About the author: Donald Joy

Following his service in the United State Air Force, Donald Joy earned a bachelor of science in business administration from SUNY while serving in the army national guard. As a special deputy U.S. marshal, Don was on the protection detail for Attorney General John Ashcroft following the attacks of 9/11. He lives in the D.C. suburbs of Northern Virginia with his wife and son.

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  • Tom

    I agree. That’s why I can’t live near Christians either. I mean I barely escaped from the Oklahoma City bombing (Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic) and was saved in the nick of time in Aurora, Colorado when James Holmes opened fire (he was Lutheran).

    With your impeccable logic, we should take away the Constitutional rights of white men too. They are the most likely to become mass and serial killers. I mean anything other than what you believe to be in your best interest deserves the suspension of habeas corpus, right? Why not give up some essential freedoms for a little bit of safety? I’m sure a founding father like Ben Franklin would agree with you, right? Oh wait…

    Of course of all the things that could have happened, your conversation with
    this Muslim gentleman is the least likely thing to have happened. Ever.

    • Zundfolge

      Timothy McVeigh was a self professed Agnostic who said “science is my religion”.

      James Holmes is a self professed “hater of Christians” and now a convert to Islam.

      Tom, I still can’t honestly tell if you’re genuinely this stupid, or you’re a fellow conservative that is just brilliant at lampooning liberals with your troll like comments on this site.

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

        Bravo, Zundfolge.

      • Tom

        You do know that McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of Anointing of the Sick the day before he was executed, right? That doesn’t sound very scientific to me.

        • Zundfolge

          So he returned to his Catholic roots AFTER he was sentenced to death for murdering children … the point still stands that when he placed the bombs he was clearly in the agnostic camp, not acting as some sort of Christian terrorist.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Zundfolge FTW again!

          • Tom

            Are you sure that he ever left it? I’m not. Reading his quotes about science in context it doesn’t appear that he ever truly left his religious beliefs at the door. More that science is a supplement.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          When did McVeigh ever say that his massacre had anything to do with Catholicism, or give any indication that it did?

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Tom–If you’d trouble yourself to read the article, you’d realize that Aurora theater shooter James Holmes has declared that his massacre was an act of Islamic jihad against infidels. And you’d realize that your bogus claim about McVeigh doesn’t fly, either (Zundfolge’s comment may be helpful to you).

      Oh, and despite what you say, white males are actually less likely, statistically & proportionally, to be mass/serial killers than are non-whites.

      Yes, both conversations with 2 different Muslim men that I describe took place. I live in an area heavily populated by them, with multiple mega-mosques which have cranked out some of the worst of the worst terrorists. Do you have any experience with or knowledge of the actual nature of Islam yourself? Care to describe how you think Islam was spread by Mohammed, and where modern day terrorists find their instructions?

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Also, Tom, does the word “aggregates” mean anything to you?

      • Tom

        Just because some conspiracy theorists state that Holmes converted doesn’t make it true. Same thing with McVeigh. I could also point to the Columbine kids as well. I really enjoy that you ignore the fact that white men are also the most likely to be mass/serial killers as well.

        Also you want to talk about aggregates? This article mentions the last 1,400 years. Do you REALLY want to go back 1,400 years with Christians? Do YOU want to talk about how Christianity was spread (psst. it was with the sword). The Spanish Inquisition alone is around 150,000 deaths (do you want to chat about the Crusades?) More recently, LBJ and GWB were Christians and both started unnecessary wars (Gulf Of Tonkin cover-up and the WMD false intel) and were directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands.

        I’ve never been to this site before, but the amount of circular logic and racism is unreal. I’ve never seen a bigger bunch or middle age white men (I’m also a middle aged white man) crying about their lack of white privilege and vilifying ‘The Other’ whatever the other happens to be at the moment. I actually thought this was an example of Poe’s Law, but nope. It’s a bunch of scared keyboard warriors.

        • Tom

          Also, would you please confirm that you want to disallow habeas corpus to fellow American citizens, if they are Muslim? I want to be perfectly clear where you stand.

          • retired cop in marana arizona

            And I see you want to bring up habeas corpus for muslims, but what will protect all non-muslims when sharia law is forced down our throats?

          • Tom Howell

            Care to give one example of Shiaria law has been enforced and has overridden the Constitution. You can’t. Please stop…

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            If they affirm their intent to subvert our laws and freedoms and safety by refusing to renounce the murder cult of Islam, YES, round them up and deport them to East B.F. where they can follow the depravity of Mohammed all they wish.

          • Tom Howell

            Yikes. That is the troublesome point I mean. I don’t agree with their stance at all, but you can NOT go around and decided who the 1st, 4th, 5th (and any other for that matter) amendments apply to.

            This is the classic case of ‘I hate what you say, but I will defend your right to say it to the death’

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            No, it’s not. It’s not merely people “saying ” things. Innocents are being blown to pieces in the street by terrorist bombings in broad daylight. Buildings with hundreds of people inside are being destroyed by jumbo jets full of people being flown into them, and countless smaller attacks are taking place elsewhere. There is and has been a declared, hot war being fought against America and the West, and the attacks just keep on coming–some are stopped, some aren’t–and the supporters/adherents of the enemy are among us. Round them all up and deport or otherwise check them, and keep them in check, or convert them. This is a relatively new phase of a very old war, about which people like you are in abject denial.

        • Zundfolge

          The Columbine kids? Really? You mean the same kids that blew Cassie Bernall away when she said “Yes” to their question; “Do you believe in God?” Yeah that sounds like they were clearly motivated by Christianity.

          As for spreading religion by the sword, I can go to the core theology of ANY major religion and point to you where spreading the faith by the sword is expressly forbidden EXCEPT Islam where it’s not only accepted, but ordered by Allah.

          • Ktulutu

            Don’t waste time talking to this “Tom” he is clearly a liar and I would doubt very much white. You can tell because he went straight to the liberal whining points that they always fall back on “WASP this and that” even though no one had brought anything of the sort up.

            Then he tries the tactic of trying to pin you down on habeas corpus even though he would never stand to answer any questions himself. Like what is the muslim line of homosexuality? Conversion from islam? Rape of “Western sluts”?

            Perhaps if “Tom” were have as smart as he thinks he is he would know that the Crusades were basically a reaction to countless attacks by muslims on unarmed Christian pilgrims in the Holy Lands that had been stolen from them.

            Or that Muslim terrorists still manage to kill more innocent people every 12 months than the Spanish Inquisition did in 350 years.

            Or better yet that those events happened HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO.

            In short he is a fool.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Bravo, Ktulutu

          • Tom Howell

            Here you go. From my picture you can clearly see that I am Caucasian (nice job of race baiting, however).

            Your points on habeas corpus are nonsensical. I am talking rule of law and all of you are dancing around it. Moreover, I already stated earlier that I’m not defending Muslims. I hold all religions on the same plane. I am pointing out hypocrisy and really awful analysis. If you think that religion and not socio-economic and geo-political issues are not the underlying drivers, you are a fool.

            Got a citation on how Muslims kill more than 150,000 people a year? I’m calling bullshit.

            Also, you are over simplifying history. The Muslims taking Jerusalem was part of the Arab and Byzantine war (which had NOTHING to do with Europe or the Catholic Church).The first crusades were initiated because the Church of Rome wanted the holy lands back (and to make money) despite the fact that Christians were not only allowed entrance into the holy lands, but were escorted by Muslim warriors during their pilgrimage because the Christians were “People of the Book”. Nice attempt at rewriting history.

            Lastly, I wouldn’t have even brought this up except the author mentions the last 1400 years.

          • Thomas Sharp

            From you photo, it does indeed look like you like Caucasian Men. Also that you may be a liberal idiot troll.
            It was on the internet so it has to be true.

          • Tom

            I posted it elsewhere, but here you go: I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword Matthew 10:34

            Yeah, not forbidden. So, Christianity too…

          • Zundfolge

            Again, this is not an order to go kill people, but simply Christ explaining that his coming, his teaching and the changes those brought were going to cause conflict.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Division, not murder.

          • Tom

            Screw it. Have a few more from the Bible:

            Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships
            Another God: Deuteronomy 13:13-19

            Kill Followers of Other Religions:.Deuteronomy
            13:7-12 & Deuteronomy 17:2-5

            Infidels Should Die: Romans 1:24-32

            You Have to Kill: Jeremiah
            48:10

          • Zundfolge

            Those where specific orders given to the people of Israel by God a long time ago, not commandments for all people for all time (except for the Romans one which is a warning that there are eternal consequences to sin … again, not an order to convert anyone by the sword).

            Nice try though.

          • Tom Howell

            Oh, the old, we ignore what we don’t agree with. Got it.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Nailed it.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          It’s been widely reported regarding Holmes’ stated motives and conversion, etc.

          http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/21/aurora-theater-shooter-james-holmes-converts-islam/

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Nowhere in Christian texts is it commanded that the faith be spread by terror and the sword, as it is endlessly commanded in Islam that followers of Mohammed do so, as he did.

          So, those who do violence in the name of Christianity can truly be said to be perverting the religion, while those who are “moderate” Muslims can truly be said to be distorting theirs.

          • Tom Howell

            That’s the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. It doesn’t hold up.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            No, it’s not, and yes, it does. I refer you to the actual doctrinal texts themselves, and to the examples of Christ vs. Mohammed, respectively.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Tom, statistically white males, being the largest demographic cohort among serial/mass killers in terms of mere raw numbers, are largest in number, yet individual white males are less likely to be mass/serial killers than non-white males–proportionally, non-whites ARE MORE LIKELY to be mass/serial killers based on their individual likelihood/representation in the aggregate tallies. Get a clue, and get a grip on basic statistical analysis.

          • Tom Howell

            Where is your citation? How can you never, ever provide credible evidence. You constantly pull stuff out of thin air.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            That’s funny, all I’ve done is reply to YOUR claim, without you providing any citation, pulling it out of thin air and typical leftist drivel, about white males and their likelihood of being mass/serial killers. Yet you complain about me not providing a citation. (My statements are from FBI stats). You’re not worthy, based on that dishonesty alone, of further debate.

          • Tom Howell
          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            No support for your assertion there, besides being late.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            You trying to say that Dr. Warner’s presentation isn’t credible? I doubt you even watched it.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          The Crusades were merely last-ditch, defensive campaigns against Islamic aggression:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

          • Tom Howell

            No, no they weren’t. They were an attempt at a land and financial grab. I stated earlier that Muslim warriors would escort Christian pilgrims to the Holy Lands prior to the first crusade. The Church of Rome set of the powder keg.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Nonsense.

  • Thomas Sharp

    Liberal sickness has indeed infiltrated the Christian Church.
    So many false prophets and misinformation fed to people polishing pews with their backsides too lazy to inform themselves with scripture when it is available to them in many forms.
    Abortionists kill more innocent lives than Muslims on a daily basis. Unfortunately, in America these forms of murder are permitted too, by the same individuals that are protecting peoples “rights”.
    God help US for only he can. I fear he won’t until we acknowledge His authority again.

  • WeroInNM

    “Innocent” Saudi has ties to several Al-Qaeda Terrorists (Part 2)!
    http://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/blogs/innocent-saudi-has-ties-to-several-al-qaeda-terrorists-part-2
    “Food For Thought”

    God Bless Victims Of Boston Marathon-God Bless America!

    Semper Fi!

    Jake

  • http://www.facebook.com/timothy.mohr.7 Timothy Mohr

    I’m in no way a hippie, or a Liberal. However, I don’t have as much of a problem with the message of the Coexist sticker as I used to. If you look at it carefully, and not look at the shallow end that Liberals often portray, the message of Coexisting, is sent to every religion. It’s not the Liberal message of “Christians need to treat Muslims with absolute tolerance, no matter how many times they are blown up.” The basic message is that people of every religion need to treat people of every religion with respect. Christians need to respect Hindu’s, Muslims need to respect Jews, Atheists need to respect Christians, Hindu’s need to respect Atheists, etc. and visa versa. Basically, in short the message is “Treat others the way you want to be treated.” It doesn’t mean you need to except the other persons religious beliefs in order to respect them. All it means is that you can walk down the street, eat at a restaurant, and shop at a store surrounded by people of other religions and interact with those people without hate and malice. I believe in that, but I also believe that you can’t tolerate being blown up, executed, and shot down in the name of jihad. What people don’t realize is that not tolerating that doesn’t go against the Coexist belief. Why? Because the Jihadist isn’t Coexisting with you, he is not being tolerant of you, and so you do not have to tolerate those intolerant actions. The message is to all walks of life, if Muslims coexisted with Christians, we wouldn’t have all these bombings and shootings in the name of Jihad. But the fact is that it is happening, Jihad is being proclaimed, and we can’t coexist with intolerance. We can only coexist by having a mutual agreement to treat each other with respect.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      So, in short, all you said is that you can’t “coexist” with people who want to kill you.

