BS Alert: Highly Protected Pope Welcomes Obama Gun Control Proposal

Screen Shot 2013-01-20 at 5.00.26 PMVATICAN CITY — The Vatican praised President Barack Obama’s proposals for curbing gun violence, saying they are a “step in a right direction.”

The Vatican’s chief spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Saturday that 47 religious leaders have appealed to members of the U.S. Congress “to limit firearms that are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths.”

“I am with them,” Lombardi said, in an editorial carried on Vatican Radio, lining up the Vatican’s moral support in favor of firearm limits.

`’The initiatives announced by the American administration for limiting and controlling the spread and use of weapons are certainly a step in the right direction,” Lombardi said.

Obama is trying to rally support for reinstating a ban on assault weapons and requiring background checks on all gun sales. He faces stiff opposition in the U.S. Congress and from powerful gun lobbies.

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  • Erica

    Ratzinger rides again.

  • Gary

    One Monsignor does not speak for the entire catholic community. I think they are praising the efforts, even though they are wrong-headed. The Pope has warned the US to be vigilant in the guarding of their liberty. You noticed that the article does not say the Pope praised Obama.

    • Dean

      POPE BENEDICT NEEDS TO CONCERN HIMSELF WITH THE WORLDWIDE PROBLEM OF ABORTION AND KEEP HIS FINGERS OUT OF OUR RIGHTS HERE IN THE U.S.

  • Jack

    Let’s look at the the histroy of the Vatican .They help Nazis from Germany to escape ,they look the other way when priests when they were having sex with children .They tell us the citizens of this country what is the right thing to do .Does anybody see the pope’s bodyguards carry no guns .I don’t they got guns that can scare away any person that trys to harm the pope.They are in favor of the guns laws that this President just sign in.What hypocrites

  • Yoikes

    The people in the Vatican are just plain out of touch. Hey, what kind of gun laws does Italy have? Did it prevent John Paul II from being shot right in St. Peter’s Square? End of discussion!

  • Phillip_in_TX

    They are a step in the right direction – “For Tyranny!”

    If you have not watched the video “Innocents Betrayed,” please do.

    http://libertycrier.com/front-page/innocents-betrayed-genocide-by-gun-control-true-history-of-gun-confiscation/

  • http://catholicview.wordpress.com Disciple96

    B.S. is right. Your headline makes it appear that your article will be about what the Pope has said about gun control. But then your article does not quote the Pope but a Vatican spokesman. Even the chief spokesman for the Vatican is not the Pope. When the Pope speaks, I’ll listen. But when he is not teaching and speaking on faith and morals, as a faithful Catholic, I can respectfully disagree. Your headline is misleading, irresponsible for a journalist, and should be corrected. This was sloppy. I’m unsubscribing.

  • e111w

    What a change from one pope to another! John Paul of Poland is credited with playing a significant role in the demise of the Soviet Union – and thus that sphere of communism. He did not and would not stoop to promote the loss of libeties. It is widely recognized that the Vatican is a mover among things financial, global and idealogically elitist. It continues a centuries old history of promoting unsustainable human population growth (thus poverty) while sqeezing the disinfranchised for payola. We know of the recent pedophilia within the churchs’ clergy. (Could one imagine that the required vow of celibacy serves to be a magnet for sexually aberrant recruits?) There are numerous reasons for which the church heirarchy (in particular) should be suspect. Blind obedience is unwise.

  • 9Spoon9

    Take away his armed details and the “Popemobile”!

    • FLBuck

      Time for me to go to a non-denominational house of worship. His holiness should be preaching the word of God instead of the word of Obama. I surely hope he is not confused between the two !!!

      • 9Spoon9

        The Churches are full of hypocrites. Best wishes for finding a place that fits your spiritual needs and has a congregation of folks with some moral integrity!

        • victoriadelacy

          If you want a good church that adheres to Biblical principles while striving to meet the spiritual needs of the congregation with true integrity, check out your local Independent Baptist Church. Throughout my life, I have been a member of Catholic churches (having been born into a family where that was the prevailing practice), then Lutheran and finally Baptist, both Southern and Independent and it is my opinion that you do not get any stronger church on both godly love and sound doctrine than you will find in your local Independent Baptist Church, which tends to be the people caring, Jesus sharing church in every community.

          • ChillaKilla

            It is a truism that protestants, rather than being ‘sound doctrine seekers’ are people who go around ‘church-hoping’ in an effort to find a place that suits their own ‘pre-conceived’ notions of what is ‘truth’ and makes them comfortable.
            That is, they individually, and according to their own devices, hold to a concept of what is ‘true’ then they simply go from sect to sect seeking a place that accomodates their notions. It is likely that among the 30,000 or so denominations in existence one of them will be able to make them feel good.

      • EMIRCITNA

        LEST WE FORGET that Nancy Pelosi made a bee-line trip to the Vatican to see the Pope in a private meeting; …I would love to have listened-in on that conversation!

        I was raised a Catholic but due to my experiences have left the church simply because I see it as just another money-making business using God as a front!

        An organization as BIG as the Catholic church is just as susceptible to corruption as any other government, as mankind is fallible when there is vast amounts of $$$$$$$$ available from the public!

        “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”
        ~ Thomas Paine

        • ChillaKilla

          EMRCITNA — Re, your comment about La Pelosi visiting the Pope… do you have the full details on that meeting, and are you implying that she went to the Vatican to ‘receive marching orders’? I would suggest that you avail yourself of clear and unbiased information on the subject before you unload what appears to be nothing more than a bigoted, sour-grapes rant from an ex-Catholic.

          It is rightly said that ‘there’s no worst anti-Catholic than an ex-Catholic’,
          especially one who left for reasons of ignorance, indifferentism, cultural and habitual practice, and poorly digested Catechesis, as appears to be your case.

          Now, as far as the CC being “just another money-making business using God as a front” — Please!! I think you confuse us with the crass, money-grabbing prot non-denom ‘operations’ typically spawned within the proddy milieu. What can you tell us about Joel Osteen’s, Rick Warren, Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch (the TBN guy with the pink hair poodle-looking wife), the Lakewood Church in
          Chicago, people like TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar, etc. etc. All these people are nothing more than bible-racketeers who ride in limousines, fly private jets and live personal lives of excess at the expense of those who follow their bible-goguery. How many of these profiteers have you seen inspiring their followers to give up their life for love of Christ and throw themselves into the service of the poor, the sick, the rejects of society, by building dispensaries, orphanages, leprosaries, schools, hospices, etc.? How many have enormous organizations that truly aid those in need in time of war of disaster?

          Better yet, how many times have you yourself done any of that in order to claim the mantle of judge of an organization that with 2000 years in existence has transcended time and major crises, while kingdoms, royal houses, political philosophies and tyrants have failed?

