Strange Coincidences Involved In Navy Yard And Fort Hood Massacres

I’ve discovered some startling weirdness in the news of the day: A shooting rampage massacre was carried out this morning at an American military base in Washington, D.C., by a serviceman from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area of Texas, and has resulted in the deaths of thirteen people.

A shooting rampage massacre was carried out four years ago at a military base in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area of Texas, by a serviceman from the Washington, D.C. area, and it resulted in the deaths of thirteen people.

It’s early in the investigation and information is still coming in, but as I sat down to write my report of today’s drama for ClashDaily.com, it occurred to me that the incident featured more odd correspondence with Major Nidal Hasan’s jihad attack at Fort Hood than only the number of confirmed dead.

Nidal Hasan was born and raised in the Arlington, Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C. He shot dozens of his fellow U.S. Army personnel, killing 13, at Fort Hood, which is located just outside the greater Dallas-Ft. Worth area in Texas.

Aaron Alexis, this morning’s Navy Yard shooter, is reported by NBC News to be originally from Fort Worth, Texas (although, other sources have him from Brooklyn, NY). He shot dozens of his fellow U.S. Navy personnel, killing 13, at the Washington Navy Yard, which is located just across the Potomac River from Hasan’s hometown of Arlington, Virginia–incidentally, the site of the Pentagon.

I’m not suggesting any particular kind of conspiracy here, but it does seem like a bizarre set of ironic circumstances among the two attacks.

I live and work in the Washington, D.C. area, and I was driving past the Navy Yard on I-295 this morning as the horrific incident took place there. Not only was the highway scene chaotic with police vehicles screaming to try to get through the heavy rush-hour traffic to the base, there were multiple wrecks all over the place, and police had certain exits blocked off.

Later, in the afternoon, my work had me driving past the base again, and I contemplated the evacuated federal facilities and police-barricaded highway ramps.

I reflected on the 9/11 attacks of a dozen years ago, the anniversary of which we observed just last week, and how the Washington, D.C. area was affected so much by that event. I also recalled how the “Beltway Snipers” held the entire D.C. area in their grip of terror for three weeks in 2002, as they drove around the District, and the suburbs of Maryland and Virginia, picking off random victims. Their victims, by the way, also happened to number thirteen killed and wounded–with additional victims suspected (but not completely confirmed) to be associated with the sick sniper spree jihad of John Mohammed and Lee Boyd Malvo.

As we learn more about Aaron Alexis and about the exact details of what happened at the Navy Yard today, we can be sure that various parties will politicize (already have, actually) the awful loss of innocent life to their own cynical advantage.

Today I witnessed and heard a couple of my fellow Beltway-area denizens seek to downplay and even ignore completely what was going on at the Navy Yard. Such people seem, to me, to be so jaded and calloused to the nearly routine terrorism threats and occasional occurrences of random, mass violence associated with life in and around our nation’s capital that they try to act as if they just can’t be bothered to focus their personal alertness on such events, possible or actual, anymore, much less meditate upon their meaning…as long as they can somehow distance themselves from the occurrences, and from the victims and perpetrators, in whatever way.

I can’t. I have to focus and meditate on the import of such happenings. It’s my work, and apparently it’s my nature. Furthermore, I have to wonder what the patterns mean, and what else–coincidences, conspiracies, and/or confluences included–we might find out about.

Stay tuned, stay vigilant, and stay weird. More will be revealed.

About the author: Donald Joy

Following his service in the United State Air Force, Donald Joy earned a bachelor of science in business administration from SUNY while serving in the army national guard. As a special deputy U.S. marshal, Don was on the protection detail for Attorney General John Ashcroft following the attacks of 9/11. He lives in the D.C. suburbs of Northern Virginia with his wife and son.

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  • Michelle Prescott

    Aaron Alexis was born and raised in QUEENS NEW YORK. He entered the navy from NEW YORK. On the FBI poster looking for info on him, it states be was born in QUEENS NY in 1979.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Read the article. It is being widely reported, by NBC News and other sources, that Alexis is from Ft. Worth. I acknowledged that other sources place his home as NYC.

  • Michelle Prescott

    Aaron Alexis was born and raised in QUEENS NEW YORK. He entered the navy from NEW YORK. On the FBI poster looking for info on him, it states be was born in QUEENS NY in 1979.

  • Michelle Prescott

    2nd… Ft Hood is not “just outside” Dallas Ft Worth, it is about 2 1/2 hours south of DFW. I know, I spent a total of 7 years at Ft Hood.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      “…just outside the greater Dallas-Ft. Worth area.” Note the specific qualifying language. Ft. Hood is closer to DFW than to any other major metropolitan area.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      “…just outside the greater Dallas-Ft. Worth area.” Note the specific qualifying language. Ft. Hood is closer to DFW than to any other major metropolitan area.

      • sanlyn

        Wrong – Ft. Hood is closer to Austin than DFW. I live between the two.

        • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

          Austin is tiny compared to DFW. In the big picture, Ft. Hood is close enough to DFW to point out the odd coincidence, which is all I’m doing. Proportionally, Ft. Hood is to Ft. Worth as Washington Navy Yard is to Arlington, VA.

          • Ann Cain

            That statement doesn’t ring true since the Navy Shipyard is really in the same city as DC. Grand Prairie is to Dallas what the Navy Shipyard is to DC. Also, he didn’t work there …. the speculation is he might have had a contractor’s pass and that’s how he made entry.
            But I still find your analogy interesting. However, if there was a second shooter, we have much more to consider.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            150 miles in TX = 1.5 miles in D.C.

          • Bill Hobbs

            No it doesn’t. Not even close. 1.5 miles in DC = 5,898 miles in Texas, proportionally. You’re off by 5,748 miles.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            150 miles in TX = 1.5 miles in D.C.

          • justathinkin54

            You will never find the second shooter. They seem to disappear as they did in Colorado and Newtowne. There was chatter on the police radios and eye witnesses, in the Colorado case, of second shooters but they disappeared. Why is it the shooters, most of the time end up dead but they are not sure if they were self inflicted deaths or by a law officer, just-a-thinkin.

          • justathinkin54

            You will never find the second shooter. They seem to disappear as they did in Colorado and Newtowne. There was chatter on the police radios and eye witnesses, in the Colorado case, of second shooters but they disappeared. Why is it the shooters, most of the time end up dead but they are not sure if they were self inflicted deaths or by a law officer, just-a-thinkin.

          • ThomPaineJr12

            “the odd coincidence” that is razor thin.. Mr Joy grasping at straws .. suggesting a conspiracy while denying that he is doing so.

          • chamuiel

            “Ft. Hood is to Ft. Worth as Washington Navy Yard is to Arlington, VA.”

            Not hardly. You must be joking.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            A bullseye shot at 3 yards is equivalent to a shot placed two or three inches out from the bullseye at 20 yards.

          • chamuiel

            “Ft. Hood is to Ft. Worth as Washington Navy Yard is to Arlington, VA.”

            Not hardly. You must be joking.

          • chamuiel

            “Ft. Hood is to Ft. Worth as Washington Navy Yard is to Arlington, VA.”

            Not hardly. You must be joking.

        • ThomPaineJr12

          Don’t confuse Mr. Joy with facts!!

          • sanlyn

            You got that right!

        • ThomPaineJr12

          Don’t confuse Mr. Joy with facts!!

      • sanlyn

        Wrong – Ft. Hood is closer to Austin than DFW. I live between the two.

      • sanlyn

        Wrong – Ft. Hood is closer to Austin than DFW. I live between the two.

    • freemanfornow

      Here, in Texas, 2.5 hours IS “just outside”.

    • freemanfornow

      Here, in Texas, 2.5 hours IS “just outside”.

  • Michelle Prescott

    2nd… Ft Hood is not “just outside” Dallas Ft Worth, it is about 2 1/2 hours south of DFW. I know, I spent a total of 7 years at Ft Hood.

  • Michelle Prescott

    2nd… Ft Hood is not “just outside” Dallas Ft Worth, it is about 2 1/2 hours south of DFW. I know, I spent a total of 7 years at Ft Hood.

  • riversong1220

    Will this be workplace violence too?

    • fliteking

      Likely, we would not want to take care of the underlings in the military . . . would set a bad example.

    • fliteking

      Likely, we would not want to take care of the underlings in the military . . . would set a bad example.

    • fliteking

      Likely, we would not want to take care of the underlings in the military . . . would set a bad example.

    • Nancy

      BHO already called it work place violence in his speech, so yes God has spoken.

      • ThomPaineJr12

        What would you call it? What difference does it make?

        • JulieB

          Let me guess……..one of Hillary’s sheeple people?

          • Marlin208

            No, Tommy is just your average everyday idiot that lives in his mothers basement and plays on his computer. He hasn’t any friends and he spends his life on here letting everyone know how stupid he is.

          • DrSique

            All true. I just wish that the zitty little troll would lose the handle. Thomas Paine(the original, not the cellar dweller) was a patriot of the highest order.

        • JulieB

          Let me guess……..one of Hillary’s sheeple people?

        • JulieB

          Let me guess……..one of Hillary’s sheeple people?

        • chamuiel

          perhaps a false flag operation to get support for more gun control.

          • ThomPaineJr12

            “a a false flag operation” ?? meaning what? set up? How exactly? HAHAHA

          • chamuiel

            The shooter of Gabby Giffords was having mental problems. Major Nidal Hasan obviously had mental problems. The shooter in Aurora had mental problems, The shooter at the Navy yard had mental problems. Don’t even you find it funny that all of these mentally deficient people are picking obama’s watch to go berserk and start shooting up people. It is just a little to convienent for obama and the anti gun crowd to have all these shootings to happen exactly when they need them to continue their anti gun push. People have a way of mysteriously dying when obama needs them to, like the gays in Chicago that knew obama Eveything is just too convienentt for obama. Diane Feistein did not even wait 4 hours after the Navy yard shooting to start her bush for banning assault rifles again.

            Guess what obama, and Diane, the shooter did not use a AR 15 type weapon in the shooting. Even the press is now admitting this fact.

            If you think they are all just coincidences, fine, I have dome desert property in Arizona, I am sure you would be interested in. Either that, or you cannot think, you old liberal.

          • ThomPaineJr12

            So your conspiracy theory is that the Obama White House found these mentally ill people and brainwashed them into committing mass murder? And brainwashed the ones that survived into not remembering that they were brainwashed? HAHAHAHAAHA!

          • ThomPaineJr12

            So your conspiracy theory is that the Obama White House found these mentally ill people and brainwashed them into committing mass murder? And brainwashed the ones that survived into not remembering that they were brainwashed? HAHAHAHAAHA!

          • chamuiel

            The shooter of Gabby Giffords was having mental problems. Major Nidal Hasan obviously had mental problems. The shooter in Aurora had mental problems, The shooter at the Navy yard had mental problems. Don’t even you find it funny that all of these mentally deficient people are picking obama’s watch to go berserk and start shooting up people. It is just a little to convienent for obama and the anti gun crowd to have all these shootings to happen exactly when they need them to continue their anti gun push. People have a way of mysteriously dying when obama needs them to, like the gays in Chicago that knew obama Eveything is just too convienentt for obama. Diane Feistein did not even wait 4 hours after the Navy yard shooting to start her bush for banning assault rifles again.

            Guess what obama, and Diane, the shooter did not use a AR 15 type weapon in the shooting. Even the press is now admitting this fact.

            If you think they are all just coincidences, fine, I have dome desert property in Arizona, I am sure you would be interested in. Either that, or you cannot think, you old liberal.

        • chamuiel

          perhaps a false flag operation to get support for more gun control.

        • JaundicedView

          Why would you use the same words that wicked woman Hillary Clinton used to refer to the slain of that embassy mess? Have no shame, or just no common sense?

  • riversong1220

    Gee and I thought mass murder was exclusively a white man crime, How racist of me to think that.

    • fliteking

      Hmmmmm, those with Islamic background come to mind. . . many differing ethnic backgrounds.

    • fliteking

      Hmmmmm, those with Islamic background come to mind. . . many differing ethnic backgrounds.

    • Ann Cain

      I had that exact same thought.

    • Ann Cain

      I had that exact same thought.

    • UnCL3

      Ya, that was the first thing I thought, too, as the Leftist freaks always like to point out “crazy white serial killers/mass murderers”

      • Gomer Pyle

        Don’t forget …. “Creepy Ass Crackers” !!!!

        • chamuiel

          creepy azz cracka is the proper term, and supposedly it is not racist.

        • chamuiel

          creepy azz cracka is the proper term, and supposedly it is not racist.

        • chamuiel

          creepy azz cracka is the proper term, and supposedly it is not racist.

      • Gomer Pyle

        Don’t forget …. “Creepy Ass Crackers” !!!!

      • marcyharris92

        The interesting thing about the crazy white killers is that none of them except possibly McVeigh (hard to really figure that out since he had all kinds of connections from left to right to Muslim) were hard Left Progressives or the children of same if they were to young to vote.
        This guy was a Big Obama supporter. Another left wing nut.

        • UnCL3

          don’t forget the Weather Underground…they are to be admired (NOT)

        • UnCL3

          don’t forget the Weather Underground…they are to be admired (NOT)

        • UnCL3

          don’t forget the Weather Underground…they are to be admired (NOT)

      • marcyharris92

        The interesting thing about the crazy white killers is that none of them except possibly McVeigh (hard to really figure that out since he had all kinds of connections from left to right to Muslim) were hard Left Progressives or the children of same if they were to young to vote.
        This guy was a Big Obama supporter. Another left wing nut.

      • marcyharris92

        The interesting thing about the crazy white killers is that none of them except possibly McVeigh (hard to really figure that out since he had all kinds of connections from left to right to Muslim) were hard Left Progressives or the children of same if they were to young to vote.
        This guy was a Big Obama supporter. Another left wing nut.

    • ThomPaineJr12

      More like how stupid of you.

      • chamuiel

        Why would she be stupid for saying that? Do you know how many black people I saw after the Trayvon shooting who said mass killing were always done by white men?

        Apparently, you do not keep up, or even try. If you did, you would have understood what riversong meant.

        I mean it is all the blacks keep telling us. All mass killings are done by white men.

        • ThomPaineJr12

          If you count mass killings separately from serial killings, this is the first by a black person that I know of.

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Colin Ferguson

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Colin Ferguson

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            Colin Ferguson

          • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

            The shooter at Appalachian Law School in 2001 was black, and might have shot many more except he was stopped early into it.

          • chamuiel

            Even one mass killing by a black is more than none. When they say blacks don’t do mass killings, they mean none. Obviously, you are too interested in being a contrarian to even understand the message,

          • chamuiel

            Even one mass killing by a black is more than none. When they say blacks don’t do mass killings, they mean none. Obviously, you are too interested in being a contrarian to even understand the message,

          • chamuiel

            Even one mass killing by a black is more than none. When they say blacks don’t do mass killings, they mean none. Obviously, you are too interested in being a contrarian to even understand the message,

      • chamuiel

        you know of course that you do a disservice to the name Thomas Paine.

      • chamuiel

        you know of course that you do a disservice to the name Thomas Paine.

      • chamuiel

        you know of course that you do a disservice to the name Thomas Paine.

    • BillP1966

      The liberfuks need to take a walk through the south side of shitcago then, since there is a weekly mass shooting there. All of course perpetrated by BLACK SKINNED gang bangers.

    • BillP1966

      The liberfuks need to take a walk through the south side of shitcago then, since there is a weekly mass shooting there. All of course perpetrated by BLACK SKINNED gang bangers.

  • Stephan Drake

    So is this Travors brother, Obama’s other son?

    • Ann Cain

      His nephew! LOL

    • Ann Cain

      His nephew! LOL

    • Ann Cain

      His nephew! LOL

    • wa2pu

      Yup another S.o.B. a Son of Baracks that is.

    • Brianbrown28us

      Maybe his gay lover when Mike… oops….I mean Moochelle, is on one of his…..her….Taxpayer funded vacations.

    • Brianbrown28us

      Maybe his gay lover when Mike… oops….I mean Moochelle, is on one of his…..her….Taxpayer funded vacations.

  • fliteking

    Reports are suggesting the shooter was a Buddhist . . . a profile built on his history and demographics strongly suggests the potential for Aaron Alexis being a Muslim.

    Bet: We find out the Gov’t had knowledge of this disturbed individuals deficits, as they did with Nidal Hasan

    Thanks for another Great Article Donald.

  • fliteking

    Reports are suggesting the shooter was a Buddhist . . . a profile built on his history and demographics strongly suggests the potential for Aaron Alexis being a Muslim.

    Bet: We find out the Gov’t had knowledge of this disturbed individuals deficits, as they did with Nidal Hasan

    Thanks for another Great Article Donald.

    • sandraleesmith46

      He was discharged in ’11 for a pattern of problematic behavior, according to an LA Times report yesterday, after 4 years. Whether or not it was a BCD wasn’t stated. But it shows they dis know he was trouble, which begs the question why he’d been working as a civilian contractor there, at this time…

    • sandraleesmith46

      He was discharged in ’11 for a pattern of problematic behavior, according to an LA Times report yesterday, after 4 years. Whether or not it was a BCD wasn’t stated. But it shows they dis know he was trouble, which begs the question why he’d been working as a civilian contractor there, at this time…

      • victorbarney

        Again, see above! Duh?

      • Jacobb Chapman

        You may not agree with me, but maybe they should require psychological testing by a military psychiatrist BEFORE anyone enlist into the Military. When I enlisted, they simply had me fill out a piece of paper asking me a crap load of medical questions that included a mental health section. You get a medical evaluation while you’re there, but they don’t bother to give you a psychological exam. Anyone can lie and get in. It’s really that simple. A Soldier told me he lied about not having asthma. Another one, who I went to High School with, lied about not having Bi polar disorder. They should evaluate each potential Recruit to ensure they are mentally stable to be in the Military. They don’t check your medical history, so it’s still possible to lie, but at least they are taking the “extra step” to only recruit people who are mentally fit and able to handle the stresses of military service. Thy only do a psychological evaluation when a waiver is needed to enlist.

        • DrSique

          Nidal Hassan was a military psychiatrist. The problem, IMHO, lies with numbers. There are four million people holding security clearances, in America. It is impossible to keep track of and/or revue them on any basis. This is one more guy who should have raised red flags while our federal government is too busy spying on every single living American. So were the underwear bomber, the afore mentioned Hassan, the Tsanaraev brothers, and even the Colorado cinema shooter. Each of them should have landed on the radar of law enforcement. Unfortunately, they are buried under worthless intel about you and me.

          • Jacobb Chapman

            Our government is too busy spying on millions of innocent civilians. They don’t have time to focus on spying on the real terrorists. If the Patriot Act is so successful, then how come the Boston bombing happened?

          • Douglas W. Rodrigues

            That’s what happens when bureaucrats have way too much time on their hands that they have to invent something to do.

          • Douglas W. Rodrigues

            That’s what happens when bureaucrats have way too much time on their hands that they have to invent something to do.

          • JaundicedView

            Not trying to be obnoxious, just a FYI. It’s “review”. Revue is a Rockettes thing. :)

          • JaundicedView

            Not trying to be obnoxious, just a FYI. It’s “review”. Revue is a Rockettes thing. :)

          • JaundicedView

            Not trying to be obnoxious, just a FYI. It’s “review”. Revue is a Rockettes thing. :)

          • marcyharris92

            More of a problem was that this was a military base and supposedly staffed by members of our “armed forces.” Unfortunately our forces were “disarmed forces” and didn’t have a chance against a man with a gun. If they had been armed this would have been concluded after one or two shots with Aaron being dead and the rest alive. Gun free zones are the choice of every mass shooter in recent times. Schools, theaters, Malls or even (who would have guessed it) military bases.

          • marcyharris92

            More of a problem was that this was a military base and supposedly staffed by members of our “armed forces.” Unfortunately our forces were “disarmed forces” and didn’t have a chance against a man with a gun. If they had been armed this would have been concluded after one or two shots with Aaron being dead and the rest alive. Gun free zones are the choice of every mass shooter in recent times. Schools, theaters, Malls or even (who would have guessed it) military bases.

          • Barb334

            We can thank Bill clinton for disarming our Military at home.

          • Barb334

            We can thank Bill clinton for disarming our Military at home.

          • Barb334

            We can thank Bill clinton for disarming our Military at home.

          • marcyharris92

            More of a problem was that this was a military base and supposedly staffed by members of our “armed forces.” Unfortunately our forces were “disarmed forces” and didn’t have a chance against a man with a gun. If they had been armed this would have been concluded after one or two shots with Aaron being dead and the rest alive. Gun free zones are the choice of every mass shooter in recent times. Schools, theaters, Malls or even (who would have guessed it) military bases.

        • Rightandwrong

          He was in the reserves. He never was full time military.

          • Jay Star

            Well, that certainly makes a difference then, doesnt it?

          • Gomer Pyle

            WRONG [again]…. this Muslim was a FULL TIME member of the Reserves…… they [the reserves] do have members that work FULL TIME…just like the the Regular military……Most ,,but not all,, members of “the Reserves” are weekend warriors,,,BUT some are FULL TIME reservists.

            I know,, I was a member of 4th ANGLICO USMC in West Palm Beach, FL…late 70′s, early 80′s

          • Jacobb Chapman

            I haven’t met any current Reservists that are full-time. The ones I know are weekend Soldiers, go to College, and even work another part-time job. There may be some full-time Reservists out there, but I haven’t met any.

