The strange birth of NY’s gun laws

Screen Shot 2012-12-26 at 9.05.51 AMThe father of New York gun control was Democratic city pol “Big Tim “Sullivan — a state senator and Tammany Hall crook, a criminal overseer of the gangs of New York.

In 1911 — in the wake of a notorious Gramercy Park blueblood murder-suicide — Sullivan sponsored the Sullivan Act, which mandated police-issued licenses for handguns and made it a felony to carry an unlicensed concealed weapon.

This was the heyday of the pre-Prohibition gangs, roving bands of violent toughs who terrorized ethnic neighborhoods and often fought pitched battles with police. In 1903, the Battle of Rivington Street pitted a Jewish gang, the Eastmans, against the Italian Five Pointers. When the cops showed up, the two underworld armies joined forces and blasted away, resulting in three deaths and scores of injuries. The public was clamoring for action against the gangs.

Problem was the gangs worked for Tammany. The Democratic machine used them as shtarkers (sluggers), enforcing discipline at the polls and intimidating the opposition. Gang leaders like Monk Eastman were even employed as informal “sheriffs,” keeping their turf under Tammany control.

The Tammany Tiger needed to rein in the gangs without completely crippling them. Enter Big Tim with the perfect solution: Ostensibly disarm the gangs — and ordinary citizens, too — while still keeping them on the streets.

In fact, he gave the game away during the debate on the bill, which flew through Albany: “I want to make it so the young thugs in my district will get three years for carrying dangerous weapons instead of getting a sentence in the electric chair a year from now.”

Sullivan knew the gangs would flout the law, but appearances were more important than results. Young toughs took to sewing the pockets of their coats shut, so that cops couldn’t plant firearms on them, and many gangsters stashed their weapons inside their girlfriends’ “bird cages” — wire-mesh fashion contraptions around which women would wind their hair.
Ordinary citizens, on the other hand, were disarmed, which solved another problem: Gangsters had been bitterly complaining to Tammany that their victims sometimes shot back at them.

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  • Benjamin

    Scum. Low life scum.

  • Nameless App 1989

    Don’t we have up to 5 days for Oboner to get our guns?

  • agbjr

    Tweed, Croker, Sullivan … all New York’s big-time manipulators of the law were Tammany Bosses … ie: DEMOCRATS. But they pale when compared to what went on across the Hudson River in Jersey City. Democrat machine boss and thirty-three year mayor Frank Hague raised political corruption and downright thievery to an art! When once questioned at a public meeting about an action of his being against the law Hague thundered, “I AM THE LAW!”

  • coastx

    Militia would prevent this.

    • Sagebrush6

      A statement like that just shows how really stupid you are. Crawl back under a rock.

      • coastx

        Provocateur: brainless, spineless, false ego and always spoiling for a fight. Christmas message for you. <nIm!

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      They’d help anyway. A huge chunk, that they’d have a hard time dealing with, is that the ones who are behind this literally hold the political and fiscal power of the world in their hands now! They’ve been working on this for better than 4 1/2 centuries, and are very close to their goal; their target date is 2018 to have it completed!

  • Low Profile

    And things have not changed one bit since then. We still have hundreds of thousands of gang members terrorizing our “ethnic” neighborhoods. Back then it was immigrant Jews, Irish, Poles and Italians. Today it is immigrant Latinos and poor blacks. Back then it was Prohibition of alcohol, a spectacularly stupid idea, and today it is prohibition of marijuana and cocaine and other “stupid” drugs. Back then it was the corrupt Democratic Party trying to disarm the average citizen and today it is . . .well, the corrupt Democratic Party trying to say that anybody who opposes gun control is a racist. I don’t know why I bother replying to articles like this. The genuine freedom lovers support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights without reservation. And the haters cannot wait to disarm the average citizen, leaving them completely defenseless against gangs, overzealous government enforcers and insane mass-murderers, who will not be restrained one bit by gun control in their efforts to murder innocent people. Somehow the looney-tunes liberals imagine that if Adam Lanza could not have obtained two common, ordinary 9mm pistols (HE DID NOT USE AN AR-15, HE LEFT IT IN HIS CAR) that he could not have murdered twenty-six innocent people with a machete and an aluminum baseball ba, instead. Or five gallons of gasoline and a Bic lighter. Or a framing hammer. Or his bare hands. The liberals cannot fathom the truth–one does not kill with an M-16. One kills with a hard heart.

