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  • Marge

    Infiltration is a must. That’s what the liberals have done so successfully when the church retreated during the difficult times of the 60’s…They ran to their churches and locked the doors.

    • Eric Haulenbeek

      They’re still doing it Marge. My wife and I recently left a church that was about the most separatist congregation I have ever seen. The pastor of this church was new to the ministry and considered himself to have ALL the answers. It’s a shame to see this still happening in today’s world. This church would consider themselves to be right in God’s eyes. I knew them to be wrong because of this stance.

  • RhondaOR

    Profane? Profane means evil. Jesus doesn’t call us to be evil. What crazy lies. Where dose he get this mixed up garbage?

    • fearlesskris

      Profane does not in fact mean evil. It means separate from the sacred. For us Jews, the Friday evening service separates the profane (regular work week, everyday life) from the sacred (the sabbath). And “profaners” has a specific meaning having nothing to do with modern day slang i.e. f bombs and such. Humans have always had language to use when they get riled up or get hurt. Really don’t think god begrudges us an occasional exclmation.

    • foxxybey

      How do you reach the lost send smoke signals? You don’t become apart of them but have to talk to them to spread the Gospel, how is that pew seat these days?

      • Ralph Farmer

        Bingo! Exactly what I thought.

        • foxxybey

          LOL, thanks Ralph, still laughing, God Bless Friend and Shalom:

    • Eric Haulenbeek

      The word ‘profane’ has not one but several meanings Rhonda, and the way Doug is using the word is quite correct in it’s context. A French sociologist named Emile Durkheim considered the dichotomy between the sacred and the profane to be the central characteristic of religion. I happen to think he was right, but then that’s just my point of view. What I’m trying to tell you is that you have to be open to first understanding ideas that you’ve never seen or heard before trashing them.

    • http://www.knifehaven.com/ SplendidIsolation

      If you’re not gonna read the article you really shouldn’t comment.

    • hankrbradley

      Rhonda, he is taking about being in the world but not of this world. Jesus did say go into all the world and that means more than going as a missionary to Japan or somewhere in Africa or Southeast Asia. It also means going to the homeless in our cities, working with prostitutes to help them have a better life and find forgiveness and healing, the same for drug addicts, those in our prisons and jails, with AIDs patients and others. You are to be the salt of the world but not lose your flavor! I believe this is what he is talking about

      I don’t really like the analogy to be profane as it means to be disrespectful, ungodly, sacriligous, irreverent. If it is used it in the sense that it means not respectful of orthodox religious practice as it relates to religiosity today maybe I can agree. But the emphasis is not on being profane but being where they (the world) live, work and play in order to make a difference.

      • Ralph Farmer

        Me too. I agree, sir.

      • SiRobertson

        Yes!

    • fedup

      fearlesskris is right. What Doug means is that God is coming through us as we release the 4 Horses of the Apocalypse in our hearts. God is coming in the form of the Red Horse profaners who will not hesitate to profane the church’s holy cows or calves. In Exodus, God was profaned by his people(us) and Moses was pissed and ground their likes and tastes, (golden calf) and made them drink it.

    • SiRobertson

      Try reading the article.

      • Clint

        And a little church history.

  • fedup

    No Doug, you’re not wrong. As you operate in eagle prophetic realm, you nailed it. What’s wrong is the mother church should be a manly church and operate in the Order of the Melchizedek Priesthood. We still operate in Moses O.T. leaders(pastors) who wont wish that all the people were prophet’s. Melchizedek served bread and wine to Abram after he smote some ass. Most pastor’s today serve guile milk instead of the meat of the Gospel. It’s Matthew 24 all over again. Nation of pastor’s vs. Nation of prophets. Praying for y’all and dont get weary in well doing. We as Melchizedek priest’s must mete out justice and righteousness in this dry and parched land for His Kingdom to come. Maranatha

    • foxxybey

      Who was Melchizedek? In Hebrews it says he had no linage, no mother, no father, so one has to assume he was the pre-incarnate Christ, read Hebrews chapter 5 and see who he was, no man on this earth is a priest after the order of Melchizedek after reading it all inspired of the Holy Spirit. I believe all Born Again Believers are charged with spreading the Gospel. When I got saved, I wanted to sit in the pew and hear Gods Word, had a terrible pastor at the time and was more worldly then holy. I asked him biblical questions and got pycho babble and not scripture, so I asked God to teach me His Word and after a time, He put me in a taxi, where I witnessed to those many wouldn’t talk to, pimps, hookers, strippers, homosexuals, drunks and by His Grace saw many of them saved and changed forever. We as believers talk a good game but, a lot of times won’t walk the walk that they talk. Travelled the world by the Grace of God who allowed my youngest daughter to become a pilot and then a manager at a major airlines and I flew for free to 6 continents around the world preaching the Gospel to those he put where I was at, on trains, buses, boats, airplanes and youth hostels, saved my life many times from terrorist Islamist who wanted to take my head for being a Born Again Believer. Only one Melchizedek and none are human except one who was God come in the flesh and now sit’s at the right hand of the Father in heaven and will return soon for His bride and then after 7 years to the earth to rule in the Jewish Kingdom on earth for a thousand years. God Bless Believers and pray for the lost and spread the only Gospel that saved, Jesus died, was buried and rose from the dead to save unbelievers from their sins.