          • John Hand

            Every unit, Reserve or National Guard has full time soldiers assigned. They work there full time weekly and when the unit drills on the weekend, or goes to annual training, or is activated, they go along. Those soldiers are in the AGR program. Active Guard Reserve. Hit the local McDonalds type place at lunch time and if there is a unit nearby, chances are you might see a soldier, one or more, in uniform and not on just a weekend.

          • Jacobb Chapman

            I haven’t met any current Reservists that are full-time. The ones I know are weekend Soldiers, go to College, and even work another part-time job. There may be some full-time Reservists out there, but I haven’t met any.

          • Gomer Pyle

            WRONG [again]…. this Muslim was a FULL TIME member of the Reserves…… they [the reserves] do have members that work FULL TIME…just like the the Regular military……Most ,,but not all,, members of “the Reserves” are weekend warriors,,,BUT some are FULL TIME reservists.

            I know,, I was a member of 4th ANGLICO USMC in West Palm Beach, FL…late 70′s, early 80′s

          • Gomer Pyle

            WRONG [again]…. this Muslim was a FULL TIME member of the Reserves…… they [the reserves] do have members that work FULL TIME…just like the the Regular military……Most ,,but not all,, members of “the Reserves” are weekend warriors,,,BUT some are FULL TIME reservists.

            I know,, I was a member of 4th ANGLICO USMC in West Palm Beach, FL…late 70′s, early 80′s

          • Jacobb Chapman

            Reservists serve our military with just as much honor as active duty Soldiers. The only difference is, is that they are “part-time” soldiers.

          • Knightowl

            Unless they were ever on active duty at some point, they don’t have the military education, experience or disciplines beyond week-ends and occasional two-week “vacations” playing military…

          • Jacobb Chapman

            So you’re saying Reservists don’t serve our Country? I know many Reservists who got deployed.

          • Knightowl

            Read my post again s l o w l y …What part of “active duty” didn’t you understand?

          • Jacobb Chapman

            I don’t care what you have to say, to be honest. Reservists are Soldiers and wear the uniform proudly. Same goes with the National Guard. They all wear the same uniform and serve the same Country.

          • Knightowl

            Not worth arguing about…

          • Knightowl

            Read my post again s l o w l y …What part of “active duty” didn’t you understand?

          • Knightowl

            Read my post again s l o w l y …What part of “active duty” didn’t you understand?

          • John Hand

            Get it right, Knightowl. The majority of reservists nowadays are older and have either served on active duty and then came out to enlist in the reserve, or they have been in the reserve for years and have been activated at some time in the past. Quit thinking that ‘part-time’ soldiers are less qualified. Not true.
            And of course that also applies to the National Guardsmen from each state.

          • Knightowl

            Unless they were ever on active duty at some point, they don’t have the military education, experience or disciplines beyond week-ends and occasional two-week “vacations” playing military…

          • John Hand

            The word is ‘reserve.’ There is no S at the end of Reserve. I even had to correct the two gals who run the website for the Army for retirees. They were using the word Reserves until I corrected them. Now they have it right.

        • Rightandwrong

          He was in the reserves. He never was full time military.

        • JulieB

          Agreed, and thank you for serving!

        • Gomer Pyle

          I agree 100 %..just too many PUSSIES in the upper command of all the military branches

        • John Hand

          As a military recruiter of several years duration, and having had a wife who was a Military Counselor at the MEPS (Military Entrance Processing Station, formerly known as AFEES, Armed Forces Examining and Entrance Station) both in Los Angeles and Denver, I believe I have a considerable knowledge at what happens when applicants are sent down for processing. First off, when something goes wrong, they try to blame the recruiter….’The recruiter told me not to say anything.’ This, in most cases, is a lie. If a recruiter for any service gets caught doing that, it can be a career buster. Also, the doctor at the MEPS, and there is usually just one on any given day and he works for ALL the services, has to process dozens, maybe more applicants in the matter of just a few hours. They do the best job they can, but sometimes bad eggs get through. Usually, the bad eggs are weeded out in basic training, or as the Navy/Marines call it, Boot Camp. While I was recruiting, the standards were set pretty high. After the draft was eliminated in 1973 by Richard Nixon, yes, Nixon, the military started hurting and they had to hire/bring on thousands of recruiters to try to fill the ranks. For a while the standards were set pretty low, but as time went by and the recruiters became more proficient, and a hefty pay raise of almost 20 percent by President Reagan after four screwed up years under Jimmy Carter, the situation improved greatly. Today, with Obama’s new rules screwing everything up, I can’t speak for how it is out there now. I guess maybe I need to visit a couple of recruiting stations and see what they say…..

          • Jacobb Chapman

            Well, I went through Dallas MEPS. The process is different for each applicant. I took the ASVAB with an Army recruiter, but didn’t enlist until a few months after(some applicants take the ASVAB and go through processing on the same day). My MOS was 11B. The standards for enlisting must have drastically lowered because it was very easy for people to enlist, even with previous medical conditions. Like I said in my other comment, I met a guy who lied about not having asthma. He easily made it through the medical screenings and successfully made it through Basic without any problems. The guy I went to High School with also easily enlisted, made it through Basic, and even served in Afghanistan. Both served in combat units. I don’t think a cook should be given a psychological evaluation since they won’t be in the front-lines, but Infantryman, cannon crewmembers, calvary scouts, etc should ALL be given psychological evalutions before being considered for enlistment. Psychological evaluations, as you already know, are usually required if a Solider wants to go through Ranger School, Sniper School, etc..but it should be required for people who want choose a combat job.

            As far as Obama hurting recruitment, you couldn’t be farther from the truth. His administration has cut back on Recruitment in order to cut military spending, but they continue to send $ 2 trillion to Egypt and spending millions of dollars on drone strikes. They have increased defense spending, but have cut military spending. They should be doing the opposite. More recruiting, less drone strikes. They should increase recruiting and make our military strong and powerful, which is what Reagan did.

          • chamuiel

            obama did not send two trillion dollars to Egypt.

            I see you have problems with math.

            Please don’t tell me that 11b mos was in accounting.

          • chamuiel

            obama did not send two trillion dollars to Egypt.

            I see you have problems with math.

            Please don’t tell me that 11b mos was in accounting.

          • John Hand

            A recruit saying he had ‘asthma’ was always a stickler at the MEPS. Sometimes they would say…:I had asthma as a child,’ and oh boy, then the applicant and the recruiter would have to jump through hoops getting sometimes non-existent documents proving that the applicant either did not have it then, or now. Usually they didn’t have it. It was a case of some adult, when the kid ran out of breath or something, the adult would say, “Oh you have asthma.” That would stick in the kid’s mind, and they would pop out with it at the MEPS with never having said it to the recruiter. It happened to me as a recruiter more than once.
            ‘Flat feet’ was another one. The doctor would find that an applicant had flat feet and disqualify him. This also happened to a couple of my applicants in Denver. One of them had been a star athlete in HS. Then, many years later, they made a ‘discovery’ that flat feet did not cause any problems.

          • John Hand

            A recruit saying he had ‘asthma’ was always a stickler at the MEPS. Sometimes they would say…:I had asthma as a child,’ and oh boy, then the applicant and the recruiter would have to jump through hoops getting sometimes non-existent documents proving that the applicant either did not have it then, or now. Usually they didn’t have it. It was a case of some adult, when the kid ran out of breath or something, the adult would say, “Oh you have asthma.” That would stick in the kid’s mind, and they would pop out with it at the MEPS with never having said it to the recruiter. It happened to me as a recruiter more than once.
            ‘Flat feet’ was another one. The doctor would find that an applicant had flat feet and disqualify him. This also happened to a couple of my applicants in Denver. One of them had been a star athlete in HS. Then, many years later, they made a ‘discovery’ that flat feet did not cause any problems.

        • John Hand

          As a military recruiter of several years duration, and having had a wife who was a Military Counselor at the MEPS (Military Entrance Processing Station, formerly known as AFEES, Armed Forces Examining and Entrance Station) both in Los Angeles and Denver, I believe I have a considerable knowledge at what happens when applicants are sent down for processing. First off, when something goes wrong, they try to blame the recruiter….’The recruiter told me not to say anything.’ This, in most cases, is a lie. If a recruiter for any service gets caught doing that, it can be a career buster. Also, the doctor at the MEPS, and there is usually just one on any given day and he works for ALL the services, has to process dozens, maybe more applicants in the matter of just a few hours. They do the best job they can, but sometimes bad eggs get through. Usually, the bad eggs are weeded out in basic training, or as the Navy/Marines call it, Boot Camp. While I was recruiting, the standards were set pretty high. After the draft was eliminated in 1973 by Richard Nixon, yes, Nixon, the military started hurting and they had to hire/bring on thousands of recruiters to try to fill the ranks. For a while the standards were set pretty low, but as time went by and the recruiters became more proficient, and a hefty pay raise of almost 20 percent by President Reagan after four screwed up years under Jimmy Carter, the situation improved greatly. Today, with Obama’s new rules screwing everything up, I can’t speak for how it is out there now. I guess maybe I need to visit a couple of recruiting stations and see what they say…..

        • J. Brown

          Wasn’t Nidal Hassan a psychiatrist?

          • chamuiel

            yep!

          • J. Brown

            Why would we want to accept input on emotional fitness from the likes of Husan?
            I wonder how much damage he did to the troops needing help with PTSD? How much misinformation did he pass on?
            Deserves to be considered, of course, with the sentence he got there is little else to do except wait for his appeals to run their course. Then accord him his martyrdom.

          • J. Brown

            Why would we want to accept input on emotional fitness from the likes of Husan?
            I wonder how much damage he did to the troops needing help with PTSD? How much misinformation did he pass on?
            Deserves to be considered, of course, with the sentence he got there is little else to do except wait for his appeals to run their course. Then accord him his martyrdom.

          • J. Brown

            Why would we want to accept input on emotional fitness from the likes of Husan?
            I wonder how much damage he did to the troops needing help with PTSD? How much misinformation did he pass on?
            Deserves to be considered, of course, with the sentence he got there is little else to do except wait for his appeals to run their course. Then accord him his martyrdom.

        • J. Brown

          Wasn’t Nidal Hassan a psychiatrist?

        • J. Brown

          Wasn’t Nidal Hassan a psychiatrist?

        • sandraleesmith46

          They used to check that out, back in the day, all of it, except when they were jamming recruits in for WWII, and some for Korea too. Not so much a psych eval, but the medical and social history; including what clubs/groups you’d ever associated with. I guess they figured your DI would catch any aberrations on the mental level in boot camp, or in OI if that was where you went, and for the most, part they did. Of course a number of such persons didn’t survive boot camp… DIs aren’t trained to handle psych problems therapeutically. The FBI used to check you out before you could sign up… But the FBI’s so PC and Muslim oriented now, I suppose they’re too afraid of being declared racist and/ or Islamophobic.

          • John Hand

            ‘Medical and SOCIAL groups’ they belonged to? Not during the almost 20 years I served as a recruiter.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not medical, political and social groups; first by questionaire and then by FBI search. The medical didn’t include anything beyond the questionaire as part of the application packet, and then a basic generic physical. When were you in? There’s plenty of time for you to have served 20 and room to spare since I was active.

          • John Hand

            ‘Medical and SOCIAL groups’ they belonged to? Not during the almost 20 years I served as a recruiter.

        • sandraleesmith46

          They used to check that out, back in the day, all of it, except when they were jamming recruits in for WWII, and some for Korea too. Not so much a psych eval, but the medical and social history; including what clubs/groups you’d ever associated with. I guess they figured your DI would catch any aberrations on the mental level in boot camp, or in OI if that was where you went, and for the most, part they did. Of course a number of such persons didn’t survive boot camp… DIs aren’t trained to handle psych problems therapeutically. The FBI used to check you out before you could sign up… But the FBI’s so PC and Muslim oriented now, I suppose they’re too afraid of being declared racist and/ or Islamophobic.

      • Jacobb Chapman

        You may not agree with me, but maybe they should require psychological testing by a military psychiatrist BEFORE anyone enlist into the Military. When I enlisted, they simply had me fill out a piece of paper asking me a crap load of medical questions that included a mental health section. You get a medical evaluation while you’re there, but they don’t bother to give you a psychological exam. Anyone can lie and get in. It’s really that simple. A Soldier told me he lied about not having asthma. Another one, who I went to High School with, lied about not having Bi polar disorder. They should evaluate each potential Recruit to ensure they are mentally stable to be in the Military. They don’t check your medical history, so it’s still possible to lie, but at least they are taking the “extra step” to only recruit people who are mentally fit and able to handle the stresses of military service. Thy only do a psychological evaluation when a waiver is needed to enlist.

      • Jacobb Chapman

        You may not agree with me, but maybe they should require psychological testing by a military psychiatrist BEFORE anyone enlist into the Military. When I enlisted, they simply had me fill out a piece of paper asking me a crap load of medical questions that included a mental health section. You get a medical evaluation while you’re there, but they don’t bother to give you a psychological exam. Anyone can lie and get in. It’s really that simple. A Soldier told me he lied about not having asthma. Another one, who I went to High School with, lied about not having Bi polar disorder. They should evaluate each potential Recruit to ensure they are mentally stable to be in the Military. They don’t check your medical history, so it’s still possible to lie, but at least they are taking the “extra step” to only recruit people who are mentally fit and able to handle the stresses of military service. Thy only do a psychological evaluation when a waiver is needed to enlist.

      • Douglas W. Rodrigues

        I spent 5 years in the Military. It takes a LOT to get a bad conduct discharge. Basically, the government is run by too many bean-counter bureaucrats who, if in civilian life, would have lost their jobs long ago. That’s how this shooter was able to continue to get on a military base. Somebody probably just signed off paperwork without a second thought, and passed it on to the next person to approve.

        • John Hand

          He supposedly was HONORABLY discharged from the Navy under some program they have to let people out that don’t work out. He was scheduled for a ‘general’ discharge, but then they let him in that program. It is reported that he made contact with some civilian police a week or two earlier and told them that he was hearing voices and that electronic beams were being directed at him. Reminded me of when I was an Army recruiter in Boulder, CO some years ago. A bearded ‘clean looking hippie’ about age 30 came into our office, looked around with eyes that did not appear to be seeing anything and said that beams were being directed at him from satellites, and he wanted to report it. So, to get rid of him we told him the Navy was in charge of that program and sent him next door. A couple of minutes later, we heard, right through he wall. “GET OUT OF HERE YOU CRAZY SON OF A B—-!”

          • Douglas W. Rodrigues

            I hope a recruiter reads this one and does likewise when the next nut job walks in, because this is funny!

          • Douglas W. Rodrigues

            I hope a recruiter reads this one and does likewise when the next nut job walks in, because this is funny!

          • winki

            Ooh, ya’ll were ornery. LOL!!!

          • sandraleesmith46

            That was not nice; the Navy doesn’t appreciate dealing with Army “trash”, speaking as an old white shoe sailor. But thank you for your service.

          • John Hand

            Sandra, we sent him over to the Navy because they were right next door in our building across from the McDonalds and the Boulder campus. We had the Army, Navy and Marines there. No Air Force because everyone wants to join the oh so nice to you Air Force so they have less recruiting offices, and the Air Force recruiter usually does 9 to 5 and locks up for the day. Meanwhile, we in the Army and the Navy would be making calls later at night, then the Navy would go home. We Army were still working, and then we would go home, and the Marines? Still there. I worked out of three different offices in Colorado and before that one in Los Angeles. We recruiters had certain high schools assigned to us and that was our ‘territory.’ One of mine when in Littleton Colorado was Columbine.

          • John Hand

            Sandra, we sent him over to the Navy because they were right next door in our building across from the McDonalds and the Boulder campus. We had the Army, Navy and Marines there. No Air Force because everyone wants to join the oh so nice to you Air Force so they have less recruiting offices, and the Air Force recruiter usually does 9 to 5 and locks up for the day. Meanwhile, we in the Army and the Navy would be making calls later at night, then the Navy would go home. We Army were still working, and then we would go home, and the Marines? Still there. I worked out of three different offices in Colorado and before that one in Los Angeles. We recruiters had certain high schools assigned to us and that was our ‘territory.’ One of mine when in Littleton Colorado was Columbine.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Gee, nice part of Denver YOU got stuck with. I used to live in Brighton in the ’70s and served with their ambulance service, so knew every hospital in the Denver metro area, about. You have to admit USAF does have the fanciest clubs and cushiest BOQs, but about the rest, i’ve had mixed reviews, I have a kid brother who was part of the missile maintenance group then went to the flying command post unit…. I was Navy Nurse Corps so a bit different kind of duty. But I’m acquainted with recruiters and what they do. Should have sent him to the Marines; they’d take care of that problem quick! They know just how to deal with those! Believe me, serving at USNH Quantico, I saw the “afters” a lot!

        • John Hand

          He supposedly was HONORABLY discharged from the Navy under some program they have to let people out that don’t work out. He was scheduled for a ‘general’ discharge, but then they let him in that program. It is reported that he made contact with some civilian police a week or two earlier and told them that he was hearing voices and that electronic beams were being directed at him. Reminded me of when I was an Army recruiter in Boulder, CO some years ago. A bearded ‘clean looking hippie’ about age 30 came into our office, looked around with eyes that did not appear to be seeing anything and said that beams were being directed at him from satellites, and he wanted to report it. So, to get rid of him we told him the Navy was in charge of that program and sent him next door. A couple of minutes later, we heard, right through he wall. “GET OUT OF HERE YOU CRAZY SON OF A B—-!”

        • sandraleesmith46

          Turns out he had an honorable, but shouldn’t have by the looks of things; he’d been reported for insubordination, tardiness repeatedly, and had even been arrested3 times,twice while in the Navy, and 2 of the 3 involved discharging weapons inappropriately as well. Not the kind of person who should have been able to pass the security clearance for a “secret” level, let alone acquire a fire arm. PLUS he was taking SSRI’s at the time of this attack. BTW, thanks for your service. It is appreciated.

          • Douglas W. Rodrigues

            I wonder if a Section 8 is considered “honorable?” I’m curious?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Used to be; but if the medical board processing the section8 thought the guy {or gal} was faking/malingering and just couldn’t prove it for sure, then it might be an “other than honorable” because mental illness is an illness, usually. These days, I wouldn’t even hazard a guess.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Used to be; but if the medical board processing the section8 thought the guy {or gal} was faking/malingering and just couldn’t prove it for sure, then it might be an “other than honorable” because mental illness is an illness, usually. These days, I wouldn’t even hazard a guess.

      • Douglas W. Rodrigues

        I spent 5 years in the Military. It takes a LOT to get a bad conduct discharge. Basically, the government is run by too many bean-counter bureaucrats who, if in civilian life, would have lost their jobs long ago. That’s how this shooter was able to continue to get on a military base. Somebody probably just signed off paperwork without a second thought, and passed it on to the next person to approve.

      • Douglas W. Rodrigues

        I spent 5 years in the Military. It takes a LOT to get a bad conduct discharge. Basically, the government is run by too many bean-counter bureaucrats who, if in civilian life, would have lost their jobs long ago. That’s how this shooter was able to continue to get on a military base. Somebody probably just signed off paperwork without a second thought, and passed it on to the next person to approve.

      • fliteking

        ” which begs the question why he’d been working as a civilian contractor there, at this time…”

        Only one real answer . . . the military has lost focus.

        All the old school officers have been replaced and the new focuses of the Potpourri Military are gay rights, equality on the front lines and advancing those who are less qualified but more favored based on demographics , ethnic background and politics.

        In the end there is a price to be paid in lives when you take the fight out of the Military and replace it with Political Correctness.

        • sandraleesmith46

          Seeing some of the info coming out today; the question is more than begged, it should be SCREAMED! There are so many irregularities involved, all traceable straight back to PC, that it’s beyond rational belief! The families of those dead should sue the daylights out of the Federal government for those wrongful deaths. And so should all the ones in Tucson, Aurora and at VA tech! NONE of those people should have been killed in that way; also included in the suits should be the ACLU! Those might as well have pulled all those triggers literally.

        • sandraleesmith46

          Seeing some of the info coming out today; the question is more than begged, it should be SCREAMED! There are so many irregularities involved, all traceable straight back to PC, that it’s beyond rational belief! The families of those dead should sue the daylights out of the Federal government for those wrongful deaths. And so should all the ones in Tucson, Aurora and at VA tech! NONE of those people should have been killed in that way; also included in the suits should be the ACLU! Those might as well have pulled all those triggers literally.

      • marcyharris92

        So how did he get a carry permit with two incidents of shooting things up. The “cleaning a gun” is so bogus but police didn’t fill our a report. who cleans a loaded gun??? Shooting out tires in a car–naughty naughty–no gun permit for you if anyone was vigilant.

        • sandraleesmith46

          I don’t have all the answers either; the Wash Times put out a story today that reports he was hallucinating while at a base in RI {only one I know of up there is Newport, another big base and at least used to be home of the Naval War College and many training programs.}, yet they allowed him to contract at the Main Navy complex in DC; which STILL makes no sense too. Whether this guy was set up, as others have been, or there’s more to this that has yet to come out, I really don’t know; but the whole thing is making no sense. Main Navy is also the home of the Navy JAG and NCIS; which personnel should have either been armed or at least had easy access to guns, being as they’re Navy COPS, essentially!

        • sandraleesmith46

          I don’t have all the answers either; the Wash Times put out a story today that reports he was hallucinating while at a base in RI {only one I know of up there is Newport, another big base and at least used to be home of the Naval War College and many training programs.}, yet they allowed him to contract at the Main Navy complex in DC; which STILL makes no sense too. Whether this guy was set up, as others have been, or there’s more to this that has yet to come out, I really don’t know; but the whole thing is making no sense. Main Navy is also the home of the Navy JAG and NCIS; which personnel should have either been armed or at least had easy access to guns, being as they’re Navy COPS, essentially!

    • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

      Brother fliteking…..regardless of what the reason of his mental thought process, the fact remains. This will once again reactivate “GUN CONTROL” AGENDAS. Remember, never let a crisis go to waste…..This Administration has a somewhat sucessfully perverted ability to obfuscate their AGENDA thanks to the MSM.

      Have you ever noticed how rumors start about [person, incident...etc..] through “National Enquirer’ et Al….and of course they are denied, but then what happens? Dohhh!!! BUSTED…..
      Well……..back in June, as reported by EU Times news blogs, they cited that “DHS Janet” requested support for 15,000 Russian Troops for support of a “possible” diaster in FEMA District III:

      http://www.eutimes.net/2013/06/obama-requests-15000-russian-troops-for-upcoming-disaster/

      That was June……now we have as late as September 5th conspiracy theory prognosticators:

      http://govtslaves.info/fema-region-3-preparing-october-suprise/
      and then we have Yesterday……..one has to ask………WTFO?????

      Forget the Islam connection…..we need to follow the pea under the cup….we have the Black Republicans calling for impeachment, he is loosing his loyal followers on the Left……..everybody knows; rats get vicious when cornered.

      Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

    • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

      Brother fliteking…..regardless of what the reason of his mental thought process, the fact remains. This will once again reactivate “GUN CONTROL” AGENDAS. Remember, never let a crisis go to waste…..This Administration has a somewhat sucessfully perverted ability to obfuscate their AGENDA thanks to the MSM.

      Have you ever noticed how rumors start about [person, incident...etc..] through “National Enquirer’ et Al….and of course they are denied, but then what happens? Dohhh!!! BUSTED…..
      Well……..back in June, as reported by EU Times news blogs, they cited that “DHS Janet” requested support for 15,000 Russian Troops for support of a “possible” diaster in FEMA District III:

      http://www.eutimes.net/2013/06/obama-requests-15000-russian-troops-for-upcoming-disaster/

      That was June……now we have as late as September 5th conspiracy theory prognosticators:

      http://govtslaves.info/fema-region-3-preparing-october-suprise/
      and then we have Yesterday……..one has to ask………WTFO?????

      Forget the Islam connection…..we need to follow the pea under the cup….we have the Black Republicans calling for impeachment, he is loosing his loyal followers on the Left……..everybody knows; rats get vicious when cornered.

      Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

      • sandraleesmith46

        Funny: I can think of 545 reasons, right off hand, why we should own assault weapons, since they’re busily assaulting our God-given rights on a daily basis!

        • John HaND

          Geez. I counted on my fingers and toes, and using them over and over again, I could only think of 226 reasons why we should own ‘assault’ weapons. Good for you. And that’s from ‘right off John Hand!’

        • John HaND

          Geez. I counted on my fingers and toes, and using them over and over again, I could only think of 226 reasons why we should own ‘assault’ weapons. Good for you. And that’s from ‘right off John Hand!’

          • sandraleesmith46

            Congress {535}+ SCOTUS {9} + usurper in WH {1}= 545, didn’t even have to take my shoes off to figure that out, and that doesn’t even start on the rest of the reasons why we need assault weapons!

      • sandraleesmith46

        Funny: I can think of 545 reasons, right off hand, why we should own assault weapons, since they’re busily assaulting our God-given rights on a daily basis!

      • sandraleesmith46

        Funny: I can think of 545 reasons, right off hand, why we should own assault weapons, since they’re busily assaulting our God-given rights on a daily basis!

    • marcyharris92

      Interested in the Muslim angle. What history and demographics?

      • Herve

        Government censuses database
        every part of american was tagged and bagged with it!

      • Herve

        Government censuses database
        every part of american was tagged and bagged with it!

      • Herve

        Government censuses database
        every part of american was tagged and bagged with it!

      • Herve

        all the way down to house family level
        technically not persona level but they did collect person data on each family member, i think anyone can get family level data for free, and anyone with $40 can get personal data
        anyway the database has maps with history and demographics of all place in america! such has political view and religion, amount of money, house values, credit ratings etc you be really surprised amount how much

  • Louise Price

    Killeen is not in the Dallas-Fort Worth area of Texas. Killeen is down by Fort Hood in central Texas. Dallas-Fort Worth is in the northern part of Texas. Several hundred miles apart.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      150 miles in TX would translate to about 1.5 miles in D.C.

      If you can comprehend patterns and proportions and analogous relationships, you’ll be well on your way to being weird enough to think for yourself and not be tricked into believing that the government can make anything “more affordable” or that “unemployment creates jobs.”

      • Bill Hobbs

        You’re not going to stop with the bad math, are you, Donald? 1.5 miles in DC would be about 5,898 miles in Texas, not 150, since Texas is roughly 39.32 times the size of DC. So, 150 miles in Texas would equate to .03 mile in DC – or about 158 feet, roughly 53 yards – half the length of a football field. If you comprehend math – things like multiplication and division – you would stop this silly nonsense about Fort Hood being “just outside” the D-FW area.

      • Bill Hobbs

        You’re not going to stop with the bad math, are you, Donald? 1.5 miles in DC would be about 5,898 miles in Texas, not 150, since Texas is roughly 39.32 times the size of DC. So, 150 miles in Texas would equate to .03 mile in DC – or about 158 feet, roughly 53 yards – half the length of a football field. If you comprehend math – things like multiplication and division – you would stop this silly nonsense about Fort Hood being “just outside” the D-FW area.

      • Bill Hobbs

        You’re not going to stop with the bad math, are you, Donald? 1.5 miles in DC would be about 5,898 miles in Texas, not 150, since Texas is roughly 39.32 times the size of DC. So, 150 miles in Texas would equate to .03 mile in DC – or about 158 feet, roughly 53 yards – half the length of a football field. If you comprehend math – things like multiplication and division – you would stop this silly nonsense about Fort Hood being “just outside” the D-FW area.

    • Tom Gilbert

      don’t care……….

    • Tom Gilbert

      don’t care……….

  • Louise Price

    Killeen is not in the Dallas-Fort Worth area of Texas. Killeen is down by Fort Hood in central Texas. Dallas-Fort Worth is in the northern part of Texas. Several hundred miles apart.

  • CJS3

    You really need to check out a map before you publish. Your glaring mistake on the geography of Texas makes me call in to question the rest of the “facts “in your article.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Here’s how I have described, in a comment I made to a friend, the reaction of some to my observations:

      Been arguing over my geographic juxtapositioning with blind boobs online…I keep trying to get them to grasp that:

      150 miles in TX = 1.5 miles in D.C.

      They can’t seem to be able to pull back from their myopic map close-up and see the big picture

  • dave

    just another misunderstood blacks man who probably was a victim of white racism. timothy mcveigh was considered a domestic terrorist,will this nice black buddist be classified a domestic terrorist? not in your wildest dreams,that would be blatant racism to label a man who does not look like mcveigh a terrorist. it must be nice to be a protected race.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Paula Deen must be held accountable for this.

      • noweareman

        Yeah!
        His cake must have fallen!

      • DrSique

        Good article but you have just scratched the surface of mystery surrounding this guy. The only question is whether Americans will ever know even half the truth.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Paula Deen must be held accountable for this.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Paula Deen must be held accountable for this.

    • Tazz2293

      None of the above. He was just one of 0vmoits sons who got a little bored and wanted to have some fun.

    • Tazz2293

      None of the above. He was just one of 0vmoits sons who got a little bored and wanted to have some fun.

    • Tazz2293

      None of the above. He was just one of 0vmoits sons who got a little bored and wanted to have some fun.

    • victorbarney

      True, they are! In fact, it is written that in the “Hebrew,” not Greek, inspired Scriptures(Zeph. 3:9, Acts 24:14, 1 Cor. 4:6) that ALL Anglo-Saxons, plus Judah, get punished FIRST by the two-witnesses of Revelation, chapter 11, leaving ONLY 144,000 of us being left alive. That’s exactly WHY when our JEWISH, not Greek, SAVIOR “YAHSHUA”(MEANING IN HEBREW THAT “YAHWEH MEANS SALVATION”) RETURNS, HE IMMEDIATELY DESTROYS BABYLON/ISLAM(THE “BEAST”) because “we the people” already have been punished FIRST, as written…REMEMBER: YAHWEH(YHWH) DOES NOTHING without FIRST WARNING HIS PEOPLE! WATCH! p.s. Our coming judgment will begin on a Feast of Trumpets(WAR) & last 3 1/2 years, when only 3 1/2 DAYS LATER, YAHSHUA RETURNS TO TOTALLY DESTROY BABYLON/ISLAM(REV. 18:10)! Did I mention that MARXISM(The English since the 1890′s ideology) is the ONLY SIN NEVER to be forgiven, either in this world or the next! Again, I’m only saying what’s really written, NOT what just about everybody says in written and IS NOT! Again, OUCH! Did I also mention that Barack Obama & Holder are scriptural scapegoats for the WOMEN ALONE who put them in charge? That’s also spiritually TRUE, don’t you know??? Oh, I forgot to mention that October 5th this year is the CORRECT DATE for the next Feast of Trumpets(War) & again, YHWH does NOTHING without 1ST warning HIS people, also as written…

      • Jane18

        Where in this world did you get “that interpretation”? People like you Victor, are telling things that are not true! Whoever you are learning prophecy from, or if it is your own thoughts, you need to start all over! And GOD’s name is not YHwH, it is YHVH–I AM THAT I AM! And yes, everything that is going on, HE did tell us it would happen……………..

        • victorbarney

          If “YOU” Jane 18, read the Scriptures that I quoted in ANY ADDITION OF SCRIPTURE, you would plainly READ that “HEBREW” IS THE “ONLY” SPIRITUALLY INSPIRED LANGUAGE, AS I QUOTED ABOVE! I DIDN’T WRITE IT!!! PLEASE READ ZEPH. 3:9, ACTS 26:14, 1 COR. 4:6 and TELL ME THAT IT NOT WRITTEN EXACTLY THAT WAY, EVEN IN GREEK! Please, may YHWH give you LIGHT through his only begotten son “YAHSHUA,” meaning in HEBREW that “YAHWEH MEANS SALVATION!” IT’S NOT, NEVER HAS BEEN, OR EVER WILL BE ABOUT “ROME!” It’s JERUSALEM & ALWAYS WILL BE…WATCH, especially on October 5th this year, which is the correct date for the next Annual Feast of Trumpets(war)! p.s. There ARE NO V’S in Hebrew! In addition, the “j” also was invented in the 1300′s to worship Zeus! That’s recorded history & fact! Your “life” many soon depend upon it this first calling…

          • JaundicedView

            Please do not overuse caps. It’s used for emphasis since can’t use italics on here, that I know of.

          • JaundicedView

            Please do not overuse caps. It’s used for emphasis since can’t use italics on here, that I know of.

        • victorbarney

          If “YOU” Jane 18, read the Scriptures that I quoted in ANY ADDITION OF SCRIPTURE, you would plainly READ that “HEBREW” IS THE “ONLY” SPIRITUALLY INSPIRED LANGUAGE, AS I QUOTED ABOVE! I DIDN’T WRITE IT!!! PLEASE READ ZEPH. 3:9, ACTS 26:14, 1 COR. 4:6 and TELL ME THAT IT NOT WRITTEN EXACTLY THAT WAY, EVEN IN GREEK! Please, may YHWH give you LIGHT through his only begotten son “YAHSHUA,” meaning in HEBREW that “YAHWEH MEANS SALVATION!” IT’S NOT, NEVER HAS BEEN, OR EVER WILL BE ABOUT “ROME!” It’s JERUSALEM & ALWAYS WILL BE…WATCH, especially on October 5th this year, which is the correct date for the next Annual Feast of Trumpets(war)! p.s. There ARE NO V’S in Hebrew! In addition, the “j” also was invented in the 1300′s to worship Zeus! That’s recorded history & fact! Your “life” many soon depend upon it this first calling…

        • winki

          Jane, you can’t argue with someone who “Knows Everything”. I went back and read the three verses he references. Best I could figure they dind’t have anything to do with each other. We just finished and exhaustive study of the book of Revelation. I don’t remember anything about God killing everyone except 144,000 Jews. My Bible doesn’t say anything about the two witnesses punishing anyone except anyone who tries to harm them.
          And according to my Bible no one, not even Jesus, knows when He is coming back. So I could’t find any reference as to when the Tribulation is starting.
          But no point in trying to tell Victor any of that. He apparently is the only one who knows anything about the Bible or God’s word. I think he’s taking everything out of context.

          • JaundicedView

            Victor’s interpretations are perverse. Perhaps he’s a Jehovah’s Witness or Mormon? The 144000 are a special case, but there will be MULTITUDES in Heaven, not just them, they are spoken over as being of every tongue and nation, being palm branches. Everyone who confesses with their mouth the Lord Jesus, and believes in their heart that God raised Him from the dead will also be there, if I understand the Scriptures correctly. There were also be those who lost their lives for their testimony of Christ, stated in Revelations as being under the altar and being given white robes. What of them?

          • JaundicedView

            Victor’s interpretations are perverse. Perhaps he’s a Jehovah’s Witness or Mormon? The 144000 are a special case, but there will be MULTITUDES in Heaven, not just them, they are spoken over as being of every tongue and nation, being palm branches. Everyone who confesses with their mouth the Lord Jesus, and believes in their heart that God raised Him from the dead will also be there, if I understand the Scriptures correctly. There were also be those who lost their lives for their testimony of Christ, stated in Revelations as being under the altar and being given white robes. What of them?

          • winki

            Thank you. That’s exactly what I was trying to say in my convoluted way. I think I have heard that the Mormons (and I could very well be wrong) believe that the 144K will be some of them, so that’s why they work so hard as to be one of them. Not according to my Bible. They will come from the 12 tribes of Israel. And you’re right, too, about the martyrs.
            Anyway like I said I read the passages that victor referenced and they didn’t seem me to be connected. But I’m not a Bible scholar either.

          • winki

            Thank you. That’s exactly what I was trying to say in my convoluted way. I think I have heard that the Mormons (and I could very well be wrong) believe that the 144K will be some of them, so that’s why they work so hard as to be one of them. Not according to my Bible. They will come from the 12 tribes of Israel. And you’re right, too, about the martyrs.
            Anyway like I said I read the passages that victor referenced and they didn’t seem me to be connected. But I’m not a Bible scholar either.

          • winki

            Thank you. That’s exactly what I was trying to say in my convoluted way. I think I have heard that the Mormons (and I could very well be wrong) believe that the 144K will be some of them, so that’s why they work so hard as to be one of them. Not according to my Bible. They will come from the 12 tribes of Israel. And you’re right, too, about the martyrs.
            Anyway like I said I read the passages that victor referenced and they didn’t seem me to be connected. But I’m not a Bible scholar either.

          • JaundicedView

            Victor’s interpretations are perverse. Perhaps he’s a Jehovah’s Witness or Mormon? The 144000 are a special case, but there will be MULTITUDES in Heaven, not just them, they are spoken over as being of every tongue and nation, being palm branches. Everyone who confesses with their mouth the Lord Jesus, and believes in their heart that God raised Him from the dead will also be there, if I understand the Scriptures correctly. There were also be those who lost their lives for their testimony of Christ, stated in Revelations as being under the altar and being given white robes. What of them?

        • winki

          Jane, you can’t argue with someone who “Knows Everything”. I went back and read the three verses he references. Best I could figure they dind’t have anything to do with each other. We just finished and exhaustive study of the book of Revelation. I don’t remember anything about God killing everyone except 144,000 Jews. My Bible doesn’t say anything about the two witnesses punishing anyone except anyone who tries to harm them.
          And according to my Bible no one, not even Jesus, knows when He is coming back. So I could’t find any reference as to when the Tribulation is starting.
          But no point in trying to tell Victor any of that. He apparently is the only one who knows anything about the Bible or God’s word. I think he’s taking everything out of context.

      • Jane18

        Where in this world did you get “that interpretation”? People like you Victor, are telling things that are not true! Whoever you are learning prophecy from, or if it is your own thoughts, you need to start all over! And GOD’s name is not YHwH, it is YHVH–I AM THAT I AM! And yes, everything that is going on, HE did tell us it would happen……………..

      • Jane18

        Where in this world did you get “that interpretation”? People like you Victor, are telling things that are not true! Whoever you are learning prophecy from, or if it is your own thoughts, you need to start all over! And GOD’s name is not YHwH, it is YHVH–I AM THAT I AM! And yes, everything that is going on, HE did tell us it would happen……………..

    • Jacobb Chapman

      I couldn’t agree more, Dave.

    • Jacobb Chapman

      I couldn’t agree more, Dave.

    • Rightandwrong

      The person calling some one else a racists “IS” the true racists.

      • dave

        let me get this straight,when blacks call white people racist,they are actually the real racist,or does that only count for whites?

    • Rightandwrong

      The person calling some one else a racists “IS” the true racists.

  • dave

    just another misunderstood blacks man who probably was a victim of white racism. timothy mcveigh was considered a domestic terrorist,will this nice black buddist be classified a domestic terrorist? not in your wildest dreams,that would be blatant racism to label a man who does not look like mcveigh a terrorist. it must be nice to be a protected race.

  • Thomas Albert

    Jaded is not the word, aware of the details before the fact is more like it. We have a government that compartmentalizes everything and even so, the smart ones figure one and one make two. Even people working the same project would never know each other but by accident, and in the DC area, there are many chances of such accidents that they are fairly common because of the limited expertise. So two people can meet at random and in time figure out that they are working the same problem from different angles they contracted for. So it is not jaded, with the Snowden revelations, some that doubted themselves previously realize they are the problem. So, they ignore their handy work or go insane knowing the damage they’ve caused. All in the name of the almighty dollar and not the nation behind it.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Profound, and well-said.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Profound, and well-said.

      • ChicagoThunder1

        He heard voices in his head… Ck. the work the Cia has done with Voice to skull tech. it’s real. Also 13 is an important number to Masons 13 arrows held in the Eagle’s Talons on the dollar bill etc. Black outs and not remembering loss of time etc. points to him being a Manchurian Candidate. They have been working on this guy’s head this is bogus!
        Just like the guy in Chicago that went into a patent lawyers office and killed two lawyers saying they screwed him on a patent the lawyers had no idea what he was talking about. one of the lawyers being H. Hoovers son. I don’t believe he remembers either.

      • ChicagoThunder1

        He heard voices in his head… Ck. the work the Cia has done with Voice to skull tech. it’s real. Also 13 is an important number to Masons 13 arrows held in the Eagle’s Talons on the dollar bill etc. Black outs and not remembering loss of time etc. points to him being a Manchurian Candidate. They have been working on this guy’s head this is bogus!
        Just like the guy in Chicago that went into a patent lawyers office and killed two lawyers saying they screwed him on a patent the lawyers had no idea what he was talking about. one of the lawyers being H. Hoovers son. I don’t believe he remembers either.

      • ChicagoThunder1

        He heard voices in his head… Ck. the work the Cia has done with Voice to skull tech. it’s real. Also 13 is an important number to Masons 13 arrows held in the Eagle’s Talons on the dollar bill etc. Black outs and not remembering loss of time etc. points to him being a Manchurian Candidate. They have been working on this guy’s head this is bogus!
        Just like the guy in Chicago that went into a patent lawyers office and killed two lawyers saying they screwed him on a patent the lawyers had no idea what he was talking about. one of the lawyers being H. Hoovers son. I don’t believe he remembers either.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      Profound, and well-said.

    • victorbarney

      AGAIN, OUR CIA, NOW, even HEADING OUR FBI, ARE IN CHARGE! WATCH! p.s. If something happens to me, also STILL WATCH YOURSELF! I’m just saying…

    • victorbarney

      AGAIN, OUR CIA, NOW, even HEADING OUR FBI, ARE IN CHARGE! WATCH! p.s. If something happens to me, also STILL WATCH YOURSELF! I’m just saying…

  • Thomas Albert

    Jaded is not the word, aware of the details before the fact is more like it. We have a government that compartmentalizes everything and even so, the smart ones figure one and one make two. Even people working the same project would never know each other but by accident, and in the DC area, there are many chances of such accidents that they are fairly common because of the limited expertise. So two people can meet at random and in time figure out that they are working the same problem from different angles they contracted for. So it is not jaded, with the Snowden revelations, some that doubted themselves previously realize they are the problem. So, they ignore their handy work or go insane knowing the damage they’ve caused. All in the name of the almighty dollar and not the nation behind it.

  • Thomas Albert

    Jaded is not the word, aware of the details before the fact is more like it. We have a government that compartmentalizes everything and even so, the smart ones figure one and one make two. Even people working the same project would never know each other but by accident, and in the DC area, there are many chances of such accidents that they are fairly common because of the limited expertise. So two people can meet at random and in time figure out that they are working the same problem from different angles they contracted for. So it is not jaded, with the Snowden revelations, some that doubted themselves previously realize they are the problem. So, they ignore their handy work or go insane knowing the damage they’ve caused. All in the name of the almighty dollar and not the nation behind it.

  • Bill Hobbs

    This article is absurd. Fort Hood is closer to Austin than it is to DFW. I saw in the comments where the author tried to dismiss this in order to protect his claim that Fort Hood is “just outside” the Dallas-Fort Worth metro area by calling Austin “tiny.” I’ve been to Austin. It’s not tiny. It’s most certainly a major metropolitan area (especially when you see how it is basically all connected to San Antonio now). Saying it’s close to D-FW like the Navy Yards are to Arlington, VA by using a ratio is silly – a made-up talking point meant to show a ‘coincidence’ that isn’t really there.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      According to you, then, as far as the alleged coincidence here, Ft. Hood might as well be in Michigan, right? Relative proximity has no relevance at all.