      • retired cop in marana arizona

        Okay Don, I’ll help you to reply by mentioning that the Quran instructs Muslims to punish (up to killing them) non-believers, primarily Christians and Jews, who do not convert to Islam. How’s that for proof of non-coexistence? I studied world religions, way back in my college days, and read the Quran as part of the course.

        • Tom

          Man, you folks really know how to put
          blinders on. Here’s some stuff similar stuff from the Bible:

          Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships
          Another God: Deuteronomy 13:13-19

          Kill Followers of Other Religions:.Deuteronomy
          13:7-12 & Deuteronomy 17:2-5

          Infidels Should Die: Romans 1:24-32

          You Have to Kill: Jeremiah
          48:10

          I could go on. Oh, and before the inevitable
          “But this is almost all Old Testament” excuse comes up:

          For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass
          away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.
          Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches
          men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does
          them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:18-19

          It is easier for Heaven and
          Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to
          become invalid. Luke 16:17

          Do not think that I have come
          to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but
          to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the
          smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until
          all things have taken place. Matthew 5:17

          So, when you studied world religions did they
          teach the Bible or are you willingly ignoring the nastier bits?

          • John Kirkwood

            It appears you went to the same school as Dan Savage; what version are you reading. Brutal translation my friend and to anyone who has read the Bible, scratch that, even attended a 2nd rate Sunday School; your exegesis is laughable. But let’s settle the dispute with one question:
            Donald Joy brought up the 20,000 terrorist acts since 9/11 that have been perpetrated by Islamists. When was the last time that you read that Baptists go on rampage or Jewish terror cell blows up daycare center? How about those suicide nuns that trained at the Vatican?
            Now, tell me about those blinders again, Tom?

          • Tom

            Care to point out where I’m wrong instead of throwing out ad hominem attacks? I gave specific examples and you dismiss without any evidence whatsoever.

            Will this quote work for you: I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword Matthew 10:34

            Just because you want something to mean a thing, doesn’t make it true. I’ve read the Bible (and the Qur’an, The Sutras, Rig Veda and countless other religious texts) and I am able to look at it with a critical eye. I have similar doubts about you.

            See, you make the faulty assumption that I sympathize with Muslims. I don’t. I don’t have a horse in this race. I hold all religions in the same regard. My point here is the blatant hypocrisy and complete circle-jerk that occurs on this website (and the fact that the author wants to deny basic civil rights to American citizens based on religion that is not his own).

            Moreover, people are drawing false equivalencies. How does one define terrorist attacks? I would contend that drone strikes could be considered terrorist attacks. But, why draw the line at such semantics? The horrifying aspect of these attacks are innocent lives are lost, right? How many innocent people were killed in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan due to military strikes? All of these wars were overseen by a Christian President and a completely or almost completely Christian Congress.

            What should really be examined are the underlying factors as to why terrorist attacks happen. If you think it is something so simple as religion, that is incredibly, incredibly myopic.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Tom, in Islam there is the doctrine of subsequent abrogation, wherein the more violent, later scriptures supersede any earlier, milder ones. In Christianity, it’s the other way around–the New Testament, a completely fresh and different message, obviates the violence found in some of the Old Testament.

            In any case, you haven’t a leg to stand on when trying to draw equivalence between the historical and modern day abomination of slaughter that Islamic terrorism represents, trying to compare it to the long-gone instances of Judaic violence which may or may not be accurately interpreted.

            Furthermore, isolated instances of non-Islamic violence today have no resemblance WHATSOEVER to the global pandemic of Muslim terror, and wars continuing wherever Muslims exist, caused by them.

          • Thomas Sharp

            Your words: “Just because you want something to mean a thing, doesn’t make it true”
            Do you even look at the words you are typing?
            You can’t even understand the scripture you are using to try and make a point with.
            Your point being blatant hypocrisy? Looks like, from where I am, that you are not sure what some words mean.

          • Tom Howell

            Hypocrisy: The state of pretending to a set of moral beliefs, virtues or principles that one does not actually have

            Secondly, I’m pretty sure I am extremely well versed in the Christian and other religious texts. You may not like what I write, but you don’t provide and evidence that I’m wrong.

          • Thomas Sharp

            I like the truth, yet you have failed to present any of it.
            You twist on Biblical scripture is diabolical, You “understanding” of the Koran is naive if not absolutely disingenuous and I am not interested in showing you anything.
            In fact, I wish you took your liberal butt to another place altogether.

          • snafubar

            Tom,

            When is the last time you saw a Jew or Christian take out dozens or hundreds of people with a suicide bomb, screaming “Jesus is the only God” or “Jehovah is the only God”?

            Just sayin’.

          • Tom

            Abortion clinic bombings. It’s not a suicide attack, but it’s religiously motivated.

          • retired cop in marana arizona

            What communist playbook are you quoting from? That’s exactly how it taught in Manchuria, eh?

          • Tom

            I’m pretty far from a communist. I’m an executive at an IT firm with an MBA from a top 100 global program – I dig the free market. However, I love the ad hominem attacks. They are hilarious. It shows the weakness of your position.

          • snafubar

            No, you are a communist. No matter how much you make, or where you work. You’re just too stupid to realize it.

            Seen many useful idiots, for many years, just like you.

          • Tom Howell

            Again, how are you coming to this conclusion? What evidence has been provided that even remotely suggest that I am a communist? There isn’t any. I’m going to have to assume that with the lack of evidence you paint all individuals who disagree with you as a ‘communist’

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            If this is your first time on this site, how did you wind up here?

          • Tom Howell

            A facebook link from a friend. He posted a cartoon that linked back to this website.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            That’s the best comment you’ve made so far.

          • Thomas Sharp

            You sure to be full of IT

          • Tom Howell

            Hey, give me some points where I’m wrong. I’ve already admitted to one error. Unlike anyone else here in the circle jerk despite evidence provided.

          • jim jon jan

            why are you trying to draw a relativism between Christianity and Islam — it’s disturbing, you are suffering a mental disorder

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Tom, please supply one instance where an abortion clinic bombing has taken out dozens or hundreds of people, and wherein the bomber screamed the religious maxims mentioned, as the questioner stipulated.

          • Tom

            Birmingham bombing. Killed three and injured hundreds more.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            A. Not an abortion clinic, as stipulated, and B. didn’t kill dozens or hundreds, as stipulated.

            Why don’t you just admit that your statement was false?

          • Tom Howell

            My source was incorrect. I should have obtained a secondary source. However, I will state that the man I was referencing – Eric Robert Rudolph – was connected to Christian Identity and his attacks did include abortion clinics and his total attacks are the number I cited NOT one individual attack on an abortion clinic. I was in error on that point.

          • snafubar

            1963.

            Wow.

            How relevant.

          • snafubar

            And how many of those have there been, Tom? Honestly?

            Abortion is also religiously motivated. The religion is statism.

            Your religion.

            PS, Islam isn’t just a “religion”. (Actually, it isn’t a religion at all)

            It is a political/religious/legal way of life. a.k.a., Sharia Law.

            It has no place in the USA.

          • Tom

            Awesome. Glad to know where you stand on Constitutional rights. Screw the Establishment Clause, right?

            My religion? Care to elaborate? I don’t understand what point you are trying to make.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Islam is not merely a religion. Study up. I suggest you at least read the article, for starters

          • snafubar

            The bill of rights (which I’m sure you HATE, like OBOZO, since they “restrict” his dictatorial rule),

            protect us from religious persecution, and also protect our freedom to practice our religion. It also prohibits the gov’t from installing a state religion. (AKA Sharia)

            Your religion is statism. AKA, Al Gore. AKA Obozo.

            If you don’t understand my point, you are stupid.

          • Tom Howell

            What in the bloody hell are you talking about? That’s exactly what I am worried about and why I mentioned that I was worried about the notion that habeas corpus wouldn’t apply to Muslims. What in ANYTHING I have written makes you think that I hate the Bill of Rights?

            Holy hell. You know nothing about my political leanings. At best you could state that I am not a hard line member of the Tea Party. Other than that, my posts could come from a Progressive, a Liberal, a (small c) conservative, or a Libertarian.

          • Thomas Sharp

            Committed by a crazy person, denounced publicly by Christians
            Where have the “moderate muslims” ever denounced the actions of radical Jihadists publicly?

          • Tom Howell

            Oh, the No True Scotsman Fallacy. I’ve seen this one before – in this thread even!

            Here something to help you with your question regarding Moderate Muslims: http://bit.ly/103S8Kr

          • Thomas Sharp

            So, there are two moderate muslims in the world.
            Indeed that is two more than I thought there were, but then again they are used to lying to infidels so… I am going to call BS right now.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Tom, you missed the part where Christ said he came to transcend the old law, make it moot, and bring a new message, a new way, and a new Testament.

          • Tom

            No, I didn’t. I cited two passages where Jesus specifically states that the laws of Moses are immutable. Let me check the evidence you cite…oh, wait.

            By the way, are you going to answer my question about habeas corpus and American citizens who are Muslims? I think that’s a pretty legitimate question.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            I answered it. And what you say about Jesus is distorted. A good example of Jesus’ new paradigm is his override of “an eye for an eye,” replacing it with “turn the other cheek.” I’m sure you’ll have no problem digging up that scripture.

          • Tom Howell

            No, not at all. But the Bible is full of contradictions.Those passages don’t invalidate the ones that I cited. The story of the fig tree is another great example.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            No contradiction there, actually–by saying he came to fulfill the law instead of abolish it, he meant that he was taking the punishment for humanity on Himself.

          • Tom Howell

            Okay, even with that interpretation, the laws of Moses apply in perpetuity. The violent laws do not change.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Tom, if you think Mohammed beheading those who didn’t submit to Islam, and raping women of tribes brought under subjugation to Islam, is equivalent to Jesus’ words and deeds in ANY way, you just aren’t as smart as you think.

          • Tom Howell

            I’m not trying to draw an equivalency. There doesn’t need to be one. I’m pointing out the holes in the reasoning.

            Everything else aside, it boils down to one point. You want to deny basic civil rights to a group of individuals with whom you disagree. That is 100% unequivocally un-American and wrong. I am willing to take the everyday risks and allow speech and beliefs, even those – actually, especially those – that I disagree with to be allowed no matter what. If it brings risk, so be it. Freedom is hard, scary, and yes, dangerous.

            I am full of nothing but contempt for those that will sacrifice the basic freedoms of the Constitution for a little bit of perceived safety. Anyone who advocates for those removal of freedoms are complete cowards and should be ashamed of themselves.

          • Sandy

            Hebrews 13:8 (King James Version)
            Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

            why did it go from this:

            Deuteronomy 25 (King James Version)
            11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:

            12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.John 13:34

            to this?

            A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

          • Sandy

            Hebrews 13:8 (King James Version)
            Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

            why did it go from this:

            Deuteronomy 25 (King James Version)
            11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:

            12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.John 13:34

            to this?

            A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

          • Sandy

            Hebrews 13:8 (King James Version)
            Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

            why did it go from this:

            Deuteronomy 25 (King James Version)
            11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:

            12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.John 13:34

            to this?

            A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

          • Thomas Sharp

            You lying sack of goat shagged dung,
            Romans 1:24-32 does not say infidels should die.

          • Tom Howell

            Are you literate?

            So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too

          • Thomas Sharp

            Where is the Kill infidels part, Tom?