          I would assume you’re on this blog to voice your concern for this country that teeters on the brink of destruction. I would point out that danger has come about in great part because the fragmented religious philosophy of the people who founded it. Americans claim to be bible-believers, “sola-scriptura” people able to “interpret” the bible as the Holy Spirit guides them, regardless of exegetical knowledge or even a modicum of education, which has resulted in philosophical CHAOS. It has been in fact, the lack of solid doctrine and authority that has wrought a divided nation. Let’s see… wasn’t oBlama, the most pro-homo, pro-abort anti-Constitutionalist, handed a second term through
          the vote of 6 million bible-believing evangelicals who ‘voted their PERSONAL understanding of morality’?

          Sure, Catholics voted in great numbers for oBlama as well, but those were CINOs; people who don’t darken the door of a church except during weddings and funerals. Those people will soon be -like you- either atheists or non-denoms because they follow their comfort, rather than a faith they never bothered to learn about.

          Finally, you are right, ANY organization, no matter how big or small is
          susceptible to corruption. We are witnessing that very fact in the present conduct, degradation and possible demise of this country brought about by its corrupt careerist politicians. However, it cannot be argued that despite the failings of many of the people who make up the 1.3 billion who call themselves Catholic, the Church has survived, thrived and even renewed itself during the 2000 years of its existence. That should be proof enough of its authority.

          Further, I would ask you to cite the number of times during crisis and world trouble that entire nations have turned toward ANY of the protestant pastors of the ever-fragmenting prot sects, or toward rabid fanatical imams for guidance and comfort. It is an undisputable truth that despite the fact that the Church has no armies, bombs, technology, or even political power, it is always called upon to mediate.Not only that, but it was instrumental in bringing down the evil empire of communism that had enslaved most of Europe and threatened Latin America for some 70 years!

          Indeed, no John Paul II, no uprising in Poland, no impetus or desire for
          Regan and Thatcher to support or much less invade East Germany and the Soviets, who were the ones propping-up the enslavement of that country and the wall they created.

          Clearly -and much to your chagrin, i’m sure- all the facts cited above along with the words of Jesus on Mt. 18:16 … especially the words to Simon Bar Jonah on v18: “And I tell you, you are Peter (Kepha or rock), and upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH, and the powers of death will not prevail against it…” point more clearly to the fact that the CC is more worthy of credibility than anything that can be said about any other Christian sect necessarily derived from her, or of any other religion that claims to hold a scintilla of ‘truth’, ‘authority’, or to speak for God.

          • EMIRCITNA

            CK, Believe me when I say that I understand your feelings in regards to my post, and I assure you that I fully respect them. ~ BUT, I have had my personal experiences with the Catholic church and at 70 years of age, IT GRIEVES ME to have turned away from it as it was the religeon of my Mother & Grandparents back into antiquity!

            Bottom Line; I got sick and tired of the hypocrisy and solidly-blocked tunnel-vision minds of the hierarchy within the church!

            As for “ignorance”….yes, I left because of THAT also, my friend!

            I’m solidly a Christian and into God’s WORD, but I am NOT part of any man-made religion; to each his own! ~ Peace be with you!

            “My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.”
            ~ Thomas Paine

          • ChillaKilla

            Sorry your experience in the CC was a negative one, BUT anyone would tell you, it’s a foolish thing to throw the baby out with the bath water in any situation. What you are engaging in is an extreme and unfortunate form of generalization I’d have a difficult time believing you do in other situation. Would you for instance refuse help from any doctor, because one of them either treated you unkindly or was an incompetent? I could come up with a million examples of generalization, but ultimately the choice is yours.

            Ignorance of the faith is the cause of many defections, and your mention of “NOT being part of any man-made religion” clearly shows not only your lack of historical and Church knowledge, but ignorance of the book you pride yourself to “be into.”

            The fact is that you would not have had the chance to be either a Christian, or “into God’s Word” had it not been for the Church that preserved Christianity for the world, and gave it the book that provided it with a theological context.
            I see you have a habit of ending your posts with convenient quotes you choose to put an exclamation point on your own, definitely man-made and definitely self-absolving choices. May I suggest you pick up a solidly academic and unbiased book on “The Fathers of the Church”. You might glean from it, along with enough knowledge, and enough convenient phrases to add to your repoertoire, a clear path that traces the origins of the ONLY Church NOT man-made. The ONLY one established by Christ!

          • EMIRCITNA

            “The ONLY one established by Christ!” …..and CORRUPTED by MAN!
            Have a good day, my friend.

          • ChillaKilla

            I hope you know that Christ promised HIS Church PERPETUITY: “The powers of death WILL NOT prevail against it…” He did not promise it that ALL people who called themselves Christian/Catholic would be impeccable.

            Human nature is what it is… fallen, corruptible, prone to sin, but isn’t that precisely why Jesus came to Earth? Had all people become angels and saints after the fall Jesus could have saved Himself the trouble and stayed home; there would have been no need of His coming!

            Happily among sinners, the CC counts also an enormous number of saints. People who not only lived, and are presently living, their life in what is called ‘heroic virtue’. Surely among the 1.3 billion or so people who count themselves as ‘convicted’ members of the Church there are a few million (more perhaps than any number in prot sects) whose lives you neither know, nor should you judge as corrupt, deluded and incapable of discerning whether the Church they love is ‘pulling the wool over their eyes.’ The simple fact that despite the sinners we are, the internal and external conflicts, the heresies that split her, the blood spilled by tyrants who did their utmost to destroy her, from Nero to Henry and Elizabeth, to the French Revolution, to last century’s murdering dictators… the Church abides while those other churches and sects founded by the arrogance of men come and go.

            Unfortunately, you’ve set a standard for yourself not even Jesus claimed. If you in fact read the bible, you must know that not only did He count among the apostles He personally chose (‘I chose you, you did not choose me..’), a bunch of cowards who abandoned Him when His hour came. He chose a zealot and a hated tax collector; He hung out with a woman of notorious ill-repute; He chose as the leader of his band a man who three times denied He ever knew Him; and worst of all, He chose a thief who handed Him to His enemies for 30 pieces of silver! Not only that, but Jesus’ counted among His lineage philandering, murdering and adulterous Kings, and even a prostitute. Being God He was perfectly conscious of the sin that surrounded Him… yet, unlike you He did not despair, turn up His nose and hide Himself in a cave to worship God in His own personal and sinless way.

            With all due respect, the incongruency in what you demand of Christ’s Church is not only a human impossibility but a contradiction to the words He left us in the bible. If, as we know, Jesus said His Church would NEVER perish, even in the midst of sin (‘the powers of death’), then we either believe Him or we do not!

            If we do not, then we are implicitly admitting that He either lied, was confused, or did not know what He was promising. And if Christ did ANY of those things… then neither was He a prophet, much less the Son of God; and not only the Church He founded is a sham, but the words in the book we claim the Holy Spirit inspired are a lie!

            If we have gone that far down the rabbit hole, then… we are about as deep in heresy and lies as the mormons are, because that ridiculous possibility is exactly what they base their religion, and their book of mormon on!

            I choose to remain in the Church Christ founded not because the people in it -including myself- are ALL holy, but because the One who founded it is ALL holy, which assures me I am in the right place. If doubted that.. I’d be no better than Satan who doubted God’s power, and for that was eternally excluded from His presence.