      • sargeant rock

        You have spoken a great deal of truth here my brother. I also left a mainline denomination because the pastor was, shall I say limited in his teaching. God called me into the ministry and I have been a pastor, teacher and missionary to Thailand for over 20 years. I preach and teach prophecy which is a subject many will not touch. I have gone into places as you mentioned, that the “nicey-nice” Christians won’t even consider going. Jesus went into the equivalent of the bars today and reached out to the outcasts of society. He done what no “self-righteous” pharisee would do and touched the lepers and healed them.
        It is the “lepers” aka sinners of today that need our touch not our condemnation. It is easy to sit in a pew and criticize, but hard to step into a fallen world and love the unlovable and reach them for Christ. So I applaud you sir for what you are doing… You are a true “infiltrator” ….

        • foxxybey

          Thank you sergeant rock for your service to the Lord, I can tell you know what I’m talking about. I don’t get to travel much anymore and was warned by the massad not to go to a Arab country or I wouldn’t be coming back and backed up by the UK secret police, so I’ve curbed some of my travels. Like you, I now teach two Bible classes a week and the main topic is prophecy which my pastor has just started to come around on and thankful. There are those that are doing it for gain but, have never taken a dime for teaching, preaching when the pastor is away or evangelizing.
          I remember coming to church with a list of people who made a profession of faith and asked the church to pray for them and you’d think I was doing something wrong, LOL. The pastor would go out with me once in awhile to witness to someone and think he learned a lot. I tell people you can’t follow a plan taught in church, what if you don’t get someone to won’t go along with the plan, can you let the Holy Spirit lead you, as he is speaking to the person your talking too? By the grace of God, have lead leaders of the country, those in the gutter, drunks under bridges and put people up who were down and out, even had one couple steal all my money after letting them stay with me for awhile and gave them food and money. I was mad but taught me a lesson I will never forget. I didn’t want to forgive them, was saving money to go to Israel and it was all gone, not a penny left. I had to get down and pray, “God give me a new heart, one of forgiveness as it isn’t natural to me”. That night I went to church and knew I had forgiven them. The gal called me months later and asked if I would forgive them and told her I already had, she said she would sent me a little each week and I asked if she had her baby and she said yes along with another child they had. I told her to spend the money on her family as God had already replaced the money that was gone and she told me the grief was so bad she stopped at a church where they were at and she gave her heart to Christ and was going to Bible Study there and to church, so God did two great things, taught me real forgiveness and lead her to himself and praying for her husband who I hope is saved by now. Sorry to carry on so much but, would want you to know God is behind you and my prayers are always with you, your family and friends, keep up the good work in the Lord, your friend always, Ben:

          • sargeant rock

            What a great testimony my friend… With you permission, I would like to use it in my Sunday message.
            I spent 22 years on active duty in the military and got to see a lot of countries and meet some really wonderful people. I had a tour of duty in Viet Nam also and seen man at his worst…

            Like yourself, I don’t travel overseas anymore for health reasons. I have a couple medical conditions that prevents me from going and that grieves me as God gave me a heart for the people of Thailand and we have had great success there. Three years running, I was asked to be their guest speaker at their annual camp meet… What a powerful experience…

            I pastor a small fellowship in Southern New Mexico now and I am the Southwestern Representative for a large Ministry so I travel occasionally to some other churches, and like yourself, I take no money for my work. To me it is a privilege to serve God and not a job…

            You and yours will be added to my prayer list…
            G-d bless you richly my friend… Al

          • Ralph Farmer

            May God continue to bless you!
            Awesome!!

          • foxxybey

            Feel free anytime my Brother. The gal I told you about that stole my money got saved in a little church in New Mexico. Glad two old dogs are still serving the Lord as best we can. Didn’t retire from the Marine Corps, probably should have but believe God had other plans for me so got out after 12 years, like you saw things most wouldn’t believe, race wars in the service in the 60’s, that was really dumb on everyone’s part, we are all children of the Creator no matter what color we are. I grew up in a Mexican neighborhood and a Black neighborhood where I was the only white guy on any of the teams and never had a racist bone in my body and hate what is going on today. I was in Thailand when travelling in the far east and God got me a hotel right across the road from a Baptist Church, LOL. You and Yours are also on my prayer list daily from here on out. God Bless Brother and Shalom:

          • SiRobertson

            Thank you for sharing!