          • Thomas Sharp

            Just one example for you Tom. Nothing in here telling Christians to kill others.
            Romans 1:24-32

            New International Version (NIV)

            24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

            26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In
            the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and
            were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts
            with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their
            error.

            28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They
            have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and
            depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice.
            They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

          • Dennis

            Your ignorance of the Bible and the God thereof is astounding.

          • Alex M

            Is he wrong, then? Does Deuteronomy not really talk about putting to the sword every living thing in a city, even the cattle, where any have been found to be false-god worshippers?

          • Alex M

            Is he wrong, then? Does Deuteronomy not really talk about putting to the sword every living thing in a city, even the cattle, where any have been found to be false-god worshippers?

          • Alex M

            Is he wrong, then? Does Deuteronomy not really talk about putting to the sword every living thing in a city, even the cattle, where any have been found to be false-god worshippers?

          • Dennis

            Your ignorance of the Bible and the God thereof is astounding.

          • Dennis

            Your ignorance of the Bible and the God thereof is astounding.

          • Dennis

            Your ignorance of the Bible and the God thereof is astounding.

  • immykal

    My first question would be – why is a Muslim in your church?

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Our group rents the space from the church. The group is open. Can you figure out what kind of group it might be?

  • snafubar

    Around the globe we witness:

    Christians living in peace with Jews.
    Jews living in peace with Hindus.
    Christians living in peace with Hindus.
    Buddhists living in peace with Hindus.
    Christians living in peace with Buddhists .

    At the same time we also witness:

    Muslims at war with Christians.
    Muslims at war with Jews.
    Muslims at war with Hindus.
    Muslims at war with Buddhists.

    Where there is war, what is the common denominator?

    Just sayin’.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Bingo, snafubar

    • 7papa7

      And what does the mad Marxist in DC do, makes excuses and supports these murderous thugs and terrorists. He keeps saying he is going to get to the bottom of their attacks, how many have been arrested for Benghazi now? Boston was taken care of more by the locals or we probably wouldn’t have them yet. Since obama took office the terrorist and drug cartels from the south have had free reign in America. We need a president with a backbone and who is more concerned with protecting America, his job, and not worry about placating our sworn enemies and thugs.

      • Ben Dover

        He does have a backbone ! It is a very strong Muslim Backbone, supported by Marxist Steel (Should that be steal ?) beams & props. You are governed by a reigning Islamic-Marxist petty Oligarch, with a book full of Executive Edicts – get used to it – Sieg Heil Obama !

      • Ben Dover

        He does have a backbone ! It is a very strong Muslim Backbone, supported by Marxist Steel (Should that be steal ?) beams & props. You are governed by a reigning Islamic-Marxist petty Oligarch, with a book full of Executive Edicts – get used to it – Sieg Heil Obama !

        • 7papa7

          You are correct, I had the audacity to think in the way of America first.

        • 7papa7

          You are correct, I had the audacity to think in the way of America first.

    • 7papa7

      And what does the mad Marxist in DC do, makes excuses and supports these murderous thugs and terrorists. He keeps saying he is going to get to the bottom of their attacks, how many have been arrested for Benghazi now? Boston was taken care of more by the locals or we probably wouldn’t have them yet. Since obama took office the terrorist and drug cartels from the south have had free reign in America. We need a president with a backbone and who is more concerned with protecting America, his job, and not worry about placating our sworn enemies and thugs.

    • 7papa7

      And what does the mad Marxist in DC do, makes excuses and supports these murderous thugs and terrorists. He keeps saying he is going to get to the bottom of their attacks, how many have been arrested for Benghazi now? Boston was taken care of more by the locals or we probably wouldn’t have them yet. Since obama took office the terrorist and drug cartels from the south have had free reign in America. We need a president with a backbone and who is more concerned with protecting America, his job, and not worry about placating our sworn enemies and thugs.

    • Guest

      A lot of Christians are being attacked, raped and murdered by Hindus in India.

    • Guest

      A lot of Christians are being attacked, raped and murdered by Hindus in India.

    • Guest

      A lot of Christians are being attacked, raped and murdered by Hindus in India.

  • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy
  • snafubar

    The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.”

    Islam isn’t about peace. It is about “submission” or “surrender.”

    Hell no.

    • Tom Howell

      Eh, there’s more nuance to it than that. For example, Christians surrender their will to their God.

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

        Facing no physical threat from Christianity itself here on Earth, that is. In Islam, the physical threats and actual terror tactics are abundant, the key part of the compulsion. Death for apostasy, just for one example.

      • Bill Board

        Christians surrender their will to a kind, loving and forgiving God, muslims, on the other hand, surrender their souls to an allah and pervert prophet who encourages them to kill for no other reason than religion and lifestyle.

  • Tom Burnett

    Don…don’t get dragged into the Religion vs Religion argument. Christians have done some pretty bad things as well – but their desire in life is not to end it as a martyr by killing unbelievers. You cannot co-exist with someone who wants to kill you. That was your point and it was well taken. But then you went off on an anger trip and that’s not good. Anger throws your aim off every time. Let the anger go but keep your firearms.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      I’m only happy when I’m pissed off. ;-)

      • $5708171

        I’m right there with you on this one. We better wake up and quick. We have to quit being “nice”. We better get rougher and tougher than any muslim out there. This is a war, and we are more concerned with being “cool” and “tolerant” (of them) than we are with our own integrity.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Well-said.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Well-said.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Well-said.

      • Thomas Sharp

        Time to play Cowboys and Muslims.

      • Thomas Sharp

        Time to play Cowboys and Muslims.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Besides, friend, if you think I’m actually angry on this thread, you should see me when I am. I’m being NICE. Despite the fact that the murder cult which resulted in the death of little martin Richard, who reminds me of my own son, is being equated here with the faith generated by Christ.

  • Bill Board

    There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. They ALL read the same book.

    • Tom Howell

      So, there is no nuance in Christianity? I’m pretty sure the Westboro Baptist Church reads the same book as the Catholics, which is the same one Evangelicals read, which is also the same one for Lutherans…but Christians are all the same, right?

      • Bill Board

        The Christian’s Book (Bible) doesn’t promote killing “infidels”. Did you not read the article?

        “The evidence? 1,400 years of documented, hyper-aggressive, brutal
        conquest, including over 20,000 acts of terror around the globe just
        since September 11th, 2001 alone, and all of it commanded by the
        manifold doctrinal texts of Islam”.

        • Tom Howell

          Look elsewhere in this thread for historical precedence. Christianity has a history of militant conquest and torture for even longer.

          Do you share the same criticism of the United States? The United States kills far more innocents than militant Muslims. Is that okay?

          • Bill Board

            You are wrong. Syria alone has murdered over 70,000 innocent people in their own country. Not to mention Iraq and Iran. Also, over the last 1400 years, 270 million non-believers were murdered by Muslim jihadists. Now you show me where the U.S. has killed more than 270m & 70k in it’s 200+ year history. Enlighten yourself… http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/in-the-name-of-allah.htm

          • drdbiggs

            Christianity has evolved from the middle ages and what happened, Islam has not! Check out the Berg and Daniel Pearl be-headings

            You sir are a Moron!!.

          • drdbiggs

            Christianity has evolved from the middle ages and what happened, Islam has not! Check out the Berg and Daniel Pearl be-headings

            You sir are a Moron!!.

          • drdbiggs

            Christianity has evolved from the middle ages and what happened, Islam has not! Check out the Berg and Daniel Pearl be-headings

            You sir are a Moron!!.

          • drdbiggs

            Christianity has evolved from the middle ages and what happened, Islam has not! Check out the Berg and Daniel Pearl be-headings

            You sir are a Moron!!.

      • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

        Westboro is a handful of loons, whereas Islamic terrorists and their support networks in various forms and levels represent tens or even hundreds of millions of people.

        • Tom Howell

          Again, I’m not trying to draw an area of equivalency, but the “they all read from the same book” is a foolish argument and I was trying to point that out.

          I’m all for different points of view, but holy crap most of the comments in this thread are deplorable. They don’t hold up to the least amount of scrutiny. It’s ‘You’re a communist” or other crappy ad hominem attacks without any real dialogue.

          I’m happy to admit when I’m wrong. I’ve already done it once, but really, no one here seems to be interested in discussing the issues, but would rather have their own opinions validated by other people basically saying, ‘You’re so right!’

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Seeing as the Westboro whackos read the same book as Mother Theresa did, shall you point to the instances where the Westboro people have killed anyone? Didn’t think so. It goes to the point of all Muslims reading the same book, with literally countless terrorists being bred thereby.

          • Tom Howell
          • Deb

            Ah. A Slate reader. That explains things a bit. You poor wee laddie. You need some salve for the eyes and some Mark Levin and Jonah Goldberg for the brain.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Oh, my bad, I forgot all about Mother Theresa sending suicide bombers into shopping bazaars full of innocent people, sorry.

          • Bill Board

            Thank you for expressing the point I was trying to make with the Muslim sympather, who said my statement was “foolish”.

          • jimbo124816

            Even the Bible that the Westboro whackos read doesn’t promise them dozens of virgins to rape when they get to Heaven. It also doesn’t require them to kill anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their particular religious beliefs, in order to gain admission to Heaven. And it doesn’t encourage them to blow up innocent people in large groups, so that God won’t see fit to kill them.

            The Westboro whackos are just that, wackos. They are a very small group of people who follow a nut case who calls himself a “pastor”, but is mentally unstable.

            The radical Muslims are a group of billions of people who follow “the moon god” and his prophet mohammad, a sexual pervert, child molester, violent military self appointed leader of a religion which he made up from the deep recesses of his troubled mind.

          • jimbo124816

            Even the Bible that the Westboro whackos read doesn’t promise them dozens of virgins to rape when they get to Heaven. It also doesn’t require them to kill anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their particular religious beliefs, in order to gain admission to Heaven. And it doesn’t encourage them to blow up innocent people in large groups, so that God won’t see fit to kill them.

            The Westboro whackos are just that, wackos. They are a very small group of people who follow a nut case who calls himself a “pastor”, but is mentally unstable.

            The radical Muslims are a group of billions of people who follow “the moon god” and his prophet mohammad, a sexual pervert, child molester, violent military self appointed leader of a religion which he made up from the deep recesses of his troubled mind.

          • jimbo124816

            Even the Bible that the Westboro whackos read doesn’t promise them dozens of virgins to rape when they get to Heaven. It also doesn’t require them to kill anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their particular religious beliefs, in order to gain admission to Heaven. And it doesn’t encourage them to blow up innocent people in large groups, so that God won’t see fit to kill them.

            The Westboro whackos are just that, wackos. They are a very small group of people who follow a nut case who calls himself a “pastor”, but is mentally unstable.

            The radical Muslims are a group of billions of people who follow “the moon god” and his prophet mohammad, a sexual pervert, child molester, violent military self appointed leader of a religion which he made up from the deep recesses of his troubled mind.

          • Eldon Roehl

            Considering that over 70% of muslims want sharia to be the law of the land in their country, I think we are approaching the homogeneity of 98% of blacks voting democrat.

          • Eldon Roehl

            Considering that over 70% of muslims want sharia to be the law of the land in their country, I think we are approaching the homogeneity of 98% of blacks voting democrat.

          • Eldon Roehl

            Considering that over 70% of muslims want sharia to be the law of the land in their country, I think we are approaching the homogeneity of 98% of blacks voting democrat.

          • Eldon Roehl

            Considering that over 70% of muslims want sharia to be the law of the land in their country, I think we are approaching the homogeneity of 98% of blacks voting democrat.

        • Deb

          It’s simple, Donald. Ask the ‘brave’ thinker of safe and correct thoughts which religion would most likely seek his death or force him into hiding if tomorrow he placed its sacred book in a jar of his urine, filmed it, and posted it on YouTube under his real name. He knows the answer. Even Bill Maher knows the answer. Everyone does. All the rest of his ‘I-just-read-the-latest-atheist-screed-so-I-know-more-about-the-Bible-than-centuries-of-Christian-theology’ blather is just the empty noise of a poseur who thinks he’s an intellectual. You’ve been doing an admirable job in your responses and explanations but he’s not listening and he’s not very discerning. You’re really just casting pearls before swine when all’s done.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            So extremely well-said, Deb!