      Step back and try to comprehend the bigger picture.

      • Bill Hobbs

        I’ve stepped back to comprehend your obtuseness. Just admit you blew it with the claim that Fort Hood is “just outside” the D-FW metro area. Don’t double down on stupid. “Proportionally,” you were off by more than 5,700 miles.

        • DefendConstitution

          Think about Hilary’s infamous words. They apply here, big time.

      • Bill Hobbs

        I’ve stepped back to comprehend your obtuseness. Just admit you blew it with the claim that Fort Hood is “just outside” the D-FW metro area. Don’t double down on stupid. “Proportionally,” you were off by more than 5,700 miles.

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      According to you, then, as far as the alleged coincidence here, Ft. Hood might as well be in Michigan, right? Relative proximity has no relevance at all.

      Step back and try to comprehend the bigger picture.

    • bren54

      Bill , do you live in Texas? Then shut the hell up . You don’t know what your talking about.

      • Bill Hobbs

        Really, Bren? I have to live in Texas to understand math? Or does math work differently there? I did live in Texas. I’ve driven all over that state. I know that Fort Hood is not “just outside” the Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area. Frankly, you’d be stretching it to claim Waco is, and Fort Hood is well south of Waco. Also, don’t tell me the shut the hell up. This is America. We all have the right to speak. And you have the right to buy a friggin’ calculator because you suck at math. (And learn some grammar. It’s “you’re” not “your.”

        Bren, when you said “shut the hell up” – does that apply to the writer of the article, since he lives in DC, not Texas?

        What the hell is wrong with some people – they can’t admit they made a mistake. Donald Joy wrote something extremely stupid. He refuses to correct it because doing so would undermine a key part of his article.

    • bren54

      Bill , do you live in Texas? Then shut the hell up . You don’t know what your talking about.

    • bren54

      First of all Bill, I did tell you to shut the hell up. You didn’t seem to have any problem understanding my grammar . And you still don’t have a clue what your talking about. All that schooling did you no good, you still have’nt an ounce of common sense. Oh that’s right, you can’t buy common sense or get it out of a book. Go away troll.

      • Bill Hobbs

        Looks like you deleted my reply. How gutless are you?

  • Bill Hobbs

    This article is absurd. Fort Hood is closer to Austin than it is to DFW. I saw in the comments where the author tried to dismiss this in order to protect his claim that Fort Hood is “just outside” the Dallas-Fort Worth metro area by calling Austin “tiny.” I’ve been to Austin. It’s not tiny. It’s most certainly a major metropolitan area (especially when you see how it is basically all connected to San Antonio now). Saying it’s close to D-FW like the Navy Yards are to Arlington, VA by using a ratio is silly – a made-up talking point meant to show a ‘coincidence’ that isn’t really there.

  • Bill Hobbs

    This article is absurd. Fort Hood is closer to Austin than it is to DFW. I saw in the comments where the author tried to dismiss this in order to protect his claim that Fort Hood is “just outside” the Dallas-Fort Worth metro area by calling Austin “tiny.” I’ve been to Austin. It’s not tiny. It’s most certainly a major metropolitan area (especially when you see how it is basically all connected to San Antonio now). Saying it’s close to D-FW like the Navy Yards are to Arlington, VA by using a ratio is silly – a made-up talking point meant to show a ‘coincidence’ that isn’t really there.

  • Bill Hobbs

    So you’re theory is that, proportionally, Texas is 100 times larger than DC. I checked. DC is 68.3 square miles. So you believe Texas is 6,830 square miles, I guess. But I checked. Turns out Texas is 268,581 square miles. It isn’t 100 times larger than DC. It is 3,932 times larger. So your proportional coincidence is off by a factor of 39.32. For your proportional coincidence to work, Fort Hood would need to be located 5,898 miles away from DFW. Which would of course not be “just outside” the D-FW area.

    Math is not hard.

    (I originally posted this comment with DC being 61.4 square miles, not 68.3 Both numbers are correct – the smaller figure is the land area, the larger includes the water.)

    • http://ClashDaily.com/ Donald Joy

      In relative terms, as regards the significance of distance, would you say that a dead-center bulls-eye shot on a target at 3 yards is better, or about the same, as a shot placed a couple of inches from the center at 20 yards?

      • redpatriotmom

        To Donald Joy Bill Hobbs
        Oh gosh… please both of you put on you Big Boy Pants and shut up!!!

      • redpatriotmom

        To Donald Joy Bill Hobbs
        Oh gosh… please both of you put on you Big Boy Pants and shut up!!!

      • redpatriotmom

        To Donald Joy Bill Hobbs
        Oh gosh… please both of you put on you Big Boy Pants and shut up!!!

  • Bill Hobbs

    So you’re theory is that, proportionally, Texas is 100 times larger than DC. I checked. DC is 68.3 square miles. So you believe Texas is 6,830 square miles, I guess. But I checked. Turns out Texas is 268,581 square miles. It isn’t 100 times larger than DC. It is 3,932 times larger. So your proportional coincidence is off by a factor of 39.32. For your proportional coincidence to work, Fort Hood would need to be located 5,898 miles away from DFW. Which would of course not be “just outside” the D-FW area.

    Math is not hard.

    (I originally posted this comment with DC being 61.4 square miles, not 68.3 Both numbers are correct – the smaller figure is the land area, the larger includes the water.)

  • Dave

    I find it interesting that this happens just the day before Obama Runs Gun Control past our legislators. No suggesting anything, just find the timing interesting.

    Love my country, fear my government.

    100 % Service Connected Disabled Vet
    Dave

    • sick of hypocrisy

      Exactly the type of “Crisis the libtard a$$holes are craving in order to further attempt to erode our 2nd ammendment rights. Be vigilant my friends. These rabid anti-gun liberal scumbags don’t care one iota about this or any other tragedy staged or not. And this HMIC (head muslim in charge) in the White House is orcastrating this $hit behind the scenes. Find loyal jihadists to further his agenda for strict gun control laws. No different than the suicide bombers in the giant litterbox called the middle east.

      • DrSique

        You can’t possibly believe that progressives would want every American to be as defenseless as every one at the DC Navy Yard was, yesterday(sarcasm). Slick Willy Clinton decided that those who are charged with defending our country should not have the ability to defend themselves and noone has overturned that boondoggle. It seems, going to an American military installation and killing people was no more difficult than going to a Colorado movie theater. Same at Fort Hood but no lesson learned there. If liberals have their way, we will all be fish in a barrel.

        • JaundicedView

          Actually, it’s not a boondoggle, per se. Nobody makes any money off gun control (aside from, of course, gun control “charities” like Handgun Control Inc.). However, it’s most certainly paid for in the BLOOD of innocents who couldn’t defend themselves with a gun from criminals because of areas with truly asinine gun control legislation.

        • JaundicedView

          Actually, it’s not a boondoggle, per se. Nobody makes any money off gun control (aside from, of course, gun control “charities” like Handgun Control Inc.). However, it’s most certainly paid for in the BLOOD of innocents who couldn’t defend themselves with a gun from criminals because of areas with truly asinine gun control legislation.

        • JaundicedView

          Actually, it’s not a boondoggle, per se. Nobody makes any money off gun control (aside from, of course, gun control “charities” like Handgun Control Inc.). However, it’s most certainly paid for in the BLOOD of innocents who couldn’t defend themselves with a gun from criminals because of areas with truly asinine gun control legislation.

    • Rightand wrong

      Good point. Thank you for your service.

    • Rightand wrong

      Good point. Thank you for your service.

    • Rightand wrong

      Good point. Thank you for your service.

    • Jay Star

      Does make you step back and say Hmmm! Doesnt it? There was a time when if someone suggested that, I would have thought they were crazy. Not any more.

    • Jay Star

      Does make you step back and say Hmmm! Doesnt it? There was a time when if someone suggested that, I would have thought they were crazy. Not any more.

    • 58proudtobe

      It makes you wonder if he ever received drug therapy for his “anger management” and by who? Hasan?

      • marcyharris92

        Drug and mind bending training? Someone needs to check this out. All mass killers of late have been Leftist in leanings and on psychotropic drugs–perhaps those that make on susceptible to suggestion????

    • marcyharris92

      Now to get really creepy, is this another CIA programmed killer a la Sandy Hook? All about anti gun legislation–break a few eggs to make an omelet?

  • Dave

    I find it interesting that this happens just the day before Obama Runs Gun Control past our legislators. No suggesting anything, just find the timing interesting.

    Love my country, fear my government.

    100 % Service Connected Disabled Vet
    Dave

  • Dave

    I find it interesting that this happens just the day before Obama Runs Gun Control past our legislators. No suggesting anything, just find the timing interesting.

    Love my country, fear my government.

    100 % Service Connected Disabled Vet
    Dave

  • onlymetaz

    It appears to me that everyone is worried about how far some thing is and not what happened today! People lost their lives today! WHY are people like this getting into military places or serving in the military? This just does not make sense any more are we that lacks on laws unless it pertains to us?

    • moon

      Another killing field mass murder without any means for self defense[chl holders]!gun control doesn’t work!

    • moon

      Another killing field mass murder without any means for self defense[chl holders]!gun control doesn’t work!

    • victorbarney

      The same WAY that “President’s” GET RAISED BY A MURDERERS(BILL AYERS & Bernardine Dorhne)(sp?) RAISES PRESIDENT OBAMA in CHICAGO! DUH!

    • victorbarney

      The same WAY that “President’s” GET RAISED BY A MURDERERS(BILL AYERS & Bernardine Dorhne)(sp?) RAISES PRESIDENT OBAMA in CHICAGO! DUH!

    • chamuiel

      “This just does not make sense any more are we that lacks on laws unless it pertains to us?”

      Huh? Have you been in the cooking sherry again?

      (Hint: I am trying to give you an excuse for making that completely senseless statement.)

  • SuzeVegas

    I find it odd that not many ever mention the possibility of MKUltra. Seems strange that intelligent, non-violent people are now becoming mass murderers at a relatively alarming rate. There seems to be way more to this than what the eye meets. I don’t believe anything the media is portraying about this man. Just like the others, he seems to be a victim too. How sad….

  • SuzeVegas

    I find it odd that not many ever mention the possibility of MKUltra. Seems strange that intelligent, non-violent people are now becoming mass murderers at a relatively alarming rate. There seems to be way more to this than what the eye meets. I don’t believe anything the media is portraying about this man. Just like the others, he seems to be a victim too. How sad….

  • texas57

    Again, another good article. I’ve lived in Texas all my life, I’m with you on the Fort Hood issue. Born, bred, and raised a Texan so, some folks need to give Mr Don a break……….get over it, it’s close enuff to comprehend the freakin story….

  • texas57

    Again, another good article. I’ve lived in Texas all my life, I’m with you on the Fort Hood issue. Born, bred, and raised a Texan so, some folks need to give Mr Don a break……….get over it, it’s close enuff to comprehend the freakin story….

  • This Guy

    This would be more appropriates on Alex Jones’ site. Its is pointless and I’d like that 2 minutes of my life back.

  • This Guy

    This would be more appropriates on Alex Jones’ site. Its is pointless and I’d like that 2 minutes of my life back.

  • 2EdgedSword

    Before I exited a certain social website famous for violating the Constitutional rights of its posters permanently, I visited a page dedicated to shadowing the New Black Panthers Party for Self Defense in Dallas. Members are of course, all over, but Dallas has its Congo as do a handful of other cities including DC, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, NYC, and Miami. It is King Shamir Shabazz that made the infamous “Kill all whites” video around the time of the Philadelphia voter intimidation debacle which Eric Holder supported and refused to prosecute. There was more than one Navy Yard shooter and so it shapes up like another Sandy Hook multiple shooter (but just one referenced by media), Colorado theater theatrical with staged players, and casualties volunteered by the Czars, but a quite different rendition in the media. If they will transition to sacrificing radical leftists and or radical members of their own race for these kills it would be more fitting, but then it is the “Kill Whitey” syndrome that Eric Holder and Barak Obama officially supports politically, emotionally, and with US taxpayer dollars and agencies and the Department of Injustice.

  • 2EdgedSword

    Before I exited a certain social website famous for violating the Constitutional rights of its posters permanently, I visited a page dedicated to shadowing the New Black Panthers Party for Self Defense in Dallas. Members are of course, all over, but Dallas has its Congo as do a handful of other cities including DC, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, NYC, and Miami. It is King Shamir Shabazz that made the infamous “Kill all whites” video around the time of the Philadelphia voter intimidation debacle which Eric Holder supported and refused to prosecute. There was more than one Navy Yard shooter and so it shapes up like another Sandy Hook multiple shooter (but just one referenced by media), Colorado theater theatrical with staged players, and casualties volunteered by the Czars, but a quite different rendition in the media. If they will transition to sacrificing radical leftists and or radical members of their own race for these kills it would be more fitting, but then it is the “Kill Whitey” syndrome that Eric Holder and Barak Obama officially supports politically, emotionally, and with US taxpayer dollars and agencies and the Department of Injustice.

    • sweetone2

      I am all to familiar with the Shabazz name. A few years back a black man named Malik Shabazz injected race into the DUKE LACCROSS SPORTS TEAM. A hiredA pole dancer and other things was hired to perform at a sports party, but the party got out of hand..and she accused a LACCROSS PLAYER OF RAPE.. it was not justified for she had multilple partners and married at the time. It was considered by many to be a ”set up.” The Prosecutor was fined and fired for having a role in trying to get a conviction for this team. It never matermialized. Shabazz showed up to stir” stir up support. but soon after he relocated to DC ..and now and then..the SHABAZZ NAME surfaces very negatively..Also.. the Rev. Jessee Jackson offered to pay a Scholarship for the pole dancer and ‘call girl who happened to be ”black!” Other black celeb bit too and offered their so called help. They all left town with egg on their faces and were probably disappointed that it was all futile…and they were knows as the black BAFOONS! JUSTICE WAS SERVED!.

      • 2EdgedSword

        I just wonder how many more times we have to see the scenario repeated before we go into action to permanently amputate these kinds of people from our land. Thanks sweetone2 for reminding us of the Duke Lacrosse Teams’ demise. The string of similar events is soooo long it is easy to let one slip out of sight. I don’t want to forget any of them.

      • 2EdgedSword

        I just wonder how many more times we have to see the scenario repeated before we go into action to permanently amputate these kinds of people from our land. Thanks sweetone2 for reminding us of the Duke Lacrosse Teams’ demise. The string of similar events is soooo long it is easy to let one slip out of sight. I don’t want to forget any of them.

        • sweetone2

          Exactly… my pleasure! Thanks…

        • sweetone2

          Exactly… my pleasure! Thanks…

        • sweetone2

          Exactly… my pleasure! Thanks…

      • 2EdgedSword

        I just wonder how many more times we have to see the scenario repeated before we go into action to permanently amputate these kinds of people from our land. Thanks sweetone2 for reminding us of the Duke Lacrosse Teams’ demise. The string of similar events is soooo long it is easy to let one slip out of sight. I don’t want to forget any of them.

  • Charlyne Cook

    This is why people with behavioral problems should not get security clearances and people with dysfunctional/emotional problems should not be ignored when people are aware they need help and do nothing but let them go off on society like this! This is not a gun problem, thise is a problem that continues with unstable people holding a gun.

    • BD

      Extensive background investigation is utilized for any kind of security clearance. At this location I can safely assume DISCO? With his background, he would never get this DOD clearance. Also, three layers of security to gain entry to this facility, HOW, did he get 2 long guns through? More than a little smelly.

      • redpatriotmom

        They are now saying because of budget cuts security was lax

    • BD

      Extensive background investigation is utilized for any kind of security clearance. At this location I can safely assume DISCO? With his background, he would never get this DOD clearance. Also, three layers of security to gain entry to this facility, HOW, did he get 2 long guns through? More than a little smelly.

    • victorbarney

      That’s SUPPOSE TO BE TRUE ALREADY! Again, OUCH!

    • victorbarney

      That’s SUPPOSE TO BE TRUE ALREADY! Again, OUCH!

    • victorbarney

      That’s SUPPOSE TO BE TRUE ALREADY! Again, OUCH!

    • JulieB

      Yes, and the individual who is the biggest threat resides in “our” Whitehouse.

      • MikeR

        JulieB you are absolutely correct when you say, “OUR WHITEHOUSE”.

    • JulieB

      Yes, and the individual who is the biggest threat resides in “our” Whitehouse.

    • JulieB

      Yes, and the individual who is the biggest threat resides in “our” Whitehouse.

    • Jacobb Chapman

      We have a failed mental health system.

      • LeSellers

        We have an activist “mental health” system: it actively recruits new “patients” by forcing Ritalin and similar drugs on our boys from age 5~9 onward.

        All but one of the so-called mass killers since the 1970s was on some psychotropic drug or other. The warning labels on these drugs say that there are increased incidents of suicide, etc. One wonders if there are increased incidents of homicide. It’s obvious that there are increased incidents of homicide, since the facts make that case.

        Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

  • Charlyne Cook

    This is why people with behavioral problems should not get security clearances and people with dysfunctional/emotional problems should not be ignored when people are aware they need help and do nothing but let them go off on society like this! This is not a gun problem, thise is a problem that continues with unstable people holding a gun.

  • Andre Leonard

    Just count it up as another of the spoils of war and war enterprises.

    Anyone who has tied his life and livelihood to the MIC is perhaps challenged.

  • Andre Leonard

    Just count it up as another of the spoils of war and war enterprises.

    Anyone who has tied his life and livelihood to the MIC is perhaps challenged.

  • Andre Leonard

    Just count it up as another of the spoils of war and war enterprises.

    Anyone who has tied his life and livelihood to the MIC is perhaps challenged.

  • frankenbiker

    Carry 24/7 folks, nothing can protect yourself better, or faster than carrying. God bless the soles of the victims and the victims family’s, give them the strength they need to make it through this tragedy.

  • frankenbiker

    Carry 24/7 folks, nothing can protect yourself better, or faster than carrying. God bless the soles of the victims and the victims family’s, give them the strength they need to make it through this tragedy.

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Thank you for your service, Mr. Joy, and thank you for your “weird” observations.
    I had just read that Aaron Alexis moved to D.C. from Ft. Worth just a month ago. If that is true, and he had clearance at the Naval Shipyard, having such a violent history, then something is certainly “fishy” about the whole shipyard shooting, especially when Obama and Feinstein immediately came out for more gun control, and we know that D.C. has strict gun control laws. Will common sense prevail among United States citizens, letting them in on the “secret” that guns are procured by people who shoot them. The gun does not pick itself up to shoot at someone. Could it be that vulnerable individuals are recruited for the “job at hand?”

    • victorbarney

      ON THE MONEY!!!

    • victorbarney

      ON THE MONEY!!!

    • Jacobb Chapman

      Gun control only affects the Americans who don’t like Obama.

    • disqus_Ed8LYkU7q2

      The Continuing Saga on the communists to help destroy the Second Amendment and all the rest of the CONSTITUTION and the islamics to murder Americans under the cover of “Just Work Place Violence” or “Just Mass Murder”. Don’t look or see or know anything else.
      All PLANNED and BROUGHT ON by THE ISLAMIC COMMUNIST PUPPET REGIME, just
      another of their communist steps of planning to destroy Americans and
      WE THE PEOPLE.

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Thank you for your service, Mr. Joy, and thank you for your “weird” observations.
    I had just read that Aaron Alexis moved to D.C. from Ft. Worth just a month ago. If that is true, and he had clearance at the Naval Shipyard, having such a violent history, then something is certainly “fishy” about the whole shipyard shooting, especially when Obama and Feinstein immediately came out for more gun control, and we know that D.C. has strict gun control laws. Will common sense prevail among United States citizens, letting them in on the “secret” that guns are procured by people who shoot them. The gun does not pick itself up to shoot at someone. Could it be that vulnerable individuals are recruited for the “job at hand?”

  • redpatriotmom

    I read he had 2 prior shooting incidents… Once in Fort Worth, he was arrested on Sept. 4, 2010, after an upstairs neighbor reported that he had fired shots up into her apartment.
    And The other in 2004, he was arrested in Seattle for shooting out the tires of a construction worker’s car in an incident he later described as “an anger-fueled blackout

    Information just released: He was being treated for Schizophrenia… quite scary considering he was working as a Independent Contractor

    • victorbarney

      Still say that he worked for our CIA & NOW FBI! Watch!

  • redpatriotmom

    I read he had 2 prior shooting incidents… Once in Fort Worth, he was arrested on Sept. 4, 2010, after an upstairs neighbor reported that he had fired shots up into her apartment.
    And The other in 2004, he was arrested in Seattle for shooting out the tires of a construction worker’s car in an incident he later described as “an anger-fueled blackout

    Information just released: He was being treated for Schizophrenia… quite scary considering he was working as a Independent Contractor

  • agbjr

    One person could answer all questions including the ‘coincidental’ similarities … but Valerie Jarrett ain’t gonna talk.

  • agbjr

    One person could answer all questions including the ‘coincidental’ similarities … but Valerie Jarrett ain’t gonna talk.

  • agbjr

    One person could answer all questions including the ‘coincidental’ similarities … but Valerie Jarrett ain’t gonna talk.

  • John G. Gault

    Notice this: NOT A SINGLE MENTION of political affiliation. If he had been a registered Republican or if he had EVER once even looked at a TEA party site, it would be all over the news. If he had been a practicing Christian -or rather had claimed to be one, THAT would be all over the news. Not suggesting there is media bias here, rather the bias is rather a fact. Will not be surprised to find out he is Muslim. The supposed Buddaism and the love of violence is at best odd.

