An Embarrassment to Higher Education

Dear Edward:

I want to take the time to thank you for writing and telling me that I should be fired from my position as a tenured professor because I am “the biggest embarrassment to higher education in America.” I also want to thank you for responding when I asked you exactly how you arrived at that conclusion. Your response, “because you insist that marriage requires one man and one woman,” was both helpful and concise.

While I respect your right to conclude that I am the biggest embarrassment to higher education in America, I think you’re wrong. In fact, I don’t even think I’m the biggest embarrassment to higher education in the state of North Carolina. But since you’re a liberal and you support “choice” – provided we’re talking about dismembering children and not school vouchers for those who weren’t dismembered – I want to give you some options. In fact, I’m going to describe the antics of ten professors, official campus groups, and invited campus speakers in North Carolina and let you decide which constitutes the biggest embarrassment to higher education.

1. In the early spring semester of 2013, a women’s studies professor and a psychology professor at Western Carolina University co-sponsored a panel on bondage and S&M. The purpose of the panel was to teach college students how to inflict pain on themselves and others for sexual pleasure. When you called me the biggest embarrassment in higher education, you must not have known about their bondage panel. Maybe you were tied up that evening and couldn’t make it.

2. At UNC Chapel Hill, there is a feminist professor who believes that women can lead happy lives without men. That’s nothing new. But what’s different is that she thinks women can form lifelong domestic partnerships with dogs and that those relationships will actually be fulfilling enough to replace marital relationships with men. I can’t make this stuff up, Ed. I don’t drop acid. Well, at least not since the late 1980s. But I promise this story is real and not an LSD flashback.

3. At Duke University, feminists hired a “sex worker” (read: prostitute) to speak as part of an event called the Sex Workers Art Show. After his speech, the male prostitute pulled down his pants, got down on his knees, and inserted a burning sparkler into his rectum. While it burned, he sang a verse of “the Star Spangled Banner.” I believe that stripping incident was almost as embarrassing as the other one involving the Duke Lacrosse team.

4. A porn star was once paid to give a speech at UNCG. The topic was “safe sodomy.” After her speech, the feminist pornographer sold autographed butt plugs to students in attendance. I’m not sure whether the ink could contribute to rectal cancer. I’m no health expert. But I do know it was pretty darned embarrassing when the media picked up on the story.

5. A few years ago at UNC-Chapel Hill, a feminist group built a large vibrator museum in the middle of the campus quad as a part of their “orgasm awareness week.” I think that was probably the climax of the semester, academically speaking. But they certainly weren’t too embarrassed to display a vibrator that was made out of wood back in the 1920s. Keep your batteries charged, Ed. We’re about halfway done.

About the author: Mike Adams

Mike Adams is a criminology professor at the University of North Carolina Wilmington and author of Letters to a Young Progressive: How To Avoid Wasting Your Life Protesting Things You Don’t Understand.

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  • Pat

    God help North Carolina college students. It seems that the feminist studies professors have been given free reign. Embarrassing.

    • jeepdude911

      Yeah, they should go to school in a state that is morally stable, like California. (SARC)

      • Panors77

        I live in California…………I’m certainly surprised that they haven’t done this kind of thing here yet. It’d start in the north I think tho.

        • Princeton67atCoxdotnet

          You’ll just have to be satisfied with coed school showers.

        • Joy Daniels Brower

          I’ll bet if you check with some of the State college or university systems or even some private liberal arts colleges, you’ll find PLENTY of this crap being promoted all the time. It certainly takes place at most of the Ivy League schools back East!

          • LadyforLiberty

            Political correctness disguised as education has a BIG future in USA! All the Fed Institutions have been infiltrated.
            US began going down hill when the Vietman war was being waged. All the make love not war cowards are to blame for beginning the rot which disgusts the older (white) generation who still have Morals/integrity/Patriotism/disgust for the “education” pushing permissiveness and homosexuality!
            One day the Patriots day will come…but not til we get rid of those who have undermined a great nation with perversion for over 50 yrs!Those who fought for freedom are a shrinking minority. What will the country be like when their moral backbone has passed away??

          • John Denney

            Whittaker Chambers states in his autobiographical book, “Witness” that the Soviets targeted 3 American careers for infiltration in the 1920′s: media, education, and unelected government positions. They were successful and have never been routed out.
            Sen. Joe McCarthy made an attempt at cleaning up the government institutions, but the leftists in media destroyed him.

          • Freebyrd1968

            And it’s just getting worse!

          • Freebyrd1968

            And it’s just getting worse!

          • Freebyrd1968

            And it’s just getting worse!

          • John Denney

            Whittaker Chambers states in his autobiographical book, “Witness” that the Soviets targeted 3 American careers for infiltration in the 1920′s: media, education, and unelected government positions. They were successful and have never been routed out.
            Sen. Joe McCarthy made an attempt at cleaning up the government institutions, but the leftists in media destroyed him.

          • John Denney

            Whittaker Chambers states in his autobiographical book, “Witness” that the Soviets targeted 3 American careers for infiltration in the 1920′s: media, education, and unelected government positions. They were successful and have never been routed out.
            Sen. Joe McCarthy made an attempt at cleaning up the government institutions, but the leftists in media destroyed him.

          • ptiderman

            LadyforLiberty: You forgot “God-fearing” in your list of bygone human qualities!

          • ptiderman

            LadyforLiberty: You forgot “God-fearing” in your list of bygone human qualities!

          • ptiderman

            LadyforLiberty: You forgot “God-fearing” in your list of bygone human qualities!

          • LadyforLiberty

            Political correctness disguised as education has a BIG future in USA! All the Fed Institutions have been infiltrated.
            US began going down hill when the Vietman war was being waged. All the make love not war cowards are to blame for beginning the rot which disgusts the older (white) generation who still have Morals/integrity/Patriotism/disgust for the “education” pushing permissiveness and homosexuality!
            One day the Patriots day will come…but not til we get rid of those who have undermined a great nation with perversion for over 50 yrs!Those who fought for freedom are a shrinking minority. What will the country be like when their moral backbone has passed away??

          • LadyforLiberty

            Political correctness disguised as education has a BIG future in USA! All the Fed Institutions have been infiltrated.
            US began going down hill when the Vietman war was being waged. All the make love not war cowards are to blame for beginning the rot which disgusts the older (white) generation who still have Morals/integrity/Patriotism/disgust for the “education” pushing permissiveness and homosexuality!
            One day the Patriots day will come…but not til we get rid of those who have undermined a great nation with perversion for over 50 yrs!Those who fought for freedom are a shrinking minority. What will the country be like when their moral backbone has passed away??

        • Joy Daniels Brower

          I’ll bet if you check with some of the State college or university systems or even some private liberal arts colleges, you’ll find PLENTY of this crap being promoted all the time. It certainly takes place at most of the Ivy League schools back East!

        • Freebyrd1968

          Probably originated in the Northeast!

          • ptiderman

            No. It probably originated in Northern California!

          • ptiderman

            No. It probably originated in Northern California!

        • Freebyrd1968

          Probably originated in the Northeast!

        • mark

          They teach Black pornography appreciation at UCSD. I imagine it’s taught at most of the UC’s in CA.

      • ConservativeSenior

        LOL!!!

      • ConservativeSenior

        LOL!!!

      • ConservativeSenior

        LOL!!!

    • jeepdude911

      Yeah, they should go to school in a state that is morally stable, like California. (SARC)

    • 2War Abn Vet

      Don’t think for a moment that this problem is limited to NC. These perverts pervade the American education system.

    • 2War Abn Vet

      Don’t think for a moment that this problem is limited to NC. These perverts pervade the American education system.

    • 2War Abn Vet

      Don’t think for a moment that this problem is limited to NC. These perverts pervade the American education system.

      • Greg Larson

        I agree, and our great leader Obama is more than likely encourageinf it.

        • Deepizzaguy

          He is encouraging this bad behavior according to web reports that the F C C is allowing more cuss words and nudity on prime time shows.

        • Deepizzaguy

          He is encouraging this bad behavior according to web reports that the F C C is allowing more cuss words and nudity on prime time shows.

        • Freebyrd1968

          He’s in charge of it!

        • Freebyrd1968

          He’s in charge of it!

        • gemjunior

          Oh you bet he loves this and surely is THE most encouraging prez we’ve had who has pushed socialism in every way. He is so disgusting it’s indescribable. Having said that, I have to let you know that Common Core is no accident. The Commies tried hard economic communism and it was opposed by everyone because of it’s in-your-face obvious unfairness and corruption. It backfired. So the Commies got together and decided they would slowly, decade-by-decade, generation-by-generation, bring big changes to America by nobody really noticing their overtly anti-freedom principles that have gradually left us with a surveillance state and rogue government/inactivated Constitution. How? By degrading and debasing American society with Stuff, Fluff, Shiny Barbie Porn, Reality TV, over satiation, gluttony, handouts, and of course the most damaging of all — political correctness, also known as Newspeak. Put the frog in warm water and slowly increase the heat – the frog doesn’t notice at all and all of a sudden he’s bubbling away in boiling water.
          It was a group of Commies known as the Frankfurt School (Now the New School for Social Research) decided to go with not economic equality but social and cultural equality, and attempt to level any human differences that exist between cultures. Cultural Marxism. And the way to do it: The Long March Through the Institutions – Academia, Media, Law, Entertainment. That’s what we are seeing now. Research it!! You’ll be as flabbergasted as I was.

        • gemjunior

          Oh you bet he loves this and surely is THE most encouraging prez we’ve had who has pushed socialism in every way. He is so disgusting it’s indescribable. Having said that, I have to let you know that Common Core is no accident. The Commies tried hard economic communism and it was opposed by everyone because of it’s in-your-face obvious unfairness and corruption. It backfired. So the Commies got together and decided they would slowly, decade-by-decade, generation-by-generation, bring big changes to America by nobody really noticing their overtly anti-freedom principles that have gradually left us with a surveillance state and rogue government/inactivated Constitution. How? By degrading and debasing American society with Stuff, Fluff, Shiny Barbie Porn, Reality TV, over satiation, gluttony, handouts, and of course the most damaging of all — political correctness, also known as Newspeak. Put the frog in warm water and slowly increase the heat – the frog doesn’t notice at all and all of a sudden he’s bubbling away in boiling water.
          It was a group of Commies known as the Frankfurt School (Now the New School for Social Research) decided to go with not economic equality but social and cultural equality, and attempt to level any human differences that exist between cultures. Cultural Marxism. And the way to do it: The Long March Through the Institutions – Academia, Media, Law, Entertainment. That’s what we are seeing now. Research it!! You’ll be as flabbergasted as I was.

        • gemjunior

          Oh you bet he loves this and surely is THE most encouraging prez we’ve had who has pushed socialism in every way. He is so disgusting it’s indescribable. Having said that, I have to let you know that Common Core is no accident. The Commies tried hard economic communism and it was opposed by everyone because of it’s in-your-face obvious unfairness and corruption. It backfired. So the Commies got together and decided they would slowly, decade-by-decade, generation-by-generation, bring big changes to America by nobody really noticing their overtly anti-freedom principles that have gradually left us with a surveillance state and rogue government/inactivated Constitution. How? By degrading and debasing American society with Stuff, Fluff, Shiny Barbie Porn, Reality TV, over satiation, gluttony, handouts, and of course the most damaging of all — political correctness, also known as Newspeak. Put the frog in warm water and slowly increase the heat – the frog doesn’t notice at all and all of a sudden he’s bubbling away in boiling water.
          It was a group of Commies known as the Frankfurt School (Now the New School for Social Research) decided to go with not economic equality but social and cultural equality, and attempt to level any human differences that exist between cultures. Cultural Marxism. And the way to do it: The Long March Through the Institutions – Academia, Media, Law, Entertainment. That’s what we are seeing now. Research it!! You’ll be as flabbergasted as I was.

      • Pat

        So agree…we have our problems here in Texas too. I’m a woman, but these feminist just embarrass me….bunch of militants who are afraid of men and think their antagonistic attitude is somehow brave, when it is just damn sad.

        • sandraleesmith46

          I was thinking “disgusting” a more appropriate term to apply to their behavior. Most often “superiority” outwardly is a cover-up for strong feelings of inferiority in reality. Have you looked at the majority of females who behave in these manners?

          • bitterrootbill

            Yep..They`re dogs!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Well, I was thinking “homely”, but that will work too.

          • bitterrootbill

            I really should try and be more kind,,nah. Dogs it is!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Forthrightness is a rare commodity these days too.

          • bitterrootbill

            Why, thank you, Ma`am!

          • bitterrootbill

            Why, thank you, Ma`am!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Forthrightness is a rare commodity these days too.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Forthrightness is a rare commodity these days too.

          • zj sky

            hey! be nice to dogs!

          • zj sky

            hey! be nice to dogs!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Well, I was thinking “homely”, but that will work too.

          • Abilene

            Why would you insult dogs in that manner? My dog is valuable and sleeps on my porch. I wouldn’t let any of those idiots on my property.

          • bitterrootbill

            Come to think about it, I did short change man`s best friend. I hold my dogs in much higher regard and esteem than ‘them’.

          • bitterrootbill

            Come to think about it, I did short change man`s best friend. I hold my dogs in much higher regard and esteem than ‘them’.

          • bitterrootbill

            Come to think about it, I did short change man`s best friend. I hold my dogs in much higher regard and esteem than ‘them’.

          • phil

            And even boy dogs ONLY go for the girl dogs … if you know what I mean. They seem to understand and I guarantee they are not embarrassed.

          • Ewade

            In all honesty, most “boy dogs” I’ve seen go for girl trees, girl fence posts, girl vacuum cleaners, and just about anything else they can imagine would be receptive to their doggie lovin.

          • Ewade

            In all honesty, most “boy dogs” I’ve seen go for girl trees, girl fence posts, girl vacuum cleaners, and just about anything else they can imagine would be receptive to their doggie lovin.

          • Ewade

            In all honesty, most “boy dogs” I’ve seen go for girl trees, girl fence posts, girl vacuum cleaners, and just about anything else they can imagine would be receptive to their doggie lovin.

          • phil

            And even boy dogs ONLY go for the girl dogs … if you know what I mean. They seem to understand and I guarantee they are not embarrassed.

          • phil

            And even boy dogs ONLY go for the girl dogs … if you know what I mean. They seem to understand and I guarantee they are not embarrassed.

          • ballpark1981

            would b:tches be correct????

          • bitterrootbill

            Yep..They`re dogs!

          • bitterrootbill

            Yep..They`re dogs!

        • sandraleesmith46

          I was thinking “disgusting” a more appropriate term to apply to their behavior. Most often “superiority” outwardly is a cover-up for strong feelings of inferiority in reality. Have you looked at the majority of females who behave in these manners?

        • sandraleesmith46

          I was thinking “disgusting” a more appropriate term to apply to their behavior. Most often “superiority” outwardly is a cover-up for strong feelings of inferiority in reality. Have you looked at the majority of females who behave in these manners?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1846636145 Mike Hobgood

          But you’ve GOT to love the microwave professor……LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Terrorism expert…….LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Freebyrd1968

            Sounds like the loons are in charge of the asylum!

          • Freebyrd1968

            Sounds like the loons are in charge of the asylum!

        • http://blaze.com/ mathchopper

          There’s only one way to fix this problem. You conservative women need to “visit” these Democrap feminists and beat the excrement outta them. Men can’t do it because it would be too unfair.

        • http://blaze.com/ mathchopper

          There’s only one way to fix this problem. You conservative women need to “visit” these Democrap feminists and beat the excrement outta them. Men can’t do it because it would be too unfair.

          • idiotmitten

            The men might lose.

          • idiotmitten

            The men might lose.

          • idiotmitten

            The men might lose.

        • commonsense_is_dead

          Penis-phobic.

        • commonsense_is_dead

          Penis-phobic.

        • commonsense_is_dead

          Penis-phobic.

        • tiredwasp

          Imo, it’s about the young women who are their daughters. They are ruined by having mothers like that. And this means the transmission of american oral tradition (from the generational americans) was a chain that could be broken. Take out just one Generation of mothers (who transmit the oral culture) and you can then own the children and make statist robots “consumers” out of them.

        • tiredwasp

          Imo, it’s about the young women who are their daughters. They are ruined by having mothers like that. And this means the transmission of american oral tradition (from the generational americans) was a chain that could be broken. Take out just one Generation of mothers (who transmit the oral culture) and you can then own the children and make statist robots “consumers” out of them.

        • tiredwasp

          Imo, it’s about the young women who are their daughters. They are ruined by having mothers like that. And this means the transmission of american oral tradition (from the generational americans) was a chain that could be broken. Take out just one Generation of mothers (who transmit the oral culture) and you can then own the children and make statist robots “consumers” out of them.

      • Pat

        So agree…we have our problems here in Texas too. I’m a woman, but these feminist just embarrass me….bunch of militants who are afraid of men and think their antagonistic attitude is somehow brave, when it is just damn sad.

      • Pat

        So agree…we have our problems here in Texas too. I’m a woman, but these feminist just embarrass me….bunch of militants who are afraid of men and think their antagonistic attitude is somehow brave, when it is just damn sad.

      • petie3

        Anyone who ‘sends’ their child to a 4-year school is an idiot or rich beyond belief. Community College is much more content oriented, hugely cheaper, and the kids will probably be better prepared if they go to University as a 3d year Junior. Also, they will escape most of the hogwash indoctrination foisted on entering Freshmen. ‘Progressive’ phui.

        • sandraleesmith46

          Many community colleges are now affiliating with 4 year universities and providing the other 2 years on their campus’ too; we have one in the town where I live doing that. And I know of several others; so that the kids get the education in a SLIGHTLY better atmosphere.

          • Spade

            North Carolina’s community colleges credits are transferable to the entire UNC system although I can’t say that’s 100% of the credits but I think it is. There are seventeen university campuses if I’m not mistaken.
            A-B Tech in Asheville, the San Francisco of the east, fired an instructor in the spring of 2011 for making a conservative remark to his class. What happened to his academic freedom? Only liberals have it, it would seem.
            I’ll add another UNC tidbit. When Sarah Palin was running for vice president in 2008 she made a speech in the Asheville Civic center which holds about 7000 for such an event. The local liberals sent people to heckle Mrs. Palin which didn’t bother her. In the 2012 election Joe Biden came to Asheville and they put him in the smaller of UNC-A’s two arenas which holds a whopping 1200 people. The liberals didn’t let anyone in that may heckle Biden, knowing he couldn’t handle it and from what I was told they put a bench in the woods out of site of little Joey and said it was the free speech area. Only Communists have free speech in the North Carolina Indoctrination System.

          • Spade

            North Carolina’s community colleges credits are transferable to the entire UNC system although I can’t say that’s 100% of the credits but I think it is. There are seventeen university campuses if I’m not mistaken.
            A-B Tech in Asheville, the San Francisco of the east, fired an instructor in the spring of 2011 for making a conservative remark to his class. What happened to his academic freedom? Only liberals have it, it would seem.
            I’ll add another UNC tidbit. When Sarah Palin was running for vice president in 2008 she made a speech in the Asheville Civic center which holds about 7000 for such an event. The local liberals sent people to heckle Mrs. Palin which didn’t bother her. In the 2012 election Joe Biden came to Asheville and they put him in the smaller of UNC-A’s two arenas which holds a whopping 1200 people. The liberals didn’t let anyone in that may heckle Biden, knowing he couldn’t handle it and from what I was told they put a bench in the woods out of site of little Joey and said it was the free speech area. Only Communists have free speech in the North Carolina Indoctrination System.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Would that it was only NC, but that’s true all across this nation. It happenef on the Flagstaff campus of NAU, a few weeks back according to the local news feeds. And it’s been in the CA news as well happening many times over there. Right here in my home town, a girl was made to take off a cross in her classes on campus, because some “atheist” complained about her wearing it. It’s a sad state of affairs, but on the good side, as we see this escalating, we KNOW that Jesus’ return is near!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Would that it was only NC, but that’s true all across this nation. It happenef on the Flagstaff campus of NAU, a few weeks back according to the local news feeds. And it’s been in the CA news as well happening many times over there. Right here in my home town, a girl was made to take off a cross in her classes on campus, because some “atheist” complained about her wearing it. It’s a sad state of affairs, but on the good side, as we see this escalating, we KNOW that Jesus’ return is near!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Would that it was only NC, but that’s true all across this nation. It happenef on the Flagstaff campus of NAU, a few weeks back according to the local news feeds. And it’s been in the CA news as well happening many times over there. Right here in my home town, a girl was made to take off a cross in her classes on campus, because some “atheist” complained about her wearing it. It’s a sad state of affairs, but on the good side, as we see this escalating, we KNOW that Jesus’ return is near!

          • Spade

            North Carolina’s community colleges credits are transferable to the entire UNC system although I can’t say that’s 100% of the credits but I think it is. There are seventeen university campuses if I’m not mistaken.
            A-B Tech in Asheville, the San Francisco of the east, fired an instructor in the spring of 2011 for making a conservative remark to his class. What happened to his academic freedom? Only liberals have it, it would seem.
            I’ll add another UNC tidbit. When Sarah Palin was running for vice president in 2008 she made a speech in the Asheville Civic center which holds about 7000 for such an event. The local liberals sent people to heckle Mrs. Palin which didn’t bother her. In the 2012 election Joe Biden came to Asheville and they put him in the smaller of UNC-A’s two arenas which holds a whopping 1200 people. The liberals didn’t let anyone in that may heckle Biden, knowing he couldn’t handle it and from what I was told they put a bench in the woods out of site of little Joey and said it was the free speech area. Only Communists have free speech in the North Carolina Indoctrination System.

          • SWohio

            Our community college is growing so fast, soon the entire downtown’s empty buildings will belong to them. They are actually building a dorm for the students. This has always been a commuter college, so it is quite a change to have students attending who live in dorms.

          • sandraleesmith46

            One of ours here already has dorms, and live-in students. It’s nearly the size of a small 4 year college itself.

          • sandraleesmith46

            One of ours here already has dorms, and live-in students. It’s nearly the size of a small 4 year college itself.

          • sandraleesmith46

            One of ours here already has dorms, and live-in students. It’s nearly the size of a small 4 year college itself.

          • SWohio

            Our community college is growing so fast, soon the entire downtown’s empty buildings will belong to them. They are actually building a dorm for the students. This has always been a commuter college, so it is quite a change to have students attending who live in dorms.

        • BamBam

          CC can be an issue. Depends on the College and the University you hope to transfer credits. The classes you take at a university, and the university itself tell you alot. Students taking Women’s studies area able to get a job at any local fast food joint. Those taking engineering classes can look forward to six figure incomes.
          May I recomend checking Hillman college, grove city college and Geneva college before rejecting all 4 year colleges.

          • pnoldguy

            What about Hillsdale? I think they are conservative at least.

        • BamBam

          CC can be an issue. Depends on the College and the University you hope to transfer credits. The classes you take at a university, and the university itself tell you alot. Students taking Women’s studies area able to get a job at any local fast food joint. Those taking engineering classes can look forward to six figure incomes.
          May I recomend checking Hillman college, grove city college and Geneva college before rejecting all 4 year colleges.

        • BamBam

          CC can be an issue. Depends on the College and the University you hope to transfer credits. The classes you take at a university, and the university itself tell you alot. Students taking Women’s studies area able to get a job at any local fast food joint. Those taking engineering classes can look forward to six figure incomes.
          May I recomend checking Hillman college, grove city college and Geneva college before rejecting all 4 year colleges.

        • Bronco’s

          My parents gross 120,000 annually, as a team. That is not rich beyond belief, and I would have to say, they are very intelligent people. I am a student at Western Michigan University, and yes, my parents ‘sent me there.’
          Community college is limited, sure you can get a four year degree, but please, tell me how that degree matches up against someone who graduated from a respected university.
          I think you’ll find that-to an employer- it is all about the piece of paper acquired from the university, rather than the education itself. If its simply knowledge you are after, then by all means, youre on track by attending the local ‘why pay more’ school.
          I’m not sure what your experience was in college, but clearly, your thought process is bias, and ignorance is not always bliss.
          Upon receiving my bio physics degree from Texas A&M, I’ll be sure to think of this comment when I drill my first oil well.
          Cheers.

          • CPT

            Bronco, you are only half right. A good school can certainly be an asset on a recent grad’s resume, however a strong work ethic is the one thing that will guarantee your success. Once you’ve graduated, potential employers don’t so much look at your academic record, as they do your work history, especially after you’ve been out in the real world for a while. Consider this free advice from someone who’s been there, you’re welcome.

          • Garoux

            CPT, that’s a load of crock. One essentially has to pay for a job by getting a degree these days, because employers seem to only care about a piece of paper, while ignoring those that are actually good at the job positions in question.

            Let me give you an example: A friend of mine that works at the same business as I do had been working as a manager downstairs for over 4 years, before switching to another station due to some conflict. 3 years later, she tried to switch back over when an opening came up, and was denied, as a policy was put into effect where her old position required a degree. So instead of hiring someone who had been doing that job for 4 years and did her job well, they hired some jackass straight out of college who turned out not to have a damn clue what he was doing.

            This is just one example, and is something you see almost everywhere concerning big business. It’s a bit easier to step up when working service/blue collar jobs. But for everyone else, you either have to know people, kiss some serious ass for years, or have a piece of paper that allegedly states qualification.

          • CPT

            I can agree with some of your points. Some jobs do indeed require a certain level of education, that’s just a reality, but once you have obtained a job you will not be able to be successful at it if you prove yourself to be unreliable or lazy. There will always be an exception to each situation, and there’s no doubt that people with college credentials tend to earn more than people who don’t, but in the real world, people who have no work ethic tend to drift from job to job, always blaming someone else for their lack of success. I see it all the time, and it makes no difference how many degrees you have either. I know people with PhD’s who have never held a steady job in their entire adult lives.

          • CPT

            I can agree with some of your points. Some jobs do indeed require a certain level of education, that’s just a reality, but once you have obtained a job you will not be able to be successful at it if you prove yourself to be unreliable or lazy. There will always be an exception to each situation, and there’s no doubt that people with college credentials tend to earn more than people who don’t, but in the real world, people who have no work ethic tend to drift from job to job, always blaming someone else for their lack of success. I see it all the time, and it makes no difference how many degrees you have either. I know people with PhD’s who have never held a steady job in their entire adult lives.

          • CPT

            I can agree with some of your points. Some jobs do indeed require a certain level of education, that’s just a reality, but once you have obtained a job you will not be able to be successful at it if you prove yourself to be unreliable or lazy. There will always be an exception to each situation, and there’s no doubt that people with college credentials tend to earn more than people who don’t, but in the real world, people who have no work ethic tend to drift from job to job, always blaming someone else for their lack of success. I see it all the time, and it makes no difference how many degrees you have either. I know people with PhD’s who have never held a steady job in their entire adult lives.

          • ptiderman

            Yeah…and maybe that previous “conflict” had everything to do with this employer’s decision to not allow her to return to that position! Also, exactly what is a “load of crock?” I’ve never heard of that one!

          • ptiderman

            Yeah…and maybe that previous “conflict” had everything to do with this employer’s decision to not allow her to return to that position! Also, exactly what is a “load of crock?” I’ve never heard of that one!

          • ptiderman

            Yeah…and maybe that previous “conflict” had everything to do with this employer’s decision to not allow her to return to that position! Also, exactly what is a “load of crock?” I’ve never heard of that one!

          • Rami Eskola

            Big corporations have an unfortunate tendency to become bureaucracies. They tend to create processes that are standardized, ‘scientific’ or ‘rational’. These processes act to delegate and substitute thinking.
            Delegating the entire recruitment process to a corporate function is however a big mistake. That kind of recruitment performs some shoddy psychological evaluation and then rates applicants papers. If one is a recent graduate, it’s difficult to stand out from the croud with a mediocre diploma.
            What we and several other recuiting colleagues have found is, that one need’s to carefully interview the applicants for the job at hand and field specialist have to review the academic credentials. Some recruits might have excellent academic credentials but when confronted with a test of few simple real world tasks they can fail miserably. This is especially manifested with some Asian cultures so it might be something related to personality or deeper cultural differences though.

          • CPT

            Bronco, you are only half right. A good school can certainly be an asset on a recent grad’s resume, however a strong work ethic is the one thing that will guarantee your success. Once you’ve graduated, potential employers don’t so much look at your academic record, as they do your work history, especially after you’ve been out in the real world for a while. Consider this free advice from someone who’s been there, you’re welcome.

          • CPT

            Bronco, you are only half right. A good school can certainly be an asset on a recent grad’s resume, however a strong work ethic is the one thing that will guarantee your success. Once you’ve graduated, potential employers don’t so much look at your academic record, as they do your work history, especially after you’ve been out in the real world for a while. Consider this free advice from someone who’s been there, you’re welcome.

          • Heisenbergswife

            Oh, dear, I think you mean, “your thought process is biased.” Not “your thought process is bias.”

          • Heisenbergswife

            Oh, dear, I think you mean, “your thought process is biased.” Not “your thought process is bias.”

          • Heisenbergswife

            Oh, dear, I think you mean, “your thought process is biased.” Not “your thought process is bias.”

          • Patti

            My husband went to a local community college that just so happened to have the second-best engineering program in the US at that time. He received a superb education from professors who gave a rat’s fart about their students. To put it in perspective, the dropout rate was about 90% because the program was so difficult and demanding. Any student who made it through there with a high average was able to easily get into top-notch engineering schools. So, don’t knock community colleges. They can and do deliver some serious bang for the buck. Cheers to you, too.

          • Patti

            My husband went to a local community college that just so happened to have the second-best engineering program in the US at that time. He received a superb education from professors who gave a rat’s fart about their students. To put it in perspective, the dropout rate was about 90% because the program was so difficult and demanding. Any student who made it through there with a high average was able to easily get into top-notch engineering schools. So, don’t knock community colleges. They can and do deliver some serious bang for the buck. Cheers to you, too.

          • Patti

            My husband went to a local community college that just so happened to have the second-best engineering program in the US at that time. He received a superb education from professors who gave a rat’s fart about their students. To put it in perspective, the dropout rate was about 90% because the program was so difficult and demanding. Any student who made it through there with a high average was able to easily get into top-notch engineering schools. So, don’t knock community colleges. They can and do deliver some serious bang for the buck. Cheers to you, too.

          • Freebyrd1968

            They probably do care about their students, at least the ones willing to work. Students change majors when they find out they can’t get behind and they have to work. Usually to education, psychology or something similar. You can’t BS your way through Engineering!

          • Freebyrd1968

            They probably do care about their students, at least the ones willing to work. Students change majors when they find out they can’t get behind and they have to work. Usually to education, psychology or something similar. You can’t BS your way through Engineering!

          • Freebyrd1968

            They probably do care about their students, at least the ones willing to work. Students change majors when they find out they can’t get behind and they have to work. Usually to education, psychology or something similar. You can’t BS your way through Engineering!

          • MeanGranny

            You’d be better off going to a trade school and learning how to weld. You’d be assured of a job when you graduated.

          • bitterrootbill

            Right on Granny. My daughter was about to start college with no idea what to major in, or for that matter, what classes she wanted to take. After meeting with her adviser at U of Montana she came home and told me she was enrolled in their College of Technology. I could not be more pleased..that from a retired builder/cabinetmaker.

          • bitterrootbill

            Right on Granny. My daughter was about to start college with no idea what to major in, or for that matter, what classes she wanted to take. After meeting with her adviser at U of Montana she came home and told me she was enrolled in their College of Technology. I could not be more pleased..that from a retired builder/cabinetmaker.

          • bitterrootbill

            Right on Granny. My daughter was about to start college with no idea what to major in, or for that matter, what classes she wanted to take. After meeting with her adviser at U of Montana she came home and told me she was enrolled in their College of Technology. I could not be more pleased..that from a retired builder/cabinetmaker.

          • boo-yah

            I think you missed the point, Bronc. The post you referred to clearly states at least the option of starting in CC and finishing at a 4-year, it was not exclusive. Apparently, your 4-year degree was a little light on reading comprehension?

          • boo-yah

            I think you missed the point, Bronc. The post you referred to clearly states at least the option of starting in CC and finishing at a 4-year, it was not exclusive. Apparently, your 4-year degree was a little light on reading comprehension?

          • ptiderman

            Bronco’s: Yeah…Good luck with that. Maybe when you are flipping burgers, or asking people, “Do you want fries with that?” in about 4 years, you will understand what is being said!

          • rigginrich

            if you think that a piece of paper will get you a job, thats what i believed till i graduated and couldnt find work for months. experience is what will get you a job much more than any piece of paper will, you would be good to learn that bronco. i have two friends, both EE or electrical engineers, both went to the same school purdue, one did a two semester on one semester internship program, the other one didnt. the experienced one got a job right out of school that paid well, the other one waited over a year and did entry level bs for a while till they could move up the ladder.

          • rigginrich

            if you think that a piece of paper will get you a job, thats what i believed till i graduated and couldnt find work for months. experience is what will get you a job much more than any piece of paper will, you would be good to learn that bronco. i have two friends, both EE or electrical engineers, both went to the same school purdue, one did a two semester on one semester internship program, the other one didnt. the experienced one got a job right out of school that paid well, the other one waited over a year and did entry level bs for a while till they could move up the ladder.

          • rigginrich

            if you think that a piece of paper will get you a job, thats what i believed till i graduated and couldnt find work for months. experience is what will get you a job much more than any piece of paper will, you would be good to learn that bronco. i have two friends, both EE or electrical engineers, both went to the same school purdue, one did a two semester on one semester internship program, the other one didnt. the experienced one got a job right out of school that paid well, the other one waited over a year and did entry level bs for a while till they could move up the ladder.

        • Amonite

          Community college is actually worse. It’s indoctrination (Sex, liberal politics, ‘competition is horrible! You are all victims!) – minus any true learning or critical thining. At my first community college they just gave us whatever grade we wanted (because grading was ‘evil competition’). Also, if you wanted to get into student government or political science you were bullied or even forced to support liberal policies. The second community college was not rigorous (despite the grading issue, the first was actually better in terms of teaching) – and promoted sex & hating america. They do have the advantage of not forcing kids into a dorm life or into situations of group-think, and the students still have access to the world outside the campus more so than an on-site 4 year.

          • bitterrootbill

            No competition=The liberal mindset.

          • bitterrootbill

            No competition=The liberal mindset.

          • bitterrootbill

            No competition=The liberal mindset.

          • cricket1961

            It all depends on where you look to go to school and what type of politics they follow… You all need to research the school you plan to be educated at… Don’t be scared to ask them where they stand on political topics, how they grade and such…

        • Amonite

          Community college is actually worse. It’s indoctrination (Sex, liberal politics, ‘competition is horrible! You are all victims!) – minus any true learning or critical thining. At my first community college they just gave us whatever grade we wanted (because grading was ‘evil competition’). Also, if you wanted to get into student government or political science you were bullied or even forced to support liberal policies. The second community college was not rigorous (despite the grading issue, the first was actually better in terms of teaching) – and promoted sex & hating america. They do have the advantage of not forcing kids into a dorm life or into situations of group-think, and the students still have access to the world outside the campus more so than an on-site 4 year.

        • Amonite

          Community college is actually worse. It’s indoctrination (Sex, liberal politics, ‘competition is horrible! You are all victims!) – minus any true learning or critical thining. At my first community college they just gave us whatever grade we wanted (because grading was ‘evil competition’). Also, if you wanted to get into student government or political science you were bullied or even forced to support liberal policies. The second community college was not rigorous (despite the grading issue, the first was actually better in terms of teaching) – and promoted sex & hating america. They do have the advantage of not forcing kids into a dorm life or into situations of group-think, and the students still have access to the world outside the campus more so than an on-site 4 year.

        • Freebyrd1968

          Only if they stay out of the humanities and the other soft sciences!

        • Freebyrd1968

          Only if they stay out of the humanities and the other soft sciences!

        • Freebyrd1968

          Only if they stay out of the humanities and the other soft sciences!

      • petie3

        Anyone who ‘sends’ their child to a 4-year school is an idiot or rich beyond belief. Community College is much more content oriented, hugely cheaper, and the kids will probably be better prepared if they go to University as a 3d year Junior. Also, they will escape most of the hogwash indoctrination foisted on entering Freshmen. ‘Progressive’ phui.

      • Jordan48

        Very true statement. It is a pervasive spiritual sickness that continues to spread across this nation’s public education system and purported schools of “higher learning”. Because they choose to live without God, they have lost their moral compass, if they ever had one to begin with. If we wish to destroy the works of these vile liberal-tards, we need to take away their funding, their wealth, their students, by boycotting these schools permanently!

        • Junie3

          We just accepted Common Core, written by people like these. McCrory better wake up on this issue.

          • Julie A

            Common Core is what will fundamentally transform America. It is designed to turn our children into socialists.

          • Julie A

            Common Core is what will fundamentally transform America. It is designed to turn our children into socialists.

          • cricket1961

            Common Core was designed to dumb down American people in so that the government and the Elite would be able to control them in the New World Order… of which the plans for have already begun coming to pass…

          • nancyleecole

            I thought drugs have already done this!!!

          • cricket1961

            Yes, but only those susceptible to drugs are effected by drugs… Common Core curriculum will effect the masses unable to educate them selves against what they’ll be shown as their (the government’s) acceptable norm…

          • cricket1961

            DRUGS ONLY EFFECT THOSE THAT USE THEM…THIS WILL TAKE CARE OF THE REST…

          • nancyleecole

            I thought drugs have already done this!!!

          • Julie A

            Common Core is what will fundamentally transform America. It is designed to turn our children into socialists.

        • Junie3

          We just accepted Common Core, written by people like these. McCrory better wake up on this issue.

      • Jordan48

        Very true statement. It is a pervasive spiritual sickness that continues to spread across this nation’s public education system and purported schools of “higher learning”. Because they choose to live without God, they have lost their moral compass, if they ever had one to begin with. If we wish to destroy the works of these vile liberal-tards, we need to take away their funding, their wealth, their students, by boycotting these schools permanently!

      • Jordan48

        Very true statement. It is a pervasive spiritual sickness that continues to spread across this nation’s public education system and purported schools of “higher learning”. Because they choose to live without God, they have lost their moral compass, if they ever had one to begin with. If we wish to destroy the works of these vile liberal-tards, we need to take away their funding, their wealth, their students, by boycotting these schools permanently!

      • James Dutton

        It’s hard to imagine there are active professors in the education system that promote pedophilia and it’s no wonder so many young teachers fresh out of collage are having sex with their students

      • James Dutton

        It’s hard to imagine there are active professors in the education system that promote pedophilia and it’s no wonder so many young teachers fresh out of collage are having sex with their students

      • ballpark1981

        true , the liberal cancer infecting the USA is country wide, but can be cured

        • congress is spineless

          I had always liked UNC and wanted my kids to attend the school but once my nephew graduated from there I realized the brain washing there was out of control and the state of NC should not give anymore funding to that Communist Institution. A child is an empty slate and it is up to parents to write on that slate instead of letting the public education system fill in the blanks we have left open and it seems that my brother and his wife are guilty of that. But we can thank God that UNC has at least one Professor with a moral compass and the guts to stand up for his ideals.