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            I think most people like him really just don’t want to confront a very unpleasant reality, that war has been declared and is being waged against us, on various levels of strategy and tactics, and that very painful positions have to be taken to counter it. They’d just as soon run interference for the enemy, and/or say that all people like us are doing is projecting our own ugliness and defects onto the “other,” etc. It’s sophistry and delusion and fantasyland wishfulness. There are times when the wolf actually is at the door.

          • Deb

            Let’s hope the U.S. is like Vienna in 1683, and not Constantinople in 1453.

          • snafubar

            Where’s Jan Sobieski when you need him?

          • drdbiggs

            Here, Here!!

          • drdbiggs

            Here, Here!!

          • drdbiggs

            Here, Here!!

  • Tom Howell

    It seems posts are being moderated and I’m not sure if this will go through or not, but I want to make one final point.

    Mr. Joy advocates to ” Round them all up and deport or otherwise check them, and keep them in check, or convert them [Muslims]” This includes stripping them of habeas corpus and other basic civil liberties.

    I cannot conceive of a more un-American line of thinking.

    Every citizen of this country deserves equal protection under the law. This type of thinking is what led to the internment of thousands of Japanese-Americans during World War II. It is disgusting and unpatriotic.

    I contend that anyone who subscribes to this philosophy is a coward. It is easy to say that Freedom isn’t cheap or easy when the risks don’t impact you directly. Me, I will take those risks and inherent dangers to every damn day to ensure that the basic liberties of every American, especially the ones with whom I disagree, are protected.

    Shame on Mr. Joy and shame on any of you who mirror his feelings.

    Benjamin Franklin’s words are more important today than they ever have been. “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

    • Thomas Sharp

      The shame is all your own, Tom.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Internment of the Nisei was the right thing to do at the time, given the circumstances. That was before our country lost its compass. If you think an enemy should enjoy the “liberty” to destroy our nation and breed bombers among us, good luck with that idea elsewhere–it doesn’t fly here.

  • dale brown

    Tom, Go away, run your IT WHICH IS JUST AN IMAGE. Should you need prayer or something good and kind, I’m sure there is a Christian the only true God will direct to help you! I’m here and they know it. Laughable is your reasoning. In his name, Justus

  • bigjack1

    Socialism and Islam , the two dangers America faces. Obama supports both. Socialism works wherever it has been tried and Islam is a peaceful religion, NOT

  • Seabass120

    Islam is where Christianity was 1000+ years ago. Intolerant, savage, and righteous.

    But, um yeah – Mohammed was a pedophile and a pigfucker.

    • spotsotw

      You know you really didn’t have to insult the pig like that!

    • spotsotw

      You know you really didn’t have to insult the pig like that!

  • Wes Walker

    There are countries (like China) where the influence of Islam hit a wall for centuries. We may wish to examine what positions, beliefs or policies had held them in check for so long.

  • Alex M

    “James Holmes, announced right after the attack that he had converted to Islam”

    There doesn’t appear to be any credible source for this story, which looks rather suspect.

    • snafubar

      “A prison source say the beard James Holmes sported in court last months represents his new-found faith. The source said Mr. Holmes
      has turned Muslim as a way of justifying his horrific crimes on July
      20 which left 12 people dead and 58 people wounded, the Daily Mail
      reports.”

      Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/21/aurora-theater-shooter-james-holmes-converts-islam/#ixzz2S8Oeujhb

      • Alex M

        I’m aware of the Washington Post story, but that appears to be a direct lift from the Daily Mail, a British tabloid paper with low credibility and even lower journalistic ethics. It’s not a credible source.

        • snafubar

          It’s the Washington Times, not the Washington Post. If you have an issue with the credibility of the story, take it up with the Times. I would think they would have vetted the story before printing it.

          PS, I was just at their website, and read some of their stories; all the stories seem credible to me.

          • Alex M

            “Washington Times, not the Washington Post”

            Sorry, finger blip.

            ” I would think they would have vetted the story before printing it.”

            You’d hope so. But citing the Daily Mail as a source is not good evidence of vetting and fact-checking. The National Enquirer, also cited as a source (these credibility problems seem to be fast-breeding) itself seems to be relying on the same Daily Mail source, which is un-named and un-credited. For reasons not unconnected with its low and somewhat dodgy journalistic reputation, the Daily Mail withdrew itself from the purview of the British Press Complaints Commission.

            You may think this is credible, but it’s not a reliance I’d share, and I’d suggest a measure of caution.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            The National Enquirer had the truth about John Edwards’ blatant lies and bombshell scandal leading up to the 2008 campaign, when no mainstream media organization would go near it–a very crucial story, I remind you.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            The National Enquirer had the truth about John Edwards’ blatant lies and bombshell scandal leading up to the 2008 campaign, when no mainstream media organization would go near it–a very crucial story, I remind you.

          • Alex M

            When one is relying on a newspaper whose reputation for accuracy is questionable, the watchwords are surely caution and corroboration. The alleged conversion of James Holmes may be true, but there’s no way yet to confirm that. From what I can tell, the Enquirer is merely cribbing the story from the Daily Mail, which in turn cites no source, no corroboration, and as I remarked earlier, its poor reputation for invention and journalistic mendacity is well known, at least in the UK, where that paper was found guilty of at least 100 “serious libels” in one story alone. It is very easy to generate confirmatory prejudice against a person who is already a figure of hate and derision. That’s no reason to let one’s expectations of journalistic integrity slip, which is why I urge some caution in this story.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Well, the fact that you have TWICE failed to even track with the actual source posted here shows how derelict your mind is. First you claimed that the source was the Washington Post when it is actually the Washington Times(significant difference between those two), then you claimed it is the National Enquirer, merely because that outlet came up as a topic (where did anyone cite the Enquirer as a source here, or even the Daily Mail?). This is not “finger blip,” this is negligence and possibly being under the influence of some kind of substance. Please get a grip, and come back when you have.

          • Alex M

            I’m afraid the ‘Washington Post’ really was just a slip, I’ve acknowledged that ; it probably happened because I was recently watching ‘All the Presidents’ Men’. Don’t make too much of it, it was just a momentary slip. I’m not perfect.

            “First you claimed that the source was the Washington Post when it is actually the Washington Times”

            Physician, heal thyself, Donald. I didn’t claim the source was the Washington Times (‘Post’ in error), I said I was aware of the story in that newspaper, which is quite a different thing. I do not know what the real source of the story is, and neither, I suspect, do you. That’s the point.

            “then you claimed it is the National Enquirer, merely because that outlet came up as a topic (where did anyone cite the Enquirer as a source here”

            Physician heal thyself again, Donald. The Washington Times itself cites the Enquirer.

            “or even the Daily Mail?”

            The Washington Times again :

            “The source said Mr. Holmes has turned Muslim as a way of justifying his horrific crimes on July 20 which left 12 people dead and 58 people wounded, the Daily Mail reports.”

            The reports look suspiciously circular, and are uncorroborated. Not everyone, perhaps, can hear the warning bells.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Okay, Alex my friend, it’s MY turn to eat crow. You’re right in saying the story in the Times cites those other two, I’m very sorry. I’m going to check my caffeine intake! However unless you or someone else provides proof that the story is bogus, I’m trusting the reporting. Given Holmes’ sick massacre and psychosis, it’s highly plausible that he’d find a home in Islam.

          • Alex M

            Thanks for that, Donald, I appreciate your candidness.

            If I’m a little suspicious of certain news sources, it’s because I know a couple of people whose lives or careers have been damaged by mendacious and completely fabricated stories, including one in England by the Daily Mail, who got away with it.

            It’s not unknown, for sure, for people in prison on long sentences to ‘find’ religion, whether genuinely or for some strategic reason. It will be of interest to see how this story unfolds, as it surely will.

            I’m moderating my caffeine intake myself today, but only because there’s the prospect of a rather tasty beer at the end of it.

            Kind regards,
            Alex

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Okay, Alex my friend, it’s MY turn to eat crow. You’re right in saying the story in the Times cites those other two, I’m very sorry. I’m going to check my caffeine intake! However unless you or someone else provides proof that the story is bogus, I’m trusting the reporting. Given Holmes’ sick massacre and psychosis, it’s highly plausible that he’d find a home in Islam.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Okay, Alex my friend, it’s MY turn to eat crow. You’re right in saying the story in the Times cites those other two, I’m very sorry. I’m going to check my caffeine intake! However unless you or someone else provides proof that the story is bogus, I’m trusting the reporting. Given Holmes’ sick massacre and psychosis, it’s highly plausible that he’d find a home in Islam.

          • Alex M

            I’m afraid the ‘Washington Post’ really was just a slip, I’ve acknowledged that ; it probably happened because I was recently watching ‘All the Presidents’ Men’. Don’t make too much of it, it was just a momentary slip. I’m not perfect.

            “First you claimed that the source was the Washington Post when it is actually the Washington Times”

            Physician, heal thyself, Donald. I didn’t claim the source was the Washington Times (‘Post’ in error), I said I was aware of the story in that newspaper, which is quite a different thing. I do not know what the real source of the story is, and neither, I suspect, do you. That’s the point.

            “then you claimed it is the National Enquirer, merely because that outlet came up as a topic (where did anyone cite the Enquirer as a source here”

            Physician heal thyself again, Donald. The Washington Times itself cites the Enquirer.

            “or even the Daily Mail?”

            The Washington Times again :

            “The source said Mr. Holmes has turned Muslim as a way of justifying his horrific crimes on July 20 which left 12 people dead and 58 people wounded, the Daily Mail reports.”

            The reports look suspiciously circular, and are uncorroborated. Not everyone, perhaps, can hear the warning bells.

          • Alex M

            When one is relying on a newspaper whose reputation for accuracy is questionable, the watchwords are surely caution and corroboration. The alleged conversion of James Holmes may be true, but there’s no way yet to confirm that. From what I can tell, the Enquirer is merely cribbing the story from the Daily Mail, which in turn cites no source, no corroboration, and as I remarked earlier, its poor reputation for invention and journalistic mendacity is well known, at least in the UK, where that paper was found guilty of at least 100 “serious libels” in one story alone. It is very easy to generate confirmatory prejudice against a person who is already a figure of hate and derision. That’s no reason to let one’s expectations of journalistic integrity slip, which is why I urge some caution in this story.

          • Alex M

            When one is relying on a newspaper whose reputation for accuracy is questionable, the watchwords are surely caution and corroboration. The alleged conversion of James Holmes may be true, but there’s no way yet to confirm that. From what I can tell, the Enquirer is merely cribbing the story from the Daily Mail, which in turn cites no source, no corroboration, and as I remarked earlier, its poor reputation for invention and journalistic mendacity is well known, at least in the UK, where that paper was found guilty of at least 100 “serious libels” in one story alone. It is very easy to generate confirmatory prejudice against a person who is already a figure of hate and derision. That’s no reason to let one’s expectations of journalistic integrity slip, which is why I urge some caution in this story.

          • Alex M

            When one is relying on a newspaper whose reputation for accuracy is questionable, the watchwords are surely caution and corroboration. The alleged conversion of James Holmes may be true, but there’s no way yet to confirm that. From what I can tell, the Enquirer is merely cribbing the story from the Daily Mail, which in turn cites no source, no corroboration, and as I remarked earlier, its poor reputation for invention and journalistic mendacity is well known, at least in the UK, where that paper was found guilty of at least 100 “serious libels” in one story alone. It is very easy to generate confirmatory prejudice against a person who is already a figure of hate and derision. That’s no reason to let one’s expectations of journalistic integrity slip, which is why I urge some caution in this story.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            The National Enquirer had the truth about John Edwards’ blatant lies and bombshell scandal leading up to the 2008 campaign, when no mainstream media organization would go near it–a very crucial story, I remind you.

  • snafubar

    OK. Here’s an idea. Let’s create a federal law that outlaws Sharia, since Sharia is incompatible with the US Constitution. You can pray to Mohammed and Allah, but no Islamic legal framework will be allowed in the US. There will be NO Sharia courts. Religion only. Just like the establishment clause says.

    Tom, since you are “down” with the Constitution, you’d be OK with that, right? I mean, surely you would want to protect the US Constitution? Because if you don’t, well you know……..