      • ChillaKilla

        FLBuck, Benedict has written something like 100 books, all highly acclaimed for his erudition; in addition to thousands of theological documents, Encyclicals, Pastoral admonition letters, etc. Along with these, during every Wednesday audience, every Sunday when he blesses the people from his window, and every day during the Angelus… he has some sort of biblical message or teaching….
        Tell us, how many of those have you listened to, or could argue that he is not ‘preaching the word of God’?

        • FLBuck

          Proclaiming support for the actions of a tyrant is not my idea of exercising the word of God.

          • ChillaKilla

            This is what is actually written on the Vatican website. The Pope was never involved in the misleading article printed above.
            “But while American society is engaged in this debate of dutiful civil and moral growth, we cannot but widen our gaze to recall that arms, throughout the world, are also instruments for legitimate defense, but surely they are everywhere the main instruments used to bring threats, violence and death”

        • SteveKeys

          ChillaKilla, I agree with you. Why is it that the press and now, disappointingly, Clash Daily, is so eager to take the word of a “spokesperson” and use it to its convenience? The Pope has spoken so many times on the subject of collectivism, moral relativism, the basic right to defend innocent life, and guarding liberty. Just because the Catholic Church is infested with impostors (like Lombardi) posing as people of a Just God, it doesn’t mean the Pope agrees with them. Benedict is a guy who lived the Holocaust. For those who think he’s in lock step with our president’s agenda, in any form, I too recommend doing some reading rather than jump on the Catholic-bashing bandwagon. Wish everyone would keep their eyes on the ball with this issue and not whip up anti-Catholics in to another hate-a-thon.

          • ChillaKilla

            Steve, I think that about 90% of the people venting here either didn’t bother to read the article or, if they did, they have a very limited sense of comprehension. It’s obvious their main objective is to slam the Catholic Church, and this thread on a website with a decidedly evangelical bent offers the perfect opportunity. Add to that the fact that it mentions the Pope, and it’s the perfect vehicle for low intelligence bigots.

  • $29890281

    This left wing article targets the Catholic Church. Anti catholic bigots are very happy to take advantage as you can see.

  • Dean

    THE Pope is not the Vatican, and needs to keep its nose out of our business.

    • ChillaKilla

      Uh… actually, yes, the Pope is the ruler of the Vatican. You could say that without him there would be no Vatican.

  • dntmkmecomoverther

    Well, the Vatican has never liked armed citizens; always a pest for their crusades and inquisitions. Funny how minds never seem to change in the Catholic Church leadership.

    • ChillaKilla

      May I suggest you do a careful reading of history before you post ignorant inanities.

      a) Had it not been for the Catholic Church, who called for the Crusades, not for the purpose of wanton violence aganist musloid troglodytes, but for the defense against the constant harassment, murdering and empire-building pretensions of marauding rag-heads since the time of muhaMAD, not only what is remaining of Palestine, but Europe itself, and by extension the rest of the so called New World discovered much later, would NEVER have come about!

      Muslims have always –since they were dreamed up by a charlatan bedouin– been on the prowl to impose, steal, and acquire through violence what they do not have the intelligence to create themselves.

      Those who cite ‘The Crusades’ as some proof that the CC is an evil monster either ignore or obscure the fact that it was also Catholic Kings in Spain who liberated Europe from the threat of a backward and savage philosophy such as islam that had Spain in its clutches, was on the march toward France and even in 1771 threatened Northern Europe, until defeated in the battle of Lepant.

      b) There was more murdering and violence against Christian believers perpetrated by protestants than by Catholics. Records exist to that effect

      I suggest you read an honest account of the start of the ‘reformation’, which quickly became a war between the various founders of Lutheranism, Calvinism, the Anabaptist, etc. Luther said: ‘I thought I rid myself of a Pope… but instead I see I created one Pope per head.’

      –Luther turned against the German peasants, who originally believed in his rebellion, and sided with the Princes who slaughtered thousands of them.

      –Later, German records list thousands of names of people who were accused of Witchery and burned at the stake for not following whatever sect was in favor by the princes at the time.

      –Calvin savagely persecuted, disemboweled and drowned the Anabaptists who then fleed to England.

      – In England, they were persecuted, beheaded, drawn and quartered and disemboweled by Henry, the Cranmers and Elizabeth for not following the Chruch of England.

      – Along with them, Catholics were equally savaged, murdered and dispossessed of their property by Henry and Elizabeths ministers who coveted the vast holdings of Abbeys, cloisters and lands deeded to the Church by pre-Henry VIII nobles. In fact, most of the present wealthy landowners are descendants of the people who stole lands and treasure from the Catholic Church.

      – The US was founded by protestant people fleeing the persecutions of Elizabeth and the Church of England, not by Catholics.

      So… whose ‘inquisitions’ count more victims?

      Were you an educated person, you might have a clue, rather than showing yourself for the propaganda brainwashed individual your words above portend.

  • Michael

    Gary – ditto. Unsubscribe

  • JD Sparks

    shouldn’t that read:

    Highly Protected Pope, who was a Hitler Youth, Welcomes Obama Gun Control Proposal

  • 7papa7

    Why is it that these people who have armed protection want to take our ability to protect ourselves away? I know, he is only trying to disarm us so that he can easily take over the country and institute his dictatorship and we would not be able to stop him if unarmed. Let the president disarm the secret service who protects him, his wife, his kids, the VP etc. The hypocrisy from this man never ceases to amaze me. I got news for the Marxist in the white house we have as much right to be protected from the bad guys as you do. No matter what Comrade Obama thinks he is NOT better than we the people, in fact most of the people are far more honest and dependable than he is.

  • JesusLovin’AngryCracker

    This is no surprise, considering a pope will likely be the false prophet and leader of the one world religion under the Antichrist. The catholic church is already so apostate and antichrist. The vatican is the city on seven hills, and the catholic church is the whore of babylon. Not saying all catholics are evil; just read an accurate bible and stop believing the lies the priests push out. Have a nice day

    • ChillaKilla

      Too bad my reply to your idiotic comment was excised. But don’t fret, maybe I’ll find a way to let you know how ridiculously stoopid and ignorant your digs at the CC sound. Totally in character with your chosen moniker.

      • JesusLovin’AngryCracker

        Read a bible; trust God, not your pedophile, world-order-supporting, false-idol (mary, rosary, pope, etc) worshiping, pharisee-wanna be priests. Don’t get so hung up on your little doctrines.

        • ChillaKilla

          Could you quote the specific verse within the bible that says something to the effect that a book called ‘the bible’ is anywhere described, anticipated or mapped out in its pages?
          I can bet the farm on you have NO answer, because such a thing is non-existent.

          The fact is that the Bible came from the Catholic Church.
          Consequently, the Catholic Church is the mother of the Bible, and not the daughter…. And guess what that makes the angry children born illegitimately out of her??? Therefore, your ‘angrycracker’ attempts at diminishing the CC show nothing more than the obvious ignorance and inconsistency affecting you.

