JESUS IS OPTIONAL: Pope- ‘You don’t have to believe in God to get to heaven…’

In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.”

Read more: independent.co.uk

  • Linda Tew

    Many will come in my name but will not be of me…… hmm the only way to the father is through me. ….. I suggest the Pope read the bible

  • Linda Tew

    Many will come in my name but will not be of me…… hmm the only way to the father is through me. ….. I suggest the Pope read the bible

    • gbmpython

      The spirit of the antiChrist is alive and well..and THE AntiChrist may be soon at hand. Absolutely agree with you!

    • Ivrn

      God has created all living things which includes all people. So if someone has never had the chance to hear of Jesus you think God would condemn them to hell? Through no fault of their own they would go to hell because they have not heard of Jesus. That is not the God and Jesus I pray to. God is all loving and merciful and creates every human in his image. Most of the comments here are uneducated at best. The entire Mass is based on the Bible. Who actually wrote the bible and preserved it for centuries? Priests and monks of the Catholic church.

    • Ivrn

      God has created all living things which includes all people. So if someone has never had the chance to hear of Jesus you think God would condemn them to hell? Through no fault of their own they would go to hell because they have not heard of Jesus. That is not the God and Jesus I pray to. God is all loving and merciful and creates every human in his image. Most of the comments here are uneducated at best. The entire Mass is based on the Bible. Who actually wrote the bible and preserved it for centuries? Priests and monks of the Catholic church.

      • sandraleesmith46

        God tell us He wrote His law in EVERY heart. None of the OT saints heard of Jesus, now did they, since the lived before He did! But they understood the Gospel, and were SAVED by it, same as I am; by FAITH in what was to come, because they KNEW what God was planning and believed in it whole-heartedly. Do you think if they could know, God didn’t provide for every human to know? Of course He did, and it’s on the basis of what they choose in relation to that knowledge that they will be judged. God is all-loving, and merciful, but He is ALSO JUST, and that’s an aspect you seem to have forgotten. And the OT was WRITTEN before Jesus was born, ergo, before there were Roman priests to copy it; by some 400 years; who do you think had been copying it for the nearly 2 millenia prior to Jesus? Try RABBIS! And the entire mass is NOT based on the Bible. Been to too many of those to even stumble over that one. Indeed, many of the practices in the mass itself and the beliefs on which they’re based are in great error, as compared to what the Word of God actually says.

        • Ivrn

          so none of the people who lived before Jesus can get to heaven and I of course was referring to the New Testament since that is when Jesus lived. So apparently you believe the Jews kept the New Testament writings safe in the first few hundred years. I assume you have your degree in theology. You have alot of anger in your posts.

          • sandraleesmith46

            ‘Scuse me but precisely what did you think that sentence that says they WERE saved by faith in the SAME Gospel which they KNEW was coming, as I am, did you not understand? That means they also go to heaven ON the same basis as NT saints do. Many of them speak of it; David all through his psalms, Isaiah summed it up in one sentence; Solomon wrote of it in Ecclesiastes. Abraham knew it at the time he was taking Isaac up Mt Moriah. Those are all OT saints who are saved by the SAME grace and faith in the work of the cross as any of us is.
            What you perceive as “anger” is frustration with those who cling to a false teaching, and teachers who are leading them down wrong paths, and who would rather cling to a human institution than the Lord Who saves us all if we accept it on His terms!
            The Essenes did keep many of the NT scrolls safe in their scrolls which have been found with the Qumran scrolls, and so did others of the churches from the Apostolic era, including those who came to be known as the Waldensians.
            As for a “degree” why do I need a piece of paper? I have the Holy Spirit, and the capacity to study on my own without someone to distort the lessons of the Word for me. How does a piece of paper insure I learned anything? Especially the way “teaching” happens these days…

          • Ivrn

            I assume you teach your own children and treat your own illnesses also. Who needs a piece of paper when you have the capacity to study on your own. I guess you also can read Greek, Aramic and the other languages of the NT time and understand all the cultures the letters were written to. Gee, I wonder if I have read your books on Christianity since you have all the answers and know it all. May you continue to be enlightened by the Holy Spirit.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not that it’s any business of yours, but I wasn’t blessed with children, a capacity which was taken from my before I was old enough to even understand what was happening. But I do largely treat my own illnesses, as a matter of fact, because I did train as a nurse and learned all too well just how toxic modern “medicine” actually is, and how geared to NOT healing but keeping people SICK.
            As for reading Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew, no, but I DO know how to use a good dictionary and concordance, which works as well.

            Nowhere did I say I “have all the answers”; but I will accept the “blessing” however sarcastically it was offered, since the Holy Spirit does indeed continue to enlighten me.

          • Ivrn

            I assume you teach your own children and treat your own illnesses also. Who needs a piece of paper when you have the capacity to study on your own. I guess you also can read Greek, Aramic and the other languages of the NT time and understand all the cultures the letters were written to. Gee, I wonder if I have read your books on Christianity since you have all the answers and know it all. May you continue to be enlightened by the Holy Spirit.

          • Ivrn

            I assume you teach your own children and treat your own illnesses also. Who needs a piece of paper when you have the capacity to study on your own. I guess you also can read Greek, Aramic and the other languages of the NT time and understand all the cultures the letters were written to. Gee, I wonder if I have read your books on Christianity since you have all the answers and know it all. May you continue to be enlightened by the Holy Spirit.

          • sandraleesmith46

            ‘Scuse me but precisely what did you think that sentence that says they WERE saved by faith in the SAME Gospel which they KNEW was coming, as I am, did you not understand? That means they also go to heaven ON the same basis as NT saints do. Many of them speak of it; David all through his psalms, Isaiah summed it up in one sentence; Solomon wrote of it in Ecclesiastes. Abraham knew it at the time he was taking Isaac up Mt Moriah. Those are all OT saints who are saved by the SAME grace and faith in the work of the cross as any of us is.
            What you perceive as “anger” is frustration with those who cling to a false teaching, and teachers who are leading them down wrong paths, and who would rather cling to a human institution than the Lord Who saves us all if we accept it on His terms!
            The Essenes did keep many of the NT scrolls safe in their scrolls which have been found with the Qumran scrolls, and so did others of the churches from the Apostolic era, including those who came to be known as the Waldensians.
            As for a “degree” why do I need a piece of paper? I have the Holy Spirit, and the capacity to study on my own without someone to distort the lessons of the Word for me. How does a piece of paper insure I learned anything? Especially the way “teaching” happens these days…

      • intheleupp

        There was no “Catholic Church” until well after the Scriptures were written by the Apostles and their companions which took place before about 68AD. The “Catholic Church” didn’t really “start” until well after 350AD… as a political move on the most part.
        There is some great symbolism in the mass that still communicates some great truth, but overwhelmingly, the Catholics are not taught to read or process the Word for themselves. I see the fallout every week from that.

        • Ivrn

          That’s why we have over 30,000 different Christian religions today, everyone processes for themselves, has the Holy Spirit talk to them with all the right answers. Most have no background in bible history or understanding of the culture the different gospels were written too. One has to understand the meaning that the words of the Bible had at the time they were written. Just think if someone was reading articles written in our country in the 1920′s and and now. The same word would mean something entirely different such as “gay”. Soda, pop and coke all mean the same thing in different parts of the country. One cannot read it as written and interpret it as if written in the 20th century to Americans.
          It is pretty sad that I have had to spend my entire life defending Catholicism from other Christians who demonize it, ridicule and criticize it regularly. How are all these people any different than the radical Muslims who think they are all holy? The contempt and hatred that has been directed to Catholics by other so called Christians is unbelievable.
          Believe what you want, but no other religion can trace their roots directly back to St. Peter.

          • ort

            The Branch and Root is Christ! Again, you are putting emphasis on a man, Peter, and NOT Jesus who is THE Head of the church!

          • ort

            The Branch and Root is Christ! Again, you are putting emphasis on a man, Peter, and NOT Jesus who is THE Head of the church!

          • intheleupp

            I would hope you would spend your life defending Scripture, not catholicism.

          • Ivrn

            Matthew 16:15-19 I have been defending scripture. I will not respond to anymore statements. It is to time consuming and this is really not the forum for a good discussion.

          • Ivrn

            Matthew 16:15-19 I have been defending scripture. I will not respond to anymore statements. It is to time consuming and this is really not the forum for a good discussion.

          • Ivrn

            Matthew 16:15-19 I have been defending scripture. I will not respond to anymore statements. It is to time consuming and this is really not the forum for a good discussion.

          • intheleupp

            Some of what you say is true Ivrn, there ARE many liberal “churches” out there that are utterly other than Christian. There are many leaglistic “churches” out there that are almost as other than Christian as the Liberal ones. And then there is much of the Catholic “Religion” which is not Christian, but is actually standing in the way of people finding the Grace of God in Christ as they are led into idolatry of Mary and the Saints, have to do things to still pay for their sins, and they often never find out that Jesus paid it all for them if they would just confess Jesus as Lord and choose to follow and obey HIM. But the Catholic church is really good with rituals. Baptizing babies before they can ever choose to follow Christ and then be baptized, AS JESUS SAID. Too many catholics are coming out being baptized as babies, believing everything is good for their eternity, but never having made THE confession of turning their life over to Him. “But, Lord, Lord, we have done … so much in your name… ‘I never knew you.’”

          • intheleupp

            Some of what you say is true Ivrn, there ARE many liberal “churches” out there that are utterly other than Christian. There are many leaglistic “churches” out there that are almost as other than Christian as the Liberal ones. And then there is much of the Catholic “Religion” which is not Christian, but is actually standing in the way of people finding the Grace of God in Christ as they are led into idolatry of Mary and the Saints, have to do things to still pay for their sins, and they often never find out that Jesus paid it all for them if they would just confess Jesus as Lord and choose to follow and obey HIM. But the Catholic church is really good with rituals. Baptizing babies before they can ever choose to follow Christ and then be baptized, AS JESUS SAID. Too many catholics are coming out being baptized as babies, believing everything is good for their eternity, but never having made THE confession of turning their life over to Him. “But, Lord, Lord, we have done … so much in your name… ‘I never knew you.’”

          • intheleupp

            Some of what you say is true Ivrn, there ARE many liberal “churches” out there that are utterly other than Christian. There are many leaglistic “churches” out there that are almost as other than Christian as the Liberal ones. And then there is much of the Catholic “Religion” which is not Christian, but is actually standing in the way of people finding the Grace of God in Christ as they are led into idolatry of Mary and the Saints, have to do things to still pay for their sins, and they often never find out that Jesus paid it all for them if they would just confess Jesus as Lord and choose to follow and obey HIM. But the Catholic church is really good with rituals. Baptizing babies before they can ever choose to follow Christ and then be baptized, AS JESUS SAID. Too many catholics are coming out being baptized as babies, believing everything is good for their eternity, but never having made THE confession of turning their life over to Him. “But, Lord, Lord, we have done … so much in your name… ‘I never knew you.’”

        • Ivrn

          That’s why we have over 30,000 different Christian religions today, everyone processes for themselves, has the Holy Spirit talk to them with all the right answers. Most have no background in bible history or understanding of the culture the different gospels were written too. One has to understand the meaning that the words of the Bible had at the time they were written. Just think if someone was reading articles written in our country in the 1920′s and and now. The same word would mean something entirely different such as “gay”. Soda, pop and coke all mean the same thing in different parts of the country. One cannot read it as written and interpret it as if written in the 20th century to Americans.
          It is pretty sad that I have had to spend my entire life defending Catholicism from other Christians who demonize it, ridicule and criticize it regularly. How are all these people any different than the radical Muslims who think they are all holy? The contempt and hatred that has been directed to Catholics by other so called Christians is unbelievable.
          Believe what you want, but no other religion can trace their roots directly back to St. Peter.