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      That would be a mandatory minimum measure. However it doesn’t address the overt terrorism violence and stealth jihad aspects, and “lawfare”–the aggressive filing of countless lawsuits and complaints by Muslim agitation pressure groups to harass people, employers, & government decisionmakers, tie up our legal system, undermine our culture and morale, etc.

      • drdbiggs

        4 words: “One Shot, One Kill”

      • drdbiggs

        4 words: “One Shot, One Kill”

      • drdbiggs

        4 words: “One Shot, One Kill”

  • 7papa7

    For the protection of the country all Muslims need to be immediately deported. It may be overkill, but my country comes before anything. Government has the right and the duty to keep America safe and it is failing miserably. We have the right to choose who we allow into the country and letting those in who have sworn to kill us is insanity. We can revoke the citizenship of anyone who was not born here and we should, ship them back to their country of origin, we don’t need nor want them here. Revoke all work and school visas and don’t allow any more. If the idiots in DC were serious about doing their Constitutional duty and keeping America safe, this is what would happen.

    • Alex M

      “For the protection of the country all Muslims need to be immediately deported. It may be overkill, but my country comes before anything.”

      You are quite right. It is overkill. Most Americans who die violently die at the hands of fellow Americans. Whilst invoking the Constitution, it’s as well to remember that the foundation of the Constitution lay in freedom from religious persecution. The irony should not go un-observed when it is used as an instrument of that very same religious persecution by disenfranchising a citizen solely on the basis of his religious belief.

    • Alex M

      “For the protection of the country all Muslims need to be immediately deported. It may be overkill, but my country comes before anything.”

      You are quite right. It is overkill. Most Americans who die violently die at the hands of fellow Americans. Whilst invoking the Constitution, it’s as well to remember that the foundation of the Constitution lay in freedom from religious persecution. The irony should not go un-observed when it is used as an instrument of that very same religious persecution by disenfranchising a citizen solely on the basis of his religious belief.

      • snafubar

        Except for the fact that Islam is not JUST a religious belief system, but also a political and legal one, two points you fail to mention.

        Islam is incompatible with the US Constitution. It is an Islamic alternative to the US Constitution.

        “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…” — Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

        “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students.

        “Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals,” he said.

        Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/morsi-says-jihad-is-our-path-and-death-in-the-name-of-allah-is-our-goal-2012-6#ixzz2S8oQWQAm

      • snafubar

        Except for the fact that Islam is not JUST a religious belief system, but also a political and legal one, two points you fail to mention.

        Islam is incompatible with the US Constitution. It is an Islamic alternative to the US Constitution.

        “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…” — Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

        “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students.

        “Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals,” he said.

        Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/morsi-says-jihad-is-our-path-and-death-in-the-name-of-allah-is-our-goal-2012-6#ixzz2S8oQWQAm

        • Alex M

          “Except for the fact that Islam is not JUST a religious belief system, but also a political and legal one, two points you fail to mention.”

          All religious belief systems have protocols about how you interact with your fellow man, that’s why religions are also defined as ways of life. This is little different to Christianity ; on this very forum, when I commented on the separation of church and state as a foundation for the Constitution, I was told that the Constitution is God-given and that the rights under the Constitution are given by God, not Man, and that it was “freedom of religion, not freedom from religion”. I had quite similar responses on the issue of whether the Ten Commandments should be displayed in courtrooms, that the they too were the foundation of the legal system.

          When I commented on the issue of Victoria Gettman, I was once again told that Christianity was fundamental to the military and to the American way of life. Christians quoting the Bible in ways remarkably similar to Muslims quoting the Koran.

          Motes and beams?

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.selva.31 John Selva

            Okay, Okay. let’s for a second pretend that the founding fathers principles were not rooted in Christian Principles. Let’s say their knowledge of other faiths although limited was considered during the framing of the Constitution. When we speak of religion and the freedom to practice it without the influence of the federal government, do you think they were amenable to a religion which is inconsistent with “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”? How in the world can any American citizen (part of “we the people”) include the overtly repressive nature of Islam into the intent of the Constitution?

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.selva.31 John Selva

            Okay, Okay. let’s for a second pretend that the founding fathers principles were not rooted in Christian Principles. Let’s say their knowledge of other faiths although limited was considered during the framing of the Constitution. When we speak of religion and the freedom to practice it without the influence of the federal government, do you think they were amenable to a religion which is inconsistent with “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”? How in the world can any American citizen (part of “we the people”) include the overtly repressive nature of Islam into the intent of the Constitution?

          • snafubar

            Sharia laws and courts exist outside of secular courts. In reality.

            Christian courts, not so much.

            The fact that our country has Judeo / Christian roots yet managed to create secular courts and laws says it all.

            Islamist’s don’t give a hoot about our courts and laws.

            You are either a Muslim apologist, or you don’t seem to realize that Islam is NOT just about worshiping God. It is a way of life they are desperate to impose on non-Muslims.

            Islam is at war with the non-Islamic world. That is a fact. It is written in the Koran.

            If you are non-Muslim, you have 3 choices in Muslim lands:
            1) Convert to Islam; 2) Stay whatever religion you are but pay the jizra (non-believer tax); 3) Die (or leave if you can).

          • Alex M

            “You seem to be a Muslim apologist.”

            The ad hominem fallacy adds nothing to an argument.

            There are religious courts outside secular courts, such as Beth Din, and in the past ecclesiatical courts held jurisdiction over many matters, though that’s more historical now. I’d be opposed to any attempt to integrate a religious dimension, of any religion, into the secular, civil, and criminal courts.

            “Islam is at war with the non-Islamic world.”

            This is news to the several Muslims I know, who are the most decidedly unwarlike people I know. I’ve not been threatened, preached at, proselytized by any Muslim, either among those I have worked with, or those who live nearby. In the last two or three years, the only visits I’ve had from people of a religious persuasion have been trying to give me copies of The Watchtower.

          • drdbiggs

            You have not talked to many devote Muslims have you?

          • drdbiggs

            You have not talked to many devote Muslims have you?

          • Alex M

            “You have not talked to many devote Muslims have you?”

            I have a number of Muslim friends, some of whom live close by, and occasionally look after my property when I am absent, and look after my little cat. It is possible I know and have talked with more Muslims than you may have.

          • Alex M

            “You have not talked to many devote Muslims have you?”

            I have a number of Muslim friends, some of whom live close by, and occasionally look after my property when I am absent, and look after my little cat. It is possible I know and have talked with more Muslims than you may have.

          • Alex M

            “You have not talked to many devote Muslims have you?”

            I have a number of Muslim friends, some of whom live close by, and occasionally look after my property when I am absent, and look after my little cat. It is possible I know and have talked with more Muslims than you may have.

          • Alex M

            “You have not talked to many devote Muslims have you?”

            I have a number of Muslim friends, some of whom live close by, and occasionally look after my property when I am absent, and look after my little cat. It is possible I know and have talked with more Muslims than you may have.

          • drdbiggs

            You have not talked to many devote Muslims have you?

          • snafubar

            Sharia laws and courts exist outside of secular courts. In reality.

            Christian courts, not so much.

            The fact that our country has Judeo / Christian roots yet managed to create secular courts and laws says it all.

            Islamist’s don’t give a hoot about our courts and laws.

            You are either a Muslim apologist, or you don’t seem to realize that Islam is NOT just about worshiping God. It is a way of life they are desperate to impose on non-Muslims.

            Islam is at war with the non-Islamic world. That is a fact. It is written in the Koran.

            If you are non-Muslim, you have 3 choices in Muslim lands:
            1) Convert to Islam; 2) Stay whatever religion you are but pay the jizra (non-believer tax); 3) Die (or leave if you can).

          • drdbiggs

            Have you ever read (The Koran, the Hadiths, and Surahs)

            If you had you wouldn’t be the stupid old man that your picture indicates you are!!

          • Alex M

            “Have you ever read (The Koran, the Hadiths, and Surahs)”

            I have indeed read many such texts, from a number of the world’s major belief systems, and had the opportunity to discuss them with some very fine scholars.

            “If you had you wouldn’t be the stupid old man that your picture indicates you are!!”

            I’m sure stupid has often described me more accurately than I’d care to admit to on some days! But I do know how to conduct a civil conversation with strangers.

          • Alex M

            “Have you ever read (The Koran, the Hadiths, and Surahs)”

            I have indeed read many such texts, from a number of the world’s major belief systems, and had the opportunity to discuss them with some very fine scholars.

            “If you had you wouldn’t be the stupid old man that your picture indicates you are!!”

            I’m sure stupid has often described me more accurately than I’d care to admit to on some days! But I do know how to conduct a civil conversation with strangers.

          • Alex M

            “Have you ever read (The Koran, the Hadiths, and Surahs)”

            I have indeed read many such texts, from a number of the world’s major belief systems, and had the opportunity to discuss them with some very fine scholars.

            “If you had you wouldn’t be the stupid old man that your picture indicates you are!!”

            I’m sure stupid has often described me more accurately than I’d care to admit to on some days! But I do know how to conduct a civil conversation with strangers.

          • drdbiggs

            Have you ever read (The Koran, the Hadiths, and Surahs)

            If you had you wouldn’t be the stupid old man that your picture indicates you are!!

      • snafubar

        Except for the fact that Islam is not JUST a religious belief system, but also a political and legal one, two points you fail to mention.

        Islam is incompatible with the US Constitution. It is an Islamic alternative to the US Constitution.

        “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…” — Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

        “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students.

        “Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals,” he said.

        Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/morsi-says-jihad-is-our-path-and-death-in-the-name-of-allah-is-our-goal-2012-6#ixzz2S8oQWQAm

      • snafubar

        Except for the fact that Islam is not JUST a religious belief system, but also a political and legal one, two points you fail to mention.

        Islam is incompatible with the US Constitution. It is an Islamic alternative to the US Constitution.

        “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…” — Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

        “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students.

        “Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals,” he said.

        Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/morsi-says-jihad-is-our-path-and-death-in-the-name-of-allah-is-our-goal-2012-6#ixzz2S8oQWQAm

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        How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog…
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        nihilism;

        4, also Nihilism–A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination.

        5, Psychiatry A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one’s mind, body, or self does not exist.
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        W. Churchill, on Islam…1899. 
        How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog…
        —–
        nihilism;

        4, also Nihilism–A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination.

        5, Psychiatry A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one’s mind, body, or self does not exist.
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        http://www.yourdictionary.com/nihilism

        http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/culturalSuicide.jpg

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        ···
        W. Churchill, on Islam…1899. 
        How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog…
        —–
        nihilism;

        4, also Nihilism–A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination.

        5, Psychiatry A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one’s mind, body, or self does not exist.
        —-
        http://www.yourdictionary.com/nihilism

        http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/culturalSuicide.jpg

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        Arex-The-Suicidal-Effeminate-Pseudo-Intellectual-Energizer-Weenie¿!¡
        ···
        W. Churchill, on Islam…1899. 
        How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog…
        —–
        nihilism;

        4, also Nihilism–A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination.

        5, Psychiatry A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one’s mind, body, or self does not exist.
        —-
        http://www.yourdictionary.com/nihilism

        http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/culturalSuicide.jpg

      • sean murry

        Another nut.

        • Alex M

          I’ve been called worse, and often with justification.

          But you could try analyzing my argument, instead of me. That’s where the meat of the discussion is.

        • Alex M

          I’ve been called worse, and often with justification.

          But you could try analyzing my argument, instead of me. That’s where the meat of the discussion is.

      • sean murry

        Another nut.

      • drdbiggs

        Progressives and liberals slobber at the alter of FDR. I seem to remember Japs & Krauts rounded up by the thousands during WW2.

        I forget how many days FDR spent in the penitentiary for that or how it destroyed our county.

        Please enlighten me?

    • Alex M

      “For the protection of the country all Muslims need to be immediately deported. It may be overkill, but my country comes before anything.”

      You are quite right. It is overkill. Most Americans who die violently die at the hands of fellow Americans. Whilst invoking the Constitution, it’s as well to remember that the foundation of the Constitution lay in freedom from religious persecution. The irony should not go un-observed when it is used as an instrument of that very same religious persecution by disenfranchising a citizen solely on the basis of his religious belief.