          • foxxybey

            Always glad to tell how God changed my life and how He worked in my life and still is. God Bless Friend and Shalom:

      • fedup

        What does Peter mean in a Holy Priesthood ?

        • foxxybey

          God said be ye Holy as I am Holy, doesn’t mean we become like God, just means we should live like Christ but have to remember when we were Born Again as per John 3:3 God didn’t take away our sinful nature, as Paul said in Romans 7:17-20. We are not judged because Jesus took the judgment due us on Himself and His blood shed to make us white as snow. We nor no one can be a priest after the order of Melchisedec only Christ Himself. God Bless Friend and Shalom:

          • sargeant rock

            Amazing.. That is the sermon I preached last Sunday

            “Be holy as I am Holy”

          • foxxybey

            The Lord works in wonderful ways. I listen to JD Farag each week and seems like we compared notes before teachings? Wow, God is great. God Bless Brother and Shalom:

          • fedup

            What we mean is that O.T. is the N.T concealed, the N.T. is the O.T. revealed. The Old Covenant Priesthood is the Levitical order, while the New Covenant is of the Melchizedek order. This means that there is no fixed priestly class. The veil was torn from the top to bottom, to allow us to enter and excercise a priestly function. Under the New Covenant, we are all a Holy Nation of Priests. A Melchizedek Priest is a person who freely gives you the bread of the prophetic and the wine of evangelistic grace w/o binding you to him or her. This priest will truly bless you to fulfill your fulfillment of God’s purposes in your life and be willing to expose you to God’s face of Judgments as you die to yourself and resurrect in newness of life. This person who preaches to you that true peace(shalom) can only be fulfilled if true justice is fulfilled. The quest for peace will be successful if and only if you are on the road of God,s cleansing process. This priest will not emphasize mother or father and genealogies, but will emphasize a direct Fatherhood connection. No Moses inbetween(pastors). God Bless Friend and Shalom

          • foxxybey

            I’m afraid I disagree, there is only one priest after the order of Melchizedek and it isn’t any human walking the earth today but will return soon. We are all saved and able and should be preaching the Gospel but not a priesthood per say. Do you mind me asking what kind of church you go too, not being nosey but, have a idea where it might be and what is being taught? I live by Faith in Christ alone, even many pastors have become apostate in their preaching and have shown some where they were wrong from the scriptures but, I don’t live by even one word of the law, if you live by one, you have to live by them all, 613 and if you break one, you break them all. Adam and Eve didn’t obey one, the Jews like myself couldn’t keep 10 and now many think they live by 613 and that has to be frustrating at best. No temple, no shed blood, no atonement for sin both OT and NT, Jesus died once for all and isn’t doing it daily or ever again. He is the only priest after the order of Melcjozedek and there is no other anywhere. God Bless Friend and Shalom.

          • Lugh

            What about Phineas and his Priesthood?

          • fedup

            Love it when we can agree to disagree. Have a great wknd. Oh, and I go to church at George Jones Cathedral.

          • foxxybey

            Hope it is a good Bible believing church, when I’d lead someone to Christ they would ask where to go to church and I’d tell them to ask God as He knows where He wants His children. Have a good weekend also.

          • Clint

            Good Ben, I was going to ask the same questions.
            Clint

          • foxxybey

            My friend these question’s are important and know you well enough to know what you believe, God Bless Brother:

          • Lugh

            Christ said, Soon they will drive you from the Synagogues and consider killing you a religious duty. But now Christians say “Shalom”. So sad.

          • fedup

            Is there true peace without a landslide conquest ?

      • http://batman-news.com MCBLawrence

        I’ve come across many of your comments on religious topics and I appreciate your zeal and born again enthusiasm. I was born again about 45 years ago and still energetically communicate my faith and belief at every opportune moment. Very few people are aware of the true origins of the Melchizedek ministry. Are you familiar with the Urantia Revelations? If not I think you would find them most edifying and enlightening. Log onto the Urantia Foundation and you will find a great many papers (Revelations) describing the nature and history of the Melchizedeks!