        • Ivrn

          That’s why we have over 30,000 different Christian religions today, everyone processes for themselves, has the Holy Spirit talk to them with all the right answers. Most have no background in bible history or understanding of the culture the different gospels were written too. One has to understand the meaning that the words of the Bible had at the time they were written. Just think if someone was reading articles written in our country in the 1920′s and and now. The same word would mean something entirely different such as “gay”. Soda, pop and coke all mean the same thing in different parts of the country. One cannot read it as written and interpret it as if written in the 20th century to Americans.
          It is pretty sad that I have had to spend my entire life defending Catholicism from other Christians who demonize it, ridicule and criticize it regularly. How are all these people any different than the radical Muslims who think they are all holy? The contempt and hatred that has been directed to Catholics by other so called Christians is unbelievable.
          Believe what you want, but no other religion can trace their roots directly back to St. Peter.

    • Ivrn

      God has created all living things which includes all people. So if someone has never had the chance to hear of Jesus you think God would condemn them to hell? Through no fault of their own they would go to hell because they have not heard of Jesus. That is not the God and Jesus I pray to. God is all loving and merciful and creates every human in his image. Most of the comments here are uneducated at best. The entire Mass is based on the Bible. Who actually wrote the bible and preserved it for centuries? Priests and monks of the Catholic church.

  • Linda Tew

    Many will come in my name but will not be of me…… hmm the only way to the father is through me. ….. I suggest the Pope read the bible

  • texas57

    John 14:6 is pretty straightforward to me and anyone I would think that reads it !!!!! just sayin, there is ONE way, that according to Jesus NOT ME, so no haters please…..

  • texas57

    John 14:6 is pretty straightforward to me and anyone I would think that reads it !!!!! just sayin, there is ONE way, that according to Jesus NOT ME, so no haters please…..

  • Dwight

    JESU CHRIST said I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE NOBODY GETS TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM

    • EllenBernal

      The Catholics do not read the Bible as a Book,.
      They only take passages out of context and read that.

      • intheleupp

        When and if they actually read any of it.

      • intheleupp

        When and if they actually read any of it.

        • USPatriotOne

          Ellen and the rest of you uneducated bunch, One, Jesus started the Catholic church through Peter (Peter you are the Rock and upon this Rock I will build my Church…the Catholic Church…all other Christian Churches are nothing but faint copies of the REAL Church of Christ, the Catholic Church…Sorry, facts are facts, and I am sorry if this hearts but Satan is the one that fueled the protestant reformation and caused the split in Gods Church and don’t let histories revisionist that have lead many astray to believe different), and two, I read the Bible daily, can you make that same claim, and don’t lie it’s a SIN…!!!, Third, Yes I am Catholic and Yes the Pope is wrong on this one, very wrong! No Jesus, No Salvation, No Forgiveness, No Mercy, No Grace, No Resurrection…NO ONE IS SAVED!

          • Nikonron Digitaldude

            us PO……..this is untrue….another lie, the list is endless…this so called church, was started by a roman emperor.. as a power grab… JESUS would slam the door on this ‘church’

          • Nikonron Digitaldude

            ps… JESUS is the only way …………………

          • sandraleesmith46

            The Roman church was established before Constantine; it was who Paul wrote the letter to the Romans to; what Constantine did was to make it the official state religion, not start the church. However it was wholly a political move and power grab, indeed,

          • intheleupp

            No, “The Church in Rome”, like the “Church in Antioch”, The Church in Thesalonica”, The Church at Phillippi”… not the “Roman Church”

          • sandraleesmith46

            True; it was the Church in Rome, but it devolved into the Roman church particularly after Constantine made it the official state religion.

          • intheleupp

            300 years later. So.

          • ort

            So you just admitted there was no Catholic Church as we know it today, until 300 A.D.
            And you would be correct.

          • intheleupp

            I’m not sure what your point is? Just because there was a political arm calling itself the church, doesn’t mean it was a good thing.

          • intheleupp

            300 years later. So.

          • sandraleesmith46

            True; it was the Church in Rome, but it devolved into the Roman church particularly after Constantine made it the official state religion.

          • sandraleesmith46

            True; it was the Church in Rome, but it devolved into the Roman church particularly after Constantine made it the official state religion.

          • intheleupp

            No, “The Church in Rome”, like the “Church in Antioch”, The Church in Thesalonica”, The Church at Phillippi”… not the “Roman Church”

          • sandraleesmith46

            The Roman church was established before Constantine; it was who Paul wrote the letter to the Romans to; what Constantine did was to make it the official state religion, not start the church. However it was wholly a political move and power grab, indeed,

          • Don N

            He did not say that he said you are a stone (a piece of rock that that can be handled and moved) and upon this (unmovable) bedrock I build my church.

          • Don N

            He did not say that he said you are a stone (a piece of rock that that can be handled and moved) and upon this (unmovable) bedrock I build my church.

          • Don N

            He did not say that he said you are a stone (a piece of rock that that can be handled and moved) and upon this (unmovable) bedrock I build my church.

          • texas57

            I’m not a biblical scholar, but I believe you need to read the verses before and after this ONE verse. Jesus is asking Peter who he ie Jesus is. I’m not saying your wrong and I’m not saying I’m right, but if you read the text it point to Christ as who the church will be built on. I may be wrong, just my interpretation and I’m sure there are discussions for both. My 2 cents only

          • sandraleesmith46

            It is, and that’s foreshadowed by David in his Psalms, as well as in Isaiah.

          • texas57

            I’m not a biblical scholar, but I believe you need to read the verses before and after this ONE verse. Jesus is asking Peter who he ie Jesus is. I’m not saying your wrong and I’m not saying I’m right, but if you read the text it point to Christ as who the church will be built on. I may be wrong, just my interpretation and I’m sure there are discussions for both. My 2 cents only

          • texas57

            I’m not a biblical scholar, but I believe you need to read the verses before and after this ONE verse. Jesus is asking Peter who he ie Jesus is. I’m not saying your wrong and I’m not saying I’m right, but if you read the text it point to Christ as who the church will be built on. I may be wrong, just my interpretation and I’m sure there are discussions for both. My 2 cents only

          • ort

            All throughout the Word, only God is referred to as The Rock.
            Secondly, the church was Jewish at its very inception. No such thing as a catholic until 300 A.D.
            Third, God didn’t build His Church on a fallible man. He built it on Himself. Paul says the foundation that is laid is Christ.

            Fourth, I totally agree with your last 2 sentences.

          • Clint

            Unfortunately, the Roman Catholics reading this cannot and will not agree, because they trust “the church”, which is a man made religion and organization. There is only one truth and that is the truth of God as contained in His Word, rightly divided, and uncorrupted. If any organization whether Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc., appropriates that truth and applies it to itself exclusively, that earthly religion, is heresy, plain and simple. Correct me if I am wrong, and you will I am sure, but there were no Gentiles present at Sinai when the Law was given to God’s people. The so called, Law of Moses, was exclusively for the Children of Israel and Judah.. Before answering the next question, I suggest you read the book of
            Galatians. Being Gentiles in America are we bound by the keeping of the Law, even though we were not included in the receiving of the law at Mt. Sinai. Jesus said all the laws were fulfilled in these two laws. #1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, your soul and all that is within you. #2 Love your neighbor as yourself. All the laws are contained in these two commandments.
            saina?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Actually, there were Gentiles at Sinai; who had come out of Egypt with the Children of Israel, by choice, to flee the Pharaoh, and it’s very likely some of them were behind the creation of the golden calf while Moses was up on Mt Sinai, in truth. But the Law was given for the Children of Israel, and by extension all who chose to follow Yhwh God. Among the Decalogue, the first 5 laws govern our relationship with God, and the second 5 our relationship with our fellow humans, so yes those two do sum up the Decalogue, but it doesn’t fulfill them, they’re still our duty to follow.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Actually, there were Gentiles at Sinai; who had come out of Egypt with the Children of Israel, by choice, to flee the Pharaoh, and it’s very likely some of them were behind the creation of the golden calf while Moses was up on Mt Sinai, in truth. But the Law was given for the Children of Israel, and by extension all who chose to follow Yhwh God. Among the Decalogue, the first 5 laws govern our relationship with God, and the second 5 our relationship with our fellow humans, so yes those two do sum up the Decalogue, but it doesn’t fulfill them, they’re still our duty to follow.

          • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

            And who assembled the Word in the bible? Who kept the faith? Who decided what would be in the New Testament? The Roman Catholic Church, until a few books were discarded by the protestants.

          • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

            And who assembled the Word in the bible? Who kept the faith? Who decided what would be in the New Testament? The Roman Catholic Church, until a few books were discarded by the protestants.

          • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

            And who assembled the Word in the bible? Who kept the faith? Who decided what would be in the New Testament? The Roman Catholic Church, until a few books were discarded by the protestants.

          • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

            The church was founded when Christ made Peter the foundation, not 300 years later. Do you read the bible? He built his church not “on” fallible man but the church is made of fallible men, which is why he appointed the apostles and their successors to guard the faith. The charism of infallibility is not about men being without sin, it’s a gift so that man won’t be able to corrupt what Christ taught. Of course all men are sinners in need of salvation.

          • ort

            Paul said there is only one foundation, and that is Christ. God is the only one called the Rock in the Bible. God also said “I will not share my glory with another”.
            Therefore, either God is a liar, but since “God is not a man, that He should lie”, or else man is wrong. There is no other choice.

            “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on HUMAN TRADITION (the RCC for example) and the basic principles of this world rather on Christ.” Colossians 2:8. ( Words in parentheses are mine.)

          • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

            The church was founded when Christ made Peter the foundation, not 300 years later. Do you read the bible? He built his church not “on” fallible man but the church is made of fallible men, which is why he appointed the apostles and their successors to guard the faith. The charism of infallibility is not about men being without sin, it’s a gift so that man won’t be able to corrupt what Christ taught. Of course all men are sinners in need of salvation.

          • Jacobb Chapman

            Don’t know much about the History of Religion, but I do believe in God.

          • ort

            If you believe that you are a sinner, and that Jesus is God and became a man to pay for your sins on the cross, and believe that only what Jesus did paid cor your sins, and if you repent and believe and ask Christ to be your Lord and Savior, you have passed from death to life.

          • ort

            If you believe that you are a sinner, and that Jesus is God and became a man to pay for your sins on the cross, and believe that only what Jesus did paid cor your sins, and if you repent and believe and ask Christ to be your Lord and Savior, you have passed from death to life.

          • Jacobb Chapman

            Don’t know much about the History of Religion, but I do believe in God.

          • twiceshy

            You really have no understanding of the Bible, but that is what the Catholic church promotes. Don’t read it, just listen to us.

          • twiceshy

            You really have no understanding of the Bible, but that is what the Catholic church promotes. Don’t read it, just listen to us.

          • Susan

            The Catholic Church debated every single word in the Bible for centuries—minds of geniuses, formed what YOU refer to as the New Testament—and you “think” protestants who wanted to cut the heads off of their wives after they “divorced” them, so started their “own “true” church” because Catholics stated it was evil to divorce and kill wives… ……. ha.

            Remember—all bureaucracies have evil people in them—Judas was one of the original 12 apostles. It is the Nature of Man—but the Catholic Canon is the most perfect, most debated, most thought-out code—and it is all based on the words in the Bible. If the Catholic Canon can not be argued and supported by the Biblical text—then it is always discarded.

            Bella Dodd wrote about the Marxist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Pope Pius X warned in Pascendi—of the “filth of Satan” that is infiltrating the Catholic Church. That being said—what this Pope states does not align with the Catholic Canon—which means the Pope is wrong. BTW, infallibility only exists in very limited circumstances and has nothing to do with statements like this.

          • Susan

            The Catholic Church debated every single word in the Bible for centuries—minds of geniuses, formed what YOU refer to as the New Testament—and you “think” protestants who wanted to cut the heads off of their wives after they “divorced” them, so started their “own “true” church” because Catholics stated it was evil to divorce and kill wives… ……. ha.

            Remember—all bureaucracies have evil people in them—Judas was one of the original 12 apostles. It is the Nature of Man—but the Catholic Canon is the most perfect, most debated, most thought-out code—and it is all based on the words in the Bible. If the Catholic Canon can not be argued and supported by the Biblical text—then it is always discarded.

            Bella Dodd wrote about the Marxist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Pope Pius X warned in Pascendi—of the “filth of Satan” that is infiltrating the Catholic Church. That being said—what this Pope states does not align with the Catholic Canon—which means the Pope is wrong. BTW, infallibility only exists in very limited circumstances and has nothing to do with statements like this.

