” Someone else asks whose hat in on the ground and the other guy tells him it’s Brown’s. The guy asks how he got from there to there and the guy tells him he ran. He goes on to say, “the police was in the truck, they was fighting… (something inaudible about being “over the truck?”) then he ran, the police got out, ran after him and next thing I know, he’s coming back toward the police. The police had his gun drawn already.” To this, the person he’s talking to reacts in a shocked manner and asks, “Oh, the police shot him?” The other guy responds, “Yeah and the police kept dumping in him (multiple shots). I’m thinking that police is missing! The police was like this far from him (again, we can’t see what he’s doing to show the distance), dumping in him.” Then we hear a woman screaming (who’s later identified as the Brown’s aunt or grandmother) asking why no one is doing anything to help Brown and asking where the ambulance is. Then we hear a man keep repeating that “he’s gone.” Someone else exclaims that he didn’t know the police shot him and some other guy confirms this.

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

        No, it rebuts the lies of the “no snitchin’” public statements of the coached friends who say he surrendered with his hands up. Brown doubled back and charged at Wilson, listen to a fuller version of this audio here, and go to 8:31 where the guy says “he just kept coming’ at him.” If someone Brown’s size has already beaten and injured you, and tried to take your gun, then comes back charging at you, you shoot him down:

        http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/

        • Gabrielle Alyse

          Not once in that video did the man say Brown charged at Wilson. At 8:31, the man says “the police was like 10 yards away from him and just shooting and I’m thinking the police is missing because the dude is still standing. Then he kept coming towards him (unclear whether he’s talking about the officer or Brown here).” So tell me again which part rebuts the other witnesses’ claims? All of the witnesses have said Brown was facing the officer when he unloaded on him.

          • Sam Houston

            All I read and hear is that Brown threw his hands up then turned around and faced the Officer, yet they all recount that Brown was shot in the back 8 times. Do they not know that bullets don’t actually curve around by slinging the gun while shooting? It was a dumb hollyweed movie.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Of the witnesses I’ve listened to, none of them claim he was shot in the back 8 times. They all said that after he was hit once in the back, he turned and put his hands up to indicate he was surrendering, and was facing the officer when he was shot a few more times before going to the ground.

        • lisarichards124

          This young man had a choice. He could have stopped at that robbery and he would be alive and given another chance to change his life for the good not the bad. Choices decide if we live or die. This young adult chose to attack a cop and that choice became violent and led to his death because of his actions. Nothing to do with race, but choices and the actions of those choices

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Toxicology report will show PCP is my bet.

          • lisarichards124

            Will we even see entire video. You know there is one on the cop’s car. What about street cams? Do they have them there? Either way, will they release everything, because Rodney King violently attacked the cop before he HAD to be beaten down by more than two cops, because he was so drunk and so high.

            The fact the cop had to shoot more than once says something: This guy was not stopped by one bullet.

          • SiRobertson

            So far they’ve found he had weed in his system and Rush said that Swisher Sweets are used to make blunt, whatever that is.

        • lisarichards124

          Notice he was not shot at 35 feet away. Media and threaders keep using that, but Brown turned at 35 ft and started taunting the cop (whom he had just physically attacked, beat up and was grabbing the cops gun) and then charged–ran toward–the cop with the gun, charged him. Brown was running back at the cop who must have thought what is he going to do to me? He told Brown to freeze when he was running away. Brown could have stopped and got on the ground. No, he decided to taunt and then charge back at the cop who then shot a robber charging him.

          Okay people: What would all of you do? Stand there and say “please dont hurt me, please don’t beat me up again,” would you run form the guy who was 6’4″ 290 pounds knowing if he catches you he is going to beat the daylights out of you and grab that gun from you and probably shoot you? Or would you shoot him to stop him from attacking you again?

          If you give the left wing PC answer of try to talk him out of it after e already lacerated your head and tried to take your gun, you’re dead. Because Brown had violent intentions, even after given the choice to freeze. He could have saved his own life right there. He chose to charge the cop he had already beat up. I would have shot him dead as well.

  • Kris allfrey

    Your mistake in your story is that Officer Wilson had no idea that Brown was involved in a crime. His Police Department has made that clear in several of their statements.

    • IvyDevilDog

      But Brown knew he had committed that crime – did a guilty mind influence his actions?

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      The department isn’t painting an accurate picture; Wilson did learn about it immediately after first contact with Brown, that is why he backed the vehicle up.

      • lisarichards124

        The fact he backed up the vehicle says Brown was getting worse. It went from bad to worse because this young man would not stop. “charging?” He was determined to NOT stop what he started

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          No, he realized the two were the robbery suspects the BOLO went out for.

          • lisarichards124

            That’s what I meant: The cop could see it was deadly, that guy was not going to surrender when he turned and charged.

            But yeah, when the officer arrived, it had to be very obvious. Everyone assume cops just shoot for fun. No, try being in their position. They have to go into ghetto neighborhoods too often to mostly violence, not a cat up a tree

          • AFmom

            Were you off your meds before or what? I’m new on here but geez.

          • lisarichards124

            No, a conversation got out of hand and misconstrued. I apologized. And just now for the umpteenth time.

            Her’s an idea, let’s all not let the leftist black getting us verbally looting. We’ll call it lesson learned.

            And notice we whites don’t riot and loot over our ancestors or if one of our loved ones is killed, or a white is killed–often by blacks. If we looted and rioted it would be daily.

            Now that snide comment is meant. We don’t loot over whites.

          • lisarichards124

            No. one remark was snide and taken another way, and then an argument ensued. That’s it. At least no rioting here. But things do get heated up. At least you’ll find free speech hear even a brawl breaks out, but no towns burned down over it.

            Maybe Ferguson rioters ought to try verbal debating as we all do here. It actually saves money on our neighborhoods. But then, I guess that would defeat the purpose of Bell Hooks and the Panther’s 60s and 70s excuse of “Hating Whitey.”

          • lisarichards124

            What’s going on here with this Dept? Maybe it’s me, but I feel like they withheld and still are to play the let’s be careful we don’t make them riot too much. Why hold out so long with videos?

  • gene457

    Yup, no surprise here. Michael Brown was a violent gorilla who NEEDED to be gunned down. Thank you officer, for clearing this world of yet another crime-ridden niqqer.

  • IvyDevilDog

    Test post.

    • Sam Houston

      Test post – 5 x 5.

  • IvyDevilDog

    Another test post…

  • IvyDevilDog

    Brown knew he had committed a crime – did a guilty mind influence his behavior??

  • lisarichards124

    Well Donald, once again I must commend you because your column has not only started debates, but it has opened up discussions on race that have some pretty nasty racism going on, but to see it is to read stupidity and ignorance that opens the eyes to see not all people would make Brown’s choice or act like him or we would not have the Dr. Ben Carsons or Thomas Sowells. Brown chose to rob, but he could have stopped right there and accepted his punishment and used it to turn his life around. Brown chose to attack that cop, but even then he could have stopped and said I give up, and let the cop arrest him, accept the punishment and use it to turn his life around. Many men, black and white and Hispanic, have done that and changed their lives for great things.

    There is a moral to this: Choose right or wrong, crime or justice. Choose to do what is right or go down the bad road. All the way, we are given chance after chance with every minute of every day to choose to not do the wrong thing, and if we do, before we get ourselves killed, we have the choice to stop, not go further and change

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Carson and Sowell are outliers.

      • lisarichards124

        That’s what’s sad. They are considered turncoats for thinking freely. For realizing they are free thinking, autonomous human beings, not members of a group that must think as the progressive elitist tells them to think.

        I remember the first time I heard Sowell speak. It was 83′ or 84′ and he was on Donahue’s Show and I was floored! I was glued to the TV as he explained free markets v collective. Donahue was taken down–I was thrilled! I watched Sowell on any show he went on and debated like a Founding Father. I felt then he should be the first black president. I hoped he would run against Bush. I didn’t see Bush as holding up 8 years that had been turning things around so well. Sowell, he was amazing and I was hooked and this Buckley Girl/Reagan voter became a Sowell girl. His books are my romance novels!

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          It’s wonderful that there are exceptions to the general rule.

          • lisarichards124

            I do agree with you on this Donald. And that’s why I said its sad.

            But I also think the Left feeds this as a weapon for power: Let’s tell blacks they are held down and poor because of whites, convince them they cannot rise up unless its to riot.

            Will all listen to reason? You just made the sad fact and pint: Exception to the rule. I agree 100%, and still do with you on all you have said. Except I’m not PC.

          • AFmom

            Seriously, you sound bi-polar, borderline or something after having read through the comments on here. 1/2 of what you said is mean, awful bullcrap and full of judgmental PC bologna from a pretend Christian comdemning others, and the other 1/2 is simpy and whiney. You appear to be contradicting yourself with every post. Just sayin.

      • clbrown

        I’m not sure that they’re as much “outliers” as you may be led to believe. There’s a great deal of “peer pressure” on those within the so-called “black community” to conform, so many choose to stay silent (believing themselves to be alone) rather than to speak out against what I’m absolutely convinced is a MINORITY of that population.

        This is the success of the propaganda system, and the success of “violence (or the threat thereof) as a means of guaranteeing compliance.”

        And let’s be very clear, too… the majority of the very vocal types being seen in this particular St. Louis ‘burb are NOT LOCALS. They have, like so often happens, been SHIPPED IN. They are, in large part, paid “rabble-rousers.”

        The first time I am aware of when this happened in recent (ish) history would be the standoff at Wounded Knee. (This is not “ancient history,” by the way, it’s modern history, and the Indians involved were not riding horses and shooting arrows, fighting against men in cowboy hats and using six shooters from the back of horses… learn your history, in order to understand it!)

        The local tribe, as it turned out, had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the “protests” which were being done, supposedly, “in their name.” And many of the shooters who showed up were shipped in from out of state. Quite a few who were quoted in papers, using “Indian-sounding names” were, in fact, of no (or virtually no) Indian ancestry whatsoever. The most renowned voice among them was, in fact, of entirely Irish descent, but had a made-up “Indian” name which he used when communicating with the press.

        And yet, to this day, most people continue to buy into the lie that this was “between a local Indian tribe and the law enforcement authorities,” regardless of how many statements to the contrary have come out from that very tribe and that tribe’s leadership.

        What’s happening in greater St. Louis today is right along that same line. Yes, some of the locals are involved this time around, but NOT THE MAJORITY OF THEM. Not the majority of the African-descent population, for that matter. And the majority of the “troublemakers” who have been ripping that community apart, physically and otherwise, are NOT FROM THAT COMMUNITY AT ALL.

        Don’t fall for the propaganda line… things aren’t as bad as your enemy (who is NOT, for the record, the majority of those living in this town, regardless of racial background) want to convince you that they are.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          The average IQ of U.S. blacks is 85.

          • clbrown

            Donald, you’re about to lose an ally. If you’d just said that… “spare us any more political correctness”… to my face, I’d have punched you for it.

            You are the one asserting that I, or others, are INFERIOR TO YOU. Please spare ME the thinly veiled prejudice.

            And yes, it is by its very definition “prejudice” when you judge people based upon factors other than WHO THE HELL THEY ACTUALLY ARE AND WHAT THE HELL THEY ACTUALLY CHOOSE TO DO!

            You’re doing EXACTLY what LIBERALS do… putting people into “boxes” and judging them based upon which “box” you’ve chosen to put them into. This is EXACTLY what is the most centrally evil element of modern American liberalism… the dehumanization of “the lesser classes” (as “the common people” or “the great unwashed masses” or so forth) and the promotion of these same so-called “liberals” as the ENLIGHTENED, RULING CLASS ELITES.

            If you’re going to start spouting that same bullshit, Donald, you might want to consider WHY you’ve chosen the “side” you’ve chosen.

            I’m the first to pass judgement on this so-called “kid” and to give the arresting officer a complete pass… but this has not one damned thing to do with the color of the “kid’s” skin, or the color of the officer’s skin. I’m judging the THUG as an INDIVIDUAL… and upon THE CONTENT OF HIS CHARACTER (which was very, very low, quite clearly).

            If you really want to make an enemy of me, because I may or may not have the same genetic background as you… well, you’ll succeed. But you may not “win” in the end.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            If you claim that blacks on the whole are equal to whites on the whole, you also are putting people into categories, “boxes.” Then, you must reckon with the question of whether or not such a statement is accurate. Is it?

          • proud white

            Hey guess what Mr. Joy is spot on, he is 100% correct. You would be right if you had the opportunity to meet every single person on the planet on a personal level. Then you would be able to find out all about their intelligence, criminal record and family history. Doing what Mr. Joy said is the most accurate way to assess a group of people without meeting each one. It is correct much more than it is incorrect. Why is this? It is because something that Mr. Joy likes to work with which is facts, not emotions. Let me ask you something if you were a cab driver and had to pick up someone at 2 am in the morning, would you feel more safe if it was a black or a white customer ? You cant get to know the person on a personal level so any cabbie with regard for his safety would rather choose the white person because of those little things called facts stating black men are more dangerous. Mr. Joy keep up the good work.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Brilliant pw, and you stated the exact same thing that Jesse Jackson himself admitted years ago about his own fear of black males at night, and his relief to find that a group of males behind him were white instead.

            We all have to operate every day with incomplete information about individuals, so heuristics is a perfectly moral and right way to make decisions.

          • lisarichards124

            But Jackson has an entourage and don’t tell me they are not armed and would not shoot Brown if he charged Jackson.

            Again, I agree with you and no, I’m not trying to appease you as you assumed yesterday. I have agreed with you, because you’re one of the only few telling the truth about this case and this guy who is constantly called a kid.

            He was 18, but the news media wants to play the stats you put up earlier where you discussed IQ. Do you notice that the media and even Jackson do in fact make blacks out to be ignorant victims of their own world and they can’t help it if they are criminals because they are black? We all know right from wrong, but the victimization thing is giving a free pass to blacks to say: You’re black, so you can rob because you are living in the hood because whites–let’s never say because of government leftists, or because most leaders in cities are black Democrats.

            But that man–Brown–still had choices that day. He had a choice when the cop yelled freeze.

            You say we all operate without complete info daily: True. We can’t know everything going to happen or about everyone we contact, so that then, I feel, justifies a cop going into a dangerous situation, not knowing if the guy is armed with anything or physically violent. Either way, if the guy charges the cop, the cop has no idea if its a death charge. He has to shoot to stop.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Are you not even familiar with Jackson’s famous quote? He was talking about walking alone at night. He was reluctantly admitting that racial profiling is necessary and valid.

            .

          • lisarichards124

            Yes, I remember him saying he is afraid of black men on the streets and will cross the street to avoid them. So he actually does agree with stop and frisk until it doesn’t help his political cause of professional racism

          • lisarichards124

            To your other point: No I don’t buy into not racial profiling. I agree with it. And no, I don’t believe all people are inherently good. That’s not what I was saying above. I don’t have a knee jerk reaction to want all people to be good, because I think it’s impossible or we would never see crime. I’m no Wilsonian progressive who believes we can perfect people. We cannot. History has proven that. If we could, then why the crime in black neighborhoods? Why Islamic violence?

