About the author: Donald Joy

Following his service in the United State Air Force, Donald Joy earned a bachelor of science in business administration from SUNY while serving in the army national guard. As a special deputy U.S. marshal, Don was on the protection detail for Attorney General John Ashcroft following the attacks of 9/11. He lives in the D.C. suburbs of Northern Virginia with his wife and son.

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  • Timothy Adams

    So Mr. Joy, you protected the criminal John Ashcroft, gee, guess it’s obvious what your job really is. Last time I checked btw, the UCMJ states obeying illegal orders is a crime as well, so war criminals and the protectors of criminal traitors of the American people are not the opinions I care about. In fact, I look forward to a future where these criminals are removed from our society along with the thugs who pay them.

    • Mr. Fubo

      You sound like an OWS, islamo-marxist jackwad whining about Ashcroft and rubbing your pants over Kokesh trying to get our men to dessert as he mached with Code Pink and sent hunderdds of thaousnds of dollards to the jihadis who were killing our men.

      Why don’t do the world a favor and choke on your copy of Howard Zinn and Karl Marx.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      What “illegal orders”? You really want to debate the Iraq war again? You’ll lose, don’t bother.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      What “illegal orders”? You really want to debate the Iraq war again? You’ll lose, don’t bother.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      What “illegal orders”? You really want to debate the Iraq war again? You’ll lose, don’t bother.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      What “illegal orders”? You really want to debate the Iraq war again? You’ll lose, don’t bother.

  • Timothy Adams

    So Mr. Joy, you protected the criminal John Ashcroft, gee, guess it’s obvious what your job really is. Last time I checked btw, the UCMJ states obeying illegal orders is a crime as well, so war criminals and the protectors of criminal traitors of the American people are not the opinions I care about. In fact, I look forward to a future where these criminals are removed from our society along with the thugs who pay them.

  • SGinNC

    Best case scenario if you go: You are arrested, your weapon confiscated and you are left with a Felony which keeps you from voting, holding a good job, owning a gun or concealed carry.

    Worst case scenario: Police and military fire on the attendees because someone in the crowd triggers an event which results in a National crack down on Conservatives and pro 2nd Amendment Patriots.

  • SGinNC

    Best case scenario if you go: You are arrested, your weapon confiscated and you are left with a Felony which keeps you from voting, holding a good job, owning a gun or concealed carry.

    Worst case scenario: Police and military fire on the attendees because someone in the crowd triggers an event which results in a National crack down on Conservatives and pro 2nd Amendment Patriots.

    • DeathB4democrat

      Agreed, this kind of thing can so easily backfire…No doubt the left is salivating at the prospect of such, giving them an excuse to crack down even further…If or when we have an armed march; let it be anything but peaceful.

      • Onteo

        Take toy guns, a bible and copy of the constitution instead

      • Onteo

        Take toy guns, a bible and copy of the constitution instead

        • TexasJester

          Better idea, cuz cops can think toy guns are real, is to take mannequin arms as a symbolic gesture.

          • DrSique

            Pitch forks???

          • DrSique

            Pitch forks???

          • DrSique

            Pitch forks???

          • DrSique

            Pitch forks???

          • ShallNot B. Infringed

            This is actually the best plan for a demonstration in support of 2A rights in DC (comedy always helps defuse a potentially tense situation while still making a point). Showing up with loaded weapons with thousands of basically strangers being led by a confessed Anarchist who’s goal is the breakdown of society (longterm) & being arrested & causing as much mayhem as possible on the day of the march.

            If the march goes forward & Kokesh succeeds in his goals the best most positive thing that came come out of this is no one dies, but 2A opponents get cannon fodder to disarm the country.

      • Onteo

        Take toy guns, a bible and copy of the constitution instead

    • DeathB4democrat

      Agreed, this kind of thing can so easily backfire…No doubt the left is salivating at the prospect of such, giving them an excuse to crack down even further…If or when we have an armed march; let it be anything but peaceful.

    • DeathB4democrat

      Agreed, this kind of thing can so easily backfire…No doubt the left is salivating at the prospect of such, giving them an excuse to crack down even further…If or when we have an armed march; let it be anything but peaceful.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Someone challenged me to explain why I say it’s a good idea in and of itself. I’d say that if it were not publicly preannounced and hyped as such, not planned in such a way so as to be so easily thwarted, it could work. Marchers should instead just arrive in D.C. under wraps, then muster inside the District and holster/shoulder/sling arms and proceed. With sufficient numbers of protesters, police would be unprepared, and more likely to give marchers a wide berth and deal with them the same way Occupy was dealt with—give them a pass. Or, at least arrest only a small number of “examples.”

      The Tea Party should not call itself that unless it is willing to act in the spirit of the original, and engage in illegal activity on principle, risk arrest and consequences and hardship, etc. Tea Party is NOT about asking permsission, and backing down when permission is not granted , as was the case on Tax Day 2009, when the truckload of teabags intended to be unloaded near the White House was instead obediently turned around and driven back to Virginia, because the U.S. Park Police told the Tea Party organizers that the proper paperwork/permits were not in place. FUBAR

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Someone challenged me to explain why I say it’s a good idea in and of itself. I’d say that if it were not publicly preannounced and hyped as such, not planned in such a way so as to be so easily thwarted, it could work. Marchers should instead just arrive in D.C. under wraps, then muster inside the District and holster/shoulder/sling arms and proceed. With sufficient numbers of protesters, police would be unprepared, and more likely to give marchers a wide berth and deal with them the same way Occupy was dealt with—give them a pass. Or, at least arrest only a small number of “examples.”

      The Tea Party should not call itself that unless it is willing to act in the spirit of the original, and engage in illegal activity on principle, risk arrest and consequences and hardship, etc. Tea Party is NOT about asking permsission, and backing down when permission is not granted , as was the case on Tax Day 2009, when the truckload of teabags intended to be unloaded near the White House was instead obediently turned around and driven back to Virginia, because the U.S. Park Police told the Tea Party organizers that the proper paperwork/permits were not in place. FUBAR

      • SGinNC

        I still think that the Libs would love to have this explode in our faces and they could even plant someone to make it happen. A better idea would have been a high profile area that allowed open carry and then you would have gotten a higher number of folks willing to come out and support this. By asking thousands of law abiding folks to bring their weapons to a location where you are now breaking the law carrying a weapon and then of course it is in a city full of Liberals who hate you and want to stop you from owning a gun. If a massacre were to go down and they could say that the first shot was fired from the pro gun nuts, then everyone would suffer, and suffer like they have never suffered before.

        • vanguard7

          Agreed.

        • vanguard7

          Agreed.

        • vanguard7

          Agreed.

        • William P. Homans

          If anyone is planted, SG, it will be someone who the press can say, “he was associated with the left through…..”. If anyone gets shot, sir, it will be marchers shooting back when the provocateur fires (if they are actually permitted to sling up loaded rifles and march, which I find improbable), police standing in the line of fire, crowd (there won’t be almost anything like a crowd, out on a Virginia highway), or press. The provocateur who fires on the march will be explained as a crypto-leftist of some sort, a person who, except for his orders to fire, might be much closer to the thinking of what passes for conservatives today. If one fires on the police who is not part of the group, all the more the authorities will scramble to find a sort-of lefty who fits the profile they need.

          If someone from the group fires on the police, if the police make the huge tactical error of letting them march with loaded rifles, that probably means a shootout and maybe martial law. We hope that our government has not given those orders.

          The Obama Administration is a CONSERVATIVE, center-rightwing outfit. They have no interest in making the right wing suffer. They are their– YOUR– acquiescent fellow-travelers, have been for years. Mr. Obama never ONCE voted against (or even abstained on) a war appropriation in his 2 1/2 years as a Senator. He belongs to you Republicans. You just want faster profits.

        • ShallNot B. Infringed

          Making this a partisan political issue is a misstep, as there are plenty of Democrats, former dems & independents who support the @nd Amendment. The truth is no two people can agree on all political/government issues. Thats why political primaries are such a chaotic circus & often end up picking the worst possible candidate who everyone thinks has “electability” instead of choosing someone with balls to do whats right by the people & our constitution.

          In issues like 2nd Amendment supporters need to leave other opinions at the door in order to come together to achieve the common goal, if not the Anti-gunners will easily succeed. After our common goals have been achieved, then you can go back to beating up on each other. Because that’s exactly where the “Powers At Be” want us! If we’re too busy fighting amongst ourselves, then we’re too busy to notice we’ve been duped. It’s like a magician, while they wave one hand & release a puff of smoke, the other hand is performing the actual trick that no one notices.

          • SGinNC

            I agree with you partly SBI. I have some friends that are Democrat and are definitely pro second amendment. What I am talking about is the Democrat/Socialist parties stance on this topic. There may be individuals in the Democratic party that do not want to have rights snatched away, but the machine that they serve definitely wants it gone.

        • ShallNot B. Infringed

          Making this a partisan political issue is a misstep, as there are plenty of Democrats, former dems & independents who support the @nd Amendment. The truth is no two people can agree on all political/government issues. Thats why political primaries are such a chaotic circus & often end up picking the worst possible candidate who everyone thinks has “electability” instead of choosing someone with balls to do whats right by the people & our constitution.

          In issues like 2nd Amendment supporters need to leave other opinions at the door in order to come together to achieve the common goal, if not the Anti-gunners will easily succeed. After our common goals have been achieved, then you can go back to beating up on each other. Because that’s exactly where the “Powers At Be” want us! If we’re too busy fighting amongst ourselves, then we’re too busy to notice we’ve been duped. It’s like a magician, while they wave one hand & release a puff of smoke, the other hand is performing the actual trick that no one notices.

        • ShallNot B. Infringed

          Making this a partisan political issue is a misstep, as there are plenty of Democrats, former dems & independents who support the @nd Amendment. The truth is no two people can agree on all political/government issues. Thats why political primaries are such a chaotic circus & often end up picking the worst possible candidate who everyone thinks has “electability” instead of choosing someone with balls to do whats right by the people & our constitution.

          In issues like 2nd Amendment supporters need to leave other opinions at the door in order to come together to achieve the common goal, if not the Anti-gunners will easily succeed. After our common goals have been achieved, then you can go back to beating up on each other. Because that’s exactly where the “Powers At Be” want us! If we’re too busy fighting amongst ourselves, then we’re too busy to notice we’ve been duped. It’s like a magician, while they wave one hand & release a puff of smoke, the other hand is performing the actual trick that no one notices.

      • SGinNC

        I still think that the Libs would love to have this explode in our faces and they could even plant someone to make it happen. A better idea would have been a high profile area that allowed open carry and then you would have gotten a higher number of folks willing to come out and support this. By asking thousands of law abiding folks to bring their weapons to a location where you are now breaking the law carrying a weapon and then of course it is in a city full of Liberals who hate you and want to stop you from owning a gun. If a massacre were to go down and they could say that the first shot was fired from the pro gun nuts, then everyone would suffer, and suffer like they have never suffered before.

      • SGinNC

        I still think that the Libs would love to have this explode in our faces and they could even plant someone to make it happen. A better idea would have been a high profile area that allowed open carry and then you would have gotten a higher number of folks willing to come out and support this. By asking thousands of law abiding folks to bring their weapons to a location where you are now breaking the law carrying a weapon and then of course it is in a city full of Liberals who hate you and want to stop you from owning a gun. If a massacre were to go down and they could say that the first shot was fired from the pro gun nuts, then everyone would suffer, and suffer like they have never suffered before.