        • congress is spineless

          I had always liked UNC and wanted my kids to attend the school but once my nephew graduated from there I realized the brain washing there was out of control and the state of NC should not give anymore funding to that Communist Institution. A child is an empty slate and it is up to parents to write on that slate instead of letting the public education system fill in the blanks we have left open and it seems that my brother and his wife are guilty of that. But we can thank God that UNC has at least one Professor with a moral compass and the guts to stand up for his ideals.

        • congress is spineless

          I had always liked UNC and wanted my kids to attend the school but once my nephew graduated from there I realized the brain washing there was out of control and the state of NC should not give anymore funding to that Communist Institution. A child is an empty slate and it is up to parents to write on that slate instead of letting the public education system fill in the blanks we have left open and it seems that my brother and his wife are guilty of that. But we can thank God that UNC has at least one Professor with a moral compass and the guts to stand up for his ideals.

      • ballpark1981

        true , the liberal cancer infecting the USA is country wide, but can be cured

      • AceTrace

        Indeed. And these professors who are promoting this perversion are paid well for their indoctrination duties.

      • AceTrace

        Indeed. And these professors who are promoting this perversion are paid well for their indoctrination duties.

    • Rattlerjake

      Got news for you, North Carolina, in the last election, got rid of the libturd majority. We are now being governed by conservatives, and they have really pi55ed off the libturds by overturning and removing many of the libturd laws. Many of the things mentioned are happening in ALL of the states, the citizens just don’t know it because they refuse to get involved. There will be a day that we will be able to eradicate these useless, immoral, government puppets – it just won’t come soon enough for me!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1846636145 Mike Hobgood

        Its good to read that at least one state has returned to normalcy….well as close as possible…..

      • zj sky

        I wish god speed to the fine state of NC. I live behind enemy lines here in NYC. Libturds running amok!

      • zj sky

        I wish god speed to the fine state of NC. I live behind enemy lines here in NYC. Libturds running amok!

    • bitterrootbill

      Academia all across the nation has been made up of this very brand of perversion since the 60s “Sexual Revolution”, which was merely a guise for introducing the regime that is presently turning America into the unrecognizable state she is morphing into as we speak.
      Satan is clicking his heels and laughing his ‘tail’ off, but he and his minions` days are numbered, as they`ll all go down when Jesus returns. It will not be pretty.
      If you have college aged kids, send them to Liberty U.

    • bitterrootbill

      Academia all across the nation has been made up of this very brand of perversion since the 60s “Sexual Revolution”, which was merely a guise for introducing the regime that is presently turning America into the unrecognizable state she is morphing into as we speak.
      Satan is clicking his heels and laughing his ‘tail’ off, but he and his minions` days are numbered, as they`ll all go down when Jesus returns. It will not be pretty.
      If you have college aged kids, send them to Liberty U.

    • FredAGunt

      Don’t think for a second that this nonsense doesn’t go on in Austin.

    • FredAGunt

      Don’t think for a second that this nonsense doesn’t go on in Austin.

    • Richard Williams

      “God help North Carolina college students.” This garbage is systemic in American education. More good reasons to homeschool and forgo college, unless you’re going to be an engineer or something. There are other options:
      http://www.collegeplus.org/

    • Flyover Al in CT

      Rush read the entire letter today.

    • Flyover Al in CT

      Rush read the entire letter today.

    • Flyover Al in CT

      Rush read the entire letter today.

    • wardropper

      rein

    • wardropper

      rein

  • Janet

    WELL I HOPE YOU GET FIRED YOU CLOSED MINDED LUNATIC

    • Bonsall Billy

      When you locate your Caps Lock key, borrow some punctuation marks, and develop a few more brain cells, you will really be able to add something of value to the discussion.

      • Don’t Even Try It!

        We can only hope that “SHE/IT” is incapable of reproducing ;-)

      • Don’t Even Try It!

        We can only hope that “SHE/IT” is incapable of reproducing ;-)

      • Don’t Even Try It!

        We can only hope that “SHE/IT” is incapable of reproducing ;-)

      • garysvent

        Add instructions on how to pull the chin strap on her thinking cap much, much more tightly, because it has become very, very loose.

        • OldNorthState

          Indeed… see my similar response to “Janet”, above…

        • OldNorthState

          Indeed… see my similar response to “Janet”, above…

    • Bonsall Billy

      When you locate your Caps Lock key, borrow some punctuation marks, and develop a few more brain cells, you will really be able to add something of value to the discussion.

    • DeckerG

      facetious or sadly serious?

      • JimmyMac6778

        Libtard Feminazi for sure – probably with a raging yeast infection..

      • JimmyMac6778

        Libtard Feminazi for sure – probably with a raging yeast infection..

      • JimmyMac6778

        Libtard Feminazi for sure – probably with a raging yeast infection..

    • DeckerG

      facetious or sadly serious?

    • Grayce

      Janet, I will pray for you. You are a sad and lost soul

    • muslimfree America

      Ha!…Janet have you even considered how many people die from abortions now ( post roe v. Wade)… vs how few died before roe v. Wade…..In the Entire history of mankind before Roe v. Wade ?…..
      And do you accept , tolerate, and embrace the diversity of the views of conservatives before condemning them?… ask yourself who is truly closed minded.

    • muslimfree America

      Ha!…Janet have you even considered how many people die from abortions now ( post roe v. Wade)… vs how few died before roe v. Wade…..In the Entire history of mankind before Roe v. Wade ?…..
      And do you accept , tolerate, and embrace the diversity of the views of conservatives before condemning them?… ask yourself who is truly closed minded.

    • muslimfree America

      Ha!…Janet have you even considered how many people die from abortions now ( post roe v. Wade)… vs how few died before roe v. Wade…..In the Entire history of mankind before Roe v. Wade ?…..
      And do you accept , tolerate, and embrace the diversity of the views of conservatives before condemning them?… ask yourself who is truly closed minded.

    • ISawTomorrow

      LOL,Janet,you just reinforced his point.

    • ISawTomorrow

      LOL,Janet,you just reinforced his point.

      • Darius the Mede

        Sounds like “Janet” is another one of those whose elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top floor. Fact is, hers probably doesn’t even get out of the sub-basement. Also, another splendid example of higher education. By the way, Janet, your computer does have lower case letters AND punctuation marks. If yours, by some chance, doesn’t, maybe you can use a magic marker to put in the punctuation marks on your computer screen (that’s sarcastic)

        • larrygrant876

          Janet probably gets some financial compensation for being loyal to those who think like this also, you know, monthly stipends to keep you voting democrat.

        • larrygrant876

          Janet probably gets some financial compensation for being loyal to those who think like this also, you know, monthly stipends to keep you voting democrat.

    • 1NedSprockethead1

      For sure, this is sarcasm, right? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, not even Jeremiah Wright, is that stupid.

    • 1NedSprockethead1

      For sure, this is sarcasm, right? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, not even Jeremiah Wright, is that stupid.

    • Francis Choudhury

      Thank goodness he’s “closed minded”! If he was as “open minded” as you, chances are his brains too would’ve fallen out!

      • Dawn Garland

        janet is a brain dead woman…….

      • Dawn Garland

        janet is a brain dead woman…….

      • Dawn Garland

        janet is a brain dead woman…….

    • Francis Choudhury

      Thank goodness he’s “closed minded”! If he was as “open minded” as you, chances are his brains too would’ve fallen out!

    • Francis Choudhury

      Thank goodness he’s “closed minded”! If he was as “open minded” as you, chances are his brains too would’ve fallen out!

    • VT Patriot

      Come on guys, don’t beat up on poor Janet. After all, she was educated in No Carolina, so this is all she knows.

    • VT Patriot

      Come on guys, don’t beat up on poor Janet. After all, she was educated in No Carolina, so this is all she knows.

    • VT Patriot

      Come on guys, don’t beat up on poor Janet. After all, she was educated in No Carolina, so this is all she knows.

    • BrooklynResident

      So where do you teach, Janet?

    • BrooklynResident

      So where do you teach, Janet?

    • BrooklynResident

      So where do you teach, Janet?

    • paulrph1

      It sounds to me like he is the one with the open mind. An open mind does not mean you are open to deviant behavior but that you look at all sides and make the right choice. There are sick people who will seek some sort of help but then there are sick people who never will and just regress into more sickness.

    • larrygrant876

      Please turn off the cap locks Janet and try again, this time using your education and not your indoctrination talking points. I for one am very interested in why Mike Adams is closed minded, please explain in some detail, if you don’t mind use the list of 10 he provided and do a point by point clarification for us. If you can’t do so it’s because you suffer from the most painful and yet easiest of all diseases to cure and that is liberalism, it is a mental illness that blocks off all contact with reality. Janet, please respond to this.

    • larrygrant876

      Please turn off the cap locks Janet and try again, this time using your education and not your indoctrination talking points. I for one am very interested in why Mike Adams is closed minded, please explain in some detail, if you don’t mind use the list of 10 he provided and do a point by point clarification for us. If you can’t do so it’s because you suffer from the most painful and yet easiest of all diseases to cure and that is liberalism, it is a mental illness that blocks off all contact with reality. Janet, please respond to this.

    • larrygrant876

      Please turn off the cap locks Janet and try again, this time using your education and not your indoctrination talking points. I for one am very interested in why Mike Adams is closed minded, please explain in some detail, if you don’t mind use the list of 10 he provided and do a point by point clarification for us. If you can’t do so it’s because you suffer from the most painful and yet easiest of all diseases to cure and that is liberalism, it is a mental illness that blocks off all contact with reality. Janet, please respond to this.

    • paintinc56

      Closed minded, hmm, I believe it is YOU & the other crazed, mentally ill control freaks that are closed minded. You don’t see pro life activists wearing diapers & throwing their feces & used tampons at those that oppose their point of view, you don’t hear conservatives DICTATING what you can eat & say, you don’t see pro marriage supporters smashing gays with rocks & bottles, going into gay bars & throwing Bibles at everyone or storming into a gay activist organization & trying to MURDER everyone.
      Also, you gutless HYPOCRITES savagely attack Christians because they believe marriage is between one man & one woman, calling them bigots, yet say NOTHING about Islam, that also condemns gay marriage & calls for the DEATH of gays. Then you say to conservatives that if they don’t pay for YOUR abortions & birth control they are sexist buy embrace politicians who RAPE, MURDER, USE & ABUSE women, think Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Wiener, Spitzer, Filner & so many others.
      Crawl back to the KOS, brain dead troll, where your drivel is appreciated.

    • paintinc56

      Closed minded, hmm, I believe it is YOU & the other crazed, mentally ill control freaks that are closed minded. You don’t see pro life activists wearing diapers & throwing their feces & used tampons at those that oppose their point of view, you don’t hear conservatives DICTATING what you can eat & say, you don’t see pro marriage supporters smashing gays with rocks & bottles, going into gay bars & throwing Bibles at everyone or storming into a gay activist organization & trying to MURDER everyone.
      Also, you gutless HYPOCRITES savagely attack Christians because they believe marriage is between one man & one woman, calling them bigots, yet say NOTHING about Islam, that also condemns gay marriage & calls for the DEATH of gays. Then you say to conservatives that if they don’t pay for YOUR abortions & birth control they are sexist buy embrace politicians who RAPE, MURDER, USE & ABUSE women, think Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Wiener, Spitzer, Filner & so many others.
      Crawl back to the KOS, brain dead troll, where your drivel is appreciated.

    • paintinc56

      Closed minded, hmm, I believe it is YOU & the other crazed, mentally ill control freaks that are closed minded. You don’t see pro life activists wearing diapers & throwing their feces & used tampons at those that oppose their point of view, you don’t hear conservatives DICTATING what you can eat & say, you don’t see pro marriage supporters smashing gays with rocks & bottles, going into gay bars & throwing Bibles at everyone or storming into a gay activist organization & trying to MURDER everyone.
      Also, you gutless HYPOCRITES savagely attack Christians because they believe marriage is between one man & one woman, calling them bigots, yet say NOTHING about Islam, that also condemns gay marriage & calls for the DEATH of gays. Then you say to conservatives that if they don’t pay for YOUR abortions & birth control they are sexist buy embrace politicians who RAPE, MURDER, USE & ABUSE women, think Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Wiener, Spitzer, Filner & so many others.
      Crawl back to the KOS, brain dead troll, where your drivel is appreciated.

    • OldNorthState

      Do I detect “anger” in your uppercase tonality?
      Apparently, you’ve opened your own mind to the point where your brain has fallen out.

    • OldNorthState

      Do I detect “anger” in your uppercase tonality?
      Apparently, you’ve opened your own mind to the point where your brain has fallen out.

    • OldNorthState

      Do I detect “anger” in your uppercase tonality?
      Apparently, you’ve opened your own mind to the point where your brain has fallen out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SandiandBill Sandra Brantley Williams

    our hard-earned tax dollars paying for rubbish…we need to know beforehand about these events sponsored by the mentally ill…we will be protesting…we are sick of this Sodom and Gomorrah mentality…and mad as h3ll that taxes pay for it…

  • http://www.facebook.com/SandiandBill Sandra Brantley Williams

    our hard-earned tax dollars paying for rubbish…we need to know beforehand about these events sponsored by the mentally ill…we will be protesting…we are sick of this Sodom and Gomorrah mentality…and mad as h3ll that taxes pay for it…

  • Donna E Turner

    For regarding not wisdom, they did not only slip in this, that they were ignorant of good things, but they left also unto men a memorial of their folly, so that in the things in which they sinned, they could not so much as lie hid. Wisdom 10:8

  • Dominic De Falco

    The biggest embarrassment to Education is Liberals and/or Democrats in any way, shape or form!

    • petsnpeopletoo

      I wouldn’t put dems in a catagory with Libs because Dems that are normal dems don’t think like these things do. I think because of Obama’s antics the democratic side has really taken a beating for going along with his ideals. However if you noticed the republican’s are on board with his socialist way of life also. This problem goes too deep in both parties and we must clean the white house out completely and start over. First we MUST get to the corporations that are controlling our government. Start by IMPEACHING OBOMBER…Then fire all the congress, senators, etc. Next go after Nestle for wanting to take our water rights due to them thinking We the People don’t have any rights to it. Since when does a corporation have the right to our water and to say if we live or die…..If you can’t afford to buy it from them, well, I guess you must die then…This is all a bunch of bullshit and WE THE PEOPLE have to put a stop to it or our representatives are going to go along with whatever the CEO (Obama) of the muslim Brotherhood wants. I would never send my kid to college in this day & age. Why send them just to learn to be dumber? These past 10 years in the USA have been a nightmare and we need to WAKEUP AMERICA & the WORLD….Even Egypt is smarter than We. At least they saw the light and got rid of Obomber’s buddy……

      • petsnpeopletoo

        Oh one more thing before you say anything…I am not a democrat nor am I a republican nor an independent….I have voted three ways throughout my life based on the individual and NOT the party….I am now considering myself as a constitutionalist.

        • ConservativeSenior

          Good for you. Me too.

        • ConservativeSenior

          Good for you. Me too.

        • ConservativeSenior

          Good for you. Me too.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1846636145 Mike Hobgood

          I hear ya……yet I have always voted conservative, and most of the candidates don’t get elected…..what a shame. The only Democrat that would ever consider to have voted for would have been JFK, but unfortuanately, he was before my time…..

      • petsnpeopletoo

        Oh one more thing before you say anything…I am not a democrat nor am I a republican nor an independent….I have voted three ways throughout my life based on the individual and NOT the party….I am now considering myself as a constitutionalist.

      • Dominic De Falco

        You are correct. I need to work on those blanket terms of specific groups!
        Nice post and right on mark although I think and feel that it is too late for America! Right is wrong and wrong is right. The majority of people are no longer paying attention to America and it is going to hit them like they walked out in front of a speeding bus!

      • Dominic De Falco

        You are correct. I need to work on those blanket terms of specific groups!
        Nice post and right on mark although I think and feel that it is too late for America! Right is wrong and wrong is right. The majority of people are no longer paying attention to America and it is going to hit them like they walked out in front of a speeding bus!

      • Dominic De Falco

        You are correct. I need to work on those blanket terms of specific groups!
        Nice post and right on mark although I think and feel that it is too late for America! Right is wrong and wrong is right. The majority of people are no longer paying attention to America and it is going to hit them like they walked out in front of a speeding bus!

      • kenhowes

        These days the “normal Dems” don’t believe as the crazy liberals do. But they vote lock-step with them. All the Democratic Party leadership has to do is say, “Republicans are for the RICH BUSINESSMEN. Democrats are for the LITTLE GUY,” and the “normal Dems” come right out and vote for whatever nut case leftie is running with a D after his name.
        Think about this. For over 30 years, Barney Frank was elected and re-elected from a district in Massachusetts that, except for a few lefties in Brookline and Newton, was mostly made up of what you call “normal dems”. There probably weren’t more than a third of the voters in that district that really agreed with Barney about much of anything. But once Barney said, “I’m for the little guy against the rich businessmen,” they came right out and voted for him again and again. In a district that was more than two thirds Catholic and more than two thirds conservative, Frank, a left-wing Jew, after the 1980 redistricting, beat a Catholic, pro-life Republican (Margaret Heckler) who had represented a good part of that district. You couldn’t even explain it by the usual ethnic explanations, because Irish Catholics voted for Frank against an Irish Catholic who’d been in Congress for 16 years.
        Until “normal dems” stop falling for that same sucker line again and again–it is nauseating to see some multimillionaire liberal Democrat (like the Kennedys or Jon Corzine in New Jersey) keep winning because “normal dems” keep voting for Democrats: “I’m for the Democrats because they’re for people like me; the Republicans are rich businessmen.” The funny thing is that the kind of Republicans that their families became Democrats to oppose generations ago–the rich patrician types–are now almost all Democrats. The old Route 2 corridor northwest of Boston–Lexington, Concord, etc.–is still wealthy, and still largely Yankee, yet it is now reliably Democratic. Even Martha Coakley, losing to Scott Brown, carried what was once the heart of the Republican Party in Massachusetts.
        I moved from Massachusetts to Illinois, and it’s the same thing here. Lockstep Democrats hate everything Governor Quinn, and Blagojevich before him, have done for the last eleven years–but they still run out on election day and vote for them. Why? Because the Democrats are “for the little guy” and Republicans “are for the rich businessman.”

        • Phishhed444

          I grew up in the North Shore,and barely miss the place. And WHY all the Ted support back in the day? Talk about a loser…

        • petsnpeopletoo

          This is so true…..

        • petsnpeopletoo

          This is so true…..

      • Phishhed444

        I dont even think Stanley Steemer can clean all the burrs and afro sheen outta our once great people’s house?!!? Better burn it like an old flag?!

        • petsnpeopletoo

          lmao…
          I haven’t even given that a thought…..With Obama we won’t have to burn it because he is going to start a nuclear war and boom gone!

        • petsnpeopletoo

          lmao…
          I haven’t even given that a thought…..With Obama we won’t have to burn it because he is going to start a nuclear war and boom gone!

        • petsnpeopletoo

          lmao…
          I haven’t even given that a thought…..With Obama we won’t have to burn it because he is going to start a nuclear war and boom gone!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1846636145 Mike Hobgood

          Should we have the British do it a second time…..they scortched it pretty good the first time……this time with flamethrowers……

      • Phishhed444

        I dont even think Stanley Steemer can clean all the burrs and afro sheen outta our once great people’s house?!!? Better burn it like an old flag?!

      • Andrewpalandrew

        Dem = Liberal = Socialist = Communist.

    • petsnpeopletoo

      I wouldn’t put dems in a catagory with Libs because Dems that are normal dems don’t think like these things do. I think because of Obama’s antics the democratic side has really taken a beating for going along with his ideals. However if you noticed the republican’s are on board with his socialist way of life also. This problem goes too deep in both parties and we must clean the white house out completely and start over. First we MUST get to the corporations that are controlling our government. Start by IMPEACHING OBOMBER…Then fire all the congress, senators, etc. Next go after Nestle for wanting to take our water rights due to them thinking We the People don’t have any rights to it. Since when does a corporation have the right to our water and to say if we live or die…..If you can’t afford to buy it from them, well, I guess you must die then…This is all a bunch of bullshit and WE THE PEOPLE have to put a stop to it or our representatives are going to go along with whatever the CEO (Obama) of the muslim Brotherhood wants. I would never send my kid to college in this day & age. Why send them just to learn to be dumber? These past 10 years in the USA have been a nightmare and we need to WAKEUP AMERICA & the WORLD….Even Egypt is smarter than We. At least they saw the light and got rid of Obomber’s buddy……

    • petsnpeopletoo

      I wouldn’t put dems in a catagory with Libs because Dems that are normal dems don’t think like these things do. I think because of Obama’s antics the democratic side has really taken a beating for going along with his ideals. However if you noticed the republican’s are on board with his socialist way of life also. This problem goes too deep in both parties and we must clean the white house out completely and start over. First we MUST get to the corporations that are controlling our government. Start by IMPEACHING OBOMBER…Then fire all the congress, senators, etc. Next go after Nestle for wanting to take our water rights due to them thinking We the People don’t have any rights to it. Since when does a corporation have the right to our water and to say if we live or die…..If you can’t afford to buy it from them, well, I guess you must die then…This is all a bunch of bullshit and WE THE PEOPLE have to put a stop to it or our representatives are going to go along with whatever the CEO (Obama) of the muslim Brotherhood wants. I would never send my kid to college in this day & age. Why send them just to learn to be dumber? These past 10 years in the USA have been a nightmare and we need to WAKEUP AMERICA & the WORLD….Even Egypt is smarter than We. At least they saw the light and got rid of Obomber’s buddy……

  • Dominic De Falco

    The biggest embarrassment to Education is Liberals and/or Democrats in any way, shape or form!

  • Dominic De Falco

    The biggest embarrassment to Education is Liberals and/or Democrats in any way, shape or form!

  • Robin H

    Sadly, Ed will probably still pick #10.

    • TexasJester

      And not see anything wrong with the other nine..

    • TexasJester

      And not see anything wrong with the other nine..

    • TexasJester

      And not see anything wrong with the other nine..

  • Robin H

    Sadly, Ed will probably still pick #10.

  • Robin H

    Sadly, Ed will probably still pick #10.

  • JimmyMac6778

    It’s a good bet that Ed popped wood on # 3.

    • concern00

      Sorry I can’t remember, was that the dog one?

      • marshwill

        No, it’s the burning sparkler up the butt one.

      • marshwill

        No, it’s the burning sparkler up the butt one.

      • marshwill

        No, it’s the burning sparkler up the butt one.

    • concern00

      Sorry I can’t remember, was that the dog one?

  • JimmyMac6778

    It’s a good bet that Ed popped wood on # 3.

  • Jack Peterson

    Lawyered.

  • Jack Peterson

    Lawyered.

  • Harry Afferman

    Nice post. Well written and funny. Still, the government shouldn’t intervene in the legalities of marriage for religious purposes. If a church doesn’t want to marry gays then let them not marry gays. The government should have nothing to do with it.

    • garysvent

      They don’t care about that. It’s the church that they are after. It’s Christianity that they want to pull down, not marriage; marriage is just the vehicle.

  • Edward

    So much for having “…no tolerance for comments containing violence, racism, vulgarity, profanity, all caps, or discourteous behavior.” Those words ring embarrassingly hollow, as one reads some of the posts that remain here.

    While it may be comforting for one to have supporters for his commentaries, where they come at the cost of violating his own stated standards, those supporters are empty comfort.

    I take no position on what you’ve written but integrity is important; you may want to either change these stated policies or police the comments better.

  • Edward

    So much for having “…no tolerance for comments containing violence, racism, vulgarity, profanity, all caps, or discourteous behavior.” Those words ring embarrassingly hollow, as one reads some of the posts that remain here.

    While it may be comforting for one to have supporters for his commentaries, where they come at the cost of violating his own stated standards, those supporters are empty comfort.

    I take no position on what you’ve written but integrity is important; you may want to either change these stated policies or police the comments better.

    • Croco Dile

      Better change policies because we need to hear the voice of Janet. A voice out of darkness…..

    • Croco Dile

      Better change policies because we need to hear the voice of Janet. A voice out of darkness…..

    • Don’t Even Try It!

      Are you “…THE EDWARD” to which much has been written? HAHAHA
      Have a nice day, Eddie

      • Edward

        Actually, no. I do not know the Edward of the article. I’m sorry for you that the fruit in this situation doesn’t hang so low that you can reach it; clearly that’s your forte.

        But thank you for posting as, your avatar alone makes my point clearly, for as long as your post remains here. It is at once violent, racist, vulgar, profane, and representative of discourteous behavior, each of which has been cited as supposedly intolerable on this site.

        It just goes to show the author: “if you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas.” No matter how he tries to slice it, he has violated his own stated policies and thereby his own integrity.

      • Edward

        Actually, no. I do not know the Edward of the article. I’m sorry for you that the fruit in this situation doesn’t hang so low that you can reach it; clearly that’s your forte.

        But thank you for posting as, your avatar alone makes my point clearly, for as long as your post remains here. It is at once violent, racist, vulgar, profane, and representative of discourteous behavior, each of which has been cited as supposedly intolerable on this site.

        It just goes to show the author: “if you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas.” No matter how he tries to slice it, he has violated his own stated policies and thereby his own integrity.

      • Edward

        Actually, no. I do not know the Edward of the article. I’m sorry for you that the fruit in this situation doesn’t hang so low that you can reach it; clearly that’s your forte.

        But thank you for posting as, your avatar alone makes my point clearly, for as long as your post remains here. It is at once violent, racist, vulgar, profane, and representative of discourteous behavior, each of which has been cited as supposedly intolerable on this site.

        It just goes to show the author: “if you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas.” No matter how he tries to slice it, he has violated his own stated policies and thereby his own integrity.

    • larrygrant876

      Who is this? I’m guessing Chris the rino Christy or Mike the control freak Bloomberg.

    • larrygrant876

      Who is this? I’m guessing Chris the rino Christy or Mike the control freak Bloomberg.

    • larrygrant876

      Who is this? I’m guessing Chris the rino Christy or Mike the control freak Bloomberg.

  • Edward

    So much for having “…no tolerance for comments containing violence, racism, vulgarity, profanity, all caps, or discourteous behavior.” Those words ring embarrassingly hollow, as one reads some of the posts that remain here.

    While it may be comforting for one to have supporters for his commentaries, where they come at the cost of violating his own stated standards, those supporters are empty comfort.

    I take no position on what you’ve written but integrity is important; you may want to either change these stated policies or police the comments better.

  • Al Chemist

    The sad part of this is that there are a lot of people (like Janet below) who think 10 (Mike Adams) is the nutty one.

  • Darius the Mede

    Well, so much for higher education in North Carolina–not the professor, but the moron named Edward to whom he wrote. This kid is lost, and the whole situation was embarrassing. I’ll bet that Edeward didn’t even use correct grammar in his letter to the professor. I sincerely hope that this “Edward” is not being subsidized by state and/or federal funding in his quest for (Un)education.

    • No Name

      Of course he is. He is also “told” what to write, what to denounce, what to believe, what to support, when to eat, when to breathe, when to exhale, when to defecate, where to defecate, when to cleanse, how to cleanse, well, you catch my drift. By the bye, this applies “TO JANET ALSO!”.

    • No Name

      Of course he is. He is also “told” what to write, what to denounce, what to believe, what to support, when to eat, when to breathe, when to exhale, when to defecate, where to defecate, when to cleanse, how to cleanse, well, you catch my drift. By the bye, this applies “TO JANET ALSO!”.

  • Darius the Mede

    Well, so much for higher education in North Carolina–not the professor, but the moron named Edward to whom he wrote. This kid is lost, and the whole situation was embarrassing. I’ll bet that Edeward didn’t even use correct grammar in his letter to the professor. I sincerely hope that this “Edward” is not being subsidized by state and/or federal funding in his quest for (Un)education.

  • Darius the Mede

    Well, so much for higher education in North Carolina–not the professor, but the moron named Edward to whom he wrote. This kid is lost, and the whole situation was embarrassing. I’ll bet that Edeward didn’t even use correct grammar in his letter to the professor. I sincerely hope that this “Edward” is not being subsidized by state and/or federal funding in his quest for (Un)education.

  • kathycasey

    I am beginning to think that the last thing a parent would want is for their child to go to college.

    • larrygrant876

      Well Kathy I think you are right because considering all the damage to the economy done by Obama it is a gamble when one chooses a degree as to whether it will have any value in obtaining a job in that field, and the other is that if you have a self sufficiency, work hard conservative view of the world it will be downplayed to your child until he feels your views are no longer valid. He will leave University with superior and enlightened views that will make him popular when drinking and smoking pot with other enlightened folks and he will have made the transition from what you taught him to a complete liberal idiot who is stupid and most likely unemployed with massive debt. And like I said what would you pick for a degree that Obama has not destroyed or will destroy as a result of liberal policy’s, not even the medical profession will survive these idiots.

    • larrygrant876

      Well Kathy I think you are right because considering all the damage to the economy done by Obama it is a gamble when one chooses a degree as to whether it will have any value in obtaining a job in that field, and the other is that if you have a self sufficiency, work hard conservative view of the world it will be downplayed to your child until he feels your views are no longer valid. He will leave University with superior and enlightened views that will make him popular when drinking and smoking pot with other enlightened folks and he will have made the transition from what you taught him to a complete liberal idiot who is stupid and most likely unemployed with massive debt. And like I said what would you pick for a degree that Obama has not destroyed or will destroy as a result of liberal policy’s, not even the medical profession will survive these idiots.

    • NonXNonExX

      You could always send them to Anal, i mean, Oral Roberts University.

    • NonXNonExX

      You could always send them to Anal, i mean, Oral Roberts University.

    • NonXNonExX

      You could always send them to Anal, i mean, Oral Roberts University.

    • LadyforLiberty

      Do what I did. My kids were brought up with the concept of FREEDOM!
      Freedom of choice is the key.
      You make a decision.You find It is wrong ! YOUR responsibility.
      You choose a job. It doesn`t turn out? YOUR CHOICE, YOUR responsibility.
      You decide to VOTE! You choose a black guy who was a Community Organiser…. From Illinois!!! Your choice…Your Responsibility.
      2014??? Your Choice… your responsibility.
      2016??? Two terms of Democrats who lied got marines killed, snooped on the world, ruined education, encouraged Islamic terrorists but denied Democracy.
      For the last time…repeat after me….Your CHOICE….Your RESPONSIBILITY!!!
      Just in case, stock up on ammo and check your firearms in working order.
      YOUR CHOICE will effect whether you will need them or not!!
      Bless you all and have a good day!!

    • LadyforLiberty

      Do what I did. My kids were brought up with the concept of FREEDOM!
      Freedom of choice is the key.
      You make a decision.You find It is wrong ! YOUR responsibility.
      You choose a job. It doesn`t turn out? YOUR CHOICE, YOUR responsibility.
      You decide to VOTE! You choose a black guy who was a Community Organiser…. From Illinois!!! Your choice…Your Responsibility.
      2014??? Your Choice… your responsibility.
      2016??? Two terms of Democrats who lied got marines killed, snooped on the world, ruined education, encouraged Islamic terrorists but denied Democracy.
      For the last time…repeat after me….Your CHOICE….Your RESPONSIBILITY!!!
      Just in case, stock up on ammo and check your firearms in working order.
      YOUR CHOICE will effect whether you will need them or not!!
      Bless you all and have a good day!!

    • LadyforLiberty

      Do what I did. My kids were brought up with the concept of FREEDOM!
      Freedom of choice is the key.
      You make a decision.You find It is wrong ! YOUR responsibility.
      You choose a job. It doesn`t turn out? YOUR CHOICE, YOUR responsibility.
      You decide to VOTE! You choose a black guy who was a Community Organiser…. From Illinois!!! Your choice…Your Responsibility.
      2014??? Your Choice… your responsibility.
      2016??? Two terms of Democrats who lied got marines killed, snooped on the world, ruined education, encouraged Islamic terrorists but denied Democracy.
      For the last time…repeat after me….Your CHOICE….Your RESPONSIBILITY!!!
      Just in case, stock up on ammo and check your firearms in working order.
      YOUR CHOICE will effect whether you will need them or not!!
      Bless you all and have a good day!!

  • kathycasey

    I am beginning to think that the last thing a parent would want is for their child to go to college.

  • kathycasey

    I am beginning to think that the last thing a parent would want is for their child to go to college.

  • MikeS

    It is heartening to see how unpopular views like those from poor Janet are. I would hope she could develop some civilized morals and ethics. She needs a life with goodness in it. I sense anger and much self serving in her.

  • MikeS

    It is heartening to see how unpopular views like those from poor Janet are. I would hope she could develop some civilized morals and ethics. She needs a life with goodness in it. I sense anger and much self serving in her.

  • MikeS

    It is heartening to see how unpopular views like those from poor Janet are. I would hope she could develop some civilized morals and ethics. She needs a life with goodness in it. I sense anger and much self serving in her.

  • kabulgeorge

    Yo, Mike, sort of makes you want to go teach in Belize or Costa Rica and leave the progressives to swill around in the cow excrement the spew from their podiums to uninformed tweeters, not to be confused with tweekers. The tweeters are paying $25K a year to have their minds poisoned in oblivion while the tweekers just get their minds poisoned a bowl at the time, totally aware of what they are doing.

  • kabulgeorge

    Yo, Mike, sort of makes you want to go teach in Belize or Costa Rica and leave the progressives to swill around in the cow excrement the spew from their podiums to uninformed tweeters, not to be confused with tweekers. The tweeters are paying $25K a year to have their minds poisoned in oblivion while the tweekers just get their minds poisoned a bowl at the time, totally aware of what they are doing.

  • kabulgeorge

    Yo, Mike, sort of makes you want to go teach in Belize or Costa Rica and leave the progressives to swill around in the cow excrement the spew from their podiums to uninformed tweeters, not to be confused with tweekers. The tweeters are paying $25K a year to have their minds poisoned in oblivion while the tweekers just get their minds poisoned a bowl at the time, totally aware of what they are doing.

  • BrooklynResident

    I can see why I never could become a college professor. As my statement of purpose in American Studies, I said that we could use this field of study to look at what made our nation great, then examine other nations and see which of our characteristics could best be adapted there, thus improving the lives of others.

    I ought to have pleadingly offered up White Guilt, and said why we were so Terrible and rapacious to the world at large.

    But then,I was never one to grovel..

    By the way, Madam Microwave sounds like a hoot!

    • garysvent

      Change two letters; it’s kook, not hoot.

  • BrooklynResident

    I can see why I never could become a college professor. As my statement of purpose in American Studies, I said that we could use this field of study to look at what made our nation great, then examine other nations and see which of our characteristics could best be adapted there, thus improving the lives of others.

    I ought to have pleadingly offered up White Guilt, and said why we were so Terrible and rapacious to the world at large.

    But then,I was never one to grovel..

    By the way, Madam Microwave sounds like a hoot!

  • BrooklynResident

    I can see why I never could become a college professor. As my statement of purpose in American Studies, I said that we could use this field of study to look at what made our nation great, then examine other nations and see which of our characteristics could best be adapted there, thus improving the lives of others.

    I ought to have pleadingly offered up White Guilt, and said why we were so Terrible and rapacious to the world at large.

    But then,I was never one to grovel..

    By the way, Madam Microwave sounds like a hoot!

  • EHeassler USN Ret.

    And I thought that NC is in the Bible Belt. It appears that the Christians have been effectively muzzled on campus. Except, of course, that radical embarrassment to hire education, Mike Adams. Keep up the good work, Mike.

  • EHeassler USN Ret.

    And I thought that NC is in the Bible Belt. It appears that the Christians have been effectively muzzled on campus. Except, of course, that radical embarrassment to hire education, Mike Adams. Keep up the good work, Mike.

  • EHeassler USN Ret.

    And I thought that NC is in the Bible Belt. It appears that the Christians have been effectively muzzled on campus. Except, of course, that radical embarrassment to hire education, Mike Adams. Keep up the good work, Mike.

  • Mo86

    I thank God for Dr. Mike. He is truly on the front lines, and being an influence where he is.

  • Azsteve53

    The institutions of higher learning have become facilities for indoctrination rather than learning.

    Many who attend universities graduate with a mortgage, a degree that is worthless in the job market, and a political ideology, progressivism, that is worse than worthless.

    • VT Patriot

      You mean like a masters in ‘womens studies’?? That one always slayed me..

      • Azsteve53

        Exactly.

        Or LGBT studies. Or several others in that category.

        • petie3

          IMHO you are not educated unless you understand logic, ethics and statistics. These are all necessary to withstand the propaganda barrage from the commies.

      • larrygrant876

        In my lifelong ‘women’s studies process I only came to a couple of conclusions, they are fascinatingly constructed and they are too complex to spend much time analyzing.

      • larrygrant876

        In my lifelong ‘women’s studies process I only came to a couple of conclusions, they are fascinatingly constructed and they are too complex to spend much time analyzing.

      • larrygrant876

        In my lifelong ‘women’s studies process I only came to a couple of conclusions, they are fascinatingly constructed and they are too complex to spend much time analyzing.

    • VT Patriot

      You mean like a masters in ‘womens studies’?? That one always slayed me..

    • VT Patriot

      You mean like a masters in ‘womens studies’?? That one always slayed me..

  • Azsteve53

    The institutions of higher learning have become facilities for indoctrination rather than learning.

    Many who attend universities graduate with a mortgage, a degree that is worthless in the job market, and a political ideology, progressivism, that is worse than worthless.

  • Azsteve53

    The institutions of higher learning have become facilities for indoctrination rather than learning.

    Many who attend universities graduate with a mortgage, a degree that is worthless in the job market, and a political ideology, progressivism, that is worse than worthless.

  • DAY8293A

    North Carolina was late leaving the union during the civil war,,,, they are just plain stupid democrat dumb butts….. just like most of the north eastern states…. they all have their heads, or something , up their butts…

    • REDRUM777

      Cranial-Rectal Inversion!

    • REDRUM777

      Cranial-Rectal Inversion!

    • Al Chemist

      NC was not on the northern side during the civil war. The state has, however, been invaded by liberals from the north…especially around the triangle area (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill) where the three main universities are.

      • DAY8293A

        You are right,, South Carolina left the union first, then later North Carolina, They were always a little late to the game,, and still are…

        • Al Chemist

          Yes, the last one to leave the union, and the last to surrender.

    • Al Chemist

      NC was not on the northern side during the civil war. The state has, however, been invaded by liberals from the north…especially around the triangle area (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill) where the three main universities are.

  • DAY8293A

    North Carolina was late leaving the union during the civil war,,,, they are just plain stupid democrat dumb butts….. just like most of the north eastern states…. they all have their heads, or something , up their butts…

  • Azsteve53

    Recently North Carolina had a vote on same sex marriage and if marriage should remain as one man and one woman.

    North Carolina voters rejected same sex marriage by a 61-39 margin despite polls that claimed same sex marriage would be approved by roughly the same margin.

    Professor Adam’s views are the majority in North Caolina

    • garysvent

      But not the majority view on his campus. Wonder how he manages to remain?

    • garysvent

      But not the majority view on his campus. Wonder how he manages to remain?

  • dean29685

    just another reason i want out of this state

    • larrygrant876

      …to go where? This insanity is country and worldwide.

      • Conservative In Libtard Austin

        Texas, as long as libtard voting and thoughts are left behind.