    • Alex M

      “For the protection of the country all Muslims need to be immediately deported. It may be overkill, but my country comes before anything.”

      You are quite right. It is overkill. Most Americans who die violently die at the hands of fellow Americans. Whilst invoking the Constitution, it’s as well to remember that the foundation of the Constitution lay in freedom from religious persecution. The irony should not go un-observed when it is used as an instrument of that very same religious persecution by disenfranchising a citizen solely on the basis of his religious belief.

  • 7papa7

    For the protection of the country all Muslims need to be immediately deported. It may be overkill, but my country comes before anything. Government has the right and the duty to keep America safe and it is failing miserably. We have the right to choose who we allow into the country and letting those in who have sworn to kill us is insanity. We can revoke the citizenship of anyone who was not born here and we should, ship them back to their country of origin, we don’t need nor want them here. Revoke all work and school visas and don’t allow any more. If the idiots in DC were serious about doing their Constitutional duty and keeping America safe, this is what would happen.

  • 7papa7

    For the protection of the country all Muslims need to be immediately deported. It may be overkill, but my country comes before anything. Government has the right and the duty to keep America safe and it is failing miserably. We have the right to choose who we allow into the country and letting those in who have sworn to kill us is insanity. We can revoke the citizenship of anyone who was not born here and we should, ship them back to their country of origin, we don’t need nor want them here. Revoke all work and school visas and don’t allow any more. If the idiots in DC were serious about doing their Constitutional duty and keeping America safe, this is what would happen.

  • VirgoVince

    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, let this happen, NEVER!!!!
    Get rid of ALL mu-slime garbage from OUR country and forbid their entry!!!!

  • VirgoVince

    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, let this happen, NEVER!!!!
    Get rid of ALL mu-slime garbage from OUR country and forbid their entry!!!!

  • VirgoVince

    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, let this happen, NEVER!!!!
    Get rid of ALL mu-slime garbage from OUR country and forbid their entry!!!!

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  • Berzrkr50

    It’s just mind boggling; the government is willing to let people die horrible deaths simply because they don’t want anybody to get their widdle feewings hurt! To me that makes anyone with a D in front of their name a criminal, but that’s what that “party” is all about!

  • Berzrkr50

    It’s just mind boggling; the government is willing to let people die horrible deaths simply because they don’t want anybody to get their widdle feewings hurt! To me that makes anyone with a D in front of their name a criminal, but that’s what that “party” is all about!

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    EVIL is LIVE, BACKWARDS.
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    The Demonocrats’ Ghettos breed Nihilists.
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    Chris Kelly Dies; Kris Kross Rapper Was 34
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    An autopsy is planned before the official cause of death is announced but there is some speculation. A spokeswoman for the Fulton County police said: “It appears that [Kelly's death] may have been a possible drug overdose.”
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    Kelly and fellow rapper Chris Smith shot to super-stardom with the release of their 1992 hit “Jump.” Their big gimmick was wearing their clothes backwards.

  • Light_V_Dark

    EVIL is LIVE, BACKWARDS.
    ___
    The Demonocrats’ Ghettos breed Nihilists.
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    Chris Kelly Dies; Kris Kross Rapper Was 34
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    An autopsy is planned before the official cause of death is announced but there is some speculation. A spokeswoman for the Fulton County police said: “It appears that [Kelly's death] may have been a possible drug overdose.”
    »»
    Kelly and fellow rapper Chris Smith shot to super-stardom with the release of their 1992 hit “Jump.” Their big gimmick was wearing their clothes backwards.

  • Light_V_Dark

    EVIL is LIVE, BACKWARDS.
    ___
    The Demonocrats’ Ghettos breed Nihilists.
    ___
    Chris Kelly Dies; Kris Kross Rapper Was 34
    ___
    An autopsy is planned before the official cause of death is announced but there is some speculation. A spokeswoman for the Fulton County police said: “It appears that [Kelly's death] may have been a possible drug overdose.”
    »»
    Kelly and fellow rapper Chris Smith shot to super-stardom with the release of their 1992 hit “Jump.” Their big gimmick was wearing their clothes backwards.

  • Reelman1946

    Best summary I could find of islam in the honest real world…so to speak:

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/27/17949124-muslim-group-says-spray-painting-of-oklahoma-mosque-may-be-boston-backlash?threadId=3713079&commentId=75853348#c75853348

    I took “Islam” in grad school history way back before PC-ism…
    violence was even promoted very early on like beheading during the Hegira (7 year flight to Medina from Mecca) to intimidate caravans they encountered into affirming Allah, joining islam, etc.
    Then, of course, they fought 7 (seven) wars against christian armies before Martel pushed them BACK at the Battle of Tours in France. Oh, its probably not in any high school world history course and most college texts anymore…part of the purging of truth.

    It seems also to be commonly known by those that care to check..islam has a Quran that allows lying, even under oath, to “protect islam”…which can mean anything.

    Bold repeated lying has become the preferred tactic of many islamists. Ask most any moslem on TV/radio to firmly reject Hamas/terror etc…and watch their reaction…its evasive its very troubling…of course few media dare to put them on the spot as they do christians (with relish of course). Why does this happen? Always ask “why”.

    What is that ole saying? “Ignore what is said, watch what is done”.

    Oh, BTW, please post a list of radical Baptist mass murders of innocents across the globe the past 40 years, then post the Methodist, then the Catholic, then the…well, you get the drift. Moslems are moslems first…not Americans, Canadians, Frenchmen etc.

    The cultists have inbred for 1,400 years, they mean it. They really mean it. Sharia Law should tell thinking people something about the nature of islam in 2013. Well, what does it tell you? Ever see a “60 Minutes” show on this topic?

    The only research I ever saw on mosque “sermons” said 80% of the mosques were preaching very disturbing (aka hateful/intolerant) messages week after week. IF a few offending “misunderstood paragraphs” cause all the mass murders…why no edits in many decades? Why no avoiding or correcting these in mosque sermons?

    Why no huge demonstrations condemning terrorists? Why why why?

    Denial of reality can prove deadly to a country or a media.

    Islam is what it is AND what it does….

    =====

    As far as “moderate” muslims…I agree with the recent JOHN HAWKINS post…give this part below some thought!

    So, let’s shoulder past both political correctness and “Islamophobia” and have a real discussion about “moderate Muslims.” We do hear the phrase “moderate Muslim” tossed around a lot; so isn’t it about time that someone actually takes a crack at defining what it means?

    As a non-Muslim, I consider someone to be a “moderate Muslim” if he….

    1) …Opposes terrorist attacks on civilians the world over.

    2) …Doesn’t believe that damaging a Quran or a Muhammad cartoon is a legitimate reason to behave in a violent fashion.

    3) …Believes people have a right to leave the Islamic faith in peace without having to face legal repercussions or violence.

    4) …Rejects wife beating, forced marriages, clitorectomies and violence towards women.

    5) …Thinks women have just as much of a right to be educated as men, should be able to leave the house without a male relative and should be allowed to FREELY CHOOSE whether or not they want to wear a Burqa or Hijab.

    6) …Rejects anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial and genocide against Israel.

    7) …Is against Sharia, which is a primitive, barbaric code that is pro wife-beating, pro-rape, anti-free speech, homophobic and entirely incompatible with civilized behavior.

    =====

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/27/17949124-muslim-group-says-spray-painting-of-oklahoma-mosque-may-be-boston-backlash#comments

    Perhaps its time for the Arab world to rise above its barbaric past and embrace the secular laws that do not discriminate.

    They can remain as Muslims but not be a danger to everybody else.

    But while we’re at it, lets make some comparisons between the two major religions (while ignoring Judaism).

    Let’s compare the actions and deeds of the main characters of the New Testament and the Koran and hadith:

    Jesus never commanded an army, Muhammad did

    Jesus never ordered people to be killed, Mohammad did

    Jesus never banished other religions from the land, Muhammad did

    Jesus never ordered amputations, blinding or torture, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not have 11 wives, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not take his stepson’s wife, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not order the assassination of his critics, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not terrorize neighboring unbelieving tribes, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not ask a father if he could marry his 6 year old daughter when he was 53, Muhammad did

    Jesus saved an adulterer from stoning, Muhammad reintroduced it

    Jesus was a victim, Muhammad was a victimizer.

    Jesus was a teacher and alleged healer, Muhammad was a warlord and conquerer

    Jesus was a Utopian idea, Muhammad was very real.

    (theconservativecrawfish)

  • Reelman1946

    Best summary I could find of islam in the honest real world…so to speak:

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/27/17949124-muslim-group-says-spray-painting-of-oklahoma-mosque-may-be-boston-backlash?threadId=3713079&commentId=75853348#c75853348

    I took “Islam” in grad school history way back before PC-ism…
    violence was even promoted very early on like beheading during the Hegira (7 year flight to Medina from Mecca) to intimidate caravans they encountered into affirming Allah, joining islam, etc.
    Then, of course, they fought 7 (seven) wars against christian armies before Martel pushed them BACK at the Battle of Tours in France. Oh, its probably not in any high school world history course and most college texts anymore…part of the purging of truth.

    It seems also to be commonly known by those that care to check..islam has a Quran that allows lying, even under oath, to “protect islam”…which can mean anything.

    Bold repeated lying has become the preferred tactic of many islamists. Ask most any moslem on TV/radio to firmly reject Hamas/terror etc…and watch their reaction…its evasive its very troubling…of course few media dare to put them on the spot as they do christians (with relish of course). Why does this happen? Always ask “why”.

    What is that ole saying? “Ignore what is said, watch what is done”.

    Oh, BTW, please post a list of radical Baptist mass murders of innocents across the globe the past 40 years, then post the Methodist, then the Catholic, then the…well, you get the drift. Moslems are moslems first…not Americans, Canadians, Frenchmen etc.

    The cultists have inbred for 1,400 years, they mean it. They really mean it. Sharia Law should tell thinking people something about the nature of islam in 2013. Well, what does it tell you? Ever see a “60 Minutes” show on this topic?

    The only research I ever saw on mosque “sermons” said 80% of the mosques were preaching very disturbing (aka hateful/intolerant) messages week after week. IF a few offending “misunderstood paragraphs” cause all the mass murders…why no edits in many decades? Why no avoiding or correcting these in mosque sermons?

    Why no huge demonstrations condemning terrorists? Why why why?

    Denial of reality can prove deadly to a country or a media.

    Islam is what it is AND what it does….

    =====

    As far as “moderate” muslims…I agree with the recent JOHN HAWKINS post…give this part below some thought!

    So, let’s shoulder past both political correctness and “Islamophobia” and have a real discussion about “moderate Muslims.” We do hear the phrase “moderate Muslim” tossed around a lot; so isn’t it about time that someone actually takes a crack at defining what it means?

    As a non-Muslim, I consider someone to be a “moderate Muslim” if he….

    1) …Opposes terrorist attacks on civilians the world over.

    2) …Doesn’t believe that damaging a Quran or a Muhammad cartoon is a legitimate reason to behave in a violent fashion.

    3) …Believes people have a right to leave the Islamic faith in peace without having to face legal repercussions or violence.

    4) …Rejects wife beating, forced marriages, clitorectomies and violence towards women.

    5) …Thinks women have just as much of a right to be educated as men, should be able to leave the house without a male relative and should be allowed to FREELY CHOOSE whether or not they want to wear a Burqa or Hijab.

    6) …Rejects anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial and genocide against Israel.

    7) …Is against Sharia, which is a primitive, barbaric code that is pro wife-beating, pro-rape, anti-free speech, homophobic and entirely incompatible with civilized behavior.

    =====

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/27/17949124-muslim-group-says-spray-painting-of-oklahoma-mosque-may-be-boston-backlash#comments

    Perhaps its time for the Arab world to rise above its barbaric past and embrace the secular laws that do not discriminate.

    They can remain as Muslims but not be a danger to everybody else.

    But while we’re at it, lets make some comparisons between the two major religions (while ignoring Judaism).