      • Sharon Morgan

        I would say you’ve got it exactly wrong about the Tea Party. What you are proposing is the Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi concept of the Tea Party… once they got beyond the idiotic notion that it was ‘astroturf’. Everyone that I know who identifies with the movement are law abiding citizens. Those who seek to break the law are the Occupy folks. Laws which are an infringement of inalienable rights are targeted for change via legal means. As it should be.

        Kokesh was also a paid regular on Iranian Press TV. He’s no TP sort. He is an agent provocateur. This ‘march’ idea has got to be one of the more foolish ones ever concocted.

        DC in its entirety, is a Federal property. Many of the areas are under Park Police jurisdiction. As such, to maintain the peace, and ensure peaceful enjoyment by the people, there are specific laws about what can and cannot be done in the designated park areas. Just like his joint venture with Code Pink to dance at the Jefferson Memorial, this hair-brained ‘march’ is a selfish venture that would prove nothing, other than support the erroneous notion that TP folks are scofflaws.

        I seriously question the wisdom and intentions of those who support this ill-conceived and highly unworthy plan.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Kokesh isn’t planning this as a Tea Party thing.

          But regarding your position, why even call it the Tea Party? The whole reason for naming it after the Boston Tea Party was that it was supposed to be a rebellious revolt, as the original was. You are arguing for obedience. Obedience is the opposite of rebellion. Unfortunately most on our side suffer from the same kind of hypnosis, which keeps them arguing against & denouncing political correctness, while nonetheless refusing to say certain words because they’re “offensive,” and chastising others who say them, etc. You can’t have it both ways. Be consistent. On that point, putting his money where his mouth is, I say Kokesh has it right–he is not a hypocrite. I just see him as unfortunately too much in league with our enemies, and to be avoided.

          Now, if you think our legal/government system isn’t so corrupt that you can still effect the necessary change by being obedient, fine. Just don’t call your movement the Tea Party.

          • DoingMoreWithLes

            TEA Party had nothing to do with revolting, It stood for Taxed Enough Already. So CAPITALIZE the damned letters since it is an acronym. We’re not tea drinkers, we’re tired of being over TAXED.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Wrong again

          • DrSique

            Man, I thought you wrote a pretty good article but you really sink fast under the slightest criticism. Too bad.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Golly you don’t suppose a certain someone is merely blind to hyper-sarc?

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Golly you don’t suppose a certain someone is merely blind to hyper-sarc?

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Golly you don’t suppose a certain someone is merely blind to hyper-sarc?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

            Taxed Enough Already….yes, and how many of these “law abiding” citizens (whose “law”?, by the way???) just went ahead and meekly surrendered their hard earned money to the i.r.s. last April….knowing damned full well as they either must have or should have that the entire Title XXVI is rabidly ANTI-Constitutional and that the i.r.s. has never once been anything but an armed collection agency for the federal reserve prank which itself is a totally parasitic foreign owned for-profit-only corporation and not even a “bank” as lawfully defined?

            This is why I get the biggest yuck out of teabaggers and others of the ilk when they use the term “law abiding citizen”—you have any vague notion as to just how many damned “laws” there are in this so called “freedom loving” country? More than there are people—quite numerically there are at least three separate and distinct “laws” for every two people in this country whether here legally or otherwise…a new “law” is written more than once every second. More to the point here—do you know how many federal felonies there now are? Well, if so than you know more than a highly seasoned team of legal scholars who are trying to find out and the best they have been able to come up with so far is “over 4500″. Dr John Baker (ret) former law prof at LSU has stated that there is not one solitary person in America at or above the age of eighteen years who cannot immediately as we speak be arrested for committing a federal felony they most likely never knew existed…we are ALL of us federal felons whether we know it or like it. So my attitude is since we are all outlaws anyway, why not be the deadliest in the nation’s entire history….in the name of the Constitution?

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Of course, they (we) mean we are not criminals of the sort who go around violating others’ rights.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Of course, they (we) mean we are not criminals of the sort who go around violating others’ rights.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

            Taxed Enough Already….yes, and how many of these “law abiding” citizens (whose “law”?, by the way???) just went ahead and meekly surrendered their hard earned money to the i.r.s. last April….knowing damned full well as they either must have or should have that the entire Title XXVI is rabidly ANTI-Constitutional and that the i.r.s. has never once been anything but an armed collection agency for the federal reserve prank which itself is a totally parasitic foreign owned for-profit-only corporation and not even a “bank” as lawfully defined?

            This is why I get the biggest yuck out of teabaggers and others of the ilk when they use the term “law abiding citizen”—you have any vague notion as to just how many damned “laws” there are in this so called “freedom loving” country? More than there are people—quite numerically there are at least three separate and distinct “laws” for every two people in this country whether here legally or otherwise…a new “law” is written more than once every second. More to the point here—do you know how many federal felonies there now are? Well, if so than you know more than a highly seasoned team of legal scholars who are trying to find out and the best they have been able to come up with so far is “over 4500″. Dr John Baker (ret) former law prof at LSU has stated that there is not one solitary person in America at or above the age of eighteen years who cannot immediately as we speak be arrested for committing a federal felony they most likely never knew existed…we are ALL of us federal felons whether we know it or like it. So my attitude is since we are all outlaws anyway, why not be the deadliest in the nation’s entire history….in the name of the Constitution?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

            Taxed Enough Already….yes, and how many of these “law abiding” citizens (whose “law”?, by the way???) just went ahead and meekly surrendered their hard earned money to the i.r.s. last April….knowing damned full well as they either must have or should have that the entire Title XXVI is rabidly ANTI-Constitutional and that the i.r.s. has never once been anything but an armed collection agency for the federal reserve prank which itself is a totally parasitic foreign owned for-profit-only corporation and not even a “bank” as lawfully defined?

            This is why I get the biggest yuck out of teabaggers and others of the ilk when they use the term “law abiding citizen”—you have any vague notion as to just how many damned “laws” there are in this so called “freedom loving” country? More than there are people—quite numerically there are at least three separate and distinct “laws” for every two people in this country whether here legally or otherwise…a new “law” is written more than once every second. More to the point here—do you know how many federal felonies there now are? Well, if so than you know more than a highly seasoned team of legal scholars who are trying to find out and the best they have been able to come up with so far is “over 4500″. Dr John Baker (ret) former law prof at LSU has stated that there is not one solitary person in America at or above the age of eighteen years who cannot immediately as we speak be arrested for committing a federal felony they most likely never knew existed…we are ALL of us federal felons whether we know it or like it. So my attitude is since we are all outlaws anyway, why not be the deadliest in the nation’s entire history….in the name of the Constitution?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

            Taxed Enough Already….yes, and how many of these “law abiding” citizens (whose “law”?, by the way???) just went ahead and meekly surrendered their hard earned money to the i.r.s. last April….knowing damned full well as they either must have or should have that the entire Title XXVI is rabidly ANTI-Constitutional and that the i.r.s. has never once been anything but an armed collection agency for the federal reserve prank which itself is a totally parasitic foreign owned for-profit-only corporation and not even a “bank” as lawfully defined?

            This is why I get the biggest yuck out of teabaggers and others of the ilk when they use the term “law abiding citizen”—you have any vague notion as to just how many damned “laws” there are in this so called “freedom loving” country? More than there are people—quite numerically there are at least three separate and distinct “laws” for every two people in this country whether here legally or otherwise…a new “law” is written more than once every second. More to the point here—do you know how many federal felonies there now are? Well, if so than you know more than a highly seasoned team of legal scholars who are trying to find out and the best they have been able to come up with so far is “over 4500″. Dr John Baker (ret) former law prof at LSU has stated that there is not one solitary person in America at or above the age of eighteen years who cannot immediately as we speak be arrested for committing a federal felony they most likely never knew existed…we are ALL of us federal felons whether we know it or like it. So my attitude is since we are all outlaws anyway, why not be the deadliest in the nation’s entire history….in the name of the Constitution?

          • TexasJester

            “TEA” was not named after the Boston Tea Party, it was an an acronym for “Taxed Enough Already”. Only afterward was the tea bag used as a symbol.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Wrong

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Wrong

          • DrSique

            Perhaps, you are unaware that our Founders sought a redress of grievances for many years before breaking any British Laws. The time for Americans to violate unfair laws may well be here but, that is for every individual to decide. One could easily suggest that you are hiding behind a keyboard, attempting to inspire others to commit acts of civil disobedience. Leaders go in the front.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            How many years have we been seeking redress of grievances?

            I could describe to you what I’ve lost, what my disobedience has cost me, but I wonder if there’s any point casting it seeing as your mentality is to first presume otherwise without any clue.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            How many years have we been seeking redress of grievances?

            I could describe to you what I’ve lost, what my disobedience has cost me, but I wonder if there’s any point casting it seeing as your mentality is to first presume otherwise without any clue.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            How many years have we been seeking redress of grievances?

            I could describe to you what I’ve lost, what my disobedience has cost me, but I wonder if there’s any point casting it seeing as your mentality is to first presume otherwise without any clue.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            How many years have we been seeking redress of grievances?

            I could describe to you what I’ve lost, what my disobedience has cost me, but I wonder if there’s any point casting it seeing as your mentality is to first presume otherwise without any clue.

          • DrSique

            Perhaps, you are unaware that our Founders sought a redress of grievances for many years before breaking any British Laws. The time for Americans to violate unfair laws may well be here but, that is for every individual to decide. One could easily suggest that you are hiding behind a keyboard, attempting to inspire others to commit acts of civil disobedience. Leaders go in the front.

          • DrSique

            Perhaps, you are unaware that our Founders sought a redress of grievances for many years before breaking any British Laws. The time for Americans to violate unfair laws may well be here but, that is for every individual to decide. One could easily suggest that you are hiding behind a keyboard, attempting to inspire others to commit acts of civil disobedience. Leaders go in the front.

          • DrSique

            Perhaps, you are unaware that our Founders sought a redress of grievances for many years before breaking any British Laws. The time for Americans to violate unfair laws may well be here but, that is for every individual to decide. One could easily suggest that you are hiding behind a keyboard, attempting to inspire others to commit acts of civil disobedience. Leaders go in the front.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Kokesh isn’t planning this as a Tea Party thing.

          But regarding your position, why even call it the Tea Party? The whole reason for naming it after the Boston Tea Party was that it was supposed to be a rebellious revolt, as the original was. You are arguing for obedience. Obedience is the opposite of rebellion. Unfortunately most on our side suffer from the same kind of hypnosis, which keeps them arguing against & denouncing political correctness, while nonetheless refusing to say certain words because they’re “offensive,” and chastising others who say them, etc. You can’t have it both ways. Be consistent. On that point, putting his money where his mouth is, I say Kokesh has it right–he is not a hypocrite. I just see him as unfortunately too much in league with our enemies, and to be avoided.

          Now, if you think our legal/government system isn’t so corrupt that you can still effect the necessary change by being obedient, fine. Just don’t call your movement the Tea Party.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Kokesh isn’t planning this as a Tea Party thing.

          But regarding your position, why even call it the Tea Party? The whole reason for naming it after the Boston Tea Party was that it was supposed to be a rebellious revolt, as the original was. You are arguing for obedience. Obedience is the opposite of rebellion. Unfortunately most on our side suffer from the same kind of hypnosis, which keeps them arguing against & denouncing political correctness, while nonetheless refusing to say certain words because they’re “offensive,” and chastising others who say them, etc. You can’t have it both ways. Be consistent. On that point, putting his money where his mouth is, I say Kokesh has it right–he is not a hypocrite. I just see him as unfortunately too much in league with our enemies, and to be avoided.