        • larrygrant876

          Well the libtards, like cockroaches go to places where they can feed for free and bring destruction and death with them. I watched them ruin California and Oregon

        • larrygrant876

          Well the libtards, like cockroaches go to places where they can feed for free and bring destruction and death with them. I watched them ruin California and Oregon

        • larrygrant876

          Well the libtards, like cockroaches go to places where they can feed for free and bring destruction and death with them. I watched them ruin California and Oregon

      • Conservative In Libtard Austin

        Texas, as long as libtard voting and thoughts are left behind.

    • larrygrant876

      …to go where? This insanity is country and worldwide.

    • larrygrant876

      …to go where? This insanity is country and worldwide.

    • petsnpeopletoo

      Your state don’t matter….It’s coming World Wide and WE MUST STOP them or We will be Living(maybe) Under their New World Order which of course consists of genocide to anyone NOT in the elite .01%…..To see some of the government/elite’s plans just go check out the New World Denver Airport. The murals on the walls show what is going to happen right under the noses of people and they don’t even pay attention. They just go about their business instead of questioning or getting to the bottom of it. Hell they have built a city for the elite under the airport also. Of course with our money for their own benefits…..I wish people would not send in tax money to these theives….

    • petsnpeopletoo

      Your state don’t matter….It’s coming World Wide and WE MUST STOP them or We will be Living(maybe) Under their New World Order which of course consists of genocide to anyone NOT in the elite .01%…..To see some of the government/elite’s plans just go check out the New World Denver Airport. The murals on the walls show what is going to happen right under the noses of people and they don’t even pay attention. They just go about their business instead of questioning or getting to the bottom of it. Hell they have built a city for the elite under the airport also. Of course with our money for their own benefits…..I wish people would not send in tax money to these theives….

    • snowmaggedoned

      Don’t go to Maryland….it is a cesspool here!

  • larrygrant876

    …as in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. I remember being taught that Sodom and Gomorrah were pretty bad but honestly, I can’t help but believe that we may have surpassed them by far. Oh yeah, don’t forget that liberalism is a mental illness.

  • larrygrant876

    …as in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. I remember being taught that Sodom and Gomorrah were pretty bad but honestly, I can’t help but believe that we may have surpassed them by far. Oh yeah, don’t forget that liberalism is a mental illness.

  • larrygrant876

    …as in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. I remember being taught that Sodom and Gomorrah were pretty bad but honestly, I can’t help but believe that we may have surpassed them by far. Oh yeah, don’t forget that liberalism is a mental illness.

  • [email protected]

    OMG….Mr Adams, that was an awesome comeback to that creep !!!! Although I know it is not funny, I couldn’t help but lmaoooooooooo, while reading it. Kudos to you for a great commentary !!!!

  • rodstew

    Has anyone ever asked these “feminists” where they would be were it not for their male FATHERS?

  • rodstew

    Has anyone ever asked these “feminists” where they would be were it not for their male FATHERS?

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    These examples would be very hard to believe, if I had not been following Mike Adams’ articles over the years!
    And, note to Ed: Marriage is between a man and a woman, and any conceived offspring should have their right-to-be born protected!
    Sounds as though too many derelicts are teaching our children!

  • Al

    Sorry folks but this is not just North Carolina. People no longer go to college to get an education, they get indoctrinated. Just listen to Dennis Prager on the topic, he has wisdom besides a college education.
    Face it our entire educational system in this country is screwed. From elementary to collegiate. It needs to be torn down and built to teach people to become viable hard working contributors to the greater good. Not how to appreciate their orgasms.

    • larrygrant876

      http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm start at number 17 to see what happened to our educational system. This document comes from Jan. 1963

      • Apolloone

        Thanks for the link Larry. I knew many of their plots to get control of this country one big feather in their hat was when Jimmy Marxist Carter gave us the Department of so-called Education.

      • Apolloone

        Thanks for the link Larry. I knew many of their plots to get control of this country one big feather in their hat was when Jimmy Marxist Carter gave us the Department of so-called Education.

  • http://twistedmuser.com/ Twisted Muser

    I wonder if he will get a response. Probably not.

  • http://twistedmuser.com/ Twisted Muser

    I wonder if he will get a response. Probably not.

  • http://twistedmuser.com/ Twisted Muser

    I wonder if he will get a response. Probably not.

  • OldNorthState

    The “Old North State’s” University of North Carolina system (comprised of 16 colleges plus a special math and science school for gifted high school upperclassmen) hasn’t escaped the invasion of liberals/progressives/leftwing revolutionaries found in academia, nationwide. The cities of Chapel Hill and Asheville, as good examples – and both having UNC affiliate campuses located therein – are hotbeds of liberalist culture and politics. Even the typically more conservative and venerable “tech” school of high repute, NC State University (Raleigh), was mentioned in David Horowitz’ list of “101 Most Dangerous Academics” with the inclusion of one of its professors, Gregory Dawes (a self-described democratic socialist specializing in “Latin American literature studies”…). Duke University, though technically not a part of the “UNC” system, made the Horowitz list via inclusion of two of its professors, Miriam Cooke and Frederic Jameson.
    Dr. Adams does not exaggerate in his examples of aberrance within our state’s higher education system… and I suspect it is representative of our nation’s system as a whole, today.

  • OldNorthState

    The “Old North State’s” University of North Carolina system (comprised of 16 colleges plus a special math and science school for gifted high school upperclassmen) hasn’t escaped the invasion of liberals/progressives/leftwing revolutionaries found in academia, nationwide. The cities of Chapel Hill and Asheville, as good examples – and both having UNC affiliate campuses located therein – are hotbeds of liberalist culture and politics. Even the typically more conservative and venerable “tech” school of high repute, NC State University (Raleigh), was mentioned in David Horowitz’ list of “101 Most Dangerous Academics” with the inclusion of one of its professors, Gregory Dawes (a self-described democratic socialist specializing in “Latin American literature studies”…). Duke University, though technically not a part of the “UNC” system, made the Horowitz list via inclusion of two of its professors, Miriam Cooke and Frederic Jameson.
    Dr. Adams does not exaggerate in his examples of aberrance within our state’s higher education system… and I suspect it is representative of our nation’s system as a whole, today.

    • Madfoxx

      Thank you for exposing these cancerous liberals.

    • Madfoxx

      Thank you for exposing these cancerous liberals.

    • Madfoxx

      Thank you for exposing these cancerous liberals.

    • Al Chemist

      Excellent post. I remember my father saying (in the late 50′s or early 60′s) that: “There’s nothing in that town (Chapel Hill) except a bunch of (bleep) commies.” I didn’t know then how right he was.

    • Al Chemist

      Excellent post. I remember my father saying (in the late 50′s or early 60′s) that: “There’s nothing in that town (Chapel Hill) except a bunch of (bleep) commies.” I didn’t know then how right he was.

    • garysvent

      ” … Gregory Dawes (a self-described democratic socialist specializing in “Latin American literature studies”..”

      Now there’s an easy course of study … right up there with ‘Interpretive Tic-Tac-Toe’ and ‘Underwater Marxist Basket-Weaving’.

      How do you turn 5 books into a career?

    • garysvent

      ” … Gregory Dawes (a self-described democratic socialist specializing in “Latin American literature studies”..”

      Now there’s an easy course of study … right up there with ‘Interpretive Tic-Tac-Toe’ and ‘Underwater Marxist Basket-Weaving’.

      How do you turn 5 books into a career?

    • petie3

      Bazerkeley and Austin Tx come to mind.

    • kenhowes

      OMG. Dawes? This guy’s probably a relative of mine! The Dawes family of William Dawes who rode on the Midnight Ride, Charles Dawes, a captain of the Massachusetts militia at Concord, and Charles Dawes, Coolidge’s vice president.

      • OldNorthState

        Yes… “OMG!”… I’ve besmirched the Dawes family name by contributing this bit of trivia, no doubt… but it was not with malice! No doubt the Dawes patriots are rolling over in their graves, now, in realizing they’ve been embarrassed in even this minuscule way!

        Please… consider calling “suicide hotline” before doing anything really drastic, there. (good post… thanks…)

    • Phishhed444

      Wow…my daughter went to NCSSM. A good experience (there).

    • Phishhed444

      Wow…my daughter went to NCSSM. A good experience (there).

    • Phishhed444

      Wow…my daughter went to NCSSM. A good experience (there).

      • OldNorthState

        My comments about that one professor, there, were not a commentary against “State” as a whole. I’m a Wolfpack’er; almost my entire immediate family (plus some) either went to State, and/or was on faculty at State. My closest buddies are State folks…. and my ladyfriend’s son and daughter-in-law are State grads. Your daughter was/is in good company, and you’re no doubt proud of her, as you should be. My post was designed to demonstrate how even great schools like NCSU are home to some educators considered perhaps antithetical to the norm of historically American ideals, now.

        • Phishhed444

          I was referring to the H.S. “Preparatory” school…North Carolina School of Science and Math, or NCSSM. It was a great experience for her, although the University “system” is full of prog’s and libturds who think they’re enlightened etc. I wish she could go back to the school systems as they were 30-40 years ago…

        • Phishhed444

          I was referring to the H.S. “Preparatory” school…North Carolina School of Science and Math, or NCSSM. It was a great experience for her, although the University “system” is full of prog’s and libturds who think they’re enlightened etc. I wish she could go back to the school systems as they were 30-40 years ago…

          • OldNorthState

            I’m with you, now… I didn’t catch the acronym, initially. Yes, I imagine that was a great experience for a her, particularly as a high school student. Very impressive, indeed. And you’re right about the system of “30-40 years ago”… and it’s interesting you mention this, as I was discussing this same thing, at least in part, face-to-face with someone earlier today. Our conclusions included the fact that the High Schools, too, are apparently very different than when we were there (40+ years ago). Truly a thing to lament…

        • Phishhed444

          I was referring to the H.S. “Preparatory” school…North Carolina School of Science and Math, or NCSSM. It was a great experience for her, although the University “system” is full of prog’s and libturds who think they’re enlightened etc. I wish she could go back to the school systems as they were 30-40 years ago…

      • OldNorthState

        My comments about that one professor, there, were not a commentary against “State” as a whole. I’m a Wolfpack’er; almost my entire immediate family (plus some) either went to State, and/or was on faculty at State. My closest buddies are State folks…. and my ladyfriend’s son and daughter-in-law are State grads. Your daughter was/is in good company, and you’re no doubt proud of her, as you should be. My post was designed to demonstrate how even great schools like NCSU are home to some educators considered perhaps antithetical to the norm of historically American ideals, now.

  • OldNorthState

    The “Old North State’s” University of North Carolina system (comprised of 16 colleges plus a special math and science school for gifted high school upperclassmen) hasn’t escaped the invasion of liberals/progressives/leftwing revolutionaries found in academia, nationwide. The cities of Chapel Hill and Asheville, as good examples – and both having UNC affiliate campuses located therein – are hotbeds of liberalist culture and politics. Even the typically more conservative and venerable “tech” school of high repute, NC State University (Raleigh), was mentioned in David Horowitz’ list of “101 Most Dangerous Academics” with the inclusion of one of its professors, Gregory Dawes (a self-described democratic socialist specializing in “Latin American literature studies”…). Duke University, though technically not a part of the “UNC” system, made the Horowitz list via inclusion of two of its professors, Miriam Cooke and Frederic Jameson.
    Dr. Adams does not exaggerate in his examples of aberrance within our state’s higher education system… and I suspect it is representative of our nation’s system as a whole, today.

  • DAY8293A

    When we passed the 17th amendment taking away states rights to appoint senators, and allowing the masses of the axxes to vote for senators, we started down the road to extinction…. Our forefathers had the insight to keep the masses from electing all of congress to keep them from voting for someone to rob the treasury,, and it also allowed someone with intelligence to approve the supreme court judges,, now we have the idiots electing idiot liberal senators approving idiot liberal supreme court judges… we are doomed,,,,

    • garysvent

      In these perilous years, the legislatures in the states wouldn’t do any better job of appointing Senators than the people do — after all, state legislators too are interested in the lifelong ease of a political ‘job’ — like Federal moochers — and appointing giveaways makes their ‘jobs’ much easier and more likely to continue unto retirement.

    • snowmaggedoned

      I have no doubt that was part of the Marxist Woodrow Wilson’s agenda all along.

    • snowmaggedoned

      I have no doubt that was part of the Marxist Woodrow Wilson’s agenda all along.

  • jdbixii

    It is readily obvious that the burden of proof lies with Edward who apparently sees marriage as an “helpmate” relationship rather than the more traditional sperm-and-egg bearer relationship. Had marriage been a simple, helpmeet-relationship, it would have endured the temptation of the Garden of Eden and that is all there would be in a paradisic world. As it was, is and evermore shall be, the essential meaning of generations, promulgated by male-female reproduction, is responsible for every person who ever lived, or will live, to make a choice, except Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ, about whom the importance of choice comprises perspective. Freedom, to one is the right to choose, to another, a mindset dictating the morality and ethics of choice.

  • Madfoxx

    This kind of stuff is going on all over. Now don’t you feel good about sending your kids off to college so they can be indoctrinated into this garbage. Not every kid has to have a college degree. There are great jobs in technical fields such as aircraft mechanics, oilfield jobs and manufacturing automation. These jobs pay well and you get to works with your hands not just your brain.

  • Madfoxx

    This kind of stuff is going on all over. Now don’t you feel good about sending your kids off to college so they can be indoctrinated into this garbage. Not every kid has to have a college degree. There are great jobs in technical fields such as aircraft mechanics, oilfield jobs and manufacturing automation. These jobs pay well and you get to works with your hands not just your brain.

  • Buyerbwear

    Awesome piece.

  • Buyerbwear

    Awesome piece.

  • Buyerbwear

    Awesome piece.

  • Conservative In Libtard Austin

    North Carolina has got some sick twisted universities. “Higer Learning”, what a joke.

  • Conservative In Libtard Austin

    North Carolina has got some sick twisted universities. “Higer Learning”, what a joke.

  • Conservative In Libtard Austin

    North Carolina has got some sick twisted universities. “Higer Learning”, what a joke.

  • Harry Jismsm

    So, come on people, if you think about it seriously, you will realize that the only solution to many of these problems is secularization of several/many states. Adopt and expand the current Constitution with the inclusion of an Article outlawing any form of communism, socialism, and liberalism. Of course I am only dreaming, but I really like dreaming dreams like this. There are so many problems created by liberals that could be addressed to make a “real” United States of America viable.

    • garysvent

      Maybe the only solution to the “United States” citizens is for the patriotic states to become un-United to the Federal tangle.

  • Harry Jismsm

    So, come on people, if you think about it seriously, you will realize that the only solution to many of these problems is secularization of several/many states. Adopt and expand the current Constitution with the inclusion of an Article outlawing any form of communism, socialism, and liberalism. Of course I am only dreaming, but I really like dreaming dreams like this. There are so many problems created by liberals that could be addressed to make a “real” United States of America viable.

  • mackadoo

    The problem is not these whacked out “professors”. The problem is the parents who continue to fund these shenanigans by paying the ever escalating ridiculous fees to these “higher education” indoctrination centers.

  • mackadoo

    The problem is not these whacked out “professors”. The problem is the parents who continue to fund these shenanigans by paying the ever escalating ridiculous fees to these “higher education” indoctrination centers.

  • Builders4The2ndAmendment.com

    Comment to #5 in the list,
    One of our staff was reminded about a story a doctor friend related while attending a patient in an emergency room that apparently had a mechanical device stuck up his rectum. The bewildered doctor upon reflection asked the patient “Well what do you want me to do? remove the device or just change the battery!

  • SunniD

    I love you Mike ! You are the lone voice of sanity in a sea of madness. My daughter and son-in-law teach in the NC public school system. I asked my daughter if she had considered teaching at a private school . She and her husband immediately told me the problem was the Republicans diverting money to charter schools in NC. They were livid that every child was not forced to be indoctrinated in the public school system. Keep doing what you do Mike, thank you.

  • SunniD

    I love you Mike ! You are the lone voice of sanity in a sea of madness. My daughter and son-in-law teach in the NC public school system. I asked my daughter if she had considered teaching at a private school . She and her husband immediately told me the problem was the Republicans diverting money to charter schools in NC. They were livid that every child was not forced to be indoctrinated in the public school system. Keep doing what you do Mike, thank you.

  • pysco

    Liberal Democrats every one of them………

  • pysco

    Liberal Democrats every one of them………

  • pysco

    Liberal Democrats every one of them………

  • kenhowes

    My question is–how did the people of the state of North Carolina, a pretty conservative state, tolerate these things? OK–they can’t do anything about Duke, a private university. But the professors at UNC at least theoretically work for the people. There should have been mass firings at that place years ago. Clear the place out, hire people who actually care about academics and not so much about perverted sex, and run a real university.

    • Alabamao68

      Until four year ago, solid Democratic legislatures for a hundred years, self satisfied and corrupt (quite a few in prison,now). University administrations were pretty much left alone, which was good with good administrators (like the late Bill Friday), not so good with some smug academics like the just replaced chancellor of the Chapel Hill campus who let the athletic department run the school’s academic reputation into ruin, while stuck in denial as scandal after scandal erupted in the news.

      The new Republican governor/legislature are making a lot of hard economic decisions brought on by years of Demo neglect, and the libs are howling and demonstrating every Monday at the legislature (thankfully, just adjourned – I work across the street), in the thousands.

      I’m a state employee, and like the rest have had only three raises in the last thirteen years, but I see the numbers and understand the difficult times the state is going though. The test will come when the economic situation eases and we see if the Gov and legislature then respond with, hopefully sensible, increases in education budgets and needed spending.

    • Alabamao68

      Until four year ago, solid Democratic legislatures for a hundred years, self satisfied and corrupt (quite a few in prison,now). University administrations were pretty much left alone, which was good with good administrators (like the late Bill Friday), not so good with some smug academics like the just replaced chancellor of the Chapel Hill campus who let the athletic department run the school’s academic reputation into ruin, while stuck in denial as scandal after scandal erupted in the news.

      The new Republican governor/legislature are making a lot of hard economic decisions brought on by years of Demo neglect, and the libs are howling and demonstrating every Monday at the legislature (thankfully, just adjourned – I work across the street), in the thousands.

      I’m a state employee, and like the rest have had only three raises in the last thirteen years, but I see the numbers and understand the difficult times the state is going though. The test will come when the economic situation eases and we see if the Gov and legislature then respond with, hopefully sensible, increases in education budgets and needed spending.

    • Alabamao68

      Until four year ago, solid Democratic legislatures for a hundred years, self satisfied and corrupt (quite a few in prison,now). University administrations were pretty much left alone, which was good with good administrators (like the late Bill Friday), not so good with some smug academics like the just replaced chancellor of the Chapel Hill campus who let the athletic department run the school’s academic reputation into ruin, while stuck in denial as scandal after scandal erupted in the news.

      The new Republican governor/legislature are making a lot of hard economic decisions brought on by years of Demo neglect, and the libs are howling and demonstrating every Monday at the legislature (thankfully, just adjourned – I work across the street), in the thousands.

      I’m a state employee, and like the rest have had only three raises in the last thirteen years, but I see the numbers and understand the difficult times the state is going though. The test will come when the economic situation eases and we see if the Gov and legislature then respond with, hopefully sensible, increases in education budgets and needed spending.

  • kenhowes

    My question is–how did the people of the state of North Carolina, a pretty conservative state, tolerate these things? OK–they can’t do anything about Duke, a private university. But the professors at UNC at least theoretically work for the people. There should have been mass firings at that place years ago. Clear the place out, hire people who actually care about academics and not so much about perverted sex, and run a real university.

  • txlady706

    Alumna to this garbage and the parents of any under aged child going to this school, should get together and have a class action law suite for being violated and exposed to sodomy and perversion. Everyone has a right to be in a PUBLIC space without being violated or assaulted. This is NOT free speech. Free speech, as it pertains to the first amendment, is the free expression of ideas. These are not ideas. These are vulgarities and perversions. We have given leeway to be assaulted. Stand up and fight back. Don’t allow this visual RAPEs and auditory assaults to continue. This is a miscarriage of the first amendment and a perversion of it’s understanding.

  • marthaOFeyrie

    disgusting

  • marthaOFeyrie

    disgusting

  • marthaOFeyrie

    disgusting

  • kenhowes

    A question for Edward would be: Which country at any time in history called a homosexual relationship a marriage? Even countries that tolerated and to some degree approved of homosexuality didn’t call a man and a man a marriage. Most of the Roman emperors during the empire’s pagan era were bisexual; a few were outright homosexual (notably Hadrian, and probably Antoninus Pius). Wealthy Romans commonly had catamites–male sex slaves. But only two decided they would marry their male lovers, Nero about 67 AD, and Elagabalus in the early third century. Both were deposed within a year of doing so. Greece was big into male homosexuality; but they didn’t declare the men who engaged in it married. The Canaanites and Phoenicians had homosexual temple prostitutes; but men didn’t marry men there.
    Oh. But you’d actually have to have an education to know that, as opposed to liberal indoctrination, which passes for education these days.

    • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

      But kenhowes, there is a part B question to add, of all the facts you cited “Which of THOSE Ancient Countries still remain?” A: NONE!Everything you specified shows that when man defiles God’s Commandments and Covenants, man suffers retrobution from God.

      “…..Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? the goodness of God endureth continually.
      Thy tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully.
      Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah.
      Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue.
      God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah.
      The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him:
      Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.” PSALM 52:1-7
      Ol’ confused Ed is nothing more than a dupe for Satan; Mike Adams, stand your ground, as SHOULD WE, the more silent we remain, the worse America will get.

      “None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.” ISAIAH 59:4

      Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

      • kenhowes

        Again, even those countries did not recognize “gay marriage”. But you’re right. There is no society in the world where homosexuality is now approved that approved of it a hundred years ago. Liberals would say that shows “progress”, but it speaks to the fact that those places that approved homosexuality either came to reject it or were utterly destroyed.

        • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

          A GREAT BIG AMEN!!!!!!!! “Those who fail to understand History are doomed to repeat it.” Secular words spoken that derive from the roots of Scripture; still rings true today.

          Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

        • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

          A GREAT BIG AMEN!!!!!!!! “Those who fail to understand History are doomed to repeat it.” Secular words spoken that derive from the roots of Scripture; still rings true today.

          Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

        • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

          A GREAT BIG AMEN!!!!!!!! “Those who fail to understand History are doomed to repeat it.” Secular words spoken that derive from the roots of Scripture; still rings true today.

          Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

    • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

      But kenhowes, there is a part B question to add, of all the facts you cited “Which of THOSE Ancient Countries still remain?” A: NONE!Everything you specified shows that when man defiles God’s Commandments and Covenants, man suffers retrobution from God.

      “…..Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? the goodness of God endureth continually.
      Thy tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully.
      Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah.
      Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue.
      God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah.
      The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him:
      Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.” PSALM 52:1-7
      Ol’ confused Ed is nothing more than a dupe for Satan; Mike Adams, stand your ground, as SHOULD WE, the more silent we remain, the worse America will get.

      “None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.” ISAIAH 59:4

      Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

    • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

      But kenhowes, there is a part B question to add, of all the facts you cited “Which of THOSE Ancient Countries still remain?” A: NONE!Everything you specified shows that when man defiles God’s Commandments and Covenants, man suffers retrobution from God.

      “…..Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? the goodness of God endureth continually.
      Thy tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully.
      Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah.
      Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue.
      God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah.
      The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him:
      Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.” PSALM 52:1-7
      Ol’ confused Ed is nothing more than a dupe for Satan; Mike Adams, stand your ground, as SHOULD WE, the more silent we remain, the worse America will get.

      “None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.” ISAIAH 59:4

      Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

    • petie3

      Didn’t Caligula marry his horse?

      • MyronJPoltroonian

        “A horse, of course.”

      • kenhowes

        Yes, and he was assassinated less than six months after that. Even the Romans, with a liberal view of marriage and a very open view of homosexuality, didn’t accept these abominations.

      • kenhowes

        Yes, and he was assassinated less than six months after that. Even the Romans, with a liberal view of marriage and a very open view of homosexuality, didn’t accept these abominations.

      • kenhowes

        Yes, and he was assassinated less than six months after that. Even the Romans, with a liberal view of marriage and a very open view of homosexuality, didn’t accept these abominations.

      • http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.org/index.php RickZ

        To give Incitatus his due, he had to be smarter than 99.99% of today’s Congress, including the densest element in the universe, Pelosium.

  • kenhowes

    A question for Edward would be: Which country at any time in history called a homosexual relationship a marriage? Even countries that tolerated and to some degree approved of homosexuality didn’t call a man and a man a marriage. Most of the Roman emperors during the empire’s pagan era were bisexual; a few were outright homosexual (notably Hadrian, and probably Antoninus Pius). Wealthy Romans commonly had catamites–male sex slaves. But only two decided they would marry their male lovers, Nero about 67 AD, and Elagabalus in the early third century. Both were deposed within a year of doing so. Greece was big into male homosexuality; but they didn’t declare the men who engaged in it married. The Canaanites and Phoenicians had homosexual temple prostitutes; but men didn’t marry men there.
    Oh. But you’d actually have to have an education to know that, as opposed to liberal indoctrination, which passes for education these days.

  • kenhowes

    A question for Edward would be: Which country at any time in history called a homosexual relationship a marriage? Even countries that tolerated and to some degree approved of homosexuality didn’t call a man and a man a marriage. Most of the Roman emperors during the empire’s pagan era were bisexual; a few were outright homosexual (notably Hadrian, and probably Antoninus Pius). Wealthy Romans commonly had catamites–male sex slaves. But only two decided they would marry their male lovers, Nero about 67 AD, and Elagabalus in the early third century. Both were deposed within a year of doing so. Greece was big into male homosexuality; but they didn’t declare the men who engaged in it married. The Canaanites and Phoenicians had homosexual temple prostitutes; but men didn’t marry men there.
    Oh. But you’d actually have to have an education to know that, as opposed to liberal indoctrination, which passes for education these days.

  • Sgt. York

    NC is a land of deft AH’S

  • Sgt. York

    NC is a land of deft AH’S

  • Sgt. York

    NC is a land of deft AH’S

  • Bob Martin

    Why are there even degrees in such things as Womens, Chicano, Afro American, American and General Studies in the first place? Now that’s embarrassing!

  • Tony

    God conferred 70 years of tribulation on Israel when it became corrupt a couple millennia ago. I think He’s about due to do it again… to Amerika, thanks to the sick, decadent Progressives in our society.

  • cwms2005

    Awesome reply. Of course your target audience will not be swayed, he thinks the things you mentioned are what is normal; at least for him.

  • barb patton

    It has got the stage that the lines have become blurred between right and wrong, good and evil, and we have our teachers and the Department of Education for raping our children’s minds. I am afraid very afraid of the future for the next generation.

  • barb patton

    It has got the stage that the lines have become blurred between right and wrong, good and evil, and we have our teachers and the Department of Education for raping our children’s minds. I am afraid very afraid of the future for the next generation.

  • barb patton

    It has got the stage that the lines have become blurred between right and wrong, good and evil, and we have our teachers and the Department of Education for raping our children’s minds. I am afraid very afraid of the future for the next generation.

  • AppraisHer

    Thanks to the “rounded” education now given in colleges, males are more proficient in selecting anal gels than math, and women can pinpoint every state Planned Parenthood office, but can’t locate Egypt on a map.

    College presidents, curricula writers and professors should be arrested for fraud, passing this drivel off a college education. It’s criminal that parents pay exorbitant amounts to educate their children for a real world job, but they graduate with a masters in sex toys. Scads of employers looking for that specialty.

    And the brain-drain continues, unabated.

  • AppraisHer

    Thanks to the “rounded” education now given in colleges, males are more proficient in selecting anal gels than math, and women can pinpoint every state Planned Parenthood office, but can’t locate Egypt on a map.

    College presidents, curricula writers and professors should be arrested for fraud, passing this drivel off a college education. It’s criminal that parents pay exorbitant amounts to educate their children for a real world job, but they graduate with a masters in sex toys. Scads of employers looking for that specialty.

    And the brain-drain continues, unabated.

  • Dempseycoleman

    WHY BE HONEST?????

  • marineh2ominer

    Mike , you are great , your fan in Hubert NC .

  • Irma

    One more for the “embarrassment” list – although it was not involving a college per se: Just heard this morning that a teacher (whom I assume had gone to college at some point!) in a grade school was “rationalizing” that multiplying three times four CAN have the “correct” answer of ELEVEN if the child “explains” that answer to the teacher! With that kind of “teaching” I should be able to “rationalize” how my income taxes that I have paid over a working lifetime should be immediately refunded to me! I also hope that that “teacher” ends up on an operating table with her student as the doctor! Just think, the doctor could say that amputating her arm was the “rational” thing to do when her diagnosis was a burst appendix!

  • Irma

    One more for the “embarrassment” list – although it was not involving a college per se: Just heard this morning that a teacher (whom I assume had gone to college at some point!) in a grade school was “rationalizing” that multiplying three times four CAN have the “correct” answer of ELEVEN if the child “explains” that answer to the teacher! With that kind of “teaching” I should be able to “rationalize” how my income taxes that I have paid over a working lifetime should be immediately refunded to me! I also hope that that “teacher” ends up on an operating table with her student as the doctor! Just think, the doctor could say that amputating her arm was the “rational” thing to do when her diagnosis was a burst appendix!

  • Irma

    One more for the “embarrassment” list – although it was not involving a college per se: Just heard this morning that a teacher (whom I assume had gone to college at some point!) in a grade school was “rationalizing” that multiplying three times four CAN have the “correct” answer of ELEVEN if the child “explains” that answer to the teacher! With that kind of “teaching” I should be able to “rationalize” how my income taxes that I have paid over a working lifetime should be immediately refunded to me! I also hope that that “teacher” ends up on an operating table with her student as the doctor! Just think, the doctor could say that amputating her arm was the “rational” thing to do when her diagnosis was a burst appendix!

  • Jordan48

    It is time, way past time, to withdraw your children from these godless institutions of “higher education”. As the scriptures clearly relate; “Men, thinking themselves wise, became fools.” It is also written; “In the last days, men will call evil good and good evil.” These purported educators of higher learning have not only become arrogant, but fools.

  • Jordan48

    It is time, way past time, to withdraw your children from these godless institutions of “higher education”. As the scriptures clearly relate; “Men, thinking themselves wise, became fools.” It is also written; “In the last days, men will call evil good and good evil.” These purported educators of higher learning have not only become arrogant, but fools.

  • sovereigntyofone

    In my 63 years on this dirt clod called earth, I’ve seen many changes during my life.
    The so called ” Higher Education System ” should change it’s name to ” dumbed down, doped up, and drunk “. I have to admit that I am one of those that had to drop out of college and never finished because first I couldn’t afford it, and second I had to get out and make a living to provide for myself. Now with that said, I have never understood how they can now days call it ” Higher Education ” when the ones that graduate (not all ) don’t have brains enough to pour water out of a boot with the directions printed on the heel. What we have now days is a ” factory of anti American ideology “, being taught that the United States is the root of all that is wrong in the world, in short being taught to hate and want to destroy the United States. What happened to going to college or a university to become doctors, lawyers (God forbid we have enough in our congress), scientists, artists and authors (of other than communist propaganda).
    It seems that young decent people that graduate high school and then go to college come out changed and not in a good way. They come out hating the country they were born in, think the world owes them a living just because they have a degree, they reject God, and hate people that own guns.
    Just my 2 cents worth.

    • TexasJester

      And it’s not just today – my brother graduated University of Tuscan in 1988 – married what turned out to be an über-liberal woman, and moved to northern Kalifornia, and is only now (after divorcing her a year ago) starting to realize that al Obama isn’t the cat’s meow…

    • Irma

      sovereigntyofone: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT!

    • Irma

      sovereigntyofone: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT!

  • 312qaz

    I wonder what all the women who major in Feminist Studies will do, if they can’t become college professors or Feminist Studies. I would think that there couldn’t be too many positions open. Amazing what our education system has become.

  • darkcyder

    Now we understand why Grandpa used to say “What is the world coming to?”. Seems we’ve lost our moral compass somewhere along the way.

  • worldwatchman

    America is falling. It amazes me that the rest of the free world sees it but, we don’t or at least some don’t. Those that don’t call it “progressiveness” or “progress”. Into what???
    This is an example of too much freedom. When values are removed then theirs nothing left but failure and yes…….we are failing in our own survival as a nation.

    • Phil Jackson

      In New Zealand here we have similar liberal academics who are no more intelligent than high school dropouts. The smart academics are the scientists and not the Arts and Humanities academics who are caught up on the emotional surface of issues without being able to explore the depths. We have “special” studies in all manner of similar things which have as much relevance as the skeletal models on fashion shoots. Our previous left-wing Prime Minister, (ex-Political Science Lecturer) Helen Clark is now number 3 at the U.N. This woman is supposed to be very intelligent but has said and done some very stupid things that indicate otherwise. Once said that Iraq is an internal matter (after Saddam Hussein) then went onto say weeks later that Fiji (where it is truly an internal matter) had to do something about restoring democracy. Basically when someone from the left in power, opens their mouth, you have a greater than 50% chance, it won’t make any sense. It is on the conservative right where principles are applied and understood.
      Although not a Christian myself, I support the traditional view of marriage and don’t respect those who intentionally deny a child a mother and a father due to their own goals. What we are now seeing is a continuation of evolution from science into ongoing political evolution so that such people feel more comfortable denying children two opposite-sex parents despite in most cases growing up themselves in a biologically friendly family.

      • WorldWatchman

        I appreciate your sound, intelligent observation. And, yes we are in agreement.

      • WorldWatchman

        I appreciate your sound, intelligent observation. And, yes we are in agreement.

    • Phil Jackson

      In New Zealand here we have similar liberal academics who are no more intelligent than high school dropouts. The smart academics are the scientists and not the Arts and Humanities academics who are caught up on the emotional surface of issues without being able to explore the depths. We have “special” studies in all manner of similar things which have as much relevance as the skeletal models on fashion shoots. Our previous left-wing Prime Minister, (ex-Political Science Lecturer) Helen Clark is now number 3 at the U.N. This woman is supposed to be very intelligent but has said and done some very stupid things that indicate otherwise. Once said that Iraq is an internal matter (after Saddam Hussein) then went onto say weeks later that Fiji (where it is truly an internal matter) had to do something about restoring democracy. Basically when someone from the left in power, opens their mouth, you have a greater than 50% chance, it won’t make any sense. It is on the conservative right where principles are applied and understood.
      Although not a Christian myself, I support the traditional view of marriage and don’t respect those who intentionally deny a child a mother and a father due to their own goals. What we are now seeing is a continuation of evolution from science into ongoing political evolution so that such people feel more comfortable denying children two opposite-sex parents despite in most cases growing up themselves in a biologically friendly family.

  • Take 2

    I highly recommend that if you are not aware of this as a National take over of The Republic from the inside out…Go to: “wall builders” on_line.

  • Take 2

    I highly recommend that if you are not aware of this as a National take over of The Republic from the inside out…Go to: “wall builders” on_line.

  • Henry Westin

    What happened with Mike Adams’ own “Christian” marriage ?

  • Henry Westin

    What happened with Mike Adams’ own “Christian” marriage ?

  • Eliott

    I used to think that homeschooling was wrong until I got to see and hear how the children are being brainwashed. It continues in college. If I had my life to live over again, I would homeschool my children and instead of them going to college, go instead to a trade school. Luckily, both my children are true conservatives.

  • Eliott

    I used to think that homeschooling was wrong until I got to see and hear how the children are being brainwashed. It continues in college. If I had my life to live over again, I would homeschool my children and instead of them going to college, go instead to a trade school. Luckily, both my children are true conservatives.

  • Southern California

    Love the article. Unfortunately, this “accepted” behavior is happening in too many colleges across the country. Perverts & tenure at work.

  • Southern California

    Love the article. Unfortunately, this “accepted” behavior is happening in too many colleges across the country. Perverts & tenure at work.

  • gwedem5995

    Why anyone in their right mind would want their children going to these universities is a mystery to me. I stand behind the professor when he says a family is a man and a woman with children. If everyone would turn gay tomorrow, our world would end shortly.

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

    Hey, that’s just college life today, thanks to the leftist attitude of the average ‘scholar’.

    surviving urban crisis . com

  • Phishhed444

    They call Chapel Hill “the Harvard of the South”. Maybe 30-40 years ago that meant something? Not now…jjust another intellectual dumpster.

  • Phishhed444

    They call Chapel Hill “the Harvard of the South”. Maybe 30-40 years ago that meant something? Not now…jjust another intellectual dumpster.

  • Phishhed444

    They call Chapel Hill “the Harvard of the South”. Maybe 30-40 years ago that meant something? Not now…jjust another intellectual dumpster.

  • scrambo

    north carolina has been a liberal cess pool since the 1960′s it didn’t get to ga until the 1970′s …lord help us…

  • Linda Lee

    This professor is right on!! But here are very interesting books on liberal professors and the general indoctrination occurring in our schools. It’s been going on for a long time, but it is now 100 times worse, and it’s occurring at grade and jr high , and high school levels as well. I recommned these two books :

    . The Professors: One Hundred Most Dangerous Academics – by Davide Horowitz

    Brainwashed: How Universities Indoctrinate America’s Youth by Ben Shapiro

    These books are several years old, but I looked and Amazon has them.

  • Linda Lee

    This professor is right on!! But here are very interesting books on liberal professors and the general indoctrination occurring in our schools. It’s been going on for a long time, but it is now 100 times worse, and it’s occurring at grade and jr high , and high school levels as well. I recommned these two books :

    . The Professors: One Hundred Most Dangerous Academics – by Davide Horowitz

    Brainwashed: How Universities Indoctrinate America’s Youth by Ben Shapiro

    These books are several years old, but I looked and Amazon has them.

  • Linda Lee

    This professor is right on!! But here are very interesting books on liberal professors and the general indoctrination occurring in our schools. It’s been going on for a long time, but it is now 100 times worse, and it’s occurring at grade and jr high , and high school levels as well. I recommned these two books :

    . The Professors: One Hundred Most Dangerous Academics – by Davide Horowitz

    Brainwashed: How Universities Indoctrinate America’s Youth by Ben Shapiro

    These books are several years old, but I looked and Amazon has them.

  • Mort Leith

    Colleges are the liberal socialist INDOCTRINATION centers doncha know….

  • sandraleesmith46

    Makes me glad I graduated from HS in the mid ’60s, and went to a hospital school of nursing rather than a university! As a woman, I can only ask WHAT is WRONG with those females???? I won’t dignify them with the term “ladies” and I’m not even sure they qualify as women! Animals have better self- control, and sense of propriety!

  • sandraleesmith46

    Makes me glad I graduated from HS in the mid ’60s, and went to a hospital school of nursing rather than a university! As a woman, I can only ask WHAT is WRONG with those females???? I won’t dignify them with the term “ladies” and I’m not even sure they qualify as women! Animals have better self- control, and sense of propriety!

  • sandraleesmith46

    Makes me glad I graduated from HS in the mid ’60s, and went to a hospital school of nursing rather than a university! As a woman, I can only ask WHAT is WRONG with those females???? I won’t dignify them with the term “ladies” and I’m not even sure they qualify as women! Animals have better self- control, and sense of propriety!