    • Marlin208

      We will never find out the truth about his religion if he is a Muslim. I would bet the house on the fact that he is.

    • Jacobb Chapman

      I couldn’t agree more. The Liberals will use this shooting against the Republicans if he was a registered Republican. The Liberal media blames Republicans for everything. “A woman couldn’t get an abortion at 8 months into pregnancy because of Republicans ‘war on women’” or “A mass shooting happened because Republicans are against gun control” or “People don’t have health insurance because Republicans oppose Obamacare.” Then they will manipulate people and say “good” things about Liberals. The Republicans are screwed.

  • John G. Gault

    Notice this: NOT A SINGLE MENTION of political affiliation. If he had been a registered Republican or if he had EVER once even looked at a TEA party site, it would be all over the news. If he had been a practicing Christian -or rather had claimed to be one, THAT would be all over the news. Not suggesting there is media bias here, rather the bias is rather a fact. Will not be surprised to find out he is Muslim. The supposed Buddaism and the love of violence is at best odd.

  • John G. Gault

    Notice this: NOT A SINGLE MENTION of political affiliation. If he had been a registered Republican or if he had EVER once even looked at a TEA party site, it would be all over the news. If he had been a practicing Christian -or rather had claimed to be one, THAT would be all over the news. Not suggesting there is media bias here, rather the bias is rather a fact. Will not be surprised to find out he is Muslim. The supposed Buddaism and the love of violence is at best odd.

  • Guest

    Actions speak louder than WORDS……Plain and simple……One more act of Terrorism uncovered….When will we get our heads out of the sand?????????? How many Americans have to die before we take back our Country.????????????

  • Guest

    Actions speak louder than WORDS……Plain and simple……One more act of Terrorism uncovered….When will we get our heads out of the sand?????????? How many Americans have to die before we take back our Country.????????????

    • victorbarney

      As I said above, “WE THE PEOPLE”(ANGLO-SAXONS) GET PUNISHED FIRST, AS WRITTEN! Again, OUCH!

    • victorbarney

      As I said above, “WE THE PEOPLE”(ANGLO-SAXONS) GET PUNISHED FIRST, AS WRITTEN! Again, OUCH!

  • JoeTexan

    Fort Hood isn’t in the Dallas – Ft. Worth area. Saying it is would be like saying Indianapolis is in the Columbus, OH area.

  • JoeTexan

    Fort Hood isn’t in the Dallas – Ft. Worth area. Saying it is would be like saying Indianapolis is in the Columbus, OH area.

  • JoeTexan

    Fort Hood isn’t in the Dallas – Ft. Worth area. Saying it is would be like saying Indianapolis is in the Columbus, OH area.

  • red

    isn’t it interesting that there is another person they are interested in, kind of like” the other person” they were interested in at sandy hook and the theater shooting.

    • USNbubblehead

      Don’t forget the Oklahoma city bombing. They were looking for a second suspect there too, and never turned one up. There always seems to be a #2 person in most of these cases that for some reason always seems to fade away and drop off the radar screen.

      Hmmm…

      • ladybug

        NEVER forget holder had a hand in that fiasco too…………………….

      • ladybug

        NEVER forget holder had a hand in that fiasco too…………………….

      • ladybug

        NEVER forget holder had a hand in that fiasco too…………………….

      • Guest

        Could O’bombya be the # 2 GUY in all these incidents? after
        all he seems to be the Muslime that wants to disarm Americans!.

  • red

    isn’t it interesting that there is another person they are interested in, kind of like” the other person” they were interested in at sandy hook and the theater shooting.

  • Reelman1946

    My take…as of now…
    is this man is another NUT that got thru the wonderfully expensive liberal safety net time after time…place after place…
    of course, there is a tiny chance he got motivated in Thailand via the usual cultists…but that seems so remote…
    so few have the guts to report these dangerous nuts but its easy to hammer parents for abuse charges or some ecological offense but real nuts…that appears to be super tough…why? Once again there were not near enough “good guns” to oppose the single “bad gun”…that should be corrected but may not be either.

    • ladybug

      WAS it the good ole PC that allowed him to have the job even with the obvious violent back round and police charges?

    • ladybug

      WAS it the good ole PC that allowed him to have the job even with the obvious violent back round and police charges?

    • ladybug

      WAS it the good ole PC that allowed him to have the job even with the obvious violent back round and police charges?

    • chamuiel

      Thailand? He was in Indonesia

    • chamuiel

      Thailand? He was in Indonesia

    • chamuiel

      Thailand? He was in Indonesia

  • Reelman1946

    My take…as of now…
    is this man is another NUT that got thru the wonderfully expensive liberal safety net time after time…place after place…
    of course, there is a tiny chance he got motivated in Thailand via the usual cultists…but that seems so remote…
    so few have the guts to report these dangerous nuts but its easy to hammer parents for abuse charges or some ecological offense but real nuts…that appears to be super tough…why? Once again there were not near enough “good guns” to oppose the single “bad gun”…that should be corrected but may not be either.

  • sovereigntyofone

    This is what I find strange about this shooting incident.
    This guy was a government ” contractor “, WHY wasn’t a complete ” security background check ” done on this man? If the news media can dig up all the altercations this man has had in the past, WHY didn’t the government catch the same things before hiring him to work for them even as a contractor?
    The alarm bells should have gone off because Arron Alexis got a ” General Discharge ” from the Navy, NOT an Honorable discharge. Next, WHY was the civilian law enforcement required to capture/kill this guy, WHY wasn’t the military armed and ready for this sort of incident or to prevent it?
    What we can deduct from what happened on this Navy facility is any Tom, Dick, or Mohamid can come strolling onto the base and carry out what ever they have in mind.
    This indicates that there is a severe lack of security on these facilities.
    Just my 2 cents worth.

  • sovereigntyofone

    This is what I find strange about this shooting incident.
    This guy was a government ” contractor “, WHY wasn’t a complete ” security background check ” done on this man? If the news media can dig up all the altercations this man has had in the past, WHY didn’t the government catch the same things before hiring him to work for them even as a contractor?
    The alarm bells should have gone off because Arron Alexis got a ” General Discharge ” from the Navy, NOT an Honorable discharge. Next, WHY was the civilian law enforcement required to capture/kill this guy, WHY wasn’t the military armed and ready for this sort of incident or to prevent it?
    What we can deduct from what happened on this Navy facility is any Tom, Dick, or Mohamid can come strolling onto the base and carry out what ever they have in mind.
    This indicates that there is a severe lack of security on these facilities.
    Just my 2 cents worth.

  • sovereigntyofone

    This is what I find strange about this shooting incident.
    This guy was a government ” contractor “, WHY wasn’t a complete ” security background check ” done on this man? If the news media can dig up all the altercations this man has had in the past, WHY didn’t the government catch the same things before hiring him to work for them even as a contractor?
    The alarm bells should have gone off because Arron Alexis got a ” General Discharge ” from the Navy, NOT an Honorable discharge. Next, WHY was the civilian law enforcement required to capture/kill this guy, WHY wasn’t the military armed and ready for this sort of incident or to prevent it?
    What we can deduct from what happened on this Navy facility is any Tom, Dick, or Mohamid can come strolling onto the base and carry out what ever they have in mind.
    This indicates that there is a severe lack of security on these facilities.
    Just my 2 cents worth.

  • Art Hock

    Workplace violence again???? If I had a son he would look like him! Expect more bull from the White House and more gun control push against honest citizens but let the thugs alone as they are my voters.

  • Art Hock

    Workplace violence again???? If I had a son he would look like him! Expect more bull from the White House and more gun control push against honest citizens but let the thugs alone as they are my voters.

  • Texas Geography

    Fort Hood is not ” Just outside” the Fort Worth area. It is over 2 hours south of there.

  • rjim

    I would like know why so many mass murders have happen under the Obama… this has never happen to this extent under any other President.

    • ding

      yes this is very interesting. I have been wondering this myself.

    • ding

      yes this is very interesting. I have been wondering this myself.

    • taliesin319

      Think what you wish about George Bush. He made it his business to keep us safe and did so from 9/12, 2001, till his last day in the Oval Office. He managed that by making it clear that he would make a parking lot out of the next country that decided to do us harm. He was soft on American Muslims because he had no idea they would make a career out of sitting on the fence rather than coming out strong and vocal for the USA. They know full well that sedition against the United States is practiced in 88 % of American Mosques
      primarily with Books and pamphlets, also cd, and videos. Itinerant visiting Imams frequently come to speak and they do exhort and applaud Jihad. Its a rare muslim who drops a dime on these Mosques. We know takquiya is alive, well and practiced. Criminals know that eric and barry, ( lower case intentional ) will allow any crime commited against Conservatives, Christians, or Jews to be downplayed. His nasty little army will take care of it. This latest incident is barely 24 hours old and he and Feinstein are prattling on threatening the 2nd Amendment. Every american citizen who does not legally own a weapon should go out today and put the wheels in motion to acquire one without delay and make the Nations firing ranges open for business 24/7/52/365. At least one American business will be hiring additional personnel.

      • Somekindofpatriot

        Know this, it is impossible to practice Islam under the Constitution of the United States of America. Islam is Sharia. Sharia is considered the infallible law of the Muslim god Allah and denies the basic rights of freedom. For example women are considered lesser beings, therefore in order to safeguard our rights there must be one law for all and no religious courts. Sharia’s harsh and excessive laws come directly from the founder of Islam in his Quran and in his example in the Hadith. Since Islamic law cannot be reformed without doing serious damage to original and authentic Islam, (the one taught by Muhammad) a second plan must be played out. Sharia must never spread around the world. At least that much is clear and achievable. The hard evidence demonstrates beyond doubt that Sharia does not benefit any society, for it contains way too many harsh rules and punishments.

        Here I present ten good reasons Sharia must be stopped, each has a backup article (or more) that is long and well documented with quotations and references to the Quran, the hadith.

        I suggest you copy these for future reference.

        10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
        In 2001, Iranian officials sentenced three men to flogging not only for illicit sex (see reason no. nine), but also for drinking alcohol.
        In 2005, in Nigeria a sharia court ordered that a drinker should be caned eighty strokes.
        In 2005, in the Indonesian province of Aceh, fifteen men were caned in front of a mosque for gambling. This was done publicly so all could see and fear. Eleven others are scheduled to undergo the same penalty for gambling.
        After going through two previous confusing stages before coming down hard on drinkers and gamblers, the Quran finally prohibits alcohol and gambling in Sura 5:90—91; they do not prescribe the punishment of flogging, but the hadith does. A poor ‘criminal’ was brought to Muhammad who became angry:
        The Prophet felt it hard (was angry) and ordered all those who were present in the house, to beat him [the drinker dragged into Muhammad's presence]. (Bukhari, Punishments, nos. 6774—6775)
        Thus, we see no offer of help for the alcoholic when he is dragged before Muhammad and his followers. Why does Muhammad not offer rehabilitation? Why does he immediately go to corporal punishment?

        9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.
        In 2004, Rania al—Baz, who had been beaten by her husband, made her ordeal public to raise awareness about violence suffered by women in the home in Saudi Arabia.
        A Saudi television station aired a talk show that discussed this issue, on the program an Islamic scholar was shown holding up sample rods that husbands may use to hit their wives.
        The Quran says:
        4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (MAS Abdel Haleem, the Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)
        The hadith says that Muslim women in the time of Muhammad were suffering from domestic violence in the context of confusing marriage laws:
        Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon ‘AbdurRahman bin Az—Zubair Al—Qurazi married her. ‘Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” (Bukhari)
        This hadith shows Muhammad hitting his girl—bride, Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr: Muslim no. 2127:
        ‘He [Muhammad] struck me [Aisha] on the chest which caused me pain.’
        It is claimed that Islamic societies have fewer incidents of fornication and adultery because of strict laws or customs, for example, women wearing veils over their faces or keeping separate from men in social settings. But these results of fewer incidents of sexual ‘crimes’ may have unanticipated negative effects in other areas, such as the oppression of women. Generally, sharia restricts women’s social mobility and rights, the more closely sharia is followed. For example, in conservative Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive cars. In Iran, the law oppresses women. For example, women’s testimony counts half that of men, and far more women than men are stoned to death for adultery. Sura 4:34

        8. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.
        In 2003, in Saudi Arabia a man had two teeth extracted under the law of retaliation.
        In 2003, a court in Pakistan sentenced a man to be blinded by acid after he carried out a similar attack on his fiance.
        In 2005, an Iranian court orders a man’s eye to be removed for throwing acid on another man and blinding him in both eyes.
        The Quran says:
        5:45 And We ordained therein for them: Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal. But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers . . .). (Hilali and Khan, The Noble Qur’an, Riyadh: Darussalam, 1996)
        This passage allows for an indemnity or compensation instead of imposing the literal punishment of eye for an eye. No one should have a quarrel with this option. According to the hadith, the plaintiff also has the option to forgive, and this is legitimate, provided a judge oversees the process. The problem is the literal law of retaliation.
        The hadith and later legal rulings demonstrate that this excessive option was actually carried out, Islamic law calls all of humanity to march backwards 1,400 years BC and to re-impose the old law of retaliation—literally.

        7. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.
        We should never lose sight of the fact that this punishment is prescribed in the Quran, the eternal word of Allah. It does not exist only in the fevered imagination of a violent and sick radical regime like the Taliban, which once ruled in Afghanistan.
        A Saudi cleric justifies chopping off hands here.
        The Quran says:
        5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful. (Haleem)
        At first glance, verse 39 seems to accept repentance before the thief’s hand is cut off. But the hadith states emphatically that repentance is acceptable only after mutilation. Muhammad himself says that even if his own daughter, Fatima, were to steal and then intercede that her hand should not be cut off, he would still have to cut it off (Bukhari, Punishments, no. 6788)

        6. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated.
        In September 2003, Scotsman Sandy Mitchell faced crucifixion in Saudi Arabia. He was beaten and tortured until he confessed to a crime he did not commit: a bomb plot masterminded by the British embassy. The article says of this punishment that it is the worst kind of execution and that two have been carried out in the last twenty years.
        In 2002 Amnesty International reports that even though Saudi Arabia ratified the Convention against Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (Convention against Torture) in October 1997, amputation is prescribed under both Hudud (punishments) and Qisas (law of retaliation). AI has recorded thirty—three amputations and nine cross—amputations where the alternate hand or foot is mutilated.
        The Quran says:
        5:33 Those who wage war against God and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption in the land should be punished by death, crucifixion, the amputation of an alternate hand and foot or banishment from the land: a disgrace for them in this world, and then a terrible punishment in the Hereafter, 34 unless they repent before you overpower them: in that case bear in mind that God is forgiving and merciful. (Haleem)
        It may be difficult to accept, but the hadith says that Muhammad tortured these next people before he executed them. This scenario provides the historical context of Sura 5:33—34.
        Narrated Anas: Some people . . . came to the Prophet and embraced Islam . . .They turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away . . . The Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they died. (Bukhari, Punishments, no. 6802)
        The next hadith reports that the renegades died from bleeding to death because Muhammad refused to cauterize their amputated limbs. Then the hadith after that one reports that the renegades were not given water, so they died of thirst. They probably died of both causes: thirst and loss of blood.
        Islamic law says that these punishments are imposed for highway robbery, and in some cases crucifixion does not need a murder before it is imposed.

        5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.
        In February 1998, the Taliban, who once ruled in Afghanistan, ordered a stone wall to be pushed over three men convicted of sodomy. Their lives were to be spared if they survived for 30 minutes and were still alive when the stones were removed.
        In its 1991 Constitution, in Articles 108—113, Iran adopted the punishment of execution for sodomy.
        In April 2005, a Kuwaiti cleric says homosexuals should be thrown off a mountain or stoned to death.
        On April 7, 2005, it was reported that Saudi Arabia sentenced more than 100 men to prison or flogging for ‘gay conduct.’
        These homosexuals were lucky. Early Islam would have executed them, as these hadith demonstrate.
        Ibn Abbas, Muhammad’s cousin and highly reliable transmitter of hadith, reports the following about early Islam and Muhammad’s punishment of homosexuals: . . .
        ‘If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done’ (Abu Dawud no. 4447).
        This hadith passage says that homosexuals should be burned alive or have wall pushed on them:
        Ibn Abbas and Abu Huraira reported God’s messenger as saying, ‘Accursed is he who does what Lot’s people did.’ In a version . . . on the authority of Ibn Abbas it says that Ali [Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law] had two people burned and that Abu Bakr [Muhammad's chief companion] had a wall thrown down on them. (Mishkat, vol. 1, p. 765, Prescribed Punishments)
        Though this punishment of a wall being toppled on them is extreme, the Taliban were merely following the origins of their religion.

        4. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.
        Fornication:
        In 2001, Iranian officials sentenced three men to flogging for illicit sex.The Quran says:
        24:2 The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. [This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime (illegal sex), but if married persons commit it (illegal sex), the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's law]. (Hilali and Khan).
        The additions in the brackets, though not original to the Arabic, have the support of the hadith. These command flogging only of unmarried fornicators: Bukhari, Punishments, nos. 6831 and 6833.
        The classical legal rulings follow the Quran and the hadith closely, so we do not need to analyze them here.
        According to this report, in Iran a teenage boy broke his Ramadan fast, so a judge sentenced him to be lashed with eighty—five stripes. He died from the punishment. Though his sad case does not deal with fornication, it is cited here because it shows that lashing can be fatal.
        Adultery:
        In December 2004, Amnesty International reports:
        An Iranian woman charged with adultery faces death by stoning in the next five days after her death sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court last month. Her unnamed co—defendant is at risk of imminent execution by hanging. Amnesty International members are now writing urgent appeals to the Iranian authorities, calling for the execution to be stopped.
        She is to be buried up to her chest and stoned to death.
        This gruesome hadith passage reports that a woman was buried up to her chest and stoned to death:
        And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al—Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on his face he cursed her.
        The Prophet prayed over her dead body and then buried her. Truthfully, though, how effective was the prayer when Muhammad and his community murdered her in cold blood? The rest of the hadith says that Muhammad told Khalid not to be too harsh, but the Prophet’s words drip with irony. Perhaps Muhammad meant that Khalid should not have cursed her. However, if they really did not want to be harsh, they should have forgiven her and let her go to raise her child.
        Later Islamic legal rulings follow the Quran and the hadith closely.

        3. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself.
        In 1989, Iran’s Supreme Leader issued a fatwa (legal decree) to assassinate Salman Rushdie, a novelist, who wrote Satanic Verses, which includes questions about the angel Gabriel’s role in inspiring the Quran. Now the extremists in the highest levels in Iran have recently renewed the fatwa.
        In 2005, The Muslim Council of Victoria, Australia, brought a lawsuit against two pastors for holding a conference and posting articles critiquing Islam. Three Muslims attended the conference and felt offended. The two pastors have been convicted based on Australia’s vilification law. While on trial, one of them wanted to read from the Quran on domestic violence but the lawyer representing the Council would not allow it. The pastors are appealing their conviction.
        In 2005, British Muslims have been campaigning to pass a religious hate speech law in England’s parliament. They have succeeded. Their ability to propagandize has not been curtailed. Opponents of the law say that it stifles free speech that may criticize Muhammad, the Quran, and Islam.
        Here are the classical legal rulings.
        First, the Muslim deserves death for doing any of the following (Reliance of the Traveler pp. 597—98, o8.7):
        (1) Reviling Allah or his Messenger; (2) being sarcastic about ‘Allah’s name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat’; (3) denying any verse of the Quran or ‘anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it’; (4) holding that ‘any of Allah’s messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent’; (5) reviling the religion of Islam; (6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law; (7) denying that Allah intended ‘the Prophet’s message . . . to be the religion followed by the entire world.’
        It is no wonder that critical investigation of the truth claims of Islam can never prevail in Islamic lands when the sword of Muhammad hangs over the scholars’ head.
        The non—Muslims living under Islamic rule are not allowed to do the following (p. 609, o11.10(1)—(5)):
        (1) Commit adultery with a Muslim woman or marry her; (2) conceal spies of hostile forces; (3) lead a Muslim away from Islam; (4) mention something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet . . . or Islam.
        According to the discretion of the caliph or his representative, the punishments for violating these rules are as follows: (1) death, (2) enslavement, (3) release without paying anything, and (4) ransoming in exchange for money. These punishments also execute free speech—even repulsive speech—and freedom of religion or conscience.
        Ultimately, censorship testifies to a lack of confidence in one’s position and message. If the message of Islam were truly superior, one could trust in the power of truth. As it stands, sharia with its prescribed punishments for questioning Muhammad, the Quran, and sharia itself testifies to their weakness since sharia threatens those who dare to differ.
        How confident was Muhammad (and today’s Muslims) in his message that he had to rely on violence and force to protect his message, besides reason and persuasive argumentation?

        2. Islam orders apostates to be killed.
        In Iran an academic was condemned to death for criticizing clerical rule in Iran. The rulers assert that he was insulting Muhammad and Shi’ite laws. He was charged with apostasy.
        Apostates are those who leave Islam, like Salman Rushdie, whether they become atheists or convert to another religion they are supposed to be killed according to the Quran, the hadith, and later legal rulings.
        Sayyid Maududi, a respected Islamic scholar, in this booklet argues that Sura 9:11—12 refers to apostates and that they should be put to death. They should be given time to repent, but if they refuse, they must be killed. And the number one reason why sharia is bad for all societies . . .