          • Susan

            The Catholic Church debated every single word in the Bible for centuries—minds of geniuses, formed what YOU refer to as the New Testament—and you “think” protestants who wanted to cut the heads off of their wives after they “divorced” them, so started their “own “true” church” because Catholics stated it was evil to divorce and kill wives… ……. ha.

            Remember—all bureaucracies have evil people in them—Judas was one of the original 12 apostles. It is the Nature of Man—but the Catholic Canon is the most perfect, most debated, most thought-out code—and it is all based on the words in the Bible. If the Catholic Canon can not be argued and supported by the Biblical text—then it is always discarded.

            Bella Dodd wrote about the Marxist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Pope Pius X warned in Pascendi—of the “filth of Satan” that is infiltrating the Catholic Church. That being said—what this Pope states does not align with the Catholic Canon—which means the Pope is wrong. BTW, infallibility only exists in very limited circumstances and has nothing to do with statements like this.

          • sandraleesmith46

            The Hepatic rule proves the Roman church had LESS to do with what wound up as our Bible than they believe they did, and the proof is mathematical. The NT was inspired by the SAME Author as the OT; and the message from Genesis through Revelation is consistent. That was ONE man, and he didn’t actually start the Church of England either, it was the religious “rebels” in his court who were behind that. But the Church of England is less part of the Reformation than you’d think; it was a political move not one based on religious beliefs. That was begun by the Waldensians quietly and Martin Luther more loudly, and as he had no wife to speak of, I don’t believe beheading her was the reason for posting his grievances with the church on that door. However, he never wanted to leave the church, and neither did most of the reformers early on; they wanted to FIX what was unBiblical and clearly broken in the church, but the church was NOT interested in fixing the wrongs; so those men were excommunicated, FORCED out, BY the very church leaders you believe should be protected.
            The Holy Spirit can use even a DONKEY when the need arises; so I’m sure he could use those priests while deciding the content of the NT. THEY didn’t do the “thinking” in that instance. As for the Roman church canon, I won’t debate that; but I’ve seen plenty of practices that are not Biblical, and some that are downright idolatrous, having grown up in a Roman church dominated area, and attended many masses and other services/ceremonies with school friends and neighbors. And what I have studied of the beliefs contains some that are at best questionable as well.

          • ort

            RCC add ons with no basis in God’s Word:
            1) prayers for the dead 300 A.D.
            2) veneration of dead saints and use of images 375 A.D.
            3) the mass as a daily celebration 394 A.D.
            4) beginning of exultation of Mary, the term “mother of God”, council of Ephesus 431 A.D.
            5) doctrine of purgatory, Gregory the I 593 A.D.
            6) prayer directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels 600 A.D.
            7) title of pope given to Boniface III 607 A.D.
            8) kissing the popes foot Constantine 709 A.D.
            9) worship of the cross, images, and relics authorized in 786 A.D.
            10) holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest, 850 A.D.
            11) celibacy of priesthood, pope Gregory VII 1079 A.D.
            12) the rosary invented by Peter the hermit 1090 A.D.
            13) sales of indulgences 1190 A.D.
            14) transubstantiation, pope innocent III, 1215 A.D.
            15) purgatory proclaimed a dogma by council of Florence 1439 A.D.
            16) doctrine of the 7 sacraments affirmed 1439 A.D.
            17) TRADITION DECLARED OF EQUAL AUTHORITY WITH THE BIBLE BY COUNCIL OF TRENT 1545 A.D.
            18) APOCRYPHAL BOOKS ADDED TO THE BIBLE BY COUNCIL OF TRENT 1545 A.D.
            19) immaculate conception of Mary, proclaimed by Pius IX 1854 A.D.
            20) assumption of Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) proclaimed by Pius XII 1950 A.D.
            21) Mary proclaimed mother of the church, Paul VI 1965 A.D.

            You still want to insist that the RCC is what Christ established?? You are only fooling yourself. This nonsense has no basis in the Word of God and the RCC is as responsible for sending as many people to hell as Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and atheism. “COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!”

            Do not simply down vote this, but debate it point by point. This is a man made religion. Do I say ALL Catholics are unsaved?? CERTAINLY NOT! But just like not all people of other denominations aren’t saved either, neither are all Catholics just because they are Catholics.
            GRACE+FAITH=SALVATION. JESUS ALONE SAVES.

          • ort

            RCC add ons with no basis in God’s Word:
            1) prayers for the dead 300 A.D.
            2) veneration of dead saints and use of images 375 A.D.
            3) the mass as a daily celebration 394 A.D.
            4) beginning of exultation of Mary, the term “mother of God”, council of Ephesus 431 A.D.
            5) doctrine of purgatory, Gregory the I 593 A.D.
            6) prayer directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels 600 A.D.
            7) title of pope given to Boniface III 607 A.D.
            8) kissing the popes foot Constantine 709 A.D.
            9) worship of the cross, images, and relics authorized in 786 A.D.
            10) holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest, 850 A.D.
            11) celibacy of priesthood, pope Gregory VII 1079 A.D.
            12) the rosary invented by Peter the hermit 1090 A.D.
            13) sales of indulgences 1190 A.D.
            14) transubstantiation, pope innocent III, 1215 A.D.
            15) purgatory proclaimed a dogma by council of Florence 1439 A.D.
            16) doctrine of the 7 sacraments affirmed 1439 A.D.
            17) TRADITION DECLARED OF EQUAL AUTHORITY WITH THE BIBLE BY COUNCIL OF TRENT 1545 A.D.
            18) APOCRYPHAL BOOKS ADDED TO THE BIBLE BY COUNCIL OF TRENT 1545 A.D.
            19) immaculate conception of Mary, proclaimed by Pius IX 1854 A.D.
            20) assumption of Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) proclaimed by Pius XII 1950 A.D.
            21) Mary proclaimed mother of the church, Paul VI 1965 A.D.

            You still want to insist that the RCC is what Christ established?? You are only fooling yourself. This nonsense has no basis in the Word of God and the RCC is as responsible for sending as many people to hell as Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and atheism. “COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!”

            Do not simply down vote this, but debate it point by point. This is a man made religion. Do I say ALL Catholics are unsaved?? CERTAINLY NOT! But just like not all people of other denominations aren’t saved either, neither are all Catholics just because they are Catholics.
            GRACE+FAITH=SALVATION. JESUS ALONE SAVES.

          • Susan

            Like I stated—every issue you listed was debated for decades–and some for centuries….and it was ‘Reasoned’ longer than any “Protestant” idea, which can be made up by every single individual. Look at the “contraception” issue—which relegated sex as “pleasure” and removed the moral element. Look at the “homosexual” pastors and “woman” pastors—-who mock God’s Laws and the role of the masculine and feminine (God’s Design of the human body/Reason).

            True—corruption in the Church exists–since Judas–with ALL hierarchy/bureaucracies–it is the fallen nature of man and the pope is man and that is understood—but that doesn’t erase the Good/Catholic Canon—and the “sales of indulgences” was seen as evil by the Church Canon.

            Protestants “interpret” the Bible for themselves (we know that Protestants who marry and have children can devote decades to understanding the “Word” of Christ, equal to a St. Thomas Aquinas—and be as prolific!!!!. After all “emotions”—the “heart” is so reliable in discerning “Truth” rather than understanding and reading all the Classical/Medieval ideology which actually led to the Age of Reason and the Renaissance–and Science.

          • ort

            Susan……you wrote 3 paragraphs but never actually have answered as to why these 20 examples of man made nonsense were even implemented. Do you concur that these 20 things, among others, are not Biblical?

          • Susan

            No. Simply put—I have read Wittgenstein and if you understand the impossibility of “showing the fly out of the fly-bottle”, you will understand that Faith is Faith—and that Truth is really unknowable—God is incomprehensible—-and Catholics knew that before St. Augustine. The idea that anyone can understand the “Words” of God is rather subjective and (especially in Protestant circles) all over the map. Catholic Canon has changed little over thousands of years. If Catholics “reason/argue/agree” that it is easier for men to pursue the Truth by being celibate and devoting their minds to God’s Word and the Supernatural, then, that is rather subjective. Was Jesus married? Anyway, it is pointless to “argue” with someone who hasn’t the intellect of St. Thomas Aquinas or Anselm or an Abelard, and “expect” you to understand the “reason” for the Catholic Canon. I think the Catholic Canon is “Reasoned” over many centuries unlike most other religions—–and it is the most consistent—whether on contraception///abortion/pederasty/homosexuality/Vice.

            To use other human beings as a “means to an end” is intrinsically evil as is putting toxins into the body or mutilating the body—and all other “Christian” religions have slipped into the moral relativism, which should be incomprehensible to true Catholics. There are a few non-Catholic Christian religions I admire….but most went down the slippery slope in the 30′s.

          • ort

            Susan, it’s real simple. Since when is holy water, the rosary, kissing a “popes” foot, calling a man “Holy Father”–which is God’s title alone, etc., Biblical? It’s a real simple question that has a real simple answer……they aren’t. But I think you already know that. Now you just have to admit it.

          • Susan

            For me to explain Catholic Dogma on this space is ludicrous. I really don’t have the time. But—as a mother of five—and if you have seen “Fiddler on the Roof”—you must understand the essential elements of symbolism/celebration/tradition—-to transmit knowledge and concepts to children. It makes life so FUN and EXCITING to celebrate with Traditions and the symbolism which makes difficult concepts for children easier to comprehend.

            Marxists want all Traditions erased—even the family structure—remove mother and father from the minds of children. Why? Without Traditions/Family, the State becomes god and dictates Right and Wrong–everything. There is no way to transmit the Greatest ideas to the next generation without Traditions. They believe any absurd idea Marxists tell them when they are not “taught” through family life and rituals. Children with broken families believe any absurd thing—they know nothing about Natural Law (Common Sense) and are taught they should have “Pride” in anal fixations. And they believe it. Without Traditions—everything/Earth Wroship becomes cool—-people need symbols/Traditions and if NOT transmitted by parents–then the State has free reign.

            The Catholic Church has the most “Reasoned” traditions because they were argued about for hundreds of years before they became part of Canon Law. No “other” religion has had such a long history of debate. Debate is the only thing which leads to the Truth.

          • Susan

            For me to explain Catholic Dogma on this space is ludicrous. I really don’t have the time. But—as a mother of five—and if you have seen “Fiddler on the Roof”—you must understand the essential elements of symbolism/celebration/tradition—-to transmit knowledge and concepts to children. It makes life so FUN and EXCITING to celebrate with Traditions and the symbolism which makes difficult concepts for children easier to comprehend.

            Marxists want all Traditions erased—even the family structure—remove mother and father from the minds of children. Why? Without Traditions/Family, the State becomes god and dictates Right and Wrong–everything. There is no way to transmit the Greatest ideas to the next generation without Traditions. They believe any absurd idea Marxists tell them when they are not “taught” through family life and rituals. Children with broken families believe any absurd thing—they know nothing about Natural Law (Common Sense) and are taught they should have “Pride” in anal fixations. And they believe it. Without Traditions—everything/Earth Wroship becomes cool—-people need symbols/Traditions and if NOT transmitted by parents–then the State has free reign.

            The Catholic Church has the most “Reasoned” traditions because they were argued about for hundreds of years before they became part of Canon Law. No “other” religion has had such a long history of debate. Debate is the only thing which leads to the Truth.

          • ort

            I have asked very simple questions, Susan. Stop tap dancing. You keep posting these lengthy diatribes, but you never truly answer. You say you don’t have time, but you know that is a smoke screen. You post lengthy responses here, even though you refuse to answer, so we know that isn’t the truth

            We all know the answers, Susan. You do too. You just can’t answer because it would ruin your man made religion of lies. And we can’t have that now, can we?