            Do I think I could live in that neighborhood? No way. I would be hated because I’m white and worse. I know that, it goes on all too often. I’m agreeing with you Donald, and no, not trying to appease you.

          • lisarichards124

            You said this: “some
            level of
            racism is moral and just in order to confront and remedy abject black
            immorality and inferiority; if they truly are equal, they will answer it
            by cleaning up their act and rising above the criticism. If not,
            they’ll just continue to do what they do and attack you for being
            racist”

            I have said exactly this every time there is a riot, or how about Katrina? Do you remember that there was a parish down there of Asians and whites who refused to wait on the state to clean and rebuild, so the churches go together and did it, while black parishes around them did not, sill are dumps?

            I can’t remember the name, maybe you or someone else can. News never covered it. I saw this in a conservative news source. The parish is there, many are, but the black parishes wait on the state.

            And no, they are not equal to whites or white Europeans v Africans. Who wrote the books, translated the Bible, who are the philosophers, who were the bankers, mathematicians, scientists, doctors, nurses, teachers, etc. And Greeks were athletes thousands of years-ago and writing about it. So I guess that makes me a racist, because sorry, but yeah, whites did invent it, the industrial revolution, Renaissance, Judeo-Chrsitianity did not come out of Africa, but out of Israelites and to Gentiles–Greeks, Romans, so on and that led to protestant Work ethic. There is more in between–you already know–but it’s not African.

          • SiRobertson

            You’re the one doing exactly what liberals do….reacting personally and emotionally, facts be damned.

            Debate the facts.

          • clbrown

            Riiiiight. How CUTE.

            So, what I’m picking up from this little “exchange” is that Doug Giles’ site is now heavily populated by people who think that if someone else has different skin color than them, that person is inferior to them.

            I can guarantee you that you are not superior to me, “SiRobertsons,” and neither is “Proud White” (what a CHARMING name, which shows you everything you really need to know about him).

            But what’s most disturbing to me is that Donald here, who is an OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE of this site… who is given voice here… also feels that if my skin isn’t the same color as his, I’m somehow “inferior” to him.

            Okay, so I’ll admit it. I was wrong, at least about THIS website. You guys have convinced me.

            Black conservatives aren’t permitted here, unless those black conservatives agree to polish your shoes for you and wipe your asses for you and accept “second class status” to you, because you are all OBVIOUSLY “superior.”

            You’re not representatives of what I believe in… you’re the antithesis of what I believe in. You guys are EVIL, plain and simple, and you are my enemies, if you REMOTELY believe a single piece of the bullshit you’ve been spouting here.

            The original article… I agreed with. I agree that this “kid” is no kid, and that he asked for… no, DEMANDED… the treatment he received. I believe that the police officer was in the right, in defending himself, but just as much, DEFENDING THE COMMUNITY from this thug.

            The trouble in St. Louis is due to people looking at “skin color” first. All those “protesters” are angry because it was a white guy who shot a black guy, regardless of what actually matters… the facts of the case, and the specifics of each individual involved.

            And you guys are EVERY BIT AS BAD AS THOSE PEOPLE. You’re just “picking the other team jersey” but taking the exact same position as the “protesters.”

            I don’t give a damn what color your skin is, “SiRobertson,” nor do I care about what color “Proud White’s” skin is, nor do I care what color Donald Joy’s skin is. I care about your CHARACTERs. But each of you has now demonstrated a disgustingly poor character. Each of you has taken a position that if I happen to look different than you, I’m INFERIOR TO YOU.

            That makes all three of you racists, by definition, and this means that each of you is no better than the street thugs on the other side of this issue.

            Consider this Conservative to have gotten the message. I’m unwelcome here, and I won’t bother to come here again. And I’ll be sure to pass this message along to any black conservatives I know… avoid Doug Giles’ site, and especially Donald Joy’s articles.

          • SiRobertson

            You still refuse to debate the facts. You’re welcome here but you’re behaving emotionally rather than factually.

            Btw, do you have difficulty admitting that, collectively speaking, blacks are better basketball players than most other races?

            If you don’t, then YOU are the racist because no one gets to pick and choose realities.

          • proud white

            Si you are right again. You and Mr. Joy are always spot on

          • SiRobertson

            Thank you and so are you. I enjoy reading your comments.

          • Dave

            I wouldn’t let them push me off that easily. Gabrielle has had the tenacity to stand up to them, so should you. We need more people like yourself to speak out.

          • Jennifer Gray

            No one is pushing him anywhere. What is it exactly that you want him to stand up to them about? We do not need any more people on here who refuse to discuss the truth of these matters and just prefer to stick their angry heads in the sand. That never helps anyone learn anything.

          • Dave

            I disagree. I understand that most school teachers graduate at the lower end of their high school class. That may explain your lack of comprehension skills.

          • Jennifer Gray

            No, ahole, not true. What’s your problem, your skin color or are you just a dumb creep?

          • Dave

            Spoken like someone in the teaching profession, which has a higher conviction rate for sexual abuse against children than the Catholic priests do.

          • lisarichards124

            I can’t find your thread, but that was meant to be IRA, not NRA. You’ll see the reply

          • Evan White

            I’m pretty sure there have been black conservitives on this site before . So you are welcome here. If you don’t like this site try Theblacksphere.net

          • Evan White

            If Conservatives would just stop jibber jabbering and fighting eachother perhaps things would go better. How can the Tea Party nominate a good president if none of us can agree? We have to take down Hitlery and her goons from being in office and screaming at each other like my 4 sister and her friend is not a good way to get along. So if you don’t want the demonscraps to win 2016 election the Tea Party people must work together.

          • Evan White

            Can you attempt to get along with others.

          • Jennifer Gray

            Not meaning to sound rude, but you’re acting like a little child having a temper tantrum because they didn’t hear what they wanted to hear. I teach high school and if one of my students acted like you are the rest would make fun of him mercilessly out of class. Maybe you should reign in your feelings and try to be logical by listening and studying instead of just lashing out.

          • proud white

            I am proud to be white. Why wouldn’t I be? So many beautiful white women for me to chose from. Before you consider punching my face in consider I wrestled division I heavyweight so it might not be a good idea acting like Mr. Tough guy all the time. You might just get what you asked for like your bff mike brown

          • clbrown

            Why would anyone be “proud” of something that they, personally, had nothing to do with? Did you CHOOSE the color of your skin? Did you have to work hard to achieve that? (Okay, I’ll give you this… maybe Michael Jackson could, in theory, have been “proud” of his skin color, on that basis…)

            As for “many beautiful white women to choose from,” that’s fascinating as well. So, if a gorgeous woman who just happened to have ancestry from Asia were to approach you, would you reject her because “she’s not white?”

            And while you may well have “wrestled division heavyweight” (I don’t necessarily believe that, as anyone can claim anything on the internet, but let’s say it’s true)… that’s irrelevant. I’m a combat vet with a fairly lengthy list of kills. So, I’m not “intimidated” by that. But you’ll note that I said that to Donald, not to you, and I said it for a very specific reason… he thought that he could belittle and “talk down” to me, and he did it while totally ignoring the point I was making (and, in fact, essentially proving my point!) Apparently, your “wresting” pedigree prevents you from understanding that you’re not the focus of the universe?

            Donald DESERVED TO BE PUNCHED for the smug, smarmy, and insulting comment he made. And if he made that comment to me in a public place, the odds are, I’d get applause for doing so. I said what I said to him in the hopes, faint though they may have been, that he’d step back from his self-righteous tone and reconsider what he was saying and why, and TO WHOM, and how any reasonable person would respond to being berated in that fashion by him or by anyone else.

            By the way, MORON… and yes, I’m using that term intentionally, and because it fits, very well… what part of any comment I’ve ever made leads you to conclude that “Mike Brown” would in any way be my “BFF?” Do you have ZERO reading comprehension skills? You might want to go back and read my comments, and actually make your next comment based upon ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE rather than idiotic, bigoted prejudice.

            The fact is, I’ve said repeatedly that I am 100% behind the cop in this case. I’ve referred to “my BFF” (as you put it) as a stupid THUG who asked for exactly what he got.

            The only difference is that I judge him based upon WHO HE IS, and WHAT HE DOES. You, it seems, are very much the same sort of person he is, except “on the other team.”

          • proud white

            You are so foolish you don’t even realize sarcasm. I’m sure you are a big man with a small head, that would explain your lack of reason and would help explain why you have an IQ of 85 or in your case it is probably no more than 80! keep up the terrible work and spam writing, my 12 year old niece can write better than you

          • clbrown

            I’m impressed by how much you’ve managed to glean from my comments. “Impressed” as in “oh my God, this is hillarious.”

            I’ll have to assume that the above is intended to be “sarcasm” too, as my last IQ test (three years ago) rated me at 183, and my writing is orders of magnitude above yours. I actually got the first perfect score in verbals on the SAT in my state, ever, and that was back when the SATs were a lot harder than they are today (due to “PC” adjustements). I never had to take any English courses in college, because I was able to test out of all of them, so I was able to concentrate my attention on the math and hard science courses I was studying (which I paid for by becoming an officer in the Armed forces, through a full-ride ROTC scholarship and several other scholarships).

            As for being a “big man,” I never said that. I said I’m a combat vet with a fairly long list of kills. And for having a small head, well, I’m afraid that you must be getting me confused with your own inbred relatives… who, I have to assume, make up the “many women” who you have a shot with? (See how that works? I can give it back just as easily as you can.)

            Yes, your note above is very clearly par for the course with you… and your comments are very clearly not being made from the perspective of a major intellectual powerhouse. Your reading comprehension skills are sub-par, of course, but you make up for that with your presumptions, assertions, and juvenile insults.

            One more time… what, exactly, are you “proud” of? Did you choose your skin color? Did you choose your ancestry? Or do you have something REAL to be “proud” of? Something you worked for, and worked hard for, in order to achieve, which few if any others have achieved? Is there ANYTHING about you which you are, legitimately, able to be proud of?

            I stand by my every statement and comment here. And I continue to be disgusted by the small handful of loud, obnoxious, self-righteous (but undeservedly so) racists who see this event as an opportunity to bolster their own personal hatreds.

            I find this disgusting when it’s done by Jesse Jackson, or when it’s done by Al Sharpton… or when it’s done by someone like you. And one more time, let’s be clear… you are literally no different from them, except you’ve chosen a “different team jersey.” You have the same mindset and the same goals, it’s pretty evident.

          • proud white

            wow who would have known you are more intelligent than Einstein amazing. buddy 183 really? if you are going to make up a number at least make it believable. My brother went to the Bronx High School of Science his IQ was tested in the low 140′s and he writes like a genius. Here we have a knucklehead claiming one of the highest IQ’s on recorded records. I think I figured this out. You have a PSYCH issue. LOL

          • clbrown

            Marilyn vos Savant has the highest recorded IQ… 228. If I claimed that level, you might have a point. But I claimed only what I scored.

            You, on the other hand, appear to have an IQ of about 85 to 90. You might want to stop while you at least THINK you’re “ahead.”

          • proud white

            my IQ is over 125 unofficially, hey dummy do you even realize how high 183 IQ is? you don’t because you are too dumb

          • clbrown

            “Unofficially,” meaning what, exactly?

            And yes, I’m quite well aware of how high 183 is. But evidently you aren’t.

          • proud white

            You are a spiteful little turd. I would say a rock was brighter than you, at least a rock isn’t full of lies and spite like you are my Psychotic little friend

          • clbrown

            Oh, multiple replies to a single post… Hmmm… seems I’ve struck a nerve. You can just feel the rage oozing off his every comment, can’t you? He thinks he’s “superior” and he’s not.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Who said the color of your skin makes you inferior? Not me. I merely point out statistical probability about intelligence and character based on aggregates. There are many superior blacks. Do the math, it’s not that hard. Statistically, it is more likely that any given black is FAR more likely to be a criminal than any given white. It’s not my fault.

          • lisarichards124

            Donald, these were the facts I agreed with you and you assumed I was not, or that I was being politically correct. No, I agree with you, because the IQ tests keep getting done. No one is trying to be or is politically correct, and that is where you assumed I was when I got angry at someone who said blacks are the scourge of the earth. I don’t think that, because I believe the Bible: God created man in His image and likeness. But then that has been assumed that I believe the races are equal.

            Sorry ladies, but God did create man first, and no, we’re not equal to men and NO races are not equal to each other or we would not have differences.

            So, please don’t call me politically correct. I’m far from it.

        • Len

          Unfortunately race is the most biggest issue in America. Forget war with foreign countries. We are fighting a war among ourselves. I do not care the color of the president or Brown. Look at the details of the shooting. A wrong is a wrong. On Brown’s part and the officer. If there were not so many race issues we could see this. The rioting is not supportive of his parents. Also, the police should have found a way to bring these parents in to share as much details with the parents to enlightened them about their son’s tragedy. Right or wrong on their son’s part! The delay of this information puts doubt about the truth of the matter. Life is a lesson. We must learn that there are changes that must be made in Ferguson. That we must work together in our communities so serve all. Black and White. To call names at people only perpetuate racism and violence. If you not part of a solution, then your part of the problem.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      But thank you once again.

      • lisarichards124

        Question: The ramifications of these looters and Sharpton making it political gain for anti-gun progressives who want us all disarmed. Are they going to use this as they used Trayvon Martin and say guns should not be in our hands because of crazed looters? I’m not talking about the cop, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Lizzie Warren plays on voters to ban cop’s guns, make us British.

        But the Piers Morgan crowd must love another shooting, even if it was lawful, to use against guns in general: Oh, the “Kid” would be alive if only the cop used a water pistol

    • innocent bystander

      Parents need to do a better job teaching their children how to make the right decision in any given situation. Decisions have ramifications. One of the first rules your taught as a child is don’t steal, it’s one of the Ten Commandments…I guess he probably didn’t read those or maybe never heard of those. This guy Brown just kept making one bad decision after another…lets see his past criminal record, I’m sure he has a pretty lengthy rap sheet, and lets see what drugs are in his blood stream.