        1. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.
        Muhammad is foundational to Islam, and he set the genetic code for Islam, waging war. In the ten years that he lived in Medina from his Hijrah (Emigration) from Mecca in AD 622 to his death of a fever in AD 632, he either sent out or went out on seventy—four raids, expeditions, or full—scale wars. They range from small assassination hit squads to kill anyone who insulted him, to the Tabuk Crusades in late AD 630 against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a rumor that an army was mobilizing to invade Arabia, but the rumor was false, so his 30,000 jihadists returned home, but not before imposing a jizya tax on northern Christians and Jews.
        Money flowed into the Islamic treasury. So why would Muhammad get a revelation to dry up this money flow?
        What are some of the legalized rules of jihad found in the Quran, hadith, and classical legal opinions?
        (1) Women and children are enslaved. They can either be sold, or the Muslims may ‘marry’ the women, since their marriages are automatically annulled upon their capture. (2) Jihadists may have sex with slave women. Ali, Muhammad’s cousin and son—in—law, did this. (3) Women and children must not be killed during war, unless this happens in a nighttime raid when visibility was low. (4) Old men and monks could be killed. (5) A captured enemy of war could be killed, enslaved, ransomed for money or an exchange, freely released, or beaten. One time Muhammad even tortured a citizen of the city of Khaybar in order to extract information about where the wealth of the city was hidden. (6) Enemy men who converted could keep their property and small children. This law is so excessive that it amounts to forced conversion. Only the strongest of the strong could resist this coercion and remain a non—Muslim. (7) Civilian property may be confiscated. (8) Civilian homes may be destroyed. (9) Civilian fruit trees may be destroyed. (10) Pagan Arabs had to convert or die. This does not allow for the freedom of religion or conscience. (11) People of the Book (Jews and Christians) had three options (Sura 9:29): fight and die; convert and pay a forced ‘charity’ or zakat tax; or keep their Biblical faith and pay a jizya or poll tax. The last two options mean that money flows into the Islamic treasury, so why would Muhammad receive a revelation to dry up this money flow?

        Conclusion
        The nightmare must end. Sharia oppresses the citizens of Islamic countries. Islam must reform, but the legal hierarchy in Islamic nations will not do this because the judges and legal scholars understand the cost: many passages in the Quran and the hadith must be rejected, and this they cannot do. After all, the Quran came down directly from Allah through Gabriel, so says traditional theology.

        Can Islamic countries benefit from an Enlightenment that may deny the Quran and the hadith? This seems impossible. Islamic law threatens Muslims with death if they criticize Muhammad and the Quran, not to mention denying them.

        Rights, justice, inclusion, equality and respect are for all people, not for beliefs and parallel legal systems.

        One of the most tragic and under—reported occurrences in the West in recent years is the existence of a sharia court in Canada. Muslims are pushing for a sharia divorce court in Australia as well. Having a court of arbitration if it is based on western law and legal theory is legitimate, but sharia does not hold to this standard. Whether sharia is imposed gradually or rapidly, Canada should promptly shut down any sharia court, and Australia should never allow one. Such a court should never be permitted in the US, the rest of the West, or anywhere else in the world that is battling Islam.

        It is true that the Enlightenment teaches tolerance, but it also teaches critical thinking and reasoning. Sharia cannot stand up under scrutiny. It is intolerant and excessive, even Aristotle in his Nicomachean Ethics teaches the West that excess is never just.

        Thankfully, the province of Quebec, Canada, has forbidden Sharia.
        This is the right initiative, Islam is violent—unjust and aggressive
        Jihad is aggressive, coercive, and excessive, and Allah never revealed to Muhammad to stop these practices.

        Sharia ultimately degrades society and destroys freedoms.
        Wake up America

      • Somekindofpatriot

        Know this, it is impossible to practice Islam under the Constitution of the United States of America. Islam is Sharia. Sharia is considered the infallible law of the Muslim god Allah and denies the basic rights of freedom. For example women are considered lesser beings, therefore in order to safeguard our rights there must be one law for all and no religious courts. Sharia’s harsh and excessive laws come directly from the founder of Islam in his Quran and in his example in the Hadith. Since Islamic law cannot be reformed without doing serious damage to original and authentic Islam, (the one taught by Muhammad) a second plan must be played out. Sharia must never spread around the world. At least that much is clear and achievable. The hard evidence demonstrates beyond doubt that Sharia does not benefit any society, for it contains way too many harsh rules and punishments.

        Here I present ten good reasons Sharia must be stopped, each has a backup article (or more) that is long and well documented with quotations and references to the Quran, the hadith.

        I suggest you copy these for future reference.

        10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
        In 2001, Iranian officials sentenced three men to flogging not only for illicit sex (see reason no. nine), but also for drinking alcohol.
        In 2005, in Nigeria a sharia court ordered that a drinker should be caned eighty strokes.
        In 2005, in the Indonesian province of Aceh, fifteen men were caned in front of a mosque for gambling. This was done publicly so all could see and fear. Eleven others are scheduled to undergo the same penalty for gambling.
        After going through two previous confusing stages before coming down hard on drinkers and gamblers, the Quran finally prohibits alcohol and gambling in Sura 5:90—91; they do not prescribe the punishment of flogging, but the hadith does. A poor ‘criminal’ was brought to Muhammad who became angry:
        The Prophet felt it hard (was angry) and ordered all those who were present in the house, to beat him [the drinker dragged into Muhammad's presence]. (Bukhari, Punishments, nos. 6774—6775)
        Thus, we see no offer of help for the alcoholic when he is dragged before Muhammad and his followers. Why does Muhammad not offer rehabilitation? Why does he immediately go to corporal punishment?

        9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.
        In 2004, Rania al—Baz, who had been beaten by her husband, made her ordeal public to raise awareness about violence suffered by women in the home in Saudi Arabia.
        A Saudi television station aired a talk show that discussed this issue, on the program an Islamic scholar was shown holding up sample rods that husbands may use to hit their wives.
        The Quran says:
        4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (MAS Abdel Haleem, the Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)
        The hadith says that Muslim women in the time of Muhammad were suffering from domestic violence in the context of confusing marriage laws:
        Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon ‘AbdurRahman bin Az—Zubair Al—Qurazi married her. ‘Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” (Bukhari)
        This hadith shows Muhammad hitting his girl—bride, Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr: Muslim no. 2127:
        ‘He [Muhammad] struck me [Aisha] on the chest which caused me pain.’
        It is claimed that Islamic societies have fewer incidents of fornication and adultery because of strict laws or customs, for example, women wearing veils over their faces or keeping separate from men in social settings. But these results of fewer incidents of sexual ‘crimes’ may have unanticipated negative effects in other areas, such as the oppression of women. Generally, sharia restricts women’s social mobility and rights, the more closely sharia is followed. For example, in conservative Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive cars. In Iran, the law oppresses women. For example, women’s testimony counts half that of men, and far more women than men are stoned to death for adultery. Sura 4:34

        8. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.
        In 2003, in Saudi Arabia a man had two teeth extracted under the law of retaliation.
        In 2003, a court in Pakistan sentenced a man to be blinded by acid after he carried out a similar attack on his fiance.
        In 2005, an Iranian court orders a man’s eye to be removed for throwing acid on another man and blinding him in both eyes.
        The Quran says:
        5:45 And We ordained therein for them: Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal. But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers . . .). (Hilali and Khan, The Noble Qur’an, Riyadh: Darussalam, 1996)
        This passage allows for an indemnity or compensation instead of imposing the literal punishment of eye for an eye. No one should have a quarrel with this option. According to the hadith, the plaintiff also has the option to forgive, and this is legitimate, provided a judge oversees the process. The problem is the literal law of retaliation.
        The hadith and later legal rulings demonstrate that this excessive option was actually carried out, Islamic law calls all of humanity to march backwards 1,400 years BC and to re-impose the old law of retaliation—literally.

        7. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.
        We should never lose sight of the fact that this punishment is prescribed in the Quran, the eternal word of Allah. It does not exist only in the fevered imagination of a violent and sick radical regime like the Taliban, which once ruled in Afghanistan.
        A Saudi cleric justifies chopping off hands here.
        The Quran says:
        5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful. (Haleem)
        At first glance, verse 39 seems to accept repentance before the thief’s hand is cut off. But the hadith states emphatically that repentance is acceptable only after mutilation. Muhammad himself says that even if his own daughter, Fatima, were to steal and then intercede that her hand should not be cut off, he would still have to cut it off (Bukhari, Punishments, no. 6788)

        6. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated.
        In September 2003, Scotsman Sandy Mitchell faced crucifixion in Saudi Arabia. He was beaten and tortured until he confessed to a crime he did not commit: a bomb plot masterminded by the British embassy. The article says of this punishment that it is the worst kind of execution and that two have been carried out in the last twenty years.
        In 2002 Amnesty International reports that even though Saudi Arabia ratified the Convention against Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (Convention against Torture) in October 1997, amputation is prescribed under both Hudud (punishments) and Qisas (law of retaliation). AI has recorded thirty—three amputations and nine cross—amputations where the alternate hand or foot is mutilated.
        The Quran says:
        5:33 Those who wage war against God and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption in the land should be punished by death, crucifixion, the amputation of an alternate hand and foot or banishment from the land: a disgrace for them in this world, and then a terrible punishment in the Hereafter, 34 unless they repent before you overpower them: in that case bear in mind that God is forgiving and merciful. (Haleem)
        It may be difficult to accept, but the hadith says that Muhammad tortured these next people before he executed them. This scenario provides the historical context of Sura 5:33—34.
        Narrated Anas: Some people . . . came to the Prophet and embraced Islam . . .They turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away . . . The Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they died. (Bukhari, Punishments, no. 6802)
        The next hadith reports that the renegades died from bleeding to death because Muhammad refused to cauterize their amputated limbs. Then the hadith after that one reports that the renegades were not given water, so they died of thirst. They probably died of both causes: thirst and loss of blood.
        Islamic law says that these punishments are imposed for highway robbery, and in some cases crucifixion does not need a murder before it is imposed.

        5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.
        In February 1998, the Taliban, who once ruled in Afghanistan, ordered a stone wall to be pushed over three men convicted of sodomy. Their lives were to be spared if they survived for 30 minutes and were still alive when the stones were removed.
        In its 1991 Constitution, in Articles 108—113, Iran adopted the punishment of execution for sodomy.
        In April 2005, a Kuwaiti cleric says homosexuals should be thrown off a mountain or stoned to death.
        On April 7, 2005, it was reported that Saudi Arabia sentenced more than 100 men to prison or flogging for ‘gay conduct.’
        These homosexuals were lucky. Early Islam would have executed them, as these hadith demonstrate.
        Ibn Abbas, Muhammad’s cousin and highly reliable transmitter of hadith, reports the following about early Islam and Muhammad’s punishment of homosexuals: . . .
        ‘If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done’ (Abu Dawud no. 4447).
        This hadith passage says that homosexuals should be burned alive or have wall pushed on them:
        Ibn Abbas and Abu Huraira reported God’s messenger as saying, ‘Accursed is he who does what Lot’s people did.’ In a version . . . on the authority of Ibn Abbas it says that Ali [Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law] had two people burned and that Abu Bakr [Muhammad's chief companion] had a wall thrown down on them. (Mishkat, vol. 1, p. 765, Prescribed Punishments)
        Though this punishment of a wall being toppled on them is extreme, the Taliban were merely following the origins of their religion.

        4. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.
        Fornication:
        In 2001, Iranian officials sentenced three men to flogging for illicit sex.The Quran says:
        24:2 The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. [This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime (illegal sex), but if married persons commit it (illegal sex), the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's law]. (Hilali and Khan).
        The additions in the brackets, though not original to the Arabic, have the support of the hadith. These command flogging only of unmarried fornicators: Bukhari, Punishments, nos. 6831 and 6833.
        The classical legal rulings follow the Quran and the hadith closely, so we do not need to analyze them here.
        According to this report, in Iran a teenage boy broke his Ramadan fast, so a judge sentenced him to be lashed with eighty—five stripes. He died from the punishment. Though his sad case does not deal with fornication, it is cited here because it shows that lashing can be fatal.
        Adultery:
        In December 2004, Amnesty International reports:
        An Iranian woman charged with adultery faces death by stoning in the next five days after her death sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court last month. Her unnamed co—defendant is at risk of imminent execution by hanging. Amnesty International members are now writing urgent appeals to the Iranian authorities, calling for the execution to be stopped.
        She is to be buried up to her chest and stoned to death.
        This gruesome hadith passage reports that a woman was buried up to her chest and stoned to death:
        And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al—Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on his face he cursed her.
        The Prophet prayed over her dead body and then buried her. Truthfully, though, how effective was the prayer when Muhammad and his community murdered her in cold blood? The rest of the hadith says that Muhammad told Khalid not to be too harsh, but the Prophet’s words drip with irony. Perhaps Muhammad meant that Khalid should not have cursed her. However, if they really did not want to be harsh, they should have forgiven her and let her go to raise her child.
        Later Islamic legal rulings follow the Quran and the hadith closely.

        3. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself.
        In 1989, Iran’s Supreme Leader issued a fatwa (legal decree) to assassinate Salman Rushdie, a novelist, who wrote Satanic Verses, which includes questions about the angel Gabriel’s role in inspiring the Quran. Now the extremists in the highest levels in Iran have recently renewed the fatwa.
        In 2005, The Muslim Council of Victoria, Australia, brought a lawsuit against two pastors for holding a conference and posting articles critiquing Islam. Three Muslims attended the conference and felt offended. The two pastors have been convicted based on Australia’s vilification law. While on trial, one of them wanted to read from the Quran on domestic violence but the lawyer representing the Council would not allow it. The pastors are appealing their conviction.
        In 2005, British Muslims have been campaigning to pass a religious hate speech law in England’s parliament. They have succeeded. Their ability to propagandize has not been curtailed. Opponents of the law say that it stifles free speech that may criticize Muhammad, the Quran, and Islam.
        Here are the classical legal rulings.
        First, the Muslim deserves death for doing any of the following (Reliance of the Traveler pp. 597—98, o8.7):
        (1) Reviling Allah or his Messenger; (2) being sarcastic about ‘Allah’s name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat’; (3) denying any verse of the Quran or ‘anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it’; (4) holding that ‘any of Allah’s messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent’; (5) reviling the religion of Islam; (6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law; (7) denying that Allah intended ‘the Prophet’s message . . . to be the religion followed by the entire world.’
        It is no wonder that critical investigation of the truth claims of Islam can never prevail in Islamic lands when the sword of Muhammad hangs over the scholars’ head.
        The non—Muslims living under Islamic rule are not allowed to do the following (p. 609, o11.10(1)—(5)):
        (1) Commit adultery with a Muslim woman or marry her; (2) conceal spies of hostile forces; (3) lead a Muslim away from Islam; (4) mention something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet . . . or Islam.
        According to the discretion of the caliph or his representative, the punishments for violating these rules are as follows: (1) death, (2) enslavement, (3) release without paying anything, and (4) ransoming in exchange for money. These punishments also execute free speech—even repulsive speech—and freedom of religion or conscience.
        Ultimately, censorship testifies to a lack of confidence in one’s position and message. If the message of Islam were truly superior, one could trust in the power of truth. As it stands, sharia with its prescribed punishments for questioning Muhammad, the Quran, and sharia itself testifies to their weakness since sharia threatens those who dare to differ.
        How confident was Muhammad (and today’s Muslims) in his message that he had to rely on violence and force to protect his message, besides reason and persuasive argumentation?

        2. Islam orders apostates to be killed.
        In Iran an academic was condemned to death for criticizing clerical rule in Iran. The rulers assert that he was insulting Muhammad and Shi’ite laws. He was charged with apostasy.
        Apostates are those who leave Islam, like Salman Rushdie, whether they become atheists or convert to another religion they are supposed to be killed according to the Quran, the hadith, and later legal rulings.
        Sayyid Maududi, a respected Islamic scholar, in this booklet argues that Sura 9:11—12 refers to apostates and that they should be put to death. They should be given time to repent, but if they refuse, they must be killed. And the number one reason why sharia is bad for all societies . . .

        1. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.
        Muhammad is foundational to Islam, and he set the genetic code for Islam, waging war. In the ten years that he lived in Medina from his Hijrah (Emigration) from Mecca in AD 622 to his death of a fever in AD 632, he either sent out or went out on seventy—four raids, expeditions, or full—scale wars. They range from small assassination hit squads to kill anyone who insulted him, to the Tabuk Crusades in late AD 630 against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a rumor that an army was mobilizing to invade Arabia, but the rumor was false, so his 30,000 jihadists returned home, but not before imposing a jizya tax on northern Christians and Jews.
        Money flowed into the Islamic treasury. So why would Muhammad get a revelation to dry up this money flow?
        What are some of the legalized rules of jihad found in the Quran, hadith, and classical legal opinions?
        (1) Women and children are enslaved. They can either be sold, or the Muslims may ‘marry’ the women, since their marriages are automatically annulled upon their capture. (2) Jihadists may have sex with slave women. Ali, Muhammad’s cousin and son—in—law, did this. (3) Women and children must not be killed during war, unless this happens in a nighttime raid when visibility was low. (4) Old men and monks could be killed. (5) A captured enemy of war could be killed, enslaved, ransomed for money or an exchange, freely released, or beaten. One time Muhammad even tortured a citizen of the city of Khaybar in order to extract information about where the wealth of the city was hidden. (6) Enemy men who converted could keep their property and small children. This law is so excessive that it amounts to forced conversion. Only the strongest of the strong could resist this coercion and remain a non—Muslim. (7) Civilian property may be confiscated. (8) Civilian homes may be destroyed. (9) Civilian fruit trees may be destroyed. (10) Pagan Arabs had to convert or die. This does not allow for the freedom of religion or conscience. (11) People of the Book (Jews and Christians) had three options (Sura 9:29): fight and die; convert and pay a forced ‘charity’ or zakat tax; or keep their Biblical faith and pay a jizya or poll tax. The last two options mean that money flows into the Islamic treasury, so why would Muhammad receive a revelation to dry up this money flow?

        Conclusion
        The nightmare must end. Sharia oppresses the citizens of Islamic countries. Islam must reform, but the legal hierarchy in Islamic nations will not do this because the judges and legal scholars understand the cost: many passages in the Quran and the hadith must be rejected, and this they cannot do. After all, the Quran came down directly from Allah through Gabriel, so says traditional theology.

        Can Islamic countries benefit from an Enlightenment that may deny the Quran and the hadith? This seems impossible. Islamic law threatens Muslims with death if they criticize Muhammad and the Quran, not to mention denying them.

        Rights, justice, inclusion, equality and respect are for all people, not for beliefs and parallel legal systems.

        One of the most tragic and under—reported occurrences in the West in recent years is the existence of a sharia court in Canada. Muslims are pushing for a sharia divorce court in Australia as well. Having a court of arbitration if it is based on western law and legal theory is legitimate, but sharia does not hold to this standard. Whether sharia is imposed gradually or rapidly, Canada should promptly shut down any sharia court, and Australia should never allow one. Such a court should never be permitted in the US, the rest of the West, or anywhere else in the world that is battling Islam.

        It is true that the Enlightenment teaches tolerance, but it also teaches critical thinking and reasoning. Sharia cannot stand up under scrutiny. It is intolerant and excessive, even Aristotle in his Nicomachean Ethics teaches the West that excess is never just.

        Thankfully, the province of Quebec, Canada, has forbidden Sharia.
        This is the right initiative, Islam is violent—unjust and aggressive
        Jihad is aggressive, coercive, and excessive, and Allah never revealed to Muhammad to stop these practices.

        Sharia ultimately degrades society and destroys freedoms.
        Wake up America

    • taliesin319

      Think what you wish about George Bush. He made it his business to keep us safe and did so from 9/12, 2001, till his last day in the Oval Office. He managed that by making it clear that he would make a parking lot out of the next country that decided to do us harm. He was soft on American Muslims because he had no idea they would make a career out of sitting on the fence rather than coming out strong and vocal for the USA. They know full well that sedition against the United States is practiced in 88 % of American Mosques
      primarily with Books and pamphlets, also cd, and videos. Itinerant visiting Imams frequently come to speak and they do exhort and applaud Jihad. Its a rare muslim who drops a dime on these Mosques. We know takquiya is alive, well and practiced. Criminals know that eric and barry, ( lower case intentional ) will allow any crime commited against Conservatives, Christians, or Jews to be downplayed. His nasty little army will take care of it. This latest incident is barely 24 hours old and he and Feinstein are prattling on threatening the 2nd Amendment. Every american citizen who does not legally own a weapon should go out today and put the wheels in motion to acquire one without delay and make the Nations firing ranges open for business 24/7/52/365. At least one American business will be hiring additional personnel.

    • jillocity

      not just mass murders, but 73% of American Servicemen/women killed in Afghanistan have been killed under obama’s “presidency” (this can be verified through research)…our men and women there have been denied the equipment and armament they need to protect themselves…not to mention being denied meals…it is beyond shameful, it is evil…

    • jillocity

      not just mass murders, but 73% of American Servicemen/women killed in Afghanistan have been killed under obama’s “presidency” (this can be verified through research)…our men and women there have been denied the equipment and armament they need to protect themselves…not to mention being denied meals…it is beyond shameful, it is evil…

  • rjim

    I would like know why so many mass murders have happen under the Obama… this has never happen to this extent under any other President.

  • rjim

    I would like know why so many mass murders have happen under the Obama… this has never happen to this extent under any other President.