  • USCBIKER

    As for point #2 made by that Sapphic harpy, Hillary & Huma are living proof it’s a HUGE LIE. They, and many other lib women, talk a good game but will put up with endless humiliation from cheating husbands, all for career & power.

  • USCBIKER

    As for point #2 made by that Sapphic harpy, Hillary & Huma are living proof it’s a HUGE LIE. They, and many other lib women, talk a good game but will put up with endless humiliation from cheating husbands, all for career & power.

  • USCBIKER

    As for point #2 made by that Sapphic harpy, Hillary & Huma are living proof it’s a HUGE LIE. They, and many other lib women, talk a good game but will put up with endless humiliation from cheating husbands, all for career & power.

  • Martha

    Best thing to do is to find a good, conservative, small college – if you have to send your child to college. Good thing I am not in college today – I would surely flunk out due to not agreeing with these radical, socialist, anti-religion, so called professors.

  • Kathleen

    This sort of garbage has been creeping into our culture for many decades, so overt no one was noticing and now it’s running free (naked actually). If I had any children now they wouldn’t be going to any secular college/university with my money backing it. Folks, you have the money so you have the say.. Speak up!

  • capitalust

    I’m confused. I thought it was pretty much universally agreed that Bill Ayers was the biggest embarrassment to American Higher Education, ever, in the history of America.

  • capitalust

    I’m confused. I thought it was pretty much universally agreed that Bill Ayers was the biggest embarrassment to American Higher Education, ever, in the history of America.

    • Phishhed444

      He’s just ONE of them that screams, “LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME”!!!!!

    • Phishhed444

      He’s just ONE of them that screams, “LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME”!!!!!

  • sadnana

    Very well written and amusing in a sad sort of way. It’s just too bad that Edward and those who think like he does won’t change their minds after reading it.

  • sadnana

    Very well written and amusing in a sad sort of way. It’s just too bad that Edward and those who think like he does won’t change their minds after reading it.

  • RLJR1

    THERES ALOT OF THIS BULLSHIT GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY ITS CALLED COMMUNISM THE DUMBING DOWN OF THE UNITED STATES. THEY ARE TEACHING STUDENTS AT HARVARD THAT THE GOVT. SHOULD RUN IT ALL INCLUDING YOUR PERSONAL LIFE AND MAKING A PROFIT IS UN-AMERICAN. ITS GOING TO GET WORSE IF THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY’S NOT STOPPED. THE DEMOCRAT PARTY’S DIFFERENT IN WASHINGTON THAN IN THE PUBLIC AND THAT’S WHY THE POL’S CALL THEM USEFULL IDIOTS WHEN ARE THE PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP

    • http://ourgirlsclub.blogspot.com/ Ginny Bain Allen

      Harvard, which was begun by Christians to be a light in this dark world, is now among the Poison Ivy League institutions of lower learning. Their motto since the beginning has been Veritas. In reality, Jesus is the Truth, and what is taught at Harvard does not measure up to the standard of God’s Holy Word, in written or fleshly form!

      • sadnana

        “the Poison Ivy League institutions of lower learning”. Love it!

      • sadnana

        “the Poison Ivy League institutions of lower learning”. Love it!

    • http://ourgirlsclub.blogspot.com/ Ginny Bain Allen

      Harvard, which was begun by Christians to be a light in this dark world, is now among the Poison Ivy League institutions of lower learning. Their motto since the beginning has been Veritas. In reality, Jesus is the Truth, and what is taught at Harvard does not measure up to the standard of God’s Holy Word, in written or fleshly form!

    • http://ourgirlsclub.blogspot.com/ Ginny Bain Allen

      Harvard, which was begun by Christians to be a light in this dark world, is now among the Poison Ivy League institutions of lower learning. Their motto since the beginning has been Veritas. In reality, Jesus is the Truth, and what is taught at Harvard does not measure up to the standard of God’s Holy Word, in written or fleshly form!

    • SandyLester

      You could have said all that without YELLING!!!

    • SandyLester

      You could have said all that without YELLING!!!

  • Regan Richards

    Education is lowering yourself into the mentality of the lowest common denominator?
    All of this “educational sex” is a distraction and a national embarrassment!

  • Regan Richards

    Education is lowering yourself into the mentality of the lowest common denominator?
    All of this “educational sex” is a distraction and a national embarrassment!

  • Regan Richards

    Education is lowering yourself into the mentality of the lowest common denominator?
    All of this “educational sex” is a distraction and a national embarrassment!

  • MissTrixieB

    After reading this I need a shower to cleanse me of the filth I just read. What is with people? These nut-jobs seem to be trying to one up each other! Kiddie porn displayed as art? Dildos on public display outdoors? Ay yi, yi! Satan must be laughing his ass off with the evil he has wrought.

    • OleDad48

      Pushin’ the envelope . . . just keep pushin’ . . . can’t get it all (yet) but they always get something. And then these same perverts turn around and complain about how awful America has become! Must be conservatives’ “evil” repression!

      In the meantime, babies are killed by the millions by the whim of their own mothers (95% of the time), and children are abused by the millions, and teens are abused by the millions — killing each other daily, or killing themselves — and the reason that’s given? “Repressive values.” It is complete insanity.

      Mike can sure write, though. This is a great article, and right on the money.

    • OleDad48

      Pushin’ the envelope . . . just keep pushin’ . . . can’t get it all (yet) but they always get something. And then these same perverts turn around and complain about how awful America has become! Must be conservatives’ “evil” repression!

      In the meantime, babies are killed by the millions by the whim of their own mothers (95% of the time), and children are abused by the millions, and teens are abused by the millions — killing each other daily, or killing themselves — and the reason that’s given? “Repressive values.” It is complete insanity.

      Mike can sure write, though. This is a great article, and right on the money.

    • OleDad48

      Pushin’ the envelope . . . just keep pushin’ . . . can’t get it all (yet) but they always get something. And then these same perverts turn around and complain about how awful America has become! Must be conservatives’ “evil” repression!

      In the meantime, babies are killed by the millions by the whim of their own mothers (95% of the time), and children are abused by the millions, and teens are abused by the millions — killing each other daily, or killing themselves — and the reason that’s given? “Repressive values.” It is complete insanity.

      Mike can sure write, though. This is a great article, and right on the money.

  • Curtis Estes

    With this kind of education(?) ,it’s no wonder America is in the shape it’s in . The President(?) said he went to college , didn’t he ?

    • SandyLester

      He said it but do we really know? No one remembers him, we’ve never seen any proof…….just saying.

    • SandyLester

      He said it but do we really know? No one remembers him, we’ve never seen any proof…….just saying.

  • Curtis Estes

    With this kind of education(?) ,it’s no wonder America is in the shape it’s in . The President(?) said he went to college , didn’t he ?

  • jaybird

    We had prayers and Pledge of Allegiance at my granddaughters graduation at a community college in VA. I was pleasantly shocked having seen all the stuff on these sites.

  • jaybird

    We had prayers and Pledge of Allegiance at my granddaughters graduation at a community college in VA. I was pleasantly shocked having seen all the stuff on these sites.

  • jaybird

    We had prayers and Pledge of Allegiance at my granddaughters graduation at a community college in VA. I was pleasantly shocked having seen all the stuff on these sites.

  • SandyLester

    Very nice.
    Marriage one man and one woman

  • Jason

    I’m a great admirer of Prof. Adams. The shenanigans in the great state of North Carolina seem tame by comparison with what goes on at campuses elsewhere.

  • Jason

    I’m a great admirer of Prof. Adams. The shenanigans in the great state of North Carolina seem tame by comparison with what goes on at campuses elsewhere.

  • Jason

    I’m a great admirer of Prof. Adams. The shenanigans in the great state of North Carolina seem tame by comparison with what goes on at campuses elsewhere.

  • Molly

    This should alarm even liberals. Our children are being brainwashed by left wing crazies. Educational dollars should not be wasted on such foolishness. No doubt those in the WH think this info is critical to make students more accepting of deviant behavior. Hold tight to your children folks. The nut cases are out to get them!!

  • Molly

    This should alarm even liberals. Our children are being brainwashed by left wing crazies. Educational dollars should not be wasted on such foolishness. No doubt those in the WH think this info is critical to make students more accepting of deviant behavior. Hold tight to your children folks. The nut cases are out to get them!!

  • Molly

    This should alarm even liberals. Our children are being brainwashed by left wing crazies. Educational dollars should not be wasted on such foolishness. No doubt those in the WH think this info is critical to make students more accepting of deviant behavior. Hold tight to your children folks. The nut cases are out to get them!!

  • William556

    Just more evidence toward the case of turning the West Coast into a vast open-air asylum for these people. Cram them in, cut the roads, and watch the madness as the inmates try to run the asylum.

  • http://www.conservativefiction.com/blog/author-pages/ Jamie Wilson

    This is all in one STATE?! Good lord. Well, I think I have the solution to Obama’s quandary re: lowering higher education costs. Simply stop all federal support, period. Give universities two years to adjust costs down before yanking the cash. Then make it easier for parents and students to search for data like this on the universities they now have to pay for up front.

    Parents don’t want to spend money on S&M workshops; they want to spend money on classes that lead to their precious angels becoming doctors and lawyers and someday moving out of the basement. Universities would either dump these professors and programs or have a sudden enrollment crash. Two birds, one stone.

  • http://www.conservativefiction.com/blog/author-pages/ Jamie Wilson

    This is all in one STATE?! Good lord. Well, I think I have the solution to Obama’s quandary re: lowering higher education costs. Simply stop all federal support, period. Give universities two years to adjust costs down before yanking the cash. Then make it easier for parents and students to search for data like this on the universities they now have to pay for up front.

    Parents don’t want to spend money on S&M workshops; they want to spend money on classes that lead to their precious angels becoming doctors and lawyers and someday moving out of the basement. Universities would either dump these professors and programs or have a sudden enrollment crash. Two birds, one stone.

  • http://www.conservativefiction.com/blog/author-pages/ Jamie Wilson

    This is all in one STATE?! Good lord. Well, I think I have the solution to Obama’s quandary re: lowering higher education costs. Simply stop all federal support, period. Give universities two years to adjust costs down before yanking the cash. Then make it easier for parents and students to search for data like this on the universities they now have to pay for up front.

    Parents don’t want to spend money on S&M workshops; they want to spend money on classes that lead to their precious angels becoming doctors and lawyers and someday moving out of the basement. Universities would either dump these professors and programs or have a sudden enrollment crash. Two birds, one stone.

  • Douglas Mayfield

    Political correctness, the derivative of the Left’s subjectivism (their closely and dearly held concept that everything is a matter of opinion and there is no objective right or wrong), is poisoning our lives, our culture, and apparently, in particular, the campuses in North Carolina.
    I wonder if the student in question ever answered MIke’s question about whom he would chose as most embarrassing.

  • Scott

    I am sure it started in California and migrated to the East like everything else not making sense. Hey, you got GLBT rights up and running in America, and it pretty much started as, “We were born that way, and it is not a life style choice.”

    Next up, Pedophiles. Now in CA, they are now saying… “We were born that way, and it is not a life style choice.”

    Buckle up, and lock up your daughters and young sons…. cause it is gonna happen! Especially if they adopt sharia law.

  • Scott

    I am sure it started in California and migrated to the East like everything else not making sense. Hey, you got GLBT rights up and running in America, and it pretty much started as, “We were born that way, and it is not a life style choice.”

    Next up, Pedophiles. Now in CA, they are now saying… “We were born that way, and it is not a life style choice.”

    Buckle up, and lock up your daughters and young sons…. cause it is gonna happen! Especially if they adopt sharia law.

  • Scott

    I am sure it started in California and migrated to the East like everything else not making sense. Hey, you got GLBT rights up and running in America, and it pretty much started as, “We were born that way, and it is not a life style choice.”

    Next up, Pedophiles. Now in CA, they are now saying… “We were born that way, and it is not a life style choice.”

    Buckle up, and lock up your daughters and young sons…. cause it is gonna happen! Especially if they adopt sharia law.

  • PouponMarks

    Why doesn’t the legislature and the governor, acting for the people, remove these people, starting with the regents and university president.

  • Junie3

    LOL, this is awesome! I think Satan has officially taken over of the colleges.

  • Alan Rosenthal

    All of this is silly stuff. The reason one might be an embarrassment to higher ed is simply how those state employees in the UNC system fail their students so many times.

    UNC-Wilmington has one of the higher graduation rates (remember, employers higher graduates, not former attendees) at approx. 67%. That means that only 33 percent of their students/clients fail to achieve the goal of graduation and only 33 percent of grant and private money invested pays off.

    UNC-W, however, is doing much better than the system as a whole with a graduation rate of approx. 53%, where the UNC system fails its clientele a whopping 47% of the time.

    Schools in the system such as Fayetteville, Pembroke and NC Central (31%, 34% & 38%, respectively) should be placed on academic probation and the respective presidents perpetrating these academic frauds on the public should be fired as should any president of an institution with a graduation rate under 90% – which would be every president in the entire system.

  • Alan Rosenthal

    All of this is silly stuff. The reason one might be an embarrassment to higher ed is simply how those state employees in the UNC system fail their students so many times.

    UNC-Wilmington has one of the higher graduation rates (remember, employers higher graduates, not former attendees) at approx. 67%. That means that only 33 percent of their students/clients fail to achieve the goal of graduation and only 33 percent of grant and private money invested pays off.

    UNC-W, however, is doing much better than the system as a whole with a graduation rate of approx. 53%, where the UNC system fails its clientele a whopping 47% of the time.

    Schools in the system such as Fayetteville, Pembroke and NC Central (31%, 34% & 38%, respectively) should be placed on academic probation and the respective presidents perpetrating these academic frauds on the public should be fired as should any president of an institution with a graduation rate under 90% – which would be every president in the entire system.

  • Brad Harvey

    Standing up from my laptop to applaud. Well done, Professor!

  • Lacy Wilmerton

    I dont understand how any of that is feminism. All it is is sex on display, sex on demand. That isnt feminism. Feminism is about EQUALITY, not sexual intercourse. These “feminists” are nothing but what would have been considered sex crazed pedophiles and felons when I was growing up.

    • aliswell

      In my day they would’ve simply been recognized for what they are: sluts.

    • aliswell

      In my day they would’ve simply been recognized for what they are: sluts.

      • Lacy Wilmerton

        Eh…sluts dont take pics of underage girls, pedophiles and chimos do that. Sluts dont do indecent exposure, thats for sex offenders. In at least half of the stories the peofessor put, illegal activity was happening, then encouraged, and then just legally ignored. These ppl r not sluts, they r sexual predators, using reproductive rights as a mask for their perversion.

        • salf

          The thing you should really be worried about is that they’re calling themselves, um, feminists.

      • Lacy Wilmerton

        Eh…sluts dont take pics of underage girls, pedophiles and chimos do that. Sluts dont do indecent exposure, thats for sex offenders. In at least half of the stories the peofessor put, illegal activity was happening, then encouraged, and then just legally ignored. These ppl r not sluts, they r sexual predators, using reproductive rights as a mask for their perversion.

      • Lacy Wilmerton

        Eh…sluts dont take pics of underage girls, pedophiles and chimos do that. Sluts dont do indecent exposure, thats for sex offenders. In at least half of the stories the peofessor put, illegal activity was happening, then encouraged, and then just legally ignored. These ppl r not sluts, they r sexual predators, using reproductive rights as a mask for their perversion.

    • aliswell

      In my day they would’ve simply been recognized for what they are: sluts.

    • Enumerated_Powers

      Radical feminists do not support equality. Particularly, NOW does not support a rebuttable presumption for shared parenting.

    • Enumerated_Powers

      Radical feminists do not support equality. Particularly, NOW does not support a rebuttable presumption for shared parenting.

  • James Dutton

    I wish I went to that school so I could have the opportunity to learn from that instructor

  • James Dutton

    I wish I went to that school so I could have the opportunity to learn from that instructor

  • James Dutton

    I wish I went to that school so I could have the opportunity to learn from that instructor

  • Thomas in Jacksonville

    And with this going on Obama is going around saying he wants college to be free for those that support liberal ideals.

  • Thomas in Jacksonville

    And with this going on Obama is going around saying he wants college to be free for those that support liberal ideals.

  • Kim

    WOW – that is all I can say about the whole thing. No morals, no modesty! WOW God have mercy on our society!

  • Kim

    WOW – that is all I can say about the whole thing. No morals, no modesty! WOW God have mercy on our society!

  • Kim

    WOW – that is all I can say about the whole thing. No morals, no modesty! WOW God have mercy on our society!

  • ConservativeSenior

    Many decades ago in a college class in NY I took a class named “The History of Working Women in America”. Think that feminist professor would be appalled at the depravity that is happening in schools today. Women of my generation and before have worked very hard to obtain equality for women. But we didn’t do it so women could degrade themselves like trash. These alleged “women” are a disgrace to women everywhere. The universities that used to have a great name are now crawling in the sewer.

  • Frank W Brown

    This CRAP has filtered all the way down to the elementary level in way too many schools nationwide! The only safety for your children is in private or homeschools!
    Go check out “common core” which is in use in 46 states, you will be dumbfounded!

  • Frank W Brown

    This CRAP has filtered all the way down to the elementary level in way too many schools nationwide! The only safety for your children is in private or homeschools!
    Go check out “common core” which is in use in 46 states, you will be dumbfounded!

  • RKae

    I’m getting REALLY sick of the sanctimonious gay marriage people who either let their jaws drop or launch into shrieking fits of “NAZI!” when someone says “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.” They act like it’s such an alien concept; as if man/woman marriage was just invented yesterday by some madman; as if “Oh, my God! Where would you ever get such an idea? You’re so full of hate!”

    There’s no denying that gay marriage is completely new. And anyone who would let his beliefs be so ruled by a wave of new popular thought that he shifts with every cultural tide is not “open minded,” but merely a tool.

  • Grandpa Jones

    “Kill their own children” translates ultimately into “Force women to bear children” and that is a social value of Islamist authoritarian societies, not America. Love it or leave it Mike. Abortion- nothing wrong with it.

    • RKae

      Watch “Silent Scream.” There’s only “nothing wring with it” if it’s kept out of sight and out of mind; as long as it’s cloaked in euphemisms like “choice” and “reproductive care”; as long as the media call it a “fetus” when it’s being aborted, but an entity of the same level of development is called a “baby” by the same media when a celebrity is pregnant.

      Legal abortion would be impossible without ignorance of the facts, a complicit media, and a lexicon of euphemisms.

      • Grandpa Jones

        I’m fully aware of what it is; its dissection, dismemberment, “Scrambled eggs”. What it is isn’t is immoral; this prelude to a person never was a person. Like a vegetable growing in dirt, it never saw the light of day, therefore, how can it miss the light of day. A baby is born, and then is a person and not before. Whether it is a tragedy or not depends on your sentimentalism over a mass of undifferentiated cells, or a fetus, or a baby, that wasn’t destined by God to live on this Earth.

        • RKae

          I guess if I shoot some ten-year-old kid, I can soothe my conscience by saying, “He wasn’t destined by God to grow old.”

          • Grandpa Jones

            God works in mysterious ways, right? We come from dust and we’re headed for dust. Plenty of 10-year old kids get abused every day. Builds character. God has a plan. Its part of the plan. Just because we don’t understand it, can’t judge it, or understand it, doesn’t mean it isn’t part of the plan. I know one thing. God isn’t there to soothe your conscience or protect you from adults. If He wants to make you an example, He makes it happen. Its kind of pointless to ask why He allows Islamic cultures to force women to have babies. He is obviously teaching us all something about something. I don’t know, but I know I’d rather live in a culture where women aren’t forced to bear children they don’t want. I find it bizarre that some Christians fall all over themselves to “save” a fetus when so many actual children are given such a bum deal. Or go to Mexico to build houses when their own hometowns are filled with homeless people. I don’t wonder about it too much, though. We’re only human, not Gods.

          • bossmanham

            Grandpa Jones is a lib troll working off of straw man concepts of Christian ethics. Good job arguing against a position no one agrees with.

            Regarding forcing women to bear children they don’t want; I’m so sorry we think women ought to actually take responsibility for and care for their children. What a novel concept that parents should care for an nurture their offspring.

            Your position is the barbaric medieval one. Heck it’s way before medieval. It’s ancient Greek. Where people killed their children at most stages indiscriminately. But no…your position is the evolved and modern one, right? Bulls#!&.

          • eponymous1

            The monster “theologizes.” So cute.

          • eponymous1

            The monster “theologizes.” So cute.

          • eponymous1

            The monster “theologizes.” So cute.

          • bonesiii

            Biologist you are most likely not, but troll you probably are. You have no right to speak as if you’re on God’s side after the heinous things you said here.

            Again, if this is all just satire, then never mind. Though a little “just kidding” at the end could go a long way.

            Edit: And by the way, there are tons of Christian charities for homeless and other problems “at home”. But it is not -limited- to our home nations; we do want to help people across the world too. :) Once again you employ a strawman.

          • bonesiii

            Biologist you are most likely not, but troll you probably are. You have no right to speak as if you’re on God’s side after the heinous things you said here.

            Again, if this is all just satire, then never mind. Though a little “just kidding” at the end could go a long way.

            Edit: And by the way, there are tons of Christian charities for homeless and other problems “at home”. But it is not -limited- to our home nations; we do want to help people across the world too. :) Once again you employ a strawman.

          • bonesiii

            Biologist you are most likely not, but troll you probably are. You have no right to speak as if you’re on God’s side after the heinous things you said here.

            Again, if this is all just satire, then never mind. Though a little “just kidding” at the end could go a long way.

            Edit: And by the way, there are tons of Christian charities for homeless and other problems “at home”. But it is not -limited- to our home nations; we do want to help people across the world too. :) Once again you employ a strawman.

        • RKae

          I guess if I shoot some ten-year-old kid, I can soothe my conscience by saying, “He wasn’t destined by God to grow old.”

        • RKae

          I guess if I shoot some ten-year-old kid, I can soothe my conscience by saying, “He wasn’t destined by God to grow old.”

        • bossmanham

          So say the modern Nazis.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I don’t know what you mean by that. I just read a book called Hitler’s Charisma. Fetuses don’t have feelings, they don’t have thoughts. Their heads aren’t filled with concepts like words, dreams, ideas. The people killed and stacked like firewood by the Reich were actual people.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I don’t know what you mean by that. I just read a book called Hitler’s Charisma. Fetuses don’t have feelings, they don’t have thoughts. Their heads aren’t filled with concepts like words, dreams, ideas. The people killed and stacked like firewood by the Reich were actual people.

          • bossmanham

            So? A good bit of the night you sleep you don’t think or feel or consider concepts, yet you’re still a human being who shouldn’t be murdered in your sleep.

            And further, it’s just false that the fetus doesn’t have brain activity and isn’t learning from the very earliest point in brain development. The size of the brain and the level of cognitive development aren’t a good standard for determining one’s humanity. Otherwise newborns and the very old are very much less human than myself.

            Further, the Nazis did kill Jewish fetuses and their mothers using the same rationale that they weren’t human. It’s simply biological idiocy that you’re spewing, because from the embryonic stage, there is a new human life; and all biologists accept it. Your criteria for personhood is arbitrary and poorly founded.

          • Grandpa Jones

            Thats funny, considering I AM a biologist. Really, a fetus doesn’t have a human life. What is a human life? Anyone with memories can tell you. What is a fetus thinking, with no words, with nothing to think about, floating in space? Nothing very much. There is nothing to think about when all you “are” is a mass of differentiated cells carrying out automated processes directed by deoxyribonucleic acids (DNA) such as building capillaries and constructing proteins. Mature humans do this too, but that is not what makes us persons. The common sense idea of persons is not vague for the vast majority of cases. People in vegetative states are a fascinating outlier. We can speculate on those cases. But in general it is a pointless exercise for regular people who aren’t attending physicians or people directly involved. In general our law errs on the side of those cases being better decided by the people involved.

            Arbitrary is a word which implies randomness, so the designation of what is and is not a person is not random. It is statute in most states as one trimester or another. Those statues were defined based on reasonably defined criteria. What was rejected as unreasonable is the idea that a person is created the instant a sperm and egg fuse. The criteria for claiming that there is a “person” prior to birth is nonexistent for the reasons I stated above. I feel it is over-reaching to outlaw abortion prior to birth at any trimester, because it shouldn’t be the role of government to adjudicate what goes on inside someone’s body. But that’s just me.

            Lastly, the Nazis used many rationalizations which ended in the murder of persons. However we rationalize it, a fetus isn’t a person. It never was despite anyone’s attempts to claim such. If it was aborted or miscarried, the result is the same. No fetus feels disappointment over not being born, because it doesn’t know what its missing. It doesn’t “know” anything. It doesn’t have “person” feelings, or memories, or whatever. I don’t see why anyone should care expect the birth mother. Its just none of anyone’s business.

            What you call “murder” is just hyperbolic fanaticism. Your agenda is to force women to go through childbirth against their will. I have a list of Islamic countries you might feel more comfortable in, where you would fit right in. Maybe you are from one of these societies. I suggest you direct your concern to the welfare of the already-born actual persons instead of the hypothetical never-borns.

          • eponymous1

            At what point, then, EXACTLY, does the thing that gets born transition from “thing” to “human life.” Clearly you have a very unique take on this, most leftist pro-baby killers place it roughly close to when the thing with the head and arms and legs and unique blood type and fingers and toes passes through the birth canal. Seems you wouldn’t grant the magic label “person” until sometime significantly after that.

            Dehumanizing humans is the prerequisite for all the greatest evils done by mankind. You are a monster.

          • eponymous1

            At what point, then, EXACTLY, does the thing that gets born transition from “thing” to “human life.” Clearly you have a very unique take on this, most leftist pro-baby killers place it roughly close to when the thing with the head and arms and legs and unique blood type and fingers and toes passes through the birth canal. Seems you wouldn’t grant the magic label “person” until sometime significantly after that.

            Dehumanizing humans is the prerequisite for all the greatest evils done by mankind. You are a monster.

          • bonesiii

            “Dehumanizing humans is the prerequisite for all the greatest evils done by mankind.”

            I want to emphasize this point — right on. I took several college classes on WWII (history minor), and this was everywhere pointed out as the main thing Nazis used. Everything they did to people at the concentration camps was specifically designed to dehumanize.

            They stopped calling you by names and stamped numbers on you. They took away nearly every semblance of societal freedom even among those they picked to live as slave workers in the camps. They stripped people naked and stuffed them into killing rooms like that.

            The list goes on and on. At least (for now) the American liberals have not sunk this low, but this should never be naively used to assume that the debasement they’ve already accepted can’t lead there (or isn’t bad by itself). It’s all wrong.

          • bonesiii

            “Dehumanizing humans is the prerequisite for all the greatest evils done by mankind.”

            I want to emphasize this point — right on. I took several college classes on WWII (history minor), and this was everywhere pointed out as the main thing Nazis used. Everything they did to people at the concentration camps was specifically designed to dehumanize.

            They stopped calling you by names and stamped numbers on you. They took away nearly every semblance of societal freedom even among those they picked to live as slave workers in the camps. They stripped people naked and stuffed them into killing rooms like that.

            The list goes on and on. At least (for now) the American liberals have not sunk this low, but this should never be naively used to assume that the debasement they’ve already accepted can’t lead there (or isn’t bad by itself). It’s all wrong.

          • eponymous1

            At what point, then, EXACTLY, does the thing that gets born transition from “thing” to “human life.” Clearly you have a very unique take on this, most leftist pro-baby killers place it roughly close to when the thing with the head and arms and legs and unique blood type and fingers and toes passes through the birth canal. Seems you wouldn’t grant the magic label “person” until sometime significantly after that.

            Dehumanizing humans is the prerequisite for all the greatest evils done by mankind. You are a monster.

          • bossmanham

            //Thats funny, considering I AM a biologist.

            Either you’re lying, or I hope you have no part in developing any medicines or surgical procedures if you can’t tell what life is.

            //Really, a fetus doesn’t have a human life. What is a human life?

            Well, a human organism using fuel to energise itself, intaking and expending oxygen, and developing and growing sounds like something is alive to me.

            //What is a fetus thinking, with no words, with nothing to think about, floating in space?

            1. You are a terribly presumptuous person to state as fact that babies in the womb don’t think, and shows you aren’t the biologist you claim to be. This is what we call rank assertion. Prove it. Also, prove thought is required for life. (psst: botanists would kick your ass).

            2. So you have to know a language to be considered alive? So then newborns up to around 2 years old for some children who don’t speak yet…not human? Or deaf and dumb adults who never learned it…not human? Got it.

            //all you “are” is a mass of differentiated cells carrying out automated processes directed by deoxyribonucleic acids (DNA) such as building capillaries and constructing proteins

            And so how is that not life? Since when is a different level of level of development and different environment determinative of what a human is?

            //Mature humans do this too, but that is not what makes us persons.

            But we all do it at different levels. So what is it that makes someone more or less of a person? The size? You discriminate against small people?

            The level of development? You would say small children are less human than 20 year olds? And that 60 year olds who are more mature in their development are more of a person than that? What are you basing this arbitrary standard on?

            Environment? You say being in the dark womb of the mother makes someone less of a person? How does the 8″ journey down the birth canal change that?

            Or is it the degree of dependency? Since the developing human being can’t take care of itself and is at the mercy of being sustained by the functions of the mother? But guess what; newborns and children up to early teenage years are in the same state. Very few kids could take care of themselves, and no infant could. It’s not even clear what their personal experiences are and when they start. I don’t remember any of mine and can’t pinpoint when mine started. But I do know there’s a direct correlation to my body now, and my fetal body.

            //People in vegetative states are a fascinating outlier

            False. We all sleep every night. And I know for a fact you don’t dream or think the entire night. And brain function is irrelevant here, because the fetus DOES have brain functions, but you say their environment and level of development disqualify them from having experiences. When you sleep, your simple biological functions take over and you lose any sense of personal willful control over most everything. So why don’t you lose personhood every night?

            //In general our law errs on the side of those cases being better decided by the people involved.

            No they don’t. They still outlaw murdering the person. Removing artificial life support isn’t akin to violently ripping them apart.

            //Arbitrary is a word which implies randomness, so the designation of what is and is not a person is not random

            Arbitrary can also be “personal whim” which is exactly what you’re basing your definition of personhood on (learn to read context, buddy). Instead of a tangible and objective biological fact of when a human life begins, you want to pontificate at what level of cognition, or a certain amount thereof, a human suddenly becomes a person. This you’re basing on nothing but an ambiguous concept of self awareness, and it’s not clear when that happens. How do you know anyone else actually has personal awareness?

            Furthermore, there are direct counterexamples that you wouldn’t accept where we aren’t thinking and yet we’re still considered human persons. This goes to show that your assertions here are nothing but arbitrary whims to justify your own silly and morally abhorrent view.

            But still, human lives are ended daily without due process at the whim of the women and the phony doctors who we’d normally call child abusers for doing what they do only a few minutes later. Your view is untenable.

            //What was rejected as unreasonable is the idea that a person is created the instant a sperm and egg fuse.

            Bulls&*t. A human is formed at that moment with its own genetic code and begins developing, growing, and surviving. Yet you presume to know when this new human becomes a person, and that if it doesn’t meet the criteria you randomly set up, that it’s not a person. Well by golly, that’s what the Nazis did. The Jews and homosexuals and gypsies and others simply didn’t meet the arbitrary criteria they set up.

            //I feel it is over-reaching to outlaw abortion prior to birth at any trimester, because it shouldn’t be the role of government to adjudicate what goes on inside someone’s body

            1. Yes you do, and the government does it daily. a woman can’t go in and have her stomach or liver removed, can she? By federal and state regulations doctors can’t knowingly do something that would kill their patient in that case. Unless you’re saying they should be able to.

            2. She’s not doing this to her body. She’s doing it to another body. We do legislate that people can’t kill other human bodies without due process.

            Stop with the bs.

            //Lastly, the Nazis used many rationalizations which ended in the murder of persons. However we rationalize it, a fetus isn’t a person

            Except you’ve given no reason to think this distinction is helpful, relevant, or even true.

            //If it was aborted or miscarried, the result is the same.

            False. A natural death is far different from a murder.

            //No fetus feels disappointment over not being born, because it doesn’t know what its missing. It doesn’t “know” anything

            1. You don’t know that.

            2. A lot of murder victims don’t see their death coming, and therefore don’t feel it, and would feel no disappointment (if there is no afterlife).

            3. Are you therefore claiming that murders where the victim feels nothing are okay?

            // feelings, or memories, or whatever. I don’t see why anyone should care expect the birth mother

            There are those arbitrary criteria again. What is it about these things that give worth to human life? Why should this level of development confer that on the human?

            //Its just none of anyone’s business

            It is the state’s business to protect its citizens from unjust deaths, especially the most vulnerable among us.

            //What you call “murder” is just hyperbolic fanaticism. Your agenda is to force women to go through childbirth against their will.

            No, it’s an accurate description. I’m for forcing women to not kill their offspring, yes. I don’t discriminate based on the size, location, developmental level, or degree of dependency because I’m not a bigot.

            I do think it’s reasonable to expect women to care for their children, and if they cannot, to give them to someone that can. That’s not unreasonable, despite the bs you’ve contrived here. Despite the rhetorical sophistry you’ve employed. Only a debased society thinks expecting parents to care for their kids is unreasonable.

            //I have a list of Islamic countries you might feel more comfortable in, where you would fit right in

            Ironic that the person who doesn’t respect life acts as if they have the moral highground. Sorry buddy, but you’re the one who lines up with Islamic ideology here. You’re a Nazi.

            And even if you are a biologist, please stay out of the field of philosophy. You suck.

          • Grandpa Jones

            Problem with your assumption is that I am not a philosopher. On the contrary. I respect all life, like most biologists, and moral people. To that end, I’m pretty disappointed with the way things are going on this planet. Much of the wildlife is being corralled, vacuumed up for your pet’s food, and they’re chopping down the forests faster than they’re growing. Been happening for a while now, and I’ve not shut up about it. I’m living very low on the totem pole, sort of like Jesus in his sandals & rags days.

            Anyway, what is your point, Mr. gun avatar? Fetuses aren’t persons, they’re not citizens, they’re not people. They’re a weird sort of organ growing in someone’s body and that’s no place the government should be.

            You say above that it should be the law of the land to not only force a woman to give birth, but then take the child and give it to someone else. Okay, well, I believe they do that in North Korea. You’d love it there.

            As for what fetuses might “think about” lets examine that. They have no memories, no experiences, and certainly no reason whatsoever to have them. It just doesn’t make sense. Fetuses become babies the same moment they become persons, and that moment is when they breathe air like the rest of us persons and not before.

            To date millions of abortions have been performed (and millions of miscarriages) and the net effect is no effect. There was no tragedy except for people who are overly sentimental and imagine something thats not there. Look, every pregnancy that is desired where it doesn’t work out is sad, but thats all. Just sad. Not bad. Not the end of the world. Not like there isn’t tons of eggs, tons of sperm… etc.

          • bossmanham

            //Problem with your assumption is that I am not a philosopher. On the contrary. I respect all life, like most biologists, and moral people

            It’s not an assumption. It’s a conclusion based on your piss poor logical reasoning ability.

            //To that end, I’m pretty disappointed with the way things are going on this planet. Much of the wildlife is being corralled, vacuumed up for your pet’s food, and they’re chopping down the forests faster than they’re growing.

            I too love animals, but it says a lot about you that you’re more concerned for them than our defenseless offspring. I mean, they don’t have language or any measurable thoughts, feelings, or emotions. I thought those are what conveyed worth….

            Like I said, no logic.

            //Fetuses aren’t persons, they’re not citizens, they’re not people.

            They are human beings with inalienable rights that aren’t protected.

            //You say above that it should be the law of the land to not only force a woman to give birth, but then take the child and give it to someone else

            Yes, if you can’t take care of your kid or don’t want to. Only someone with a depraved or deformed mental state would say otherwise.

            //Okay, well, I believe they do that in North Korea. You’d love it there.

            North Korea starves its children you dumbass.

            //They have no memories, no experiences, and certainly no reason whatsoever to have them

            1. You don’t know that.

            2. Neither do infants.

            3. Neither do you while sleeping.

            It makes perfect sense to protect life.

            //To date millions of abortions have been performed (and millions of miscarriages) and the net effect is no effect

            That’s nonsense. Besides the tangible economic effects of not having 50 million taxpayers we would have had, we also have the cultural rot that accompanies a lack of respect for life and lack of value of children. All dead societies disregarded, mistreated, and murdered children. You’re a monster. You’ve not responded to any of my points, just reasserted the ones I destroyed. Typical of a dismissive monster.

          • datkrak

            Kind of hilarious that you’d be in here accusing this guy of having poor logical reasoning skills, but find no fault in Dr. Adams’ giant hasty generalization.

            Confirmation bias, much?

          • bossmanham

            Herp derp. Nope.

          • datkrak

            Kind of hilarious that you’d be in here accusing this guy of having poor logical reasoning skills, but find no fault in Dr. Adams’ giant hasty generalization.

            Confirmation bias, much?

          • datkrak

            Kind of hilarious that you’d be in here accusing this guy of having poor logical reasoning skills, but find no fault in Dr. Adams’ giant hasty generalization.

            Confirmation bias, much?

          • bossmanham

            //Problem with your assumption is that I am not a philosopher. On the contrary. I respect all life, like most biologists, and moral people

            It’s not an assumption. It’s a conclusion based on your piss poor logical reasoning ability.

            //To that end, I’m pretty disappointed with the way things are going on this planet. Much of the wildlife is being corralled, vacuumed up for your pet’s food, and they’re chopping down the forests faster than they’re growing.

            I too love animals, but it says a lot about you that you’re more concerned for them than our defenseless offspring. I mean, they don’t have language or any measurable thoughts, feelings, or emotions. I thought those are what conveyed worth….

            Like I said, no logic.

            //Fetuses aren’t persons, they’re not citizens, they’re not people.

            They are human beings with inalienable rights that aren’t protected.

            //You say above that it should be the law of the land to not only force a woman to give birth, but then take the child and give it to someone else

            Yes, if you can’t take care of your kid or don’t want to. Only someone with a depraved or deformed mental state would say otherwise.

            //Okay, well, I believe they do that in North Korea. You’d love it there.

            North Korea starves its children you dumbass.

            //They have no memories, no experiences, and certainly no reason whatsoever to have them

            1. You don’t know that.

            2. Neither do infants.

            3. Neither do you while sleeping.

            It makes perfect sense to protect life.

            //To date millions of abortions have been performed (and millions of miscarriages) and the net effect is no effect

            That’s nonsense. Besides the tangible economic effects of not having 50 million taxpayers we would have had, we also have the cultural rot that accompanies a lack of respect for life and lack of value of children. All dead societies disregarded, mistreated, and murdered children. You’re a monster. You’ve not responded to any of my points, just reasserted the ones I destroyed. Typical of a dismissive monster.

          • bossmanham

            //Problem with your assumption is that I am not a philosopher. On the contrary. I respect all life, like most biologists, and moral people

            It’s not an assumption. It’s a conclusion based on your piss poor logical reasoning ability.

            //To that end, I’m pretty disappointed with the way things are going on this planet. Much of the wildlife is being corralled, vacuumed up for your pet’s food, and they’re chopping down the forests faster than they’re growing.