  • chuckles

    None of the setup makes a hill of beans, IMO. If Brown had just committed armed robbery and the police didn’t know it, the officer still must handle him as any other citizen. When the kid hit the officer and went for the gun inside his own car,( I think we can establish at least one shot inside the car while Brown wasn’t cuffed or searched yet), the officer was completely within rights to deadly force. The problem starts to arise if the perp was running from the scene unarmed, did the officer still have the right of deadly force? If the perp ends up with 5-7 shots in him with no powder burns from the back, the jury is going to have to swallow hard to come down on the side of the police. Even 3-4 feet will leave powder on his shirt and the officer could say he was still fighting for his life. If the kid was 10 feet away showing his back, there will be questions. I realize the adrenaline was flowing, but they pay cops to have some sort of super hero judgement under pressure. I was always taught that if you have the right to pull the trigger once, you can empty the mag on him, but these days, juries seem to think millisecond by millisecond. If the body was found outside the car, he probably was trying to get away from the bullets. I heard it mentioned that there was a head shot at the end. You can’t trust scuttlebutt, but that’s all we have without the police releasing more evidence. If you remember the T.Martin case, it was “Ziimerman murdered TM” all the way up to the trial. Then we find out TM was at dad’s door and 4 minutes later he was pounding on Zimerman blocks away from dads door. TM stalked Zimmerman and initiated the fight and Zimmerman acted in self defense. I’m sure this is the same thing, but if Brown was shot in the back feet from the car, the jury will act like Wilson should have known the treat was gone and just arrested Brown. In a normal arrest, Wilson would have searched Brown and cuffed him before he entered the car. It’s almost a slam dunk that Brown attacked Wilson and he fired in self defense.
    One thing no one has mentioned yet is a dashcam or officer cam film. Even a dashcam video would give sound and reveal a lot about what happened inside the car. If there is an officer mounted cam, we get to see what Wilson saw. There is much more coming. My daughter is a university cop and has a body cam. I can’t imagine police forces having all types of gear but don’t have a cam.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Brown doubled back and charged at Wilson. Pretty funny that you actually think no one has brought up the question of a camera, lol

      • lisarichards124

        Where are the smart phone cameras? Everyone photographs these thing, but not this one?

        But cop cars have cameras, and you said body cam and the evidence is supported that the guy charged the cop. Do you know why Ferguson MO police have with held this?

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          My information is that the vehicle was not equipped with one, but suppose that is wrong, and it was. You act as if they are panoramic or something; have you not even ever seen a video from one of them? Sheesh. They are fixed in one direction, the front. Audio would help, if it turned out the report that no camera is wrong.

          • lisarichards124

            Where did I say the cams are panoramic? Uh, you just misconstrued everything I said. I never said they were fixed all over. Where did you get that? I’m simply asking if there was body cam? Or a camera that got a video?

            I was only wondering what you have heard about a camera. Where you got panoramic from my question I have no idea. And I’m just saying the charged the cop, so wouldn’t anyone in that situation assume the worst? Thug charges you after beating you, trying to take your gun.

            Sheesh.

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times (All shots in front-witness lied)

    4 bullets hit his right arm, 2 hit his head. The last and fatal shot hit the top of his head, supporting the claim that Brown was charging at Wilson:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3193963/posts

    • Gabrielle Alyse

      You left out some important details… of the wounds that were in his arm, 3 were to the inner arm and one was to the palm (thumb area) of his hand which supports the claims that his arms were in the air as if surrendering when shot. Doc says the shot to the top of his head was likely the last shot and “suggests that his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury.” Goes on to say that “it can be because he’s giving up (according to some of the witnesses, he was getting down), or because he’s charging forward at the officer (according to Wilson’s version of events).” It also could be that he was falling down dead, as he had already been shot in the chest near the heart, the neck, jaw and face (if, in fact, the shot to the top of his head was last).
      Also, I’m no expert when it comes to guns, but am I mistaken in thinking that getting so many bullets so close in proximity (in regard to the shots to the head/neck area) is tough to do when your target is moving/running/charging towards you, no?
      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

      • Bill

        Regardless, the witnesses lied by inferring that the cop shot him in the back. And trying to grab a 300 pound guy with 1 hand through the window? LOL!!!

        • Gabrielle Alyse

          As I just stated to another user above, the fact that he wasn’t shot in the back doesn’t necessarily mean the witnesses lied. They could’ve thought he was shot in the back as he ran from the officer that was shooting at him (according to their versions of what happened). One of the eye witnesses whose account I remember pretty clearly (Tiffany Mitchell) mentioned that she believed he was hit in the back because his body jerked before turning around. Note that he was sagging and wearing flip flops… not quite the ideal attire for sprinting, so he might’ve tripped or lost a shoe or something… but this is just mere speculation based on what he was wearing at the time.

          • SATCitizen

            Don’t you stand on the anti-bully platform? Why was Brown pushing the shop clerk around like a big bully. . .oh yeah, because he’s as innocent as apple pie and the guy was smaller, so it was easy to threaten him. B)o( didn’t do a good job of raising his sons, neither did Sharpton or Jackson. Their grandfather, MLK, would be deeply disappointed in his dream only to see what a nightmare it has become.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I would never defend Brown’s actions in the convenience store. He was wrong, period. If the store clerk had shot him then and there, I wouldn’t have questioned his motives. But this new evidence strongly supports the claim that he was surrendering when he was killed by the officer.

          • proud white

            sure and you know what mike brown wasn’t even real he was actually just a robot. The blood was fake too this is all just a national experiment.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You never answered my question earlier. Do you have enough free time to do so now?

          • SiRobertson

            What new strongly supporting evidence???

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            The locations of the bullet entry wounds on the inner arm and palm.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Bullshit.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Also, I asked this question above, but no one answer it. Am I mistaken in thinking that getting so many bullets so close in proximity (in regard to the shots to the head/neck area) is tough to do when your target is running/charging towards you?

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            You are misreading the diagram. It depicts a single bullet’s entry, exit, reentry, and reexit behavior. Study up.

          • SATCitizen

            From your perspective. . .but not from the perspective on the scene.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You mean from your perspective?

          • SATCitizen

            Brown was high. . .that’s from the autopsy perspective. How high do you want to spin your narrative now?

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Brown had marijuana in his system. Doesn’t necessarily mean he was high at the time he was killed. For regular users, it stays in the system for quite some time after use.

          • SATCitizen

            Brown was still a bully. . .that stays in the system for a long time as the video has proven. He was probably a regular user in that department as well. Maybe his fault was why he was killed. So defend Brown with the officer’s eye damage.

    • lisarichards124

      My question the media wont ask is: if someone beats up a cop and wrestles with him, the runs, the cop yells freeze and the suspect turns and charges at the cop, is the cop supposed to assume the guy is running to hug him? Should the cop yell stop in the name of love?

      The 18 year-old adult ran toward the cop, charging him, so it was not 35 ft. It was that when he stopped to turn back to charge the cop. What would someone else do? Not shoot?

      If the cop were black, he would have shot the guy. Can anyone really say they would not have shot in self-defense? If you say you would not have shot the guy, you’re saying you would lay down and let him kill you.

      Also: How many blacks have shot each other since then and the media is not discussing it?

    • AFmom

      Today is my first time to get on this site. I really enjoyed your article. Good job and I agree totally. Looks like there are several good stories to read here.

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

        Thank you, AFmom.

    • lisarichards124

      And Dept. kept back a lot, how much more? Didn’t parents admit their darling was no sweetie pie?

  • Gabrielle Alyse

    Now I’m no expert, but raise your arms as if surrendering and look at the locations of the bullet wounds in Michael Brown’s body. Doc also says that “the bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body.” However, I did note it says that the doctor did not have access to the clothing Brown was wearing. Also noted that Brown was wearing short sleeves.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

    • proud white

      Here is a fact,Michael Baden is a hired gun, he made 250,000 representing Phil Spector in court, trying to paint a picture that made Spector look innocent. Anyone that watched that case could clearly see how much nonsense he was making up. Spector was found guilty. The fact is Baden is working for the Brown family and trying to paint them a pretty picture that will fit in with their story. He is not credible. Another fact, several witnesses have been discredited due to the fact Brown was not shot in his back as Mr. Joy has stated. Now after looking at the evidence presented in the diagram that you provided, it clearly looks as though brown threw up his hands instinctively to put them in front of his face. His hands were up but not fully extended up. Wouldn’t that make sense to put your hands up when bullets are flying by your face or when you see a gun pointed at you? ALSO Do you really think a policeman is going to shoot someone where their arms would be if they were fully extended in surrender? In the police academy I highly doubt they tell the cops to shoot at the top of the Criminals extended arms. Nope they are going to shoot where the largest part of the body is. If the hands were out in front of the face this would be consistent with being in the area of the largest part of the body. Gabrielle you are trying hard but I think you are fighting an upward battle that is going to leave you disappointed in the end

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        I think you’re reaching pretty hard. When evidence comes out that doesn’t support what you think happened, you attack the source’s credibility. This same doctor reviewed the autopsies of former President Kennedy and MLK. The fact that he was trusted with such high profile cases speaks to his credibility.
        And the fact that he wasn’t shot in the back doesn’t necessarily mean the witnesses lied. They could’ve thought he was shot in the back as he ran from the officer that was shooting at him (according to their versions of what happened). One of the eye witnesses whose account I remember pretty clearly mentioned that she believed he was hit in the back because his body jerked before turning around. Note that he was sagging and wearing flip flops… not quite the ideal attire for sprinting, so he might’ve tripped or lost a shoe or something… but this is just mere speculation based on what he was wearing at the time.

        • proud white

          The autopsy diagram you presented is factual I believe it 100% and I believe that it will set the officer free. what I do not find credible is the spin that Baden puts on the cases that he represents. However the majority of his clients end up being found guilty anyways this case will be no different if it goes to trial

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Also, note that there are no bullet wounds on the left side of his body. If his hands were up blocking his face from the onslaught of bullets, the normal reaction would be to cross the arms, right? If that were the case, more than likely he would’ve been shot in the left arm/hand… and if the arms weren’t fully extended, how did the wounds to the right inner arm come to be?

          • proud white

            no the normal reaction would be to throw the hands up in front of the face as reflex. You would only cross the arms if you were cowering.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Shield your face the way you would if you were shielding it from bullets… what feels the most natural?

          • proud white

            shield your face and walk/run forward. What feels most natural?

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I would most likely be using the bulk of my elbow/bicep area, not forearms, with my arms up and crossed forming a sort of diamond shape in the middle.
            Or if I was trying to bum rush someone, I might have my arms up and folded back over my head with my elbows blocking most of my face. How about you?

          • SATCitizen

            Ask the shop clerk being pushed around.

          • FrankTalk14

            Arguing with people who have already made up their minds is useless, whether such people (such as the writer of this article and commentators) have made up their minds for racial or other reasons. The wounds that the autopsy shows could, and the key word is could, be consistent with Brown having attempted to surrender. We need to have more facts before drawing conclusions, and I hope a thorough, impartial investigation will reveal those facts.

          • Jennifer Gray

            Obviously all the savages (looters and rioters) made up their minds instantly, as did the morons obama and Sharpton. At least there’s just talk and questioning going on here, not destroying a community.

          • FrankTalk14

            The rioters and looters are criminals who are just looking for an excuse to loot, as happened in LA during 1992 riots, and some years after that when the Lakers won a championship. Obama issued a statement of sympathy for Brown family and called on Ferguson PD to respect right of peaceful protesters. Sharpton may very well be exploiting situation for his own purposes and to give his shows (on radio and MSNBC) better ratings. But maybe in long run this will encourage a national discussion about police-community relations and racial profiling.

          • Jennifer Gray

            Racial profiling is a necessity for all of us. That’s how Israel keeps so many terrorists off their planes. Now that NYC is no longer allowed to profile the crime rate has once again skyrocketed. It’s not safe for anyone if they don’t use common sense and profile who’s around them at all times. It may not be politically correct to say it (and who cares), but everyone knows black neighborhoods are the most dangerous and to avoid them if possible. It’s true any time the demographic is made up of very many blacks. The progressives have made racial profiling into something bad just because there is such a high percentage of black criminals, but it’s causing those criminals to have much more latitude when it isn’t used.

          • lisarichards124

            NYC rape is up because you can’t racially profile or stop and frisk.

            It’s not politically correct to say black neighborhoods are most violent. It gets back to our earlier discussion on teaching. So you probably see that in students. If they are not so violent then why do cops avoid those neighborhoods?

            Progressives told blacks they are the way they are because of whites. But don’t blame the ones who really sold them into slavery–Africans in Africa–and now Rev Al and Jackson and Lizzie WarPath and the rest of the progressives.

          • FrankTalk14

            Not all black neighborhoods are dangerous, that corresponds with income. Race alone should not be, imho, the determining factor as to whether or not someone is “suspicious.”

          • SiRobertson

            Low income corresponds with low I.Q. most of the time for any race. BUT, how do you explain how much more violent ghettos are than low income white neighborhoods?

          • Patricio Neves jr

            WE HUMANS ARE NOT MEANT TO FLY OR WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BORN WITH WINGS STAY AWAY FROM PLANES AND U WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT GODS MAD AT WHAT MAN IS DOING AND WILL RETURN

          • Joe Bloggins

            Well if humans weren’t meant to fly then why did ‘god’ give them the brains to invent aircraft?

          • Patricio Neves jr

            God also gave brains to make our own chocies

          • Grace

            I think one of the real problems with racial profiling is that it reinforces stereotypes (that may or may not be true) about groups of people. Due to the use of racial profiling African Americans are more likely to be stopped for suspicion of drugs, rape, violent crime, etc. But what about all the non-Black criminals? Fewer of them are stopped and subsequently fewer are arrested. Targeting a certain group of people reinforces stereotypes while neglecting other offenders. Of course there is a higher percentage of African Americans in prison, because they are the most policed. If lower-income white neighborhoods were under the same scrutiny as African American ones, there would probably be just as many in prison. Also, lower income does not equal lower IQ. Being poor is not the same is being stupid. Breaking out of the cycle of poverty is extremely hard when you don’t have the same opportunities to learn how to manage money, the disadvantage of a poor learning environment, and the stigma of coming from a poor family/area.

          • proud white

            of course we should spend time looking at the children and elderly because, they commit crime too right? How can you be so ignorant

          • Grace

            I’m not saying look at children and the elderly. I’m saying when you are on the look out for an African American to commit a crime, you’ll probably find one. Because you are specifically looking for THEM. There isn’t as much focus on catching white criminals so fewer are arrested and imprisoned. They just skate under the radar.

          • proud white

            you are so ignorant I cant even talk to you. okay let me spell it out for you. not for your sake because you still wont understand but for other readers of this website. Men commit the most crime correct? this is why police look at men more than women on a daily basis. Blacks and Hispanics commit the most crime this is why police look towards backs and Hispanics when solving crime on a daily basis. White people, Asian people, children, the elderly are all looked at as well but you have to look where the most crime is occurring. YOU ARE WRONG looking for white crime WILL not result in more arrests, it will result in nothing but a waste of time that could have been spent finding black/Hispanic perps

          • Gracd

            I’m just saying that racial profiling is a vicious cycle, arresting African Americans just because their race makes them suspect is problematic. It reinforces harmful stereotypes and skews statistics.

          • proud white

            sure we should put innocent white men in jail instead, might as well even things out

          • SiRobertson

            Wow, every libtard talking point represented here.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Bullshit.