  • Dwightmannn

    The need for4 public executions is imperative. Who cares how many people you kill if you are just going to waste away in a jail cell? Death is a much better deterrent of crime than you would believe. Public executions work very well as you see the offender in his misery and squalor walking to his demise, like the coward he is. Put it on pay per view, and you could make a little money also. People need to see the face of death, it is a stark reminder of how precious life is. . .

    • dudley74

      The last 3 mass murders have killed themselves before they could be arrested.

      • Dwightmannn

        Yeah? So what? Is there a point in such a statement. Public executions are a strong deterrent to violence. How would you like to take that walk? Would you take it like a man, or would you pee yourself. I already know the answer to that. . .
        Troll
        If you can not add a good idea, dont bother responding. . .
        Thanks for that bit of civility!

      • cherokee_warrior

        Goes to show that they are COWARDS. They know that they want to die, but are not brave enough to ‘go out alone’. Always these scum must take some with them.

      • Sandra Lee Smith

        DID they now??? You so sure about that? Did they actually commit the murders and did they actually kill themselves? The most recent instance, there’s some pretty clear evidence, IF it hasn’t been expunged, that the alleged killer DIDN’T commit the murders, at least, that he’s supposed to have committed. And as happened with Oswald; he was shut up before people could start LISTENING to him and realize HE was set up to take that rap. That would be highly possible at Newtown too. There are things going on that most consider “insane conspiracy theories” to ignore, which is, in fact, what the people behind them WANT you to believe, so you WON’T interfere, that are GOING to cost us ALL dearly!

        • DenverKitty

          Sandra, I think you’ve got a “tiger by the tail”. Obama has a tendency to “muddy the water” with diversions. Partial list of diversions: 1) Benghazi, 2) Fast & Furious, 3) Fiscal Cliff, 4) Hurricane Sandy assistance, 5) Election fraud, 6) Sandy Hook murders…how many situations can the American People be expected to process at one time?

          • Sandra Lee Smith

            Well, you’re bang on about the situations; but it’s NOT O behind it all; he’s just another of the “fronts”, and it’s one big UGLY and NASTY tiger I got by the tail! The WHOLE “Arab Spring” including the mess in Syria now is also part of it, as if Iran, DPNK and their “toys”, China, and SO much more! BTW that’s a pretty gray tabby! Mine’s long haired torti.

    • cherokee_warrior

      Heck yes, public excecutions drew large crowds, back when the ‘Hanging Judge’ Isaac Parker held court in Fort Smith , Arkansas.Folks would come from far and wide, so the history books (well at least the older ones) and as told by historically correct authors of non-fictional tales of the west. They made it a festive ocassion
      and there are the old photos to back up that on many days, they would hang 6 at one time.
      It might just be a turning point, if people, especially younger people could witness that act of ‘paying for your crimes’. And unlike the needle thing, hanging really puts it nearer the ‘eye for an eye’ that the Old Testament stated.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Randy-Phillips/1058697065 Randy Phillips

        I’m not sure about public executions. I think that would only further desensitize people to the killing of others. Firing squads, electricutions, and hangings I think would be a deterent, but it could be done behind prison walls very easily. To let the people know they were executed for their crimes would let others know, crime doesn’t pay. For most people, to know that their executions had no glory in it, just the loss of their life is enough. You could let the public know that they went to their executions screaming and crying, which is usually the things that happens to cowards.

    • gdoggerz

      Now you are talking…bring back the gallows!!!