  • Doc

    In government speak “contractor” sometimes means “spook”

  • Ulfric Thorsson

    Ft Hood is located in Killeen,TX. A good 3-4 hour drive from DFW. Even by Texas standards,they are NOT right next to each other. I used to live in Copperas Cove,TX (a little piss ant town next to Hood and Killeen. Full of churches and in a dry county. Stupid ass Christian scum).
    My National Guard unit was in Killeen and I was going to school in Dallas,so trust me,I know how long of a drive it is and the distance involved

    • ladybug

      AND WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

    • ladybug

      AND WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

  • Ulfric Thorsson

    Ft Hood is located in Killeen,TX. A good 3-4 hour drive from DFW. Even by Texas standards,they are NOT right next to each other. I used to live in Copperas Cove,TX (a little piss ant town next to Hood and Killeen. Full of churches and in a dry county. Stupid ass Christian scum).
    My National Guard unit was in Killeen and I was going to school in Dallas,so trust me,I know how long of a drive it is and the distance involved

  • Ulfric Thorsson

    Ft Hood is located in Killeen,TX. A good 3-4 hour drive from DFW. Even by Texas standards,they are NOT right next to each other. I used to live in Copperas Cove,TX (a little piss ant town next to Hood and Killeen. Full of churches and in a dry county. Stupid ass Christian scum).
    My National Guard unit was in Killeen and I was going to school in Dallas,so trust me,I know how long of a drive it is and the distance involved

  • sweetone2

    He visited Indonesia quite frequently.. Indonesia is the most populous place for muslims in the world! He might have professed BUDAH. but dear friends his actions were more along the islamic or muslim realm of belief. He killed randomly ..as the Quran says. kill the infidles in their dwelling places!” He also disliked ”orders”. let’s hope this admin. does not try to spin this story to their advantage..knowing Americans are fed up with Muslims who come here and bring their religion of death and martydom with them!

    • ARMAND PROULX DISABLED WW2 VET

      why do you all suppose so many muslims are coming to the united states either through mexico or obam. I would like to believe all of these multiple shootings are connected to the muslim factor. Obama stated in the past this is a muslim country. It isnt there yet but given a little more time and it will be. We are sure blind to boehner the enabler helping obama get his policies through congress. Yet we do nothing we sure are complaisant.

      • sweetone2

        You make a strong point my friend. As long as we have a ”ROGUE” president in our White House… we shall reap… what we sew..I’m afraid. I fear that the United States cannot afford 3l/2 more years of this ” fraud!”

      • sweetone2

        You make a strong point my friend. As long as we have a ”ROGUE” president in our White House… we shall reap… what we sew..I’m afraid. I fear that the United States cannot afford 3l/2 more years of this ” fraud!”

      • sweetone2

        You make a strong point my friend. As long as we have a ”ROGUE” president in our White House… we shall reap… what we sew..I’m afraid. I fear that the United States cannot afford 3l/2 more years of this ” fraud!”

  • Chet

    This is all George Bush’s fault. Obama is still blaming everything on Bush.

  • tsj710104

    I seriously doubt any of this is just a coincidence. I used to believe in coincidences, but not anymore.

  • victorbarney

    Not to mention that our CIA also wants a Marxist New World Order too, don’t they?

  • whipumass

    ULFth, you are a piece of evil sh..
    You will probably be the next shooter.

  • altweasel

    I work in Arlington. Am I in any kind of immediate danger?

  • altweasel

    I work in Arlington. Am I in any kind of immediate danger?

  • altweasel

    I work in Arlington. Am I in any kind of immediate danger?

  • Maya

    He was originally from New York, not Texas, he lived in Texas for a short time. I really wish people would get it right.

    • ladybug

      The quote, WHAT DOES IT MATTER? He killed people, very sure he had help. And you can pretty well guess who was behind this all! ITS get whitey time, whittle away as fast as you can. But look who is color blind??????

  • Maya

    He was originally from New York, not Texas, he lived in Texas for a short time. I really wish people would get it right.

  • jeff

    Fort Hood isn’t just outside of DFW area. Sorry. Texas is much bigger than you apparently realize.

  • UnCL3

    dude looks like he came from the same hut as OLoser

    • ThomPaineJr12

      They all look alike to racist a-h0le idiots.

      • UnCL3

        you again…drop dead

      • UnCL3

        you again…drop dead

  • Torch Onepercenter

    SADLY I don’t believe ANYTHING that our government & government controlled media tells me any more! THIS is probably another inside job like the Boston bombing and other mass murders that have been going on. ONCE again there are too many questions (for me) surrounding this situation that JUST DON’T MAKE SENSE & like someone else on here stated this is probably another “attempt” at getting people to “go along with” banning guns. HOWEVER my understanding is that he got the AR from someone he shot, (military or law enforcement) so does that mean military & law enforcement should not have assault rifles too? In my opinion law enforcement should NOT have automatic rifles (look at the NC shooting, even tho it was not an assault rifle) BUT that just goes to show that you can put just as many holes in someone with a handgun as you can with an AR.

  • Texas Patriot

    Early in the article, you state that Fort Hood is just outside the greater Dallas/Fort Worth area. It is actually about 150 miles outside of D/FW area. In reality, Fort Hood is about that same distance from San Antonio, Texas and it is only about half that far from Austin, Texas. So, you could have used a little better city for a reference point. Just sayin’ . . . .

  • Texas Patriot

    Early in the article, you state that Fort Hood is just outside the greater Dallas/Fort Worth area. It is actually about 150 miles outside of D/FW area. In reality, Fort Hood is about that same distance from San Antonio, Texas and it is only about half that far from Austin, Texas. So, you could have used a little better city for a reference point. Just sayin’ . . . .

  • Frank W Brown

    And a “false flag” maybe??? obummer will be on this like white on rice looking to go after our guns AGAIN!

  • Frank W Brown

    And a “false flag” maybe??? obummer will be on this like white on rice looking to go after our guns AGAIN!

  • Frank W Brown

    And a “false flag” maybe??? obummer will be on this like white on rice looking to go after our guns AGAIN!

  • David A

    Sounds like another government staged (supposed random ) shooting, !

  • David A

    Sounds like another government staged (supposed random ) shooting, !

  • Dirty Daug

    More than likely the shooter was a Muslim. That’s the way these Muslims are, they care nothing about their lives or the lives of other people its all about making America a Muslim nation. He was just another Muslim helping Obama out in making America a Muslim country. It’s no telling how many of these crazies Obama has out their working for his agenda.

  • TPS12

    Here’s a guy who had two gun related crimes in the past that twice no one prosecuted him for. First question is why? We don’t need more new laws we just need to enforce the ones we have.

    • chamuiel

      Because he was a whacko. They don’t prosecute whackos. Normally, they put them in the Hospital for 2-3 days, if they have insurance.

    • chamuiel

      Because he was a whacko. They don’t prosecute whackos. Normally, they put them in the Hospital for 2-3 days, if they have insurance.

  • TPS12

    Here’s a guy who had two gun related crimes in the past that twice no one prosecuted him for. First question is why? We don’t need more new laws we just need to enforce the ones we have.

  • UnCL3

    I wonder if he voted for Hope and Change…twice…

  • UnCL3

    I wonder if he voted for Hope and Change…twice…

  • David

    Well … Obama has been needing another “Mass Shooting” to Kick-Start his Gun-Control-Agenda … guess it’s time for Obama, Biden, Feinstein, Bloomberg and the rest of the Gun-Control-Fanatics to go Ape-S**t again and try to take Guns away from Law Abiding American Citizens.

  • David

    Well … Obama has been needing another “Mass Shooting” to Kick-Start his Gun-Control-Agenda … guess it’s time for Obama, Biden, Feinstein, Bloomberg and the rest of the Gun-Control-Fanatics to go Ape-S**t again and try to take Guns away from Law Abiding American Citizens.

  • Azsteve53

    If the shooter had been white and a Republican, the DC crowd would be foaming at the mouth

  • laura91

    not weird at all. I also noticed something phony about all of this. I saw an interview of a woman on cnn about the shooter. I recognized her face from a utube video I saw over a year ago. they are one and the same proving she is an actor for spreading their lies and propaganda.

    this is the utube video, the date says aug 2013, but that is a lie, I saw it over a year ago .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8B-Q9IDPz8

    this is the video of her on cnn this morning….http://portal.wowway.net/tv/3/player/vendor/CNN/player/cnn/asset/cnn-friend_shooter_was_polite_friendly-cnn/source/Clips

    and here she is again on cnn supposedly the same day but wearing something different ………….http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/09/17/ac-navy-yard-shooting-kristi-suthamtewakul-interview.cnn-ap.html

    Also on a different note, this article was found yesterday saying flights had been canceled due to shooting, but it should have read only a few hours ago, not a day ago. …… https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1416543021893305&set=a.1392484957632445.1073741838.100006128618451&type=1&theater

    • Ron Gilbert

      One really has to wonder as we continue to see these things happening in gun free zones done by people with mental pasts. How easy the powers that be will used these things to convince the lemmings that gun control is necessary to keep them safe. Incidents like this give validation to something more sinister to their agendas. If this is another false flag operation, I would not be surprised one single bit. I will reserve judgement on that until I see more evidence but I aslo do not believe in coincidences. It had been reported that several key government officials had been hinting at an attack in the DC area on a military installation. Was this what they were talking about? Did they know more than what they led on?

    • Ron Gilbert

      One really has to wonder as we continue to see these things happening in gun free zones done by people with mental pasts. How easy the powers that be will used these things to convince the lemmings that gun control is necessary to keep them safe. Incidents like this give validation to something more sinister to their agendas. If this is another false flag operation, I would not be surprised one single bit. I will reserve judgement on that until I see more evidence but I aslo do not believe in coincidences. It had been reported that several key government officials had been hinting at an attack in the DC area on a military installation. Was this what they were talking about? Did they know more than what they led on?

      • laura91

        I also do not believe in coincidence, I think this is a last ditch effort to try and take our second amendment rights away. I also think that all the meals, water and armed foreign military going to FEMA 3 are for protection of Washington from us. it seems to me that these supplies are not meant for the protection of the people but supplies for the military here on American soil illegally.

        • Ron Gilbert

          Laura, apparently you have been paying attention as well. I was once asleep until Newtown/Sandy Hook. As a former Marine I was outraged when 9/11 took place and wanted retribution for those attacks. Anyone saying that it was an inside job (Alex Jones and many of his listeners) were viewed by me as lunatics. That was until Sandy Hook. I immediately saw the contradictions through out that whole sham, from the chem trails being sprayed over the area a few hours prior to the incident, crisis actors already on scene, and FEMA running yet another “drill” just down the road (to which our media has posted photo after photo of the drill going on but said that it was from Sandy Hook). After that I woke up and investigated 9/11 myself and started to cry when I realized that our own government killed our citizens for their agenda of globalization and enslavement of this nation. I hope this is an isolated incident but would not doubt that it is not.

        • Ron Gilbert

          Laura, apparently you have been paying attention as well. I was once asleep until Newtown/Sandy Hook. As a former Marine I was outraged when 9/11 took place and wanted retribution for those attacks. Anyone saying that it was an inside job (Alex Jones and many of his listeners) were viewed by me as lunatics. That was until Sandy Hook. I immediately saw the contradictions through out that whole sham, from the chem trails being sprayed over the area a few hours prior to the incident, crisis actors already on scene, and FEMA running yet another “drill” just down the road (to which our media has posted photo after photo of the drill going on but said that it was from Sandy Hook). After that I woke up and investigated 9/11 myself and started to cry when I realized that our own government killed our citizens for their agenda of globalization and enslavement of this nation. I hope this is an isolated incident but would not doubt that it is not.

    • Ron Gilbert

      One really has to wonder as we continue to see these things happening in gun free zones done by people with mental pasts. How easy the powers that be will used these things to convince the lemmings that gun control is necessary to keep them safe. Incidents like this give validation to something more sinister to their agendas. If this is another false flag operation, I would not be surprised one single bit. I will reserve judgement on that until I see more evidence but I aslo do not believe in coincidences. It had been reported that several key government officials had been hinting at an attack in the DC area on a military installation. Was this what they were talking about? Did they know more than what they led on?

    • PrayforthepeaceofJerusalem

      THAT IS NOT THE SAME WOMAN. THE VOICES ARE DIFFERENT, THE HAIR , THE EYES. NOT THE SAME.

  • LK

    Strange Coincidences Involved In Navy Yard And Fort Hood Massacres
    The obama progressive communist party mohammedan’s have compromised every level of are governability. They must be removed from all levels of our system starting with attorney general Eric Holder, DHS , This is an astounding situation. I believe that literally millions of our people do not like the system and deeply fear it for the future. Is there a valid alternative for them ? I believe there is by reducing and finally eliminating all their undue interference. We do not have to wait for reconversion or demobilization to be completed. The people must act, the alternative is unacceptable. Repent! Jesus Christ Saves!

  • pappap42

    The big thing that is the same is both were gun “FREE” zones.

  • gundog9mm

    Reports state the shooter’s main gun was Crazy Joe Biden’s favorite, a shotgun. We should charge Crazy Joe with conspiracy since he recommended shotguns instead of the dreaded “assault rifle”

    • krptnyt

      The American public doesn’t have Assault Rifles. They are semi automatic rifles.

    • krptnyt

      The American public doesn’t have Assault Rifles. They are semi automatic rifles.

  • gundog9mm

    Reports state the shooter’s main gun was Crazy Joe Biden’s favorite, a shotgun. We should charge Crazy Joe with conspiracy since he recommended shotguns instead of the dreaded “assault rifle”

  • gundog9mm

    Reports state the shooter’s main gun was Crazy Joe Biden’s favorite, a shotgun. We should charge Crazy Joe with conspiracy since he recommended shotguns instead of the dreaded “assault rifle”

  • Nameless App 1989

    Government IS always suspect number 1. With all the ruckus over Syria last week, am I the only one here who thinks this is a diversion?

  • Nameless App 1989

    Government IS always suspect number 1. With all the ruckus over Syria last week, am I the only one here who thinks this is a diversion?

  • Nameless App 1989

    Government IS always suspect number 1. With all the ruckus over Syria last week, am I the only one here who thinks this is a diversion?

  • john

    ….now, please don’t curse me above all beast of the field, but:…..turn on WEIRD MODE…….have you noticed that when ovomit is struggling with his adgend, and just can’t accomplish it……sometime all ways happens to help him (he thinks) with it? oil leak…..accident…(hates oil)…gun control…(loves it), fort hood, colorado, ma., etc…..just look at his past….anything he wants to do, there is always, something to “help” him out?……since i have ABSOLUTELY N O TRUST IN THIS SCUM…..its hard for me to believe. ACCIDENTS to help his sorry ass adgenda!!! MY OPINION!!

  • john

    ….now, please don’t curse me above all beast of the field, but:…..turn on WEIRD MODE…….have you noticed that when ovomit is struggling with his adgend, and just can’t accomplish it……sometime all ways happens to help him (he thinks) with it? oil leak…..accident…(hates oil)…gun control…(loves it), fort hood, colorado, ma., etc…..just look at his past….anything he wants to do, there is always, something to “help” him out?……since i have ABSOLUTELY N O TRUST IN THIS SCUM…..its hard for me to believe. ACCIDENTS to help his sorry ass adgenda!!! MY OPINION!!

  • old_salty_dawg99

    I only know that he had to have help to get his gun past those charged with Security on the base since he had to get his gun past the gate ad the building Security forces. So he did not act alone but did he have help shooting people is still up for debate. I also know that whatever his reason for shooting people he will pay for all eternity and there are no virgins awaiting anyone. There is however a HELL for those reject CHRIST and his GIFT of GRACE(unmerited favor). This I do know and this man did an EVILE VILE thing and it was not the Guns FAULT even though some LIBERAL IGNORANCE SPEWING MORONB will say it was the gun’s fault. So no matter the reason no matter the cause we can know this it was the person and nothing else.

    • Jacobb Chapman

      Well, from what I have gathered so far, he had a valid I.D. so that’s why they didn’t check him for weapons.

    • Jacobb Chapman

      Well, from what I have gathered so far, he had a valid I.D. so that’s why they didn’t check him for weapons.

    • Davis

      Hey the dude was black , maybe he got a “free pass” in with only his ID. You know we can’t be accused of any racial profiling these days.

  • Jacobb Chapman

    After a tragic mass shooting, the Liberals always try to find a way to take away guns from the people who didn’t do it.

  • Jacobb Chapman

    After a tragic mass shooting, the Liberals always try to find a way to take away guns from the people who didn’t do it.

  • USCBIKER

    Yet another case to prove Ed Snowden right. How did this scum get weapons (legally?) if he had 3 gun related incidents, 2 with arrests? Neither gun laws nor NSA prevented this. Hey, let’s close down all Buddhist temples and put out an APB on Richard Gere.

  • Al

    A few observations on this. I just heard this guy had an honorable discharge from the navy. Also he did convert to Buddhism recently. He bought the gun legally so there was a background check which means his mental issues were not picked up. We need to keep guns out of the hands of people with mental disorders. How do we do this without forcing doctors to violate patient doctor bond? Also his security clearance was re-approved. If they are doing the proper checks on him he should not have had his clearance renewed. Sloppy handling all around.

  • Al

    A few observations on this. I just heard this guy had an honorable discharge from the navy. Also he did convert to Buddhism recently. He bought the gun legally so there was a background check which means his mental issues were not picked up. We need to keep guns out of the hands of people with mental disorders. How do we do this without forcing doctors to violate patient doctor bond? Also his security clearance was re-approved. If they are doing the proper checks on him he should not have had his clearance renewed. Sloppy handling all around.

  • Jacobb Chapman

    I truly believe the Liberals are behind this shooting so they can convince Americans to support gun control. I’m not saying the shooting never happened, but the fact that President Obama IMMEDIATELY made a speech about gun control right after the shooting makes me believe our Dictator is responsible.

  • DouglasDauntless

    What is this? Another set up by Obama to grab our guns. E#very six months there is a shooting in a Gun free killing zone. Obama felt so bad about the killings he went to his party, which cost we the tax payers at least 50 million dollars, and danced and sang all night and had a great time. The King and Queen of the United States don’t give two cents how many people die in this country, they are both cold blooded killers with no feelings for anything but themselves.
    Things are tight at this Naval site, how did the guy get in with a Ar15, or a pistol. Lies, lies and more lies, by the Obama Government to take away our guns. I don’t care if the Police and the Federal police say there wad an AR15, I didn’t see it and why should we take their word for it because they all lie for Obama and Feinstein, who carries a 38, and her guards carry automatic pistols to protect her not us. Another set up by the Government who found this crazy Black killer. Who knows if our Government didn’t plant a gun for him to kill these people.

  • DouglasDauntless

    What is this? Another set up by Obama to grab our guns. E#very six months there is a shooting in a Gun free killing zone. Obama felt so bad about the killings he went to his party, which cost we the tax payers at least 50 million dollars, and danced and sang all night and had a great time. The King and Queen of the United States don’t give two cents how many people die in this country, they are both cold blooded killers with no feelings for anything but themselves.
    Things are tight at this Naval site, how did the guy get in with a Ar15, or a pistol. Lies, lies and more lies, by the Obama Government to take away our guns. I don’t care if the Police and the Federal police say there wad an AR15, I didn’t see it and why should we take their word for it because they all lie for Obama and Feinstein, who carries a 38, and her guards carry automatic pistols to protect her not us. Another set up by the Government who found this crazy Black killer. Who knows if our Government didn’t plant a gun for him to kill these people.

  • Scott D Bighorse

    This idiot is not from Texas, was stationed here. Second Ft Hood is not “just outside” of D/FW. Please get the facts better next time.

  • Chuck

    Don’t be surprised if the REAL common link between Major Hassan and Aaron Alexis turns out to be PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS and in Alexis’ case an irresponsible purveyor of same (in Hassan’s case he was “qualified” to write his own prescriptions).

    • 2EdgedSword

      True Chuck. Many of us know that Timothy McVeigh, and the Colorado Theater shooter were involved in the official government mind control programs. These programs produce assets trained to respond to a code word or phrase that sets them off to perform a programed behavior too unnatural to be performed by a person with conscience in place.

    • 2EdgedSword

      True Chuck. Many of us know that Timothy McVeigh, and the Colorado Theater shooter were involved in the official government mind control programs. These programs produce assets trained to respond to a code word or phrase that sets them off to perform a programed behavior too unnatural to be performed by a person with conscience in place.

  • Chuck

    Don’t be surprised if the REAL common link between Major Hassan and Aaron Alexis turns out to be PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS and in Alexis’ case an irresponsible purveyor of same (in Hassan’s case he was “qualified” to write his own prescriptions).

  • Winston

    It should be clear by now that this nation’s government is either brain dead or has no concept of how to protect its innocent citizens. Nor are they astute in workplace security (or any other place) as that of the Israeli government. Or, is the government complicit in these terrorist actions as a “distraction” away from larger issues: government gunrunning schemes, Benghazi, gunrunning to Syrian rebels, gunrunning to Eqyptian rebels. And just who are these rebels? They are: Muslim Brotherhoon, factions of al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc., all brothers of Barack Obama.

  • Winston

    It should be clear by now that this nation’s government is either brain dead or has no concept of how to protect its innocent citizens. Nor are they astute in workplace security (or any other place) as that of the Israeli government. Or, is the government complicit in these terrorist actions as a “distraction” away from larger issues: government gunrunning schemes, Benghazi, gunrunning to Syrian rebels, gunrunning to Eqyptian rebels. And just who are these rebels? They are: Muslim Brotherhoon, factions of al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc., all brothers of Barack Obama.

  • Jay Star

    Gun Free Zone people, yet didn’t stop this man from shooting these people did it? Seems also we cant have a tragedy like this without CIC barking about gun control even with this gun free zone in his own backyard that did not work! Not to mention our unarmed military being left wide open for this kind of agenda. Find out what was this mans problem and work on that! If this happens to the unarmed military, just think what it could do and has been done to the citizens of this country!