          • clbrown

            No Jennifer, we’re seeing the EXACT SAME THING going on with some folks here. Those who are saying that the cop is bad and the “victim” is “innocent” purely because of skin color are no worse than those who are saying that the cop is innocent and the “victim” is guilty purely because of skin color.

            The reality is that skin color makes literally no difference here, except for the culture which Brown grew up in which led him to choose the lifestyle which led him to this point. That’s not genetics, it’s sociology, and it’s something which has been forced upon a lot of people by other people who want to be their “masters” (very notably, Lyndon Baines Johnson, who was adamantly racist, but “embraced civil rights” only when he realized how it could be used to return a major portion of this population into a renewed form of “slavery.”

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Agreed 100%.

          • clbrown

            This is consistent with Brown running towards the officer. The officer is likely a “right handed” shooter, and is inexperienced with shooting at moving targets.There’s a tendency to “pull inwards” when you’re trying to track a moving target, so it’s common to put your rounds to the left (as you see it) of your target. It’s also quite evident that the officer was initially trying to shoot for “center of mass” but as Brown approach, changed tactics and started trying for a head shot.

            Oh, and the “inner arm” wounds? One is likely a “paired wound” with the injury to the hand (as he was running towards the officer, the round hit the hand, then the forearm), while the one on the upper arm is pretty clearly a “ricochet” off of Brown’s rib.

            .38 rounds are pretty puny… they slow very rapidly in soft tissue, so this round is likely still embedded in the upper arm, and the rib there will show a “notch” (and perhaps a fracture?) but no bullet present.

            I use the .40S&W round… just a bit larger in diameter, but a lot more power behind them. They don’t “bounce off” like .38 rounds do sometimes (as we see here).

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Well for some who you believe to be “inexperienced with shooting at moving targets,” he sure got those bullets off in pretty close proximity. Why doesn’t that suggest to you that perhaps Brown wasn’t running towards, but rather, standing or moving at a slower pace towards the officer, making him an easier target?

          • clbrown

            I’m sorry, Gabrielle, but no, it’s just not. The wounds on the arms are NOT consistent with that position.

            I’m sure that the officer practices on the range regularly. I’ve spent time on the range myself. Shooting “pop-up” targets, or stationary ones, is dramatically different than shooting moving targets… especially “randomly moving” targets. This is a shortcoming in modern weapons training practices. The only way you learn to shoot “randomly moving” targets is to actually do so.

            So I suspect that the officer is a pretty good “stationary target” shot. His targeting was just fine… except that he was “pulling in” (towards the center of his body, resulting in rounds tending to his left, Brown’s right). This happens when you “clench up” in an attempt to keep a bead on a moving target.

            Do you have any firearms experience yourself, Gabrielle? Hopefully, you keep a small weapon on your person for self-defense, if for no other reason. If so, I’d hope you’d train regularly. And if so, the next time you go to a range, I suggest you try the “two hand firing position” and see how it enhances your accuracy. But then note how your pectoralis major (“chest muscle”) tenses if the target moves, or if anything causes you to react. If you’re firing right-handed, this will always pull your shots to the left… unless you’re experienced with this and know to compensate.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            No, I don’t much experience with firearms. I’ve been to a shooting range twice with friends just for kicks and actually surprised myself with how good my aim was. Before visiting the range, I had never held a gun, much less, pulled a trigger before.
            So based on your knowledge, the only way to explain these wounds is consistent with the officer’s claim that he was rushed? No other possibilities?

          • clbrown

            Again, stop putting words into my mouth. I’m talking about PROBABILITY. It’s not 100% impossible for the wounds to have been received in some other way, but its “highly improbable” that they were.

            For example… if he were shot in the neck first, he could have doubled over, and his arm COULD have been in the right position to receive the two double-impact wounds I mentioned. It’s not PROBABLE, but it’s at least theoretically possible.

            And it’s also possible that the officer, who clearly had pretty good aim in general, just always pulls to the left, even when firing on a stationary target. It’s highly improbable, but it’s at least theoretically possible.

            I am saying that the evidence we’ve seen to date is consistent with the officer’s story, and is inconsistent with the alleged “innocent and surrendering” argument. But it’s not the same as video of the event, or an actual eyewitness account.

            Of course, we’ve had “eyewitness accounts” which are 100% in disagreement with the physical evidence. Remember, those accounts claimed that the officer was firing at Mike Brown’s BACK, and “shot him as he was running away.” Unless the officer had some new form of “boomerang bullet,” this is entirely impossible.

            All evidence to date supports that (a) Brown was facing the officer, (b) Brown was in motion, and (c) no shots (until the above-the-eye shot) would have been sufficient to stop a moving target.

            Anything else… such as WHY Brown was approaching the officer while being fired upon… is well beyond any information I have access to at the moment.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I edited my post seconds after posting it. I guess you caught the unedited version. Refresh.
            In response to (c) of the second to last paragraph… you don’t think being shot in the jaw area would stop a moving target? A moving human target who, more than likely (based on his mother’s claim that he had never been in any trouble), had never been shot before his last day?

          • clbrown

            Maybe I missed something in the image but I saw a shot to the neck, not to the jaw. And a shot to the neck would bring someone down in fairly short order… under fifteen seconds, most likely… shorter if the major blood vessel was entirely severed (which is POSSIBLE, considering the pool of blood we see on the ground).

            Sever the jugular or the carotid and you go down fast, no question. Get hydrodynamic shock into the spinal column and you get at least temporary paralysis, immediately. But just go through the soft tissue, and a big target could keep on going (provided that he keeps his balance, which is “iffy”)… especially if he had inertia behind him.

            I tend to assume that the major artery was nicked but not severed, based upon how much blood we seen on the ground. Head and neck wounds bleed far more profusely than other wounds, generally speaking… and if the carotid or jugular were severed, I’d have expected to see a lot more blood on the ground.

            But again, this is based upon LIMITED INFORMATION… publicly available imagery of the scene, and the document you posted, along with verbal and written accounts of what “supposedly happened.”

            And on that limited dataset, I’m convinced that one, and only one, of the two positions we’ve been given fits with the data we’ve seen.

            But… my dataset is much smaller than that of those who are actually investigating. So, assuming that they’re actually doing the job correctly (and I have to assume so, because it’s far harder to keep lies straight than it is to keep the truth straight!) we’ll find out which REALLY fits soon enough.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Scroll up and take another look at the image. There a marking on his jawline area… I assumed everything but the dotted lines and obvious natural body lines were wounds from the bullets, but perhaps it’s something else.

    • clbrown

      Gabrielle, note the complete lack of any “entry” or “exit” wounds on the back. All wounds mentioned on the form you show are from the front.

      As for powder burns… the powder discharge from a standard police .38 dissipates within about six feet, so any shot fired at a distance greater than that would show no powder burns at all, while powder burns are usually mainly noticed at “very close range” (a foot or less) where unburned powder granules actually embed into the skin before being entirely combusted. This is mainly useful when identifying suicides, or execution-style murders.

      If Brown was at ten feet away, there would be no indication of powder burns. If Brown was eighty feet away, there would be no indication of powder burns.

      But we see ONLY entry wounds, it seems… there are few, if any, “matched pairs” of wounds marked on the form. This is consistent with two things… (a) Brown being a VERY MASSIVE guy, and (b) the officer’s sidearm being a very low-powered weapon (only a .38, or a 9mm “short round,” would show this characteristic). Note that NONE of the shots are “in the back.” Note that several of the shots are in the right arm (possibly some are “pairs” of wounds from a single shot?) These would not have stopped him. The shot in the upper right chest would likely have embedded into a rib, or ricocheted away from a rib (possibly the source of the wound on the upper arm?)

      The shot at the top of the head would have richoceted off the skull, though you’d hope that this would have knocked him unconscious. The shot in the neck would have had the potential to stop him, but only through bleedout (this is very likely the killing shot, based upon the amount of blood on the ground at the scene) and would not have stopped him immediately. The shot above the eye is likely what brought him down, and would have caused significant brain damage, but would not necessarily have been a fatal shot, given that this was a .38 round.

      So, the story that this tells is that the guy was charging towards the officer. Six shots hit Brown. One hit the hand and forearm. One hit the upper arm in a glancing “miss.” One hit the upper right chest and ricocheted into the upper right arm. One hit the top of the head with minimal effect. One hit the neck, resulting in major bleeding, and a final one hit above the right eye, likely the final shot which brought the guy down. And in every case, the subject was facing towards and approaching the officer who was firing.

      Thank you for posting this… it’s very informative.

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        What part of this proves he was charging the officer and not standing with his arms raised? You keep repeating that “this would not have stopped him” as if it’s a fact he was rushing the officer when that’s just his version of what happened… I thought you said you hadn’t taken sides? Or do I have you confused with another user?

        • SiRobertson

          There are other eye witnesses who say Brown “bumrushed” the officer.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            If you’re talking about the witnesses from the video in which they were talking in the background, not once did any of those men say Brown “bum rushed” the officer. If not, source?

          • SiRobertson

            Your witness, the criminal friend of Brown, is a liar. Does that not matter to you? As far as who I heard say that, it was on TV earlier and I don’t remember. Like I said, if homobama and Sharpton weigh in, it’s a sure bet their guy is in the wrong. You’ll see.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            He may well have embellished his story to “protect” his friend and/or himself, but what of the other witnesses? Oh nevermind, you’ve already established that you’ve decided they’re liars based solely on the color of their skin… unless they’ve said something you think backs the officer’s account of what happened.
            And yet another instance of you not having a source to back your claims? Surprise, surprise.

          • SiRobertson

            Sorry, I’m not racist as you are. You will see however that those Brown supporters are are as legitimate as the Trayvon supporters were.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            What does the black “community” promise to do to “snitches,” Gabby?

        • clbrown

          Well, the main part is the nature of the wounds on the arm. We know that six rounds were discharged at this point (audio confirms that, as I’m sure you know).

          The shape of the wounds, as indicated on the sketch, is telling. Photographic evidence would be better, of course, but this is supposed to be the “cleaned up” summary of what is considered impolite to release to the public. The shapes drawn should… SHOULD, mind you… match up with what is actually seen on the body.

          So, look at the wound on the pad of the thumb. It’s a LONG wound. If the guy had his hands in the air, facing the officer, this would be an entirely different sort of wound. That shows a “trace” or “graze” entry into that area, which would only be possible with the forearm facing directly towards the officer, NOT if it were raised.

          He could have been doing a “wrestling pose” I suppose… crouching and holding his arms out at the sides, threateningly without moving, but there’s no “non-threatening” pose which involves the forearm pointing directly at the officer.

          Then we have the rib shot, upper chest, with what appears very much to be a ricochet wound the the inner upper arm. This would not happen with the arms raised, but would with the upper arm closely held against the chest, as is the case with running.

          Then there is the thing YOU noted, the “drift” to Brown’s right (the shooter’s left). This is consistent with a shooter attempting to hit a moving target. If the target was stationary, the shots fired would be far less likely to all show this same “leftwards drift.”

          Thus, I conclude that the target was most likely in motion, and was in motion facing the officer.

          You don’t need to accept my statements as “gospel” but you should think about them objectively… take them to other experts whose expertise you’ll recognize more readily… and see if they concur with what I’ve said. Try to avoid anyone with a “horse in the race,” though (on either side of the issue.)

          I don’t have a horse in this particular race… I just happen to see a lot of evidence supporting the innocence of the officer of any malice or misconduct, and a lot of evidence supporting that Brown very likely brought this on himself. I don’t know either of them, and I don’t care about either of them. I only care about truth. But to me, the truth is pretty evident here.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Well I don’t know for sure how knowledgable you are about all of which you speak, but I’ve read your post objectively. I also copied and pasted it in my notepad for further reference. If this officer is indicted and ends up going to trial for this, I’ll make sure to refer back to this note when the expert on bullet trajectory and/or the medical examiner take the stand. If what you said holds true, however, I doubt the officer will be brought up on charges.

          • clbrown

            That’s all I’d ask. You should never take ANYONE as an “authority” without at least some form of “backup” (unrelated to that person or their interests). I’ve made my case… and I’m personally very confident in it. But I know that the two legal teams will do their best to either prove or disprove this, and NOBODY up there will be “unbiased,” I suspect. So, just file my argument away and use it as one of the range of ideas you have tossing around in your head as you follow this.

            This is what discussion is all about. We put out our ideas, and our arguments. Two (or more) conflicting arguments get tossed into a ring and “duke it out.” Whichever one is closest to the truth “wins,” but in most cases, no one “side” has all the facts entirely right.

            And you have to judge in an entirely unbiased way… which is hard for most people. This is why political, and sociopolitical, discussions are often so tense… because too many people have sworn fealty to a letter in parentheses next to a name, and put more weight behind that than they do on what a person actually says, and more importantly, DOES. We all, I guess, tend to “join teams.”

            This is one area where I’m a little unique… I’ve never, ever been a “joiner.” (Yes, my old callsign actually was “Maverick” at one point in my life, and no, I’m not secretly Tom Cruise!)

            I have no particular love for the St. Louis police, nor of this particular officer, nor do I have any allegience (real or supposed) to this urban community or this “kid.” I’m almost entirely dispassionate about that part of things… and my “emotional” response is due to the larger issues this brings up (what I view as a concerted effort to divide us into “little boxes” to make us, as a population, easier to control.)

            That’s why I’ve made the judgements I’ve made re: the case (based upon what limited evidence I’ve seen so far) and also why a few racists here on this site are chasing me around, abusing me, for daring to refuse to submit to their “whites are inherently superior in every way” arguments. They’re not really bothering me at this point… it’s actually become entertaining, in a somewhat sad way (for them).

            But you… I can tell you originally had an “emotional horse in this race,” but I’m also aware that you’re a “truth seeker” and as the emotional side wanes a bit, you’ll see the truth (whichever way it eventually ends up pointing).

            Just try to keep reminding yourself of that… the story is about facts, not about feelings… and facts will inevitably bring us to a recognition of the truth, if we’ll only focus on them, rather than on “agendas” or on “feelings.”

            I think I’m done here for the evening… have a good night!

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            I agree with much of what you’ve said here. While I try to be as objective as possible, I’ll admit that my personal and emotional biases sometimes cloud my judgement.
            And yes, on your last point we can agree. The truth is what’s important here. I’m sure we’ll be closer to it in the next coming weeks… but hopefully sooner than later… I’m digested by and fearful of what’s going on down in Ferguson.

      • Gabrielle Alyse

        Also, if the gun went off while the two were both in the car struggling for the gun like the officer alleged, wouldn’t there be at least a smidgen of evidence of that on Brown’s person?

        • clbrown

          If the gun went off FACING Brown, in the vehicle, yes, there would be powder evidence on him. If it went off with both with hands on the weapon, there would very likely be powder residue on his hands (which would not be the same as powder burns, and would not be found on the initial form, but instead would be subject to subsequent lab testing).

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            If this is right, I suppose we’ll have to wait a while longer for those details to come out.