        • foxxybey

          I mean no disrespect but, I don’t follow outside sources at any time, all I need to know is in Gods Word and need no other. I’m sure you mean well and again no disrespect but don’t believe this is doctrine as the Holy Spirit has been and always will be my one and only teacher. I believe many that follow after certain sects are deceived in many ways, and there is no explanation for Melchizedek except that given in Gods Holy Word. anyone who can’t read it and understand it is being fooled and that is my stand. I thank you for your kindness but won’t go to any web site as I already have the truth and don’t need mere men to lead and guide me. God Bless and Shalom:

          • http://batman-news.com MCBLawrence

            I’m so very sorry and disappointed that someone who seems so discerning and is so concerned with dictating what they believe to be the exact nature and words of the Holy Spirit would shy away from a source that I perceive would only enhance, substantiate and validate your powerful grasp of Spiritual Realities and History. I am not part of any sect or organized religion but rather I am an independent entity representing Christian Enlightenment. I have no pastor no mentor and like you I am guided by the Holy Spirit. I am motivated to share the Urantia Revelations as they were revealed to me 45 years ago with persons who I perceive may possess the discernment to appreciate and profit (spiritually) by them. The reward is unimaginable joy and exaltation from heretofore unknown and unrecorded Cosmolgy of Scientific, Theologic and Historic Revelations of God and Creation. Imagine if you could exponentially expand your knowledge and wisdom of God and the Holy Spirit a thousand fold? You may or may not be chosen as a candidate to receive these Revelations. Many are called, but the veil is lifted for few.

            For the record, the Melchizedek Priest, was not born of woman as you have correctly learned but was “materialized” fully mature as an “emergency Son” to appear to Abraham. His first name is Machiventa and he was one of twelve Melchizedeks assigned to oversee the planet during the post Lucifer Rebellion/ Adamic Default, pre bestowal of the the Ministry of Christ. He remained on earth approx 90 years, without aging, and had to terminate his ministry because his followers were beginning to regard him as a demigod. Contrary to popular myth this Melchizedek Son was not an earlier incarnation of the Christ. There are several chapters devoted to the fascinating life of this divinely incarnated super mortal being. I know you would absolutely love the volumes of historic mysteries revealed in the pages of the Urantia Book.

            If your faith is as profound as you claim then you should be fearless in confronting Revelations that the Holy Spirit will surely reveal to you the truth of their origins and veracity. These Revelations are not the machinations of ” mere men,” but rather the Epochal Gift from the Higher Authorities (plural) of God’s far reaching administration bestowed upon our planet mid century to clear up all of the confusion precipitated by so many errant scriptural interpretation’s of God, the Holy Spirit and the nature and meaning of Christ’s Ministry.

          • Clint

            Satan had the same message for Eve in the garden. It will open your understanding. It will make you wise and you will be like gods. I won’t call you brother, for you are not. I will not call you a believer in YESHUA/Jesus, for you are not. I will not agree that you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, for you are not. You are being led by a spirit, but it is not holy. Satan can change and appear as an angel of light. My advice to you would be, you really need to examine what spirit it is that you are following, because it is not the Holy Spirit for absolute certainty.

          • http://batman-news.com MCBLawrence

            The Urantia Book and the Bible wholly agree in upholding the spiritual realities of hope, faith, love, grace, eternal life, and all other significant spiritual teachings.
            And who said anything about becoming as gods? The phrase was learning more about God. I can see why you have totally misconstrued everything I’ve written. I must ask you to test the veracity of your Christian ideology. Are you really practicing the true scriptural ideals of your understanding of Christs teachings. Or have you become the victim of a cult that becomes smugly satisfied by attacking and denigrating the beliefs or studies of any Christians that don’t conform to your fanatic ‘ideals and definitions.” Do you really believe you have the spiritual vision to see inside my soul? The truth is you have no idea who I am, what I’ve lived through, how my beliefs were formulated or what my relationship is with God, Christ or the Holy Spirit. Have you, as did that infamous false prophet, Mohammed, decided that you are the final arbiter of Gods Will? Is your knowledge so vast and so supreme that you believe you can pass judgement on me in spite of Christs admonition to avoid that prideful arrogance. Did not the Master admonish you to avoid the pitfalls of intractable dogma, for by following Him (The Holy Spirit) “all things will be made new!” Do you believe God stopped revealing Himself to mankind 2000 years ago because you believe so? Your response to me, attacking my beliefs violates all of the fundamental Christian ideals you claim to support, however I will not deny you your status as a fellow Christian, and I will not question your desire to do the “will of the Spirit,” but simply put your response down to ill-conceived overzealous lack of understanding and knowledge. The difference between a mature Christian and a zealot is that I would have been ever so grateful to receive news of additional Christian history and revelations and would have welcomed positive affirmation of my faith. I would have given the benefit of the doubt, reserved judgement and not taken the words of others and studied the material myself. . The operative words here are to read it for yourself. Here are sample’s of the “real spirit” of the Urantia Revelations. Tell me if any of these concepts bespeak of any demonic or evil character:
            Tolerance and openness. The Urantia Book makes no claim to be The Whole Truth. Some religious groups attempt to set their adherents apart to keep them uncontaminated by alien concepts of other faiths. To the contrary, the Urantia Book encourages its readers to study every world religion, to seek for, appreciate, and embrace truth wherever it might be found. The Urantia Book exhibits this attitude of appreciative openness even while setting forth its own views in categorical terms of Christs teachngs both Biblical and from the Urantia Revelaitons.
            .God’s universal family We are all part of a gigantic enterprise involving uncounted trillions of beings whom God is perfecting on uncountable worlds. We are all brothers and sisters in God’s universal family, and thus are affected by every other family member’s actions. Any person’s good effort moves the family forward, while any person’s failure to choose the way of light retards us all.
            Service: A life of dedicated service to our fellows inevitably results from spiritual commitment. We can be God’s partners in helping make this earth into the place he intends it to be, and help bring health, sanity, and happiness to mankind. Apart from serving others, life is meaningless and unfulfilling.