          Now, if you think our legal/government system isn’t so corrupt that you can still effect the necessary change by being obedient, fine. Just don’t call your movement the Tea Party.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Kokesh isn’t planning this as a Tea Party thing.

          But regarding your position, why even call it the Tea Party? The whole reason for naming it after the Boston Tea Party was that it was supposed to be a rebellious revolt, as the original was. You are arguing for obedience. Obedience is the opposite of rebellion. Unfortunately most on our side suffer from the same kind of hypnosis, which keeps them arguing against & denouncing political correctness, while nonetheless refusing to say certain words because they’re “offensive,” and chastising others who say them, etc. You can’t have it both ways. Be consistent. On that point, putting his money where his mouth is, I say Kokesh has it right–he is not a hypocrite. I just see him as unfortunately too much in league with our enemies, and to be avoided.

          Now, if you think our legal/government system isn’t so corrupt that you can still effect the necessary change by being obedient, fine. Just don’t call your movement the Tea Party.

      • Sharon Morgan

        I would say you’ve got it exactly wrong about the Tea Party. What you are proposing is the Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi concept of the Tea Party… once they got beyond the idiotic notion that it was ‘astroturf’. Everyone that I know who identifies with the movement are law abiding citizens. Those who seek to break the law are the Occupy folks. Laws which are an infringement of inalienable rights are targeted for change via legal means. As it should be.

        Kokesh was also a paid regular on Iranian Press TV. He’s no TP sort. He is an agent provocateur. This ‘march’ idea has got to be one of the more foolish ones ever concocted.

        DC in its entirety, is a Federal property. Many of the areas are under Park Police jurisdiction. As such, to maintain the peace, and ensure peaceful enjoyment by the people, there are specific laws about what can and cannot be done in the designated park areas. Just like his joint venture with Code Pink to dance at the Jefferson Memorial, this hair-brained ‘march’ is a selfish venture that would prove nothing, other than support the erroneous notion that TP folks are scofflaws.

        I seriously question the wisdom and intentions of those who support this ill-conceived and highly unworthy plan.

      • DoingMoreWithLes

        TEA Party, not Tea Party. Stands for Taxed Enough Already. Learn some facts before spouting off. Learn to capitalize all letters in an acronym. I know thinking is really hard to do for some people.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Yeah right

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Yeah right

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Yeah right

      • DoingMoreWithLes

        TEA Party, not Tea Party. Stands for Taxed Enough Already. Learn some facts before spouting off. Learn to capitalize all letters in an acronym. I know thinking is really hard to do for some people.

      • DoingMoreWithLes

        TEA Party, not Tea Party. Stands for Taxed Enough Already. Learn some facts before spouting off. Learn to capitalize all letters in an acronym. I know thinking is really hard to do for some people.

      • DoingMoreWithLes

        TEA Party, not Tea Party. Stands for Taxed Enough Already. Learn some facts before spouting off. Learn to capitalize all letters in an acronym. I know thinking is really hard to do for some people.

      • vanguard7

        As “doingmorewithless” points out, do you really think the feds won’t take an opportunity such as this to “sneak in” a few agents to start firing and create a false flag event to which the government can (and most definitely would) turn to their advantage? Background info on this Kokesh character is too alarming to just blow him off. Events of the past few weeks have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that this government under Obama’s rule is not beneath any form of contempt for this country and our Constitution. Make no mistake…freedom-loving, true Americans are at war right now against our own government. The smart General picks his own battles and does so only after considering whether the gains outweigh the losses. In such a stunt as this march, the potential for losses to our cause far outweigh any gains we could expect. Make no bones about it…unless this usurper in the Whitehouse is stopped through legal means, there will come a time when taking up arms against the government in the name of freedom and preservation of our Constitution will be justified and needed.
        USAF(ret)

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

          makes sense

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

          makes sense

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

          makes sense

      • vanguard7

        As “doingmorewithless” points out, do you really think the feds won’t take an opportunity such as this to “sneak in” a few agents to start firing and create a false flag event to which the government can (and most definitely would) turn to their advantage? Background info on this Kokesh character is too alarming to just blow him off. Events of the past few weeks have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that this government under Obama’s rule is not beneath any form of contempt for this country and our Constitution. Make no mistake…freedom-loving, true Americans are at war right now against our own government. The smart General picks his own battles and does so only after considering whether the gains outweigh the losses. In such a stunt as this march, the potential for losses to our cause far outweigh any gains we could expect. Make no bones about it…unless this usurper in the Whitehouse is stopped through legal means, there will come a time when taking up arms against the government in the name of freedom and preservation of our Constitution will be justified and needed.
        USAF(ret)

      • vanguard7

        As “doingmorewithless” points out, do you really think the feds won’t take an opportunity such as this to “sneak in” a few agents to start firing and create a false flag event to which the government can (and most definitely would) turn to their advantage? Background info on this Kokesh character is too alarming to just blow him off. Events of the past few weeks have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that this government under Obama’s rule is not beneath any form of contempt for this country and our Constitution. Make no mistake…freedom-loving, true Americans are at war right now against our own government. The smart General picks his own battles and does so only after considering whether the gains outweigh the losses. In such a stunt as this march, the potential for losses to our cause far outweigh any gains we could expect. Make no bones about it…unless this usurper in the Whitehouse is stopped through legal means, there will come a time when taking up arms against the government in the name of freedom and preservation of our Constitution will be justified and needed.
        USAF(ret)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

        It always spirals down to sheer numbers….

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

        It always spirals down to sheer numbers….

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

        It always spirals down to sheer numbers….

      • William P. Homans

        Well, I see you deleted my response to this post. Here it is again, summarized.

        Point A. You, Donald Joy, on the face of it a mature and reasonable man, would support the chickenhawk coward draft-dodger Ted Nugent but not the combat veteran Kokesh in the assertion of constitutional rights. That’s plumb ignorant.

        Point B. To say they ought to infiltrate and then break out the rifles in DC is the stupidest thing I ever heard. That’s exactly why they won’t be allowed to go in even with rifles unloaded. Police reading of the situation has to account for the possibility that the group might already have surreptitiously transported a cache of ammo for the rifles in question into Washington.

        Thus, even if it could be manipulated that some distraught fool with tangential connection to the left– as the nut Jared Loughner had tangential connections to the right– was responsible for the start of bloodshed, it would have been the armed men invading the Nation’s Capital, and that’s what the police story will be.

        It’s legal to carry a loaded firearm in Virginia. Whether it’s legal for a platoon, or a company, or a battalion (if the Tea Party were really to embrace the march) of armed men to march on public roadways in that state is another matter. The police are going to do their damndest to cite some sort of public statute that will require the inspection of each and every weapon strapped to the backs of those who are on, or who accompany, the march.

      • William P. Homans

        Well, then, Don, I’ll leave it to YOU to explain why you’d rather support Ted Nugent, a coward draft-dodger, than Adam Kokesh, a combat veteran.

        And I’ll leave it to you to explain why a platoon, or a company, of men who suddenly took the wraps off loaded rifles in Washington DC wouldn’t be hit with every firearms violation and related charge the DC police could get out of the lawbooks. That is, if the volatility of the situation doesn’t get somebody trigger-happy.

        And to say “police will be unprepared”.Do what?? After the group telegraphing the action this far in advance, with as many undercover federal agents as there undoubtedly are in the group making regular reports to their superiors of each new development, police in PUNKSUTAWNEY and TEHACHAPI will be prepared, to say nothing of DC and Park Police plus every federal law agency within the boundaries of the District of Columbia.

        Occupy was given a pass (I know, I was there) because except for the Black Bloc anarchists/provocateurs/dumbs..t kids, there was not the slightest smidgeon of violent feeling against the government, much less threatened or consummated action. There was NO SIGNIFICANT THREAT to public security. Not the kind a platoon or company of armed men must read to any responsible police commander. Would if I was the Inspector in charge of deploying the police, no matter that they say they’re not coming to DC to shoot anybody.

        William P. Homans
        USA RVN 1969-70

      • William P. Homans

        Well, then, Don, I’ll leave it to YOU to explain why you’d rather support Ted Nugent, a coward draft-dodger, than Adam Kokesh, a combat veteran.

        And I’ll leave it to you to explain why a platoon, or a company, of men who suddenly took the wraps off loaded rifles in Washington DC wouldn’t be hit with every firearms violation and related charge the DC police could get out of the lawbooks. That is, if the volatility of the situation doesn’t get somebody trigger-happy.

        And to say “police will be unprepared”.Do what?? After the group telegraphing the action this far in advance, with as many undercover federal agents as there undoubtedly are in the group making regular reports to their superiors of each new development, police in PUNKSUTAWNEY and TEHACHAPI will be prepared, to say nothing of DC and Park Police plus every federal law agency within the boundaries of the District of Columbia.

        Occupy was given a pass (I know, I was there) because except for the Black Bloc anarchists/provocateurs/dumbs..t kids, there was not the slightest smidgeon of violent feeling against the government, much less threatened or consummated action. There was NO SIGNIFICANT THREAT to public security. Not the kind a platoon or company of armed men must read to any responsible police commander. Would if I was the Inspector in charge of deploying the police, no matter that they say they’re not coming to DC to shoot anybody.

        William P. Homans
        USA RVN 1969-70

      • William P. Homans

        Well, then, Don, I’ll leave it to YOU to explain why you’d rather support Ted Nugent, a coward draft-dodger, than Adam Kokesh, a combat veteran.

        And I’ll leave it to you to explain why a platoon, or a company, of men who suddenly took the wraps off loaded rifles in Washington DC wouldn’t be hit with every firearms violation and related charge the DC police could get out of the lawbooks. That is, if the volatility of the situation doesn’t get somebody trigger-happy.

        And to say “police will be unprepared”.Do what?? After the group telegraphing the action this far in advance, with as many undercover federal agents as there undoubtedly are in the group making regular reports to their superiors of each new development, police in PUNKSUTAWNEY and TEHACHAPI will be prepared, to say nothing of DC and Park Police plus every federal law agency within the boundaries of the District of Columbia.

        Occupy was given a pass (I know, I was there) because except for the Black Bloc anarchists/provocateurs/dumbs..t kids, there was not the slightest smidgeon of violent feeling against the government, much less threatened or consummated action. There was NO SIGNIFICANT THREAT to public security. Not the kind a platoon or company of armed men must read to any responsible police commander. Would if I was the Inspector in charge of deploying the police, no matter that they say they’re not coming to DC to shoot anybody.

        William P. Homans
        USA RVN 1969-70

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Someone challenged me to explain why I say it’s a good idea in and of itself. I’d say that if it were not publicly preannounced and hyped as such, not planned in such a way so as to be so easily thwarted, it could work. Marchers should instead just arrive in D.C. under wraps, then muster inside the District and holster/shoulder/sling arms and proceed. With sufficient numbers of protesters, police would be unprepared, and more likely to give marchers a wide berth and deal with them the same way Occupy was dealt with—give them a pass. Or, at least arrest only a small number of “examples.”