    Let’s compare the actions and deeds of the main characters of the New Testament and the Koran and hadith:

    Jesus never commanded an army, Muhammad did

    Jesus never ordered people to be killed, Mohammad did

    Jesus never banished other religions from the land, Muhammad did

    Jesus never ordered amputations, blinding or torture, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not have 11 wives, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not take his stepson’s wife, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not order the assassination of his critics, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not terrorize neighboring unbelieving tribes, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not ask a father if he could marry his 6 year old daughter when he was 53, Muhammad did

    Jesus saved an adulterer from stoning, Muhammad reintroduced it

    Jesus was a victim, Muhammad was a victimizer.

    Jesus was a teacher and alleged healer, Muhammad was a warlord and conquerer

    Jesus was a Utopian idea, Muhammad was very real.

    (theconservativecrawfish)

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Standing ovation

  • Reelman1946

    Best summary I could find of islam in the honest real world…so to speak:

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/27/17949124-muslim-group-says-spray-painting-of-oklahoma-mosque-may-be-boston-backlash?threadId=3713079&commentId=75853348#c75853348

    I took “Islam” in grad school history way back before PC-ism…
    violence was even promoted very early on like beheading during the Hegira (7 year flight to Medina from Mecca) to intimidate caravans they encountered into affirming Allah, joining islam, etc.
    Then, of course, they fought 7 (seven) wars against christian armies before Martel pushed them BACK at the Battle of Tours in France. Oh, its probably not in any high school world history course and most college texts anymore…part of the purging of truth.

    It seems also to be commonly known by those that care to check..islam has a Quran that allows lying, even under oath, to “protect islam”…which can mean anything.

    Bold repeated lying has become the preferred tactic of many islamists. Ask most any moslem on TV/radio to firmly reject Hamas/terror etc…and watch their reaction…its evasive its very troubling…of course few media dare to put them on the spot as they do christians (with relish of course). Why does this happen? Always ask “why”.

    What is that ole saying? “Ignore what is said, watch what is done”.

    Oh, BTW, please post a list of radical Baptist mass murders of innocents across the globe the past 40 years, then post the Methodist, then the Catholic, then the…well, you get the drift. Moslems are moslems first…not Americans, Canadians, Frenchmen etc.

    The cultists have inbred for 1,400 years, they mean it. They really mean it. Sharia Law should tell thinking people something about the nature of islam in 2013. Well, what does it tell you? Ever see a “60 Minutes” show on this topic?

    The only research I ever saw on mosque “sermons” said 80% of the mosques were preaching very disturbing (aka hateful/intolerant) messages week after week. IF a few offending “misunderstood paragraphs” cause all the mass murders…why no edits in many decades? Why no avoiding or correcting these in mosque sermons?

    Why no huge demonstrations condemning terrorists? Why why why?

    Denial of reality can prove deadly to a country or a media.

    Islam is what it is AND what it does….

    =====

    As far as “moderate” muslims…I agree with the recent JOHN HAWKINS post…give this part below some thought!

    So, let’s shoulder past both political correctness and “Islamophobia” and have a real discussion about “moderate Muslims.” We do hear the phrase “moderate Muslim” tossed around a lot; so isn’t it about time that someone actually takes a crack at defining what it means?

    As a non-Muslim, I consider someone to be a “moderate Muslim” if he….

    1) …Opposes terrorist attacks on civilians the world over.

    2) …Doesn’t believe that damaging a Quran or a Muhammad cartoon is a legitimate reason to behave in a violent fashion.

    3) …Believes people have a right to leave the Islamic faith in peace without having to face legal repercussions or violence.

    4) …Rejects wife beating, forced marriages, clitorectomies and violence towards women.

    5) …Thinks women have just as much of a right to be educated as men, should be able to leave the house without a male relative and should be allowed to FREELY CHOOSE whether or not they want to wear a Burqa or Hijab.

    6) …Rejects anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial and genocide against Israel.

    7) …Is against Sharia, which is a primitive, barbaric code that is pro wife-beating, pro-rape, anti-free speech, homophobic and entirely incompatible with civilized behavior.

    =====

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/27/17949124-muslim-group-says-spray-painting-of-oklahoma-mosque-may-be-boston-backlash#comments

    Perhaps its time for the Arab world to rise above its barbaric past and embrace the secular laws that do not discriminate.

    They can remain as Muslims but not be a danger to everybody else.

    But while we’re at it, lets make some comparisons between the two major religions (while ignoring Judaism).

    Let’s compare the actions and deeds of the main characters of the New Testament and the Koran and hadith:

    Jesus never commanded an army, Muhammad did

    Jesus never ordered people to be killed, Mohammad did

    Jesus never banished other religions from the land, Muhammad did

    Jesus never ordered amputations, blinding or torture, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not have 11 wives, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not take his stepson’s wife, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not order the assassination of his critics, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not terrorize neighboring unbelieving tribes, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not ask a father if he could marry his 6 year old daughter when he was 53, Muhammad did

    Jesus saved an adulterer from stoning, Muhammad reintroduced it

    Jesus was a victim, Muhammad was a victimizer.

    Jesus was a teacher and alleged healer, Muhammad was a warlord and conquerer

    Jesus was a Utopian idea, Muhammad was very real.

    (theconservativecrawfish)

  • Reelman1946

    Best summary I could find of islam in the honest real world…so to speak:

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/27/17949124-muslim-group-says-spray-painting-of-oklahoma-mosque-may-be-boston-backlash?threadId=3713079&commentId=75853348#c75853348

    I took “Islam” in grad school history way back before PC-ism…
    violence was even promoted very early on like beheading during the Hegira (7 year flight to Medina from Mecca) to intimidate caravans they encountered into affirming Allah, joining islam, etc.
    Then, of course, they fought 7 (seven) wars against christian armies before Martel pushed them BACK at the Battle of Tours in France. Oh, its probably not in any high school world history course and most college texts anymore…part of the purging of truth.

    It seems also to be commonly known by those that care to check..islam has a Quran that allows lying, even under oath, to “protect islam”…which can mean anything.

    Bold repeated lying has become the preferred tactic of many islamists. Ask most any moslem on TV/radio to firmly reject Hamas/terror etc…and watch their reaction…its evasive its very troubling…of course few media dare to put them on the spot as they do christians (with relish of course). Why does this happen? Always ask “why”.

    What is that ole saying? “Ignore what is said, watch what is done”.

    Oh, BTW, please post a list of radical Baptist mass murders of innocents across the globe the past 40 years, then post the Methodist, then the Catholic, then the…well, you get the drift. Moslems are moslems first…not Americans, Canadians, Frenchmen etc.

    The cultists have inbred for 1,400 years, they mean it. They really mean it. Sharia Law should tell thinking people something about the nature of islam in 2013. Well, what does it tell you? Ever see a “60 Minutes” show on this topic?

    The only research I ever saw on mosque “sermons” said 80% of the mosques were preaching very disturbing (aka hateful/intolerant) messages week after week. IF a few offending “misunderstood paragraphs” cause all the mass murders…why no edits in many decades? Why no avoiding or correcting these in mosque sermons?

    Why no huge demonstrations condemning terrorists? Why why why?

    Denial of reality can prove deadly to a country or a media.

    Islam is what it is AND what it does….

    =====

    As far as “moderate” muslims…I agree with the recent JOHN HAWKINS post…give this part below some thought!

    So, let’s shoulder past both political correctness and “Islamophobia” and have a real discussion about “moderate Muslims.” We do hear the phrase “moderate Muslim” tossed around a lot; so isn’t it about time that someone actually takes a crack at defining what it means?

    As a non-Muslim, I consider someone to be a “moderate Muslim” if he….

    1) …Opposes terrorist attacks on civilians the world over.

    2) …Doesn’t believe that damaging a Quran or a Muhammad cartoon is a legitimate reason to behave in a violent fashion.

    3) …Believes people have a right to leave the Islamic faith in peace without having to face legal repercussions or violence.

    4) …Rejects wife beating, forced marriages, clitorectomies and violence towards women.

    5) …Thinks women have just as much of a right to be educated as men, should be able to leave the house without a male relative and should be allowed to FREELY CHOOSE whether or not they want to wear a Burqa or Hijab.

    6) …Rejects anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial and genocide against Israel.

    7) …Is against Sharia, which is a primitive, barbaric code that is pro wife-beating, pro-rape, anti-free speech, homophobic and entirely incompatible with civilized behavior.

    =====

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/27/17949124-muslim-group-says-spray-painting-of-oklahoma-mosque-may-be-boston-backlash#comments

    Perhaps its time for the Arab world to rise above its barbaric past and embrace the secular laws that do not discriminate.

    They can remain as Muslims but not be a danger to everybody else.

    But while we’re at it, lets make some comparisons between the two major religions (while ignoring Judaism).

    Let’s compare the actions and deeds of the main characters of the New Testament and the Koran and hadith:

    Jesus never commanded an army, Muhammad did

    Jesus never ordered people to be killed, Mohammad did

    Jesus never banished other religions from the land, Muhammad did

    Jesus never ordered amputations, blinding or torture, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not have 11 wives, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not take his stepson’s wife, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not order the assassination of his critics, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not terrorize neighboring unbelieving tribes, Muhammad did

    Jesus did not ask a father if he could marry his 6 year old daughter when he was 53, Muhammad did

    Jesus saved an adulterer from stoning, Muhammad reintroduced it

    Jesus was a victim, Muhammad was a victimizer.

    Jesus was a teacher and alleged healer, Muhammad was a warlord and conquerer

    Jesus was a Utopian idea, Muhammad was very real.

    (theconservativecrawfish)

  • Light_V_Dark

    Just the Leftist_Zombies and other Adult_Children I come in contact with, on a day to day basis have me wanting to WAKE UP FROM THIS Post_Apocalyptic_DYSTOPIAN_SCI_FI_NIGHTMARE. BUT, I NEVER DO.
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    http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?538-If-You-Meet-A-Neo-Defarge-Where-There-Is-FREE-WIFI-FEIGN-THAT-YOU-ARE-MUTE!**
    __
    The French Revolution (1789-99) was an overt war by liberal intellectuals in France against Christianity, the church, the clergy, and came at the end of the Age of Enlightenment (1650-1800) and before the later romantic movements of Darwinian evolution, Marxist socialism and Nietzsche’s relativism and atheism which all led directly to the decline of Western civilization. The previous intellectual trinity of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, was replaced with the imposter trinity: Marx, Darwin and Nietzsche (with Sigmund Freud thrown in for good measure).
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    http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa204/dinodna7/guillotine.jpg

  • Light_V_Dark

    Just the Leftist_Zombies and other Adult_Children I come in contact with, on a day to day basis have me wanting to WAKE UP FROM THIS Post_Apocalyptic_DYSTOPIAN_SCI_FI_NIGHTMARE. BUT, I NEVER DO.
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    http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?538-If-You-Meet-A-Neo-Defarge-Where-There-Is-FREE-WIFI-FEIGN-THAT-YOU-ARE-MUTE!**
    __
    The French Revolution (1789-99) was an overt war by liberal intellectuals in France against Christianity, the church, the clergy, and came at the end of the Age of Enlightenment (1650-1800) and before the later romantic movements of Darwinian evolution, Marxist socialism and Nietzsche’s relativism and atheism which all led directly to the decline of Western civilization. The previous intellectual trinity of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, was replaced with the imposter trinity: Marx, Darwin and Nietzsche (with Sigmund Freud thrown in for good measure).
    ···
    http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa204/dinodna7/guillotine.jpg

  • Light_V_Dark

    Just the Leftist_Zombies and other Adult_Children I come in contact with, on a day to day basis have me wanting to WAKE UP FROM THIS Post_Apocalyptic_DYSTOPIAN_SCI_FI_NIGHTMARE. BUT, I NEVER DO.
    __
    http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?538-If-You-Meet-A-Neo-Defarge-Where-There-Is-FREE-WIFI-FEIGN-THAT-YOU-ARE-MUTE!**
    __
    The French Revolution (1789-99) was an overt war by liberal intellectuals in France against Christianity, the church, the clergy, and came at the end of the Age of Enlightenment (1650-1800) and before the later romantic movements of Darwinian evolution, Marxist socialism and Nietzsche’s relativism and atheism which all led directly to the decline of Western civilization. The previous intellectual trinity of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, was replaced with the imposter trinity: Marx, Darwin and Nietzsche (with Sigmund Freud thrown in for good measure).
    ···
    http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa204/dinodna7/guillotine.jpg

  • George

    Very good article Donald! I did know about the Auroa shooter converting to Islam.