  • marineh2ominer

    This certainly points out the fact that the demonrat party hasn’t changed in the last one hundred years , the very same bunch of Satans minions .

    • Cincitiger

      The same DemocRAT swines are running New York, the only thing changed is their names and time. They want to disarm us to make us vulnerable to their gangs.

  • coastx

    Off topic, but important nonetheless.

    Pierce Morgan was part Murdoch’s child abduction crew, which CNN took him on, because he was good at it albeit British media ran him off. Please take notice that even British public know this is a monster and have asked their own government to keep him away. Piers Morgan is a Drac, and the only way to get rid of him is to route him, otherwise, in HIS liberal mind, you love him and want him to hang around for more child abduction entertainment. Not a game. He’s sick. He’s evil. He’s every thing you have come to understand is attacking US policy on the wing of corporatism which is attempting to overthrow our government. Don’t waste any time with this sociopath. It’s over when you make it over, which means you have to get involved to be rid of him. Let them send him to the moon if no one else will take him in. Safe to have him of the planet for the rest of us.

    Deport Piers Morgan http://wp.me/p1GpdK-Qz

  • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

    Let me get this straight. We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president who also smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s broke.

    What could possibly go wrong??

  • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

    What has America become????

    Has America become the land of special interest and home of the
    double standard? Let’s see: If we lie to the Congress, it’s a felony
    and if Congress lies to us it’s just politics. If we dislike a black person,
    we’re a racist and if a black dislikes whites, it’s their 1st Amendment
    right. The government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and
    they do almost nothing for the victims. In public schools you can teach
    that homosexuality and lesbianism is ok, but you better not use the
    word God in the process. You can murder a child in the mothers womb,
    but it’s wrong to execute a mass murderer. We don’t burn books in
    America, we now rewrite them. We got rid of the communist & socialist
    threat by renaming them progressives. If you protest against Obama’s
    policies you’re a terrorist, but if you burn an American flag or George
    Bush in effigy, it’s your 1st Amendment right.

    You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not
    put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas. In America,
    criminals are now called sick people. The government takes money
    from those who work hard & gives it to those who are lazy. Parenting
    has been replaced with Ritalin & video games. The land of opportunity
    is now the land of hand outs.

    And how do we handle a major crisis today? The Government
    appoints a committee to determine who’s at fault, then threatens
    them, passes a law, raises our taxes, then tells us the problem is
    solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

    • $9913635

      Very witty but oh so truthful. I wish you could say this in front of Pelosi, Hairy Weed, or Barry Saetoro.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Randy-Phillips/1058697065 Randy Phillips

      I’ve been enjoying your wit and wisdom for the past several months. Please don’t tell me that you are a Dem plant to incite people. You have a way about explaining things I do enjoy. Thank you for your service.

      • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

        I’m a dem plant?
        If you’ve been following my posts for several months
        then you know that’s not true. What I’ve post is the truth,
        as unpopular as that is.

  • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

    Full of Hot Air
    A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”

    The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.”

    She rolled her eyes and said, “You must be a Republican.”
    “I am,” replied the man from Texas. “How did you know?”
    “Well,” answered the balloonist, “everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.”

    The man smiled and responded, “You must be a Democrat.”
    “I am,” replied the balloonist. “But how did you know?”

    “Well,” said the man, “You don’t know where you are or where you’re going. You’ve risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You’ve made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and now you expect ME to solve your problem. You’re in EXACTLY the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now, it’s MY fault.

    • $9913635

      Good story, but a bit complicated for the masses. But I understood the irony easily. Cut and pasting this story out for my own amusement.

      Liberals will NOT get this story anyway. They will only laff because you are laffing.

    • DenverKitty

      If a choice for “Rational Thought for the Week” award were available, I would say you’ve earned it!

  • Sandra Lee Smith

    That’s what HAPPENS when CRIMINALS are writing the laws… and the citizens of NY are STILL paying for that one!