          So you hate and distrust the CC… yet at the same time, by trusting the authority of the bible, you implicitly trust ‘the authority of the Catholic Church’ who gave it to you! That is an INESCAPABLE conclusion. Isn’t that special?
          Logic and historical facts are on the side of the CC, so spare me your possible attempt at convoluted arguments; they are ‘ipso facto’ nothing more than rehashed propaganda aimed at re-writing history, and proven false time and again by historians of all stripes.

          The Catholic Church — the Church that gathered, discerned and put together the book you worship– was founded at the end of Christ’s
          ministry on earth, or about 29-30 A.D..
          The first book of the New Testament was not even written
          until about 20 years later.
          Therefore, the Catholic Church could not possibly have come from the
          Bible. It was the other way around. Further, every church, sect, denomination, congregation and prayer circle calling itself “Christian” necessarily came out of the CC!!
          By the time Revelation, the last book of the Bible, was written around 100 A.D., the Catholic Church was already under the guidance of its
          fifth Pope, St. Evaristus. Doesn’t that totally chap your hide?
          The final opus came out around 395 AD, from the Councils of Carthage and Hippo.

          So… if the bible is your guide, it follows that without it you’d likely have trouble calling yourself whatever Christian name use to describe your beliefs. The fact is also that, much to your chagrin, putting the bible together could not have been entrusted to any other ‘church’ for simple reasons:
          a) Because prots did not invent themselves until some 16 centuries after Christ. That alone would have deprived them of immediacy to the facts, and of availability to the documents, which were spread out among the various Catholic ‘sees’ or episcopal seats of the ancient world.
          b) Because having a ‘pope per head’ among protestants, it would have been impossible to gather enough sensible people willing to act in consensus to put the bible together. It’s been proven that among your fractious and ever-disintegrating ranks, it’s almost impossible to find even two people who can fully agree on the meaning of a single verse… let alone on sitting in theological harmony to put an entire book together. And isn’t that precisely why there are some 30,000 or so sects among you, with one or two started each week?

          Now, if you can’t wrap your head around the difficult concepts I explained above, don’t strain yourself unnecessarily. I don’t expect you to. It’s obvious that the best you can do is throw angry pot-shots at the ONLY Church Jesus founded, and may I add, with little if any effect. Hope you slowly are able to do away with the anger your posts show, and do your best to retain the lessons instead.

          • JesusLovin’AngryCracker

            you must be high. rewriting history in your own little mind does not make it truth. you are silly.

          • ChillaKilla

            Yawn… two measly lines that simply accuse and disparage but do not engage or present a shred of concrete evidence for any of the accusations. A poor attempt to mask your lack of ability to put forth credible arguments. I will not waste my time any longer with one more sour-grapes anti-Catholic.

  • Gary LeBlanc Sr.

    Dear Holyness, please stay out of politics. We have speration of church and state in this great country.

    • jim

      you are right, Gary; but for the wrong reason. Our founding documents does not, in any way, prevent the church from getting involved, especially to criticize the gov’t. What they do, is prevent the State from sanctioning ONE Church and forcing that on the people, like England did.
      All christians and pastors should be out in the open and vocal about what is happening, just as they did 200-300 years ago, THAT GOV’T IS REPLACING GOD!
      Romans 13 in NO WAY tells us to submit to evil, illegitimate gov’t that is trying to force God out of our lives and replace it with evil, man-made tyranny. The Bible, in it’s entirety tells us quite the opposite.
      Focusing on one Bible verse or passage of verses and building a doctrine on that, while ignoring what the rest of the Bible has to say on the subject is what “cults” do.

  • BrassRing

    You no playa da game, you no make-a da rules!
    Last time I looked, the Vatican was still protected by Swiss Guards, I don’t have that luxury.
    Mind your own damn business

    • ChillaKilla

      Ooooh yes… the fearsome Swiss Guards who are outfitted with ancient weapons such as halberds, and dressed in elaborate 16th C costumes that would more hinder than help in a fire-fight; they are certainly worthy of fear!

  • metheoldsarge

    No surprise to me. When you consider that the Vice President, New York Governor and quite a few gun grabbing politicians in this country are Catholic, the Pope knows what side of the bread his butter is on. I wonder how much conscience money those Catholic Hypocrite Politicians are giving to the Church? One day they will all stand before the highest court and be judged by God and His son Jesus. On that day all the money and power they enjoy on Earth will not be there to help them. If they think they are going to Heaven, they better have their Heaven on Earth. I’m sure that Lucifer will welcome them with open arms.

    • ChillaKilla

      Are you a personal friend, or confidant of the politicians you mention so that you are able to gauge the level of committment each one of them has to their ‘proclaimed faith’?
      If not, being a former member of the military, I would assume you were taught not to act on speculation or pre-suppositions.
      I would posit that in the case of those CINO politicians you mention and know not, you know little of what you’re talking about, and therefore you should put a lid on your opinion which does little to inform, and much to show you’re just venting.

      • metheoldsarge

        All politicians live in a fishbowl. You don’t have to be a personal friend or confidant to know about them. All you have to do is follow the media and not just FOX. Just before the 2009 Inauguration Biden received communion at Holly Trinity to a standing ovation. All you have to do is research the Catholic politicians and see how they publicly practice their faith and some, like Polosi, make a big show of it. Now lets take a look at how the President is forcing other Christian faiths as well as Catholics to go against their religious beliefs. You have forcing contraception and abortions on demand in Christian hospitals. Christian military chaplains are being ordered by the President to preform same sex marriages or face Court Martial. Pressure is being brought on the civilian churches and ministers or priests to do the same. Muslims are exempt from all of this. In the 112th Congress there were 24 Senators who are Catholic. Fifteen are Democrat and nine are Republican. That is almost half the Senate. In the 113th Congress there are 161 Representatives that are Catholic. Only five more than the 112th Congress. That is 30.4 per-cent. If all the Catholic politicians in Congress put aside the party affiliations and joined together, they could put a stop to this. I am sure that other Christian politicians would join them. Instead they have either jumped on Obams’s band wagon or sat back and did nothing. I understand that the Pope would be in favor of gun control and against violence. I have no problem with that. With the crazy people out there, I understand that he needs protection. He also appears to be kissing up to our Catholic politicians who seem to be joining the President, or condoning, what looks like a war against Christianity. Instead he should be x-communicating them . If all this isn’t hypocrisy tell me what it is.

        • ChillaKilla

          It is a fact that oVomit has been tremendously successfully in creating a deep division among the Catholic population since his first election, in great part aided by politicians who call themselves ‘Catholic’ without the trouble of following Church doctrine.
          That division has created discomfort and scandal among people who have become offended at the conduct of these rogue Catholics who use their faith for show, or for their own convenient purposes. However,it has been a while since the CC has engaged in a public display of seriously reprimanding its sinners, or as some would like to call it, EXCOMMUNICATING unfaithful Catholics. Highly public acts of that nature would bring enormous reaction from the liberal secular press, and perhaps turn away more people, which is not worth the risk.
          If you have ever read the Catechism which is considered the theological ‘constitution’ of the CC, which clearly says that NO ONE WHO ADVOCATES, PROMOTES OR ENGAGES IN THE MURDER OF INFANTS IN THE WOMB IS WORTHY OF APPROACHING THE ALTAR, you will find that conduct such as the one engaged in by rogues such as Sebelius, Biden, Pelosi, the various Kennedys, etc. has already dictated their fate. They have self-excommunicated, and their penalty for for receiving Communion is sacrilege, or eternal death– unless of course they repent and seek absolution and a sincere change in their life and conduct. The Church is not in the business of publicly condemning people, but of bringing them to repentance and salvation.
          May I suggest you discard the article above which has created this discussion, and direct yourself to the Vatican website to read for yourself that the Pope was not involved in the gun control diatribe this website, by using a malevolent source, has guiltyly implied he was involved in.