            Jesus of Nazareth The Urantia Book’s section on Jesus’ life and teachings fills more than a third of its pages, and may be the book’s most powerful contribution. It portrays Jesus as a divine Son of God, the creator of the vast stretch of the universe in which we live. There are other divine Sons of God who bear a similar relationship to God the Father in other parts of the grand universe. To us, however, the Son of God who incarnated on earth as Jesus of Nazareth is, to all intents and purposes, God. He came to earth to experience life as we live it on earth that he might become a more merciful and understanding sovereign, and while here, reveal God’s love to his earthly children. And translated from the Urantia the Biblical teachings from Christ:

            Do not forget that you are commissioned to go forth preaching only the good news. You are not to attack the old ways; you are skillfully to put the leaven of new truth in the midst of the old beliefs. Let the Spirit of Truth do his own work.
            Remember always to love one another. Do not strive with others, even with unbelievers. Show mercy, even to those who despitefully abuse you.
            He who would be great among you, let him become server of all.
            My God, I just read below your slanderous attempt to explain the Urantia, revealing that you have most likely not read one iota of it. Obviously I misjudged you. You are the one devoid of any Spiritual integrity, and I was ready to give you the benefit of the doubt. To deliberately lie and mislead fellow Christians for the sake of your Status as a theologian is beyond reproach. Your fear and dread of being unable to comprehend what is admittedly very profound revelations has driven you to lie to yourself and others. Fear, intolerance, and superstition have blinded you to any rational interpretation of the truth. Spiritual cowardice, attacking fellow Christians, lying to other Christians in order to hide your academic incompetence. Read my last response to Foxxybey. It will explain why cult fanatics of Christian Scripture such as yourself are so destructive to the Christian Family. You indeed are the very false prophets of the Bible that Christ warned of.

          • Clint

            Thanks for confirming everything I wrote in my post. You explained your false teaching much better than I ever could. You make it painfully obvious that you believe all roads lead to God and that there are many Saviors throughout the universe. Thanks again for making my point. If you believe the false teaching that you post, I’m not your brother in Christ. Jesus of Nazareth is not “a” God. He “is” God incarnate, exclusive of all other, so called, gods.

          • http://batman-news.com MCBLawrence

            There you go again, lying to yourself, to me and to everyone else because you just can’t seem to be able to understand real meaning. I never said all roads lead to
            God. To paraphrase the terms are

          • foxxybey

            Sorry but, God gave me all I need in His Word, find most false teachers always go to something other then the Bible, Bye, your a false teacher and won’t have nothing to do with you.

          • http://batman-news.com MCBLawrence

            Your accusations towards me (false teacher) are very hurtful and violates the very fundamental Christian ideals with which you profess to abide by. The Master warned against the false pride of arrogance and it is inversely proportional to the degree with which you will incorrectly and falsely judge others and offer what you deem to be irrefutable interpretation’s of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. I believe God will be the final Judge as to my status with regard to the Holy Spirit and my attempts at sharing Christian Revelations. I neither claimed to be a teacher nor did I attempt to pass judgment on the veracity of your Spirituality. In fact I complimented you and simply thought you would be receptive to new Christian Revelations that I believed were compatible with your current beliefs. Sadly, I was mistsken. As I will write Clint, you need to test the veracity of your Christian ideology if you believe that attacking and denigrating other Christians ,because they don’t conform to the intractable dogma of your particular cult definition of Scriptures, is legitimate. The difference between a mature Christian and a zealot is that I would have been ever so grateful to receive news of additional Christian history and revelations and would have welcomed positive affirmation of my faith. I would have given the benefit of the doubt, reserved judgment and not taken the words of others and studied the material myself. You are woefully behind the positive evolution of modern Christianity if you believe God stopped revealing himself to mankind 2000 years ago. It is the fanatic and relentless effort of Christian cultists to establish the superiority of their esoteric systems of ancient scriptural interpretation’s that is tearing apart the family of Christianity. In spite of that I believe you are sincere in your efforts to be guided by the Holy Spirit and there is no doubt a great deal of righteousness and truth in your discernment but you could temper your anaysis of a fellow Christian with less suspicion and more humility and kindness. God Bless and Shalom