      The Tea Party should not call itself that unless it is willing to act in the spirit of the original, and engage in illegal activity on principle, risk arrest and consequences and hardship, etc. Tea Party is NOT about asking permsission, and backing down when permission is not granted , as was the case on Tax Day 2009, when the truckload of teabags intended to be unloaded near the White House was instead obediently turned around and driven back to Virginia, because the U.S. Park Police told the Tea Party organizers that the proper paperwork/permits were not in place. FUBAR

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Someone challenged me to explain why I say it’s a good idea in and of itself. I’d say that if it were not publicly preannounced and hyped as such, not planned in such a way so as to be so easily thwarted, it could work. Marchers should instead just arrive in D.C. under wraps, then muster inside the District and holster/shoulder/sling arms and proceed. With sufficient numbers of protesters, police would be unprepared, and more likely to give marchers a wide berth and deal with them the same way Occupy was dealt with—give them a pass. Or, at least arrest only a small number of “examples.”

      The Tea Party should not call itself that unless it is willing to act in the spirit of the original, and engage in illegal activity on principle, risk arrest and consequences and hardship, etc. Tea Party is NOT about asking permsission, and backing down when permission is not granted , as was the case on Tax Day 2009, when the truckload of teabags intended to be unloaded near the White House was instead obediently turned around and driven back to Virginia, because the U.S. Park Police told the Tea Party organizers that the proper paperwork/permits were not in place. FUBAR

    • DoingMoreWithLes

      And to be sure there will be someone from the government there in the crowd to start something. Turns out many things like Kent State had an insider start the shooting. Too many events have CIA, FBI, ATF or others’ fingerprints all over them.

    • DoingMoreWithLes

      And to be sure there will be someone from the government there in the crowd to start something. Turns out many things like Kent State had an insider start the shooting. Too many events have CIA, FBI, ATF or others’ fingerprints all over them.

    • DoingMoreWithLes

      And to be sure there will be someone from the government there in the crowd to start something. Turns out many things like Kent State had an insider start the shooting. Too many events have CIA, FBI, ATF or others’ fingerprints all over them.

      • vanguard7

        I wholeheartedly agree with your point of view.

    • DrSique

      I’m not sure that the Lexington Green of our generation would necessarily be the worst case scenario. I am so sick of waiting for the tyrants to start showing up at the doors of American citizens that it almost seems appropriate to get things started. I have weighed taking part in this march heavily but learning about Kokesh is telling me to stay clear. If the Oath Keepers were to have a call up, the time to march would be upon all patriots.

      • SGinNC

        The radical Liberals have learned this lesson, when you resort to violence you loose. Violence is always the last resort, as in self defense. Instead, the Left has infiltrated our Schools, the Media, Industry, Hollywood, Wall st., the Government and the list is endless. If anyone were to pick up arms against our nation, or make implied threats such as marching on Washington while armed, there could be a slaughterfest and this would put honest, concerned Americans into a bad light, which I doubt we would ever recover from. Our reputation would be stained by the hot heads in our ranks and the Liberals would have the ammunition and the public’s support needed to go all McCarthy on anyone who was a Conservative or had differing views. What we need to do is what the Liberals have done; we need to start hiring and promoting those who share our ideals and goals. We need to get our information out to the masses, get educated, get involved and win the hearts and minds of folks. We need to start standing by our principals and elect politicians who are true Conservatives with real character, rather than the weak kneed lot that we have, who lick their finger and stick it to the wind to determine which direction will get them more votes. We also need intelligent and well spoken fighters, armed with facts, who will stand up for what they believe in and will not turn all wobbly when the Left shouts them down on national TV. This will take time and hard work, but it is the only way to succeed.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

          Not buying….that’s what the Birchers have been preaching mostly to their own choir since 1959 and it has not done jack squat. Obama is in the White House largely through sheer and absolute ballot fraud but also because he spoke to the bellies and the genitals of the drooling masses of the country…the message of true patriotism can only appeal to the brain of one who in fact has a brain and that pretty much rules out the vast majority of the general public in America…if you wish to give yourself over to the obscene waste of time of wallowing in the general slime of public stupidity, please feel free…because in the time it took you to “educate” the average voter in this country, the public fool system can harvest a cash crop of ten thousand times that many lemmings who can be cattle-bused to the polls. There are, for all practical intents and purposes, two kinds of people in America: the sociopaths who run this Hell on Earth and their grateful brain dead. Consider three boxes: the ballot box; the jury box and the ammo box—America will never be free again by way of the ballot box….the jury box is out in our current JU$T U$ system and all that is left is the bullet box. QED.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

          Not buying….that’s what the Birchers have been preaching mostly to their own choir since 1959 and it has not done jack squat. Obama is in the White House largely through sheer and absolute ballot fraud but also because he spoke to the bellies and the genitals of the drooling masses of the country…the message of true patriotism can only appeal to the brain of one who in fact has a brain and that pretty much rules out the vast majority of the general public in America…if you wish to give yourself over to the obscene waste of time of wallowing in the general slime of public stupidity, please feel free…because in the time it took you to “educate” the average voter in this country, the public fool system can harvest a cash crop of ten thousand times that many lemmings who can be cattle-bused to the polls. There are, for all practical intents and purposes, two kinds of people in America: the sociopaths who run this Hell on Earth and their grateful brain dead. Consider three boxes: the ballot box; the jury box and the ammo box—America will never be free again by way of the ballot box….the jury box is out in our current JU$T U$ system and all that is left is the bullet box. QED.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

          Not buying….that’s what the Birchers have been preaching mostly to their own choir since 1959 and it has not done jack squat. Obama is in the White House largely through sheer and absolute ballot fraud but also because he spoke to the bellies and the genitals of the drooling masses of the country…the message of true patriotism can only appeal to the brain of one who in fact has a brain and that pretty much rules out the vast majority of the general public in America…if you wish to give yourself over to the obscene waste of time of wallowing in the general slime of public stupidity, please feel free…because in the time it took you to “educate” the average voter in this country, the public fool system can harvest a cash crop of ten thousand times that many lemmings who can be cattle-bused to the polls. There are, for all practical intents and purposes, two kinds of people in America: the sociopaths who run this Hell on Earth and their grateful brain dead. Consider three boxes: the ballot box; the jury box and the ammo box—America will never be free again by way of the ballot box….the jury box is out in our current JU$T U$ system and all that is left is the bullet box. QED.

      • SGinNC

        The radical Liberals have learned this lesson, when you resort to violence you loose. Violence is always the last resort, as in self defense. Instead, the Left has infiltrated our Schools, the Media, Industry, Hollywood, Wall st., the Government and the list is endless. If anyone were to pick up arms against our nation, or make implied threats such as marching on Washington while armed, there could be a slaughterfest and this would put honest, concerned Americans into a bad light, which I doubt we would ever recover from. Our reputation would be stained by the hot heads in our ranks and the Liberals would have the ammunition and the public’s support needed to go all McCarthy on anyone who was a Conservative or had differing views. What we need to do is what the Liberals have done; we need to start hiring and promoting those who share our ideals and goals. We need to get our information out to the masses, get educated, get involved and win the hearts and minds of folks. We need to start standing by our principals and elect politicians who are true Conservatives with real character, rather than the weak kneed lot that we have, who lick their finger and stick it to the wind to determine which direction will get them more votes. We also need intelligent and well spoken fighters, armed with facts, who will stand up for what they believe in and will not turn all wobbly when the Left shouts them down on national TV. This will take time and hard work, but it is the only way to succeed.

      • SGinNC

        The radical Liberals have learned this lesson, when you resort to violence you loose. Violence is always the last resort, as in self defense. Instead, the Left has infiltrated our Schools, the Media, Industry, Hollywood, Wall st., the Government and the list is endless. If anyone were to pick up arms against our nation, or make implied threats such as marching on Washington while armed, there could be a slaughterfest and this would put honest, concerned Americans into a bad light, which I doubt we would ever recover from. Our reputation would be stained by the hot heads in our ranks and the Liberals would have the ammunition and the public’s support needed to go all McCarthy on anyone who was a Conservative or had differing views. What we need to do is what the Liberals have done; we need to start hiring and promoting those who share our ideals and goals. We need to get our information out to the masses, get educated, get involved and win the hearts and minds of folks. We need to start standing by our principals and elect politicians who are true Conservatives with real character, rather than the weak kneed lot that we have, who lick their finger and stick it to the wind to determine which direction will get them more votes. We also need intelligent and well spoken fighters, armed with facts, who will stand up for what they believe in and will not turn all wobbly when the Left shouts them down on national TV. This will take time and hard work, but it is the only way to succeed.

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

        Well-said.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

        There has been a call-up as of about two days ago….Temple, Texas, may be the next Lexington Green.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

        There has been a call-up as of about two days ago….Temple, Texas, may be the next Lexington Green.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

        There has been a call-up as of about two days ago….Temple, Texas, may be the next Lexington Green.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

        There has been a call-up as of about two days ago….Temple, Texas, may be the next Lexington Green.

    • DrSique

      I’m not sure that the Lexington Green of our generation would necessarily be the worst case scenario. I am so sick of waiting for the tyrants to start showing up at the doors of American citizens that it almost seems appropriate to get things started. I have weighed taking part in this march heavily but learning about Kokesh is telling me to stay clear. If the Oath Keepers were to have a call up, the time to march would be upon all patriots.

  • SGinNC

    Best case scenario if you go: You are arrested, your weapon confiscated and you are left with a Felony which keeps you from voting, holding a good job, owning a gun or concealed carry.

    Worst case scenario: Police and military fire on the attendees because someone in the crowd triggers an event which results in a National crack down on Conservatives and pro 2nd Amendment Patriots.

  • Rick Fisk Ⓥ

    Antiwar is now something that discredits a person? Piss off. This is nothing more than a smear.

    • Mr. Fubo

      Antiwar scum who support jihad can BIOYA.

      You know what we call pacifists? AGENTS OF THE PEOPLE TRYING TO KILL US.

      You morons are nothing but wanna-be meth-head jackwads doing Obama’s work.You and Kokesh can all GFY.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R., the MSA, et. al. are not merely “anti-war;” they are so thoroughly anti-American that it’s disgusting that Kokesh snuggles up with them.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R., the MSA, et. al. are not merely “anti-war;” they are so thoroughly anti-American that it’s disgusting that Kokesh snuggles up with them.

  • Rick Fisk Ⓥ

    Antiwar is now something that discredits a person? Piss off. This is nothing more than a smear.

  • Rick Fisk Ⓥ

    Antiwar is now something that discredits a person? Piss off. This is nothing more than a smear.

  • you’re a dick

    Nice gate keeper article Donald Joy

  • you’re a dick

    Nice gate keeper article Donald Joy

  • you’re a dick

    Nice gate keeper article Donald Joy

  • Seed_Of_Filth71

    and who is this guy? A.J is a fraud for sure,A.K don’t know enough about him but I’ll be there just not armed

    • stillsane

      Please take a VIDEO RECORDER!!!!!!!!!!!
      It could go VIRAL.

    • stillsane

      Please take a VIDEO RECORDER!!!!!!!!!!!
      It could go VIRAL.

  • Seed_Of_Filth71

    and who is this guy? A.J is a fraud for sure,A.K don’t know enough about him but I’ll be there just not armed

  • Seed_Of_Filth71

    and who is this guy? A.J is a fraud for sure,A.K don’t know enough about him but I’ll be there just not armed

  • Seed_Of_Filth71

    and who is this guy? A.J is a fraud for sure,A.K don’t know enough about him but I’ll be there just not armed

  • stillsane

    Under the right circumstances, this may work. But it depends on the Zapruder effect how many videos will be recording?

    • stillsane

      If you go take your camera!
      PLEASE!!!

  • stillsane

    Under the right circumstances, this may work. But it depends on the Zapruder effect how many videos will be recording?