            I too love animals, but it says a lot about you that you’re more concerned for them than our defenseless offspring. I mean, they don’t have language or any measurable thoughts, feelings, or emotions. I thought those are what conveyed worth….

            Like I said, no logic.

            //Fetuses aren’t persons, they’re not citizens, they’re not people.

            They are human beings with inalienable rights that aren’t protected.

            //You say above that it should be the law of the land to not only force a woman to give birth, but then take the child and give it to someone else

            Yes, if you can’t take care of your kid or don’t want to. Only someone with a depraved or deformed mental state would say otherwise.

            //Okay, well, I believe they do that in North Korea. You’d love it there.

            North Korea starves its children you dumbass.

            //They have no memories, no experiences, and certainly no reason whatsoever to have them

            1. You don’t know that.

            2. Neither do infants.

            3. Neither do you while sleeping.

            It makes perfect sense to protect life.

            //To date millions of abortions have been performed (and millions of miscarriages) and the net effect is no effect

            That’s nonsense. Besides the tangible economic effects of not having 50 million taxpayers we would have had, we also have the cultural rot that accompanies a lack of respect for life and lack of value of children. All dead societies disregarded, mistreated, and murdered children. You’re a monster. You’ve not responded to any of my points, just reasserted the ones I destroyed. Typical of a dismissive monster.

          • bonesiii

            Even if all this were true, “person” is just a word, and the fact remains that if you kill “whatever it is” at any time after the unique DNA is formed, you’re cutting off that being’s potential to become a “person”. Either way, the only reason the mass of cells didn’t result eventually in an adult human is that someone killed it.

            More to the point, this is based purely on arbitrary definitions and not on anything real that has any significance. There is no scientific justification for the idea that you only become a “person” upon breathing air or any other arbitrary dividing line. If there is such a line, it is before the first neuron forms, but I would still call it wrong before this because the process that produces fully developed people was started.

            Do I like that women have to go through childbearing? No, I hate that, but we should be investing in technology to improve that, not killing people (or “proto-people”).

          • bonesiii

            Even if all this were true, “person” is just a word, and the fact remains that if you kill “whatever it is” at any time after the unique DNA is formed, you’re cutting off that being’s potential to become a “person”. Either way, the only reason the mass of cells didn’t result eventually in an adult human is that someone killed it.

            More to the point, this is based purely on arbitrary definitions and not on anything real that has any significance. There is no scientific justification for the idea that you only become a “person” upon breathing air or any other arbitrary dividing line. If there is such a line, it is before the first neuron forms, but I would still call it wrong before this because the process that produces fully developed people was started.

            Do I like that women have to go through childbearing? No, I hate that, but we should be investing in technology to improve that, not killing people (or “proto-people”).

          • bonesiii

            Even if all this were true, “person” is just a word, and the fact remains that if you kill “whatever it is” at any time after the unique DNA is formed, you’re cutting off that being’s potential to become a “person”. Either way, the only reason the mass of cells didn’t result eventually in an adult human is that someone killed it.

            More to the point, this is based purely on arbitrary definitions and not on anything real that has any significance. There is no scientific justification for the idea that you only become a “person” upon breathing air or any other arbitrary dividing line. If there is such a line, it is before the first neuron forms, but I would still call it wrong before this because the process that produces fully developed people was started.

            Do I like that women have to go through childbearing? No, I hate that, but we should be investing in technology to improve that, not killing people (or “proto-people”).

          • Sporty

            If fetuses aren’t human then why do we hear about studies showing that music or calming situations stimulate fetuses to be healthier etc. If they are just lumps of “snot” as you earlier said then how could a fetus react positively to music etc. If all these studies are just “pap” then I would assume advising pregnant women not to smoke or drink alcohol (large amounts) is just “pap”. Lets hear our esteemed biologist’s explainaton:)

          • Sporty

            If fetuses aren’t human then why do we hear about studies showing that music or calming situations stimulate fetuses to be healthier etc. If they are just lumps of “snot” as you earlier said then how could a fetus react positively to music etc. If all these studies are just “pap” then I would assume advising pregnant women not to smoke or drink alcohol (large amounts) is just “pap”. Lets hear our esteemed biologist’s explainaton:)

          • Grandpa Jones

            Problem with your assumption is that I am not a philosopher. On the contrary. I respect all life, like most biologists, and moral people. To that end, I’m pretty disappointed with the way things are going on this planet. Much of the wildlife is being corralled, vacuumed up for your pet’s food, and they’re chopping down the forests faster than they’re growing. Been happening for a while now, and I’ve not shut up about it. I’m living very low on the totem pole, sort of like Jesus in his sandals & rags days.

            Anyway, what is your point, Mr. gun avatar? Fetuses aren’t persons, they’re not citizens, they’re not people. They’re a weird sort of organ growing in someone’s body and that’s no place the government should be.

            You say above that it should be the law of the land to not only force a woman to give birth, but then take the child and give it to someone else. Okay, well, I believe they do that in North Korea. You’d love it there.

            As for what fetuses might “think about” lets examine that. They have no memories, no experiences, and certainly no reason whatsoever to have them. It just doesn’t make sense. Fetuses become babies the same moment they become persons, and that moment is when they breathe air like the rest of us persons and not before.

            To date millions of abortions have been performed (and millions of miscarriages) and the net effect is no effect. There was no tragedy except for people who are overly sentimental and imagine something thats not there. Look, every pregnancy that is desired where it doesn’t work out is sad, but thats all. Just sad. Not bad. Not the end of the world. Not like there isn’t tons of eggs, tons of sperm… etc.

          • Grandpa Jones

            Problem with your assumption is that I am not a philosopher. On the contrary. I respect all life, like most biologists, and moral people. To that end, I’m pretty disappointed with the way things are going on this planet. Much of the wildlife is being corralled, vacuumed up for your pet’s food, and they’re chopping down the forests faster than they’re growing. Been happening for a while now, and I’ve not shut up about it. I’m living very low on the totem pole, sort of like Jesus in his sandals & rags days.

            Anyway, what is your point, Mr. gun avatar? Fetuses aren’t persons, they’re not citizens, they’re not people. They’re a weird sort of organ growing in someone’s body and that’s no place the government should be.

            You say above that it should be the law of the land to not only force a woman to give birth, but then take the child and give it to someone else. Okay, well, I believe they do that in North Korea. You’d love it there.

            As for what fetuses might “think about” lets examine that. They have no memories, no experiences, and certainly no reason whatsoever to have them. It just doesn’t make sense. Fetuses become babies the same moment they become persons, and that moment is when they breathe air like the rest of us persons and not before.

            To date millions of abortions have been performed (and millions of miscarriages) and the net effect is no effect. There was no tragedy except for people who are overly sentimental and imagine something thats not there. Look, every pregnancy that is desired where it doesn’t work out is sad, but thats all. Just sad. Not bad. Not the end of the world. Not like there isn’t tons of eggs, tons of sperm… etc.

          • bossmanham

            //Thats funny, considering I AM a biologist.

            Either you’re lying, or I hope you have no part in developing any medicines or surgical procedures if you can’t tell what life is.

            //Really, a fetus doesn’t have a human life. What is a human life?

            Well, a human organism using fuel to energise itself, intaking and expending oxygen, and developing and growing sounds like something is alive to me.

            //What is a fetus thinking, with no words, with nothing to think about, floating in space?

            1. You are a terribly presumptuous person to state as fact that babies in the womb don’t think, and shows you aren’t the biologist you claim to be. This is what we call rank assertion. Prove it. Also, prove thought is required for life. (psst: botanists would kick your ass).

            2. So you have to know a language to be considered alive? So then newborns up to around 2 years old for some children who don’t speak yet…not human? Or deaf and dumb adults who never learned it…not human? Got it.

            //all you “are” is a mass of differentiated cells carrying out automated processes directed by deoxyribonucleic acids (DNA) such as building capillaries and constructing proteins

            And so how is that not life? Since when is a different level of level of development and different environment determinative of what a human is?

            //Mature humans do this too, but that is not what makes us persons.

            But we all do it at different levels. So what is it that makes someone more or less of a person? The size? You discriminate against small people?

            The level of development? You would say small children are less human than 20 year olds? And that 60 year olds who are more mature in their development are more of a person than that? What are you basing this arbitrary standard on?

            Environment? You say being in the dark womb of the mother makes someone less of a person? How does the 8″ journey down the birth canal change that?

            Or is it the degree of dependency? Since the developing human being can’t take care of itself and is at the mercy of being sustained by the functions of the mother? But guess what; newborns and children up to early teenage years are in the same state. Very few kids could take care of themselves, and no infant could. It’s not even clear what their personal experiences are and when they start. I don’t remember any of mine and can’t pinpoint when mine started. But I do know there’s a direct correlation to my body now, and my fetal body.

            //People in vegetative states are a fascinating outlier

            False. We all sleep every night. And I know for a fact you don’t dream or think the entire night. And brain function is irrelevant here, because the fetus DOES have brain functions, but you say their environment and level of development disqualify them from having experiences. When you sleep, your simple biological functions take over and you lose any sense of personal willful control over most everything. So why don’t you lose personhood every night?

            //In general our law errs on the side of those cases being better decided by the people involved.

            No they don’t. They still outlaw murdering the person. Removing artificial life support isn’t akin to violently ripping them apart.

            //Arbitrary is a word which implies randomness, so the designation of what is and is not a person is not random

            Arbitrary can also be “personal whim” which is exactly what you’re basing your definition of personhood on (learn to read context, buddy). Instead of a tangible and objective biological fact of when a human life begins, you want to pontificate at what level of cognition, or a certain amount thereof, a human suddenly becomes a person. This you’re basing on nothing but an ambiguous concept of self awareness, and it’s not clear when that happens. How do you know anyone else actually has personal awareness?

            Furthermore, there are direct counterexamples that you wouldn’t accept where we aren’t thinking and yet we’re still considered human persons. This goes to show that your assertions here are nothing but arbitrary whims to justify your own silly and morally abhorrent view.

            But still, human lives are ended daily without due process at the whim of the women and the phony doctors who we’d normally call child abusers for doing what they do only a few minutes later. Your view is untenable.

            //What was rejected as unreasonable is the idea that a person is created the instant a sperm and egg fuse.

            Bulls&*t. A human is formed at that moment with its own genetic code and begins developing, growing, and surviving. Yet you presume to know when this new human becomes a person, and that if it doesn’t meet the criteria you randomly set up, that it’s not a person. Well by golly, that’s what the Nazis did. The Jews and homosexuals and gypsies and others simply didn’t meet the arbitrary criteria they set up.

            //I feel it is over-reaching to outlaw abortion prior to birth at any trimester, because it shouldn’t be the role of government to adjudicate what goes on inside someone’s body

            1. Yes you do, and the government does it daily. a woman can’t go in and have her stomach or liver removed, can she? By federal and state regulations doctors can’t knowingly do something that would kill their patient in that case. Unless you’re saying they should be able to.

            2. She’s not doing this to her body. She’s doing it to another body. We do legislate that people can’t kill other human bodies without due process.

            Stop with the bs.

            //Lastly, the Nazis used many rationalizations which ended in the murder of persons. However we rationalize it, a fetus isn’t a person

            Except you’ve given no reason to think this distinction is helpful, relevant, or even true.

            //If it was aborted or miscarried, the result is the same.

            False. A natural death is far different from a murder.

            //No fetus feels disappointment over not being born, because it doesn’t know what its missing. It doesn’t “know” anything

            1. You don’t know that.

            2. A lot of murder victims don’t see their death coming, and therefore don’t feel it, and would feel no disappointment (if there is no afterlife).

            3. Are you therefore claiming that murders where the victim feels nothing are okay?

            // feelings, or memories, or whatever. I don’t see why anyone should care expect the birth mother

            There are those arbitrary criteria again. What is it about these things that give worth to human life? Why should this level of development confer that on the human?

            //Its just none of anyone’s business

            It is the state’s business to protect its citizens from unjust deaths, especially the most vulnerable among us.

            //What you call “murder” is just hyperbolic fanaticism. Your agenda is to force women to go through childbirth against their will.

            No, it’s an accurate description. I’m for forcing women to not kill their offspring, yes. I don’t discriminate based on the size, location, developmental level, or degree of dependency because I’m not a bigot.

            I do think it’s reasonable to expect women to care for their children, and if they cannot, to give them to someone that can. That’s not unreasonable, despite the bs you’ve contrived here. Despite the rhetorical sophistry you’ve employed. Only a debased society thinks expecting parents to care for their kids is unreasonable.

            //I have a list of Islamic countries you might feel more comfortable in, where you would fit right in

            Ironic that the person who doesn’t respect life acts as if they have the moral highground. Sorry buddy, but you’re the one who lines up with Islamic ideology here. You’re a Nazi.

            And even if you are a biologist, please stay out of the field of philosophy. You suck.

          • bossmanham

            //Thats funny, considering I AM a biologist.

            Either you’re lying, or I hope you have no part in developing any medicines or surgical procedures if you can’t tell what life is.

            //Really, a fetus doesn’t have a human life. What is a human life?

            Well, a human organism using fuel to energise itself, intaking and expending oxygen, and developing and growing sounds like something is alive to me.

            //What is a fetus thinking, with no words, with nothing to think about, floating in space?

            1. You are a terribly presumptuous person to state as fact that babies in the womb don’t think, and shows you aren’t the biologist you claim to be. This is what we call rank assertion. Prove it. Also, prove thought is required for life. (psst: botanists would kick your ass).

            2. So you have to know a language to be considered alive? So then newborns up to around 2 years old for some children who don’t speak yet…not human? Or deaf and dumb adults who never learned it…not human? Got it.

            //all you “are” is a mass of differentiated cells carrying out automated processes directed by deoxyribonucleic acids (DNA) such as building capillaries and constructing proteins

            And so how is that not life? Since when is a different level of level of development and different environment determinative of what a human is?

            //Mature humans do this too, but that is not what makes us persons.

            But we all do it at different levels. So what is it that makes someone more or less of a person? The size? You discriminate against small people?

            The level of development? You would say small children are less human than 20 year olds? And that 60 year olds who are more mature in their development are more of a person than that? What are you basing this arbitrary standard on?

            Environment? You say being in the dark womb of the mother makes someone less of a person? How does the 8″ journey down the birth canal change that?

            Or is it the degree of dependency? Since the developing human being can’t take care of itself and is at the mercy of being sustained by the functions of the mother? But guess what; newborns and children up to early teenage years are in the same state. Very few kids could take care of themselves, and no infant could. It’s not even clear what their personal experiences are and when they start. I don’t remember any of mine and can’t pinpoint when mine started. But I do know there’s a direct correlation to my body now, and my fetal body.

            //People in vegetative states are a fascinating outlier

            False. We all sleep every night. And I know for a fact you don’t dream or think the entire night. And brain function is irrelevant here, because the fetus DOES have brain functions, but you say their environment and level of development disqualify them from having experiences. When you sleep, your simple biological functions take over and you lose any sense of personal willful control over most everything. So why don’t you lose personhood every night?

            //In general our law errs on the side of those cases being better decided by the people involved.

            No they don’t. They still outlaw murdering the person. Removing artificial life support isn’t akin to violently ripping them apart.

            //Arbitrary is a word which implies randomness, so the designation of what is and is not a person is not random

            Arbitrary can also be “personal whim” which is exactly what you’re basing your definition of personhood on (learn to read context, buddy). Instead of a tangible and objective biological fact of when a human life begins, you want to pontificate at what level of cognition, or a certain amount thereof, a human suddenly becomes a person. This you’re basing on nothing but an ambiguous concept of self awareness, and it’s not clear when that happens. How do you know anyone else actually has personal awareness?

            Furthermore, there are direct counterexamples that you wouldn’t accept where we aren’t thinking and yet we’re still considered human persons. This goes to show that your assertions here are nothing but arbitrary whims to justify your own silly and morally abhorrent view.

            But still, human lives are ended daily without due process at the whim of the women and the phony doctors who we’d normally call child abusers for doing what they do only a few minutes later. Your view is untenable.

            //What was rejected as unreasonable is the idea that a person is created the instant a sperm and egg fuse.

            Bulls&*t. A human is formed at that moment with its own genetic code and begins developing, growing, and surviving. Yet you presume to know when this new human becomes a person, and that if it doesn’t meet the criteria you randomly set up, that it’s not a person. Well by golly, that’s what the Nazis did. The Jews and homosexuals and gypsies and others simply didn’t meet the arbitrary criteria they set up.

            //I feel it is over-reaching to outlaw abortion prior to birth at any trimester, because it shouldn’t be the role of government to adjudicate what goes on inside someone’s body

            1. Yes you do, and the government does it daily. a woman can’t go in and have her stomach or liver removed, can she? By federal and state regulations doctors can’t knowingly do something that would kill their patient in that case. Unless you’re saying they should be able to.

            2. She’s not doing this to her body. She’s doing it to another body. We do legislate that people can’t kill other human bodies without due process.

            Stop with the bs.

            //Lastly, the Nazis used many rationalizations which ended in the murder of persons. However we rationalize it, a fetus isn’t a person

            Except you’ve given no reason to think this distinction is helpful, relevant, or even true.

            //If it was aborted or miscarried, the result is the same.

            False. A natural death is far different from a murder.

            //No fetus feels disappointment over not being born, because it doesn’t know what its missing. It doesn’t “know” anything

            1. You don’t know that.

            2. A lot of murder victims don’t see their death coming, and therefore don’t feel it, and would feel no disappointment (if there is no afterlife).

            3. Are you therefore claiming that murders where the victim feels nothing are okay?

            // feelings, or memories, or whatever. I don’t see why anyone should care expect the birth mother

            There are those arbitrary criteria again. What is it about these things that give worth to human life? Why should this level of development confer that on the human?

            //Its just none of anyone’s business

            It is the state’s business to protect its citizens from unjust deaths, especially the most vulnerable among us.

            //What you call “murder” is just hyperbolic fanaticism. Your agenda is to force women to go through childbirth against their will.

            No, it’s an accurate description. I’m for forcing women to not kill their offspring, yes. I don’t discriminate based on the size, location, developmental level, or degree of dependency because I’m not a bigot.

            I do think it’s reasonable to expect women to care for their children, and if they cannot, to give them to someone that can. That’s not unreasonable, despite the bs you’ve contrived here. Despite the rhetorical sophistry you’ve employed. Only a debased society thinks expecting parents to care for their kids is unreasonable.

            //I have a list of Islamic countries you might feel more comfortable in, where you would fit right in

            Ironic that the person who doesn’t respect life acts as if they have the moral highground. Sorry buddy, but you’re the one who lines up with Islamic ideology here. You’re a Nazi.

            And even if you are a biologist, please stay out of the field of philosophy. You suck.

          • bonesiii

            On what grounds are you a biologist? You hold, apparently, to the middle-ages type belief that people only become people when they’re born. No real biologist would say such a thing. If you took a class in elementary school on biology, guess what, that doesn’t make you a biologist.

          • bonesiii

            On what grounds are you a biologist? You hold, apparently, to the middle-ages type belief that people only become people when they’re born. No real biologist would say such a thing. If you took a class in elementary school on biology, guess what, that doesn’t make you a biologist.

          • Dr_Falken

            So it’s OK to kill a 2-year old? Because there’s evidence that children under 3 don’t retain memories nearly the same way we humans do. Please get back to me ASAP, there’s a baby screaming in this restaurant that I’d like to “fix”.

          • Grandpa Jones

            Yes, its okay to kill 2 year-olds if they fail the brainwashing attempts by their parents and expose their reasonable libertarianism by playacting constitutional rights games with their barbies instead of watching Jesus-themed biblical cartoons.

          • Dr_Falken

            I have no idea what you just said, and I suspect you don’t either (hint: diagram your sentences!), but this restaurant is a *whole* lot quieter now. Thanks! :-D

          • Grandpa Jones

            Okay: kill a toddler, go to jail. Kill a fetus, no one cares. I certainly don’t. Heaven must be filling up with everyone’s make-believe younger/older siblings.

          • Grandpa Jones

            Okay: kill a toddler, go to jail. Kill a fetus, no one cares. I certainly don’t. Heaven must be filling up with everyone’s make-believe younger/older siblings.

          • Dr_Falken

            I have no idea what you just said, and I suspect you don’t either (hint: diagram your sentences!), but this restaurant is a *whole* lot quieter now. Thanks! :-D

          • Dr_Falken

            I have no idea what you just said, and I suspect you don’t either (hint: diagram your sentences!), but this restaurant is a *whole* lot quieter now. Thanks! :-D

          • Grandpa Jones

            Yes, its okay to kill 2 year-olds if they fail the brainwashing attempts by their parents and expose their reasonable libertarianism by playacting constitutional rights games with their barbies instead of watching Jesus-themed biblical cartoons.

          • Grandpa Jones

            Yes, its okay to kill 2 year-olds if they fail the brainwashing attempts by their parents and expose their reasonable libertarianism by playacting constitutional rights games with their barbies instead of watching Jesus-themed biblical cartoons.

          • Grandpa Jones

            Thats funny, considering I AM a biologist. Really, a fetus doesn’t have a human life. What is a human life? Anyone with memories can tell you. What is a fetus thinking, with no words, with nothing to think about, floating in space? Nothing very much. There is nothing to think about when all you “are” is a mass of differentiated cells carrying out automated processes directed by deoxyribonucleic acids (DNA) such as building capillaries and constructing proteins. Mature humans do this too, but that is not what makes us persons. The common sense idea of persons is not vague for the vast majority of cases. People in vegetative states are a fascinating outlier. We can speculate on those cases. But in general it is a pointless exercise for regular people who aren’t attending physicians or people directly involved. In general our law errs on the side of those cases being better decided by the people involved.

            Arbitrary is a word which implies randomness, so the designation of what is and is not a person is not random. It is statute in most states as one trimester or another. Those statues were defined based on reasonably defined criteria. What was rejected as unreasonable is the idea that a person is created the instant a sperm and egg fuse. The criteria for claiming that there is a “person” prior to birth is nonexistent for the reasons I stated above. I feel it is over-reaching to outlaw abortion prior to birth at any trimester, because it shouldn’t be the role of government to adjudicate what goes on inside someone’s body. But that’s just me.

            Lastly, the Nazis used many rationalizations which ended in the murder of persons. However we rationalize it, a fetus isn’t a person. It never was despite anyone’s attempts to claim such. If it was aborted or miscarried, the result is the same. No fetus feels disappointment over not being born, because it doesn’t know what its missing. It doesn’t “know” anything. It doesn’t have “person” feelings, or memories, or whatever. I don’t see why anyone should care expect the birth mother. Its just none of anyone’s business.

            What you call “murder” is just hyperbolic fanaticism. Your agenda is to force women to go through childbirth against their will. I have a list of Islamic countries you might feel more comfortable in, where you would fit right in. Maybe you are from one of these societies. I suggest you direct your concern to the welfare of the already-born actual persons instead of the hypothetical never-borns.

          • bossmanham

            So? A good bit of the night you sleep you don’t think or feel or consider concepts, yet you’re still a human being who shouldn’t be murdered in your sleep.

            And further, it’s just false that the fetus doesn’t have brain activity and isn’t learning from the very earliest point in brain development. The size of the brain and the level of cognitive development aren’t a good standard for determining one’s humanity. Otherwise newborns and the very old are very much less human than myself.

            Further, the Nazis did kill Jewish fetuses and their mothers using the same rationale that they weren’t human. It’s simply biological idiocy that you’re spewing, because from the embryonic stage, there is a new human life; and all biologists accept it. Your criteria for personhood is arbitrary and poorly founded.

        • eponymous1

          Killing children is murder. A person is a person, no matter how small. Dehumanizing unborn children, like you do, is inhuman. So seeing light is what makes us human? Or relocation from inside a warm belly into warm arms — equally dependent on assistance for survival?

          You are a monster — but I bet you think you are a good person.

          • Grandpa Jones

            The root of inhuman is inhumane. I think its inhumane to force women to give birth. I suppose we part ways. You, in the camp with the towel-headed mullahs of the Islamic world. I, in enlightened western democracies based on rationality.

            Monster! Thats rich. You’re living in never-never land with the other stuffed animals. You think a “person” is a mass of undifferentiated cells. I got news for you. These gestating masses of cells are much less conscious than a mosquito. That human beings develop from that level of… slime is amazing. The thing is it takes a long time to develop into a person. I say its pretty obvious on the birth-day when the baby is no longer a fetus. Thats common sense. You are drowning in sentimentalism.

          • Grandpa Jones

            The root of inhuman is inhumane. I think its inhumane to force women to give birth. I suppose we part ways. You, in the camp with the towel-headed mullahs of the Islamic world. I, in enlightened western democracies based on rationality.

            Monster! Thats rich. You’re living in never-never land with the other stuffed animals. You think a “person” is a mass of undifferentiated cells. I got news for you. These gestating masses of cells are much less conscious than a mosquito. That human beings develop from that level of… slime is amazing. The thing is it takes a long time to develop into a person. I say its pretty obvious on the birth-day when the baby is no longer a fetus. Thats common sense. You are drowning in sentimentalism.

          • Grandpa Jones

            The root of inhuman is inhumane. I think its inhumane to force women to give birth. I suppose we part ways. You, in the camp with the towel-headed mullahs of the Islamic world. I, in enlightened western democracies based on rationality.

            Monster! Thats rich. You’re living in never-never land with the other stuffed animals. You think a “person” is a mass of undifferentiated cells. I got news for you. These gestating masses of cells are much less conscious than a mosquito. That human beings develop from that level of… slime is amazing. The thing is it takes a long time to develop into a person. I say its pretty obvious on the birth-day when the baby is no longer a fetus. Thats common sense. You are drowning in sentimentalism.

          • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

            He does not think! His mind has been conditioned to stay within Progressive boundaries of non-thought.

          • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

            He does not think! His mind has been conditioned to stay within Progressive boundaries of non-thought.

        • eponymous1

          Killing children is murder. A person is a person, no matter how small. Dehumanizing unborn children, like you do, is inhuman. So seeing light is what makes us human? Or relocation from inside a warm belly into warm arms — equally dependent on assistance for survival?

          You are a monster — but I bet you think you are a good person.

        • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

          Even science states that at conception that division of cells is a human as it can’t be anything else like a carrot! Your mind has been twisted to the point that you believe murdering a baby is just fine.

        • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

          Even science states that at conception that division of cells is a human as it can’t be anything else like a carrot! Your mind has been twisted to the point that you believe murdering a baby is just fine.

        • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

          Even science states that at conception that division of cells is a human as it can’t be anything else like a carrot! Your mind has been twisted to the point that you believe murdering a baby is just fine.

      • Grandpa Jones

        I’m fully aware of what it is; its dissection, dismemberment, “Scrambled eggs”. What it is isn’t is immoral; this prelude to a person never was a person. Like a vegetable growing in dirt, it never saw the light of day, therefore, how can it miss the light of day. A baby is born, and then is a person and not before. Whether it is a tragedy or not depends on your sentimentalism over a mass of undifferentiated cells, or a fetus, or a baby, that wasn’t destined by God to live on this Earth.

      • Grandpa Jones

        I’m fully aware of what it is; its dissection, dismemberment, “Scrambled eggs”. What it is isn’t is immoral; this prelude to a person never was a person. Like a vegetable growing in dirt, it never saw the light of day, therefore, how can it miss the light of day. A baby is born, and then is a person and not before. Whether it is a tragedy or not depends on your sentimentalism over a mass of undifferentiated cells, or a fetus, or a baby, that wasn’t destined by God to live on this Earth.

      • Rose215

        When they are killed after being born alive, it is called “genetic termination.”

    • RKae

      Watch “Silent Scream.” There’s only “nothing wring with it” if it’s kept out of sight and out of mind; as long as it’s cloaked in euphemisms like “choice” and “reproductive care”; as long as the media call it a “fetus” when it’s being aborted, but an entity of the same level of development is called a “baby” by the same media when a celebrity is pregnant.

      Legal abortion would be impossible without ignorance of the facts, a complicit media, and a lexicon of euphemisms.

    • RKae

      Watch “Silent Scream.” There’s only “nothing wring with it” if it’s kept out of sight and out of mind; as long as it’s cloaked in euphemisms like “choice” and “reproductive care”; as long as the media call it a “fetus” when it’s being aborted, but an entity of the same level of development is called a “baby” by the same media when a celebrity is pregnant.

      Legal abortion would be impossible without ignorance of the facts, a complicit media, and a lexicon of euphemisms.

    • eponymous1

      Kermit Gosnell, that you?

    • eponymous1

      Kermit Gosnell, that you?

    • eponymous1

      Kermit Gosnell, that you?

    • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

      Maybe you have been brainwashed into believing killing kids for your own comfort is good but most people do know better. How did you get so twisted!

    • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

      Maybe you have been brainwashed into believing killing kids for your own comfort is good but most people do know better. How did you get so twisted!

      • Grandpa Jones

        Huh? Fetuses aren’t “kids”. Kids bawl and piss and breathe AIR. As a man, I thank mom for not aborting me (as I was not accidental, it wasn’t an issue) and as such don’t have the responsibility for having to make the decision to have an abortion. But lets be clear: even though I think that abortion is NOT wrong does not mean I think killing children is not wrong. Aborting a fetus is not killing anything, but rather, the excision of a very large somewhat humanoid tumor. I was once JUST LIKE that ball of snot you people call “persons”, but, I disagree. There was one point in time which I was not a person. I passed some threshold and became a person. I think that was when I drew my first breath of real air. I don’t remember it- like most babies, my brain wasn’t even near fully formed.

        I remain firmly convinced that you are a bunch of sentimental fools. Speaking of brainwashing I was once under the Catholic delusion that abortion might be, in some cosmic sense, wrong. However, its more probable that God just saves a soul and puts it in the next baby as it is born, and not before.

        • bossmanham

          You’re a monstrous moron who can’t think beyond your nose.

          • Grandpa Jones

            Understand, sir, your insults are reflective upon yourself.

          • bonesiii

            Since you seem to believe in God in some way, have you considered that your crimes against humanity may be reflective upon -you- in terms of judgment day and what comes after? Some believe that what you commit, or even enable or support, may be part of your eternal punishment, and certainly continuing to support them risks going to that place of punishment versus salvation (if not guarantees it).

            I don’t pretend to know, but one thing I do know is that sometimes a negative label is deserved, and judging from what you’ve said here, if you really are serious about this, then all the posts here have gone easy on you by far.

            Besides, you complain about an insult, yet support a murder. You strain a gnat and swallow a camel. Talk about reflecting on yourself…

          • Grandpa Jones

            I am serious about it. Fetuses aren’t persons. I believe the only people who should be concerned about a fetus is the person they’re inside. And personally, I don’t think its a person until its outside the body, breathing air. Before then, its the sole property of the mother, and not a very interesting sort of property. Its none of anyone else’s business. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Bossman Ham seems to enjoy inveighing on this reasonable argument, I’d encourage him to think his position through, perhaps after an extended stay in a country under Islamic law, but, as it might seem too comfortable, he may never return, preferring his exile in those lands.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I am serious about it. Fetuses aren’t persons. I believe the only people who should be concerned about a fetus is the person they’re inside. And personally, I don’t think its a person until its outside the body, breathing air. Before then, its the sole property of the mother, and not a very interesting sort of property. Its none of anyone else’s business. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Bossman Ham seems to enjoy inveighing on this reasonable argument, I’d encourage him to think his position through, perhaps after an extended stay in a country under Islamic law, but, as it might seem too comfortable, he may never return, preferring his exile in those lands.

          • bonesiii

            Your being serious about it is irrelevant — serial killers are serious too and we still put the force of law behind stopping them. The question is whether any sound logic could support your conclusion and that is clearly answered only by a resounding NO.

            I suspect you know that full well and are only trolling, but who knows.

            Re: “property” — say that a little louder, so the whole class can hear you. Is that like how some men used to think women were property, inferior to men, etc.? Or slaves?

            There’s a real difference between an adult, or an older child, and the unborn, yes. But the unborn will become an adult if you let the natural process run its course and no accidents get in the way, and thus killing them is essentially “a different way of murdering an adult”. The fact that you robbed them of having a full life is just as bad if you’re doing it earlier rather than later.

          • Dr_Falken

            Calling a living human being “property” is exactly how some societies have justified mistreatment of them.

            Another way is to say that someone is “less human” or “less than human”, which really means “not deserving of basic human rights”. This is why people have advocated 4th term abortions (abortions after the child is born, but before s/he could survive on its own). Google “Peter Singer” for even more disturbing ideas like that.

          • Dr_Falken

            Calling a living human being “property” is exactly how some societies have justified mistreatment of them.

            Another way is to say that someone is “less human” or “less than human”, which really means “not deserving of basic human rights”. This is why people have advocated 4th term abortions (abortions after the child is born, but before s/he could survive on its own). Google “Peter Singer” for even more disturbing ideas like that.

          • bonesiii

            Your being serious about it is irrelevant — serial killers are serious too and we still put the force of law behind stopping them. The question is whether any sound logic could support your conclusion and that is clearly answered only by a resounding NO.

            I suspect you know that full well and are only trolling, but who knows.

            Re: “property” — say that a little louder, so the whole class can hear you. Is that like how some men used to think women were property, inferior to men, etc.? Or slaves?

            There’s a real difference between an adult, or an older child, and the unborn, yes. But the unborn will become an adult if you let the natural process run its course and no accidents get in the way, and thus killing them is essentially “a different way of murdering an adult”. The fact that you robbed them of having a full life is just as bad if you’re doing it earlier rather than later.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I am serious about it. Fetuses aren’t persons. I believe the only people who should be concerned about a fetus is the person they’re inside. And personally, I don’t think its a person until its outside the body, breathing air. Before then, its the sole property of the mother, and not a very interesting sort of property. Its none of anyone else’s business. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Bossman Ham seems to enjoy inveighing on this reasonable argument, I’d encourage him to think his position through, perhaps after an extended stay in a country under Islamic law, but, as it might seem too comfortable, he may never return, preferring his exile in those lands.

          • bossmanham

            Observations, sir. Monstrous people need to hear that they are monstrous.

          • Grandpa Jones

            Understand, sir, your insults are reflective upon yourself.

        • bonesiii

          So humanity is defined by breathing air? Seriously?

          What if someone comes along and defines you out of humanity and then proceeds to kill you? Should the rest of us accept that too, and let him walk free of jail?

          Let’s hope this is satire… >_>

        • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

          Write your own story but calling a developing human a ball of snot does not make it so! Your words do make you an enabler of those who choose to kill the weakest among us.

        • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

          Write your own story but calling a developing human a ball of snot does not make it so! Your words do make you an enabler of those who choose to kill the weakest among us.

        • http://www.honoratus.org/ Snod

          Write your own story but calling a developing human a ball of snot does not make it so! Your words do make you an enabler of those who choose to kill the weakest among us.

        • Steve

          …hang in there cupcake, your brain may yet “fully form” one day…. don’t give up hoping…

        • Steve

          …hang in there cupcake, your brain may yet “fully form” one day…. don’t give up hoping…

        • Steve

          …hang in there cupcake, your brain may yet “fully form” one day…. don’t give up hoping…

      • Dr_Falken

        It’s very possible that “Grandpa Jones” may have been diddling a grand-niece or two, and access to readily available abortion without parental consent did a lot to maintain peace in the family.

        That’s how 1 in 5 abortions happen: Girls not old enough to give consent in all states make up > 18% of abortions in the US. ( http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html )

      • Dr_Falken

        It’s very possible that “Grandpa Jones” may have been diddling a grand-niece or two, and access to readily available abortion without parental consent did a lot to maintain peace in the family.

        That’s how 1 in 5 abortions happen: Girls not old enough to give consent in all states make up > 18% of abortions in the US. ( http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html )

      • Dr_Falken

        It’s very possible that “Grandpa Jones” may have been diddling a grand-niece or two, and access to readily available abortion without parental consent did a lot to maintain peace in the family.

        That’s how 1 in 5 abortions happen: Girls not old enough to give consent in all states make up > 18% of abortions in the US. ( http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html )

    • bonesiii

      “Kill Grandpa Jones” could also translate into “Force society to support Grandpa Jones.” Somehow I suspect you might take issue if someone tried to act on that particular philosphy.

      You people are such blatant hypocrites. My bad if this really is satire, but it really sounds like you’re serious.

    • bonesiii

      “Kill Grandpa Jones” could also translate into “Force society to support Grandpa Jones.” Somehow I suspect you might take issue if someone tried to act on that particular philosphy.

      You people are such blatant hypocrites. My bad if this really is satire, but it really sounds like you’re serious.

    • Rose215

      Abortion remains controversial, and any way you slice it it does entail destroying one’s own offspring.

    • Rose215

      Abortion remains controversial, and any way you slice it it does entail destroying one’s own offspring.

    • Rose215

      Abortion remains controversial, and any way you slice it it does entail destroying one’s own offspring.

    • Misanthrope

      Women cannot be forced to bear children unless they are forced to become pregnant. There are perhaps a few women to whom that applies, but the Pro-Death crowd has no intention of limiting abortion to those.

      • Grandpa Jones

        I’m not pro-death so much as pro-compost. Just kidding! I believe the Creator gave women way too many eggs for a reason. The reason is so they can exercise more choices, and because the reproductive system of Homo sapiens is as faulty as it is foolproof. Everybody makes mistakes, and some fetuses are mistakes and nothing more.

        • Misanthrope

          So, the Creator made women the way he did so they could have abortions? Wow. I think creationists would take issue with you there. And as applied to Natural Selection, the argument is ridiculous.
          No fetus is a “mistake.” Every fetus is a natural (and intended by the Creator, incidentally) outcome of sex. The sex may be a mistake, or even a crime, but not the fetus.

          • Grandpa Jones

            The fetus is, up until a certain point, an indistinguishable blob of snot. We all were at some point. The Creator aborts fetuses all the time, doesn’t he. Its called “miscarriage”. At any rate who are we to judge? Lets be honest. Statute is a compromise between sentimental fools and reasonable people. 2nd Trimester. Neither of us get to go all the way here. But there IS a place you can enjoy your moral absolutism. Its called Islam.

          • bonesiii

            If your argument rests on “Indistinguishable”, this is where real biologists have disproven your conclusion, because there is distinguishable, distinct DNA from the mother’s DNA. Also, the nucleus is in a special form caused by how the DNA strands are arranged on the histone spools and with little to no methyl-group epigenetic off-switches attached — all the DNA that makes a person develop into a fully formed adult human if all goes right is available. Unlike the DNA in for example skin cells which has permanently switched off that DNA naturally.

            So it IS distinguishable. The idea that it wouldn’t be belongs in the middle ages or earlier as well — it does something unique (unlike other cells or waste products), so even if we didn’t yet know these details about how to distinguish them, we would still be able to know they are different.

            And actually, the Bible teaches that death only entered the world after human sin; God did not want miscarriage. And by the way, I had a brother who died due to miscarriage. I wish all the time I could have known him. I cannot imagine thinking cavalierly about his death as “okay” as you seem to. But miscarriage is not the specific fault of a human beyond the general “we caused the Fall” thing — so that is not an apt analogy for abortion, where someone IS taking the life of another human.