  • George

    Very good article Donald! I did know about the Auroa shooter converting to Islam.

  • George

    Very good article Donald! I did know about the Auroa shooter converting to Islam.

  • George

    Very good article Donald! I did know about the Auroa shooter converting to Islam.

  • http://www.facebook.com/barbjeanpatton Barb Patton

    We in America have become immune to satan and his army of wicked spirits – we have muslims who acknowledge that they kill “infidels” in the name of their “god”.. I am so very tired of the gross stupidity of the majority of Americans that get their knickers in a knot if a dog is thrown out on the side of the road and do not raise an eyebrow when they allow these murderers into the country to cause murder and mayhem. Enough already.

  • StingRay

    The Koran commands muslims to jihad and to kill non muslims. Muslims who do not follow these commands are simply bad muslims. They really should be deported and Islam banned in this country.

  • StingRay

    The Koran commands muslims to jihad and to kill non muslims. Muslims who do not follow these commands are simply bad muslims. They really should be deported and Islam banned in this country.

  • StingRay

    The Koran commands muslims to jihad and to kill non muslims. Muslims who do not follow these commands are simply bad muslims. They really should be deported and Islam banned in this country.

  • Light_V_Dark

    The poor Pagans have been praying for Doomsday for millenia. Y2K, GLOW_BALL_WARNING, THE DAY AFTER THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW, and last December 21, for example.
    ···
    Every quatrain Nostradamus ever wrote is committed to memory.

    Have you seen the absolute GAY-CRAP out of Hellywood¿? Sky scrapers turning into piles of rubble, the ground opening, swallowing cars as if they were popcorn, NAZI MOVIE AFTER NAZI MOVIE, no movies without Gay_Scientologist, Tom Cruise, and the old pervert, racist GOD, Morgan Freeman···Possessed girls walking spider_like on ceilings and eating their parents, THE EVIL CIA, NUNS, PRIESTS, REDNECKS AND FREEMASONS AS VILLIANS, etc., etc.
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    Bible ownership is is a death sentence everywhere in the world.
    ···
    Fraidie-Cat-Li’l-Chrysteuns WILL NOT CONDEMN EVIL, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN COWED BY IT. THEY ONLY FORGIVE THE WICKED.
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    http://bible.cc/2_peter/3-3.htm
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    1 Timothy 4:1
     The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
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    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)

    And as you knew this first, that in the end of days, scoffers would come who scoff while they walk according to their own lusts,

    • sean murry

      you are nuts.

      • Light_V_Dark

        YOUR NETS¿!¡ tak yor meds seek consoling¡

      • Light_V_Dark

        YOUR NETS¿!¡ tak yor meds seek consoling¡

    • sean murry

      you are nuts.

  • freedomringsforall

    Amen
    Thank you for speaking out and fighting for our rights and freedoms.

    May God continue to bless you and yours.

  • freedomringsforall

    Amen
    Thank you for speaking out and fighting for our rights and freedoms.

    May God continue to bless you and yours.

  • freedomringsforall

    Amen
    Thank you for speaking out and fighting for our rights and freedoms.

    May God continue to bless you and yours.

  • freedomringsforall

    Amen
    Thank you for speaking out and fighting for our rights and freedoms.

    May God continue to bless you and yours.

  • em

    I’ll say it quite bluntly; this is potentially the most ignorant thing I’ve seen on the internet.
    If it’s not okay to compare all Christians to, say, Westboro Baptist Church members… why is it okay to assume all Muslims are involved with extremist terrorism? The point is, it’s not. In every religion there are extremists, but that never serves as a justification to make hateful generalizations about the entire population practicing that religion.
    Christ preached about extending love and kindness towards all other people. He would have reached his hand to a Muslim or Hindu or Jew or Buddhist just as he would reach it to a Christian. So in theory, he was very much for the “naive hippie” coexisting you seem to be so adamantly against.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Simple, Westboro whackos are not in any way equivalent to murderous terrorists, they just harass people with vile, hateful words–meanwhile, millions of Muslims say they support suicide bombings, and thousands of Muslims carry out suicide bombings. Muslims did not exist when Jesus was on Earth. He warned us about false prophets (Mohammed) and about their followers. He would have sternly warned them to convert to Christianity, He wouldn’t have pretended they were just fine the way they are–because He was sent to save them from their depraved ways. Case closed.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Simple, Westboro whackos are not in any way equivalent to murderous terrorists, they just harass people with vile, hateful words–meanwhile, millions of Muslims say they support suicide bombings, and thousands of Muslims carry out suicide bombings. Muslims did not exist when Jesus was on Earth. He warned us about false prophets (Mohammed) and about their followers. He would have sternly warned them to convert to Christianity, He wouldn’t have pretended they were just fine the way they are–because He was sent to save them from their depraved ways. Case closed.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Simple, Westboro whackos are not in any way equivalent to murderous terrorists, they just harass people with vile, hateful words–meanwhile, millions of Muslims say they support suicide bombings, and thousands of Muslims carry out suicide bombings. Muslims did not exist when Jesus was on Earth. He warned us about false prophets (Mohammed) and about their followers. He would have sternly warned them to convert to Christianity, He wouldn’t have pretended they were just fine the way they are–because He was sent to save them from their depraved ways. Case closed.

    • $6286490

      When Westboro nutjobs put on a suicide vest, call me, I’ll take you to write the story.BTW numnuts Westboro people are only moderately brainwashed, muslims are totally brainwashed. Bet that warps your little narrow mind,eh.

    • $6286490

      When Westboro nutjobs put on a suicide vest, call me, I’ll take you to write the story.BTW numnuts Westboro people are only moderately brainwashed, muslims are totally brainwashed. Bet that warps your little narrow mind,eh.

    • $6286490

      When Westboro nutjobs put on a suicide vest, call me, I’ll take you to write the story.BTW numnuts Westboro people are only moderately brainwashed, muslims are totally brainwashed. Bet that warps your little narrow mind,eh.

    • Just Saying

      You are an ignorant idiot. Jesus said the only way to the Father is through Him, so no, he wouldn’t have coexisted with the false profet, and the devil that is Islam. Go read the Bible, idiot. I am so sick of this soul crushing, mind numbing, infantile view of the world: we should all join hands and sing Cumbaya.
      We are all the same…no. Cultures aren’t the same, some are better than others. There is right, and there is wrong. And you, em, couldn’t be more wrong.

    • Just Saying

      You are an ignorant idiot. Jesus said the only way to the Father is through Him, so no, he wouldn’t have coexisted with the false profet, and the devil that is Islam. Go read the Bible, idiot. I am so sick of this soul crushing, mind numbing, infantile view of the world: we should all join hands and sing Cumbaya.
      We are all the same…no. Cultures aren’t the same, some are better than others. There is right, and there is wrong. And you, em, couldn’t be more wrong.

    • Just Saying

      You are an ignorant idiot. Jesus said the only way to the Father is through Him, so no, he wouldn’t have coexisted with the false profet, and the devil that is Islam. Go read the Bible, idiot. I am so sick of this soul crushing, mind numbing, infantile view of the world: we should all join hands and sing Cumbaya.
      We are all the same…no. Cultures aren’t the same, some are better than others. There is right, and there is wrong. And you, em, couldn’t be more wrong.

    • Just Saying

      You are an ignorant idiot. Jesus said the only way to the Father is through Him, so no, he wouldn’t have coexisted with the false profet, and the devil that is Islam. Go read the Bible, idiot. I am so sick of this soul crushing, mind numbing, infantile view of the world: we should all join hands and sing Cumbaya.
      We are all the same…no. Cultures aren’t the same, some are better than others. There is right, and there is wrong. And you, em, couldn’t be more wrong.

  • em

    I’ll say it quite bluntly; this is potentially the most ignorant thing I’ve seen on the internet.
    If it’s not okay to compare all Christians to, say, Westboro Baptist Church members… why is it okay to assume all Muslims are involved with extremist terrorism? The point is, it’s not. In every religion there are extremists, but that never serves as a justification to make hateful generalizations about the entire population practicing that religion.
    Christ preached about extending love and kindness towards all other people. He would have reached his hand to a Muslim or Hindu or Jew or Buddhist just as he would reach it to a Christian. So in theory, he was very much for the “naive hippie” coexisting you seem to be so adamantly against.

  • $6286490

    Ecclesiastes 10:2 ” The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

    Matthew 10:34 also says ”
    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

  • $6286490

    Ecclesiastes 10:2 ” The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

    Matthew 10:34 also says ”
    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

  • $6286490

    Ecclesiastes 10:2 ” The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

    Matthew 10:34 also says ”
    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

  • $6286490

    Ecclesiastes 10:2 ” The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

    Matthew 10:34 also says ”
    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

  • freedomringsforall

    You know:
    If you do not define the enemy you cannot define treason

  • freedomringsforall

    You know:
    If you do not define the enemy you cannot define treason

  • freedomringsforall

    You know:
    If you do not define the enemy you cannot define treason

  • freedomringsforall

    You know:
    If you do not define the enemy you cannot define treason

  • Timur

    I’d like to ship everyone with the Coexisit sticker to Chechniya and see how well they do with their theory of coexisting as their daughters are being raped and forced to marry the rapist. Their running for their lives as the Mussies are trying to kill the infidels, and their wives are sporting the burqa to not be dowsed in acid.

  • Timur

    I’d like to ship everyone with the Coexisit sticker to Chechniya and see how well they do with their theory of coexisting as their daughters are being raped and forced to marry the rapist. Their running for their lives as the Mussies are trying to kill the infidels, and their wives are sporting the burqa to not be dowsed in acid.

  • Timur

    I’d like to ship everyone with the Coexisit sticker to Chechniya and see how well they do with their theory of coexisting as their daughters are being raped and forced to marry the rapist. Their running for their lives as the Mussies are trying to kill the infidels, and their wives are sporting the burqa to not be dowsed in acid.

  • drdbiggs

    Foaming at the mouth liberal progressives have never read (The Koran, the Hadiths, and Surahs) Bin Laden was being a very devout Muslim much as born again Christians are more devout and follow the scriptures. He was simply following what Mohammed & the Koran commanded.

    The “moderate” or “liberal” Muslim does not exist!! Ask a Mormon what a “Jack Mormon” is? Ask a born again christian what an “Easter Sunday Christian” is? That my friends is a “moderate” Muslim is, not very devoted to his faith or doesn’t take Mohammed’s commandments seriously.

    Sinners become born again or devout Christians for a variety of reasons, peruse all the books that are written on the subject.

    Why can’t a “moderate” Muslim (one who doesn’t follow his faith) become a “born again Muslim?” The Boston Bombers certainly illustrate what happens when a “Muslim finally sees the light!!

    The best definition of a “Moderate Muslim” I ever heard is: ” A moderate Muslim is the one guy that forgot to strap his bomb on his back that day!”

    Bombers are simply devote Muslims!!

  • drdbiggs

    Foaming at the mouth liberal progressives have never read (The Koran, the Hadiths, and Surahs) Bin Laden was being a very devout Muslim much as born again Christians are more devout and follow the scriptures. He was simply following what Mohammed & the Koran commanded.

    The “moderate” or “liberal” Muslim does not exist!! Ask a Mormon what a “Jack Mormon” is? Ask a born again christian what an “Easter Sunday Christian” is? That my friends is a “moderate” Muslim is, not very devoted to his faith or doesn’t take Mohammed’s commandments seriously.

    Sinners become born again or devout Christians for a variety of reasons, peruse all the books that are written on the subject.

    Why can’t a “moderate” Muslim (one who doesn’t follow his faith) become a “born again Muslim?” The Boston Bombers certainly illustrate what happens when a “Muslim finally sees the light!!

    The best definition of a “Moderate Muslim” I ever heard is: ” A moderate Muslim is the one guy that forgot to strap his bomb on his back that day!”

    Bombers are simply devote Muslims!!

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