          • clbrown

            Agreed. If there is no evidence of powder on the hands, this would be the first piece of evidence contradicting the officer’s statements.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            But I still don’t quite understand how you can say without a doubt that these wounds are consistent with Brown rushing the officer but don’t think they could possibly be the result of Brown having been shot with his arms raised in surrender. You haven’t seen body so how could you know where bullets entered, exited, and ricocheted off of (as you stated in an earlier comment) based on the above image?

          • clbrown

            Please show me where I said “without a doubt.” I don’t believe I said that (and if I did, it was an error on my part). I’ve said “consistent with” and “in agreement with” a lot, I know.

            I am EXTREMELY CONFIDENT of it. But this goes back to my own special skills and abilities… I’m exceptionally capable of “four-dimensional visualization” (that is, 3D plus time). I can visualize the path of the bullet, and see how it would have traveled, and how it would have “bounced” or passed through, in order to produce the wounds we see annotated on that form.

            Let’s JUST look at the “pad of thumb” wound. This one is pretty easy to see, I think. Imagine that Mike Brown is standing with his hands in the air, palms facing front. A round hits his hand in that location. It would either pass through cleanly (two wounds, an entry and an exit) or it would enter, hit the bone, and either embed in the bone (shattering it) or richochet off, resulting in a LATERAL (relative to the bone) tear in the tissue, on the inside edge of the thumb pad.

            We don’t see that. Instead, we see an elongated “graze” wound, along the length of the bone. This means that the bullet had to ricochet off the long thumb bone, at a pretty steep angle. The bone at the base of the thumb had to be pointing almost directly at the shooter. There is literally no other way that this sort of wound could occur, from a gunshot.

            This is further born out by the presence of a matching wound on the inner forearm, which is where this bullet almost certainly would have gone. At this point, much of the bullet’s energy would have been dissipated, so the bullet most likely would have lodged in that muscle (note the lack of an exit wound on the forearm which could match the entry wound you see).

            The hand had to be in front of the forearm, pointing at the officer, and the thumb had to be pointing at the officer as well… which, while possible with an open hand, is much more probably if the fist was clenched.

            Try it… take the pose yourself. “Act it out.” Imagine a very slow bullet coming towards you. Picture it hitting, penetrating skin and muscle, striking bone, dissipating its energy (as a “hydrodynamic shockwave” which ruptures cell membranes in the region where the round enters) Imagine each muscle hit having the worst possible “charley horse” cramp you’ve ever experienced, times about twenty… essentially becoming useless to you.

            The really interesting thing is to note that none of the rounds hit the legs, or the “core” body. Had any round done so, Mike Brown would have been rendered incapable of “charging” as the officer describes him having done. I was actually looking for that, because that would have contradicted the officer’s claims, and would potentially have been a “point” in favor of the “unwarranted shooting” charge side of this argument.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You didn’t actually say “without a doubt,” you just sounded so astute in your statements that I assumed you didn’t have any doubts.

          • clbrown

            Well, I don’t have “doubts” because I have nothing TO “doubt” yet. I am only analyzing the data presented and seeing what parts best fit with what stories (or, potentially, which contradict BOTH… that’s a third possibility, after all).

            I’m “highly confident” but this doesn’t mean that I’ll have to “retract” if some new evidence comes along which changes that, you see.

            Analysis is sort of like building a jigsaw puzzle… without all the pieces. The more pieces you get, the closer you can get to knowing what the real picture is. But you can still tell which pieces fit with one possible picture and don’t with another.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Got it.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      For that absurd b.s. to work, Wilson would have had to hit Brown’s arm and hand while raised, which not only makes no sense, it goes completely against marksmanship training, which is to aim for center mass. The fact that Brown’s violent beating of Wilson gave Wilson what doctors are calling an “orbital blowout eye socket fracture” shows that Wilson was probably disoriented and unfocused somewhat, but still managed to eventually drop Brown as Brown charged, his shots finding their way to where they needed to be as Wilson fought for his very life.

      Anyone who would imagine Wilson, who appears to be a good marksman, hitting Brown’s hand and arm while raised up and away from his center-mass (why aim there?) is so obviously out of legitimate arguments they are desperately flailing for some way to railroad a white cop for no other reason than that he is white, and they support the black criminal subculture.

  • Aaron

    The kid was guilty as sin, period! There WILL be those that; no matter what factual evidence you present them, they will still say the officer is guilty! The kid was a thug, gang banger or gang banger wanna-be and met his fate for the lifestyle he chose. And judging from the reactions of that community, it is evident that most of those in that community have a similar mindset. But blame the white guy, it is the easier way out than to stand up and police your own communities and bring about a civilized society!

    • Patricio Neves jr

      Very easily said comming from a guy standing by a lake fishing must be real nice having a piece of mind.If u where to walk in anybodys shoes from the community aka (ghetto) u wouldn’t last a mile. Your the one with a chocie.Try it I dare u lol ahhhhhaaaa

      • clbrown

        Patricio is a racist troll, but he’s proving to be entertaining, isn’t he?

      • Jennifer Gray

        Why would anyone purposely go into a ghetto unless they have a death wish? Your comment makes no sense. Do you dislike the guy just because that MAY be a photo of him fishing?

      • GrimFacts

        Patricio – based on the content of your postings, I’ve been able to assess that it would be a great advantage to you if would take the time to further your education! Your ghetto background is showing.

      • carolineislands

        I have seen some real doosies on various internet comments before, but this one takes the cake. Patricio, your English is atrocious. You write at the level of a 2nd or 3rd grader. SMH Please, go enroll in an English class and help yourself out in life.

      • Aaron

        Now there’s an intelligent response that adds substance to the discussion. Seriously though you’re pretending to know where I’ve been, what I have seen and how I wrote my own chapter’s of my life based off of my profile picture? Truth is, I GUARANTEE, you could not have walked in my shoes.

    • clbrown

      He wasn’t a “kid.” He was legally an adult, and he was 6’4″ and 300 lbs. He was a CHARGING BULL. And he’d chosen to live his life as a thug. He got what he was looking for, it seems. Had I been in the same situation, I’d have done the same as the cop did… except that I’d have taken less rounds to do it.

      • lisarichards124

        18 is not a kid. We tend to use that for anyone under 25, but in reality, he was a full fledged adult. 16 is young adult. But it’s not 5. Even then, mom and dad tell you stealing is bad, killing is a no-no!

  • SiRobertson

    Here’s how we know the black man was shot of necessity and that the cop is innocent….obama flaps his jaws and supports the black, and Al Sharpton shows up to instigate his usual racist crap. Their track records on 100% wrong.

    • SATCitizen

      Not to mention the “swoop” of the attorney. Add that to the 100% wrong track record.

  • lisarichards124

    Question: If every one of these rioters, looters, violent thugs was forced to rebuild their city without any state help, would they burn it down, loot it, smash it again?

    • Asa JustAsa

      Yes they would burn it down, for they are so sure they could convince anyone,someone else did it.

      • lisarichards124

        They would burn it down and Obama would blame Bush

    • clbrown

      Realize, Lisa, that the MAJORITY of those “rioting and looting” in this town are NOT RESIDENTS OF THAT TOWN. They’ve been “bussed in” from other locations, and are being financed and supported to do this.

      The local residents have, in some cases, fallen in with them… but the majority of the locals are NOT “tearing their own community apart.” They’re the VICTIMS of those who’ve been shipped in specifically to do that.

      • lisarichards124

        I saw that on Varney. So how much did Rev. Al pay?

        If you fall in with the rioting, you must love it. I also heard they have gone into white neighborhoods to riot and loot stores. That was said quickly and back to pics of this guy when he was 10.

        Still have to wonder who is shipping and paying? Sharpton, Jackson no doubt, and what other leftists?

        • clbrown

          This is all “part of the plan,” I’m convinced. The “Trayvon Martin” bit… where they showed picture of him at twelve, and ignored his being kicked out of school for drugs, and for possession (on school grounds) of burglary tools… and the fact that all the burglaries in that neighborhood took place EXACTLY when he was “visiting his dad,”… plus his own bragging over having assaulted a bus driver (which was reported by the driver, though not with a positive ID on Martin at the time), and so forth… the real story was never the same as the “narrative.”

          This is all about trying to “balkanize” us. To pull us apart into “racially segregated camps.” To have us all at each others’ throats, rather than recognizing the REAL THREAT TO US ALL.

          The people behind this have an agenda… but they need to keep us all distracted, and to keep us from recognizing their agenda at all… in order to have it work.

          The goal is to return us, for all practical purposes, to a practice which has really been the majority situation for all of humankind… a “general population” (think “serfs”) who are RULED over by an “elite few.” (Think “Noble Lords and Ladies”)

          The only way we can resist them is if we stop falling for this sort of GARBAGE and start realizing what we have COMMON INTERESTS.

          And many in the so-called “black community” DO see that, but feel either a total lack of support, or feel that the other folks out there are hostile to them.

          That is what we have to fix. And that’s why those who are beating their chests, declaring that this is somehow a “victory” for them because it “proves that the black people are savages who have to be beaten down” (and of course, the “ruling class elites” will promise them, off the record, that if they only support those elites, they’ll see to it!)

          It’s time to realize that it’s the people who are telling us to be at each others’ throats, and who are promising us “solutions” at the others’ expense… they’re the actual enemy.

          • dubious

            This is my viewpoint as well, however I think you take it a step too far with the whole “we are going to fall back into feudal times” saw.

            More realistically I think there is a move towards balkanization for the purpose of using schemes that look like the anti-apartheid laws in South Africa.

            This creates a sort of state-sanctioned “separate but equal” laws but in favor of minorites…such that whites will not riot. Google “black economic empowerment” laws and see how they are implemented. That is what this is about.

          • clbrown

            Well, let me try to re-phrase this to help make my point more clear.

            When I say “serfs” and “nobles” and reference feudalism, I’m not necessarily saying that we’ll have armor-plated knights, stone castles, and so forth.

            What I’m saying is that this is nothing new. I agree, entirely, with Thomas Jefferson on this issue.

            As he put it, “”The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small
            elite.”

            What I meant is that this is the very same struggle… between “elites ruling over subjects” or “citizens who employ public servants”… as has always been the struggle, as long as men have existed.

            The best-known (and most dramatically illustrative) example is the one I gave, with “Nobles” who ruled “by right” and “serfs” who were, for all practical purposes, owned by those “nobles.”

            That’s not really dissimilar to where we’re going today. That’s always been at the core of what we NOW refer to as “Socialism.” It was at the core of the branch of Socialism known as Communism, it was at the core of the branch of Socialism known as Naziism (or Fascism)… and it’s at the core of the modern flavor of Socialism as well.

            And this is not uniquely a (D) phenomenon. I cringe, openly, when I hear talk about “the next Bush legacy” to run for President, or “the next Clinton legacy” or so forth. We’re suppose to be a nation where the best are appointed, for a brief term, to serve the citizens, not a nation where “elites” gain power due to “a familial privilege.”

            We’re far closer to that point than most people think we are.

            In fact, if you pay close attention to ancient history… especially the transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire… you’ll see remarkable similarities to where we are today.

            I strongly recommend reading some Marcus Tullius Cicero quotes. Here are just a few of my favorites.

            “The more laws, the less justice.”

            “Let us not listen to those who think we ought to be angry with our enemies, and who believe this to be great and manly. Nothing is so praiseworthy, nothing so clearly shows a great and noble soul, as clemency and readiness to forgive.”

            “Nothing is more unreliable than the populace, nothing more obscure than human intentions, nothing more deceptive than the whole electoral system.”

            “The wise are instructed by reason, average minds by experience, the stupid by necessity and the brute by instinct.”

            “The enemy is within the gates; it is with our own luxury, our own folly, our own criminality that we have to contend.”

            “Our character is not so much the product of race and heredity as of those circumstances by which nature forms our habits, by which we are nurtured and live.”

            “In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power.”

            “The nobler a man, the harder it is for him to suspect inferiority in others.”

            “If you pursue good with labor, the labor passes away but the good remains; if you pursue evil with pleasure, the pleasure passes away and the evil remains.”

            “To know the laws is not to memorize their letter but to grasp their full force and meaning.”

            “To some extent I liken slavery to death.”

            “The only excuse for war is that we may live in peace unharmed.”

            “Not cohabitation but consensus constitutes marriage.”

            And last, but certainly my personal favorite among all of these… the following is a single quote, by the way…

            “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

            “But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

            “For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body
            politic so that it can no longer resist.

            “A murderer is less to fear.”

      • Jennifer Gray

        I agree with you on this one. I thought you were leaving? I hope you’ll though and get another perspective on the truth of things you might not agree with.

        • clbrown

          Jennifer, please knock off the “schoolmarm” routine. I’m not one of your “children” and it’s obnoxious for you to try to take that “authority figure” role with me.

          If you’d read any of my comments before the guysstarted ripping on me for not “admitting” that “black people are just stupid because they’re racially, genetically inferior” you’d know that this has been my position all along.

          I’ve come back because I was contacted by … someone whose opinion matters… and was given reason to believe that this sort of thing would be watched in the future. Suffice it to say, I never imagined Doug Giles would be the sort to allow racist crap on his site, and I think I can keep on believing that.

          You don’t know what my perspective is, Jennifer. You just ASSUME that you know what it is. The way to learn what my perspective is, is to read what I have said, and if it’s a response, the context it’s given in. What you’ve just “agreed” with is not a “change in my perspective” at all. It’s the very original position I took here, which the three “dudes” took me to task over. Go back and read what I posted which started that little interchange. It’s EXACTLY the same as what I just said, above.

          • SiRobertson

            Having read your meltdown comment from earlier today I’m hardpressed to see you as not having arrested development. You can appear coherent one minute, then emotionally stunted the next, as you did in that email when you were telling Mr. Joy you wouldn’t be back to this site. You should go back and reread what you wrote. It erases your claim to such a high I.Q….OR, it says more about your emotional I.Q. than your can possibly realize. Emotional I.Q. is much more important than mental I.Q. when it comes to functioning as an adult.

          • proud white

            SI, well it is a tough life for him since he is down in his basement working on his latest inventions that will change the world. Why waste a 183 IQ LOL

          • clbrown

            I can’t help but notice how much effort you’re devoting to proving my “inferiority,” while never actually making any cogent points.

            I came back due to receiving an off-line communication which convinced me to return.

            By the way, you have not seen any “emails” here. This is a FORUM. Emails are private. You read a POST, in a PUBLIC FORUM.

            I’m really getting tired of the attacks and insults. I expect it from “mighty bright” there but you, it seems, are at least capable of more. But, now that he’s started egging you on, you’re up to the same “insults” routine all over again.

            I’m pretty sure that there’s a means to “ignore” certain posters. I’ve never had to use it. I’m seriously considering it for your cohort. And if you continue to pull the sort of BS you’ve just engaged in, above, I might choose to do so to you as well. I’d really rather not.