  • stillsane

    Under the right circumstances, this may work. But it depends on the Zapruder effect how many videos will be recording?

  • the truth

    I see you threw Alex Jones out very early. well Why can t people be just as weary of the dinosaur media than they are of info wars….. could it because its jammed in your skull by the dinosaur media. Our government is super corrupt the recent scandles are proof. the new saying should be they care not of you…… so fight for your freedom. if a man can be demonized for for questioning what is happening then we truley are on a path of destruction. i am a young person at the age of 24 but didnt buy into any of the propaganda by either of the regimes that have ruled during my lucid period of life so people quit drinking the water (flouride) and wke up to the tyrrany that surrounds you all. if you dont speak up you dont deserve the rights that the veterans faught for wether you beleived in what they invovled in or not they are doing far more than you. An educated armed public is tyrannical kryptonite.

    • pearl87

      You are the hope and promise of America’s future as a free country. Please remember that it was founded on the firm basis of trust in God’s providence. If your generation will prevail, you must, once again, commit to serving truth and justice through trust and faith in the Almighty.

      You are correct to despise and reject the political establishment of both parties. Don’t become enamored of evil, though, when you see how corruption is favored. Stand for what is right and God will give you victory.

    • pearl87

      You are the hope and promise of America’s future as a free country. Please remember that it was founded on the firm basis of trust in God’s providence. If your generation will prevail, you must, once again, commit to serving truth and justice through trust and faith in the Almighty.

      You are correct to despise and reject the political establishment of both parties. Don’t become enamored of evil, though, when you see how corruption is favored. Stand for what is right and God will give you victory.

    • pearl87

      You are the hope and promise of America’s future as a free country. Please remember that it was founded on the firm basis of trust in God’s providence. If your generation will prevail, you must, once again, commit to serving truth and justice through trust and faith in the Almighty.

      You are correct to despise and reject the political establishment of both parties. Don’t become enamored of evil, though, when you see how corruption is favored. Stand for what is right and God will give you victory.

    • pearl87

      You are the hope and promise of America’s future as a free country. Please remember that it was founded on the firm basis of trust in God’s providence. If your generation will prevail, you must, once again, commit to serving truth and justice through trust and faith in the Almighty.

      You are correct to despise and reject the political establishment of both parties. Don’t become enamored of evil, though, when you see how corruption is favored. Stand for what is right and God will give you victory.

  • pearl87

    I am not sure you are right about the motivations or associations of Kokesh, but I agree that he is a bit of a loose cannon. I attribute it mostly to his getting mixed up with the atheist/anti-God crowd. Like you, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his demons are getting the better of him, I fear, and that makes him a dangerous companion and an unpredictable leader.

  • pearl87

    I am not sure you are right about the motivations or associations of Kokesh, but I agree that he is a bit of a loose cannon. I attribute it mostly to his getting mixed up with the atheist/anti-God crowd. Like you, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his demons are getting the better of him, I fear, and that makes him a dangerous companion and an unpredictable leader.

  • pearl87

    I am not sure you are right about the motivations or associations of Kokesh, but I agree that he is a bit of a loose cannon. I attribute it mostly to his getting mixed up with the atheist/anti-God crowd. Like you, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his demons are getting the better of him, I fear, and that makes him a dangerous companion and an unpredictable leader.

  • tjcuzns

    Anyone familiar with the term agent provocateur? Surely some of you Alinsky fans have read Lenin’s ” What is To be Done ” or ” Ultra Left-ism-an Infantile Disorder “. Things can get out of hand real fast; and few things are always what they initially appear.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      That Kokesh would anything to do with such extreme Left groups such as Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R. tells us a lot.

      • tjcuzns

        I can only speak for myself; but his association with these groups sure makes me curious. I remember Chicago ’68 and Kent State ’69. I would need to know one hell of a lot more about the man before I would ” follow” him anywhere.

        • William P. Homans

          Let me assure you, Donald and tj, that Adam Kokesh separated himself from the antiwar movement years ago, in the same way that John Kerry did in 1972 from the VVAW. Both men put their personal political ambitions before the goals of the antiwar groups of which they were respectively a part. Kokesh is no ally of anyone you cited, or anyone else in the veterans’ antiwar movement, Donald (neither is the rightwinger Kerry, lol). You are correct in that he is not to be trusted, but not because of his associations, but because of his monstrous ego, which he has displayed time and time again. Kokesh was once my antiwar colleague. But he’s closer to Ron Paul than Ralph Nader, and like anyone I know in the movement, I disavow him. He’s a combat veteran with diagnosed PTSD, that much slack I’ll cut him.

        • William P. Homans

          Let me assure you, Donald and tj, that Adam Kokesh separated himself from the antiwar movement years ago, in the same way that John Kerry did in 1972 from the VVAW. Both men put their personal political ambitions before the goals of the antiwar groups of which they were respectively a part. Kokesh is no ally of anyone you cited, or anyone else in the veterans’ antiwar movement, Donald (neither is the rightwinger Kerry, lol). You are correct in that he is not to be trusted, but not because of his associations, but because of his monstrous ego, which he has displayed time and time again. Kokesh was once my antiwar colleague. But he’s closer to Ron Paul than Ralph Nader, and like anyone I know in the movement, I disavow him. He’s a combat veteran with diagnosed PTSD, that much slack I’ll cut him.

        • William P. Homans

          Let me assure you, Donald and tj, that Adam Kokesh separated himself from the antiwar movement years ago, in the same way that John Kerry did in 1972 from the VVAW. Both men put their personal political ambitions before the goals of the antiwar groups of which they were respectively a part. Kokesh is no ally of anyone you cited, or anyone else in the veterans’ antiwar movement, Donald (neither is the rightwinger Kerry, lol). You are correct in that he is not to be trusted, but not because of his associations, but because of his monstrous ego, which he has displayed time and time again. Kokesh was once my antiwar colleague. But he’s closer to Ron Paul than Ralph Nader, and like anyone I know in the movement, I disavow him. He’s a combat veteran with diagnosed PTSD, that much slack I’ll cut him.

        • William P. Homans

          Let me assure you, Donald and tj, that Adam Kokesh separated himself from the antiwar movement years ago, in the same way that John Kerry did in 1972 from the VVAW. Both men put their personal political ambitions before the goals of the antiwar groups of which they were respectively a part. Kokesh is no ally of anyone you cited, or anyone else in the veterans’ antiwar movement, Donald (neither is the rightwinger Kerry, lol). You are correct in that he is not to be trusted, but not because of his associations, but because of his monstrous ego, which he has displayed time and time again. Kokesh was once my antiwar colleague. But he’s closer to Ron Paul than Ralph Nader, and like anyone I know in the movement, I disavow him. He’s a combat veteran with diagnosed PTSD, that much slack I’ll cut him.

      • tjcuzns

        I can only speak for myself; but his association with these groups sure makes me curious. I remember Chicago ’68 and Kent State ’69. I would need to know one hell of a lot more about the man before I would ” follow” him anywhere.

      • tjcuzns

        I can only speak for myself; but his association with these groups sure makes me curious. I remember Chicago ’68 and Kent State ’69. I would need to know one hell of a lot more about the man before I would ” follow” him anywhere.

      • http://FreedomOutpost.com/ Tim Brown
        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Gracias, Tim. Charles Johnson’s article at The Daily Caller was where I found the quotes which I included from Kokesh himself.

          • http://FreedomOutpost.com/ Tim Brown

            Yes, I already had the majority of the post on my site worked up and then ran across Johnson’s article as well.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            To imagine, once upon a time we had to rely on 3 major TV networks, newspapers, magazines, and radio stations for news…the agenda was so much more easily controlled back then, with the media in such relatively few hands.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            To imagine, once upon a time we had to rely on 3 major TV networks, newspapers, magazines, and radio stations for news…the agenda was so much more easily controlled back then, with the media in such relatively few hands.

          • http://FreedomOutpost.com/ Tim Brown

            Yes, I already had the majority of the post on my site worked up and then ran across Johnson’s article as well.

          • http://FreedomOutpost.com/ Tim Brown

            Yes, I already had the majority of the post on my site worked up and then ran across Johnson’s article as well.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Gracias, Tim. Charles Johnson’s article at The Daily Caller was where I found the quotes which I included from Kokesh himself.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Gracias, Tim. Charles Johnson’s article at The Daily Caller was where I found the quotes which I included from Kokesh himself.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Gracias, Tim. Charles Johnson’s article at The Daily Caller was where I found the quotes which I included from Kokesh himself.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      That Kokesh would anything to do with such extreme Left groups such as Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R. tells us a lot.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      That Kokesh would anything to do with such extreme Left groups such as Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R. tells us a lot.

  • tjcuzns

    Anyone familiar with the term agent provocateur? Surely some of you Alinsky fans have read Lenin’s ” What is To be Done ” or ” Ultra Left-ism-an Infantile Disorder “. Things can get out of hand real fast; and few things are always what they initially appear.

  • anAmericanByChoice

    “Ron Paul-esque, blame-America-first libertarian views and aims”? You must get your facts right… You throw in the same bag Ron Paul and Kokesh? Get some decent reading done, inform yourself, study some, and then write something worth reading. Donald (Duck) would have done a better job with all his mindless quacking and antics… and have more joy in the process! I agree Kokesh does not have what it takes; not by a million miles!, but to even think of comparing him to Ron Paul, and RP’s ideas and record, for Heaven’s sake!, grow up! And although I agree that Alex Jones must be taken with a grain of salt sometimes, yet, again, throw him and Kokesh in the same bag? You just lost all credibility… Focus on what is relevant, the need to get America back on its feet, fire Obummer, Holder, Biden, get rid of the IRS, stop illegals, put an end to idiocy (coming from both demopublicans and republicrats — all the same mafia!,) etc., impeach, impeach, impeach, kick out all the crap-brains and lackeys bowing towards the White- Mecca-House, thrice daily, pull those carpets form under their feet, regardless of who they are and where they stand, kneel, “work,” conspire,!, bring the troops home, cut the deficit, but don’t murk the waters, Joyless Don!…

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Uh, how are Kokesh’s positions different than Ron Paul’s?

      • anAmericanByChoice

        Exactly; that’s why I say you should study some… you obviously need to inform yourself, since you don’t know … unless you think ignorance is bliss, of course, in which case, not much to be said.

      • anAmericanByChoice

        Exactly; that’s why I say you should study some… you obviously need to inform yourself, since you don’t know … unless you think ignorance is bliss, of course, in which case, not much to be said.

      • anAmericanByChoice

        Exactly; that’s why I say you should study some… you obviously need to inform yourself, since you don’t know … unless you think ignorance is bliss, of course, in which case, not much to be said.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Prove what you allege. I do know that Kokesh and Ron Paul mostly share positions, because I have done my homework. Now make your case or FOAD.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Prove what you allege. I do know that Kokesh and Ron Paul mostly share positions, because I have done my homework. Now make your case or FOAD.

          • anAmericanByChoice

            Have done your homework? Does not sound like. Need someone to take you by the hand? Maybe you need a babysitter…
            I have nothing to prove to you, nor a case to make.

            FOAD? You just proved my point…

            Have a nice day, someday, if you manage (I truly doubt it.)

          • anAmericanByChoice

            Have done your homework? Does not sound like. Need someone to take you by the hand? Maybe you need a babysitter…
            I have nothing to prove to you, nor a case to make.

            FOAD? You just proved my point…

            Have a nice day, someday, if you manage (I truly doubt it.)

          • vicki

            Perhaps you could start by listing what you believe are the mostly shared positions?