          • foxxybey

            You can try in insult me anytime you want but, it is pretty easy to spot a false teacher or preacher, they use outside books or some other means to bring about what they say in a new revelation. Well I’ve got Gods Word from Genesis to Revelation and don’t need outside books to tell me about something new, I agree with Clint about this and it isn’t new, spoken of in Genesis and we who are Holy Spirit fill will not be fooled by Satan and his messengers. Don’t try promote un biblical trash and I won’t let people know you don’t have a clue. God Bless and Shalom:

          • sargeant rock

            YEP…..

          • foxxybey

            YEP back at you, LOL, God Bless Brother and glad we met here. Gods Love and Protection on You, Family and Friends, keep up the good work.

          • Clint

            Good for you Ben. I have some relatives who got involved with Urantia and it messed with their head big time.
            Clint

          • foxxybey

            As brother in Christ and in arms it is always nice to have a true Brother, God Bless Friend:

          • Clint

            One other thing about the Urantia teachings. I can tell you precisely who I think these extraterrestrials (the spirits in the book of Urantia) are. Rather, the Bible can tell anyone who will read it. In Genesis 6 there is an account of some creatures whom I believe to be fallen angels who cohabited with women of earth in an effort to corrupt the human race even more than has already been accomplished by satan through Eve and Adam. If they were just human men why would this be included in the Scriptures as something unusual. Jesus said concerning marriage in Heaven, that the angels neither marry or are given in marriage. That being true, the sons of God who lusted for the daughters of men in Genesis 6 must be the followers of the Fallen one, satan. There were giants in the earth and when these sons cohabited with earthly women they produced mighty men, and in the very next verse God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and the imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. God said that it repented the Lord and grieved Him at His heart. God declared that His judgment would be to destroy man from the face of the earth including beasts, saving only Noah and his sons, Noah’s wife and three daughters in law. Notice that in verse 9 of Genesis 6, “These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God”. The word generation can mean posterity, and I believe it does in this case, otherwise God would not save them through the flood. Noah and his wife, his three sons and their wives had not been corrupted genetically, therefore Noah’s seed would be saved to repopulate the earth after God destroyed everything that had been corrupted by who I believe to be these fallen angels. If they were true Sons of God, why would God want to destroy their posterity. I believe these were fallen angels who were attempting to corrupt God’s creation. The devil does not change his method. He told Eve that the fruit would make them wise, that they would get extra wisdom that would make them like gods. These creatures that the book of Urantia offers are spreading the same satanic lies. “The Urantia revelations will make you wise beyond belief”. It is just more of the same garbage satan has been dishing out for millennia.
            Now before anyone jumps on me about this, and gets things in a knot, study it for yourself and should you come to a different conclusion, no problem. None of our Salvation depends on any of this. These are just things that I have studied, but I must tell you, there are a great many Bible scholars who have reached the same conclusion. God Bless.

          • foxxybey

            I think Gods Word explains it all real clear, If the son’s of God were just men, they would have died during the flood with other men and women but, I think Jude clears it up real well. Verse 6 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Just like today when people say they see men from space I believe they are truly seeing something but, not men from space but demons bringing about a lie before men who aren’t believers and Born Again. I wouldn’t say I’m a Bible scholar but, know and teach the Bible well enough to know when someone is trying to distort Gods Truth and this whole Urantia thing is just demonic tom foolery and anyone who follows that would believe in the easter bunny and santa claus. God Bless Brother and Shalom:

          • Clint

            YESHUA Himself told how it would be in the days leading up to His 2nd coming, when He said; Mt. 24:37 “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,”. They were doing whatever they pleased. Thanks brother for, you are correct in pointing out Jude because he does sum it up nicely. The world has been conditioned to think of extraterrestrials, but more than likely what they are seeing are the fallen angels (demons) doing the same things that they did at the time of the flood.
            Thanks again Jarhead brother. God bless, Semper Fi., and Shalom to you and yours. Clint

          • foxxybey

            Amen to all you said brother. God Bless, anchors away and semper fi.