  • Crashaxe

    Is it just me or can anyone else see the evil in this mans face and eyes?

    • ChillaKilla

      And the reply to EMIRCITNA goes equally for you.

  • EMIRCITNA

    THIS CURRENT POPE has the most EVIL looking eyes of any that I have known before him! ~ Does anyone else concur?

    • ChillaKilla

      Boy… I wasted my time on a reasonable reply to you on another post. I see you are an eedjit for all intents and purposes.

      • EMIRCITNA

        DID YOU READ my reply back to you?

        As for THIS reply you gave me, I can only say that you are entitled to your own opinions, and if you see me as an “eedjit” than you certainly don’t see what some of us see in your current Pope’s eyes and expressions, my friend.

        That’s OK, though as I understand that not all people are gifted by God with eyes to see or the ears to hear to be able to discern good from evil….thus are DECEIVED! ~ Have a nice evening; discusion OVER!

        “The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it.”
        ~ Ayn Rand

  • Silent Hammer

    I’m a PRACTICING CATHOLIC, unlike Biden, Pelosi, Cuomo, etc. They are “cinos”, and do not represent me. I agree — the Pope did not do the indorsing. I think being a German, and remembering Hitler’s seizure of citizens’ weapons will guide him to do just the opposite. As for the Vatican, I say, “Stay out of it,” unless you want to jump in on the side of individual freedoms of the citizens of the U.S. We ALL know that Hussein is a bald-faces lying hypocrite, Reid is a money-grubbing, sucking panderer, and the others are liars. It,s time we individual citizens cut them off and take up for ourselves. This is OUR country. WE do not kill children — either in the schools or in the WOMB. Yes, these people will probably burn in Hell. But until that time, I will not go to the slaughter as a lamb! Neither should you.

  • Bill Weston

    Lombardi is ostensibly representing the papal viewpoint. Certainly the stated goal of reducing violence has merit. In light of the church’s record in politics however, I wonder about the wisdom of the same. “Thou shall not kill” is still a valid commandment, yet people, including christians, have the right to self defense and the obligation to protect life. Perhaps the church should “render unto ceasar what is ceasar’s and render unto GOD what is GOD’s”. Fortunately, JESUS is sitting on HIS throne. Otherwise HE just might be rolling over in his grave.

  • a_browning

    I would have thought that with the Pope being German, that he would understand what happens when gun control is happens. This Pope has now become suspicious and possibly corrupt. What kind of deal did the Pope and Obama cut to get the Pope to support Obama Gun Control?

    • ChillaKilla

      Did you read the actual article, or are you just flying solo on idiotic suppositions?

      • a_browning

        I looked at some other comments that you made on the article. I am going to choose to believe that you got upset and lost your objectivity and started attacking the commenters out of emotional response. The alternative would be that you are a brainless partisan Obamaton trying to stir up trouble. The first is maybe understandable if offended and defending the Pope or the Catholic Church. The other is completely unacceptable and I will not tolerate it unresponded when attacked for making reasonable comments. Good Day.

        • ChillaKilla

          If you want to resolve the quandary you pose to yourself on your post, I suggest you read all my comments and thereby get the answer.
          The possibility that I might be an ‘obamaton’ is as far from me ‘as the heavens are from the earth’. I don’t know what gave you that idea.
          My quarrel is with the people who brought to this site a totally misleading article extracted from one of the most discredited rags: the HuffPoo, clearly manipulated to create a particular reaction.
          The people on this webside used it for their own purposes as well, disregarding truth in order to bring eyeballs. That is a total lack of integrity!
          One would expect that we, in the ‘right wing’, already constantly deprived of truth, respect, and unbiased journalism on the MSM, would be able to find some of that on websites like this one. Instead, what this article shows is a self-serving intent of SENSATIONALISM.
          Shame on you people in charge of this site!!! You are no better than those you criticize on the other side!

  • dang

    all the clergy sold out to the media and the culture decades ago. they stand for nothing anymore. sit, stand, sit, stand, kneel, listen to meaningless scripture you have heard a thousand times, sing songs that are 200 years old and too long, come to supper on wednesday, sunday school before sunday church, bible study, christmas party. but learn nothing about how the media and the culture wants nothing to do with you and corrupted our nation. and dont forget to tithe. for what? in the not too distant churches in the us, like in europe, will be empty and use primarily for musical concerts. too bad. it did not have to be this way. the pope is irrelevant.

  • JPW

    The RIGHT direction would be the Pope consecrate RUSSIA, as per BVM’s request. (Fatima message). Interestingly, PRAVDA recently commented: ” … keep your guns”. If any country knows the perils of Marxism, it would be Russia: ‘ .. never give up a certainty for an uncertainty’ , i.e. – the former USSR !

  • victoriadelacy

    It seems to me he is somewhat uninformed regarding the actual nature and scope of the problem, in addition to which is the fact that our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights should not be violated unless the prospective gun owner has a record of violence or is on psychiatric drugs. The drugs are involved in 90% of these shootings, so how about going after the drugs instead of the guns? When a person is murderous they will use anything including knives and even their own hands, so you cannot credibly blame the guns for the crimes committed by a part of society which seems to be vulnerable to becoming homicidal and suicidal under the influence of those medications. Check out “the dangers of psychiatric drugs” at You Tube for a complete education on the matter, then please do pass the information along to the head of the Catholic church. A lot of folks are just as underinformed in the matter as it sadly appears he is and need to hear the rest of the story.

  • Take 2

    Hey Pope! Obama wants the billions Rome is extracting from US. ha ha ha ha dope.

  • ALL AMERICAN

    I worship by prayer… and the Catholics just made a very very bad name for themselves by nor supporting a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to SELF DEFENSE by ARMING ONE’S SELF.

  • pmonly

    I am catholic though I separated myself from the church many years ago. When I saw that the church was being run more like a business and the people basically left out of considerations it was time for me to leave. I still believe in the catholic religion in general . I don’t feel that I need to be in a particular building for God to hear my prayers. He hears me no matter where I’m praying. Some people consider me a non-practicing catholic, because I don’t sit in the same building with them when I pray. I consider myself a practicing catholic by the way I live my life and feel that a lot of “church going people” are not truly christians of any kind. Unfortunately (just like in politics) a lot of the higher ups do not still practice being christian. They’re too busy complying with church politics to remember to care about what the church ‘s role in the community is supposed to be. Sad, sad, sad.