            Your entire post, above, was NOT in response to a post to you. And it consists of literally nothing but personal comments about me, and all insulting comments.

            What, exactly, do you think that this says about you?

            Maybe I can play the game the way you guys want to play it… “didn’t your momma teach you? If you ain’t got nuthin’ good to say, don’t say nuthin.”

          • SiRobertson

            Sorry, saying email instead of comment.

          • Jennifer Gray

            Don’t talk down to me, moron.

          • clbrown

            Oh, how to respond to that… after the two posts you’ve made to me…

            Oh, I know how…

            BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHHHH!!!!

            That about sums it up.

            You talked down to me, and I didn’t care for it and told you to stop it, and you get mad at me not “submitting” to you?

            Do you not see the irony of that?

            And “moron?” What subjects do you teach your high school students, Jenny?

  • lisarichards124

    Why aren’t white rioting over their ancestors being enslaved in Ireland, tossed out of Ireland–no, I’m not talking IRA-terrorists. Jews were gassed and they were slaves in Egypt for 400 years. All races have been enslaved, but those who were never slaves riot and loot because their ancestors were once slaves. These people have no idea what slavery or segregation is. But they do segregate themselves into the ghetto as they were told to by the Black Panthers in the 60s: Back to Africa, out of white neighborhoods, don’t live next to whitey.

    Where are the Holocaust victimization riots? Nowhere

    • clbrown

      Let’s not forget that most of those sold into slavery in the United States were sold BY BLACK MEN. And in a large percentage of cases, by MUSLIM BLACK MEN. After all, the Koran fully permits slavery, and encourages it.

      Oh, and lets’ not forget… today… yes, TODAY… slavery still exists in the world. Where? In the MUSLIM WORLD. Including the very same “black african” areas which were at the heart of the slave trade several hundred years ago.

      The very same region which engaged in “piracy” in order to collect the “Jizya tax” from “infidels” (like Americans) and did so consistently until Thomas Jefferson created and deployed the United States Marine Corps to crush those engaging in those practices… which is why the Marine Corps Hymn makes reference to “the shores of Tripoli.”

      The “Black Panthers” are a MUSLIM organization. I wonder why they don’t speak out against the MODERN, CURRENT enslavement of black people (non-Muslims, BY Muslims) in Africa today?

      • lisarichards124

        Exactly. History still shows this about the black slave trade, those documents have never been wiped out. And white Europeans would never have been able to survive going into the African continent land at that time: The heat, diseases, etc. The Africans brought their people to their shores to sell them and made a fortune.

        Yes, I’m sure you saw that on the news recently about those African areas. Nothing has changed in its violence toward its people, but now it gets worse by enslaving and massacring Christians. As to S. Africa: Mandela was a violent murderer , a terrorists, who created the riots against whites. Now he’s canonized as some kind of saint. I wouldn’t be surprised if this pope, the way he hates free markets, has Mandela canonized into sainthood.

        Jefferson: It’s right there in history and in his letters. He had to attack Islam because it attacked us by attacking our ships, kidnapping, slaughtering. And didn’t that Ambassador of Tripoli tell Jefferson that one day Muslims would invade us and attack us to conquer us? He said that in the 1700s to Jefferson. It’s all in the letters. Uh, people, it happened, keeps happening and we ignore and tolerate.

        Black Panthers are one of the most violent terror organizations in this country and blacks do not see or care that Islam is slavery. They either go along with Panthers for power and aggression or ignorance. I think the first if you go along.

      • lisarichards124

        And many being bussed in as seen. Who’s paying for that Al, Jesse, Panthers,

        • clbrown

          Give you a hint… those are funding and supporting this are of all races… from Hungarians to mixed-black-white-middle-eastern, to asian… you name it.

          What matters is not race, to them. What matters is creating chaos, dissension, and a total inability for us to come together against them (but, they hope, instead going to them for “answers.”)

          Whether you talk about the “Tides” folks, or the current Executive Branch, or Harry Reid, or George Soros… or the leadership at the UN… what they want is to have the US (as it currently exists) “taken down” so that it can be incorporated into a “socialist paradise” (meaning, they rule and we are ruled).

          • lisarichards124

            Notice mixed. Notice when you see someone of mixed race they always call themselves black or Hispanic, never white. Ask them and fumble for the answer when you point out they are both and why can’t they just say it or why not just call yourself an American?

            I went to a rally where Lloyd Marcus was headlining and speaking. 3 hours of Lloyd with Ann Coulter and Niger Innis. Lloyd yelled to the crowd “don’t call me african American, I’m American, an American man!” A group of leftist went nuts! oh the shock! He was supposed to call himself African. He said he has no idea what that is since he’s not.

            Problem like Donald said, only an exception to the rule.

            Tides: Boy is that true.

            Was I supposed to use the expression boy?

            Sorros murdered his fellow Jews because he preferred being a Nazi rather than dying with his people like a real man.

            Have you seen the new TV ads for online dating: Meet Black People .com: Not kidding, but what if we did Meet White People.com? Thomas Sowell says it’s only natural and normal for a race to want to marry itself and not out of it. he said yes, some marry out, but Sowell said a lot of black women wont marry black guys because of the white work ethic. But I wish those black women would stand up and speak out, but they would probably get their homes burned down.

            Here’s something weird and true: 10 years-ago I asked this to an elderly black–about black women marrying white men. He said he told his two daughters NOT to marry black men unless they were rich or they would be supporting him. He said he told his girls marry white so you wont be cheated on and wind up poor. Not that white guys never cheat, but he said the sleeping around is far worse with black men who leave women pregnant and its a badge of honor to get women knocked up. Now that was a black man telling me. And he told me Sowell was right in “Politics and Economics Of Race.”

            You have probably read it, if not get it and Black Rednecks and White Liberals

          • lisarichards124

            The only time white women riot is over wedding dresses

  • Patricio Neves jr

    I Like how these people who support these cops aka thugs with badges and the right to kill people say blacks have a track record of violence in the community i guess everyone forgets how evil white people where and still are im not saying all white people, think about it to get beat slaved killed and all around evil towards people of color since day one.think about It who are the real immgrants aaaaaaaaaaa idk wait o yeah I think whites stole everybodys land from the begaining of time. Really I think these idiots are scared becuase what where minority are now majority’s lol thats why Obama is taking ur guns and ammunition soon the low class citizens and middle class citizens aka (reality)and know not (mtv) or the (kardashian’s) . The cummunity’s will be da only people with guns aka people of color. Aha the songs gona go like dis bad cops bad cops wactha gona do watcha gona do now that the guns pointed at u aaaaaheee watcha ya gona doooooooooooo……. p.s. bye the way im a mexican American and we all deserve better than beening treated like we dont belong here .DIS IS OUR COUNTRY NOW LIKE IT WAS BEFORE AND WHERE JUST GETTING STRONGER.

    • proud white

      wow buddy really? The Indians died of disease because their immune system was weak. Who did the Indians get the land from? from the people they conquered and took it from dummy. Who brought the slaves over from Africa? Other Africans. who ended slavery? The white man. How many people today were slaves or owned slaves? none. How many people today had ancestors in the country at the time of slavery? Not many. How come after Jim crow ended there was a spike in crime that continues until today and is consistent with blacks all over the world.? because DNA. How come Spanish people get affirmative action? because they aren’t as intelligent on the whole (no history of slavery and jim crow either). Why do most Hispanic countries and all African countries that have not been colonized by Europeans look like garbage and are complete replicas of east LA and Detroit? East LA is run by Hispanics with majority Hispanics living there. It is hell hole and is what the country would turn into if Hispanics ruled. Detroit is governed my blacks with majority blacks and is what the country would turn into if it was majority black. Be careful what you wish for because this country would fall apart without whites. There isn’t enough brain power and impulse control on your side to sustain a country this size.

      • clbrown

        Oh, yay, TWO RACISTS going at each other… let’s pop some popcorn and watch.

        Patricio is a racist. And so is “proud white.” They both think EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, except for which “team” they’ve chosen to associate with.

        At least “Proud White” used proper spelling and grammar… so in this case, I’ll give him the edge. He makes a few decent points, but makes one FUNDAMENTAL error. He seriously believes that “white people are genetically superior.”

        The reality is that there were black men who fought in the American Revolution, as free men. The reality is that it wasn’t until Woodrow Wilson that the United States Military was segregated (he also segregated a number of other US Government elements, such as the Post Office).

        The reality is that for a number of years, black men and women were making major strides towards being fully equal, and it took Lyndon Baines Johnson to come up with a “new and improved version of slavery” to trick so many of them into accepting servitude and submission yet again. And at this point, a sizeable portion of the “black community” has chosen to accept this role, willingly, it seems. (A situation which “proud white” seems to think is the way things ought to be, by the way.)

        None of my ancestors were in the United States during the period of slavery, so none of my ancestors were slaves or held slaves. I am neither owed anything nor do I own anyone else anything.

        But… “low average IQ’s?” That’s just scary to read. Because only someone with a very, very low IQ would actually made such an unsupported and unsupportable argument. And because white people’s IQs, on a global average, is quite literally JUST AVERAGE.

        If your argument were to hold true, “Proud White,” then explain why conditions in India or in China are worse than those in the United States, overall? The average measured IQ in either of those countries is significantly higher than that of the average in the US, or the “whites only” average in the US.

        “Post hoc ergo propter hoc”…

        No, the reason that the USA is different is not due to the genetics of those who run the place. It’s because of the IDEOLOGY UPON WHICH THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED. “We hold these truths to be self-evident…

        … That All Men are Created Equal…
        … That they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights…
        … That among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…

        That’s the fundamental, foundational basis upon which the United States was founded. And while this nation may have, at times, failed to live up to that standard as well as it ought to have… the FOUNDATION has remained.

        If you deny that “all men are created equal,”… then you are an enemy of the United States of America, at its core.

        And both of our pals above are declaring themselves to be enemies of that ideology.

        • proud white

          because whites are superior. show me the IQ tests where blacks out score whites. You still sticking by the claim of your 183 IQ more than Einstein? How do psych patients get on these sites. Can I talk to your therapist?

          • Grace

            That kind of thinking is incredibly toxic, you know what this leads to right? Segregation and genocide. Look at the Holocaust. That happened because someone arbitrarily decided that a certain race was “superior” and took it upon themselves to rid themselves of everyone else who was different. And what does IQ even have to do with this? All IQ does is measure a person’s ability to think logically, which in no way reflects their intelligence and ability to function in society. If what you said above is your opinion, fine. Whatever. But when a large group of people starts to think they are “better” than others, no good can come of it.

          • proud white

            do you want me to lie and be politically correct and say blacks and whites are equally intelligent? I wont do this because it isn’t true. Asians are superior in intelligence to whites. How do you feel about that. Im simply stating facts and you are twisting them and turning them.

          • Grace

            I’m simply responding to your “facts,” I don’t think I’ve twisted anything. How are you measuring intelligence anyway? IQ? As I stated above that only measures logical thinking. Standardized test scores? Those vary due to different education systems, learning environments, and societal pressures. And intelligence has nothing to do with basic human rights. Just because you’re “smarter” than someone doesn’t make you better than them.

          • SiRobertson

            Blacks’ behavior continues to prove they are inferior. Forest Gump wasn’t smart, but he was a good person (I’m aware he’s fictional). It’s not totally that blacks are collectively less intelligent that makes them a problem, it’s their other issues…..low impulse control. violence, lack of conscience, being over-sexed, thuggish, nasty (bringing property values down), lazy, irresponsible, etc. I could go on but surely you get the idea.

          • Grace

            And where are you getting this information from? Because I have never heard any credible source state that. And from what I can tell, you’re implying that blacks are not as evolved as whites. That is not only FALSE but an incredibly insensitive and insulting thing to say.

          • SiRobertson

            You do have internet access, right? Look up “the Bell Curve” for one.

          • proud white

            she won’t look it up, or won’t understand it, or wont believe it if she was to understand it. It is all just a bunch of racist white folks saying Asians are superior and blacks are inferior on average

          • SiRobertson

            So, you’re uneducated. Only you can change that.

          • proud white

            SI these are our voters. This is what is wrong with the country!

          • SiRobertson

            Very scary…..the ignorance of so many brainwashed, PC drones.

          • SiRobertson

            OBVIOUSLY it does measure their ability (lack of) to function in society. Live in denial….that helps no one and PC is BS.

          • clbrown

            “More than Einstein?” What, praytell, was Albert Einstein’s IQ? Do you know? Of course you don’t, because he never took an IQ test. The best you can come up with is an “estimated IQ” based upon… well, whatever the estimator wanted to base it upon.

            Once again, the highest recorded IQ is from Marilyn vos Savant, who scored 228. My own score is significantly lower than that, at 183. Further, while I’ve always scored perfect scores in 3D visualization and in language skills areas, I’ve missed points in some “pattern-matching” math elements. That I can score perfect in the 3D visualization tests makes me very atypical… this is usually the weakest area for most high-scoring individuals. That I combine this with perfect scores in language portions of the test is largely due to my extensive vocabulary alongside excellent “structural relationship” skills. But show me a list of numbers and ask me to pick the next item in the sequence, and I have to think about it fairly hard… while people like Einstein could do this instantaneously.

            Tell me, “Proud White,” what is YOUR IQ? Have you ever been tested? For that matter, did you graduate from High School? What is your highest academic achievement? Share, share… prove how “superior” you are. Show you know at least a little bit about what you’re talking about.

          • proud white

            my IQ is between 125-130 unofficially my brother’s is low 140′s, I mentioned this already. You are insane. no black man in the world has an IQ of 183 and very few whites/asians

          • clbrown

            Ah, a “statement of fact” on the basis of… what, exactly?

            How do you determine an “unofficial IQ?” I’m really fascinated to hear you talk about this. C’mon, share… tell us all how you managed to “measure” your “unofficial IQ.”

            And how do you know that “no black man in the world has an IQ of 183?”

            For that matter, how do you know what my racial background is? Where do my ancestors come from? Do you know? Do you care? No… all you know is that you’re certain that you “must” be “smarter than me” because I “must” be “one of those inferior types.”

            All I’ve actually said is that I find your idiotic racism deeply offensive, yet laughable at the same time. And that we need to judge each person on their own merit, rather than PRE-JUDGE them on the basis of things which they had no say in.

            You’re “proud to be white” which is roughly equivalent to saying “I’m proud to have been born with toes on my feet.” Neither was a matter of choice on your part, or of hard work on your parts, and neither sets you above anyone else.

          • dubious

            Thank you for making this cogent argument as I have read through the thread. It is fairly easy to get seduced by the “IQ argument” because of its basis in social science. However, anyone well versed in statistical analysis and experimental design can see clearly that these “one group IQ is on average higher than others” is simply a gussied up qualitative analysis. But I am sure these geniuses already knew that.