  • coastx

    The Globalist city state has gone through three transformations since 1850: 1) Vatican, City of London, DC, 2) LDS, City of London, DC, and 3) Islam, City of London, DC. They are getting away with this because the Vatican (a child sacrifice entity) and the Mormon church (a black mass entity) are so invested in occult rendition and kidnapping for torture they wouldn’t dare object out of fear of being exposed. This is for real. People dismiss this out of mind, but occult rendition IS the Globalist prime directive. Have no confusion about this. They recruit via BDSM, pedophilia and child sacrifice.

    Also, please help us reach 1 million signatures on the petition to Deport Piers Morgan http://wp.me/p1GpdK-Qz CIRCULATE THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. Even at 1 million we are only 1% of the US population, and yet literally MILLIONS of people are complaining about this monster. It’s not going to happen on it’s own, and you know the consequences for letting this foreign national beast perpetrate insurrection in the US. This will set a precedence for transnationals, so get going on this! This is one way to SYG so we are at least on the same page on what we are dealing with here.

  • jerry sweet

    i would add,another of the problem/s lies in the fact that honest law abiding citizen’s didn’t take it upon themselves to eradicate both the mobs and the so called law & law makers/breakers.if they would have executed the real criminals,(those in power) i wonder what a nation we could have become.their success has always been the same,drop a bone to the the poor and these same poor keep voting in these same thugs.it’s like, you are going to commit suicide and we willbe happy to supply the method.its the people who are the ignorant/stupid ones here.Why does a politician with a horrible track record on domestic issues keep getting voted in for decades.Its sheer stupidity.Stupid people trade a little liberty for a few crumbs and get neither liberty or the nesccessities of life.joe biden,harry reed,pelosie,obama,bush sr&jr both the mrs clintons.Give to your immediate local influence and the rest be damned.now it’s all of america that’s been damned.taken over by crooks who care nothing for the good of the country.only what is good for their syphilitic/gonorrhea/pus filled, deranged minds

  • Mike11C

    Everyone knows that the reason some politicians want to disarm law-abiding citizens is because, criminals prefer unarmed targets. They know that if we don’t have a means to resist, they can do, and get away with, anything they want. However, there are a lot of people, like me, who have sworn an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic”. We will not allow the government to disarm us. I will never give up my Second Amendment rights and I am willing to fight, and die if necessary, to protect them. I will tell anyone, who wishes to take my weapons away, the same thing that King Leonidas, of Sparta, told the Persians at the Battle of Thermopylae: “ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!”, which means “COME AND TAKE THEM”!!!

    • $9913635

      The only thing is they have better technology and it is very easy to take them away. They have see-through sensors such as thermal imaging optics, etc., that pinpoint your location in your room.

      Drones with x-ray technology confirm the target. There is a drone missle option but after conferring with ground commanders they decide to take you out with a armor-penetrating wall-busting.50 caliber sniper rifle. One shot-one kill. GAME OVER!

      Heavily armored SWAT team members with skilled efficiency honed by a thousand kills under their belt lie waiting and armed to the teeth then converge at your house and kick in your front door and like methodically swarming ants quickly check each room and confirming the target kill.

      They find you still clutching your rifle with a huge gaping hole in you. It was so fast that your hands are not cold at all!

      Mop up operation occurs and your body dragged out in a bag. Burned in a incinerator as “oppostion”. Mission accomplished. They proceed to the next ardent “opposition” gun owner nearby. Repeat…..

      Remember, they bought enough hollow-points for EACH American. As Mr. Franklin said, we must all hang together or hang separately.

  • fliteking

    -This is just more fodder for the liberal villains to use in their fight against the Second Amendment and Conservatives. The man was an ex-con with serious personality flaws.

    To group criminals such as Adam Lanza or William Spengler with LEGAL LAW ABIDING FIREARMS OWNERS is PSYCHOTIC, as is the attempt to limit the rights of citizens based on the same.