          • Grandpa Jones

            To be cavalier about a routine happenstance of a human life was not my intention. Miscarriage of a desired baby is tragic, up to a point. In comparison, there really is not much between an actual person and a fetus. You can’t say you missed hanging out with the fetus (unless you are the mother). There are no shared experiences. So if you think about this “Brother” of yours, the limit of it is that you wish you could have known him. It is of course, a naive wish, as it is equally possible you could have wished to NOT know him. For all anyone knows he could have been the next Charles Manson. Either way, this is sentimentalism, pure and simple. An indulgent imaginative exercise in which you invent a sort of fantasy to experience emotions you desire but are not entitled to, like any work of fiction, movie or novel.

            As far as the fetus having DNA different from the mother as a point of distinction is irrelevant. All of the DNA to make a person is contained in every single cell of the body. Potentiation of the factors which induce cell division and differentiation on a molecular level are similarly irrelevant. Many miscarriages end up in the toilet bowl without any way of distinguishing those masses of cells from any other, well, ball of snot.

            If such a miscarriage occurred, consider that the probability is that either sperm or egg was utterly compromised, and that the product, brought to term, would probably not survive if born alive at all. In the future abortion, amniocentesis, and genetic screening will allow women to take control of their reproductive systems and gradually eliminate congenital defects. Of course that is another can of worms. Either way, I don’t see the point in getting sentimental about what never was or could be. A “Life” is rightly distinguished by experiences out of the womb, in the world, breathing air. Human lives begin with the ball of snot, an obligate parasite, and, well, sometimes end up being similarly situated.

          • pfrman1

            Quite a few mistakes in logic there.

            You seem to start out by making the argument that what determines whether a human life should be able to be killed or not is whether they would be wanted or missed. To follow that logic to its conclusion, it would be perfectly okay to go kill the homeless guy in the alley.

            You also equate a natural death (miscarriage) to an intentionally caused death (abortion) as if they equate in any way, shape or form. It does not follow.

            A “ball of snot” does not have its own unique DNA (note not the “potential to” but actual distinct DNA proving a distinct living being), or heartbeat. It is not growing and developing and it has never had surgeries performed on it.

            The unborn human being in the womb can or does have all of those just listed characteristics. So therefore it is incredibly disingenuous, inaccurate, and intentionally degrading to compare the living human being in the human womb to a “ball of snot”.

          • Grandpa Jones

            The difference between the homeless guy in the alley and an unborn fetus is that one is a person, and the other is not. Society should move to help the former, and be unconcerned as to the latter. Society should not concern itself with the contents of any person’s uterus, lest we create the kind of society the Islamic cultures operate in, where sentimental, ecumenical, and delusional concepts about what is and what isn’t a person are arbitrarily used to contravene an individual’s sovereign right over their own body.

            Miscarriage is equivalent to abortion in many ways. In induced abortion, miscarriage is the biological action of the abortive agent. The end result is the expungement of the fetus. Not a tragedy, of course, as no person expired. Just a ball of snot ejected and a slot prepared for the next egg.

            Just because the DNA is directing differentiation of cells, or even if the fetus has “little fingers” or even if it kicks and rolls around, doesn’t prove in any sense the existence of a person. These are the reflexive actions of a proto-organism as it develops a nervous system. Like I said before the law as it is written is a compromise, excessively, in my view, conciliatory toward your position. It preserves the fetus, in most cases, in the 2nd or 3rd trimester, as it preserves the autonomous right of a person in a vegetative state. These delimitations of the legal abilities of responsible parties to deal with their life and death issues is reflective of an intrusive nanny state whose legal structure is amenable to change by dedicated lobby groups with ecumenical agendas, like the Pro-Life movement. And you’ve succeeded in states where the average IQ tends to be lower, inequality higher, and the quality of education lower.

            The Pro-life people have succeeded in scaring the pants of 15 year old girls, so that they give birth, again and again, until they are pushing strollers full of second-rate unwanted human beings. I see them on the Bus every day. Teen mom feeds them Coke and french fries. Concerned christian apologists are nowhere to be seen. Likewise is the situation of the homeless man. Nowhere in our political economy are his interests championed by the comfortably situated Christian majority.

            A fetus is not much more than a ball of snot- something which you fail to give its due. It begins as a single cell, and by the time it is billions of cells, it remains cognitively neutral. And this makes sense for what does a fetus have to think about? It knows no language to describe concepts, does not reason, does not know anything, and simply grows like a plant, slime mold, or cancerous tumor. DNA is ultimately machine language instructions, make no mistake. There is no spirit in it at all.

            A previous responder moaned about how he lamented his aborted “brother”, and the more I thought about what sentimental nonsense that was, the more crystalline the picture appears. You may think it valid to generate sentiment, ie., emotional torpor concerning an imaginative concept you invent about what a fetus is, but there is no facts that validate that sentiment. Shockingly, one believes they have license to not only invent a personality that never existed, but then conclude their feelings about what they’ve made up are valid as such. Well, that is a bit of make-believe isn’t it? Thats what you do with a fetus. It is a blank slate for which you simply invent purpose, meaning, implication, and then browbeat anyone who accurately observes that you are just making stuff up.

            As a fetus, for many weeks, lying in a surgeon’s dish, looks exactly like something I horked up during a bad cold, snot is entirely accurate. You call this ball of snot a “person” without irony. You claim this interpretation is sufficient to advocate that we elevate a ball of snot to the level of an autonomous human being. I call you an idiot, sir, a plain and simple idiot. If God wanted this ball of snot to develop into a person He would have no problem doing so.

          • Dr_Falken

            Just out of curiousity, could that ball of snot contain stem cells? or DNA? I mean, if you have a problem with the lining of your mucous membranes, you may have blood in there, right?

            Could you clone yourself from a ball of snot?

          • Grandpa Jones

            Well, yes, you may have blood cells but more likely skin cells. Either way its your DNA, just like when you were a fetus. Implying that it may one day be possible to clone you from your snot.

            Anyone who is dead set on bringing their unborn children to term might as well bank their sperm and eggs, and make serial backups of each union.

            Lets say you want to save all the precious baby lives, so you harvest all several hundred eggs and then spend some “quality time” introducing them to billions of your sperm in a petri dish simulating conditions of the uterine canal. Each one of those unions is a potential person, and each one, once brought together, is a “person” in the Pro-Life sense of the word (better not let the incubator go off in a power outage!)

          • Grandpa Jones

            Well, yes, you may have blood cells but more likely skin cells. Either way its your DNA, just like when you were a fetus. Implying that it may one day be possible to clone you from your snot.

            Anyone who is dead set on bringing their unborn children to term might as well bank their sperm and eggs, and make serial backups of each union.

            Lets say you want to save all the precious baby lives, so you harvest all several hundred eggs and then spend some “quality time” introducing them to billions of your sperm in a petri dish simulating conditions of the uterine canal. Each one of those unions is a potential person, and each one, once brought together, is a “person” in the Pro-Life sense of the word (better not let the incubator go off in a power outage!)

          • Dr_Falken

            Just out of curiousity, could that ball of snot contain stem cells? or DNA? I mean, if you have a problem with the lining of your mucous membranes, you may have blood in there, right?

            Could you clone yourself from a ball of snot?

          • Dr_Falken

            Just out of curiousity, could that ball of snot contain stem cells? or DNA? I mean, if you have a problem with the lining of your mucous membranes, you may have blood in there, right?

            Could you clone yourself from a ball of snot?

          • pfrman1

            Grandpa, you tell me, “You call this ball of snot a “person” without irony.” Yet the irony is that you seem to have read a different comment from the one I wrote. Because I never used the word “person” at all in my comment.

            There is a clear and distinct reason for that. The reason being that the word “person” is only a subjective legal term. People use the word to exclude certain human beings from receiving human rights. It was used to say that American indians were not “persons” to deprive them of property. It was used to exclude African-Americans of their freedom when they were deemed not to be “persons”. It was used to take the lives of the Jews in the Holocaust when Nazi Germany deemed them unqualified to be “persons”. Past history has shown that “persons” is a mere subjective term that the powerful human beings use to oppress the weak. So I never used the word once.

            You continue that arbitrary use of the word when you say, “The difference between the homeless guy in the alley and an unborn fetus is that one is a person, and the other is not.” In so doing, you beg the question, because you never prove why what you say is true to begin with. You begin with your assumption and don’t really defend the claim.

            Your largest attempt seems to be when you say, “It knows no language to describe concepts, does not reason, does not know anything, and simply grows like a plant, slime mold, or cancerous tumor. DNA is ultimately machine language instructions, make no mistake. There is no spirit in it at all.”

            Yet the same thing could be said of a newborn. In fact, it has. There are professors and ethicists who have made the exact same defenses of saying that newborns should not have the inherent right to life. I assume you agree with this reasoning?

          • Grandpa Jones

            I’m unaware of any prior arguments as to the ethical justification of infanticide, eg. killing newborn children, which I reject.

            I simply think the fetus is not a person, and when it begins to live separately form the body, it becomes a person. This is not arbitrary; those are the criteria for personhood. A “person” must have a birth certificate, or breathe air autonomously, etc. This is common sense. If statute is changed to say that fetuses are persons, that is evidence, to me at least, that the judiciary has lost its marbles- eg. gone backward to some similar level of any orthodox Catholic or Islamic society.

            The historical misuse of the term “person” in regard to certain groups of people is not evidence that the idea of personhood is flawed. It only means that it has evolved. And it covers infants.

            The reasoning that if we allow abortion in the 2nd trimester, it necessarily leads to abortion in the 3rd, or killing an infant, then a child, then an adult is not a justifiable argument. The law, in my opinion, should delimit the status of personhood to actually born people, not fetuses. The rationale for limiting abortion to a specific trimester is a compromise.

            I think the common law, which is widely respected, is reasonable. The infant is a “person” in the the legal sense- there is no other sense of the word.

            The fetus’s “personhood” is problematic as it is within someone else’s body, in fact, a part of that body, indivisible.

            If medical science proceeds to some future point in time, the state might require a unwanted fetus to be removed and placed in an artificial uterus. “Require” is just another word for coercion. This is the future of a technologically aware and logically consistent Pro-Life society. That society will use the term “person” as subjectively as our society today. Today, such societies force women to bear children they don’t want either by barring access to abortion or levying punishments criminalizing it. In the future a logically consistent Pro-Life society would have all the justification they need to forcibly perform invasive surgery and confiscate fetuses as a fireman would extract a child from a burning building.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I’m unaware of any prior arguments as to the ethical justification of infanticide, eg. killing newborn children, which I reject.

            I simply think the fetus is not a person, and when it begins to live separately form the body, it becomes a person. This is not arbitrary; those are the criteria for personhood. A “person” must have a birth certificate, or breathe air autonomously, etc. This is common sense. If statute is changed to say that fetuses are persons, that is evidence, to me at least, that the judiciary has lost its marbles- eg. gone backward to some similar level of any orthodox Catholic or Islamic society.

            The historical misuse of the term “person” in regard to certain groups of people is not evidence that the idea of personhood is flawed. It only means that it has evolved. And it covers infants.

            The reasoning that if we allow abortion in the 2nd trimester, it necessarily leads to abortion in the 3rd, or killing an infant, then a child, then an adult is not a justifiable argument. The law, in my opinion, should delimit the status of personhood to actually born people, not fetuses. The rationale for limiting abortion to a specific trimester is a compromise.

            I think the common law, which is widely respected, is reasonable. The infant is a “person” in the the legal sense- there is no other sense of the word.

            The fetus’s “personhood” is problematic as it is within someone else’s body, in fact, a part of that body, indivisible.

            If medical science proceeds to some future point in time, the state might require a unwanted fetus to be removed and placed in an artificial uterus. “Require” is just another word for coercion. This is the future of a technologically aware and logically consistent Pro-Life society. That society will use the term “person” as subjectively as our society today. Today, such societies force women to bear children they don’t want either by barring access to abortion or levying punishments criminalizing it. In the future a logically consistent Pro-Life society would have all the justification they need to forcibly perform invasive surgery and confiscate fetuses as a fireman would extract a child from a burning building.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I’m unaware of any prior arguments as to the ethical justification of infanticide, eg. killing newborn children, which I reject.

            I simply think the fetus is not a person, and when it begins to live separately form the body, it becomes a person. This is not arbitrary; those are the criteria for personhood. A “person” must have a birth certificate, or breathe air autonomously, etc. This is common sense. If statute is changed to say that fetuses are persons, that is evidence, to me at least, that the judiciary has lost its marbles- eg. gone backward to some similar level of any orthodox Catholic or Islamic society.

            The historical misuse of the term “person” in regard to certain groups of people is not evidence that the idea of personhood is flawed. It only means that it has evolved. And it covers infants.

            The reasoning that if we allow abortion in the 2nd trimester, it necessarily leads to abortion in the 3rd, or killing an infant, then a child, then an adult is not a justifiable argument. The law, in my opinion, should delimit the status of personhood to actually born people, not fetuses. The rationale for limiting abortion to a specific trimester is a compromise.

            I think the common law, which is widely respected, is reasonable. The infant is a “person” in the the legal sense- there is no other sense of the word.

            The fetus’s “personhood” is problematic as it is within someone else’s body, in fact, a part of that body, indivisible.

            If medical science proceeds to some future point in time, the state might require a unwanted fetus to be removed and placed in an artificial uterus. “Require” is just another word for coercion. This is the future of a technologically aware and logically consistent Pro-Life society. That society will use the term “person” as subjectively as our society today. Today, such societies force women to bear children they don’t want either by barring access to abortion or levying punishments criminalizing it. In the future a logically consistent Pro-Life society would have all the justification they need to forcibly perform invasive surgery and confiscate fetuses as a fireman would extract a child from a burning building.

          • pfrman1

            Grandpa, you tell me, “You call this ball of snot a “person” without irony.” Yet the irony is that you seem to have read a different comment from the one I wrote. Because I never used the word “person” at all in my comment.

            There is a clear and distinct reason for that. The reason being that the word “person” is only a subjective legal term. People use the word to exclude certain human beings from receiving human rights. It was used to say that American indians were not “persons” to deprive them of property. It was used to exclude African-Americans of their freedom when they were deemed not to be “persons”. It was used to take the lives of the Jews in the Holocaust when Nazi Germany deemed them unqualified to be “persons”. Past history has shown that “persons” is a mere subjective term that the powerful human beings use to oppress the weak. So I never used the word once.

            You continue that arbitrary use of the word when you say, “The difference between the homeless guy in the alley and an unborn fetus is that one is a person, and the other is not.” In so doing, you beg the question, because you never prove why what you say is true to begin with. You begin with your assumption and don’t really defend the claim.

            Your largest attempt seems to be when you say, “It knows no language to describe concepts, does not reason, does not know anything, and simply grows like a plant, slime mold, or cancerous tumor. DNA is ultimately machine language instructions, make no mistake. There is no spirit in it at all.”

            Yet the same thing could be said of a newborn. In fact, it has. There are professors and ethicists who have made the exact same defenses of saying that newborns should not have the inherent right to life. I assume you agree with this reasoning?

          • Grandpa Jones

            The difference between the homeless guy in the alley and an unborn fetus is that one is a person, and the other is not. Society should move to help the former, and be unconcerned as to the latter. Society should not concern itself with the contents of any person’s uterus, lest we create the kind of society the Islamic cultures operate in, where sentimental, ecumenical, and delusional concepts about what is and what isn’t a person are arbitrarily used to contravene an individual’s sovereign right over their own body.

            Miscarriage is equivalent to abortion in many ways. In induced abortion, miscarriage is the biological action of the abortive agent. The end result is the expungement of the fetus. Not a tragedy, of course, as no person expired. Just a ball of snot ejected and a slot prepared for the next egg.

            Just because the DNA is directing differentiation of cells, or even if the fetus has “little fingers” or even if it kicks and rolls around, doesn’t prove in any sense the existence of a person. These are the reflexive actions of a proto-organism as it develops a nervous system. Like I said before the law as it is written is a compromise, excessively, in my view, conciliatory toward your position. It preserves the fetus, in most cases, in the 2nd or 3rd trimester, as it preserves the autonomous right of a person in a vegetative state. These delimitations of the legal abilities of responsible parties to deal with their life and death issues is reflective of an intrusive nanny state whose legal structure is amenable to change by dedicated lobby groups with ecumenical agendas, like the Pro-Life movement. And you’ve succeeded in states where the average IQ tends to be lower, inequality higher, and the quality of education lower.

            The Pro-life people have succeeded in scaring the pants of 15 year old girls, so that they give birth, again and again, until they are pushing strollers full of second-rate unwanted human beings. I see them on the Bus every day. Teen mom feeds them Coke and french fries. Concerned christian apologists are nowhere to be seen. Likewise is the situation of the homeless man. Nowhere in our political economy are his interests championed by the comfortably situated Christian majority.

            A fetus is not much more than a ball of snot- something which you fail to give its due. It begins as a single cell, and by the time it is billions of cells, it remains cognitively neutral. And this makes sense for what does a fetus have to think about? It knows no language to describe concepts, does not reason, does not know anything, and simply grows like a plant, slime mold, or cancerous tumor. DNA is ultimately machine language instructions, make no mistake. There is no spirit in it at all.

            A previous responder moaned about how he lamented his aborted “brother”, and the more I thought about what sentimental nonsense that was, the more crystalline the picture appears. You may think it valid to generate sentiment, ie., emotional torpor concerning an imaginative concept you invent about what a fetus is, but there is no facts that validate that sentiment. Shockingly, one believes they have license to not only invent a personality that never existed, but then conclude their feelings about what they’ve made up are valid as such. Well, that is a bit of make-believe isn’t it? Thats what you do with a fetus. It is a blank slate for which you simply invent purpose, meaning, implication, and then browbeat anyone who accurately observes that you are just making stuff up.

            As a fetus, for many weeks, lying in a surgeon’s dish, looks exactly like something I horked up during a bad cold, snot is entirely accurate. You call this ball of snot a “person” without irony. You claim this interpretation is sufficient to advocate that we elevate a ball of snot to the level of an autonomous human being. I call you an idiot, sir, a plain and simple idiot. If God wanted this ball of snot to develop into a person He would have no problem doing so.

          • Grandpa Jones

            The difference between the homeless guy in the alley and an unborn fetus is that one is a person, and the other is not. Society should move to help the former, and be unconcerned as to the latter. Society should not concern itself with the contents of any person’s uterus, lest we create the kind of society the Islamic cultures operate in, where sentimental, ecumenical, and delusional concepts about what is and what isn’t a person are arbitrarily used to contravene an individual’s sovereign right over their own body.

            Miscarriage is equivalent to abortion in many ways. In induced abortion, miscarriage is the biological action of the abortive agent. The end result is the expungement of the fetus. Not a tragedy, of course, as no person expired. Just a ball of snot ejected and a slot prepared for the next egg.

            Just because the DNA is directing differentiation of cells, or even if the fetus has “little fingers” or even if it kicks and rolls around, doesn’t prove in any sense the existence of a person. These are the reflexive actions of a proto-organism as it develops a nervous system. Like I said before the law as it is written is a compromise, excessively, in my view, conciliatory toward your position. It preserves the fetus, in most cases, in the 2nd or 3rd trimester, as it preserves the autonomous right of a person in a vegetative state. These delimitations of the legal abilities of responsible parties to deal with their life and death issues is reflective of an intrusive nanny state whose legal structure is amenable to change by dedicated lobby groups with ecumenical agendas, like the Pro-Life movement. And you’ve succeeded in states where the average IQ tends to be lower, inequality higher, and the quality of education lower.

            The Pro-life people have succeeded in scaring the pants of 15 year old girls, so that they give birth, again and again, until they are pushing strollers full of second-rate unwanted human beings. I see them on the Bus every day. Teen mom feeds them Coke and french fries. Concerned christian apologists are nowhere to be seen. Likewise is the situation of the homeless man. Nowhere in our political economy are his interests championed by the comfortably situated Christian majority.

            A fetus is not much more than a ball of snot- something which you fail to give its due. It begins as a single cell, and by the time it is billions of cells, it remains cognitively neutral. And this makes sense for what does a fetus have to think about? It knows no language to describe concepts, does not reason, does not know anything, and simply grows like a plant, slime mold, or cancerous tumor. DNA is ultimately machine language instructions, make no mistake. There is no spirit in it at all.

            A previous responder moaned about how he lamented his aborted “brother”, and the more I thought about what sentimental nonsense that was, the more crystalline the picture appears. You may think it valid to generate sentiment, ie., emotional torpor concerning an imaginative concept you invent about what a fetus is, but there is no facts that validate that sentiment. Shockingly, one believes they have license to not only invent a personality that never existed, but then conclude their feelings about what they’ve made up are valid as such. Well, that is a bit of make-believe isn’t it? Thats what you do with a fetus. It is a blank slate for which you simply invent purpose, meaning, implication, and then browbeat anyone who accurately observes that you are just making stuff up.

            As a fetus, for many weeks, lying in a surgeon’s dish, looks exactly like something I horked up during a bad cold, snot is entirely accurate. You call this ball of snot a “person” without irony. You claim this interpretation is sufficient to advocate that we elevate a ball of snot to the level of an autonomous human being. I call you an idiot, sir, a plain and simple idiot. If God wanted this ball of snot to develop into a person He would have no problem doing so.

          • bonesiii

            “There are no shared experiences”

            Well, unlike you, I can want what’s best for people without having things necessarily in common with them.

            And if a distinction is irrelevant, then you should not have claimed that there was no distinction, only no relevant ways to distinguish between them (and then soundly explained why not, which you cannot do). More to the point, you missed that my argument showed why real biology has now revealed how the natural system permanently switches OFF the DNA that makes a brain in other cells, but embryonic cells have it all on. So no, the other cells do not in the practical sense HAVE all the same DNA.

            All the DNA that makes brains work and everything you could appeal to in order to establish personhood is available in the embryo, and not in the ball of snot.

            Also, arguing against the value of potential would also justify all murder, since people die accidentally at all ages too. The fact remains that the natural system does produce fully formed people if nothing interrupts it, and that the abortion doctor is interrupting it, making it his fault, NOT an accident.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I am a biologist, so I understand the concept of histone modification and chromosomal structure. Your interpretation of such as proof of a fetus being an autonomous person, as some of it is comprised of undifferentiated cells, is not very sophisticated. For example, stem cells exist in the human body in a variety of locations. Experiments have validated the processes which can potentiate and differentiate those stem cells into different cell types. Ultimately these stem cells will, I believe allow someone to clone themselves from a culture of cells from, say, the intestinal lining or the fingernail.

            What this evidence cannot establish is personhood, which is charitably endowed upon babies and completely obvious in autonomous human beings. Indeed, many fetuses are born with terrible congenital defects none of which point to an infallible Creator acting with direct intention.

            Last, the idea that some moral framework concerning abortion must be consistent with how we treat murder victims, the homeless, as per an earlier post, people in vegetative states, etc. is absurd. The ethical, legal, and moral framework concerning the latter are independent of the arguments concerning fetuses. Your argument is fallacious- the fallacy of the slippery slope: if we allow abortion, we must allow (insert crime here). It does not follow that by allowing abortion we allow murder of persons.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I am a biologist, so I understand the concept of histone modification and chromosomal structure. Your interpretation of such as proof of a fetus being an autonomous person, as some of it is comprised of undifferentiated cells, is not very sophisticated. For example, stem cells exist in the human body in a variety of locations. Experiments have validated the processes which can potentiate and differentiate those stem cells into different cell types. Ultimately these stem cells will, I believe allow someone to clone themselves from a culture of cells from, say, the intestinal lining or the fingernail.

            What this evidence cannot establish is personhood, which is charitably endowed upon babies and completely obvious in autonomous human beings. Indeed, many fetuses are born with terrible congenital defects none of which point to an infallible Creator acting with direct intention.

            Last, the idea that some moral framework concerning abortion must be consistent with how we treat murder victims, the homeless, as per an earlier post, people in vegetative states, etc. is absurd. The ethical, legal, and moral framework concerning the latter are independent of the arguments concerning fetuses. Your argument is fallacious- the fallacy of the slippery slope: if we allow abortion, we must allow (insert crime here). It does not follow that by allowing abortion we allow murder of persons.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I am a biologist, so I understand the concept of histone modification and chromosomal structure. Your interpretation of such as proof of a fetus being an autonomous person, as some of it is comprised of undifferentiated cells, is not very sophisticated. For example, stem cells exist in the human body in a variety of locations. Experiments have validated the processes which can potentiate and differentiate those stem cells into different cell types. Ultimately these stem cells will, I believe allow someone to clone themselves from a culture of cells from, say, the intestinal lining or the fingernail.

            What this evidence cannot establish is personhood, which is charitably endowed upon babies and completely obvious in autonomous human beings. Indeed, many fetuses are born with terrible congenital defects none of which point to an infallible Creator acting with direct intention.

            Last, the idea that some moral framework concerning abortion must be consistent with how we treat murder victims, the homeless, as per an earlier post, people in vegetative states, etc. is absurd. The ethical, legal, and moral framework concerning the latter are independent of the arguments concerning fetuses. Your argument is fallacious- the fallacy of the slippery slope: if we allow abortion, we must allow (insert crime here). It does not follow that by allowing abortion we allow murder of persons.

          • Grandpa Jones

            To be cavalier about a routine happenstance of a human life was not my intention. Miscarriage of a desired baby is tragic, up to a point. In comparison, there really is not much between an actual person and a fetus. You can’t say you missed hanging out with the fetus (unless you are the mother). There are no shared experiences. So if you think about this “Brother” of yours, the limit of it is that you wish you could have known him. It is of course, a naive wish, as it is equally possible you could have wished to NOT know him. For all anyone knows he could have been the next Charles Manson. Either way, this is sentimentalism, pure and simple. An indulgent imaginative exercise in which you invent a sort of fantasy to experience emotions you desire but are not entitled to, like any work of fiction, movie or novel.

            As far as the fetus having DNA different from the mother as a point of distinction is irrelevant. All of the DNA to make a person is contained in every single cell of the body. Potentiation of the factors which induce cell division and differentiation on a molecular level are similarly irrelevant. Many miscarriages end up in the toilet bowl without any way of distinguishing those masses of cells from any other, well, ball of snot.

            If such a miscarriage occurred, consider that the probability is that either sperm or egg was utterly compromised, and that the product, brought to term, would probably not survive if born alive at all. In the future abortion, amniocentesis, and genetic screening will allow women to take control of their reproductive systems and gradually eliminate congenital defects. Of course that is another can of worms. Either way, I don’t see the point in getting sentimental about what never was or could be. A “Life” is rightly distinguished by experiences out of the womb, in the world, breathing air. Human lives begin with the ball of snot, an obligate parasite, and, well, sometimes end up being similarly situated.

          • Grandpa Jones

            To be cavalier about a routine happenstance of a human life was not my intention. Miscarriage of a desired baby is tragic, up to a point. In comparison, there really is not much between an actual person and a fetus. You can’t say you missed hanging out with the fetus (unless you are the mother). There are no shared experiences. So if you think about this “Brother” of yours, the limit of it is that you wish you could have known him. It is of course, a naive wish, as it is equally possible you could have wished to NOT know him. For all anyone knows he could have been the next Charles Manson. Either way, this is sentimentalism, pure and simple. An indulgent imaginative exercise in which you invent a sort of fantasy to experience emotions you desire but are not entitled to, like any work of fiction, movie or novel.

            As far as the fetus having DNA different from the mother as a point of distinction is irrelevant. All of the DNA to make a person is contained in every single cell of the body. Potentiation of the factors which induce cell division and differentiation on a molecular level are similarly irrelevant. Many miscarriages end up in the toilet bowl without any way of distinguishing those masses of cells from any other, well, ball of snot.

            If such a miscarriage occurred, consider that the probability is that either sperm or egg was utterly compromised, and that the product, brought to term, would probably not survive if born alive at all. In the future abortion, amniocentesis, and genetic screening will allow women to take control of their reproductive systems and gradually eliminate congenital defects. Of course that is another can of worms. Either way, I don’t see the point in getting sentimental about what never was or could be. A “Life” is rightly distinguished by experiences out of the womb, in the world, breathing air. Human lives begin with the ball of snot, an obligate parasite, and, well, sometimes end up being similarly situated.

          • bonesiii

            If your argument rests on “Indistinguishable”, this is where real biologists have disproven your conclusion, because there is distinguishable, distinct DNA from the mother’s DNA. Also, the nucleus is in a special form caused by how the DNA strands are arranged on the histone spools and with little to no methyl-group epigenetic off-switches attached — all the DNA that makes a person develop into a fully formed adult human if all goes right is available. Unlike the DNA in for example skin cells which has permanently switched off that DNA naturally.

            So it IS distinguishable. The idea that it wouldn’t be belongs in the middle ages or earlier as well — it does something unique (unlike other cells or waste products), so even if we didn’t yet know these details about how to distinguish them, we would still be able to know they are different.

            And actually, the Bible teaches that death only entered the world after human sin; God did not want miscarriage. And by the way, I had a brother who died due to miscarriage. I wish all the time I could have known him. I cannot imagine thinking cavalierly about his death as “okay” as you seem to. But miscarriage is not the specific fault of a human beyond the general “we caused the Fall” thing — so that is not an apt analogy for abortion, where someone IS taking the life of another human.

          • bonesiii

            If your argument rests on “Indistinguishable”, this is where real biologists have disproven your conclusion, because there is distinguishable, distinct DNA from the mother’s DNA. Also, the nucleus is in a special form caused by how the DNA strands are arranged on the histone spools and with little to no methyl-group epigenetic off-switches attached — all the DNA that makes a person develop into a fully formed adult human if all goes right is available. Unlike the DNA in for example skin cells which has permanently switched off that DNA naturally.

            So it IS distinguishable. The idea that it wouldn’t be belongs in the middle ages or earlier as well — it does something unique (unlike other cells or waste products), so even if we didn’t yet know these details about how to distinguish them, we would still be able to know they are different.

            And actually, the Bible teaches that death only entered the world after human sin; God did not want miscarriage. And by the way, I had a brother who died due to miscarriage. I wish all the time I could have known him. I cannot imagine thinking cavalierly about his death as “okay” as you seem to. But miscarriage is not the specific fault of a human beyond the general “we caused the Fall” thing — so that is not an apt analogy for abortion, where someone IS taking the life of another human.

          • Misanthrope

            Predictably, none of this blather addresses my complete destruction of your earlier assertions, but merely dithers along in a different direction. Also predictably, you accuse me of “moral absolutism” even though I made no moral judgment whatever.
            “Miscarriage” is not at all the same as “abortion” (though I’m not surprised to learn your notion of a “Creator” is no wiser or capable than any human being). Either you know that, in which case you are dishonest; or you don’t know that, in which case you are incurably ignorant.
            That’s not moral absolutism, just cold logic.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I’m sorry if I was unable to maintain a different line of discourse through all the responses I’ve gotten. To your assertions: go to hell with your assertions. Many fetuses are mistakes, do I contradict you there? The Trojan corporation, in particular, has let me down many times (Though no pregnancies resulted as far as I know). Many pregnancies are mistakes. Many people walking around are a product of such mistakes. And I’ve met a lot of people who regret making the mistake of not having an abortion. Miserable people, miserable with their unwanted children, especially. Abortion is a zero-sum, value-free activity which should be encouraged. Blocking access to abortion providers, as the Anti-choice movement advocates, is de facto coercion designed to force women to have children they don’t want. If you can, destroy this assertion. I think its plainly obvious what the anti-choice tact is, and that is fanaticism, sentimentalism, and “just-so” doctrinal post-hoc rationalizations about what God wants flavored with what-have-you personal anecdotes.

            I think the truth is you want to believe something that can’t really be justified; to wit- that a fetus is a person, somehow, without experiences, without a life outside the body of the mother, or even a fully formed brain.

            I don’t think the mother should be burdened by any considerations other than her own preferences as far as what happens in her body, or to the fetus inside her. You can scare some women into thinking some great tragedy is taking place, but, given the abundance of sperm and egg in the world, it amounts to little more than sadism.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I’m sorry if I was unable to maintain a different line of discourse through all the responses I’ve gotten. To your assertions: go to hell with your assertions. Many fetuses are mistakes, do I contradict you there? The Trojan corporation, in particular, has let me down many times (Though no pregnancies resulted as far as I know). Many pregnancies are mistakes. Many people walking around are a product of such mistakes. And I’ve met a lot of people who regret making the mistake of not having an abortion. Miserable people, miserable with their unwanted children, especially. Abortion is a zero-sum, value-free activity which should be encouraged. Blocking access to abortion providers, as the Anti-choice movement advocates, is de facto coercion designed to force women to have children they don’t want. If you can, destroy this assertion. I think its plainly obvious what the anti-choice tact is, and that is fanaticism, sentimentalism, and “just-so” doctrinal post-hoc rationalizations about what God wants flavored with what-have-you personal anecdotes.

            I think the truth is you want to believe something that can’t really be justified; to wit- that a fetus is a person, somehow, without experiences, without a life outside the body of the mother, or even a fully formed brain.

            I don’t think the mother should be burdened by any considerations other than her own preferences as far as what happens in her body, or to the fetus inside her. You can scare some women into thinking some great tragedy is taking place, but, given the abundance of sperm and egg in the world, it amounts to little more than sadism.

          • Grandpa Jones

            I’m sorry if I was unable to maintain a different line of discourse through all the responses I’ve gotten. To your assertions: go to hell with your assertions. Many fetuses are mistakes, do I contradict you there? The Trojan corporation, in particular, has let me down many times (Though no pregnancies resulted as far as I know). Many pregnancies are mistakes. Many people walking around are a product of such mistakes. And I’ve met a lot of people who regret making the mistake of not having an abortion. Miserable people, miserable with their unwanted children, especially. Abortion is a zero-sum, value-free activity which should be encouraged. Blocking access to abortion providers, as the Anti-choice movement advocates, is de facto coercion designed to force women to have children they don’t want. If you can, destroy this assertion. I think its plainly obvious what the anti-choice tact is, and that is fanaticism, sentimentalism, and “just-so” doctrinal post-hoc rationalizations about what God wants flavored with what-have-you personal anecdotes.

            I think the truth is you want to believe something that can’t really be justified; to wit- that a fetus is a person, somehow, without experiences, without a life outside the body of the mother, or even a fully formed brain.

            I don’t think the mother should be burdened by any considerations other than her own preferences as far as what happens in her body, or to the fetus inside her. You can scare some women into thinking some great tragedy is taking place, but, given the abundance of sperm and egg in the world, it amounts to little more than sadism.

          • Grandpa Jones

            The fetus is, up until a certain point, an indistinguishable blob of snot. We all were at some point. The Creator aborts fetuses all the time, doesn’t he. Its called “miscarriage”. At any rate who are we to judge? Lets be honest. Statute is a compromise between sentimental fools and reasonable people. 2nd Trimester. Neither of us get to go all the way here. But there IS a place you can enjoy your moral absolutism. Its called Islam.

        • Misanthrope

          So, the Creator made women the way he did so they could have abortions? Wow. I think creationists would take issue with you there. And as applied to Natural Selection, the argument is ridiculous.
          No fetus is a “mistake.” Every fetus is a natural (and intended by the Creator, incidentally) outcome of sex. The sex may be a mistake, or even a crime, but not the fetus.

      • Grandpa Jones

        I’m not pro-death so much as pro-compost. Just kidding! I believe the Creator gave women way too many eggs for a reason. The reason is so they can exercise more choices, and because the reproductive system of Homo sapiens is as faulty as it is foolproof. Everybody makes mistakes, and some fetuses are mistakes and nothing more.

      • Grandpa Jones

        I’m not pro-death so much as pro-compost. Just kidding! I believe the Creator gave women way too many eggs for a reason. The reason is so they can exercise more choices, and because the reproductive system of Homo sapiens is as faulty as it is foolproof. Everybody makes mistakes, and some fetuses are mistakes and nothing more.

    • Misanthrope

      Women cannot be forced to bear children unless they are forced to become pregnant. There are perhaps a few women to whom that applies, but the Pro-Death crowd has no intention of limiting abortion to those.

  • Grandpa Jones

    “Kill their own children” translates ultimately into “Force women to bear children” and that is a social value of Islamist authoritarian societies, not America. Love it or leave it Mike. Abortion- nothing wrong with it.

  • Kaitty

    I don’t believe they will get the message you were trying to get across mainly because they do not want to. They have blinders on and can only think about the personal lustful desires and how to fulfill them not understanding that everyone must learn self control a d self discipline in order to liver together on this earth. What you described was horrendous. Home schooling has greatly increased because of what they are teaching in schools and many now study on line rather than participate in such outlandish, blatant perversions. Why humans persistently believe and think they can do better than what Gad has established as a good way of life I will never understand, but His ways are always best. Thank you for taking the time to write and educate for many do not know what is happening in our schools.

  • Kaitty

    I don’t believe they will get the message you were trying to get across mainly because they do not want to. They have blinders on and can only think about the personal lustful desires and how to fulfill them not understanding that everyone must learn self control a d self discipline in order to liver together on this earth. What you described was horrendous. Home schooling has greatly increased because of what they are teaching in schools and many now study on line rather than participate in such outlandish, blatant perversions. Why humans persistently believe and think they can do better than what Gad has established as a good way of life I will never understand, but His ways are always best. Thank you for taking the time to write and educate for many do not know what is happening in our schools.

  • Kaitty

    I don’t believe they will get the message you were trying to get across mainly because they do not want to. They have blinders on and can only think about the personal lustful desires and how to fulfill them not understanding that everyone must learn self control a d self discipline in order to liver together on this earth. What you described was horrendous. Home schooling has greatly increased because of what they are teaching in schools and many now study on line rather than participate in such outlandish, blatant perversions. Why humans persistently believe and think they can do better than what Gad has established as a good way of life I will never understand, but His ways are always best. Thank you for taking the time to write and educate for many do not know what is happening in our schools.

  • jkpalmdale

    I love this.. WTG

  • jkpalmdale

    I love this.. WTG

  • dogwonder

    LOL, the “Absolute tolerance or else” crowd are devoid of tolerance towards people who have morals and ethics.

  • James C. Elliott

    last paragraph: “Or you can just concede that our system of hire education…”

    Ouch. Not THAT’S an embarrassment. :-)

    • eponymous1

      You realize that his misspellings are purposeful, no? He says as much a sentence or to (too?) later. That particular one is an evident commentary on what is supposed to be “higher” education.

    • eponymous1

      You realize that his misspellings are purposeful, no? He says as much a sentence or to (too?) later. That particular one is an evident commentary on what is supposed to be “higher” education.

    • Rose215

      I think it’s intended as a double entendre.

    • Rose215

      I think it’s intended as a double entendre.

    • Rose215

      I think it’s intended as a double entendre.

  • atkron_112

    College Profs. are overpaid and don’t teach their subject material as they should.The outcome are useless Grads that have no basic knowledge to get employed.

  • atkron_112

    College Profs. are overpaid and don’t teach their subject material as they should.The outcome are useless Grads that have no basic knowledge to get employed.

  • http://www.picsofcelebrities.net/blog/2012/05/08/voice-season-finale Cromulent

    Do you really need a class in orgasm appreciation? Who has a problem with appreciating orgasms?

  • Abilene

    This is what happens when yankees are allowed to move into your state. We’re getting the same vermin here in Texas — northern morons who attempt to turn our state into the same liberal haven from which they just fled. We need some kind of entrance exam, and a commission that reviews for approval or rejection all applications to move here.