    • karacek

      GUN FREE ZONES make people sitting ducks! Do away with them and everyone should carry. Bet the crime rate drops dramatically.
      What if ALL AMERICANS do what the Constitution tells us to do in the light of a runaway government that is tyrannical? It is our “DUTY” to throw off such government…so, WHEN ARE WE THE PEOPLE GOING TO GET GOING ON TAKING BACK OUR REPUBLIC????????????

  • petsnpeopletoo

    Impeach the Imposter President. He is a proven Illegal Alien. Start ridding America of all the terrorists that Bush, Clinton & Obomber have BROUGHT (NOT LET) into this country purposely to kill our own AMERICAN people & rid ourselves of everyone in congress who have changed over to the terrorist side or just wanting to crush our constitution for the heck of it…..WE NEED TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS CORRUPTION NOW AMERICA…..IF IT IS NOT ALREADY TOO LATE……

    This is showing to be a Dictatorship in progress for NOW…Then the main course….COMMUNISTS…….So much for our Free America……..KAAAA-SPLOT!!!!
    Kennedy tried to stop these maniacs pulling the governments strings & got killed doing it.
    Just because people are to blind, dumb to lead or just plain pussy cats…….
    Obviously they weren’t stopped & have grown ENORMOUSLY over the years! Can they take on millions at once AMERICA?
    We NEED AN ARMY like the BIKERS OF AMERICA to go confront these Government STRING PULLERS….STRIP them of EVERYTHING & GIVE IT BACK to the PEOPLE they took it from….CHARGE THEM WITH CRIMES BEYOND YOUR IMAGINATION & PUT THEM AWAY TO ROTT WHERE THEY BELONG……

    WE NEED THE ABLE BODIED MEN IN THIS COUNTRY TO GET OFF THEIR DIAPERED BUTTS, PUT ON YOUR MAN PANTS AND GO TO WASHINGTON & FIX IT….PROTECT THEIR FAMILIES….FORGET FOOTBALL & REMEMBER WHAT IS IMPORTANT….WHAT GIVES YOU THE FREEDOM TO WATCH FOOTBALL? KEEP SITTING ON YOUR BUTTS AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE TAKING THAT AWAY FROM YOU TOO!!!!
    MEN ARE SUPPOSE TO BE OUR PROTECTORS!
    Remember Rosie the Rivetor? We have alot of rivetors willing to start!!!!
    PLEASE WAKE AMERICA UP DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN I PRAY…..Amen

  • Irma

    And the obvious that remains “unmentionable” – Nidal Hasan, John Mohammed and Lee Boyd Malvo, and Aaron Alexis happen to be black. Just imagine what the news would be spewing if these guys had all been white! The main stream media are turning themselves inside out trying to come up with excuses for these murderers but only because they are black.

  • petsnpeopletoo

    While we’re at trying to wake people up. HARP really sucked the life out of Colorado. Think about that while remembering how upset Obomber is at them for ousting the dems……
    Just sayin….
    It also, could be, them wanting more space to expand their underground city for the elite under the New World Airport in Denver….Take for example the sink holes we are seeing around the country…Just happens more underground cities for the elite with our money of course……What are they planning against the people is the question?

  • petsnpeopletoo

    While we’re at trying to wake people up. HARP really sucked the life out of Colorado. Think about that while remembering how upset Obomber is at them for ousting the dems……
    Just sayin….
    It also, could be, them wanting more space to expand their underground city for the elite under the New World Airport in Denver….Take for example the sink holes we are seeing around the country…Just happens more underground cities for the elite with our money of course……What are they planning against the people is the question?

  • petsnpeopletoo

    While we’re at trying to wake people up. HARP really sucked the life out of Colorado. Think about that while remembering how upset Obomber is at them for ousting the dems……
    Just sayin….
    It also, could be, them wanting more space to expand their underground city for the elite under the New World Airport in Denver….Take for example the sink holes we are seeing around the country…Just happens more underground cities for the elite with our money of course……What are they planning against the people is the question?

  • Jim Miller

    Fort Hood is definitely NOT in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. It is south of Waco and west of Temple, Texas, approximately 110 miles south of the DFW area. The news now is that the shooter was Buddhist, not Muslim, and again, had serious mental problems. I don’t think his race, ethnicity, religion or location (Ft. Worth) prior to the shooting had any relevance to the Ft. Hood shooting or the “coincidences” mentioned in this article. This was a sick SOB who never should have been able to geet a gun, much less get it on a naval base, get out of his car, shoot a security guard and then go on a shooting rampage in a “gun free” zone (read victims a-plenty zone). This was a failure on many, many levels including the mental health system, military screening of personnel and contract workers, security at the naval base and the existence of gun free zones.

    • winki

      Thank you, Jim. I live close to Ft. Worth and I knew Ft. Hood was not in the D/FW area. I actually thougth it was closer to SA until I looked at a map. Thanks for pointing that out.
      You have to wonder how he got a gun into the facility. OR how he got clearance to work there to begin with. What’s the point of securtiy guards if anyone can drive in with anything they want in their cars?

  • Jim Miller

    Fort Hood is definitely NOT in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. It is south of Waco and west of Temple, Texas, approximately 110 miles south of the DFW area. The news now is that the shooter was Buddhist, not Muslim, and again, had serious mental problems. I don’t think his race, ethnicity, religion or location (Ft. Worth) prior to the shooting had any relevance to the Ft. Hood shooting or the “coincidences” mentioned in this article. This was a sick SOB who never should have been able to geet a gun, much less get it on a naval base, get out of his car, shoot a security guard and then go on a shooting rampage in a “gun free” zone (read victims a-plenty zone). This was a failure on many, many levels including the mental health system, military screening of personnel and contract workers, security at the naval base and the existence of gun free zones.

  • disqus_Ed8LYkU7q2

    The Continuing Saga on the communists to help destroy the Second Amendment and all the rest of the CONSTITUTION and the islamics to murder Americans under the cover of “Just Work Place Violence” or “Just Mass Murder”. Don’t look or see or know anything else. All PLANNED and BROUGHT ON by THE ISLAMIC COMMUNIST PUPPET REGIME, just another of their communist steps of planning to destroy Americans and WE THE PEOPLE.

  • disqus_Ed8LYkU7q2

    WE THE PEOPLE.

  • jzandensky

    Its weird alright; mighty fine distraction.
    The “children”didn’t tug the heart strings enough, so .. This time it’s the “armed services personnel”?
    It couldn’t (possibly) have any..thing.. to do with 9/11…

  • darkcyder

    WHAT A MORON. The guy was from New York, not Texas. He spent a couple of years in Texas. More time in New York, and evidently, Oregon. Hey- I just dropped a pack of toothpicks, and thirteen of them broke. WOW- that seems too coincidental not to mention it. Thirtenn dead toothpicks while reading this article. And the toothpicks- they were made in Oregon. AND gues what color the broken toothpicks were??? NAVY BLUE! Ok- now this is getting scary. HAH!

  • darkcyder

    WHAT A MORON. The guy was from New York, not Texas. He spent a couple of years in Texas. More time in New York, and evidently, Oregon. Hey- I just dropped a pack of toothpicks, and thirteen of them broke. WOW- that seems too coincidental not to mention it. Thirtenn dead toothpicks while reading this article. And the toothpicks- they were made in Oregon. AND gues what color the broken toothpicks were??? NAVY BLUE! Ok- now this is getting scary. HAH!

  • darkcyder

    WHAT A MORON. The guy was from New York, not Texas. He spent a couple of years in Texas. More time in New York, and evidently, Oregon. Hey- I just dropped a pack of toothpicks, and thirteen of them broke. WOW- that seems too coincidental not to mention it. Thirtenn dead toothpicks while reading this article. And the toothpicks- they were made in Oregon. AND gues what color the broken toothpicks were??? NAVY BLUE! Ok- now this is getting scary. HAH!

  • LittleMoose

    Your mistake in writing your report is that you used the information provided by the lame stream media. You should know better!

  • LittleMoose

    Your mistake in writing your report is that you used the information provided by the lame stream media. You should know better!

  • Bill Hobbs

    Still laughing at the contention in this absurd story that Fort Hood is “just outside” the Dallas-Fort Worth metro area. Fort Hood isn’t even part of the region known as “North Texas,” which includes a huge swath of mostly rural counties surrounding DFW. NorTex is considered to stop at Waco, which is well north of Fort Hood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Texas At some point the author of this story is going to either acknowledge his error or lose all credibility.

  • MSandlin

    Get you facts straight, Mister. Fort Hood is over a 100 miles from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area and the Naval Yard shooter was from New York and had lived in White Settlement, TX for a time.
    Mr. Giles, this is a very poor article. I am as conservastive as you will find but I despise lies and this article is full of lies. I am very surprised you would push this POS article.
    God Blew America, Again.

  • Hawkeye72

    No one knows what this idiot was all about and you will never get the truth from Obama and his minions or Obama’s lame stream media. I know I’m not buying this Buddhist crap.

  • jetbiker52

    I thought of these “coincidences” and wonder how “planned” these massacres are? What research has been done to identify the political controversies that surround this President at the time of these shooting and other events? From Ft. Hood, to Colorado, to Boston, to Washington DC, etc? Are these mere distractions or the ongoing “one world” agenda that is eliminating our freedoms?

  • Hawkeye72

    We already know Obama termed the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood, “work place violence”
    and now he’s blamed this shooting on “sequestering” so how can anybody possibly believe a word out of his lying mouth.

    • celticwaryor

      Simply put…you can’t!!!

    • celticwaryor

      Simply put…you can’t!!!

    • celticwaryor

      Simply put…you can’t!!!

    • jaybird

      They mayor of DC said “sequestering” probably caused it. It really doesn’t matter because it was a stupid remark.

  • Hawkeye72

    We already know Obama termed the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood, “work place violence”
    and now he’s blamed this shooting on “sequestering” so how can anybody possibly believe a word out of his lying mouth.

  • Hawkeye72

    We already know Obama termed the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood, “work place violence”
    and now he’s blamed this shooting on “sequestering” so how can anybody possibly believe a word out of his lying mouth.

  • foxxybey

    What ever he was? He was sent by satan to help his clown obozo become leader of a one world government, so have to disarm any who would fight that idea. Some on the internet say he was a Buddist and that religion is run by satan also, so as long as he does satans will, he is a terrorist period. This country was founded on the Bible and for believers only. One of the founders said this Constitution was for people who believed and not good for those who aren’t believers, sounds like common sense to me. He does look like a older Trayvon but, both were thugs and glad they got what they wanted in the end, to be with allah in the lake of fire.

  • foxxybey

    What ever he was? He was sent by satan to help his clown obozo become leader of a one world government, so have to disarm any who would fight that idea. Some on the internet say he was a Buddist and that religion is run by satan also, so as long as he does satans will, he is a terrorist period. This country was founded on the Bible and for believers only. One of the founders said this Constitution was for people who believed and not good for those who aren’t believers, sounds like common sense to me. He does look like a older Trayvon but, both were thugs and glad they got what they wanted in the end, to be with allah in the lake of fire.

  • John Hand

    My sympathy to the family of the guard that was killed, but I sure would like to know how the shooter managed to get him first and then take his pistol. The shooter at first had the advantage of surprise, but after that any defender would have the advantage.

    • jaybird

      Someone was 70 yrs old, was that the guard?

  • John Hand

    My sympathy to the family of the guard that was killed, but I sure would like to know how the shooter managed to get him first and then take his pistol. The shooter at first had the advantage of surprise, but after that any defender would have the advantage.

  • Montesquieu

    There’s no material difference between today’s liberals and their socialist, marxist, and communist ancestors.

  • madmemere

    And thanks to the “clintonista dual presidency”, military installation, such as this one and Fort Hood, ARE “gun free zones”!! Therefore, all personnel, in those facilities ARE “sitting ducks”. Someone, please, WAKE THE HELL UP!

  • madmemere

    And thanks to the “clintonista dual presidency”, military installation, such as this one and Fort Hood, ARE “gun free zones”!! Therefore, all personnel, in those facilities ARE “sitting ducks”. Someone, please, WAKE THE HELL UP!

  • dhwilson58

    I said it before and I’ll say it again…. What makes people so sure that Obama and his IRS, and other federal Thugs isn’t responsible for this and maybe the other shootins? This is the exact kind of tactics Obama use’s to rape this Country. He can’t take our guns away legally so he’ll try and take them illegally as he has shown in the past. There’s not enough room on here to go into details but I’ve seen video of sandy hill filling in all the unanswered holes pointing the finger

  • dhwilson58

    I said it before and I’ll say it again…. What makes people so sure that Obama and his IRS, and other federal Thugs isn’t responsible for this and maybe the other shootins? This is the exact kind of tactics Obama use’s to rape this Country. He can’t take our guns away legally so he’ll try and take them illegally as he has shown in the past. There’s not enough room on here to go into details but I’ve seen video of sandy hill filling in all the unanswered holes pointing the finger

  • PCLEMSC

    It isn’t politically correct to identify the shooter as Black, or as Muslim, or as a terrorist. Not even as mentally ill. All that’s left for the lefties is to blame the gun.

  • MN_in_CA

    with the amount of tech that the government is capable of using on people. We need to spend some time determining if the guy was influenced by strange noises.

    This would not be hard to accomplish with the right equipment, you can create a speaker out of nearly any material.

    FACTOID: In the Cold War the US Embassy in Moscow was bugged by a sculpture of an eagle. The sculpture had a tuned metal piece that was mounted to the building steel structure. Allowing the sound of any conversation in the room to be transmitted to a microphone attached to the building steel.

    Nowadays, we could use any sort of beamed energy to impart voices to any flat surface. Imagine the ability to give drugs to people (through a government program – in this case the VA) and adjust their reality without them knowing it was being done.
    Sounds like an elegant brainwashing method – you don’t even know it is happening.

    Just like the small movements from a freedom loving society to one where we have given the elitist group more power and permission to control us.

    • jaybird

      The strange noise was DHS, FBI, CIA

    • jaybird

      The strange noise was DHS, FBI, CIA

  • MN_in_CA

    with the amount of tech that the government is capable of using on people. We need to spend some time determining if the guy was influenced by strange noises.

    This would not be hard to accomplish with the right equipment, you can create a speaker out of nearly any material.

    FACTOID: In the Cold War the US Embassy in Moscow was bugged by a sculpture of an eagle. The sculpture had a tuned metal piece that was mounted to the building steel structure. Allowing the sound of any conversation in the room to be transmitted to a microphone attached to the building steel.

    Nowadays, we could use any sort of beamed energy to impart voices to any flat surface. Imagine the ability to give drugs to people (through a government program – in this case the VA) and adjust their reality without them knowing it was being done.
    Sounds like an elegant brainwashing method – you don’t even know it is happening.

    Just like the small movements from a freedom loving society to one where we have given the elitist group more power and permission to control us.

  • MN_in_CA

    with the amount of tech that the government is capable of using on people. We need to spend some time determining if the guy was influenced by strange noises.

    This would not be hard to accomplish with the right equipment, you can create a speaker out of nearly any material.

    FACTOID: In the Cold War the US Embassy in Moscow was bugged by a sculpture of an eagle. The sculpture had a tuned metal piece that was mounted to the building steel structure. Allowing the sound of any conversation in the room to be transmitted to a microphone attached to the building steel.

    Nowadays, we could use any sort of beamed energy to impart voices to any flat surface. Imagine the ability to give drugs to people (through a government program – in this case the VA) and adjust their reality without them knowing it was being done.
    Sounds like an elegant brainwashing method – you don’t even know it is happening.

    Just like the small movements from a freedom loving society to one where we have given the elitist group more power and permission to control us.

  • coldad

    It is amazing that both the DC and Ft Hood shooters were given above the norm efficiency remarks. The Peter Principle is still alive and well in the DOD.

  • coldad

    It is amazing that both the DC and Ft Hood shooters were given above the norm efficiency remarks. The Peter Principle is still alive and well in the DOD.

  • coldad

    It is amazing that both the DC and Ft Hood shooters were given above the norm efficiency remarks. The Peter Principle is still alive and well in the DOD.

  • Hawkeye72

    Whatever else that may be uncovered about this lunatic two facts are indisputable. He was a liberal Obama follower and he was a terrorist by any definition of the word. The liberals so wish this had been a white far-right-winger from Texas but he’s theirs whether they want him or not.

  • Hawkeye72

    Whatever else that may be uncovered about this lunatic two facts are indisputable. He was a liberal Obama follower and he was a terrorist by any definition of the word. The liberals so wish this had been a white far-right-winger from Texas but he’s theirs whether they want him or not.

  • Hawkeye72

    Whatever else that may be uncovered about this lunatic two facts are indisputable. He was a liberal Obama follower and he was a terrorist by any definition of the word. The liberals so wish this had been a white far-right-winger from Texas but he’s theirs whether they want him or not.

  • Mark Smith USArmy

    Funny thing about coincidences; I do not believe in them. Strangely, it seems that whenever the push for ‘common sense gun-control measures’ (people control) has met the iron will of the American people who wish to be free, yet another shooting happens. A ‘mentally unstable’ person kills many people, the ‘grabbers’ start yelling about how their stance is proven, and is the right way to stop ‘gun violence’. It’s an old tried and successful plan:cause a problem, claim to be the only ones who can fix it, and then grab power. The power to be your master, that is. Do as we say, and nobody gets hurt!

  • sweetone2

    Alexis has almost a stare..as if programed…strange….people with his mentality are easily hyptnotized and can very well fall into ”absent” state..as ”lights on but nobody’s home…..and the power of ”suggestion” ..guess I can’t let go of ”MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE ..Frank Sinatra..certain words SET HIM INTO ACTION…

  • sweetone2

    Alexis has almost a stare..as if programed…strange….people with his mentality are easily hyptnotized and can very well fall into ”absent” state..as ”lights on but nobody’s home…..and the power of ”suggestion” ..guess I can’t let go of ”MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE ..Frank Sinatra..certain words SET HIM INTO ACTION…

  • sweetone2

    Alexis has almost a stare..as if programed…strange….people with his mentality are easily hyptnotized and can very well fall into ”absent” state..as ”lights on but nobody’s home…..and the power of ”suggestion” ..guess I can’t let go of ”MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE ..Frank Sinatra..certain words SET HIM INTO ACTION…

  • sweetone2

    Sorry but am I the only one that noticed this man’s strange errie look .. almost would suggest programmed…If he was psychotic like many have suggested.. hey.. it would be easy for someone perhaps like the Psychotic Psychologist at (Muslim) at Ft Hood. used his muslim influence in many of his cases ..even suggesting suicide. Any of you remember the Manchurian Candidate’ played by F. Sinatra. who was hyptnotized to respond to certain words..and people finally figured what was goin’ on….jus…saying’

  • sweetone2

    Wondering if he had help on the inside. He came across the line to easy or maybe not??? Some people still practice ”political correctness’ and would hire Hitler if the case presented itself…get my drift?….jus sayin’

  • sweetone2

    Wondering if he had help on the inside. He came across the line to easy or maybe not??? Some people still practice ”political correctness’ and would hire Hitler if the case presented itself…get my drift?….jus sayin’

  • Sumtin Tusae

    Mohamed Elibiary DHS leader from Plano Texas., no wonder.

  • Sumtin Tusae

    Mohamed Elibiary DHS leader from Plano Texas., no wonder.

  • Sumtin Tusae

    Mohamed Elibiary DHS leader from Plano Texas., no wonder.

  • marcus johannes

    What is really a wierd coincedence is that every one of the perps of these mass shootings falls into the same category , Muslim ,Liberal ,Progressive ,Registered Democrat or all of the above ,Except for the kids that murdered their fellow students at Columbine High School ,Too young to vote ,Parents Liberal Democrats , I propose something very different and maybe even revolutionary , Instead of Gun Control we may wan`t to think about Crazy People ,Liberal and Criminal Control ,Considering that Liberalism is a Mental Disorder that would Make Liberals even more Dangerous instead of just being Dumb ,Then the only thing worse then being stupid is not knowing it ,Debbie Wasserman Schultz would be a prime example of this !!!! Hello & Greetings to the NSA and DHS

  • marcus johannes

    What is really a wierd coincedence is that every one of the perps of these mass shootings falls into the same category , Muslim ,Liberal ,Progressive ,Registered Democrat or all of the above ,Except for the kids that murdered their fellow students at Columbine High School ,Too young to vote ,Parents Liberal Democrats , I propose something very different and maybe even revolutionary , Instead of Gun Control we may wan`t to think about Crazy People ,Liberal and Criminal Control ,Considering that Liberalism is a Mental Disorder that would Make Liberals even more Dangerous instead of just being Dumb ,Then the only thing worse then being stupid is not knowing it ,Debbie Wasserman Schultz would be a prime example of this !!!! Hello & Greetings to the NSA and DHS

  • marcus johannes

    What is really a wierd coincedence is that every one of the perps of these mass shootings falls into the same category , Muslim ,Liberal ,Progressive ,Registered Democrat or all of the above ,Except for the kids that murdered their fellow students at Columbine High School ,Too young to vote ,Parents Liberal Democrats , I propose something very different and maybe even revolutionary , Instead of Gun Control we may wan`t to think about Crazy People ,Liberal and Criminal Control ,Considering that Liberalism is a Mental Disorder that would Make Liberals even more Dangerous instead of just being Dumb ,Then the only thing worse then being stupid is not knowing it ,Debbie Wasserman Schultz would be a prime example of this !!!! Hello & Greetings to the NSA and DHS

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