    Imagine the following scenarios:

    1. An insane woman uses a computer to make threats, therefore anyone with a mental health diagnosis (past or present) is prohibited from exercising their freedom of speech using a computer.

    2. A Muslim uses the Quran to justify killing innocent people so all books containing religious references are to be outlawed. Further, any religious materail containing references that may be considered violent or otherwise “non-productive” as defined by the federal government is hereby outlawed because of the threat to the public.

    3. An ex-con uses his home to hide various illegal items, therefore the right of unreasonable search and seizure in all citizens home no longer applies.

    4. A man of a specific ethnicity is found guilty of a horrendous crime, upon review it is found that his particular ethnicity is routinely found guilty of similar crimes at a much higher rate than those of other ethnic backgrounds, therefore everyone of the same ethnic background will be monitored closely by the government and must report monthly to a caseworker who will determine their ability to participate in certain activities and provide any pre-approved passes before the ‘participant’ is allowed to travel outside their county of residence.

    If anyone were to even suggest the above list be implemented, the press and Americans in general would not tolerate it . . . but when liberals suggest firearms owners needs special consideration concerning their activities, rights and travel – – – somehow the Government and your ‘liberal’ neighbors are willing to consider this ‘Rational’ .

    Conclusion: Liberals are fully in favor of mandating that your rights be openly violated by the Government because of the actions of a few CRIMINALS, most of whom are/were NOT Law Abiding Conservative Citizens.

    What next, incarceration? Property Seizures? Freedom of Speech Limitations? If these sound reasonable to you thank a Liberal – – – They’re working on it.

    • $9913635

      Wherever you find human misery and suffering you’ll find a liberal at the helm.

      Them must be banned from all positions of authority!

      • fliteking

        Agreed.

  • Take 2

    Millions of dead children around the World would be alive today if a ban on DDT in 1972 was not caused by bleeding Liberal’s…!
    Let’s find out about how Liberal choices caused the Murder’s in Mexico way and over in Benghazi first. Next we deal with why or how this 20 year old person went crazy and got access to help prevent his type of actions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=629591346 Gary Jones

    We have the same type of criminal politicians still trying to take rights away so that only the criminals will have guns.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=629591346 Gary Jones

    The left’s gun ban and confiscation is being perpetrated through UN treaties to disarm the American citizen, their logic is very poor. It’s hard to take a weapon that is locked and loaded. The other problem for Obama, our military didn’t take an oath to the president, politicians, political party, traitors or a tyrannical government. The military is made up of our children, grandchildren, brothers, sisters,,nephews, mothers and fathers, Obama your plan has problems, the guns will turn on you and your cohorts. My oath is to protect the Constitution, the country from foreign and domestic enemies. Take your Globalist views, UN treaty, thoughts and dreams of being a dictator ” Stick it up your A$$” Semper Fi.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Randy-Phillips/1058697065 Randy Phillips

    It seems that since the Civil War, that gun control laws were to disarm certain groups so they could be controlled by others. The majority of these laws have had the Dems hands all over it. The Dems started this practice after the Civil War to first allow the KKK to have reign over blacks. Who were the KKK? A bunch of DemocRATS. Boss Tweed and his gang were DemocRATS. Al Capone helped DemocRATS keep control of Chicago and the corruption still is in place today. Bloomberg is a turncoat Dem, that did so because he couldn’t win the Dems primary. California and its problems; who is in charge there? The Dems. It does have a consistant pattern doesn’t it?

  • underthewire

    Once a crook always a democrat.

  • gypsy314

    Ny york is a fool State and city.

  • USCBIKER

    I’ve always considered the Big Apple rotten to the core and more like America’s Toilet. It still has the greatest disparity of income and lifestyle of any city in the world, proof positive liberalism never works. Since this pinko ragsheet wants to alert us to gun violence,how ’bout a map of people (esp. males) on psych meds? We can take it a step further and publish maps of people on welfare, food stamps, how long they’ve been on unemployment or how many abortions women have had? Oh, wait, that’s a list of Obama voters, duh!

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