    • ChillaKilla

      I would be curious as to what type of judgment you receive when your time is up and you give Peter the same diatribe about ‘talking to God on your own’ without feeling the need to worship as Jesus Himself worshipped… in the synagogue of whatever community he happened to be in, as well as disdaining His effort to come down to earth to BUILD HIS CHURCH. Yes the one that the powers of death would never prevail against.
      May I recommend reading Mt.18:15-17 and concentrate specifically on v17 to see who Jesus thought had the last word on ‘authority.’
      Also look up Tim 3: 15 where Paul declares that it is ‘the church’ (not a book that had yet to be written), who is ‘the pillar and bulwark of truth.’

  • horseridingplains

    Pathetic–should have had more than Pelosi talking to him–guns are not the issue- sick people are–most of them democrats when you actually look at the shooters–all alligned with the demorats.

  • gypsy314

    The pope should take care of his own house maybe he would be able to keep some of his flock from leaving the house of cover up of sick mind priest. Obama is in trouble and hopefully Americans will be rid of the tyrant Obama.

  • doug schexnayder

    Spiritual utopians (I am a cradle Catholic)…tend to use heart over heart too much…guns protect him and saved us in WW2 etc…save hundreds of lives in America every year…individuals kill, guns do not…forks cause obesity of course.
    This is like thinking actors and jocks are some kind of gifted political minds…NOT.
    Churches live in their own utopia until reality hammers them…and how in the world can a Pope be on the side of a known no limits abortionist/homo marriage guy like OzBama?

    • doug schexnayder

      I meant heart over brain/factual data

  • Buck

    I don’t care , I am NOT a Catholic , nor does him telling the Catholics how to worship GOD bother me . After all , you can’t convince me he got re-elected without any Catholic votes .

  • ChillaKilla

    To the moderators on this thread:

    I’d like to know why it is kosher for fundamentalist bigots to slam the Catholic Church because of a misleading and badly written article such as the one above, yet, it is not OK for those of us who respond to them.

    Your posting policy is clear “We have no tolerance for comments containing violence, racism, vulgarity, profanity, all caps, or discourteous behavior. Thank you for partnering with us to maintain a courteous and useful public environment where we can engage in reasonable discourse.” Yet you do not apply it to anti-Catholic bigots.
    If you are going to censor Catholics for replying shouldn’t you be honest and put a warning on your site: “Catholics may not apply” ?

    • pmonly

      Chilla you seem to have a lot of misguided anger. I see no censorship of Catholics here. Like I said before, I am Catholic. You seem to have no tolerance for anyone who doesn’t do things exactly as you think they should.. You can find in the Catholic Bible( that you’re trying to quote from in your reply to me) to say that the bible is not a pillar of truth! Anyone, through their own interpretation, can find something to “prove” their pro or con on any subject. That’s why there are so many false prophets. As far as the way I pray, I truly feel sorry for you if you feel God only cares about you or listens to you when your in church. I feel I have a very rewarding and personal relationship with God. I hope someday you will feel this too, no matter where you are. Then maybe you won’t feel the need to make people conform to the way you do things. You just may have your eyes opened to see that there is more than one way to keep God and goodness in your heart.

      • ChillaKilla

        Really? Well, I’m glad that you’ve appointed yourself as the right hand man/woman of the Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent God, and that as such you have been able to read the posts I wrote in response to an umitigated moronBigot that goes by the moniker “JesusLovin’AngryCracker” Those were excised by the censor. So tell me, in your all-knowing and all-seeing way, what did you think about them? You seem to be brimming with opinions.

        As for your mention of ‘the Catholic Bible’ I am “trying” to quote in response to you… Wait… I didn’t know the verse I quoted differed significantly from the one you read in your ‘protestant bible’! In fact, I’m sure they are exactly the same!
        May I suggest you read that particular verse carefully and tell me what Paul has to say about who exactly is ‘the pillar and bulwark of truth’. At the same time, use a bit of that brain God gave you to figure out whether around the year 60/64 AD, during the time Paul lived, the bible had been gathered from all the writers and churches of the ancient world, and had been put together as you presently know it (by the Catholic Church no less, except for the additional seven books proddys call ‘the Apocrypha’ which were included in it for 1500 years, until they were and out by Luther because they did not fit his theories on salvation.

        May I also suggest that you save your ‘I feel sorry for you’ and apply it to your judgmental, self-righteous self. Neither do you know me, nor do I believe you -despite the rewarding relationship you claim to have with God- know what my own relationship is with Him. My intent is not, as you say, to ‘make people conform with my way of doing things,’ but to defend the Church Jesus founded from the constant attacks to which it is subjected on websites like this one, day in and day out! Have you heard of the concept of ‘apologetics’? It’s been around since the early times of Christianity, and particularly around the times when the earliest heresies were being combatted by Polycarp, Athanasius and Augustine, etc… approximately the same time the bible was being put together by Catholic bishops and theologians.

        • pmonly

          Chilla, Chilla, Chilla….you are just like a liberal dem, chastising people by trying to belittle them, stating falsities, and trying to convince us that your nastiness makes your ridiculous twisted rants the one and only truth! lol, It’s like trying to have an intelligent conversation with someone who is ill-equipped. First off, Jesus did not only pray inside a building, second he came to build his church which was not referring to a building but a following of people whom he taught the ways of his father,our God. Third, I find it offending that you refer to me as being appointed the right hand of God( not said by me=falsity) I find your remarks blasphymous. I also have never said I was all-knowing or all-seeing.( anther falsity to try to convince someone your right in your judgments) I’ve never claimed to know you except from what you yourself have told me. You said I was wrong to pray outside of a church building, which means you feel you can only pray inside of a church building. I feel you are wrong. Every church I’ve been in has a prayer circle or group where they pray at home for the sick. I guess that your’s does not, as that would go against your principles and God would not hear them anyway because according to you, they’re not doing it right. You say your intent is to defend the church Jesus founded, yet your words shout your lie. Your conversations with people that I have seen on this sight have been filled with hypocricy. You have not shown any christian faith or decency to anyone you have responded to. It seems to me that you are trying to be something you’re not. Could it be that you are just trying to make the Catholic faith look bad. Are you a sheep in wolf’s clothing? No need to answer. I think you’ve shown your true colors. Even though you don’t believe in it , I do , so I will pray for you tonight in hopes that God will open your eyes and your heart that you can see and feel the goodness in others so you will be able to respond in kind next time someone wishes to converse with you.

  • $9913635

    We are being ruled by WICKED MEN.

    We NEED TO BE ARMED so they keep their WICKEDNESS to themselves.

    GET OFF OUR BACK Barry Saetoro and your sorry bunch of communist idiots.

  • shef

    Screw that homo

  • Joel

    Massacres and senseless deaths? What about the inquisition? That’s why the pope likes the “step in the right direction”. The pope and obama has something in common>

  • Susan

    Many popes have warned of the evil of socialism/Marxism and the “collective” societies which destroy the dignity and respect for the individual–which take away Natural Rights, The pope should know better, because of the thousands of years of Catholic Theology and ideas of subsidiarity and the autonomy of the family unit, and the necessity of private property for freedoms. The pope knows that “gun control” means slavery. He was in Nazi Germany when registration and gun confiscation happened—like it always does because of the Leviathan and evil and corruption of government.