          • Dave

            If you are as smart as you say that you are, and actually read clbrown’s posts, you should have realized that this individual is extremely articulate and more than likely has a very high IQ. You are in over your head debating with clbrown.

          • proud white

            I read his posts he doesn’t sound intelligent. Yes he is way under my head as are you. I disproved everything he said and you have said. How are you winning exactly? La La Land must be fun

          • Dave

            You are entitled to your opinion. However you sound less intelligent than clbrown.

          • proud white

            okay dave i’ll keep it in mind in the meantime keep at the acid ;)

          • clbrown

            It’s fairly pointless to “debate” with these guys. I recognize their tactics. If I cared just a little bit more, I’d find out their actual identities (I’ve done that before) and determine if they’re anything remotely like they act here.

            There are really two possibilities.

            First, there’s the possibility that they actually believe exactly what they say. I’m giving that about a 40% probability. They’ve at least made SOME effort (weak though it’s been) to “defend” their position. The most blatant troll-types never do that.

            Second, and significantly more probable, is that these guys are actually left-wing types employed (and yes, there are a lot of those people out there) to “fuel the fires of dissent.” Their behavior is far more in line with this, but I don’t give it a higher probability because of how inept and ineffectual their efforts are, and how quickly it became evident that their main purpose here was to “paint conservatives on this site as racist idiots” (something which the folks who run the site recognize, by the way).

            Our local Austin-based fringe-case down here in Texas, Alex Jones, has done yeoman’s work in “discrediting” this term, by applying it (wrongly) to all variety of situations, until it became a joke… but it’s a very real, and commonly used tactic… known as “false flag” operations.

            A “false flag” operation… of which there are countless examples in real history, mind you… is one wherein a party or individual disguises their identity to appear to be their opposition, and then commits some unusually offensive action. For example, during the brush wars in Latin America in the 70s and 80s, it was common for troops from both sides to don the uniforms of the other side, then go into a village to rape, pillage, and murder… generally to terrorize the residents.

            The point of this is to create a PROPAGANDA VICTORY for your own side… where you can blame all variety of misconduct on “the enemy.”

            So, when I see this sort of behavior on a Conservative site, I generally become suspicious of the persons as being leftists… often paid (as often as not, by a Soros-funded entity) to do so. I’ve actually tracked down a few of them and positively identified them… but it takes a fair amount of effort, and they’re usually trivial enough to deal with that it’s not worth the effort to do so.

            In this case, these two characters got “traction” by getting someone “important” on their side, at least temporarily. But he eventually saw through to who they really are, and what they’re really doing, so their on their own again.

            They are not trying to defend their positions, you see. They’re engaging in pure Alinsky tactics. They refuse to actually answer questions, instead “changing the topic” by posing their own, and then ignoring actual answers given to them.

            It’s pointless to argue with them… if you think you’re going to convince them. They’re “at war” with the very side they pretend to be on, and are engaged in open hostilities with this very site (which they’re attempting to paint as a “home of racist idiots” by playing the role of racist idiots… as they envision, falsely, “conservatives” to be).

            But it’s not pointless to argue with them if others are going to read your counter-arguments. That’s why I do this. Not for THEIR benefit… I know that all they’re doing is recording this and passing it along to the “smart guys higher up” so that they can come up with “smart counter-arguments” to be spread around. They’re not going to listen. It’s like the story of the frog and the scorpion…

            … except that I’ve got a scorpion-proof back, and their stingers are pretty dull. I fully expect them to “sting” but it’s utterly ineffectual. At this point, it’s all about amusement, as far as I’m concerned. They’re so effective at self-mockery that it’s almost effortless, isn’t it?

          • Dave

            You are correct in your assessment of the situation at hand. I have from time to time stated my disgust to some of these idiots for two reasons. The first being that it is the right thing to do. While, I know that they will not stop spewing their vitriol. It does need to be pointed out that it is unacceptable. Standing by in silence is the same as giving one’s approval. Secondly young people like Gabrielle need to see that true conservatives do not hate people over circumstances that are beyond their control, such as ethnicity. Gabrielle has been treated like $#!t and yet she remains polite. That speaks volumes for both her upbringing and her character. I am glad that you returned to this site, as I think that you have great potential to be a positive influence on Gabrielle and others that come here. I look forward to seeing you two debate on future issues. I recognized early on, that you are not parroting conservative ideas but actually have thought out your positions. As to your last question, I agree.

          • SiRobertson

            Gabrielle has never debated anything with facts. She’s an amoral, brainwashed liberal with a lot of talking points, nothing more. She has NOT remained polite and she actually believes she’s going to use her progressive malarky to change adults’ minds on what we know, but she has no clue about.

            It is actually unacceptable that people like you try to pretend that reality is not what it is. That helps no one. Only by keeping the truth as foundational will people ever have a real shot to reach their individual potential.

            This is why blacks fail in school and drop out so often. Most can’t learn what the rest of the class can, or in the same way. If they understood the real reason that that many of them aren’t able to keep up they could be taught in different ways and learn skills they could actually excel in instead of being failures. Trade schools should be promoted more to black students and a much stronger moral structure is required for many of them. It’s not fair to hold back the more intelligent students because of their socially and mentally inferior classmates either.

            People like you and Gabrielle are so stuck on trying to make everyone equal that you miss the entire boat. We’re not all equal and that’s obvious, but refusing to acknowledge the truth is hurting blacks and everyone else. Rarely do blacks understand why they fail so often. Imagine if they understood why and then were encouraged to travel a different route which would give them a much greater chance at being successful at something. Do you people ever think outside the box?

          • Dave

            Your time would be better spent if you had a hobby. I think that basket weaving would be an appropriate one for you.

          • SiRobertson

            As usual, you got nothin’.

          • SiRobertson

            Your assessments just proved you have absolutely no discernment whatsoever. You can yap at length though.

            The fact remains that blacks are collectively intellectually inferior to every other race. They also tend to have many other serious deficiencies that their lesser I.Q. exascerbates.

            I would wager YOU don’t live in a black neighborhood. You appear to be that smart anyway.

          • clbrown

            And your comment, above, merely reinforces the appearance that you’re dedicated to attempting to paint this website, and it’s frequenters, as racist fools.

            “My assessments” include (a) you believe the stuff you spout, or (b) you don’t believe the stuff you spout.

            Are you saying that there’s a third option? If so, what?

          • SiRobertson

            Based on?

          • Dave

            I stated the basis for my conclusion in my post. Reread it.

          • SiRobertson

            If that’s true, you must be very famous! What crisis are you currently working on….cure for Alzheimers, MS, cancer?

          • proud white

            SI that was funny. He is more intelligent than the average black man as you stated. He is also just as ignorant in many aspects and him stating an IQ of 183 and believing it and defending it just proves it all the more

          • SiRobertson

            It appears you’re correct. I’ve never had any interaction with him before until today when he has his meltdown toward several of us who referred to blacks’ rampant retardation.

          • SiRobertson

            Young black males are our largest terrorist threat in this country. It’s so frustrating to me that we have so many absolutely STUPID people who fall for the PC BS that we’re supposed to ignore reality. Makes me want to chew nails.

          • proud white

            Great Point SI. Is there any hope that we can change them? I don’t think so, these people are born with out any regard for right and wrong. They will stab someone and then go eat lunch

          • SiRobertson

            Yes, they have no conscience and are very dangerous. I’m so thankful I live about 40 miles from any blacks, which is why we have virtually no crime to speak of.

          • proud white

            LOL. what do blacks and a tornado have in common? only takes one to ruin a neighborhood!

          • SiRobertson

            In our area if we’re selling land we tell the blacks we have a lot of snakes and that quells their interest. I didn’t used to understand what the land owners were doing…………..

          • proud white

            haha yea those snakes and all that water. Those dense bones don’t float vey well SI LOL

          • SiRobertson

            Yep! Have you ever watched a utube of black encountering a snake? Priceless!!!

          • SiRobertson

            Wouldn’t it be great if we had our own country????

          • proud white

            yes! it would be clean, and healthy looking. You would be able to go anywhere without having the chance for your gf to be raped or killed. It would almost be like paradise lol

          • clbrown

            Of course, because intelligence and fame are always related. Think fast… name the ten most famous people you can think of. How many of them are highly intelligent.

            Do you know the names of the people working on the human genome project?

            Do you know the name of the chief mechanical engineer on the SpaceX “Dragon” project?

            Do you know the name of the head of the CDC’s advanced virology lab?

            Do you know the name of the person who invented the lithium-iron-manganese-phosphate formulation which could produce SAFE lithium-ion batteries?

            Do you know ANY of those people?

            No?

            But I’m sure you know who Oprah is, and who Gwyneth Paltrow is, and who Shaquille O’Neil is… and so forth.

            So, no, I’m not “famous.” Nor do I have any great desire to be. But I think it’s funny that you associate fame with intelligence. You must believe that Al Gore is a super-duper-uber-genius, then, huh?

          • SiRobertson

            Are you any of those people? No, I do not equate being famous with intelligence, however I do equate being relevant to I.Q. Are you doing anything of relevance with your enormous I.Q.?

          • clbrown

            Actually, each of the people I mentioned is a personal friend of mine. And all of them have IQ higher than my own.

          • proud white

            SI maybe I should re-post the IQ video?

          • SiRobertson

            Go for it, friend!

          • clbrown

            Never had a therapist, never will. And one more time, since you seem incapable of grasping this basic fact… Albert Einstein never took an IQ test.

            Get that? NEVER.

          • proud white

            your’re just an idiot troll. grow up, you lose every time

          • clbrown

            How does repeatedly pointing out a demonstrable fact which you’ve never once acknowledged constitute “losing” in your eyes? Just curious…

          • proud white

            facts where are they?

        • SiRobertson

          I’m white and Cherokee Indian. I’m proud of both. Here’s the thing, you sound like an intelligent man and you can write coherently, use proper punctuation, etc. But, the nutball above is a good example of a stupid, low intellect black. He has no critical thinking skills and just probably lives from one knee jerk to the next.

          The truth has been proven for many years and the truth is not racist, though it entails racial truths. How can you, as a black man, not look around you and see the number of black simpletons there are? They tend to have poor impulse control, they’re oversexed, irresponsible, many times criminals and those types create the ghettos.

          I’m well aware that there are different tribes of Indians whom I call “blanket butts” myself because of their lazy, low I.Q. slovenly lifestyles. Cherokees were one of the 5 civilized tribes, but we were treated terribly for many years and for no reason. I have no anger or bitterness because no one I know would do such a thing now.

          I understand your battle with having Conservative beliefs and being black. Have you ever considered that if blacks were very bright, as a whole, they would not be democrats? The reason you’re Conservative is BECAUSE you’re smarter than your peers. How many black brainiacs have you ever encountered who were liberals? There are only a tiny number. The ones who are of above average I.Q. are smart enough to be pure evil and that’s what they are. Van Jones comes to mind. The rest…..Maxine Waters, Sheila J Lee, Sharpton, the obamas, the Jacksons, Hank Johnson, Elijah Cummings, etc., all crooks, liars and morons.

          How can you possibly look into history, all over the globe, and not see the level of I.Q. inferiority in blacks? I didn’t make it this way. Blacks are superior in some respects to other races in areas of their physical abilities although they can’t swim many times.

          All races are different. Do you think the genetics are only skin deep? NO, they are not. Genetics determine our looks, our personality, our I.Q and many other things. The subsaharan blacks and the Aboriginese don’t have Neanderthal DNA like all other races do. The Haitian average I.Q. is about 55-60, much lower than retarded levels and not much higher than the great apes. Why is that? How can you explain the tendency toward violence of the dark skinned races all over the world, regardless of their history?

          • proud white

            good post SI. spot on as always. Although The guy claims to have an IQ of 183. I really believe he is psychotic. chances of a black man having an IQ of 183 is probably 1 in a billion I’m speculating but it’s almost impossible. Almost impossible for a white or Asian as well. you can look down the page to where he boldly stated it

          • SiRobertson

            183????? Bullhockey! Yes, close to impossible. If he did have an I.Q. anywhere near that he wouldn’t be posting here…he’d be finding a cure for some hideous disease.

          • clbrown

            The problem is that the “nutball” you mention is not a BLACK at all, he’s a Mexican (self-identified), and more notably, a “La Raza” type, who fully support “Reconquista.”

            I do see the sad state of affairs in AMERICAN BLACK CULTURE. And I even recognize (and have talked about) WHY this is the case. It’s an example of EUGENICS at work. The slave trade wanted people who were physically strong, yet mentally “passive” and even “submissive.” High intelligence was not a prized trait, and was actively discouraged, among those who were wanted as slaves. And, of course, those who were more intelligent were less likely to be sold off by the Muslim slavers in Africa, anyway.

            So, there was, in the original “imported as slaves” US black population, a tendency towards physical superiority and away from mental superiority. This is borne out today in the predominance of blacks in athletics in the USA (but not worldwide).

            It’s Eugenics at its most blatant.

            But while this is a “tendency” in the States, this is NOT a worldwide phenomenon. The average intelligence of black people, given their educational situation, is virtually indistinguishable from that of white people, or asian people, or any other group.

            We see a higher rating among Asians in the States because many of the most intelligent Asians fled those nations before they could be slaughtered for “being a threat.” (How many Chinese geniuses do you think Mao slaughtered during the “Great Leap Forward” and “Cultural Revolution” because they held ideas which were not entirely in agreement with his propaganda line?)

            But the biggest advantage we’ve got here… which is IRRESPECTIVE OF RACE, mind you… is our system. The system where, at least in theory, everyone is treated equally, and had the same advantages, and can profit, or lose, based upon how hard he or she applies him or herself.

            This system is not found in those “cesspool” areas of the world, that’s true. The areas where things are very bad, all have one thing in common… absolute tyranny. Because tyrants (and would-be-tyrants) want the citizens to be as weak-minded and ignorant as possible.

            And that’s what Lyndon Baines Johnson realized in the mid-1960s. When he, inveterate racist that he was, came to recognize that blacks were going to become fully equal… he found a “trick” to ensure that this would be reversed, and that blacks would, instead, willingly accept a “revised” form of slavery.

            Which is what many have done… including this fellow, Mike Brown. He had no belief that he could be a POSITIVE, CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF SOCIETY. He was told he had to be a “taker” because he was incapable of being a “producer.” So, he embraced that and became the most capable “taker” he could. Which meant… he became a thug and robber and a bully and, eventually, became dead.

          • SiRobertson

            He may be Mexican but he thinks like many blacks do. I don’t buy much of what you’re saying because of all the areas where blacks are the main demographic are 3rd world and always have been. Blacks in the US are smarter because many of them are mixed with lighter races.

            If what you’re saying was true, the Africans would be really intelligent….they’re not, they’re just brutal and many are hardened criminals who are destroying what the white race built there.

          • clbrown

            Freedom, which also means “personal accountability,” is remarkably rare in human history. Africa has never really experienced freedom, since the first days that the Muslims started streaming in.