          • Susan

            After spending decades studying G.K.Chesterton and CS Lewis and Boethius, Aquinas and Abelard–do you honestly “think” I care what you “think”? I have read published accounts by the most brilliant minds that ever lived—and, since all truth—is based on Faith……I can’t see why you try to “disprove” the most “Reasoned” faith—and most Logical Canon ever written—one which never allows human beings to be used as a “means to an end”–and esp. babies and is one of the only “religions” which also disproves of the toxic contraception which is contaminating woman’s bodies and rivers at an alarming rate and reduces women to objects for lust.

            Like I stated—I will not take up hours of my time when all you ever need to know about the Catholic Canon is already “Free” on the internet. I know the Catholic Canon is the most perfect analysis of the Bible’s Code of Ethics on earth. There is no disagreement between Jesus and Catholicism. No problem with the geniuses’ “logic”.

            May I add that I had a Protestant mother who had more Common Sense than even a Chesterton and an Aquinas when she raised her six kids. She did convert to Catholicism before she died. : )

          • ort

            You should be in Jay Carney’s position in the White House. You can dodge a direct question better than he can. Nice tap dancing. Change your name to Gregory Hines.

          • ort

            You should be in Jay Carney’s position in the White House. You can dodge a direct question better than he can. Nice tap dancing. Change your name to Gregory Hines.

          • Susan

            I don’t Lie—-so couldn’t take the position. I don’t dodge either—by directing you to do your own googling is not “avoiding” the questions since it is impossible for me to answer them on this forum. I don’t have the time to write something which defends the Catholic Canon—since all the “issues” YOU “claim” are made up out of “thin air” were actually argued and debated over hundreds of years. The greatest minds agreed to the “Reason and Logic” of adopting those particular symbols/actions/beliefs which only enhanced the Bible/Faith and glorified God and His Word. Traditions/Family Unit are the most important ways to pass Knowledge to children.

          • ort

            1) you still haven’t answered a very simple, direct question.
            2) I never thought you would, since that would mean you would have to admit the RCC is less than Christian and a lot more pagan than makes you comfortable.
            3) just because a bunch of clueless men have debated something for centuries, doesn’t make them correct. There is no need for debating. Everything that needs to be known is clearly written in the Word of God. The RCC is apostate, pagan, and is more likely to lead a soul to hell rather than heaven.

          • Susan

            I am with the SSPX so much of what you state about the post Vatican II “church” , I happen to agree with : ) Read Fr. Oko’s Report and Bella Dodd’s book. Every bureaucracy is open to corruption. I still love the Catholic Canon and the pre-Vatican Church. It is the Best!!!!!Corruption of every institution is inevitable–since it consists of men—- even Judas was corrupted and he was one of the original apostles that were selected by Jesus.

            I look for Truth—that is all we can do—and I use Reason–since it is the only thing which makes humans in the image of God. Without Reason, we are a mere animal, so I suspect “Reason” is essential when using the Bible—and I love the way Reason and Faith was united in the Catholic Church. (The Bible warns of being guided by the “heart”.)

            So—your “error” is “thinking that people of the calibre of St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine were “clueless men”. Then I would have to state the Founders of the USA were clueless, etc.—it is an idiotic, untrue statement. It can be proven to be a stupid statement by the works (classics) and effects that the men left behind. In fact—all the Protestant churches wouldn’t even exist without the ideology of these two men.

            St. Thomas would remind you that most people couldn’t even read until thousands of years after the “birth” of Christ..so your “Logic” in that “everything that needs to be known is clearly written in the Word of God” is really stupid and idiotic, if you think there was no “need” of the Catholic Church and the Apostles and clergy (clueless men) who literally LED TO THE AGE OF REASON, you are an idiot!!!!

            Do you “think” that 99 percent of the people on the earth could even “afford” a “Bible” much less read it in the first 1800 years after Christ????? Ideas have to be transmitted—and no two people will come to the exact same agreement to passages in the Bible. You think Calvin agreed with Luthor???? Are you crazy? You think an individual who doesn’t study for years and discuss and debate ideas will be able to discern “Truth”? You know that is extremely unlikely—extremely–especially when reading someone else’s work. Look at all the Protestant sects after Luther’s break—and then Henry VIII’s because his interpretation of the Word of God meant he could cut off the head of his wife and marry a younger woman.

            Without St.Thomas’s baptizing Aristotle and St. Augustine’s adoption of Platonic Wisdom—there would have been no “Renaissance”—no great cathedrals and “Age of Reason”….no Galileo–and no Newton—all taught with the Classical books preserved and added to by the monks and imbued with the “thinking” of the “middle ages” geniuses like Anselm and Boethius and Aquinas.—what some Catholic-haters deemed “the Dark Ages”.

            The “Dark Ages” were actually decades of Great Wisdom and understanding and a unification of Faith and Reason and an ejection of mysticism by St. Thomas A.!!!! Took a course on that —”Faith and Reason in the Middle Ages”!!!! You should open your mind and heart and read how these geniuses actually “thought” . The way their minds worked were completely inspired by God. There is no other explanation for their brilliance. They were absolutely brilliant—makes Marx and Bentham look like complete idiots and totally irrational—which is what Marx and Atheism is.

          • ort

            “People couldn’t read until thousands of years after the birth of Christ”??? Seems I’m not the “idiot” here! Lol. Who do you think read the Hebrew Scriptures that were written before the New Testament was written? And to whom was Paul writing his epistles to? Why would the first 4 books of the Gospel be written if people couldn’t read them? How asinine!

            In 1229 the council of Valencia placed the Bible on the Index of Forbidden books! It was forbidden to laymen to read God’s Word!

            So since all you do is pontificate, I will answer the questions you continue to tap dance around: NONE of these things are scriptural. They are all made up, man made nonsense.

            As an aside, the celibacy of priests was put into effect in 1079 by pope Gregory VII, because too many priests and popes were making bastard children. The Borgias were a hoot!

            This Babylonian based pagan mystery religion leads to hell. Follow it if you want to. “Come out of her my people!”

          • ort

            “People couldn’t read until thousands of years after the birth of Christ”??? Seems I’m not the “idiot” here! Lol. Who do you think read the Hebrew Scriptures that were written before the New Testament was written? And to whom was Paul writing his epistles to? Why would the first 4 books of the Gospel be written if people couldn’t read them? How asinine!

            In 1229 the council of Valencia placed the Bible on the Index of Forbidden books! It was forbidden to laymen to read God’s Word!

            So since all you do is pontificate, I will answer the questions you continue to tap dance around: NONE of these things are scriptural. They are all made up, man made nonsense.

            As an aside, the celibacy of priests was put into effect in 1079 by pope Gregory VII, because too many priests and popes were making bastard children. The Borgias were a hoot!

            This Babylonian based pagan mystery religion leads to hell. Follow it if you want to. “Come out of her my people!”

          • ort

            “People couldn’t read until thousands of years after the birth of Christ”??? Seems I’m not the “idiot” here! Lol. Who do you think read the Hebrew Scriptures that were written before the New Testament was written? And to whom was Paul writing his epistles to? Why would the first 4 books of the Gospel be written if people couldn’t read them? How asinine!

            In 1229 the council of Valencia placed the Bible on the Index of Forbidden books! It was forbidden to laymen to read God’s Word!

            So since all you do is pontificate, I will answer the questions you continue to tap dance around: NONE of these things are scriptural. They are all made up, man made nonsense.

            As an aside, the celibacy of priests was put into effect in 1079 by pope Gregory VII, because too many priests and popes were making bastard children. The Borgias were a hoot!

            This Babylonian based pagan mystery religion leads to hell. Follow it if you want to. “Come out of her my people!”

          • ort

            1) you still haven’t answered a very simple, direct question.
            2) I never thought you would, since that would mean you would have to admit the RCC is less than Christian and a lot more pagan than makes you comfortable.
            3) just because a bunch of clueless men have debated something for centuries, doesn’t make them correct. There is no need for debating. Everything that needs to be known is clearly written in the Word of God. The RCC is apostate, pagan, and is more likely to lead a soul to hell rather than heaven.

          • Susan

            For me to explain Catholic Dogma on this space is ludicrous. I really don’t have the time. But—as a mother of five—and if you have seen “Fiddler on the Roof”—you must understand the essential elements of symbolism/celebration/tradition—-to transmit knowledge and concepts to children. It makes life so FUN and EXCITING to celebrate with Traditions and the symbolism which makes difficult concepts for children easier to comprehend.

            Marxists want all Traditions erased—even the family structure—remove mother and father from the minds of children. Why? Without Traditions/Family, the State becomes god and dictates Right and Wrong–everything. There is no way to transmit the Greatest ideas to the next generation without Traditions. They believe any absurd idea Marxists tell them when they are not “taught” through family life and rituals. Children with broken families believe any absurd thing—they know nothing about Natural Law (Common Sense) and are taught they should have “Pride” in anal fixations. And they believe it. Without Traditions—everything/Earth Wroship becomes cool—-people need symbols/Traditions and if NOT transmitted by parents–then the State has free reign.

            The Catholic Church has the most “Reasoned” traditions because they were argued about for hundreds of years before they became part of Canon Law. No “other” religion has had such a long history of debate. Debate is the only thing which leads to the Truth.

          • Susan

            No. Simply put—I have read Wittgenstein and if you understand the impossibility of “showing the fly out of the fly-bottle”, you will understand that Faith is Faith—and that Truth is really unknowable—God is incomprehensible—-and Catholics knew that before St. Augustine. The idea that anyone can understand the “Words” of God is rather subjective and (especially in Protestant circles) all over the map. Catholic Canon has changed little over thousands of years. If Catholics “reason/argue/agree” that it is easier for men to pursue the Truth by being celibate and devoting their minds to God’s Word and the Supernatural, then, that is rather subjective. Was Jesus married? Anyway, it is pointless to “argue” with someone who hasn’t the intellect of St. Thomas Aquinas or Anselm or an Abelard, and “expect” you to understand the “reason” for the Catholic Canon. I think the Catholic Canon is “Reasoned” over many centuries unlike most other religions—–and it is the most consistent—whether on contraception///abortion/pederasty/homosexuality/Vice.

            To use other human beings as a “means to an end” is intrinsically evil as is putting toxins into the body or mutilating the body—and all other “Christian” religions have slipped into the moral relativism, which should be incomprehensible to true Catholics. There are a few non-Catholic Christian religions I admire….but most went down the slippery slope in the 30′s.

          • ort

            RCC add ons with no basis in God’s Word:
            1) prayers for the dead 300 A.D.
            2) veneration of dead saints and use of images 375 A.D.
            3) the mass as a daily celebration 394 A.D.
            4) beginning of exultation of Mary, the term “mother of God”, council of Ephesus 431 A.D.
            5) doctrine of purgatory, Gregory the I 593 A.D.
            6) prayer directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels 600 A.D.
            7) title of pope given to Boniface III 607 A.D.
            8) kissing the popes foot Constantine 709 A.D.
            9) worship of the cross, images, and relics authorized in 786 A.D.
            10) holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest, 850 A.D.
            11) celibacy of priesthood, pope Gregory VII 1079 A.D.
            12) the rosary invented by Peter the hermit 1090 A.D.
            13) sales of indulgences 1190 A.D.
            14) transubstantiation, pope innocent III, 1215 A.D.
            15) purgatory proclaimed a dogma by council of Florence 1439 A.D.
            16) doctrine of the 7 sacraments affirmed 1439 A.D.
            17) TRADITION DECLARED OF EQUAL AUTHORITY WITH THE BIBLE BY COUNCIL OF TRENT 1545 A.D.
            18) APOCRYPHAL BOOKS ADDED TO THE BIBLE BY COUNCIL OF TRENT 1545 A.D.
            19) immaculate conception of Mary, proclaimed by Pius IX 1854 A.D.
            20) assumption of Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) proclaimed by Pius XII 1950 A.D.
            21) Mary proclaimed mother of the church, Paul VI 1965 A.D.

            You still want to insist that the RCC is what Christ established?? You are only fooling yourself. This nonsense has no basis in the Word of God and the RCC is as responsible for sending as many people to hell as Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and atheism. “COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!”