          • vicki

            Perhaps you could start by listing what you believe are the mostly shared positions?

          • vicki

            Perhaps you could start by listing what you believe are the mostly shared positions?

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Prove what you allege. I do know that Kokesh and Ron Paul mostly share positions, because I have done my homework. Now make your case or FOAD.

      • anAmericanByChoice

        Exactly; that’s why I say you should study some… you obviously need to inform yourself, since you don’t know … unless you think ignorance is bliss, of course, in which case, not much to be said.

  • anAmericanByChoice

    “Ron Paul-esque, blame-America-first libertarian views and aims”? You must get your facts right… You throw in the same bag Ron Paul and Kokesh? Get some decent reading done, inform yourself, study some, and then write something worth reading. Donald (Duck) would have done a better job with all his mindless quacking and antics… and have more joy in the process! I agree Kokesh does not have what it takes; not by a million miles!, but to even think of comparing him to Ron Paul, and RP’s ideas and record, for Heaven’s sake!, grow up! And although I agree that Alex Jones must be taken with a grain of salt sometimes, yet, again, throw him and Kokesh in the same bag? You just lost all credibility… Focus on what is relevant, the need to get America back on its feet, fire Obummer, Holder, Biden, get rid of the IRS, stop illegals, put an end to idiocy (coming from both demopublicans and republicrats — all the same mafia!,) etc., impeach, impeach, impeach, kick out all the crap-brains and lackeys bowing towards the White- Mecca-House, thrice daily, pull those carpets form under their feet, regardless of who they are and where they stand, kneel, “work,” conspire,!, bring the troops home, cut the deficit, but don’t murk the waters, Joyless Don!…

  • anAmericanByChoice

    “Ron Paul-esque, blame-America-first libertarian views and aims”? You must get your facts right… You throw in the same bag Ron Paul and Kokesh? Get some decent reading done, inform yourself, study some, and then write something worth reading. Donald (Duck) would have done a better job with all his mindless quacking and antics… and have more joy in the process! I agree Kokesh does not have what it takes; not by a million miles!, but to even think of comparing him to Ron Paul, and RP’s ideas and record, for Heaven’s sake!, grow up! And although I agree that Alex Jones must be taken with a grain of salt sometimes, yet, again, throw him and Kokesh in the same bag? You just lost all credibility… Focus on what is relevant, the need to get America back on its feet, fire Obummer, Holder, Biden, get rid of the IRS, stop illegals, put an end to idiocy (coming from both demopublicans and republicrats — all the same mafia!,) etc., impeach, impeach, impeach, kick out all the crap-brains and lackeys bowing towards the White- Mecca-House, thrice daily, pull those carpets form under their feet, regardless of who they are and where they stand, kneel, “work,” conspire,!, bring the troops home, cut the deficit, but don’t murk the waters, Joyless Don!…

  • anAmericanByChoice

    “Ron Paul-esque, blame-America-first libertarian views and aims”? You must get your facts right… You throw in the same bag Ron Paul and Kokesh? Get some decent reading done, inform yourself, study some, and then write something worth reading. Donald (Duck) would have done a better job with all his mindless quacking and antics… and have more joy in the process! I agree Kokesh does not have what it takes; not by a million miles!, but to even think of comparing him to Ron Paul, and RP’s ideas and record, for Heaven’s sake!, grow up! And although I agree that Alex Jones must be taken with a grain of salt sometimes, yet, again, throw him and Kokesh in the same bag? You just lost all credibility… Focus on what is relevant, the need to get America back on its feet, fire Obummer, Holder, Biden, get rid of the IRS, stop illegals, put an end to idiocy (coming from both demopublicans and republicrats — all the same mafia!,) etc., impeach, impeach, impeach, kick out all the crap-brains and lackeys bowing towards the White- Mecca-House, thrice daily, pull those carpets form under their feet, regardless of who they are and where they stand, kneel, “work,” conspire,!, bring the troops home, cut the deficit, but don’t murk the waters, Joyless Don!…

  • Chad

    You just smeared this guy worse than Jane Fonda… I question your motives.

    I’m a Vet who also doesn’t think the “war” should of been started, Yet, I can’t see any of my brothers associating with Marxists or Muslims.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Are you saying Jane Fonda was unfairly “smeared”? And what do you suppose my motives might be?

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Are you saying Jane Fonda was unfairly “smeared”? And what do you suppose my motives might be?

      • Chad

        Good god no.. Jane F. Needed much more smearing with tar and more tar.

        This article hit me as a Lwing smear attack on Vets and people who want to stand up for their rights.. A story with(see how bad these people are and “see”.. ther’e up to no good) I would expect to see on Alphabet “news”. IE a typical attack on any Ron Paul fan/ Constitution loving Rwinger. I felt that the only thing you left out was “Bitter Clinger”

      • Chad

        Good god no.. Jane F. Needed much more smearing with tar and more tar.

        This article hit me as a Lwing smear attack on Vets and people who want to stand up for their rights.. A story with(see how bad these people are and “see”.. ther’e up to no good) I would expect to see on Alphabet “news”. IE a typical attack on any Ron Paul fan/ Constitution loving Rwinger. I felt that the only thing you left out was “Bitter Clinger”

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Seems to me, you didn’t read it. Try doing that and get back to me. Or, are you failing to accept the fact that Kokesh is in close collaboration with Leftist, anti-American groups like Code Pink, A.N.S.W.E.R., and the MSA?

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Seems to me, you didn’t read it. Try doing that and get back to me. Or, are you failing to accept the fact that Kokesh is in close collaboration with Leftist, anti-American groups like Code Pink, A.N.S.W.E.R., and the MSA?

      • Chad

        Good god no.. Jane F. Needed much more smearing with tar and more tar.

        This article hit me as a Lwing smear attack on Vets and people who want to stand up for their rights.. A story with(see how bad these people are and “see”.. ther’e up to no good) I would expect to see on Alphabet “news”. IE a typical attack on any Ron Paul fan/ Constitution loving Rwinger. I felt that the only thing you left out was “Bitter Clinger”

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Are you saying Jane Fonda was unfairly “smeared”? And what do you suppose my motives might be?

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Are you saying Jane Fonda was unfairly “smeared”? And what do you suppose my motives might be?

  • Chad

    You just smeared this guy worse than Jane Fonda… I question your motives.

    I’m a Vet who also doesn’t think the “war” should of been started, Yet, I can’t see any of my brothers associating with Marxists or Muslims.

  • Anonymus

    I just wrote a big story about getting behind our Law enforcement and remembering they are us and respect them,I also say the protest in DC would and should be done because we have to draw a line in the sand,but now I hear that it can possibly turn out to be another BO setup,I do believe this gov has to know that there will be 200 million armed citizens if they decide to pull something against us,I said we are coming to a point by law or by force,their choice but I wish he did this for the country not for some Marxist militant promotion like what we ave had for the last 4 years.There will be a time when we ALL have to stand up oor we will loose this great country.I don’t know if this is right or wrong anymore,Let the war be in my time so our children can live in peace, Jefferson,which ever way it goes unfortunately I do believe it is a set up and that America WILL change on the 4th of July no matter what happens and what is a false flag or a create antagonized event on purpose.STAND DOWN AMERICANS FOR NOW, SEE WHAT THEY DO ON THAT DAY,I do believe we are going to get hit anyway that’s what he is setting up as I said in my other email,This administration plus the one’s before have been trying to get us to react,constant daily citizen torture and instigation so when and at what point do we call their bluff an dstand our ground,if we don’t do something soon it will all be game over? You tell me,Huh

  • Anonymus

    I just wrote a big story about getting behind our Law enforcement and remembering they are us and respect them,I also say the protest in DC would and should be done because we have to draw a line in the sand,but now I hear that it can possibly turn out to be another BO setup,I do believe this gov has to know that there will be 200 million armed citizens if they decide to pull something against us,I said we are coming to a point by law or by force,their choice but I wish he did this for the country not for some Marxist militant promotion like what we ave had for the last 4 years.There will be a time when we ALL have to stand up oor we will loose this great country.I don’t know if this is right or wrong anymore,Let the war be in my time so our children can live in peace, Jefferson,which ever way it goes unfortunately I do believe it is a set up and that America WILL change on the 4th of July no matter what happens and what is a false flag or a create antagonized event on purpose.STAND DOWN AMERICANS FOR NOW, SEE WHAT THEY DO ON THAT DAY,I do believe we are going to get hit anyway that’s what he is setting up as I said in my other email,This administration plus the one’s before have been trying to get us to react,constant daily citizen torture and instigation so when and at what point do we call their bluff an dstand our ground,if we don’t do something soon it will all be game over? You tell me,Huh

  • Anonymus

    I just wrote a big story about getting behind our Law enforcement and remembering they are us and respect them,I also say the protest in DC would and should be done because we have to draw a line in the sand,but now I hear that it can possibly turn out to be another BO setup,I do believe this gov has to know that there will be 200 million armed citizens if they decide to pull something against us,I said we are coming to a point by law or by force,their choice but I wish he did this for the country not for some Marxist militant promotion like what we ave had for the last 4 years.There will be a time when we ALL have to stand up oor we will loose this great country.I don’t know if this is right or wrong anymore,Let the war be in my time so our children can live in peace, Jefferson,which ever way it goes unfortunately I do believe it is a set up and that America WILL change on the 4th of July no matter what happens and what is a false flag or a create antagonized event on purpose.STAND DOWN AMERICANS FOR NOW, SEE WHAT THEY DO ON THAT DAY,I do believe we are going to get hit anyway that’s what he is setting up as I said in my other email,This administration plus the one’s before have been trying to get us to react,constant daily citizen torture and instigation so when and at what point do we call their bluff an dstand our ground,if we don’t do something soon it will all be game over? You tell me,Huh

  • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

    l think carrying guns would be wrong, Obama will plant one of his thugs or more, to start a riot and this will open a whole new can of worms. Obama is after all, the trouble maker.

    • http://www.facebook.com/shane.lechner Shane Lechner

      SO BE IT THEN ,WHAT IS EVERYONE AFRAID OF?? ITS GOING TO HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER ANYWAY.. WHAT YOUR WORRIED ME MIGHT NOT HAVE ANOTHER FOOTBALL SEASON ?? LIKE I SAID IN AN EARLIER POST,THIS COULD BE BAD OR IT COULD BE GOOD??

    • http://www.facebook.com/shane.lechner Shane Lechner

      SO BE IT THEN ,WHAT IS EVERYONE AFRAID OF?? ITS GOING TO HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER ANYWAY.. WHAT YOUR WORRIED ME MIGHT NOT HAVE ANOTHER FOOTBALL SEASON ?? LIKE I SAID IN AN EARLIER POST,THIS COULD BE BAD OR IT COULD BE GOOD??

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

        Shane, if Bill Ayers or Malik Zulu Shabazz led the march, would you join or support it?

  • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

    l think carrying guns would be wrong, Obama will plant one of his thugs or more, to start a riot and this will open a whole new can of worms. Obama is after all, the trouble maker.

  • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

    l think carrying guns would be wrong, Obama will plant one of his thugs or more, to start a riot and this will open a whole new can of worms. Obama is after all, the trouble maker.

  • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

    l think carrying guns would be wrong, Obama will plant one of his thugs or more, to start a riot and this will open a whole new can of worms. Obama is after all, the trouble maker.