  • Abilene

    This is what happens when yankees are allowed to move into your state. We’re getting the same vermin here in Texas — northern morons who attempt to turn our state into the same liberal haven from which they just fled. We need some kind of entrance exam, and a commission that reviews for approval or rejection all applications to move here.

  • Abilene

    This is what happens when yankees are allowed to move into your state. We’re getting the same vermin here in Texas — northern morons who attempt to turn our state into the same liberal haven from which they just fled. We need some kind of entrance exam, and a commission that reviews for approval or rejection all applications to move here.

  • Anadara

    It’s interesting that vulgar fem-facists don’t reproduce, yet there are so many of them in higher education torturing common sense.

  • beerhammer

    Hah, reminds of me of college. I remember one class where the professor had everyone watch 2 hours of gay porn because it was some how relevant to the study of american popular culture. IN fact everything we were exposed to in that course was homosexual in nature, then again the professor was gay and so was everyone in their department. Makes me wonder if there was some reverse discrimination in the hiring department. The only thing high about higher education these days is the blunts all the faculty and the students are smoking.

    • Dr_Falken

      Not discrimination, just a lot of *fabulous* parties ;-)

    • Dr_Falken

      Not discrimination, just a lot of *fabulous* parties ;-)

  • beerhammer

    Hah, reminds of me of college. I remember one class where the professor had everyone watch 2 hours of gay porn because it was some how relevant to the study of american popular culture. IN fact everything we were exposed to in that course was homosexual in nature, then again the professor was gay and so was everyone in their department. Makes me wonder if there was some reverse discrimination in the hiring department. The only thing high about higher education these days is the blunts all the faculty and the students are smoking.

  • timeflies13

    As a feminist, I’m pretty sure I’m way hotter than most of the drolling trolls who claim that feminists are unattractive pro-woman because they can’t get a man. Ignorance must be blissful.

    • squareWave

      You’re not. Thought you’d like to know.

    • squareWave

      You’re not. Thought you’d like to know.

    • squareWave

      You’re not. Thought you’d like to know.

    • Guest

      You’re pretty sure you’re way hotter? Narcissism is not a trait I’d admit to Ms timeflies. Your humbleness tells me you probably took all those classes this professor is speaking of. Pride comes before the fall.

    • Guest

      You’re pretty sure you’re way hotter? Narcissism is not a trait I’d admit to Ms timeflies. Your humbleness tells me you probably took all those classes this professor is speaking of. Pride comes before the fall.

    • Misanthrope

      Your appearance isn’t entirely distasteful. Can you cook?

    • Misanthrope

      Your appearance isn’t entirely distasteful. Can you cook?

  • timeflies13

    As a feminist, I’m pretty sure I’m way hotter than most of the drolling trolls who claim that feminists are unattractive pro-woman because they can’t get a man. Ignorance must be blissful.

  • ww

    I would like to print this for our sharing group tonight. By sharing, I don’t mean we exchange car keys, spouses or anything else not related to scriptures – if of course that isn’t too much of an embarrasment for society.

    • datkrak

      Nope. But I imagine throwing your alleged Christianity in everyone’s face would be something of an embarrassment to the founders of your religion. The Pharisee and the Publican would be the appropriate parable, I think.

      If I’m not mistaken, I believe the punchline was: “…for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

    • datkrak

      Nope. But I imagine throwing your alleged Christianity in everyone’s face would be something of an embarrassment to the founders of your religion. The Pharisee and the Publican would be the appropriate parable, I think.

      If I’m not mistaken, I believe the punchline was: “…for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

      • bossmanham

        Lol. A God hater who claims the holier than thou highground. Weird.

        • datkrak

          God hater? Where on earth would you have gotten that from?

          I’m merely pointing out that posting, in essence, “Thank you God for not making me like those people” is, more or less, the message of the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican.

        • datkrak

          God hater? Where on earth would you have gotten that from?

          I’m merely pointing out that posting, in essence, “Thank you God for not making me like those people” is, more or less, the message of the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican.

          • bossmanham

            Funny. No one has done that.

          • datkrak

            Ooooookaaaaay. The individual I replied to did. If you can’t figure out how that post amounts to religious pride, then I can’t help ya, fella.

            Also funny: couldn’t seem to answer my question about where the “God hater” ad hominem came from, could you?

          • datkrak

            Ooooookaaaaay. The individual I replied to did. If you can’t figure out how that post amounts to religious pride, then I can’t help ya, fella.

            Also funny: couldn’t seem to answer my question about where the “God hater” ad hominem came from, could you?

          • bossmanham

            Lol. Explaining that he has a church group he attends is prideful. Lol

          • datkrak

            Ooooookaaaaay. The individual I replied to did. If you can’t figure out how that post amounts to religious pride, then I can’t help ya, fella.

            Also funny: couldn’t seem to answer my question about where the “God hater” ad hominem came from, could you?

          • bossmanham

            Funny. No one has done that.

          • bossmanham

            Funny. No one has done that.

        • datkrak

          God hater? Where on earth would you have gotten that from?

          I’m merely pointing out that posting, in essence, “Thank you God for not making me like those people” is, more or less, the message of the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican.

      • bossmanham

        Lol. A God hater who claims the holier than thou highground. Weird.

      • bossmanham

        Lol. A God hater who claims the holier than thou highground. Weird.

    • datkrak

      Nope. But I imagine throwing your alleged Christianity in everyone’s face would be something of an embarrassment to the founders of your religion. The Pharisee and the Publican would be the appropriate parable, I think.

      If I’m not mistaken, I believe the punchline was: “…for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

  • ww

    I would like to print this for our sharing group tonight. By sharing, I don’t mean we exchange car keys, spouses or anything else not related to scriptures – if of course that isn’t too much of an embarrasment for society.

  • datkrak

    Hm. Why can’t I seem to find this mysterious “Edward” Mr. Adams is responding to? Or any actual sourcing for any of Mr. Adams’ examples, other than the Duke University deal?

    • datkrak

      Mmmm, gotta love that confirmation bias.

    • datkrak

      Mmmm, gotta love that confirmation bias.

  • datkrak

    Hm. Why can’t I seem to find this mysterious “Edward” Mr. Adams is responding to? Or any actual sourcing for any of Mr. Adams’ examples, other than the Duke University deal?

  • datkrak

    Hm. Why can’t I seem to find this mysterious “Edward” Mr. Adams is responding to? Or any actual sourcing for any of Mr. Adams’ examples, other than the Duke University deal?

  • datkrak

    Also… high-jacked by radical feminism? I mean, I know you’re a college professor and everything but, uh, what in the world are you talking about? You’d have to stroll directly into your classes with your head down to come up with that epic hasty generalization.

    Do you suppose that your mythical “Edward” may have been suggesting that you’re an embarrassment to higher education because you have a poor grasp of even the most basic of logical reasoning skills?

    • barnburner

      How does that sand taste?

  • datkrak

    Also… high-jacked by radical feminism? I mean, I know you’re a college professor and everything but, uh, what in the world are you talking about? You’d have to stroll directly into your classes with your head down to come up with that epic hasty generalization.

    Do you suppose that your mythical “Edward” may have been suggesting that you’re an embarrassment to higher education because you have a poor grasp of even the most basic of logical reasoning skills?

  • datkrak

    Also… high-jacked by radical feminism? I mean, I know you’re a college professor and everything but, uh, what in the world are you talking about? You’d have to stroll directly into your classes with your head down to come up with that epic hasty generalization.

    Do you suppose that your mythical “Edward” may have been suggesting that you’re an embarrassment to higher education because you have a poor grasp of even the most basic of logical reasoning skills?

  • Whiteeagle

    We See A lot of ‘chunky’, short-haired, & homely little lesbians here in .. the midwest

    • datkrak

      I’m sure you do, Corky.

    • datkrak

      I’m sure you do, Corky.

    • datkrak

      I’m sure you do, Corky.

  • Whiteeagle

    We See A lot of ‘chunky’, short-haired, & homely little lesbians here in .. the midwest

  • Whiteeagle

    We See A lot of ‘chunky’, short-haired, & homely little lesbians here in .. the midwest

  • Taxpayer1234

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
    *catches breath, wipes eyes*
    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
    I think I peed a little.

  • Taxpayer1234

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
    *catches breath, wipes eyes*
    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
    I think I peed a little.

  • Taxpayer1234

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
    *catches breath, wipes eyes*
    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
    I think I peed a little.

  • Bteri

    My cousin just took her son on a tour of North Carolina schools…. I just forwarded this to her.

  • Bteri

    My cousin just took her son on a tour of North Carolina schools…. I just forwarded this to her.

  • libertygeek

    OK, that’s an instant classic.

  • libertygeek

    OK, that’s an instant classic.

  • Dave

    I think I see now why college has gotten so expensive. Pornstars, ancient vibrators, anal fireworks, child porn, and the ever needed ‘proud to rip my kids to death’ t-shirts come at a very high price.
    It is obvious this knowledge is highly valued int the workplace, especially Democrat conventions and Democrat political office. When will Filnor be given a PHd for his contributions?

  • Dave

    I think I see now why college has gotten so expensive. Pornstars, ancient vibrators, anal fireworks, child porn, and the ever needed ‘proud to rip my kids to death’ t-shirts come at a very high price.
    It is obvious this knowledge is highly valued int the workplace, especially Democrat conventions and Democrat political office. When will Filnor be given a PHd for his contributions?

  • John Hora

    You’re an excellent writer with a much appreciated sense of wit exposing hypocrisy with the refreshing sunshine of reality. Sadly, that light is too often lost on the lost. Keep up the good work pal. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your oft disgusting article. “The light shone in the darkness and the darkness understood it not.” Keep on shining brother!

  • John Hora

    You’re an excellent writer with a much appreciated sense of wit exposing hypocrisy with the refreshing sunshine of reality. Sadly, that light is too often lost on the lost. Keep up the good work pal. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your oft disgusting article. “The light shone in the darkness and the darkness understood it not.” Keep on shining brother!

  • David Granmadave Schein

    I am concerned that ALL of his examples deal with sexuality, as if the “feminists” and the gay-rights movement are 1) one in the same and 2) somehow bringing about the end of the world. Maybe this guy should get in touch with himself and stop caring about other people’s sexuality so much.

    Let him believe what he wants to believe- no one is forcing him to marry a man- I STRONGLY doubt that his opinion was the issue, but rather probably how he expressed it.

    • spottedreptile

      The subject was marriage, and by extension, sex choices that lead to marriage choice. He kept the topic relevant in my opinion.

      I am sure there are a gazillion examples of the Left being embarrassing in many, many other fields, but the good Professor probably thought he’d better not take up too much of Edward’s important time, or, more importantly, his own time in writing.

      • David Granmadave Schein

        Hmm. fair point, I suppose. I interpreted the subject to be “embarrassment to education,” as opposed to marriage choice. With the different lens, it makes sense.

        Beyond that, Left, Right, or other, there are plenty of examples of individuals being embarrassing in many, many other fields.

    • spottedreptile

      The subject was marriage, and by extension, sex choices that lead to marriage choice. He kept the topic relevant in my opinion.

      I am sure there are a gazillion examples of the Left being embarrassing in many, many other fields, but the good Professor probably thought he’d better not take up too much of Edward’s important time, or, more importantly, his own time in writing.

    • spottedreptile

      The subject was marriage, and by extension, sex choices that lead to marriage choice. He kept the topic relevant in my opinion.

      I am sure there are a gazillion examples of the Left being embarrassing in many, many other fields, but the good Professor probably thought he’d better not take up too much of Edward’s important time, or, more importantly, his own time in writing.

  • David Granmadave Schein

    I am concerned that ALL of his examples deal with sexuality, as if the “feminists” and the gay-rights movement are 1) one in the same and 2) somehow bringing about the end of the world. Maybe this guy should get in touch with himself and stop caring about other people’s sexuality so much.

    Let him believe what he wants to believe- no one is forcing him to marry a man- I STRONGLY doubt that his opinion was the issue, but rather probably how he expressed it.

  • tps

    And that, my friends, is the column of the year.

  • tps

    And that, my friends, is the column of the year.

  • tps

    And that, my friends, is the column of the year.

  • Dave

    Great response. I would be honored to have my daughters attend his classes anytime.

  • Dave

    Great response. I would be honored to have my daughters attend his classes anytime.

  • spoco

    There are enough Christian and Christian-friendly colleges out there. Parents, do your research and stop sending kids to colleges because of their name/academic reputation or sports team. I went to a Christian-friendly state university and had a Harvard-educated Physics professor who would tell us. Physics is physics, whether you are at Harvard or here.

  • Fiona

    Just wondering, which one did Ed pick?

  • Fiona

    Just wondering, which one did Ed pick?

  • Fiona

    Just wondering, which one did Ed pick?

  • Jon

    I think it’s time to sharpen the pitchforks and light them torches!

  • Jon

    I think it’s time to sharpen the pitchforks and light them torches!

  • Jon

    I think it’s time to sharpen the pitchforks and light them torches!

  • lavallette

    Gay marriage is an intellectual and scientific fraud against nature, and any measure that legalizes proves that the law can be an ass. Being legal does not automatically make something thing right. History is replete with examples of that dictum.

  • lavallette

    Gay marriage is an intellectual and scientific fraud against nature, and any measure that legalizes proves that the law can be an ass. Being legal does not automatically make something thing right. History is replete with examples of that dictum.

  • lavallette

    Gay marriage is an intellectual and scientific fraud against nature, and any measure that legalizes proves that the law can be an ass. Being legal does not automatically make something thing right. History is replete with examples of that dictum.

  • GigglingOz

    Hi from Australia. The link to this story was just posted by this countrys widest-read blogger and newspaper columnists. What a brilliant read, loved it!! You could write the same letter to half the university faculties here too, taken over by the far left, abusive and contemptuous of common sense, let alone values. Same issues, same rubbish going on. Had a great laugh, at the letter and at the people it told the truth about. The funniest stories are the one that are, very simply, true. Thanks!

  • GigglingOz

    Hi from Australia. The link to this story was just posted by this countrys widest-read blogger and newspaper columnists. What a brilliant read, loved it!! You could write the same letter to half the university faculties here too, taken over by the far left, abusive and contemptuous of common sense, let alone values. Same issues, same rubbish going on. Had a great laugh, at the letter and at the people it told the truth about. The funniest stories are the one that are, very simply, true. Thanks!

  • SickAndTired

    My kids were exposed to this rubbish but it didn’t affect them negatively because my wife and I have exposed them to a value system that is far superior. Good parenting is a significant defense against this evil.

  • SickAndTired

    My kids were exposed to this rubbish but it didn’t affect them negatively because my wife and I have exposed them to a value system that is far superior. Good parenting is a significant defense against this evil.

  • SickAndTired

    My kids were exposed to this rubbish but it didn’t affect them negatively because my wife and I have exposed them to a value system that is far superior. Good parenting is a significant defense against this evil.

  • jdubya_az

    Please, who is this “Ed” person?

    I do not want my kids attending a school where he/she/it is working at or pulling a paystub that I might contribute towards even if my kids never attend any of his/her/its courses on “Fisting: New Revelations to Your Lifestyle”, or whatever it is that this morally bankrupt curse to American higher education may actually have been given a room to teach with….

  • Geoff Caldwell

    Without higher ed, union thugs, minion media and the professional parasites this country would not be enduring the pain of an Obama administration today. If foreign agents perpetrated the subversion to the America these groups do they could be tried for espionage and tried accordingly. But because they’re liberals and they “care” more than those of us actually paying the bills they’re left to grow and further spread their damage.
    “Where apathy reigns, tyranny rules – There is no greater threat to liberty than a liberal in government.”
    Wake up America, and then get angry, then get involved, and stop this madness before it truly is too late.

  • Geoff Caldwell

    Without higher ed, union thugs, minion media and the professional parasites this country would not be enduring the pain of an Obama administration today. If foreign agents perpetrated the subversion to the America these groups do they could be tried for espionage and tried accordingly. But because they’re liberals and they “care” more than those of us actually paying the bills they’re left to grow and further spread their damage.
    “Where apathy reigns, tyranny rules – There is no greater threat to liberty than a liberal in government.”
    Wake up America, and then get angry, then get involved, and stop this madness before it truly is too late.

  • Geoff Caldwell

    Without higher ed, union thugs, minion media and the professional parasites this country would not be enduring the pain of an Obama administration today. If foreign agents perpetrated the subversion to the America these groups do they could be tried for espionage and tried accordingly. But because they’re liberals and they “care” more than those of us actually paying the bills they’re left to grow and further spread their damage.
    “Where apathy reigns, tyranny rules – There is no greater threat to liberty than a liberal in government.”
    Wake up America, and then get angry, then get involved, and stop this madness before it truly is too late.

  • Sandra Dornick

    I’m wondering why parents would send their children in to the land of sodom and gamorrah. I’d like to know that.

    • TheDwellerYsul

      Chapel Hill is not the land of sodom and gomorrah, Sandra. It’s a quaint little town with the oldest public university in the country perched right in the middle of it. Like a many university towns, it’s a beautiful place with a great atmosphere, and most any kid would leave there after four years with a lifetime of memories. Don’t let a guy who makes everything about politics detract from what that experience is for most attend UNC-CH. Indeed, while not quite the idyllic setting, Mike’s own campus of UNC-W, down on the coast, just off a great little downtown, is quite swell itself, despite the fact that there are undoubtedly–gasp!–feminist, gay & black students and studies there as well.

      • Sandra Dornick

        The university is a sodom and gomorrah, not the town. The town of Chapel Hill is quaint, been there. There are some wack jobs teaching our children NOTHING of value, but a lot about how to devalue society. Why would you throw in black students into your gasp? They do not deserve to be taught by moral degenerates.

        • TheDwellerYsul

          So, we agree about Chapel Hill. Good. I received two degrees from the school, one an advanced history degree with plenty of colleagues specializing in feminist, gender & race issues. It was hardly Sodom, mostly just sincere people working really hard to digest as many books as possible. Not sexy at all.

      • Sandra Dornick

        The university is a sodom and gomorrah, not the town. The town of Chapel Hill is quaint, been there. There are some wack jobs teaching our children NOTHING of value, but a lot about how to devalue society. Why would you throw in black students into your gasp? They do not deserve to be taught by moral degenerates.

  • Misanthrope

    Those first 9 examples are also the reason the Feds throw so much money at universities and subsidize attending them.

  • Misanthrope

    Those first 9 examples are also the reason the Feds throw so much money at universities and subsidize attending them.

  • Chris

    Its not just North Carolina. Had my final grade reduced because I used the term “mankind” instead of “humankind” and “man” instead of “human”. I learned it from watching you, Neil!

  • carlo1775

    Liberals are puss infested souls promoting this garbage.

    • Nabuquduriuzhur

      hehe. call them “lymphatically-challenged”…

  • http://blaze.com/ mathchopper

    I wonder how many of these feminist professors are Republicans? Does the answer send a message to why our country is fully intercoursed?

    • Nabuquduriuzhur

      When the nation became feminizied, it became barbarous, slaughtering its kids, accepting high crime rates, accepting invasions (a third of mexico is hardly “immigration”), etc.

  • http://blaze.com/ mathchopper

    I wonder how many of these feminist professors are Republicans? Does the answer send a message to why our country is fully intercoursed?

  • TheDwellerYsul

    And yet Adams is still the biggest embarrassment to higher education in the Old North State.

  • TheDwellerYsul

    And yet Adams is still the biggest embarrassment to higher education in the Old North State.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MUHO4VMAQJJNIBUXNRV5Q3CXN4 Jeanne

      Why?

      • TheDwellerYsul

        Because Mike appears to feel that he really showed “Edward” what’s what, when, in fact, he’s just another insecure conservative who’s been on the losing end of too many debates and is now reduced to tilting at windmills. Aren’t you embarrassed for him?

        • scottscobig

          insecure, losing, reduced, windmill tilter, embarrassed

          Ad hominem name calling is like screeching from the rooftops that you have no argument/point to make and that you see that your opposition’s arguments/points are so ironclad that you have no leg to stand on.

          Take the professor on and address his points and make counterarguments or shut up.

        • scottscobig

          insecure, losing, reduced, windmill tilter, embarrassed

          Ad hominem name calling is like screeching from the rooftops that you have no argument/point to make and that you see that your opposition’s arguments/points are so ironclad that you have no leg to stand on.

          Take the professor on and address his points and make counterarguments or shut up.

      • TheDwellerYsul

        Because Mike appears to feel that he really showed “Edward” what’s what, when, in fact, he’s just another insecure conservative who’s been on the losing end of too many debates and is now reduced to tilting at windmills. Aren’t you embarrassed for him?

      • TheDwellerYsul

        Because Mike appears to feel that he really showed “Edward” what’s what, when, in fact, he’s just another insecure conservative who’s been on the losing end of too many debates and is now reduced to tilting at windmills. Aren’t you embarrassed for him?

  • FrankW

    Yeah, I’m still waiting for all those Duke professors who convicted those lacrosse players without having all the facts to publicly apologize for their embarrassing rush to judgment. I expect that will happen about the same time hell freezes over.

  • roger

    If you want to destroy the world,,, you destroy the children. This is how its being done.

  • roger

    If you want to destroy the world,,, you destroy the children. This is how its being done.

  • dbt3481

    Sparklers in the rectum, nuking her mail and she is the counter terror expert? LOL, they are insane. Stark raving mad..

    I send my daughter to a private religious college and I am so happy I do. They don’t teach this garbage where she goes…

  • gvanderleun

    Bravo!

  • gvanderleun

    Bravo!

  • Endoxa52

    Yeah, our world is doing just fine.

  • donniea

    Conservative faculty and students on these campuses are targeted for ridicule, isolation and rejection.

  • donniea

    Conservative faculty and students on these campuses are targeted for ridicule, isolation and rejection.

  • Pavel

    Libtards and feminazis have been destroying education for decades. However, it’s not like I have to hire any of their “educated” and “enlightened” idiots.

  • ProudlyUnaffiliated

    How can Mike Adams stand it? He is surrounded by, and I will be charitable, total goofballs and nutbags. Good luck to him.

  • ProudlyUnaffiliated

    How can Mike Adams stand it? He is surrounded by, and I will be charitable, total goofballs and nutbags. Good luck to him.

  • NinaG

    Back in the day before I knew any better, (1980) I was a naive, under-educated but overly-hyped (read: ill prepared) minority student at Pitzer College in Claremont, California. The most popular class was taught by a renowned gay man who wrote the book, “The Tearoom Trade”; an expose on gay men who went into public restrooms for anonymous sex via bathroom doors with holes cut into them. His first sentence to his students in his class “Aberrant Sexual Behavior” was “My name is Lance _____ (I forget) and I suck ****.”
    I remember being shocked and wondered why I was spending $20,000+ per year for such an “education”. Well, now I know! It wasn’t an education so much as an indoctrination. I can only imagine how much worse things are now; as evidenced in this article. God help America…

  • Amonite

    Even at my community college, they had a guest speaker (I wasn’t there, but they wrote a column about it in the college paper) about orgasm appreciation and kegal exercises. The newspaper came with a free condom too – just in case we didn’t get the hint that they thought we should all be fooling around with each other.

  • Amonite

    Even at my community college, they had a guest speaker (I wasn’t there, but they wrote a column about it in the college paper) about orgasm appreciation and kegal exercises. The newspaper came with a free condom too – just in case we didn’t get the hint that they thought we should all be fooling around with each other.

  • Amonite

    Even at my community college, they had a guest speaker (I wasn’t there, but they wrote a column about it in the college paper) about orgasm appreciation and kegal exercises. The newspaper came with a free condom too – just in case we didn’t get the hint that they thought we should all be fooling around with each other.

  • Guest

    I had no idea it was so bad. Why Are these women allowed to carry on like this? They are worse for society than the race-baiters, IMO.

    What has happened to our country??

    • Stink Boater

      What has happened to our country??

      Liberals/progressives are in control…

    • Stink Boater

      What has happened to our country??

      Liberals/progressives are in control…

  • Guest

    I had no idea it was so bad. Why Are these women allowed to carry on like this? They are worse for society than the race-baiters, IMO.

    What has happened to our country??

  • scottscobig

    Let me first say, I love this letter of yours. Just excellent.

    And that’s where my comment would end if these issues didn’t have a way of politicizing themselves. That is, becoming codified by law or prevented by it.

    But, alas, my dreamed of separation between state and social issues; between state and the market; between state and war; between state and welfare are not to be.

    And as freedom continues to die a tortured, lonely death, many will continue to be politically distracted by this and a plethora of other issues.

  • scottscobig

    Let me first say, I love this letter of yours. Just excellent.

    And that’s where my comment would end if these issues didn’t have a way of politicizing themselves. That is, becoming codified by law or prevented by it.

    But, alas, my dreamed of separation between state and social issues; between state and the market; between state and war; between state and welfare are not to be.

    And as freedom continues to die a tortured, lonely death, many will continue to be politically distracted by this and a plethora of other issues.

  • Paul G

    We need more professors like Mike Adams!

  • Paul G

    We need more professors like Mike Adams!

  • MeanGranny

    You know, we taxpayers are the ones supporting the state schools where this crap goes on. We have no say in how our money is spent. It’s about time that the state legislatures started riding herd on this garbage. We, as taxpayers, need to take the colleges back. Remember, this is where public school teachers are trained, and then they go on to indoctrinate our kids.

  • MeanGranny

    You know, we taxpayers are the ones supporting the state schools where this crap goes on. We have no say in how our money is spent. It’s about time that the state legislatures started riding herd on this garbage. We, as taxpayers, need to take the colleges back. Remember, this is where public school teachers are trained, and then they go on to indoctrinate our kids.

  • MeanGranny

    You know, we taxpayers are the ones supporting the state schools where this crap goes on. We have no say in how our money is spent. It’s about time that the state legislatures started riding herd on this garbage. We, as taxpayers, need to take the colleges back. Remember, this is where public school teachers are trained, and then they go on to indoctrinate our kids.

  • ladybev

    Bravo to this professor for standing up for his standards. I was just told “maybe you shouldn’t be judging lest you be judged” after making a statement about the tasteless, disgusting and shameful act put on by Miley Cyrus! Yes, of course, it came from a liberal.

  • wontshutup

    Nice!

  • wontshutup

    Nice!

  • wontshutup

    Nice!

  • eandrews53

    I am speechless and deeply saddened.

  • eandrews53

    I am speechless and deeply saddened.

  • eandrews53

    I am speechless and deeply saddened.

  • GovSlacker

    Wasn’t a recent Dean for the University a feminist from Wellesley College? No that was Duke. But it is the same everywhere. North Carolina has allowed their program to be taken over by feminist radicals. Universities have no qualifications or standards for their professors other than political extremism be a part of their resume. Higher education has sunken to a gutter level. Soon places like China will be building their own Universities free from this crap and foreigner students will soon be staying out of the US. Our Universities and Colleges once set the standard for excellence. Now there are just a haven for unemployable Leftest radicals – Godless creatures spreading mental illness wherever they go. They will put an end to civilization as we know it. Behold the dark ages are coming – again.

  • GovSlacker

    Wasn’t a recent Dean for the University a feminist from Wellesley College? No that was Duke. But it is the same everywhere. North Carolina has allowed their program to be taken over by feminist radicals. Universities have no qualifications or standards for their professors other than political extremism be a part of their resume. Higher education has sunken to a gutter level. Soon places like China will be building their own Universities free from this crap and foreigner students will soon be staying out of the US. Our Universities and Colleges once set the standard for excellence. Now there are just a haven for unemployable Leftest radicals – Godless creatures spreading mental illness wherever they go. They will put an end to civilization as we know it. Behold the dark ages are coming – again.

  • GovSlacker

    Wasn’t a recent Dean for the University a feminist from Wellesley College? No that was Duke. But it is the same everywhere. North Carolina has allowed their program to be taken over by feminist radicals. Universities have no qualifications or standards for their professors other than political extremism be a part of their resume. Higher education has sunken to a gutter level. Soon places like China will be building their own Universities free from this crap and foreigner students will soon be staying out of the US. Our Universities and Colleges once set the standard for excellence. Now there are just a haven for unemployable Leftest radicals – Godless creatures spreading mental illness wherever they go. They will put an end to civilization as we know it. Behold the dark ages are coming – again.

  • Shirley Francis Hauck

    Kudos to you mr. Adams. I thank god we still have men in our country to stand up for what is moral and right.you have the respect of many Americans. Keep up the good work!!

  • Shirley Francis Hauck

    Kudos to you mr. Adams. I thank god we still have men in our country to stand up for what is moral and right.you have the respect of many Americans. Keep up the good work!!

  • slickzip

    Will said

  • Lori

    I vote for Mike Adams

  • Lori

    I vote for Mike Adams

    • Lori

      ..as biggest embarrassment that is

      • pfrman1

        Reminds me of another extremely illogical vote in history: “Give us Barabbas. We want Barabbas”…..

  • Lori

    I vote for Mike Adams

  • [email protected]

    Uber Slam! You Go Adams! Adams for Governor!!!!!!!!

  • [email protected]

    Uber Slam! You Go Adams! Adams for Governor!!!!!!!!

  • [email protected]

    Uber Slam! You Go Adams! Adams for Governor!!!!!!!!

  • ballpark1981

    HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, kind of like the woman who had her bike stolen and then saw it for sale on craigslist, when she told police they said they couldn’t help her for at least 24 hours, she didn’t wait and set up a meeting with the thief at a mcd’s, and when she asked if she could test ride it, he said ok just don’t ride off, well guess what SHE DID, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH, SHE TOOK OFF

  • ballpark1981

    HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, kind of like the woman who had her bike stolen and then saw it for sale on craigslist, when she told police they said they couldn’t help her for at least 24 hours, she didn’t wait and set up a meeting with the thief at a mcd’s, and when she asked if she could test ride it, he said ok just don’t ride off, well guess what SHE DID, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH, SHE TOOK OFF

  • Joseph Jr

    Unfortunately this is not limited to our Universities. It is throughout our education system. The immoral is being taught as moral and the insane is being taught as normal. I hope and pray that there are more like Mike Adams.Then again I taught my children and I am now teaching my grandchildren the truth. That without a moral guide and limitations our country and society will implode. They respect God and all of their rights given by him. The understand he founding documents and what they stand for because I burned it into them at an early age. I still believe it is the responsibility of parents and grandparents to teach history and tradition.

  • Joseph Jr

    Unfortunately this is not limited to our Universities. It is throughout our education system. The immoral is being taught as moral and the insane is being taught as normal. I hope and pray that there are more like Mike Adams.Then again I taught my children and I am now teaching my grandchildren the truth. That without a moral guide and limitations our country and society will implode. They respect God and all of their rights given by him. The understand he founding documents and what they stand for because I burned it into them at an early age. I still believe it is the responsibility of parents and grandparents to teach history and tradition.

  • Sheila

    Thank you Michael Adams for exposing the degradation of the
    female gender taught at too many universities.

    REAL feminism is not taught in universities to give young
    women the choice radical feminists demand.
    Why aren’t REAL feminists allotted equal time?

    REAL feminists are the real women.

    REAL women recognize the difference in genders and value the
    differences.

    REAL women are attracted to men.

    REAL women recognize that men like themselves better if
    their women hold them up to high standards.

    REAL women marry men

    REAL women love nurturing their husbands and bringing out
    the best in them so they can go one to be the REAL men of the country.

  • Sheila

    Thank you Michael Adams for exposing the degradation of the
    female gender taught at too many universities.

    REAL feminism is not taught in universities to give young
    women the choice radical feminists demand.
    Why aren’t REAL feminists allotted equal time?

    REAL feminists are the real women.

    REAL women recognize the difference in genders and value the
    differences.

    REAL women are attracted to men.

    REAL women recognize that men like themselves better if
    their women hold them up to high standards.

    REAL women marry men

    REAL women love nurturing their husbands and bringing out
    the best in them so they can go one to be the REAL men of the country.

  • Sheila

    Thank you Michael Adams for exposing the degradation of the
    female gender taught at too many universities.

    REAL feminism is not taught in universities to give young
    women the choice radical feminists demand.
    Why aren’t REAL feminists allotted equal time?

    REAL feminists are the real women.

    REAL women recognize the difference in genders and value the
    differences.

    REAL women are attracted to men.

    REAL women recognize that men like themselves better if
    their women hold them up to high standards.

    REAL women marry men

    REAL women love nurturing their husbands and bringing out
    the best in them so they can go one to be the REAL men of the country.

  • ThePainfulTruth

    Brilliant! And necessary.

  • ThePainfulTruth

    Brilliant! And necessary.

  • ThePainfulTruth

    Brilliant! And necessary.

  • billwhit1357

    NC must truly be a twisted place, and I come from he South, lol!

  • Sheri Watson

    All I could think about while reading this article was the fact that I am pushing and preparing my teens academically and socially for this. Why exactly?

  • Sheri Watson

    All I could think about while reading this article was the fact that I am pushing and preparing my teens academically and socially for this. Why exactly?

    • mllyjul

      There is Hillsdale College. They don’t take a dime of govenrment money so the govenment can not dictate to them. It is definitley worth it to search for conservative colleges and there are some out there. Good luck.

      • Sheri Watson

        They are definitely on our list . I know a Hillsdale graduate and an older teen who is leaning toward Hillsdale!

    • mllyjul

      There is Hillsdale College. They don’t take a dime of govenrment money so the govenment can not dictate to them. It is definitley worth it to search for conservative colleges and there are some out there. Good luck.

  • Sheri Watson

    All I could think about while reading this article was the fact that I am pushing and preparing my teens academically and socially for this. Why exactly?

  • Hank G.

    Great Response!

  • Hank G.

    Great Response!

  • KoolAidNinja

    Who send their kids to a place like this?

  • KoolAidNinja

    Who send their kids to a place like this?

  • firegirl

    The truth hurts, doesn’t it, Ed?

  • firegirl

    The truth hurts, doesn’t it, Ed?

  • Shockadj

    I was shocked that the students of NC are experiences with subject matters that will only lead them to a live without interity or morals. Is this what we want? Our future leader with these lessons engraved in their minds. I am for marriage between a man and woman. I also strongly feel that our country was founded on Godly principles and the reason for the success in this country. However, I also think that Christian value need to be restored in the classrooms, court systems, and the government.

  • Shockadj

    I was shocked that the students of NC are experiences with subject matters that will only lead them to a live without interity or morals. Is this what we want? Our future leader with these lessons engraved in their minds. I am for marriage between a man and woman. I also strongly feel that our country was founded on Godly principles and the reason for the success in this country. However, I also think that Christian value need to be restored in the classrooms, court systems, and the government.

  • arturo

    the 1st. sin commited was by a women, so as women go so does the world, but their hope…Then the virgin Mary gave birth to……

  • arturo

    the 1st. sin commited was by a women, so as women go so does the world, but their hope…Then the virgin Mary gave birth to……

  • RufusChoate

    The great thing to realize is the Left has over played their hand and we are seeing the beginning of the twilight of the overpriced and irrelevant higher education establishment. Study of general knowledge have shown that student knowledge is static for the first 3 and 1/2 years of schools in the elite schools and the only practical education occurs during the final year’s internship.
    Today, the Liberal Arts Academy is a meaningless conglomeration of appetites and grievance mongers producing little of lasting value and degrees of no value.
    The Internet, technology and home schooling will revolutionize education and bankrupt the corrupt bell jar.

  • RufusChoate

    The great thing to realize is the Left has over played their hand and we are seeing the beginning of the twilight of the overpriced and irrelevant higher education establishment. Study of general knowledge have shown that student knowledge is static for the first 3 and 1/2 years of schools in the elite schools and the only practical education occurs during the final year’s internship.
    Today, the Liberal Arts Academy is a meaningless conglomeration of appetites and grievance mongers producing little of lasting value and degrees of no value.
    The Internet, technology and home schooling will revolutionize education and bankrupt the corrupt bell jar.

  • RufusChoate

    The great thing to realize is the Left has over played their hand and we are seeing the beginning of the twilight of the overpriced and irrelevant higher education establishment. Study of general knowledge have shown that student knowledge is static for the first 3 and 1/2 years of schools in the elite schools and the only practical education occurs during the final year’s internship.
    Today, the Liberal Arts Academy is a meaningless conglomeration of appetites and grievance mongers producing little of lasting value and degrees of no value.
    The Internet, technology and home schooling will revolutionize education and bankrupt the corrupt bell jar.

  • SCS

    Funny how working and going to school at UNC (and obviously living in North Carolina) and I’ve heard of none of this. I’ve heard a few embarrassing and idiotic things happening here, but none of this. Wait, its not funny, since there are no sources on any of it.

  • SCS

    Funny how working and going to school at UNC (and obviously living in North Carolina) and I’ve heard of none of this. I’ve heard a few embarrassing and idiotic things happening here, but none of this. Wait, its not funny, since there are no sources on any of it.

  • SCS

    Funny how working and going to school at UNC (and obviously living in North Carolina) and I’ve heard of none of this. I’ve heard a few embarrassing and idiotic things happening here, but none of this. Wait, its not funny, since there are no sources on any of it.

  • crosenau

    hey “ED”.. if you read this.. YOU are the embarrassment.

  • crosenau

    hey “ED”.. if you read this.. YOU are the embarrassment.

  • crosenau

    hey “ED”.. if you read this.. YOU are the embarrassment.

  • commonsense_is_dead

    Wow! Just wow!

    • Tazz2293

      You took the words right out of my mouth.

      I would like to add.

      WTF has happened to America. This is total depravity on display for all to see. Not so long ago the people putting on these displays of perversion would be arrested, censured or down right run out of town.

      I state again, WTF!

      Parents, is this what you pay tens of thousands of dollars for for your childs education?

      Again, WTF.

      Its time we run these perverts out of town and out of this country.

    • Tazz2293

      You took the words right out of my mouth.

      I would like to add.

      WTF has happened to America. This is total depravity on display for all to see. Not so long ago the people putting on these displays of perversion would be arrested, censured or down right run out of town.

      I state again, WTF!

      Parents, is this what you pay tens of thousands of dollars for for your childs education?

      Again, WTF.

      Its time we run these perverts out of town and out of this country.

    • Tazz2293

      You took the words right out of my mouth.

      I would like to add.

      WTF has happened to America. This is total depravity on display for all to see. Not so long ago the people putting on these displays of perversion would be arrested, censured or down right run out of town.

      I state again, WTF!

      Parents, is this what you pay tens of thousands of dollars for for your childs education?

      Again, WTF.

      Its time we run these perverts out of town and out of this country.

  • commonsense_is_dead

    Wow! Just wow!

  • Randy Davenport

    My father was friends with Robert Madison, founder of Western Carolina University. Dr. Madison was a gentleman and scholarly with a heart for teaching people, from what I understand. He is spinning in his grave over what Western has become!
    WCU class 1989

  • Randy Davenport

    My father was friends with Robert Madison, founder of Western Carolina University. Dr. Madison was a gentleman and scholarly with a heart for teaching people, from what I understand. He is spinning in his grave over what Western has become!
    WCU class 1989

  • Randy Davenport

    My father was friends with Robert Madison, founder of Western Carolina University. Dr. Madison was a gentleman and scholarly with a heart for teaching people, from what I understand. He is spinning in his grave over what Western has become!
    WCU class 1989

  • Zappa

    THANK YOU Dr. Adams for bringing this to the world’s attention. You have taken your valuable time to attend to this matter. The information you provided was disturbing to me and I am sure others, for more than one reason.. I am a parent of a 17 year old, and am assisting him with the search the for the right campus. One must wonder if the students that took part in the described endeavors, have any idea how they will enter the workforce to pay off their student debt. Surely they may make headlines on their campus newspapers and blogs, but are their co-signers for their loans aware of how they are spending their time. I doubt it. One trillion dollars in student debt speaks very loudly, God help these poor students who have wasted their time and their co-signers money, and please someone place a tool in their hand so that they can learn to change a tire or fix their leaking pipes, as my guess is they will not be able to afford these skilled personnel when they Get Out.
    Thank you again, you are 100% correct and this Country needs more people like you!