            Do not simply down vote this, but debate it point by point. This is a man made religion. Do I say ALL Catholics are unsaved?? CERTAINLY NOT! But just like not all people of other denominations aren’t saved either, neither are all Catholics just because they are Catholics.
            GRACE+FAITH=SALVATION. JESUS ALONE SAVES.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, He did NOT; He started THE Church through the Apostles, collectively and Peter never went to Rome; the only church he ministered to was the JERUSALEM church, with one brief exception. The Rock on which the Church is built is the Chief Cornerstone the builders rejected: Yeshua, NOT Peter, and it was Peter’s faith not the man that Yeshua praised. And it wasn’t Satan that fueled the Protestant Reformation; rather it was he, through the ordination of the Jesuits, who has been behind the drive to DESTROY it, and everything associated with it. The Roman church is NOT the Catholic Church, because the word catholic means “universal’ and that it is NOT! Not because it doesn’t want to be, albeit for ALL the WRONG reasons, but it’s not.

            BTW, I can make the same claim; and have read it from cover to cover many times in many translations, including one in French, and the approved Douay-Reims version is among them. Just a hint: you have to take the Bible as a WHOLE book, not parts of it or passages out of the context of the whole. It IS a cohesive whole; and that’s mathematically provable by the hepatic rule {rule of 7s}.

            But you are correct about salvation and the Pope’s position on this being wrong.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, He did NOT; He started THE Church through the Apostles, collectively and Peter never went to Rome; the only church he ministered to was the JERUSALEM church, with one brief exception. The Rock on which the Church is built is the Chief Cornerstone the builders rejected: Yeshua, NOT Peter, and it was Peter’s faith not the man that Yeshua praised. And it wasn’t Satan that fueled the Protestant Reformation; rather it was he, through the ordination of the Jesuits, who has been behind the drive to DESTROY it, and everything associated with it. The Roman church is NOT the Catholic Church, because the word catholic means “universal’ and that it is NOT! Not because it doesn’t want to be, albeit for ALL the WRONG reasons, but it’s not.

            BTW, I can make the same claim; and have read it from cover to cover many times in many translations, including one in French, and the approved Douay-Reims version is among them. Just a hint: you have to take the Bible as a WHOLE book, not parts of it or passages out of the context of the whole. It IS a cohesive whole; and that’s mathematically provable by the hepatic rule {rule of 7s}.

            But you are correct about salvation and the Pope’s position on this being wrong.

          • jeff

            Isn’t one of the elements of Catholicism that the Pope is infallible on matters of scripture?
            So how does that line up with your great faith in the one true Church? All organizations are of people, and, therefore, open to changes in direction that may not be in alignment with God.
            The Catholic church had many changes, including celibacy, over the years. Don’t claim it to be better now than any other Christian faith.
            Belief in Jesus is the foundation of all Christian faiths and that should hold us together. We shouldn’t be separated in the grand picture by trivial nuances of language and ritual.

          • jeff

            Isn’t one of the elements of Catholicism that the Pope is infallible on matters of scripture?
            So how does that line up with your great faith in the one true Church? All organizations are of people, and, therefore, open to changes in direction that may not be in alignment with God.
            The Catholic church had many changes, including celibacy, over the years. Don’t claim it to be better now than any other Christian faith.
            Belief in Jesus is the foundation of all Christian faiths and that should hold us together. We shouldn’t be separated in the grand picture by trivial nuances of language and ritual.

          • intheleupp

            USPatriotOne Uneducated? Jesus said, “You are Peter (Petros), and on this rock (petra) I will build my church…” A play on the words to bring out a spiritual truth. “Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” It was in Peter CONFESSING his belief in who Jesus is; THIS IS WHAT THE ROCK IS, THAT IS WHAT THE CHURCH IS BUILT UPON, Confessing Jesus as Lord!

            What became the Catholic church after about 350+AD, they have been teaching an erroneous misrepresentation of what Jesus said. Also, Jesus NEVER gave leadership of HIS church to another person. He is and has always been the head of the Church, not Peter nor so-called successors.

            Though Peter was an Apostle and therefore a leader in the church, we also see that James was a “head” of the Church in Jerusalem and of the Apostles for awhile as well. There was no recorded “Head” of the church after that until the mid 4th Century, when it became a political entity to unite the Roman citizenry. The worst thing to ever happen to the Church was when Christianity was “Declared” the state Religion, and if you called yourself a Roman, then youwere a Christian. No, that happens upon confession of Jesus as Lord.

            Also, I am glad to hear that you actually read the Bible. As a pastor, I have seen at least 100 times, so far, people coming from the Catholic Church, who, after being here for just 3-4 weeks, exclaim that they have never heard the Gospel preached at the Catholic Church and that they understand more in this short amount of time than their 10-20-30 years attending the Catholic Church.

            Your “Facts” are not FACTS. They are erroneous teachings. The “split” in the church was caused by the Catholic leaders as they pushed out and killed anyone who pointed out what the Scriptures actually said, disrupting their money making and enslaving machine. Luther didn’t want to leave the church, he wanted the church to get back to following Christ, instead of being political and enslaving people with indulgences (paying for your sins), which Jesus had already paid for. And then you can go on down the line of all the other Reformers (those who sought to bring the Church back in line with Scripture), who were chased out by the political leaders of the church/state.

            I would encourage you to read some other histories of the Church other than what is fed to you by the Catholic regime. I have friends in the Catholic Church, and they are in more “Evangelical Catholic” churches, which are beginning to get back to the basic confession of Jesus is Lord and away from the rampant idolatry inherent in the Catholic Church.

            They are starting to steer away from “Enshrining Mary” in their home for their protection-Idolatry, and praying to the Saints-Idolatry, or confessing their sins to a priest, who then gives them penance (to pay for their sins-again already paid for), as it is through Jesus ALONE we have access to the Father and through Jesus death on the cross and our confession of Him, alone.

            The Scriptures never say we have to pray to Mary to have access to Jesus or that she can grant us better favor with Him. Though honored, she is dead and beholding God’s face, and has nothing to do with our access to God. My wonder is, “Who ever got it started that we should pray to a human instead of to Christ, who gives us access to the Father in the first place?” If anything, I would say that was Satan.

          • ort

            Amen brother.

          • ort

            Amen brother.

          • ort

            Amen brother.

          • 7papa7

            Even a minimal understanding of Greek tells you that the rock being referred to is found in

            Mat 16:16 And answering, Simon Peter said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

            The rock is Peters statement that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God. That is the rock that the church of Christ is built on NOT the Catholic church. Christ would never put the survival of his church in the hands of man. It is all about Him not the Catholic church, the Baptist church, the Presbyterian church or any other church. The rock is that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God, period. It makes me sick that people think that theirs is the only way and they have to be part of their church to be saved, no you need to be part of Christ’s church and none other.

          • 7papa7

            Even a minimal understanding of Greek tells you that the rock being referred to is found in

            Mat 16:16 And answering, Simon Peter said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

            The rock is Peters statement that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God. That is the rock that the church of Christ is built on NOT the Catholic church. Christ would never put the survival of his church in the hands of man. It is all about Him not the Catholic church, the Baptist church, the Presbyterian church or any other church. The rock is that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God, period. It makes me sick that people think that theirs is the only way and they have to be part of their church to be saved, no you need to be part of Christ’s church and none other.

          • 7papa7

            Even a minimal understanding of Greek tells you that the rock being referred to is found in

            Mat 16:16 And answering, Simon Peter said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

            The rock is Peters statement that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God. That is the rock that the church of Christ is built on NOT the Catholic church. Christ would never put the survival of his church in the hands of man. It is all about Him not the Catholic church, the Baptist church, the Presbyterian church or any other church. The rock is that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God, period. It makes me sick that people think that theirs is the only way and they have to be part of their church to be saved, no you need to be part of Christ’s church and none other.

          • Nancy Rutledge

            The Catholic church was started by Constantine in approximately 300 AD. The only church whose history can be traced back to Christ is the Baptist church. The Baptist church was never in the Catholic church, so they cannot be called Protestant. You are the uneducated one.
            The Bible speaks of religious leaders teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. This goes on constantly in the Catholic church.

          • Jacobb Chapman

            Lol thanks for the laugh.

          • Jacobb Chapman

            Lol thanks for the laugh.

        • USPatriotOne

          Ellen and the rest of you uneducated bunch, One, Jesus started the Catholic church through Peter (Peter you are the Rock and upon this Rock I will build my Church…the Catholic Church…all other Christian Churches are nothing but faint copies of the REAL Church of Christ, the Catholic Church…Sorry, facts are facts, and I am sorry if this hearts but Satan is the one that fueled the protestant reformation and caused the split in Gods Church and don’t let histories revisionist that have lead many astray to believe different), and two, I read the Bible daily, can you make that same claim, and don’t lie it’s a SIN…!!!, Third, Yes I am Catholic and Yes the Pope is wrong on this one, very wrong! No Jesus, No Salvation, No Forgiveness, No Mercy, No Grace, No Resurrection…NO ONE IS SAVED!

      • intheleupp

        When and if they actually read any of it.

      • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

        Actually, us Catholics usually accuse the “non-Catholics” of reading the bible selectively and not in it’s entirety since so much of what Protestants believe is based on picking and choosing passages. Yes, we read it all the time. At the very least every Sunday at Mass. Old Testament, New Testament, Gopsel, Psalms.

      • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

        Actually, us Catholics usually accuse the “non-Catholics” of reading the bible selectively and not in it’s entirety since so much of what Protestants believe is based on picking and choosing passages. Yes, we read it all the time. At the very least every Sunday at Mass. Old Testament, New Testament, Gopsel, Psalms.

    • EllenBernal

      The Catholics do not read the Bible as a Book,.
      They only take passages out of context and read that.

    • 7papa7

      I don’t agree with Catholic teachings but I never thought I would be justified to call the pope a heretic. That is clearly against Biblical teaching.

    • 7papa7

      I don’t agree with Catholic teachings but I never thought I would be justified to call the pope a heretic. That is clearly against Biblical teaching.

  • Grayce

    The Black Pope, sent to lead people astray.There will be many false prophets.

    • sandraleesmith46

      The “black pope” is what the head of the Jesuit order is usually called. And since the sitting pope is now also a Jesuit, I don’t know if he holds BOTH positions or there are still 2 individuals involved, but the Jesuits ARE behind all that we see happening in our nation and the world now.

  • Grayce

    The Black Pope, sent to lead people astray.There will be many false prophets.

  • ort

    This “pope” sticks his foot in his mouth so often, he probably has athelete’s tongue.
    Does he even read the Bible? And if he does, more importantly, does he even understand it?? With all the things he has said it is apparent he doesn’t.
    This is why man made religions fail.

  • ort

    This “pope” sticks his foot in his mouth so often, he probably has athelete’s tongue.
    Does he even read the Bible? And if he does, more importantly, does he even understand it?? With all the things he has said it is apparent he doesn’t.
    This is why man made religions fail.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Weiner/100001179896625 Regina Weiner

      You may be sure that the Holy Father reads the Bible at least as often as you. See my note above. Keep in mind, you are reading an excerpt of an excerpt of a letter.

      • LittleRoot_48

        When my husband told me he heard this on Good Morning America, NOT directly from the Pope, I told him it was probably “not the entire quote.” If an atheist confesses his sins and professes that Christ died for his sins and accepts Him as his personal Savior, he can go to heaven. No one gets to the Father, but through the Son.

        • ort

          Then that person is no longer an atheist, but a born again saved believer. The things this pope says just do not add up.

        • ort

          Then that person is no longer an atheist, but a born again saved believer. The things this pope says just do not add up.

        • ort

          Then that person is no longer an atheist, but a born again saved believer. The things this pope says just do not add up.

      • LittleRoot_48

        When my husband told me he heard this on Good Morning America, NOT directly from the Pope, I told him it was probably “not the entire quote.” If an atheist confesses his sins and professes that Christ died for his sins and accepts Him as his personal Savior, he can go to heaven. No one gets to the Father, but through the Son.

      • LittleRoot_48

        When my husband told me he heard this on Good Morning America, NOT directly from the Pope, I told him it was probably “not the entire quote.” If an atheist confesses his sins and professes that Christ died for his sins and accepts Him as his personal Savior, he can go to heaven. No one gets to the Father, but through the Son.