  • Russ Hinds

    Hmmm…I think a wise police chief in DC would offer to escort the march safely through. That would demonstrate that we do have a 2nd Amendment, also have Tea Party members escorting with video cameras running in order to keep things honest. I have just suggested open communication between police and the organizers in preparation for the march. If we still live in a civilized society that revers our God given rights, then a safe and peaceful march can be successfully conducted. But, if fear and hostilities exist between police and We the People, “divide and conquer” has won.
    America ought to be a safe and civilized nation capable of conducting a simple march that recognizes our God given rights. Unfortunately generations of government employees and cops have been miseducated in the atrocious government schools. They don’t know about our Christian history with Bible quoting founding fathers, and neither do they know about “love God and neighbor.” They think government is god, the protector, the provider, the good guy, and the all-knowing what is best for Americans.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      That definitely would make more sense. What you say is spot-on.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      That definitely would make more sense. What you say is spot-on.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      That definitely would make more sense. What you say is spot-on.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      That definitely would make more sense. What you say is spot-on.

  • Russ Hinds

    Hmmm…I think a wise police chief in DC would offer to escort the march safely through. That would demonstrate that we do have a 2nd Amendment, also have Tea Party members escorting with video cameras running in order to keep things honest. I have just suggested open communication between police and the organizers in preparation for the march. If we still live in a civilized society that revers our God given rights, then a safe and peaceful march can be successfully conducted. But, if fear and hostilities exist between police and We the People, “divide and conquer” has won.
    America ought to be a safe and civilized nation capable of conducting a simple march that recognizes our God given rights. Unfortunately generations of government employees and cops have been miseducated in the atrocious government schools. They don’t know about our Christian history with Bible quoting founding fathers, and neither do they know about “love God and neighbor.” They think government is god, the protector, the provider, the good guy, and the all-knowing what is best for Americans.

  • Russ Hinds

    Hmmm…I think a wise police chief in DC would offer to escort the march safely through. That would demonstrate that we do have a 2nd Amendment, also have Tea Party members escorting with video cameras running in order to keep things honest. I have just suggested open communication between police and the organizers in preparation for the march. If we still live in a civilized society that revers our God given rights, then a safe and peaceful march can be successfully conducted. But, if fear and hostilities exist between police and We the People, “divide and conquer” has won.
    America ought to be a safe and civilized nation capable of conducting a simple march that recognizes our God given rights. Unfortunately generations of government employees and cops have been miseducated in the atrocious government schools. They don’t know about our Christian history with Bible quoting founding fathers, and neither do they know about “love God and neighbor.” They think government is god, the protector, the provider, the good guy, and the all-knowing what is best for Americans.

  • c69101

    Kokesh is off his rocker. Stay away from this loon!

  • c69101

    Kokesh is off his rocker. Stay away from this loon!

  • gundog1911

    Great points Joe. I smelled a big Obama rat from the beginning of this
    stupid idea. I have a good number of firearms, concealed carry every day and
    believe strongly in the second amendment, but this is giving the criminal Obama
    regime a golden opportunity to discredit all gun owners again. This is Sandy
    Hook and the Batman killer on steroids. One or two plants shooting at or killing
    a LEO and the Black Jesus will get any repressive gun law he wants. Thank you for your article. Hopefully anyone thinking joining this FUBAR idea will think twice.

  • Winston Hibler

    This “demonstration” smacks of a huge set-up, ripe for an agent provocateur to fire on either side ans set off a massive bloodbath. Shun it AND these phony “patriots” like the plague!

  • Winston Hibler

    This “demonstration” smacks of a huge set-up, ripe for an agent provocateur to fire on either side ans set off a massive bloodbath. Shun it AND these phony “patriots” like the plague!

  • Winston Hibler

    This “demonstration” smacks of a huge set-up, ripe for an agent provocateur to fire on either side ans set off a massive bloodbath. Shun it AND these phony “patriots” like the plague!

  • vanguard7

    All I can say about this “planned” march is….to anyone contemplating going/attending/participating……DON’T. Please, I implore anyone considering to participate in this event to not do it. It can only hurt the progress we’ve made recently in our battle to retain our 2nd Amendment rights. An event like this can only have negative ramifications (in my honest opinion) and, my best guess, something like this is exactly what Obama, Pelosi, Holder, and all the others in their gun-grabbing camp would love to see. It would be just the impetus they would need (or could use) to ramp up hysteria and declare martial law across the nation and push through their efforts to ultimately confiscate all guns in America. Don’t give these Socialists any more rope to hang America. Stay away from this march and continue to be responsible gun owners. As long as we all maintain responsibility as gun owners they can’t make any reasonable argument against us. USAF(ret)

    • http://www.facebook.com/shane.lechner Shane Lechner

      im not saying im for or against this march?? but someday we will have to take up arms to defend liberty,or should we just wait around like yourself and hope they dont take our guns?? i believe if this march actually had 10,000 armed citizens..maybe it would start the revolution that is COMING..MAYBE JUST MAYBE ITS TIME TO GET THIS PARTY STARTED..

      • vanguard7

        See my reply below. There is a time to take up arms and fight and there are times when one needs to stand down and pick their battles. This is not a time to take up arms and march on D.C. This would be just the type of event that Obama and his gun-grabbing cronies would seize with all their enthusiasm and turn the event into a rally against us. It’s not the time for revolution (yet….) especially in light of the recent scandals involving this Whitehouse, the IRS, and Holder. They have given the country a gift really through all these recent uncoverings and I truly think that their days may just be numbered now. As long as we don’t over-react and play into their hands with some event such as this march.

      • vanguard7

        See my reply below. There is a time to take up arms and fight and there are times when one needs to stand down and pick their battles. This is not a time to take up arms and march on D.C. This would be just the type of event that Obama and his gun-grabbing cronies would seize with all their enthusiasm and turn the event into a rally against us. It’s not the time for revolution (yet….) especially in light of the recent scandals involving this Whitehouse, the IRS, and Holder. They have given the country a gift really through all these recent uncoverings and I truly think that their days may just be numbered now. As long as we don’t over-react and play into their hands with some event such as this march.

    • http://www.facebook.com/shane.lechner Shane Lechner

      im not saying im for or against this march?? but someday we will have to take up arms to defend liberty,or should we just wait around like yourself and hope they dont take our guns?? i believe if this march actually had 10,000 armed citizens..maybe it would start the revolution that is COMING..MAYBE JUST MAYBE ITS TIME TO GET THIS PARTY STARTED..

    • http://www.facebook.com/shane.lechner Shane Lechner

      im not saying im for or against this march?? but someday we will have to take up arms to defend liberty,or should we just wait around like yourself and hope they dont take our guns?? i believe if this march actually had 10,000 armed citizens..maybe it would start the revolution that is COMING..MAYBE JUST MAYBE ITS TIME TO GET THIS PARTY STARTED..

    • SGinNC

      Well said Rick. Top down, Bottom up is real, and they are just looking for a reason to enact the Top down portion.

    • William P. Homans

      I think Republicans will grab guns as fast as Democrats. In fact, Republicans, being superior in tactical politics to Democrats, will manipulate the public to think that THEIR initiative has been spearheaded by the Democrats! Oh, your Repub Senators and Congressmen can blather all they want, but a disarmed American public is as much on the Republican agenda as on the Democratic one.

      Republicans would have hollered about the new Pentagon arrogation of the power to deploy on American streets without action of the President if they didn’t set a higher priority on being sure they are on the right (correct) side of the barricades.

      I hope there are enough decent-minded commanders, in the case of martial law, that there will not be wholesale shootings of American citizens. I just visited Kent State last week, and breathed where the ghosts of the students killed by US troops on that day in May 1970 still haunt. And if there are men and women who deter that means of suppressing “civil disturbance,”, I’m betting that they are Democrats, not Republicans.

    • William P. Homans

      I think Republicans will grab guns as fast as Democrats. In fact, Republicans, being superior in tactical politics to Democrats, will manipulate the public to think that THEIR initiative has been spearheaded by the Democrats! Oh, your Repub Senators and Congressmen can blather all they want, but a disarmed American public is as much on the Republican agenda as on the Democratic one.

      Republicans would have hollered about the new Pentagon arrogation of the power to deploy on American streets without action of the President if they didn’t set a higher priority on being sure they are on the right (correct) side of the barricades.

      I hope there are enough decent-minded commanders, in the case of martial law, that there will not be wholesale shootings of American citizens. I just visited Kent State last week, and breathed where the ghosts of the students killed by US troops on that day in May 1970 still haunt. And if there are men and women who deter that means of suppressing “civil disturbance,”, I’m betting that they are Democrats, not Republicans.

    • William P. Homans

      I think Republicans will grab guns as fast as Democrats. In fact, Republicans, being superior in tactical politics to Democrats, will manipulate the public to think that THEIR initiative has been spearheaded by the Democrats! Oh, your Repub Senators and Congressmen can blather all they want, but a disarmed American public is as much on the Republican agenda as on the Democratic one.

      Republicans would have hollered about the new Pentagon arrogation of the power to deploy on American streets without action of the President if they didn’t set a higher priority on being sure they are on the right (correct) side of the barricades.

      I hope there are enough decent-minded commanders, in the case of martial law, that there will not be wholesale shootings of American citizens. I just visited Kent State last week, and breathed where the ghosts of the students killed by US troops on that day in May 1970 still haunt. And if there are men and women who deter that means of suppressing “civil disturbance,”, I’m betting that they are Democrats, not Republicans.

  • vanguard7

    All I can say about this “planned” march is….to anyone contemplating going/attending/participating……DON’T. Please, I implore anyone considering to participate in this event to not do it. It can only hurt the progress we’ve made recently in our battle to retain our 2nd Amendment rights. An event like this can only have negative ramifications (in my honest opinion) and, my best guess, something like this is exactly what Obama, Pelosi, Holder, and all the others in their gun-grabbing camp would love to see. It would be just the impetus they would need (or could use) to ramp up hysteria and declare martial law across the nation and push through their efforts to ultimately confiscate all guns in America. Don’t give these Socialists any more rope to hang America. Stay away from this march and continue to be responsible gun owners. As long as we all maintain responsibility as gun owners they can’t make any reasonable argument against us. USAF(ret)

  • vanguard7

    All I can say about this “planned” march is….to anyone contemplating going/attending/participating……DON’T. Please, I implore anyone considering to participate in this event to not do it. It can only hurt the progress we’ve made recently in our battle to retain our 2nd Amendment rights. An event like this can only have negative ramifications (in my honest opinion) and, my best guess, something like this is exactly what Obama, Pelosi, Holder, and all the others in their gun-grabbing camp would love to see. It would be just the impetus they would need (or could use) to ramp up hysteria and declare martial law across the nation and push through their efforts to ultimately confiscate all guns in America. Don’t give these Socialists any more rope to hang America. Stay away from this march and continue to be responsible gun owners. As long as we all maintain responsibility as gun owners they can’t make any reasonable argument against us. USAF(ret)

  • http://www.facebook.com/shane.lechner Shane Lechner

    to the author what do you have against ALEX JONES?? what you hate the truth?? idiot

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Alex Jones is like a screwdriver or bloody mary to an alcoholic, 2 parts healthy nourishment and 1 part poison. Same with Kokesh. Stay away.