  • Zappa

    THANK YOU Dr. Adams for bringing this to the world’s attention. You have taken your valuable time to attend to this matter. The information you provided was disturbing to me and I am sure others, for more than one reason.. I am a parent of a 17 year old, and am assisting him with the search the for the right campus. One must wonder if the students that took part in the described endeavors, have any idea how they will enter the workforce to pay off their student debt. Surely they may make headlines on their campus newspapers and blogs, but are their co-signers for their loans aware of how they are spending their time. I doubt it. One trillion dollars in student debt speaks very loudly, God help these poor students who have wasted their time and their co-signers money, and please someone place a tool in their hand so that they can learn to change a tire or fix their leaking pipes, as my guess is they will not be able to afford these skilled personnel when they Get Out.
    Thank you again, you are 100% correct and this Country needs more people like you!

  • Zappa

    THANK YOU Dr. Adams for bringing this to the world’s attention. You have taken your valuable time to attend to this matter. The information you provided was disturbing to me and I am sure others, for more than one reason.. I am a parent of a 17 year old, and am assisting him with the search the for the right campus. One must wonder if the students that took part in the described endeavors, have any idea how they will enter the workforce to pay off their student debt. Surely they may make headlines on their campus newspapers and blogs, but are their co-signers for their loans aware of how they are spending their time. I doubt it. One trillion dollars in student debt speaks very loudly, God help these poor students who have wasted their time and their co-signers money, and please someone place a tool in their hand so that they can learn to change a tire or fix their leaking pipes, as my guess is they will not be able to afford these skilled personnel when they Get Out.
    Thank you again, you are 100% correct and this Country needs more people like you!

  • GRITSMama

    Patrick Henry College, Hillsdale, Grove City, Bob Jones, Kings College (New York City), Regent- just to name a few, of the handful of colleges that you can trust to send your children and your hard earned money to.

  • GRITSMama

    Patrick Henry College, Hillsdale, Grove City, Bob Jones, Kings College (New York City), Regent- just to name a few, of the handful of colleges that you can trust to send your children and your hard earned money to.

  • Mr_Miyagi

    #8. Rather than move the pictures, the Provost probably should have called the police and let them arrest the “artist” for displaying his child pornography. The prof could then argue his case of “academic freedom” with the local prosecutor who might not be as sympathetic as the school’s faculty.

  • Mr_Miyagi

    #8. Rather than move the pictures, the Provost probably should have called the police and let them arrest the “artist” for displaying his child pornography. The prof could then argue his case of “academic freedom” with the local prosecutor who might not be as sympathetic as the school’s faculty.

  • Mr_Miyagi

    #8. Rather than move the pictures, the Provost probably should have called the police and let them arrest the “artist” for displaying his child pornography. The prof could then argue his case of “academic freedom” with the local prosecutor who might not be as sympathetic as the school’s faculty.

  • Dr Bob DeYoung

    Absolutely agree with this. I was one of the most popular profs at a SUNY college. Students literally lined up to get into my psych classes, and I loved teaching. I moderated two on-campus debates (both were standing-room only):” Creation v. Evolution: what is more scientific?”, and, “Liberal v. Conservative: who has the edge?” Even though I was only the moderator, I was asked to leave after the second debate. I taught there for four years, but I wasn’t tenured-so “no explanation” was necessary, despite consistently glowing reviews by my students. The vast majority of college campuses in the US have become propaganda mills, spewing out leftist misinformation and an immoral breeding ground.

  • Dr Bob DeYoung

    Absolutely agree with this. I was one of the most popular profs at a SUNY college. Students literally lined up to get into my psych classes, and I loved teaching. I moderated two on-campus debates (both were standing-room only):” Creation v. Evolution: what is more scientific?”, and, “Liberal v. Conservative: who has the edge?” Even though I was only the moderator, I was asked to leave after the second debate. I taught there for four years, but I wasn’t tenured-so “no explanation” was necessary, despite consistently glowing reviews by my students. The vast majority of college campuses in the US have become propaganda mills, spewing out leftist misinformation and an immoral breeding ground.

  • paco12348

    I am of the opinion most University Professors complete the destructive indoctrination of the students begun in public schools. This is why the Feds should NEVER be in charge of the Dept of Ed. This is why most Universities should be burned to the ground along with the Professors teaching the type of behavior you outlined.
    It was said long ago the way to destroy America was through their youth. We are seeing that played out today.

    • madamsismyhero

      yap. ur own weapon is back firing.

  • paco12348

    I am of the opinion most University Professors complete the destructive indoctrination of the students begun in public schools. This is why the Feds should NEVER be in charge of the Dept of Ed. This is why most Universities should be burned to the ground along with the Professors teaching the type of behavior you outlined.
    It was said long ago the way to destroy America was through their youth. We are seeing that played out today.

  • paco12348

    I am of the opinion most University Professors complete the destructive indoctrination of the students begun in public schools. This is why the Feds should NEVER be in charge of the Dept of Ed. This is why most Universities should be burned to the ground along with the Professors teaching the type of behavior you outlined.
    It was said long ago the way to destroy America was through their youth. We are seeing that played out today.

  • Ardvark01

    Have taught at the community college and university level in NC for over 16 years. The public education system is a joke. Have had numerous students who could barely read or write. Most complained about receiving low grades when they had received “A”s in high school. One glaring thing about them is they make decisions based solely on emotion and not objective facts, of course this makes them excellent choices to be Democratic (socialist) party voters. In NC the socialism starts in elementary school with parents being given a list of school supplies to purchase, the child brings it to school, the teacher places it in a storage area and distributes it to all of the students, thus they learn fairness ( socialism). But since that subject is never taught in schools they never know what it is! Kruschev of the former USSR ( now Russia. ) said many years ago that they would not need to attack our country, that we would destroy ourselves from within. We are working hard at it.

  • Ardvark01

    Have taught at the community college and university level in NC for over 16 years. The public education system is a joke. Have had numerous students who could barely read or write. Most complained about receiving low grades when they had received “A”s in high school. One glaring thing about them is they make decisions based solely on emotion and not objective facts, of course this makes them excellent choices to be Democratic (socialist) party voters. In NC the socialism starts in elementary school with parents being given a list of school supplies to purchase, the child brings it to school, the teacher places it in a storage area and distributes it to all of the students, thus they learn fairness ( socialism). But since that subject is never taught in schools they never know what it is! Kruschev of the former USSR ( now Russia. ) said many years ago that they would not need to attack our country, that we would destroy ourselves from within. We are working hard at it.

  • Ardvark01

    Have taught at the community college and university level in NC for over 16 years. The public education system is a joke. Have had numerous students who could barely read or write. Most complained about receiving low grades when they had received “A”s in high school. One glaring thing about them is they make decisions based solely on emotion and not objective facts, of course this makes them excellent choices to be Democratic (socialist) party voters. In NC the socialism starts in elementary school with parents being given a list of school supplies to purchase, the child brings it to school, the teacher places it in a storage area and distributes it to all of the students, thus they learn fairness ( socialism). But since that subject is never taught in schools they never know what it is! Kruschev of the former USSR ( now Russia. ) said many years ago that they would not need to attack our country, that we would destroy ourselves from within. We are working hard at it.

  • Jerry Camp

    To speak in the current vernacular, “This guy’s for reals, yo!”

  • Jerry Camp

    To speak in the current vernacular, “This guy’s for reals, yo!”

  • Jerry Camp

    To speak in the current vernacular, “This guy’s for reals, yo!”

  • SWohio

    And for taking those classes, people incur massive student loan debt? I believe that would be THEIR problem for being stupid.

  • SWohio

    And for taking those classes, people incur massive student loan debt? I believe that would be THEIR problem for being stupid.

  • bobby poon

    I knew there must be a sane voice in the wilderness of NC gubmint education.

  • bobby poon

    I knew there must be a sane voice in the wilderness of NC gubmint education.

  • Dencal26

    A few years ago my daughter was a student at Towson University. She said she could receive extra credit if she attended a speech one evening and asked my opinion. I told her that she should attend and take the extra credit. She never told me who was giving the speech until later that evening in a text message ” Dad, who is Angela Davis”?
    Yes extra credit to hear a cop killing Black Leader of the Communist Party USA

  • Dencal26

    A few years ago my daughter was a student at Towson University. She said she could receive extra credit if she attended a speech one evening and asked my opinion. I told her that she should attend and take the extra credit. She never told me who was giving the speech until later that evening in a text message ” Dad, who is Angela Davis”?
    Yes extra credit to hear a cop killing Black Leader of the Communist Party USA

  • Dencal26

    A few years ago my daughter was a student at Towson University. She said she could receive extra credit if she attended a speech one evening and asked my opinion. I told her that she should attend and take the extra credit. She never told me who was giving the speech until later that evening in a text message ” Dad, who is Angela Davis”?
    Yes extra credit to hear a cop killing Black Leader of the Communist Party USA

  • Lynn Fisher Richter

    Feminist studies = the real war on women.

  • Lynn Fisher Richter

    Feminist studies = the real war on women.

  • Lynn Fisher Richter

    Feminist studies = the real war on women.

  • tiredwasp

    I know someone who was trained to teach at University of Pittsburgh and left academia due to this sort of thing. Actually MOST of the students left and tried to get real jobs, leaving teaching to the people singing the Star S Banner with sparklers in their butts. All the people were getting mega grants for this kind of art. The “national endowment for the arts” are all that would ever pay them.

    It’s really sad. Many people work hard, hoping to study things that interest them, but the university is no place to go for a real education.

    People said that even when I was going— another problem. As a student, you know it’s crap, but you feel getting a piece of paper might help you in a “job market” that for generations has been all about nightly news regarding how horrible it is. Like the real creativity wasn’t allowed to thrive in the u.s., not really, after some certain point.

  • tiredwasp

    I know someone who was trained to teach at University of Pittsburgh and left academia due to this sort of thing. Actually MOST of the students left and tried to get real jobs, leaving teaching to the people singing the Star S Banner with sparklers in their butts. All the people were getting mega grants for this kind of art. The “national endowment for the arts” are all that would ever pay them.

    It’s really sad. Many people work hard, hoping to study things that interest them, but the university is no place to go for a real education.

    People said that even when I was going— another problem. As a student, you know it’s crap, but you feel getting a piece of paper might help you in a “job market” that for generations has been all about nightly news regarding how horrible it is. Like the real creativity wasn’t allowed to thrive in the u.s., not really, after some certain point.

  • tiredwasp

    I know someone who was trained to teach at University of Pittsburgh and left academia due to this sort of thing. Actually MOST of the students left and tried to get real jobs, leaving teaching to the people singing the Star S Banner with sparklers in their butts. All the people were getting mega grants for this kind of art. The “national endowment for the arts” are all that would ever pay them.

    It’s really sad. Many people work hard, hoping to study things that interest them, but the university is no place to go for a real education.

    People said that even when I was going— another problem. As a student, you know it’s crap, but you feel getting a piece of paper might help you in a “job market” that for generations has been all about nightly news regarding how horrible it is. Like the real creativity wasn’t allowed to thrive in the u.s., not really, after some certain point.

  • thatsitivehadenough

    Just google ’45 Goals of Communism’ and see how many HAVE NOT already been achieved.

  • thatsitivehadenough

    Just google ’45 Goals of Communism’ and see how many HAVE NOT already been achieved.

  • Richard Treadgold

    Brilliant. Modern liberals occasionally stray from reason.

  • Richard Treadgold

    Brilliant. Modern liberals occasionally stray from reason.

  • Richard Treadgold

    Brilliant. Modern liberals occasionally stray from reason.

  • jeffreydsmith

    This letter is awesome beyond words! Go, sir!

  • Karen

    This is helpful for the hiring process.

  • quillerm

    Priceless! Radical leftists can’t seem to understand that depravity, debauchery and deviancy may be the values of average Liberals, but conservatives have more traditional, down to earth ideals. If everyone was a pervert, who would be different and make life interesting.

  • quillerm

    Priceless! Radical leftists can’t seem to understand that depravity, debauchery and deviancy may be the values of average Liberals, but conservatives have more traditional, down to earth ideals. If everyone was a pervert, who would be different and make life interesting.

  • slotr

    Hold on Mike Adams! did not even know that in America were men with eggs! Greetings from Russia, we men love women and not men! Google translation I’m sorry ((

    • Andrey

      Mike Bravo! Same-sex marriage is against God! You Americans, write to dollorov words – “We believe in God” and allow gay marriages. How do you understand? God created man and woman, he told the people to have children in marriage, and how the two can be a gay family? It’s a shame! Two gay men can not educate the mentally normal child, because they themselves with head injuries! Do you think we, Russian, bad people, but we have normal family in which there is mom and dad, and we are against that couple would be able to create perverts family. (google translator)

  • popravka22

    I think the feminism is manifestation of freedom, but this kind of freedom looks terrible for me. The freedom for someone is just possibility to demonstrate his genitals on public place, and it`s problem not only for USA. I think the main problem is low culture level in any society. I can`t have any other understanding for this situation. I hope you will have enough power for protection of traditional values. From Russia with respect, Alex aka Catch-22.

  • Евгений Дорошев

    You’re good) Respect!

  • andrey

    Great text. Good luck.

  • Konstantin

    Generally it should be hard to think about a healthy community world-is it not a mutation or other nature of this behavior! Fag or pedophile zoophyte in countries with nuclear weapons, not whether there is a threat to humanity? maybe it’s time to do disinfection!

  • Timur

    Professor still fired … should invite him to Russia to teach criminology, still adequate and normal person

    • Yauhen Yakimenka

      I guess he would be rather shocked by the way Russian police and justice work ;)

      • ABC

        I am sorry to interrupt, but what do you know about Russia?

        • Yauhen Yakimenka

          At least that police&courts are not reliable institutions at all and the way they work depends strongly on how many “friends” you have (so-called “blat”) OR how much you could bribe them.

          • mAdamsIsmyhero

            how do u know it? saw it on fox channel? Tell me, where did mafia originated to a degree where it begun to take over the government, then is slowly transcended into corporations that bribing”lobbying” politicians and so on, and tell me, when private side gives 300 million dollars for someones election, there is no way, that they would demand him to defend their interests, right? Nah its only in Russian Federation courts and police are corrupt, sure sure. Its just the same, as being thinking that u r woman in a men’s body is different then for someone to think he is napoleon or Jesus Christ .

          • Yauhen Yakimenka

            I know it after living for a year in Moscow and talking a lot to the local people.
            And please don’t change the topic. The question in that comment was about Russian justice. And you are trying to say that other countries have problems too, while not saying anything about Russian justice.

          • Swiss_Talk

            Hey! Me knows! I work with the Russian courts and police daily! Tell ME how good they are!

  • Russian

    America wake up! Gays are not normal people! Feminists destroy your society! Such as you can stand it! They will destroy America!

    • Swiss_Talk

      And you destroy Russian society. Shoul we ban you?

  • Yauhen Yakimenka

    It’s so funny to first read Posting Policy – “no tolerance for comments containing violence, racism…”, and then see all the homophobic comments. So all races are equal but not all sexual orientations are? Isn’t that a bit hypocritical?

    • popravka22

      To be honest, do you really want to have as your parents would be two gays? So, what wrong if I am saying about it? Is it violence or racism? I am not homophobic but I am not love homosexualism at all. I don`t like even think about which kind of happiness gay has found in strange ass. Not in battle, not in science, not in business but in ass! Wonderful! Yes, some people don`t looks like me. No problem. But what for they shout about true love in ass? I don`t change them, so I will ask them don`t touching me!

      • Adamsismyhero

        nah. its only two ways. u in love with gays or u homophobe. That’s it.. Its clinical case. Its just spoiled kids or people with enormous ego’s, they are always victims, even “when they pulled the trigger”. they are never wrong, u r follower or u r enemy and stuff like that.

    • Milonov Grigory

      Exactly! All races are equal, but not all sexual orientations are!

      • Yauhen Yakimenka

        Well, the same stuff happened in US 50-60 years ago, but about race. Now different races are OK (which I strongly support) but s.o. are not. In 30 years homophobia will be considered as stupid, the same was as we nowadays think about racism.

        • Milonov Grigory

          You just mechanically applying the template without understanding the depth of matter. Whereas the biology tell us that all races are equal, the same biology tell us that there are normal sexual orientation and some sexual deviations.

          • Yauhen Yakimenka

            1. Biology does not say anything about equality. It’s human beings who came to the idea of equality. Biology tells us about survival of the strongest.

            2. Again, biology does not call sexual orientation “normal” but registers same-sex relationships in many species. Again, it’s the human who understands the idea of equality.

            3. If you imply that “normal sexual orientation” is the one which allows to give a birth to a child, then I should point out that population of homo sapiens is so successful as biological species because of science and technology. And not because we parturiate more children than others.

            4. The original article was about a bit different topic. So it’s better not to waste time on comments here.

          • Milonov Grigory

            Oh yeah! Equality – the right word. What it means? I think it is about possibility to use one thing instead of another with the same result. If we talking about family – as a “cell of society, self reproducing and self-sustaining, with stronger inner relationships and division of labor and duties” – then it is about man and woman. There are no equal substitution with combinations of man&man or woman&woman… These are not a families – so must be different denotation for tis type of relationship.

          • Swiss_Talk

            Family is the group of loving people, period.

          • Milonov Grigory

            You’ve missed two more periods at the end. (ellipsis!) :)
            There are a lot of information about family even in wiki. Just read! A family, a family economics etc. You’re under delusion because the modern civilization esp in developed countries tolerates these deviations – in periods of prosperity. In periods of severity classic family proved its persistence whereas the deviations are loses.

          • Swiss_Talk

            Proof?

          • Milonov Grigory

            What? You’ve been banned in google or wiki? :) All historical precedents I’ve heard – they are all about classic family. I cannot remember any occurrences of societies with homo-families. Tell me if You do.

            Moreover – there are many evidences when the rise of tolerance to homosexual relations strongly correlated with decadence of civilisation (Roman Empire e.g.)

            So – my opinion is the ‘homo-families’ can survive only in societies where concurrence between families is suppressed, prohibited etc. If that suppression will disappear, then classic families will supersede the deviant ones during one generation.

          • Swiss_Talk

            “In periods of severity classic family proved its persistence whereas the deviations are loses”

            proof this

          • Milonov Grigory

            Just again:
            All historical precedents I’ve heard – they are all about classic
            family. I cannot remember any occurrences of societies with
            homo-families. __Tell__ __me__ __if__ __You__ __do__.
            What about persistent civilizations or societies with homo-families?

          • MikeAdmasMyhero

            5 % can not be equal with 95% right? or can it? Well rich elite 1% certainly thinks that they are more important then the rest, so are you as well? Well then just this is the ticket in to sanitarium.
            Difference between human and animals is, that we do not live by our instinct but our intellect! Spread of ur kind is a way to degrade back to apes. So if u like ur way, go find a place in desert or north pole, and build ur own country. I wonder how long will u survive, how would u multiply and so on..

          • Yauhen Yakimenka

            Stop misinterpreting my words! I am talking exactly about difference of human beings and animals.

            And yes, 5% should be equal to 95%. I mean equality of rights and opportunities. Or if you don’t consider them equal, let’s imprison all the people voted for libertarians! *SARCASM* They are less than 2%, so majority could dominate them.

          • Swiss_Talk

            you’re not intelligent, so I consider you a lower species and have a right to discriminate you.

    • 4ever

      Not all sexual orientations are equal, because looking by statistics homosexual kids have more venereal, more disordered sex, more varied. They make society worse. Just statistic.

      • Yauhen Yakimenka

        First of all, could you please support your point with references to scientific papers?

        But even if you are right, what’s the problem with “more disordered sex”, etc.? I agree it could contradict your moral values, but that’s it!

        “Bad society” and “good society” are rather subjective terms. You have the right to dislike it, but you don’t have the right to ban it.

      • Swiss_Talk

        Show me this statistics

  • Tatyana

    Dear Mr. Adams, thanks a lot for your healthy position. St. Petersburg, Russia is supporting you!

    • Olga

      and not only Russia )))))

    • Михаил

      Novosibirsk, Siberia fully supporting you.
      Intimacy is a personal relationship and not made ​​public.

    • 4ever

      Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine too

    • Swiss_Talk

      Mister Milonov, log in, please!

  • http://www.raimorrison.ca/ rai Morrison

    one bad thing doesn’t make the other bad thing good by comparison. Hiding behind instances that YOU (one person) think are bad to divert attention from yourself is pretty lame.

  • Michael

    Feminism and gay propaganda are wrong ways to buld America’s future. Of course the USA should keep the freedom of speech and views. But such things like feminim must not prevail and gay families who raise children must not even exsist. America has to develop with its traditional values. People who shame our national anthem can only corrupt our future. They freaking cannot bring benefits to the United States if they dishonor symbols of our country. Let’s take a look at the Europe, their original culture slowly decays in the dirt of radical tolerance. This way their nations became weaker. We must not be so. I hope we won’t. Best wishes from Michael, American of Russian origin, Boston, MA.

  • Sergey Titov

    Cant belive situation is so bad in USA.Its like “1984″ then you cant be normal.If someone dont like gays he is stupid, if someone likes it is clever position. Freedom is something that let you be yourself.And if i dont like gays or femenists im badguy???Its just my point of view.And people must respect my opinion.But in USA you have no choice. God i thank you i am Russian.

    • Swiss_Talk

      Have you ever heard of the First amendment? Try it in Russia!

  • Wolfy Ghalkhani

    Pray for America, it has lost its friggen mind.

  • Nickanore

    Sergey Titov: your “can’t believe”, does it imply that have never heard this name Snowden? 1984 is inevitable future of this imperium as that of any imperium that tends to be perfect.

  • Wes

    Wow, I’m surprised at how many Russians are commenting on this article! Is it popular in Russia…?

    • Konstantin

      Ukrainians also

    • Swiss_Talk

      Most of the Russians have no idea what you guys study in your universities, so they freak out in a way. The thing is you can’t come up with a course you want to teach people without the Ministry’s approval in Russia, that’s why Russians don’t understand your higher education. Besides, lotsa people in Russia are shy and conservative when it comes to the sex talks. Oral sex is taboo for almost 50%, so no wonder they freaked out.

      • Evan Dickinson

        Well the solution to being sheepish about sex is not declaring that every possible sex act under the sun is important or worthy of study.

  • Joe

    I hope, Wes, that certain laws in Russia become popular here; i.e., the one forbidding public displays of homosexuality. It seems Russia and India have become the moral compass for the world. Who would have thought a country that for 75 years was officially atheistic would advocate on the side of morality! However, as long as there is a homosexual in the White House trying to fundamentally change the national morality and offering unconditional support for others trying to do the same thing, America will not manifest the courage to just say no to sexual deviation.

  • theAdmirer

    Mike Adams is my NEW HERO!!! GO GO GO!!!

  • 4ever

    Wow) Does America still have some normal mans? Not gay, not henpecked? One from 240 millions)) Not too much)

  • Hasan

    Mr. Adams Azerbaijan fully supports you! People like you are the hope of the world for the clean and better future! Never give up, you are on the right way! The humanity needs healthy minded people like you! May God help you!

  • David

    Mike Adams has a lot of supporters. In Russia and Saudi Arabia.

  • Michael

    It’s popular among people from Russia because some religious freaks in Russia have highlighted it on their profiles in social networks and their readers instantly rushed here and to Google Translate.That religious freaks are dumb and stupid people. For example, they claimed for putting blasphemers out of law, they fought supporters of Pussy Riot hard, attacked Winery. There is a huge difference between smart and intelligent conservatives like Mike Adams and religious nutjobs and their fans who are just non compos mentis.

    • JJSA

      Hi, Michael!

      How many Russians do you know personally? :)

      • Michael

        To Mihail and JJSA

        Hi.
        You got me wrong, I only wrote about the religious fanatics in Russia. I didn’t mean to blame all people of Russia for anything, I think you misunderstood me because you don’t know English well enough.

        So stop blaming “evil” americans for their “hostile feelings” to other nations. You blame me for ignorance, but you even don’t know English enough to get the message of the text correctly.

        And about Russians. I belong to the third generation of Americans of Russian origin. Though I am not 100% Russian (I have some Irish ancestors) I know a lot of Russian women and men and they are really nice people. And no, I didn’t learn Russian. Do you have any more questions?

        • JJSA

          “You blame me for ignorance, but you even don’t know English enough to get the message of the text correctly.”

          ‘t know any language (in this case English) don’t mean to be ignorant. Attack is the best defense, Yes?*))) You are angry, and therefore you’re wrong. *))

          • Michael

            “You must be very poorly studied history or in your country do not teach it”

            It was about this, you’re mad, JJSA

          • JJSA

            Further
            debate think meaningless, since every party remains unconvinced.
            Someone should stop. And again I don’t fate learn English, then at least
            you learn Russian, then such different people as we are able to
            understand each other*)

          • Michael

            This is a good idea to stop this

          • JJSA

            “You must be very poorly studied history or in your country do not teach it” –

            By the way, it is not I wrote

    • Михаил

      Michael you’re talking about what you know absolutely nothing. Well, what do you call freaks 70% of Russia’s population, it does not paint you. You must be very poorly studied history or in your country do not teach it because it is not democratic?
      sorry for the translator

      • cppartist

        Английский в школе не осилил, я смотрю. Знают они всё и прекрасно понимают, не нужно лезть в потёмки «загодочной русской души», чтобы видеть весь кретинизм, который сейчас мы творим. Большая часть нашего населения – и 70% это оптимистичный прогноз – отупело и бросилось в религию. Жирик кричит — ебаться можно только раз в квартал, ишь распустились! Путин окончательно ебанулся и скоро заставит всех богу молиться, платить церковную десятину и лечиться мощами да молитвами вместо адекватной медицины. Краткое описание происходящего в стране описывается кратко «все ебанулись».

      • Swiss_Talk

        Misha, go and pray

        • Михаил

          with pleasure… but where in my post a word about religion?)
          In less kritin read posts like “cppartist”

          • Swiss_Talk

            I didn’t get you, sorry

    • cppartist

      Nicely said. As a Russian living in Russia I can say that the intelligent and educated part of population despises the current stance of the government on religion and LGBT community. Ancient and savage policies are established and supported in our society by the government and Putin personally. And this all just in time when education system is brought down to it’s knees, population is being dumbed down, and professionals leave country seeking for the better life and future in other countries (especially our scientists and engineers which Russia is famous for). In the last 10 years we somehow allowed our government to throw away secularity and be steered back into 17th century. Some of us fear that what happened in Iran can actually happen to our beloved country and … we can not fight it. The general populace supports the current state of things, once again proving ancient Russian saying — «Force a fool to pray to a god, and he will break his head». Meaning that the fool will get down on his knees and pray so eagerly that he will bash his head onto the floor in his praying and damage himself. All this is just too depressing. Also, please mind the fact that our government understood the importance of the internet well enough that they hire big companies to form “the proper opinions” about Russian views on the internet. Big offices with crazy amount of employees doing one thing — posting comments on the websites that discuss Russian politics and policies, much like the North Korean are trying to do, but on much larger scale. I see this in Russian sector of the internet every day, especially news websites, but i never actually saw it happening outside, on overseas web-resources. Amazing.

    • Larry

      THE CLINTONS:

      DADDY CLINTON:

      “I’M A VEGETARIAN. I EAT VEGETABLES, FISH & CHEESE.

      BABY CLINTON:

      “I’M A VAGAN. I ONLY EAT VEGETABLES & LIVE WITH THEM.

      MOMMY CLINTON:

      “I’M A CARNIVORE. I EAT PUSSY!
      LOTS OF PUSSY & ESPECIALLY HALAL PUSSY!

  • Michael

    P.S. I understand thet Mike Adams is religious too, but he is not radical he doesn’t threaten the rights of other people and social groups unlike those freaks from Russia who attack people

    • John Doeman

      he doesn’t threaten the rights of other people

      voting to prevent gays from marrying is persecution.

      • Evan Dickinson

        Is voting to prevent polygamous marriage persecution?

      • Evan Dickinson

        No it isn’t. They can marry. What you are implying is that considering different things to be different is persecution.

      • Larry Schwensen

        No persecution but a chance for salvation if they repent of their sinful lifestyle and accept Jesus.

        • John Doeman

          gods and religions are created in the imaginations of man.

      • george kaplan

        a gay person has never been denied the right to marry….

        • John Doeman

          a gay person has never been denied the right to marry….

          so that’s why states are having to pass laws to allow gays to marry?
          try to keep up.

  • JJS

    Hello, Mike! How are you?
    Sorry for my bad English. To translate the text into English, I use the
    online translator. I was born and live in Moscow, Russia. 11 January
    2014 in a local newspaper, I read an article about your letter
    (http://www.kp.ru/daily/26179/3069073/). I’m impressed. I fully agree
    with you. If this will not be an invasion of your privacy, could you
    tell how things happened in your life? Have you found a job?
    Wish you
    all the best.

    • Swiss_Talk

      You agree with the person, who once used to be an atheist and democrat, but became a god-believer and republican, fighting against abortions.
      I see you a believer yourself, so I’d advice you to import Mike Adams to Russia, but I live there too, so leave him in NC.

      • Larry

        YO SWISSROLE,

        YOU ARE F–KED!

        SHARIA LAW IS COMING TO A TOWN NEAR YOU & YOU WILL DO WHAT ISLAM DICTATES!

        TAKE IT AS AN “ACT OF GOD”, WHOEVER OR WHATEVER YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE!

        MY THEOLOGY IS PARASITOLOGY!

        PARASITE REX BY CARL ZIMMER IS THE BOOK YOU NEED TO READ.

        • Swiss_Talk

          Vaenga, log in!

        • Me_in_Canada_eh

          NO ONE WILL FORCE ME TO BELIEVE IN ANYONE OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST, YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER. i WOULD BE BLESSED TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK IF SOMEONE ATTACKS ME, BUT i AM NOT DAMNED IF i DEFEND MYSELF.

      • Skid Marks

        WE NEED FAR MORE LIKE MIKE IN AMERICA AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

  • Sam

    A 21st century society like United States is not up to the “moral” standards of a 17th century society like Russia. And 17th century society like Russia is not up to the “moral” standards of 12th century society like Saudi Arabia.

    • Asen

      But US is quite close to the moral standards of Sodom and Gomorrah which is more than ten centuries B.C. This isn’t very modern, is it?

    • Swiss_Talk

      Me, as a Russian, agrees

    • John Doeman

      if the religious aren’t persecuting gays they’re demonizing the russians.

      they’re a sorry lot of warmongering animals.

  • Konstantin

    21. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    22. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    23. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
    24. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
    25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    26. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    27. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    28. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    29. Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    30. Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    31. Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    32. Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
    (Romans 1:21-32)

    • John Doeman

      gods and religions are created in the imaginations of man.

      • Larry

        John, I will pray for you, you sick, twisted fool.

  • John Doeman

    only religious myth believers persecute gays.

    the good news!
    As Americans become more secular the religious will lose political power.

    • Freedom

      No the CDC will continue to report exploding rates of stds in our socity and the tyranny of intolerance will only increase. Why there is compete silence on the explosion of syphilis and other extremely dangerous STDs in the gay community?

  • Coombes Larry

    >the good news!
    >As Americans become more secular the religious will lose political power.

    And even better news! As westerners in general become more secular they will be able to use religious believers as slave labour, take their children from them for ‘re-education’ and finally kill said religious believers and dump them in mass graves.

    Cool, huh? After all, that is what every single atheistic state in history has done to the tune of 250 million dead in the 20th Century alone and still counting.

    You can wear a Uniform, carry a gun and kill all sorts of people for the state without trial, representation or notions of justice. Cool, huh? You can even make people just ‘disappear’ and be rewarded for it! But sign up fast before every one wants in on the game! Turn in your neighbours for crimes such as praying in private and win fabulous prizes!

  • Den Zurin

    > only religious myth believers persecute gays.

    No. Gays was persecuted in atheistic USSR. Any healthy society struggles with geeks like gays, pedophiles, zoophiles etc. Of course, modern western society is not healthy.

    • Swiss_Talk

      And succedeed? Any of them?

  • Skid Marks

    ENGAGING IN GAY SEXUAL BEHAVIORS SHOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW TODAY….AS THEY ONCE WERE !

  • tim edens

    It’s your boat, you row it anyway you want. I know exactly where my boat will dock and I pray you know where yours will.

  • Larry Schwensen

    Take all the political leaders of all the nations on the face of the earth and put them on a one way rocket into deep space and then watch most of the problems disappear..

  • barryinnewburg

    And we have state (tax payer) sponsored colleges/universities) for what “greater good”/??

  • frankenbiker

    This is one reason I’m not pushing my kids to continue into college. Instead, I’m encouraging them to travel this great country of ours. I’m even going to pay for it if they don’t go into any cities with a population greater than 10,000. That way they’ll see the the foundations this country was formed from, and not the disaster the city dwelling liberal progressives have made it.

    • tom

      i would suggest that you go with them..small towns ain’t what they used to be

      • frankenbiker

        I planned on joining them, at least while they travel in our home state, and surrounding states. Obviously by my handle I’m a biker, so my wife and I will love to take a few well thought out road trips.

  • Norma Brown

    bravo! I wouldn’t give a dime to higher education today or send my kids to public school. we claim we’re spreading democracy with all our wars — but all we’re spreading is filth and degradation. Our poisonous culture is poisoning everybody else’s culture — no wonder the world is starting to fight back.

  • Christopher Huffman

    America’s culture is a cesspool, an un-flushed toilet. Is anyone surprised that most of the world thinks we are ‘the Great Satan’? It is time to cleanse America of the human garbage that degrade our nation!

  • Mario E. Porrata

    If we can only answer one question, only ONE question, we can solve this suicidal problem. That question is: WHY? WHY are these satanic things happening? Please take notice: These things take place in educational facilities. Is there a plan? From where? By whom?

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  • mony1
  • freedomologist

    Excellent response by Mike Adams. What is sad about his response is that it didn’t seem as though he was lacking for evidence. I bet he could have kept the list going for some time.

  • jtl1

    Or perhaps the United States are reaping the whirlwind already.

    I think it was Brannon Howse who suggested that this isn’t what will bring the judgment of God–this IS the judgment of God. From Romans 1:

    “Wherefore also God gave them up to their own hearts lusts, unto uncleanness, to defile their own bodies between themselves . . . For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections . . . For as they regarded not to acknowledge God, even so God delivered them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.”

    We turned away from God, so God is giving us up! That’s judgment. Only by a heartfelt return to Him can this judgment be lifted.

  • jtl1

    Or perhaps the United States are reaping the whirlwind already.

    I think it was Brannon Howse who suggested that this isn’t what will bring the judgment of God–this IS the judgment of God. From Romans 1:

    “Wherefore also God gave them up to their own hearts lusts, unto uncleanness, to defile their own bodies between themselves . . . For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections . . . For as they regarded not to acknowledge God, even so God delivered them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.”

    We turned away from God, so God is giving us up! That’s judgment. Only by a heartfelt return to Him can this judgment be lifted.

  • jtl1

    Or perhaps the United States are reaping the whirlwind already.

    I think it was Brannon Howse who suggested that this isn’t what will bring the judgment of God–this IS the judgment of God. From Romans 1:

    “Wherefore also God gave them up to their own hearts lusts, unto uncleanness, to defile their own bodies between themselves . . . For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections . . . For as they regarded not to acknowledge God, even so God delivered them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.”

    We turned away from God, so God is giving us up! That’s judgment. Only by a heartfelt return to Him can this judgment be lifted.

  • larrygrant876

    This is the hard part of the story but nonetheless it is part of it and we are around the end of the last chapters that were foretold centuries ago.

  • larrygrant876

    This is the hard part of the story but nonetheless it is part of it and we are around the end of the last chapters that were foretold centuries ago.

  • Apolloone

    I agree I’ve posted the same statement before.

  • Apolloone

    I agree I’ve posted the same statement before.

  • kenhowes

    some truth to that.

  • kenhowes

    some truth to that.

  • Apolloone

    Very well stated Larry and true.

  • sandraleesmith46

    Yes, we are, and I would have cheerfully not been around for this part of it, frankly. But here we are, none-the-less. And we know who is pulling the “strings” on all this.

  • bitterrootbill

    I have mixed emotions in that regard: i believe that “This Generation” began with the birth of Israel in 1948, (Self `47) so I find it tremendously fortunate to have been put here at this time in history.
    On the flip side however, it sucks to see the country you loved and watched Brothers die for end as a Godless, dictatorial society.

  • bitterrootbill

    I have mixed emotions in that regard: i believe that “This Generation” began with the birth of Israel in 1948, (Self `47) so I find it tremendously fortunate to have been put here at this time in history.
    On the flip side however, it sucks to see the country you loved and watched Brothers die for end as a Godless, dictatorial society.

  • bitterrootbill

    I have mixed emotions in that regard: i believe that “This Generation” began with the birth of Israel in 1948, (Self `47) so I find it tremendously fortunate to have been put here at this time in history.
    On the flip side however, it sucks to see the country you loved and watched Brothers die for end as a Godless, dictatorial society.

  • larrygrant876

    Yep, ‘ol Beelzebub. I would have thought that Satan could have found a better looking suit to wear than Obama.

  • larrygrant876

    Yep, ‘ol Beelzebub. I would have thought that Satan could have found a better looking suit to wear than Obama.

  • sandraleesmith46

    That’d be the very dude! You’d think, but O, like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and dozens of others of the same ilk are “perfect” for his purposes; they’re so narcissistic they can’t recognize others as separate from themselves and easily led and drawn at the same time, with the right “lures”, of which he has an ample stock. The inability to recognize others as separate makes them capable of following the agenda without the least compunction, or empathy for those who are hurt by it!

  • sandraleesmith46

    That’d be the very dude! You’d think, but O, like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and dozens of others of the same ilk are “perfect” for his purposes; they’re so narcissistic they can’t recognize others as separate from themselves and easily led and drawn at the same time, with the right “lures”, of which he has an ample stock. The inability to recognize others as separate makes them capable of following the agenda without the least compunction, or empathy for those who are hurt by it!

  • sandraleesmith46

    That’d be the very dude! You’d think, but O, like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and dozens of others of the same ilk are “perfect” for his purposes; they’re so narcissistic they can’t recognize others as separate from themselves and easily led and drawn at the same time, with the right “lures”, of which he has an ample stock. The inability to recognize others as separate makes them capable of following the agenda without the least compunction, or empathy for those who are hurt by it!

  • J.w. Appling

    I haven’t heard him call that in a long time.

  • loonsabound

    some crazy nut jobs on here

  • loonsabound

    some crazy nut jobs on here

  • loonsabound

    some crazy nut jobs on here

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