      • ort

        The title “Holy Father” is God’s title. This alone is blasphemous in the extreme. To call a sinful, fallible man by this title is distressing.
        Secondly, by the statements this man has made, he may read, but he surely doesn’t comprehend.

        “And do not call any man on earth “father”, for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.” Matthew 23:9.

      • ort

        The title “Holy Father” is God’s title. This alone is blasphemous in the extreme. To call a sinful, fallible man by this title is distressing.
        Secondly, by the statements this man has made, he may read, but he surely doesn’t comprehend.

        “And do not call any man on earth “father”, for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.” Matthew 23:9.

      • ort

        The title “Holy Father” is God’s title. This alone is blasphemous in the extreme. To call a sinful, fallible man by this title is distressing.
        Secondly, by the statements this man has made, he may read, but he surely doesn’t comprehend.

        “And do not call any man on earth “father”, for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.” Matthew 23:9.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Weiner/100001179896625 Regina Weiner

      You may be sure that the Holy Father reads the Bible at least as often as you. See my note above. Keep in mind, you are reading an excerpt of an excerpt of a letter.

    • sandraleesmith46

      The only way to actually understand what the Bible is saying is with the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit; if you try to read it otherwise, it’s “full of contradictions and confusing conflicts” as I’ve so often heard non-believers gripe. That the Pope would come out with such a statement, as speaking for God in the matter of faith, shows that he doesn’t have that indwelling Spirit and the accompanying understanding of the Word that comes with Him. Remember, even Satan quoted scripture to Jesus seeking to convince Him to sin; but clearly Satan didn’t understand either, because in each instance, Jesus had to explain to him what the passage meant, and how to apply it.

    • sandraleesmith46

      The only way to actually understand what the Bible is saying is with the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit; if you try to read it otherwise, it’s “full of contradictions and confusing conflicts” as I’ve so often heard non-believers gripe. That the Pope would come out with such a statement, as speaking for God in the matter of faith, shows that he doesn’t have that indwelling Spirit and the accompanying understanding of the Word that comes with Him. Remember, even Satan quoted scripture to Jesus seeking to convince Him to sin; but clearly Satan didn’t understand either, because in each instance, Jesus had to explain to him what the passage meant, and how to apply it.

      • ort

        Amen, sister!

      • ort

        Amen, sister!

      • ort

        Amen, sister!

  • ort

    This “pope” sticks his foot in his mouth so often, he probably has athelete’s tongue.
    Does he even read the Bible? And if he does, more importantly, does he even understand it?? With all the things he has said it is apparent he doesn’t.
    This is why man made religions fail.

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    I tried to tell so many believers that this pope is a communist.

    • sandraleesmith46

      He is that also. Something the Jesuits invented and convinced ol’ Marx to codify and claim as his own work, as part of discrediting the Jews to the world. Interesting purpose for which the Jesuits were originally ordained, back in 1540.

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    Biblical prophecy coming to fruition. The anti Christ is now the pope.

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    Biblical prophecy coming to fruition. The anti Christ is now the pope.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Close; I suspect strongly he may be the False Prophet we’re cautioned about. But I believe the Anti-Christ will also be the 12th Madhi the Muslims are expecting.

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    Biblical prophecy coming to fruition. The anti Christ is now the pope.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Weiner/100001179896625 Regina Weiner

    Give it a rest, guys. The Holy Father is not saying that salvation is available without Jesus’ blood atonement. He is saying that those people who have not accepted the Gospel due to circumstances GOD JUDGES not to be their fault, can achieve salvation by following their consciences. This is not Protestant theology. I went through this in undergraduate school when a professor pointed out that Harvard and the other New England colleges were founded by the Puritans to enable all to read Scripture, and thus achieve salvation. So, asked I, you’re saying they thought you have to be literate to be saved? Yes, replied Dr. Mayo, you have to be literate to be saved. Talk about salvation by works! So is “accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.” That is also an ACT. It is a good thing, but it is not what saves you.
    What saves us is the blood atonement of Jesus Christ. It is available to all, even if they have never heard the Gospel preached. Jesus also gave us the Great Commission, to go out into the world and preach the Gospel. This binds us as Christians, but it does not bind God to save only those who either never heard the Gospel, or who were scandalized by the behavior of those who brought it to their attention.

    • Me_in_Canada_eh

      Judgment Day will not come until the entire world has heard the Gospel. You do not have to read the Gospel to accept Jesus and be saved, you can simply hear the Word, believe and be saved.

    • ort

      Stop calling a sinful human being “Holy Father”. Do you not understand this is God’s Name/Title??

    • ort

      Stop calling a sinful human being “Holy Father”. Do you not understand this is God’s Name/Title??

    • Cougar Smith

      Any relation to Anthony?

    • sandraleesmith46

      Um, Harvard hasn’t been a Christian school for a couple hundred YEARS now at least, and I wouldn’t believe anyone there talking about religion of any sort, especially not Christianity and what the Bible says; it produced WAY too many heretics in my lifetime alone. And the only HOLY Father is Yhwh, not some guy in the Vatican. Harvard said O is a lawyer too, but the state of Illinois, one of the most corrupt in the nation said NOT, that he’s not lawyer material because he LIED to the IL state BAR! So that’s not much of a reference. If God’s law is written on EVERY heart, what possible circumstance could exist for NOT knowing it, unless the person is an infant, or child too young or too mentally handicapped to comprehend, although many of them get it anyway? That was the same as offering those “get out of hell free” passes to the Mafioso like they’ve been doing for decades.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Um, Harvard hasn’t been a Christian school for a couple hundred YEARS now at least, and I wouldn’t believe anyone there talking about religion of any sort, especially not Christianity and what the Bible says; it produced WAY too many heretics in my lifetime alone. And the only HOLY Father is Yhwh, not some guy in the Vatican. Harvard said O is a lawyer too, but the state of Illinois, one of the most corrupt in the nation said NOT, that he’s not lawyer material because he LIED to the IL state BAR! So that’s not much of a reference. If God’s law is written on EVERY heart, what possible circumstance could exist for NOT knowing it, unless the person is an infant, or child too young or too mentally handicapped to comprehend, although many of them get it anyway? That was the same as offering those “get out of hell free” passes to the Mafioso like they’ve been doing for decades.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Weiner/100001179896625 Regina Weiner

    Give it a rest, guys. The Holy Father is not saying that salvation is available without Jesus’ blood atonement. He is saying that those people who have not accepted the Gospel due to circumstances GOD JUDGES not to be their fault, can achieve salvation by following their consciences. This is not Protestant theology. I went through this in undergraduate school when a professor pointed out that Harvard and the other New England colleges were founded by the Puritans to enable all to read Scripture, and thus achieve salvation. So, asked I, you’re saying they thought you have to be literate to be saved? Yes, replied Dr. Mayo, you have to be literate to be saved. Talk about salvation by works! So is “accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.” That is also an ACT. It is a good thing, but it is not what saves you.
    What saves us is the blood atonement of Jesus Christ. It is available to all, even if they have never heard the Gospel preached. Jesus also gave us the Great Commission, to go out into the world and preach the Gospel. This binds us as Christians, but it does not bind God to save only those who either never heard the Gospel, or who were scandalized by the behavior of those who brought it to their attention.

  • redbird

    there is NO other name under heaven whereby men must be saved than Jesus .

  • redbird

    there is NO other name under heaven whereby men must be saved than Jesus .

  • drthomasedavis

    This Pope may be “Infallible” but he is sending the wrong message; one which will lead sinners to believe that God will simply forgive and forget. I can’t find such a message in my bible. The College of Cardinals MUST set him straight.

    • CherryAnn1000

      The cardinals are as ignorant as the pope. If you really want to learn more about Roman Catholicism, read “The Gospel According to Rome,” by James MacCarthy. Very eye opening.

    • ort

      No human, no matter what silly agenda is cooked up to declare him so, is “infallible”.

    • Dr_Falken

      The Pope doesn’t always speak Infallibly — this has only happened a few times. And has been a complete and utter disaster every.single.time. The very first time this was done, the Pope at the time claimed (infallibly) that Popes can speak Infallibly. There was a ceremony and everything.

      Almost EVERYTHING said by a Pope “infallibly” has been contrary to the Word of G-d (and in fact, in some cases, has represented ideas that were available at the time, and EXPLICITLY REJECTED as part of the Canon Bible in Nicea).

    • Dr_Falken

      The Pope doesn’t always speak Infallibly — this has only happened a few times. And has been a complete and utter disaster every.single.time. The very first time this was done, the Pope at the time claimed (infallibly) that Popes can speak Infallibly. There was a ceremony and everything.

      Almost EVERYTHING said by a Pope “infallibly” has been contrary to the Word of G-d (and in fact, in some cases, has represented ideas that were available at the time, and EXPLICITLY REJECTED as part of the Canon Bible in Nicea).

    • Dr_Falken

      The Pope doesn’t always speak Infallibly — this has only happened a few times. And has been a complete and utter disaster every.single.time. The very first time this was done, the Pope at the time claimed (infallibly) that Popes can speak Infallibly. There was a ceremony and everything.

      Almost EVERYTHING said by a Pope “infallibly” has been contrary to the Word of G-d (and in fact, in some cases, has represented ideas that were available at the time, and EXPLICITLY REJECTED as part of the Canon Bible in Nicea).

  • drthomasedavis

    This Pope may be “Infallible” but he is sending the wrong message; one which will lead sinners to believe that God will simply forgive and forget. I can’t find such a message in my bible. The College of Cardinals MUST set him straight.

  • drthomasedavis

    This Pope may be “Infallible” but he is sending the wrong message; one which will lead sinners to believe that God will simply forgive and forget. I can’t find such a message in my bible. The College of Cardinals MUST set him straight.

  • ron44

    the White throne judgment awaits those who do not believe in GOD and the saving grace of Christ.

  • ron44

    the White throne judgment awaits those who do not believe in GOD and the saving grace of Christ.

  • ron44

    of course those who have never heard of God and were never taught his teachings will be saved, The White throne judgment awaits those who have heard him and ignored him and decided acting evil is ok. All humanity has fallen and the Bible makes that clear.

  • dean29685

    Maybe the end of world people have a point when the pope makes a statement like that I expect the end is near.

    • sandraleesmith46

      It is; Isaiah had a Pipeline to 21st century headlines and wrote about them. So did Daniel, Ezekiel and John.

  • CherryAnn1000

    As usual, the pope is wrong. There is only one way to heaven, and that is through accepting the shed blood of Christ for your sins. That’s it. Following your conscience will lead you into serious trouble, but will not provide salvation. Perhaps the pope should really start reading his Bible.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Particularly when so few seem to even have a conscience that’s functional at all.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Particularly when so few seem to even have a conscience that’s functional at all.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Particularly when so few seem to even have a conscience that’s functional at all.

    • Dr_Falken

      If, as a Catholic, you sit through years A, B, and C, and attend Mass every single day it is offered (there is one day a year Mass is not celebrated), you will hear about 25% of the Bible.

      Apparently, the first 4 books of Genesis is not in that 25%.

    • Dr_Falken

      If, as a Catholic, you sit through years A, B, and C, and attend Mass every single day it is offered (there is one day a year Mass is not celebrated), you will hear about 25% of the Bible.

      Apparently, the first 4 books of Genesis is not in that 25%.

  • CherryAnn1000

    As usual, the pope is wrong. There is only one way to heaven, and that is through accepting the shed blood of Christ for your sins. That’s it. Following your conscience will lead you into serious trouble, but will not provide salvation. Perhaps the pope should really start reading his Bible.

  • CherryAnn1000

    As usual, the pope is wrong. There is only one way to heaven, and that is through accepting the shed blood of Christ for your sins. That’s it. Following your conscience will lead you into serious trouble, but will not provide salvation. Perhaps the pope should really start reading his Bible.

  • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

    Boy is this pope ever so wrong, what is he a satan minion?

    • Cougar Smith

      Yes, and soon to partner up with the antichrist.

    • Cougar Smith

      Yes, and soon to partner up with the antichrist.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Actually, yes; that’s exactly for whom he’s speaking with that message. Whether he intended to do so or not, I don’t know; but he is.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Actually, yes; that’s exactly for whom he’s speaking with that message. Whether he intended to do so or not, I don’t know; but he is.

  • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

    Boy is this pope ever so wrong, what is he a satan minion?

  • Nikonron Digitaldude

    ….C.U.L.T……..always was, always will be…

  • Nikonron Digitaldude

    ….C.U.L.T……..always was, always will be…

  • Nikonron Digitaldude

    ….C.U.L.T……..always was, always will be…

  • tncdel

    Ironically, many who criticize what the pope stated have themselves falsely stated “all you gotta do is to believe.” When in fact the Bible clearly says believing in God is NOT enough to get to heaven, “for even the devils believe… and shudder.”

    • sandraleesmith46

      No, there is a difference, which the amplified Bible makes crystal clear. To be saved you must trust and have total full confidence in and rely on fully the saving work of Jesus on the cross, as the Sacrificial Lamb; that’s a little stronger than simply believing, as in I believe that O is not a natural born citizen of the US and therefore not the POTUS but an usurper. What the Biblical “believe” means is a whole mind, heart, and soul TOTAL unequivocal belief that nothing can change or shake.

    • ort

      Jesus/God Himself said “believe in the One He has sent.” So now God is a liar? You have no discernment of the Word. The Holy Spirit gives that.
      If I say anything else, I will end up parroting sandraleesmith46 and that would be redundant. She said it best, anyway.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

    WHAT A DANGEROUS MESSAGE FROM THIS POPE.!!! MANY PEOPLE MAY BELIEVE THAT, DIE & GO TO HELL! NO OTHER NAME ON EARTH OR UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH MEN CAN BE SAVED.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

    WHAT A DANGEROUS MESSAGE FROM THIS POPE.!!! MANY PEOPLE MAY BELIEVE THAT, DIE & GO TO HELL! NO OTHER NAME ON EARTH OR UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH MEN CAN BE SAVED.

  • celador2

    He is very liberal and acts like their is no need for faith.

  • celador2

    He is very liberal and acts like their is no need for faith.

  • celador2

    He is very liberal and acts like their is no need for faith.

  • redwolf6911

    This guy is the head of the Catholic Church? How many will burn in hell because of what he is teaching?

  • redwolf6911

    This guy is the head of the Catholic Church? How many will burn in hell because of what he is teaching?

  • twiceshy

    This Pope either does not know the Bible or is a disciple of Satan.

  • twiceshy

    This Pope either does not know the Bible or is a disciple of Satan.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Or all of the above.

  • twiceshy

    This Pope either does not know the Bible or is a disciple of Satan.

  • jzandensky

    Yo, Pope! You need to go back to theology class. You skipped something.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Just a little thing; the SALVATION class!

  • jzandensky

    Yo, Pope! You need to go back to theology class. You skipped something.

  • jzandensky

    Yo, Pope! You need to go back to theology class. You skipped something.

  • Cougar Smith

    Although I’m not Catholic, In the past I always held deep respect for the popes. No more. The present pope is simply an apostate from hell.

  • Cougar Smith

    Although I’m not Catholic, In the past I always held deep respect for the popes. No more. The present pope is simply an apostate from hell.

  • getthelibsout

    me thinketh that this pope smoketh the holy herb which groweth out back of the vatican

    • sandraleesmith46

      Me thinketh if that’s his excuse Jesus is not going to be pleased about it….

  • ColoradoTim

    As usual many do not understand this Pope. The church has always stated we are judged for what we know, not for what we don’t. So can you be saved without Knowing Jesus ? Of course, after all I believe that children who die are saved. So if you don’t know Christ you could be saved but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy. St. Paul stated he worked out his salvation in fear and trembling, it is hard to follow your conscience with all of Gods grace, I can’t imagine trying it without Jesus, so we had better spread the Gospel.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Where in this world do you believe the Word has not reached, or is not reaching right now? Even Muslims know about the Gospel, they largely ignore what they know; but they have heard it. So have the Communist Chinese. Children have always been considered innocents until they reach the age of accountability, which in most cultures is about the age of puberty.

  • ColoradoTim

    As usual many do not understand this Pope. The church has always stated we are judged for what we know, not for what we don’t. So can you be saved without Knowing Jesus ? Of course, after all I believe that children who die are saved. So if you don’t know Christ you could be saved but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy. St. Paul stated he worked out his salvation in fear and trembling, it is hard to follow your conscience with all of Gods grace, I can’t imagine trying it without Jesus, so we had better spread the Gospel.

  • ColoradoTim

    As usual many do not understand this Pope. The church has always stated we are judged for what we know, not for what we don’t. So can you be saved without Knowing Jesus ? Of course, after all I believe that children who die are saved. So if you don’t know Christ you could be saved but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy. St. Paul stated he worked out his salvation in fear and trembling, it is hard to follow your conscience with all of Gods grace, I can’t imagine trying it without Jesus, so we had better spread the Gospel.

  • Roy Patterson

    My view, being a Christian, that the only way to God is thru his son Jesus Christ. I’m not Catholic and I really don’t care what the Pope says.

  • Roy Patterson

    My view, being a Christian, that the only way to God is thru his son Jesus Christ. I’m not Catholic and I really don’t care what the Pope says.

  • Roy Patterson

    My view, being a Christian, that the only way to God is thru his son Jesus Christ. I’m not Catholic and I really don’t care what the Pope says.

  • sandraleesmith46

    Sorry, but that’s NOT the message of the Bible, which the Pope purports to speak for and support! Nowhere does God say that you can get to Him except by the shed blood of Jesus, and complete faith and trust in His sacrifice for us on the Cross, and by repentance of sins when asking His forgiveness and to come into one’s heart, which IS the nature of conversion to Christianity. Jesus is THE WAY, period, and He tells us that NO man comes to Him except the Father {Yhwh} draws him to the Son, so there is NO room in the Gospel for the Pope’s message, and it’s a lie to those who try to follow it!

    • Dr_Falken

      Fortunately, the Pope did not say this “infallibly”. Still, I think it may be about time for some Baptist, Mormon, and Jehovah Witness types to consider a Missionary trip to the Vatican. Or at least Argentina. It sounds like they have a different understanding of G-d’s word than we here in the lowly “I only studied the actual Bible for the last 20 years” crowd.

    • Dr_Falken

      Fortunately, the Pope did not say this “infallibly”. Still, I think it may be about time for some Baptist, Mormon, and Jehovah Witness types to consider a Missionary trip to the Vatican. Or at least Argentina. It sounds like they have a different understanding of G-d’s word than we here in the lowly “I only studied the actual Bible for the last 20 years” crowd.

    • Dr_Falken

      Fortunately, the Pope did not say this “infallibly”. Still, I think it may be about time for some Baptist, Mormon, and Jehovah Witness types to consider a Missionary trip to the Vatican. Or at least Argentina. It sounds like they have a different understanding of G-d’s word than we here in the lowly “I only studied the actual Bible for the last 20 years” crowd.

  • sandraleesmith46

    Sorry, but that’s NOT the message of the Bible, which the Pope purports to speak for and support! Nowhere does God say that you can get to Him except by the shed blood of Jesus, and complete faith and trust in His sacrifice for us on the Cross, and by repentance of sins when asking His forgiveness and to come into one’s heart, which IS the nature of conversion to Christianity. Jesus is THE WAY, period, and He tells us that NO man comes to Him except the Father {Yhwh} draws him to the Son, so there is NO room in the Gospel for the Pope’s message, and it’s a lie to those who try to follow it!

  • sandraleesmith46

    Sorry, but that’s NOT the message of the Bible, which the Pope purports to speak for and support! Nowhere does God say that you can get to Him except by the shed blood of Jesus, and complete faith and trust in His sacrifice for us on the Cross, and by repentance of sins when asking His forgiveness and to come into one’s heart, which IS the nature of conversion to Christianity. Jesus is THE WAY, period, and He tells us that NO man comes to Him except the Father {Yhwh} draws him to the Son, so there is NO room in the Gospel for the Pope’s message, and it’s a lie to those who try to follow it!

  • Montesquieu

    While collectivism forces each of us to equality of condition, the individualist recognizes that freedom results from equality of liberty.

  • anarchyst

    Religion is a “conduit” which allows humanity to (attempt to) understand the spiritual aspects of humanity. Spiritual concepts are REAL, are ethereal in nature and as such, humans require a “framework” in which to facilitate understanding. Religion provides that “framework” . . . for many people.

    The Pope is correct . . . there are many good people who have different beliefs–I am not ready to consign them to “the gates of hell” just because they do not believe as I do. How a person lives their life is much more important than what deity they believe in.
    I know that this is heresy to Christians–get over it!

  • anarchyst

    Religion is a “conduit” which allows humanity to (attempt to) understand the spiritual aspects of humanity. Spiritual concepts are REAL, are ethereal in nature and as such, humans require a “framework” in which to facilitate understanding. Religion provides that “framework” . . . for many people.

    The Pope is correct . . . there are many good people who have different beliefs–I am not ready to consign them to “the gates of hell” just because they do not believe as I do. How a person lives their life is much more important than what deity they believe in.
    I know that this is heresy to Christians–get over it!

    • ort

      It has ZERO to do with “believing as you do”. It has EVERYTHING to do with believing God’s Word and living your life by it, repenting and being saved, and trusting in nothing but the Blood of Jesus that purchased our forgiveness, by His death on the cross. He is the Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world.
      And I will not “get over it”, and neither should you! You are playing with your eternity, your priceless soul. You need to get serious real quick. This is not a game.

      • anarchyst

        Of course, it’s not a “game”. Who gave YOU the right to determine whether someone achieves peace in the next level of existence??
        Who are you to determine whether a Hindu, Buddhist or other non-Christian adherent achieves peace in the next life??
        Keep in mind, EVERY individual must take his own path. Christianity works for you (and many others) . . . GOOD, I am glad to hear it.
        I stand by my previous post that it is “un-Christian” like behavior to condemn someone to so-called “eternal damnation” who does not believe as you do . . .

        Those who wear their “religion” on their sleeves can be some of the most hypocritical people alive.

        • ort

          God’s Word, preached as it is written, gives me the right. It is the Word of God that condemns false religions and says that those who reject Christ’s atonement are condemned–”he who has the Son, has Life. He who rejects the Son will not see Life for GOD’S WRATH REMAINS ON HIM.” John 3:36.

          Secondly, every other religion you mention is man made and relies on man’s “righteousness”, which God’s Word says is “filthy rags”, to achieve/earn/buy/pay for, atonement.
          This isn’t possible.
          “For it is by GRACE you are saved through FAITH. It is the GIFT of God, NOT WORKS, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9.

          Jesus/God said “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father, but by Me.” John 14:6.

          So continue rejecting salvation and God’s Word is very clear as to where you will end up. Repent, believe, and be saved and God’s Word is also very clear on where you will spend your eternity. The choice is yours. You have God given free will. He wants us to come to Him freely. He doesn’t want a bunch of pre-programmed robots who love Him because He made it so.
          He wants our love, and repentance, given freely. In return, He gives us forgiveness and eternal Life. Only a fool wouldn’t take that wonderful free gift of Grace and Mercy.

  • anarchyst

    Religion is a “conduit” which allows humanity to (attempt to) understand the spiritual aspects of humanity. Spiritual concepts are REAL, are ethereal in nature and as such, humans require a “framework” in which to facilitate understanding. Religion provides that “framework” . . . for many people.

    The Pope is correct . . . there are many good people who have different beliefs–I am not ready to consign them to “the gates of hell” just because they do not believe as I do. How a person lives their life is much more important than what deity they believe in.
    I know that this is heresy to Christians–get over it!

  • anarchyst

    Catholics DO NOT “worship” saints. Saints are “venerated” and looked upon as “examples” on how to live a chaste life.
    Mary is NOT “worshiped” by Catholics, but is given a “special place” in Catholicism for being the mother of Jesus Christ.
    Statues and icons are NOT “worshiped, contrary to what many protestants believe . . .

    • ort

      Prayer directed to Mary, dead saints and angels implemented in 600 A.D.
      ‘Nuff said.