      • Thomas Sharp

        That poison is a killer

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Alex Jones is like a screwdriver or bloody mary to an alcoholic, 2 parts healthy nourishment and 1 part poison. Same with Kokesh. Stay away.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shane.lechner Shane Lechner

    to the author what do you have against ALEX JONES?? what you hate the truth?? idiot

  • http://www.facebook.com/shane.lechner Shane Lechner

    to the author what do you have against ALEX JONES?? what you hate the truth?? idiot

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1459663634 Thomas Carney

    Adam Kokesh is a troublemaker and a liar. He claims he has been falsely prosecuted by the Marine Corps after he got out which is BS. The Corps demoted him for admitting he illegally brought a weapon into the USA from Iraq and downgraded his discharge from Honorable to Other Than Honorable for protesting in public in a Marine Corps uniform while in Individual Ready Reserve (IRR), which means he’s still in the Corps. Kokesh has been out protesting with CODE PINK and other Marxist groups.

  • hiskid

    talk is cheap there will come a time when we will have to pick up a gun or put on chains

  • hiskid

    talk is cheap there will come a time when we will have to pick up a gun or put on chains

  • hiskid

    talk is cheap there will come a time when we will have to pick up a gun or put on chains

  • hiskid

    talk is cheap there will come a time when we will have to pick up a gun or put on chains

  • ezekiel22

    Hmmmm, I was against this when I first read about it. Never mind the 10,000 armed even if not loaded march on DC. It would be an attention grabber. That was the rub. It would be way too easy for someone to create an incident to the benefit of the left and gun control advocates. I dare say it would cost lives. The more I read of this guys past the more it smells like a set up against conservatives.

    • vanguard7

      exactly!

    • vanguard7

      exactly!

    • vanguard7

      exactly!

    • William P. Homans

      Or against the left, if it could be manipulated that an agent provocateur with some putative leftist associations were to start the bloodshed and then “unmasked.”

    • William P. Homans

      Or against the left, if it could be manipulated that an agent provocateur with some putative leftist associations were to start the bloodshed and then “unmasked.”

    • William P. Homans

      Or against the left, if it could be manipulated that an agent provocateur with some putative leftist associations were to start the bloodshed and then “unmasked.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

    All too obvious shades of the Bonus March of ’32….which immediately leads the memory a little further back to the Beer Hall Putsch of 1922 and twenty-seven good men lost on the Feldherrn Strasse. Yes, I would be wholly in support of such a march provided the odds of it making a difference…one commensurate with the effort and logistics and the risks…were high enough. Frankly, I see little sense in “marching” on any place with weapons unless you either intend to be or have high expectations of using them….YOU may be carrying them as “no more than symbols” in your attempt to convey a “peaceful statement” but I can guarantee that your prez’s (he sure as Hell isn’t mine) palace guards will look upon them entirely differently.
    As most of you know, about two days ago, word was out and it came down that the OathKeepers were planning to stage such an armed march (open carry) down in Temple, Texas, in support of the Second and in protest against the local swinest and their gross abuse of authority against one SSgt Grisham in front of his son for the crime of doing absolutely nothing….it is scheduled for the 1st of June and I will attempt to be there with the cheapest weapon I can lay hands on…the reaction of the locals down there and whatever else ensues should give you an idea of what you might expect, albeit on a different scale, in Hogwashington DC if Kokesh and the IVAW do their bit. As an aside, I wouldn’t trust Michele Malkintent and what she said any further than I could blow her scrawny carcass down a new two-inch fire hose….I have no use whatsoever for her ilk of typically Birchite counterfeit kosher CONservative flagwaving trash….neither she nor Ann Coulter would make a fly speck on Elizabeth P Dilling’s rear windshield.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

    All too obvious shades of the Bonus March of ’32….which immediately leads the memory a little further back to the Beer Hall Putsch of 1922 and twenty-seven good men lost on the Feldherrn Strasse. Yes, I would be wholly in support of such a march provided the odds of it making a difference…one commensurate with the effort and logistics and the risks…were high enough. Frankly, I see little sense in “marching” on any place with weapons unless you either intend to be or have high expectations of using them….YOU may be carrying them as “no more than symbols” in your attempt to convey a “peaceful statement” but I can guarantee that your prez’s (he sure as Hell isn’t mine) palace guards will look upon them entirely differently.
    As most of you know, about two days ago, word was out and it came down that the OathKeepers were planning to stage such an armed march (open carry) down in Temple, Texas, in support of the Second and in protest against the local swinest and their gross abuse of authority against one SSgt Grisham in front of his son for the crime of doing absolutely nothing….it is scheduled for the 1st of June and I will attempt to be there with the cheapest weapon I can lay hands on…the reaction of the locals down there and whatever else ensues should give you an idea of what you might expect, albeit on a different scale, in Hogwashington DC if Kokesh and the IVAW do their bit. As an aside, I wouldn’t trust Michele Malkintent and what she said any further than I could blow her scrawny carcass down a new two-inch fire hose….I have no use whatsoever for her ilk of typically Birchite counterfeit kosher CONservative flagwaving trash….neither she nor Ann Coulter would make a fly speck on Elizabeth P Dilling’s rear windshield.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

    All too obvious shades of the Bonus March of ’32….which immediately leads the memory a little further back to the Beer Hall Putsch of 1922 and twenty-seven good men lost on the Feldherrn Strasse. Yes, I would be wholly in support of such a march provided the odds of it making a difference…one commensurate with the effort and logistics and the risks…were high enough. Frankly, I see little sense in “marching” on any place with weapons unless you either intend to be or have high expectations of using them….YOU may be carrying them as “no more than symbols” in your attempt to convey a “peaceful statement” but I can guarantee that your prez’s (he sure as Hell isn’t mine) palace guards will look upon them entirely differently.
    As most of you know, about two days ago, word was out and it came down that the OathKeepers were planning to stage such an armed march (open carry) down in Temple, Texas, in support of the Second and in protest against the local swinest and their gross abuse of authority against one SSgt Grisham in front of his son for the crime of doing absolutely nothing….it is scheduled for the 1st of June and I will attempt to be there with the cheapest weapon I can lay hands on…the reaction of the locals down there and whatever else ensues should give you an idea of what you might expect, albeit on a different scale, in Hogwashington DC if Kokesh and the IVAW do their bit. As an aside, I wouldn’t trust Michele Malkintent and what she said any further than I could blow her scrawny carcass down a new two-inch fire hose….I have no use whatsoever for her ilk of typically Birchite counterfeit kosher CONservative flagwaving trash….neither she nor Ann Coulter would make a fly speck on Elizabeth P Dilling’s rear windshield.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

    All too obvious shades of the Bonus March of ’32….which immediately leads the memory a little further back to the Beer Hall Putsch of 1922 and twenty-seven good men lost on the Feldherrn Strasse. Yes, I would be wholly in support of such a march provided the odds of it making a difference…one commensurate with the effort and logistics and the risks…were high enough. Frankly, I see little sense in “marching” on any place with weapons unless you either intend to be or have high expectations of using them….YOU may be carrying them as “no more than symbols” in your attempt to convey a “peaceful statement” but I can guarantee that your prez’s (he sure as Hell isn’t mine) palace guards will look upon them entirely differently.
    As most of you know, about two days ago, word was out and it came down that the OathKeepers were planning to stage such an armed march (open carry) down in Temple, Texas, in support of the Second and in protest against the local swinest and their gross abuse of authority against one SSgt Grisham in front of his son for the crime of doing absolutely nothing….it is scheduled for the 1st of June and I will attempt to be there with the cheapest weapon I can lay hands on…the reaction of the locals down there and whatever else ensues should give you an idea of what you might expect, albeit on a different scale, in Hogwashington DC if Kokesh and the IVAW do their bit. As an aside, I wouldn’t trust Michele Malkintent and what she said any further than I could blow her scrawny carcass down a new two-inch fire hose….I have no use whatsoever for her ilk of typically Birchite counterfeit kosher CONservative flagwaving trash….neither she nor Ann Coulter would make a fly speck on Elizabeth P Dilling’s rear windshield.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

    Well, let’s see what comes down at Temple and it might serve as somewhat of a template orparadigm….in spite of the ideological clash between OathKeeping and Koresh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hauser/1336596489 Bob Hauser

    Well, let’s see what comes down at Temple and it might serve as somewhat of a template orparadigm….in spite of the ideological clash between OathKeeping and Koresh.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Koresh, heh

  • William P. Homans

    Donald, your ignorance, game set match, dropped out all over your shoes when you said, “Someone like Ted Nugent would have my support. But not Adam Kokesh.”

    Ted Nugent spent a week peeing and defecating on himself when it was his time to go to the draft board, back in “my” war. Gawd, I thought his past was common knowledge! Nugent is a coward and a chicken hawk. He’d send your sons or daughters off to the wars, but he played insane to get out when it was his turn. I’d pee on his shoes if I ever met him.

    Bill Homans
    USA RVN 1969-70

  • William P. Homans

    Donald, your ignorance, game set match, dropped out all over your shoes when you said, “Someone like Ted Nugent would have my support. But not Adam Kokesh.”

    Ted Nugent spent a week peeing and defecating on himself when it was his time to go to the draft board, back in “my” war. Gawd, I thought his past was common knowledge! Nugent is a coward and a chicken hawk. He’d send your sons or daughters off to the wars, but he played insane to get out when it was his turn. I’d pee on his shoes if I ever met him.

    Bill Homans
    USA RVN 1969-70

  • William P. Homans

    Dude, you should know very well that any collection of Te-Party-Libertarian-style right-wingers with guns is going to be the easiest bunch to infiltrate that ever was. No way the government will not know in advance where the staging area will be, no matter for the group’s attempts at internal security. That bunch is gonna be plumb shot through with agents…

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    Excellent use of quote from Lenin opening the great blog post linked below…Kokesh put on his FB page that he works for “Obama for America” as a “Revolutionary Czar”:

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/armed-march-leader-adam-kokesh-arrested-at-marijuana-rally-real-or-staged/

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    Excellent use of quote from Lenin opening the great blog post linked below…Kokesh put on his FB page that he works for “Obama for America” as a “Revolutionary Czar”:

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/armed-march-leader-adam-kokesh-arrested-at-marijuana-rally-real-or-staged/

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    Excellent use of quote from Lenin opening the great blog post linked below…Kokesh put on his FB page that he works for “Obama for America” as a “Revolutionary Czar”:

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/armed-march-leader-adam-kokesh-arrested-at-marijuana-rally-real-or-staged/

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    Excellent use of quote from Lenin opening the great blog post linked below…Kokesh put on his FB page that he works for “Obama for America” as a “Revolutionary Czar”:

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/armed-march-leader-adam-kokesh-arrested-at-marijuana-rally-real-or-staged/

  • Thomas Sharp

    Once again, good call on the collaborator Kokesh.
    http://youtu.be/zck99FHRXpU
    The above is a link to someone else that makes sense about this.

  • Thomas Sharp

    Once again, good call on the collaborator Kokesh.
    http://youtu.be/zck99FHRXpU
    The above is a link to someone else that makes sense about this.

  • Thomas Sharp

    Once again, good call on the collaborator Kokesh.
    http://youtu.be/zck99FHRXpU
    The above is a link to someone else that makes sense about this.

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    Code Pink/Muslim Brotherhood agent Kokesh has called off the poorly-conceived march on D.C.:

    http://theinternationallibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/05/adam-kokesh-announces-that-open-carry.html

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    Code Pink/Muslim Brotherhood agent Kokesh has called off the poorly-conceived march on D.C.:

    http://theinternationallibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/05/adam-kokesh-announces-that-open-carry.html

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

    Code Pink/Muslim Brotherhood agent Kokesh has called off the poorly-conceived march on D.C.:

    http://theinternationallibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/05/adam-kokesh-announces-that-open-carry.html

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