            Tribalism has also been a massive part of this… but that’s not something unknown in Western European culture. Or do you suppose that the Visigoths were “highly cultured?”

            It just so happens that European culture, as a response to (a) a massive invasion by Muslims (the Crusades were a DEFENSIVE RESPONSE to this), and (b) a massive plague, sprung back with a new cultural set if norms which, eventually, led to the foundation of America. I also credit the Christian doctrines (which are the only truly pro-Intellectual beliefs among all the major religions) which were, at least nominally, at the core of this area of the world. It’s undeniable that Europeans, who have every bit as much barbarity and ignorance as any other people, happened to GET THERE FIRST.

            So… “YAY, WE WIN.” But… the race isn’t over, and it’s not about “just one group.”

            The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany… aka the “Nazi” party… grew out of a group called the Thule Society. The Thule Society was an occultic group which believed that there was a “Master race” (who they eventually named the Aryans after a group of blonde-haired/blue-eyes people native to northern India) who had lived on an island which legend refers to as Atlantis, who destroyed themselves, and scattered throughout the world, and eventually “interbred with the animal races” to dilute their “racial purity.”

            The central conceit of the Nazis was that they were the purest representation of this “master race” and would lead to the worldwide “purification” by paring out all “inferior genetics” so that only the “Master race” would remain. This is why they loved Eugenics so much… it fit their ideology perfectly. Of course, realize that Woodrow Wilson, HG Wells, Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) and many others were all in agreement with this ideology.

            So, today, we hear the “master race” nonsense being brought up yet again. So, I need to ask you, seriously… are you on the same side as the National Socialists in Germany were?

          • SiRobertson

            Yeah, whites have always had it going their way…..

        • proud white

          okay present your data stating otherwise. There is a youtube video on this page stating African American IQ at 85. Present your scientific data, I’m waiting Mr. 183 IQ super genius

          • clbrown

            Sigh….

            “there is a youtube video on this page stating African American IQ at 85.”

            Okay… so, “data” equates to “youtube videos.”

            I can show you a “youtube video” claiming that we never landed on the moon, or that some woman in Oregon has sex with Bigfoot, or… well, you get the picture.

            But the really FUNNY thing here is that you think you can give me orders. Oh yes, I’m really feeling the need to “do as you command.”

            Sigh…

          • SiRobertson

            There are utube videos for the purpose of education and those for entertainment. Intelligent people usually opt for the former. Discernment is an element of I.Q.

          • clbrown

            Except that those who post those videos I mentioned believe them to be true. Youtube allows ANY nutcase to post anything they want, as long as it doesn’t “violate the terms of service.”

            Believing something doesn’t make it true.

            Al Gore believes that if the temperature rises three degrees, Florida will be underwater. (Apparently failing to grasp that the only ice which would melt in the icecaps would be that right at the waterline… and clearly failing to grasp the fundamental concepts behind bouyancy.)

            So, because he says so, and has Youtube posts “proving” it (allegedly), does this mean that property in Florida is worthless?

          • SiRobertson

            I agree Al Gore is an idiot.

          • SiRobertson

            You know good and well most blacks are stupid. Why else are they living in the state they do?

      • SiRobertson

        Great post!

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

        Truly outstanding comment.

    • SiRobertson

      Oh great…..if that happens we will become another hellhole like Mexico. Without whites many on this earth will live like they do in all the 3rd world countries….like heathens, complete with rampant crime, no modern inventions, witch doctors and voodoo.

      • Patricio Neves jr

        Ru kidding none of disbullshit would b going if dumbass people from europe would never pollured the world with filth and unloyalness and not mention hatred. You came here gained trust from natives then stabbed dem n da back and raped the women and killed there childern .As i see u have alot of those ways in you ms roberts lol wiredo. dont lie u know u have been with a black man before or thought about all white girls have the used to sneak in the masters house and there wives when ones looking lmfao.

    • Benjamin Daniel

      Maybe if you learn how to spell it would add some relevance to idiotic drivel that you just posted. Oh no it wouldnt. Idiot.

  • DeAnna

    I have to say I am MOST DISTURBED by the black community’s attack on their very own neighbors, and businesses there. Are they not just edifying the persona the white community has of them? YES. Are they making it more appealing for businesses to be in their neighborhoods and community’s? NO. I guess I have no idea how their minds work to think this will help in ANY way? Are they waiting to see the facts and if justice will be done before they have a melt down? NO, they are judge and jury before all the facts are in and exhibiting NO self control whatsoever.
    As far as Michael Brown’s shooting I truly hope justice is done whichever be the case. I do have to say the aggression, anger and dominance he show’s in the video at the convenience store is unnerving and I don’t know how anyone can say he could just turn that attitude/demeanor off and be compliant with the officer just minutes later. I pray for Michael’s family because they have lost their son forever and he was their child regardless of the bad choices he had made.

    • clbrown

      One more time… the majority of those engaged in the “misbehavior” have been IMPORTED to take part in these activities.

      I’ll ask it again… please go back and look at the history of the standoff at Wounded Knee. The narrative was that this was “a local indian tribe in conflict with law enforcement.” But the tribe itself has NOTHING TO DO with what was going on, and those who were actually involved were not members of that tribe at all… in fact, most weren’t even Indian. (this is before the term “native American” came into vogue, by the way).

      The same thing is happening here. You’re looking at former Acorn types… you’re looking at “Nation of Islam” members… and yes, you’re looking at the “Black Panthers” (also a Muslim organization). The majority of the violent thugs you see there are not actually the local residents.

      • SiRobertson

        Are you trying to tell your fellow blacks what morons they are?

        • proud white

          haha this guy is unbelievable can we flag him off? just because he posts so much spam

          • SiRobertson

            I’d say, yes.

          • proud white

            ok will do SI, I don’t read what he writes just a sentence or two lol

          • SiRobertson

            No one else pays much attention to them anyway but isn’t it interesting they keep proving what we’re saying?

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            Are you about to try and to stifle someone else’s free speech just because he disagrees with you? SMH.

          • clbrown

            No worries… they can’t have any effect on me here. In fact, if they push, they might be surprised at who gets “spanked” over it. So, let’em try. It’s a non-issue to me… it stopped bothering me once I took a little mental context shift… I’m still trying to decide which one is Moe and which one is Curly, though…

          • Dave

            Neither…..Moe and Curly were more intelligent and much funnier. Incidentally, I’m glad you decided to return to this site.

          • SiRobertson

            Your comments are gathering the goobers’ upvotes. One is the PC police troll, and the other is just a moron. You won’t get any from rational people.

          • SiRobertson

            We’re not like you, trying to stiffle the truth.

          • proud white

            AMEN. He is a spam robot nothing more. I don’t think his IQ is above 90

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You just agreed to “flag him off” (flagging his comments to the point that they’re removed and “awaiting moderation”) only a few days after trying to recruit others to “flag me off” in this same thread. Smh, you really can’t handle a difference of opinion, can you?

          • SiRobertson

            We’re just joking back and forth….go back under your rock. I have NEVER flagged anyone to stifle their speech, unlike you. I only did it to you a couple of times lately as payback for doing it to me for months.

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            You were in this thread attempting to recruit others to flag me to the point of having my comments removed to be “moderated” (e.g. stifle my free speech). You’re lying and it shows.
            And again, I’ve only flagged posts of yours that violate the posting policy. You were flagging my comments repeatedly for kicks. I’ve done this, not out of spite, but because I don’t think posts that clearly violate the posting policy should be allowed here.

          • SiRobertson

            ONE MORE TIME…now read slowly…..you’ve done it to me for months because you don’t like me or what I say……a few weeks ago I finally got fed up and GAVE YOU A DOSE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE a few times.

            Once again……I don’t care what you post on here…..it’s all just typical liberal talking points and most on here just blow you off anyway……no one on this site cares enough (esp. me) about what you say to bother trying to stifle your speech.

            Get it? Reread, because it’s the same thing I’ve been telling you every time. DON’T accuse me of lying. YOUR comments are hardly worth me lying about!

          • Gabrielle Alyse

            ONE MORE TIME… read slowly… I’ve flagged posts that contain violations of the posting policy because those kinds of posts don’t belong here.
            You care enough to try and stifle my speech by repeatedly flagging my posts to ensure they are removed/reviewed. You care enough to try to recruit others to do the same. You’re still lying and it still shows.

      • proud white

        where are all your facts? present them please

      • SiRobertson

        It’s all with obama and DOJ approval, too. They love instigating this sh*t.

  • Asa JustAsa

    So might we agree? Certain sub-cultures have no problem with stealing, and assaulting others. We should be left to ask ourselves, no matter what cultural differences we may have……….which do you prefer?…..Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?….or. Death, oppression, and the pursuit of hatred?

    Careful what you wish for…you might just get it, sooner than you think.

  • proud white

    clbrown where is your evidence. This guy’s name is John Philippe Rushton

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxAhwYoZQKU

    • SiRobertson

      Most people reading the title would automatically know how that search will turn out, as they laugh.

  • proud white
    • dubious

      I am sorry (I wrote this below in response to cl)…well versed statements do not make up for real interpretation of the original papers on this.

      It is fairly easy to get seduced by the “IQ argument” because of its
      basis in social science. However, anyone well versed in statistical
      analysis and experimental design can see clearly that these “one group
      IQ is on average higher than others” is simply a gussied up qualitative
      analysis.

      • SiRobertson

        You have to be intelligent to understand the quotient factor.

        • dubious

          That is a complete nonsensical response and non sequitur to this very real criticism of this argument.

          • SiRobertson

            You evidently have never lived near, nor had interaction with many blacks.

    • Daniel Gray

      Using an admitted racist as your source? Not good enough.

      • SiRobertson

        He’s a race realist, just as all, honest, knowledgeable people are. What has his vast research revealed that you don’t agree with? After all, just look around you and it’s all proven out.

        • Daniel Gray

          call it what you want…in reality his views are called RACIST. And so far I have yet to see ANYTHING from you OR him showing police reports or FBI reports or DOJ reports backing up what you claim…all I see is him claiming he has them but nor showing anything.

          Sorry that does not work.

          • SiRobertson

            You have internet access….look up the stats. It’s quite obvious you just don’t want to face the facts. That’s the problem most of the time.

          • Brittany Jones

            Yes, but a huge part of the story he missed is the efforts white people have taken throughout 100′s of years of history to keep darker skinned races down. Native Americans – killed them, Africans – made them slaves (here and in Africa), Mayan’s stole their gold and left them with disease; white people have a full history of coming into other peoples cultures and claiming their European caucasian culture is better or superior.

            And if we are really talking about intelligence than white people aren’t the master race, Asians would be. Much smarter and ahead of us on many things. If intelligence is based on technology that races have built sorry white people you loose.

          • tom

            watch the video a few hundred times. Then watch it some more

          • MyOpinionis whatitis.

            You do realize that black people sold their own kind into slavery correct? That seems like a great race to belong to. Also, yes white people have committed a lot of race crimes. I will not say they haven’t. You however are lumping all white people into one group. If I a white man was to say that about the black race, I would be called a racist. So, I will turn it on you. You Brittany Jones are a racist person.

          • joe

            White people didn’t make them slaves… white people went to Africa and bought people that were already enslaved by other tribes. I’m not saying its right but its true.

          • Daniel Gray

            Not the way it works Si…YOU said these were facts…therefor YOU have to show where you got the information from and validate it by giving links to the DOJ and the FBI documenting what you said.

            If you cannot or will not, then this pushes your post to YOUR OPINION and nothing more.

          • tom

            right racist = factual. how can we move forward if we don’t accept the facts you nit wit

          • Daniel Gray

            You have not proved they are fact yet nit wit…all you have don is spout statements from a proven and admitted racist. You have not even shown where in the DOJ or the FBI this mythical information came from so all we have is just YOUR word and the blatherings from a racist with no factual documentation to back it up.

            Sorry tom, you try this in any court in the land and the judge would toss you in jail for wasting their time.

      • tom

        are blacks better athletes? say yes you are a racist

        • Daniel Gray

          I am not saying anything. I have seen both black AND White athletes who have won championships and gold medals in the olympics. The persons ability to be an athlete depends completely on their desire and ability to do the sport they want to be in….nothing more.

    • lisarichards124

      Here’s one that no one wants to talk about: Cradle of mankind: It’s NOT Africa, the Bible says between Tigris and Euphrates. Not Victoria Falls! It does not point to Africa at all, but Nat. Geographic has insisted on Africa being the birthplace of mankind for so long now, as have the Left, who write these mags, that kids are taught we all came out of Africa, when we did not

  • lisarichards124

    Obama, if you want this to end the Ferguson riots right now, send Valerie Jarrett into
    Ferguson to yell “Stand Down,” and I’ll bet everyone will stop and do
    nothing, since that seems to happen a lot in your White House with her: Stand Down, everyone stops…

  • anonymous

    The cop did not know Brown was involved in an alleged robbery when he confronted and shot him. That tape was not released until after the shooting, and he did not witness it. At least get the facts right.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Wilson did get the BOLO immediately upon making first contact with Brown, get up to speed. He relayed this through his friend, Josie, beside the fact that the police dept. put out an inaccurate statement on the matter.

      It’s actually hilarious that you think cops get notified of crimes by surveillance tapes being released to the media.

  • michael

    How the hell can u compare this to Trayvon Martin.. Get real Zimmerman killed that dude after stalking him. The police responded to an armed robbery. Donald Joy should be slapped for even thinking about comparison g the two.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Bullshit.

  • Truthful

    Some of these people need to know what really happened with George Zimmerman and get off their high horse. Learn the facts. George Zimmerman did indeed follow Trayvon because he was thought he was up to no good. Not the best idea. 911 had even told him to stay in his vehicle. But Trayvon did in fact, jump on Zimmerman and beat him for a good while while Zimmerman screamed for help until he finally got his gun and shot Trayvon. That is why Zimmerman was not charged of murder but merely it was self defense. Do you think Zimmerman would have got off if they had the evidence to throw him in jail?

    Now for Brown, we all saw him rob that store and man handle the employee. The officer did shoot in self defense after Brown battered his face. That is why the Zimmerman case is related to Browns. I don’t know why people don’t just go by the facts and instead, are triggered by emotions. Facts are clear. Don’t blame other people for these thugs being murdered. They choose their actions and their actions have major consequences that can cost them their lives.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      You deign to lecture people on “what really happened” the Zimmerman case, yet you get multiple basic facts wrong: Zimmerman was NOT on the phone with 911. The non-emergency operator did NOT tell him to stay in his car. Zimmerman WAS charged with murder.

      Otherwise, your comment is exactly right about the nature of both cases.

  • anonymous

    Cop kills unarmed black guy he was a “thug”. Cops kill white guy who shoots teachers and kids up at a school he had “mental issues” shame how white people justify whites killing people but when it’s a black guy he was automatically a thug, some country we live in. The rights afforded to some don’t apply to all!

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