    • John C. Edwards

      Thou shalt not make any graven image. Or is it simply “just art”? If they aren’t worshiped, then of what use are they?

      • anarchyst

        I can see that you are heavily influenced by “Chick Publications” which is rabidly anti-Catholic and spews outright untruths. If Chick Publications is Christian, heaven help us . . .
        Best regards,

  • anarchyst

    Catholics DO NOT “worship” saints. Saints are “venerated” and looked upon as “examples” on how to live a chaste life.
    Mary is NOT “worshiped” by Catholics, but is given a “special place” in Catholicism for being the mother of Jesus Christ.
    Statues and icons are NOT “worshiped, contrary to what many protestants believe . . .

  • william c

    How can one who denies the creator expect to be recognized by him? It is not even a matter of believing in Jesus, it is a matter of denying the existence of God. I am not betting my eternity on the possibility that God might forgive me for denying him.

  • william c

    How can one who denies the creator expect to be recognized by him? It is not even a matter of believing in Jesus, it is a matter of denying the existence of God. I am not betting my eternity on the possibility that God might forgive me for denying him.

  • william c

    How can one who denies the creator expect to be recognized by him? It is not even a matter of believing in Jesus, it is a matter of denying the existence of God. I am not betting my eternity on the possibility that God might forgive me for denying him.

  • Derick Moore

    Proving that the Pope is not infallible or wise, and that the Pope is foolish, depending on his own understanding! (I’m not Catholic, but even so, I am astounded!)

    What do Catholic’s think?

    • Dr_Falken

      *This* Catholic is appalled by these statements, if they are in context (and I’m trying hard to imagine how they couldn’t be). Psalms is very clear: “A fool says ‘There is no G-d’ “.

      I truly hope this Pope Francis isn’t the Joel Osteen of the Catholic faith.

    • Dr_Falken

      *This* Catholic is appalled by these statements, if they are in context (and I’m trying hard to imagine how they couldn’t be). Psalms is very clear: “A fool says ‘There is no G-d’ “.

      I truly hope this Pope Francis isn’t the Joel Osteen of the Catholic faith.

    • Dr_Falken

      *This* Catholic is appalled by these statements, if they are in context (and I’m trying hard to imagine how they couldn’t be). Psalms is very clear: “A fool says ‘There is no G-d’ “.

      I truly hope this Pope Francis isn’t the Joel Osteen of the Catholic faith.

  • Dr_Falken

    This is not just a simple mistake. This is an *evil* mistake. In Genesis, the Original Sin was when Satan convinced Eve that if she were to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge and Death, she would be “as G-ds” — in short, she could be her own G-d. Of course, she wanted Adam to join her in this, and they both sinned.

    Here, the Pope(!) is saying we if we follow our own conscience, we don’t have to believe in G-d (because we, essentially, would *be* our own G-d, answering only to our conscience). I truly hope that this can be explained as a language/translation issue in the Pope’s message. We know that the Pope has personally answered calls and letters in the past, and it is very likely that this message from the Pope didn’t go through any sort of process of “Hey, could someone please check this for theological errors?” test. But it scares the Hell out of me that THE leader of the Church doesn’t have a passing understanding of the first 4 books of the Bible.

  • Dr_Falken

    This is not just a simple mistake. This is an *evil* mistake. In Genesis, the Original Sin was when Satan convinced Eve that if she were to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge and Death, she would be “as G-ds” — in short, she could be her own G-d. Of course, she wanted Adam to join her in this, and they both sinned.

    Here, the Pope(!) is saying we if we follow our own conscience, we don’t have to believe in G-d (because we, essentially, would *be* our own G-d, answering only to our conscience). I truly hope that this can be explained as a language/translation issue in the Pope’s message. We know that the Pope has personally answered calls and letters in the past, and it is very likely that this message from the Pope didn’t go through any sort of process of “Hey, could someone please check this for theological errors?” test. But it scares the Hell out of me that THE leader of the Church doesn’t have a passing understanding of the first 4 books of the Bible.

  • Dr_Falken

    This is not just a simple mistake. This is an *evil* mistake. In Genesis, the Original Sin was when Satan convinced Eve that if she were to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge and Death, she would be “as G-ds” — in short, she could be her own G-d. Of course, she wanted Adam to join her in this, and they both sinned.

    Here, the Pope(!) is saying we if we follow our own conscience, we don’t have to believe in G-d (because we, essentially, would *be* our own G-d, answering only to our conscience). I truly hope that this can be explained as a language/translation issue in the Pope’s message. We know that the Pope has personally answered calls and letters in the past, and it is very likely that this message from the Pope didn’t go through any sort of process of “Hey, could someone please check this for theological errors?” test. But it scares the Hell out of me that THE leader of the Church doesn’t have a passing understanding of the first 4 books of the Bible.

  • old_salty_dawg99

    This shows that the Pope is not a man of GOD or he would know this FACT. CHRIST is the only way to heaven and GOD said so. He knows nothing about GOD’S HOLY WORD but given that he is the Leader of a bunch of IDOL Worshippers so what can one expect? GOD via HIS SON CHRIST stated this I am the way the TRUTH and the Life none come to the Father except by me. So if the Pope says there are other ways to GOD he is a LIAR. That GOD will make sure those who LIE to others about him will be given a place in the Lake of Fire along side Satan and his false prophet and the Anti-Christ. So if you want to avoid that Lake and burning without Burning Up throughout ETERNITY all you have to do is this Believe in CHRIST with your heart and Soul then you will go to Heaven. Now you ask what do I mean by what I just said. Well CHRIST is the SON of GOD who DIED for your sin and My sin. He gave his life so that man9you and me) could live with GOD by paying the debt we cannot pay ourselves our sin debt. CHRIST was Born and Lived a SINLESS life he was hanged on the Cross for those sins that we committed(you and I) and he gave his life to pay for our sins. He could have left that cross at any time he wanted to but he did not because he Loved us. He bled and died to give us a path to GOD. After he was taken from the Cross he spent three days in the Tomb but on the Morning of the Third day he rose from the Dead to give us everlasting Life. Now all one has to do to get the Gift of GRACE(unmerited favor) is to admit that you are a sinner and need Christ to save you and then Ask him to do so. Take those two steps ad you are saved. It takes nothing more no other thing is needed to be saved if someone says differently is a LIAR and not to be trusted. Get yourself a King James BIBLE AV1611 and read it and find a Church that teaches it and no other book. Once you know the TRUTH and are taught about Christ then you will see that the Pope LIES as do any other group that teaches any thing but the King James BIBLE and that CHRIST is not the SON of GOD and the only way to Heaven. Those who teach otherwise they are LIARS ad should not be believed.

  • old_salty_dawg99

    This shows that the Pope is not a man of GOD or he would know this FACT. CHRIST is the only way to heaven and GOD said so. He knows nothing about GOD’S HOLY WORD but given that he is the Leader of a bunch of IDOL Worshippers so what can one expect? GOD via HIS SON CHRIST stated this I am the way the TRUTH and the Life none come to the Father except by me. So if the Pope says there are other ways to GOD he is a LIAR. That GOD will make sure those who LIE to others about him will be given a place in the Lake of Fire along side Satan and his false prophet and the Anti-Christ. So if you want to avoid that Lake and burning without Burning Up throughout ETERNITY all you have to do is this Believe in CHRIST with your heart and Soul then you will go to Heaven. Now you ask what do I mean by what I just said. Well CHRIST is the SON of GOD who DIED for your sin and My sin. He gave his life so that man9you and me) could live with GOD by paying the debt we cannot pay ourselves our sin debt. CHRIST was Born and Lived a SINLESS life he was hanged on the Cross for those sins that we committed(you and I) and he gave his life to pay for our sins. He could have left that cross at any time he wanted to but he did not because he Loved us. He bled and died to give us a path to GOD. After he was taken from the Cross he spent three days in the Tomb but on the Morning of the Third day he rose from the Dead to give us everlasting Life. Now all one has to do to get the Gift of GRACE(unmerited favor) is to admit that you are a sinner and need Christ to save you and then Ask him to do so. Take those two steps ad you are saved. It takes nothing more no other thing is needed to be saved if someone says differently is a LIAR and not to be trusted. Get yourself a King James BIBLE AV1611 and read it and find a Church that teaches it and no other book. Once you know the TRUTH and are taught about Christ then you will see that the Pope LIES as do any other group that teaches any thing but the King James BIBLE and that CHRIST is not the SON of GOD and the only way to Heaven. Those who teach otherwise they are LIARS ad should not be believed.

  • old_salty_dawg99

    This shows that the Pope is not a man of GOD or he would know this FACT. CHRIST is the only way to heaven and GOD said so. He knows nothing about GOD’S HOLY WORD but given that he is the Leader of a bunch of IDOL Worshippers so what can one expect? GOD via HIS SON CHRIST stated this I am the way the TRUTH and the Life none come to the Father except by me. So if the Pope says there are other ways to GOD he is a LIAR. That GOD will make sure those who LIE to others about him will be given a place in the Lake of Fire along side Satan and his false prophet and the Anti-Christ. So if you want to avoid that Lake and burning without Burning Up throughout ETERNITY all you have to do is this Believe in CHRIST with your heart and Soul then you will go to Heaven. Now you ask what do I mean by what I just said. Well CHRIST is the SON of GOD who DIED for your sin and My sin. He gave his life so that man9you and me) could live with GOD by paying the debt we cannot pay ourselves our sin debt. CHRIST was Born and Lived a SINLESS life he was hanged on the Cross for those sins that we committed(you and I) and he gave his life to pay for our sins. He could have left that cross at any time he wanted to but he did not because he Loved us. He bled and died to give us a path to GOD. After he was taken from the Cross he spent three days in the Tomb but on the Morning of the Third day he rose from the Dead to give us everlasting Life. Now all one has to do to get the Gift of GRACE(unmerited favor) is to admit that you are a sinner and need Christ to save you and then Ask him to do so. Take those two steps ad you are saved. It takes nothing more no other thing is needed to be saved if someone says differently is a LIAR and not to be trusted. Get yourself a King James BIBLE AV1611 and read it and find a Church that teaches it and no other book. Once you know the TRUTH and are taught about Christ then you will see that the Pope LIES as do any other group that teaches any thing but the King James BIBLE and that CHRIST is not the SON of GOD and the only way to Heaven. Those who teach otherwise they are LIARS ad should not be believed.

  • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

    What if you have a poorly formed conscience? I’ m sure the Moose Limb who cut the heart out of a Syrian soldier and took a bite was following his conscience and believes he is giving glory to God. I thought the pope was supposed to be Catholic.

    • Susan

      He is….but is he? Read Bella Dodd’s book and read Fr. Oko’s Report on “Homoheresy” and also St. Pope Pius X’s encyclical, Pascendi. Makes you truly “wonder” who this “pope” is? Is he a Marxist? Is he a Freemason? Both profoundly condemned prior to Vatican II and the infiltration of the “Smoke of Satan”.

    • Susan

      He is….but is he? Read Bella Dodd’s book and read Fr. Oko’s Report on “Homoheresy” and also St. Pope Pius X’s encyclical, Pascendi. Makes you truly “wonder” who this “pope” is? Is he a Marxist? Is he a Freemason? Both profoundly condemned prior to Vatican II and the infiltration of the “Smoke of Satan”.

  • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

    What if you have a poorly formed conscience? I’ m sure the Moose Limb who cut the heart out of a Syrian soldier and took a bite was following his conscience and believes he is giving glory to God. I thought the pope was supposed to be Catholic.

  • Jacobb Chapman

    “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one can get through the Father except through me.”

    • Michael Thomas

      That scripture is not a formula for how to get to heaven. Jesus is trying to portray that “No one can understand the Father without me.” You can’t understand God from the Old Testament. You can’t understand God through the narrow view of the Pharisee’s. As John said, no one has seen the father at any time, the only begotten son who is near the father’s heart, he has made him known. Jesus wasn’t talking about heaven at all, but how to understand God. Jesus came to show us what God was like.

  • Jacobb Chapman

    “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one can get through the Father except through me.”

  • sdfjafa

    I think the media would very likely be twisting his words.

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