        • Clint

          The book of Urantia is garbage that has corrupted many. I would tell everyone, including you, no matter how long you have been a believer, you are playing with fire and heresy when you fool with Urantia.

  • GODGUNS&COUNTRY

    Preachers won’t call out the sin that’s in the camp … JESUS saves us from our sins, not in them.. ACTS 2:38 ..

  • RB

    No, He does not call upon His people to live a profane (common, unclean) life. In fact, just the opposite… He calls upon them to live a holy life. God, through His prophet Ezekiel, condemned Israel for just that. In chapter 22, verse 26 He says “Her
    priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not
    distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them [the Gentiles].”Then in verse 30, He pleads “So I sought for a man
    among them who would make a wall, and stand in the gap before Me on
    behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one.” God calls upon His people today to do the same: live holy lives in an ungodly world so that His name will not be profaned among unbelievers.

    While your article was good, Doug, your title missed the mark considerably.

    • http://www.knifehaven.com/ SplendidIsolation

      If you’re not gonna read the article you really shouldn’t comment. He clearly indicated what Luther meant by “profane” … “outside the temple”.

      • SiRobertson

        So many knee-jerk reactions on here from those who either didn’t read, or didn’t comprehend what Giles said.

    • Ralph Farmer

      You’re right, but my interpretation of what Doug was saying was that we should all do what Jesus did. Jesus did not separate Himself from the sinners, whether a lady of ill-repute or the tax collectors in the temple, but rather engaged them. After He provided words of wisdom, He went about His way, allowing what He had said to act upon the individual.
      I took it that this is what Doug was referring to when he said “live a profane life”. He just meant to get out there and hone your skills as a christian and when you come in contact with someone who is lost, you step in as you can to try to listen to them and provide truth to them. God will take it from there. He meant just to not shy away from people because they were openly sinning. I don’t think he meant to hang out with them as they partied, etc., as that would clearly be against what Jesus told us to do.
      Thanks for your time.

    • dantalbot

      Right. We all knew what Doug Giles MEANT, but his tone and trajectory used wording that was ill structured.

  • kgillman080

    HEY YO MAMMA, ARE YOU IN FOR A BIG SURPRISE ! JESUS CAME TO EARTH TO SEEK AND TO SAVE THAT WHICH IS LOST. AND IF YOU NEVER TRUSTED HIM AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOR, YOU’RE ON YOUR WAY TO HELL. IF YOUR GOING TO BE QUOTING SCRIPTURE, YOU BETTER NOT BE TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT !

  • regulus30

    HONOR AND MORALITY; SEPARATE THE MEN FROM THE LIBS/PROGRESSIVES;;; THEY HAVE NEITHER… just sayin.

  • ansonheath

    Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
    – Matt. 13:33
    The question for us is always: Who is leavening who? There is no option to sleep through it all.

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Is this why we have so many “Christians” addicted to pornography and so many “pastors” taking advantage of those who go to them for counseling and also protecting those who are sexual predators, child molesters, etc., stating that the latter deserve a second chance? “Do not be of the world while being in the world.”

  • ChicagoThunder1

    Yup you could find Jesus hanging out in a biker bar.

  • bungicord

    John 15:19–“If ye were of the world, the world would love his own; but
    because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world,
    therefore the world hateth you.”
    We don’t hate the world, it’s the other way around. We must be part of it to live in it. Jesus commanded us to spread the gospel through out the world how can we do that without immersing ourselves into the culture?
    Christians teach others by their actions. We are different then the world and we should be acting like it. It’s easy for a Christian to walk through the worldly valley of death, We know where were going and worry only that we are perceived to be nothing but good, honest, (non profane) God fearing folks. We know and accept the fact we are sinners, maybe worse than those in the world. The difference is we admit and repent for it. We know that through Grace we are saved through our belief in the sacrifice Jesus gave us on the cross.
    I get tired of hearing how wimpy we are. I for one go around hoping for some punk to try to knock me out. I understand that is also a sin of pride, but the Lord has some work left to do with me.

  • Hudmar

    CINO’s, Christians In Name Only. yep! the world is full of them and so is Congress.

  • AZtejas

    You need to find a good Bible believing Preacher to teach you a few things about the Bible. You go off on a a spiel that clearly shows you are simply ignorant and need to do some homework. I leave you with one clear statement directly from the Word of God.

    2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

    • Memphis Viking

      When Jesus called Peter and Andrew, what did He say to them? “I will make you fishers of men.” Do fishermen sit in their house and wait for the fish to come to them?

      • bitterrootbill

        Exactly! It`s a target-rich environment (I believe Doug was saying), so get out and evangelize! That can`t be done by avoiding the sinners-we must go to them; they will not come to us.