  • Public_Citizen

    This from the man who holds the office responsible for the single largest death toll [in terms of percentage of total human population if not absolute numbers] since the fall of the Roman Empire. For those of you not well up on world history I’m referring to The Crusades, a multiple centuries long bloodbath of killing, rape, and pillage.
    The same man who is constantly surrounded by a band of machine gun toting mercenaries known as “The Varangian Guard” [again, go to your world history and study up on Swiss Mercenaries in the Middle Ages].

  • Kilroy Was Here

    Doug, (Clash Daily) I am disappointed that you used the HuffPo as a legitimate source for “news”. Please visit the source http://www.news.va/en/news/lombardi-editorial-against-arms and realize that even some Catholics in high places are confused and drunk on their own powerful position. If you read one against the other you will see where HuffPo took liberties with even this relatively inaccurate Editorial.

    I will not try to answer for Catholics who believe that people have somehow magically turned into perfect angels in the face of reality. Anyone who would congratulate Obama, who is NOT named in this editorial, needs to consider that he is a man who believes in infanticide, eldercide, and immoral and abominable acts. This is not someone that I would want to encourage.

    So please, do some fact checking before splashing the eye catching headlines to lure people who might want to call you anti-Catholic in light of the truth.

  • ChillaKilla

    The article above was culled from the HuffPoo’s archives. That cyber-rag –the equivalent of The Sun, The Enquirer and various other supermarket scandal-mongering sheets written for the uneducated, the mentally defficient, and the shallow– commonly uses and twists the words of the Vatican to suit its purposes. When convenient to their cause, as they tried to portray them in this case… they push their value. When not convenient.. they use them to divide Catholics against the Church, to bring ‘eyeballs’ to their site, and to form or cement whatever negative slant they want to impart on their viewers.
    It is obvious that in using them as a source, this particular site is actually no better than they are.

  • Benton Bain

    The Papacy changed Gods day of worship and rest from the 7th day of the week Saturday the Sabbath to the first day of the week Sunday in 321AD by Constantine.

    The following are all quotes from Catholic sources:

    Prompta Bibliotheca Papa art 2 “The Pope can modify divine law.”

    The Catholic Record 9-1-1923 declared “Sunday is our mark of authority. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact”.

    The Catholic World march 1984 p.809 “Sunday is dedicated to Baldar” – (Baldar is Satan).

    Pope Boniface VIII in his Bull Unam Sanctum (declared he was God when he stated) “I am able to do all that God can do. What therefore can you make of me but God?”

    Catechism II The Lord’s Day 2174 “First day of the week, We all gather on the day of the sun.”

    In his Presence, FW Kenyon p92 ” We are the masters of Satan, and that Satan recognizes that in the name of Jesus we are his rulers” p95 “We are taking Jesus’ place.”

    Catechism 2066 “The 10 Commandments have been changed by St. Augustine which become tradition by Catholics.”

    Decretal De Translat. Espiscop. Cap. “The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and dispense with all things, even precept of Christ.”

    SC Mosna, Storia della Domenica, 1969 p366-367 “Not the Creator of the Universe, in Genesis 2:1-3, but the Catholic Church can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every 7 days.”

    The Catholic Mirror, 12-23-1893 “Reason and common sense demand acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy Saturday, or Catholicity and keeping holy Sunday. Compromise is impossible.”

    Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers -92nd ed rev Baltimore: John Murphy Co. p89 “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelations, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day we never sanctify.”

    American Catholic Quarterly Review Jan 1883 “The Sunday is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.”

    American Catholic Sentinel June 1893 “Sunday it is a law of the Catholic Church alone.”

    Monsignor Louis Segar, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today p213 “The observance of Sunday by Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church.”

    The Catholic Mirror Sept 9, 1893 “Those who follow the Bible as their guide, the Israelites and the 7th Day Adventists have the exclusive weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word on self defense for substitution of Sunday for Saturday.” “The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher. who can find no warrant in its pages for the change of the day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation Seventh Day Adventists.”

    The Question Box, The Catholic Universe Bulletin Aug 14, 1942 p4 ” The Catholic Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by the right of divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestants claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the 7th Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.” – (The Catholic Church’s Jesus Christ is the other Christ, the Anti-Christ: Lucifer = Satan = Devil).

    Catholic Encyclopedia Vol 12 art Pope p265 “Thou art a priest forever: says the ordaining bishop. He is no longer a man, a sinful child of Adam, but an “Alter Christus”, an other Christ. Forever a priest of the Most high with power over the Almighty.” “This judicial authority will even include the power to pardon sin.”

    The Catholic National July 1895 “The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ him self, hidden under veil of flesh.”

    Dignities of the Priests Vol 12 p27, ” God Himself is obliged to abide by judgment of His priests, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse, or give absolution. The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it.”

    Extracts from Ferraris’ Ecclesiastical Dictionary Article of the Pope “The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is likewise, the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. So if it were possible that angles might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope.”

    On Authority of Council Vol2 p266 “All names which in Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that he is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.”

    Rome As It Is p180 “Given in Rome from our palace, 10th Feb 1817 the XIV Jurisdiction of the most holy Pontiff and Father of Christ and our Lord our God the Pope, Leo XII.”

    The Great Encyclical Letters of the Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter 6-20-1894 “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.”

    Catholic Encyclopedia V4 p153 “The Church after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath or 7th day of the week, to Sunday (Lords Day).”

    The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine 1957 p50

    “Q. Which is the Sabbath?

    A Saturday is the Sabbath day.

    Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

    A. “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”

    The Catholic Record Sept 1, 1923 “Sunday is our Mark of Authority. The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” – (THIS IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!)

    Catholic World Mar 1894 p809 “She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday. And thus the pagan Sunday dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday sacred to Jesus.” – (Baldar is Satan)

    Faith of Our Fathers (Cardinal Gibbons) “Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act, and the act is a Mark of her ecclesiastical power.”

    William Doyle, Shall I be a Priest? p14 “The poor sinner kneels at his confessors’ feet. He knows he is not speaking to an ordinary man but to Another Christ.”

    The Story of American Catholicism p37 “It has often been charged that Catholicism is overlaid with many pagan incrustations. Catholicism is ready to accept that accusation and even to make it her boast. The great god Pan is not really dead, he is baptized.”

    Babylon Mystery Religion Ancient and Modern p129 “The host, from the Latin meaning the victim or sacrifice. Historian Bishop says the round wafer whose roundness is so important in Romish Mystery, is only another symbol of Baal, or the Sun.” – (Baal is Satan, or worship of the sun god)

    The Catholic World Mar 1984 p809 “The sun was the foremost god with heathendom, hence the Church, would have said keep the old pagan name. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified, and thus Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus.”

    Father Enright, American Sentinal, June 1893: “The Bible says remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic church.”

    The Thunder of Justice: “The Remedy: This is the place where we see many of the root causes of our problems. It is the Commandment of “Keeping the Sabbath Holy.”

    The Roman Decretalia: “He (the Pope) can pronounce sentences and judgments in contradiction to the rights of nations, to the law of God and man. He can free himself from the commands of the apostiles, He being the superior, and from rules of the Old Testament.”

    http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2010/06/amazing-testimony-about-origin-of-islam.html : Alberto Rivera claimed that Cardinal Bea personally instructed him in the origin of Islam. According to Rivera, the Roman Catholic Church started Islam on purpose to take the Arabs under their control and secure Jerusalem.

    The Islam Prophet Muhammad married Khadija, when he was 25 and she was 40. Khadija lived in a Roman Catholic convent, so we can call her a Roman Catholic Nun.

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    Vatican = Divining serpent or the dragon which is Satan, Vatis = diviner & can = serpent. The dragon is on the papal crest in the Vatican Museum.

    The Pope’s Crown Mitre has on it “VICARIUS FILII DEI” which is 666, The Number of the Beast (explanation can be found in many locations such as http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/666.htm

    • ChillaKilla

      Oh, and BTW Benton, the roots for your ‘Vatican” translation come from which language? Can you explain, or will I end up hearing crickets?
      As for your ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’ fable… I can prove to you that the 666 numerology fable describes Ellen G White more so than the application attempted on the Pope, since that is not a title EVER claimed or applied to the Pope.
      I’ll find the whole amusing explanation and bring it for your enjoyment, OK?

    • ChillaKilla

      A typical 7th day advenToast screed borrowed not only from 1001 night’s tales, from every possible source that promises to absoutely detest the CC. Dontcha love it…looks like the ‘copy and paste feature on this guy’s computer gave him a pass on having to use your brain (if there was any there to begin with).

      I happen to be well acquainted with the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred Advos have for the CC. In fact, my better half used to be one of them, until reason won over the force-fed indoctrination from his family who happened to be in the higher echelons of that pathetic church. As is usual with dogmatic, apocalypse- obsessed cults, their children have slowly but surely abandoned it. There’s just so much doomsday blather and scare-tactics any kid can take before becoming absolutely sickened, and not only abandon the phony, repressive, puritanical cult itself, but abandon ‘religion’ altogether. And that is the sad part.

      And what can be expected to come out from the diseased mind of a menopausal hag like Ellen G, who not only borrowed her ‘theology’ from the Russellites and her vegetarian diet and no-caffeine menu ideas from Joe Smith of the mormons (while she secretly gorged on crab and lobster)… but declared herself a ‘prophetess’ after being hit on the head with a rock. Mmm..isn’t that special!

      What is most annoying about the people who belong to this sect is that they consider it their life’s work to attempt to legitimize their church, not by proving through Christian deeds why the ‘gospel’ they preach is sound…. but by doggedly trying to prove their church is ‘good’ because the Catholic Church they thoroughly, absolutely and unequivocably HATE is soooooo bad!!! Meanwhile the CC could give a flying rat’s patootie about their insignificant existence!

      So to you, tantrum-prone-meant-to-get-attention Advos… good luck with trying to scratch, claw, stomp the floor, bang your head on the wall and make a dent on the ONLY CHURCH CHRIST FOUNDED… we’ll start to worry about you when your pathetic cult manages to reach the ripe age of 1000 years… at the very least.

    • ChillaKilla

      In view of the insistent spamming made by adventists with their flawed “VICARIUS FILII DEI” argument, the following should answer it.

      To anyone with an interest in applied numerology, and the time and inclination to delve into the quasi-esoteric CON proposed on the so-called “VICARIUS FILII DEI” argument, the explanation goes as follows:

      Latin, Greek and Hebrew have numerical values assigned to various letters in their alphabets. In this particular case, since the supposed Papal title is in Latin, I will use the actual Latin values, which are:

      I=1

      V=5

      X=10

      L=50

      C=100

      D=500

      M=1000

      By extension, W=10, because the letter is a double V, as in VV, or two Vs together.

      Further, because there was no letter U in the ancient Roman alphabet, wherever the letter U appears it is substituted for the letter V instead, resulting in a value of 5 for every U used (Ignore letters which are not assigned a numerical value, or use 0 for them)

      Thus, applying those values to the Latin word VICARIUS (V+5, I=1, C=100, A&R=0, I=1, U=V=5, S=0), the sum of the letters equals = 112

      Reapeating the same exercise with the word FILII the numerical result is =53,

      finally, for the word DEI the letters give us a total equal to = 501

      The result, for Adventist’s purposes is: 112+53+501… (drum roll please!!) = 666, the dreaded number of the anti-Christ!!

      The problem comes when no matter how high and low anyone searches (and it’s apparent that Adventist haven’t bothered to do much of that, because they keep on plastering the false tale every chance they get), neither do those word appear on any hat, tiara or crown the Pope has ever used, nor have the words VICARIUS FILII DEI EVER been a title used by, or given to the object of their hatred.

      The actual titles of the Pope –among others– are SERVUS SERVORUM (Servant of those who serve God), and VICARIUS CHRISTI, a title that is closest to the fanciful one attributed to him by Adventists.

      But…. And this is a BIG BUT! This last title does not accommodate Adventists, since VICARIUS CHRISTI adds up to only a measly 214… and NOT the infernal 666 which they so desire!

      However, just to even things up, let us apply the same numerical exercise to the name of Ellen Gould White, the name of the foundress of the 7th Day Advs.

      E=0, L=50, L=50, E=0, N=0 =100

      G=0, U=V=5, L=50, D=500 =555

      W= V+V=10, H=0, I=1, T+E=0 = 11

      Surprise, surprise…!! Wouldn’t you know it…t he letters in the name of Ellen Gould White , HER REAL NAME actually add up to 666 !!!

      So what are we Christian/Catholics to make of that extremely fortuitous circumstance? You be the judge!

  • Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

    This man doesn’t know what end is up. Pay him no mind.

  • momham33

    The Pope should re-think this endorsement if that is what it is. The American Catholic church is reaping the “rewards” of endorsing the Healthcare Mandate by having the abortion/contraception issue forced down their throats. This administration and many Democrats (and Republicans, sad to say) are more concerned with maintaining power than respecting individual rights and beliefs. The Catholic church in recent years has abdicated it’s responsibilities to the governement for the sake of money – 30 pieces of silver? – and in turn while “helping” the poor the government has spit in the face of basic Catholic beliefs. Jesus wants individuals to take responsibility for their “brothers” NOT for us to turn over money to large institutions or governments and relieve ourselves of the burden. It’s a farce. They advocated for healthcare and now want us to pray that we won’t be forced to pay for birth control and abortions. They refuse to condemn the actions of Biden and Pelosi – pro “choice” Catholics. We should not be forced into nationalized healthcare that isn’t going to enhance healthcare but will actually make us ALL universally underserved. Rather than give the poor the opportunity to make a better path for themselves it seems that we are attempting to make everyone equally miserable.

  • halberst

    The US Supreme Court and other US courts that have affirmed the rights of gun owners in the US disarm civilians before they enter the court. The same court has affirmed disarming civilians in other federal buildings. And one argument in favor of firearm ownership is to protect us from Government (them). Similarly ironic, eh?

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