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.barrett.188478 KSJeffersonian

      That applies to marriages and business partnerships. It has nothing to do with us going out into the world to be salt and light.

      • SiRobertson

        Correct!

    • marlene

      yes

    • sandraleesmith46

      That means we don’t bring the unbelievers into the fellowship of the body before they repent and turn from their sinful ways., not that we don’t interact with them! They come to the services but don’t otherwise participate in the life of the Church and you don’t get into intimate relationships of any sort with them.

      • Clint

        Absolutely correct.

      • dantalbot

        Christ also said that if the audience (of one or more) is hostile and unreceptive, we should shake the dust from our sandals and walk away.

        • sandraleesmith46

          Yes, He did; and to not cast our pearls before swine, any and all of which apply to many of our audience, so we have to be attuned to the leading of the Holy Spirit to discern which approach is appropriate at any given time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.barrett.188478 KSJeffersonian

    Doug Giles is absolutely right. Many years ago, when I lived in Lawrence, Kansas, there was a business with the name of Lotus. I don’t remember the nature of the business, but its motto was, “In the muddy water, but not of it.” I have more than a few times used that to describe what Christians must be — In the world, but not of it.

    Christ told us that we are to be salt and light to the world.

    Salt is of no use sitting in a container. Salt must be spread on food if it is to flavor and preserve it. Likewise, we must must be spread on the culture if we are to flavor and preserve it.

    Light is of no use if it is, as Christ said, “put under a bushel or under a bed.” We cannot light the world with the Gospel of Christ, if we are not out in the world.

    As usual, I cannot stop without mentioning that males must be men. Over the past approximately 150 years, society has come to believe that it is un-Christian for men to be men. God made us different than women, and he expects us to be different. I am not suggesting that men are excused for drunkenness or violence toward women or promiscuity. I am saying that we are to be the unapologetic heads of our households. We are to be more assertive and disciplined, and less nurturing and emotionally sensitive, than are women. There is nothing wrong with us being interested in “manly” things like guns, cars, hunting, fishing, camping, and yes, sex, as long as they don’t become our gods.

    If we deny our masculinity, if we believe being more feminine and sensitive is being more Christian, we are denying the very character of who God intended for us to be. And I would suggest that this belief that Christian males must have a Milquetoast character, is the root cause of so many “Christians” either absorbing or avoiding the culture.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Salt, in ancient times was used also as a purifying agent; and it still works in that capacity. That was part of what Jesus meant was not so much flavoring, but purifying, cleansing,

      • Clint

        That is true sandraleesmith46. It was my impression that Doug probably could have used different words to convey his thought, but Doug has always been a little edgy. My impression concerning the whole article is that Doug was attempting to say that, when the believers stay within the confines of the Church and never interact with the “profane” world which we find when we walk out of the Church buildings, we end up not being a very good witness to the world. We are forgiven and have the Holy Spirit dwelling on the inside of us, we should not fear that we will be polluted by interacting with the lost, as Jesus Himself did in His earthly life. I would never tell a new believer that it is ok for him to run with the same crowd that he ran with before he believed. Too many of the older believers have no contact with the people of the world. We must evangelize, beginning just outside our door.

        • sandraleesmith46

          Doug has earmarks reminiscent of a no-longer active duty Marine; they never stop being Marines really. And often they can be a bit “rough” around the edges, probably comes from the training and job description, but I think his heart and mind are in the right places on this too. Of course it doesn’t help that so many of the churches are preaching a nice “warm, fuzzy”, touchy-feely “social gospel” that has little to do with the actual Gospel of Jesus Christ as presented in the Bible. I honestly believe most of those filling pews on Sundays would fall over in a dead faint if they actually had to confront a sinner about his sins, assuming they’d even recognize the behaviors as sins! There are always ways and places in which you can witness and do the work of God, if you open your heart to His direction.

          • Clint

            One can only say, Amen.

    • Croco Dile

      Through the Jesus character the rulers are talking to YOU (them) :

      He answered, To you [the rulers] it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven [Cosmos], but to them [YOU] it has not been given. The reason I speak to them [YOU] in parables is that “seeing they [YOU] do not perceive, and hearing they [YOU] do not listen, nor do they [YOU] understand.” – Matthew 13:11,13

  • JoAnn Dolberg

    Good one! We live in the world, but we are not of the world. A little self-sacrificial service to others for their own good, goes a long way.

  • Richard Kirby

    What a stupid, self-righteous, super-macho bunch of claptrap, by an arrant bully.
    Shame on you, Doug. We are absolutely NOT called on to live a profane life. Granted, we are to live IN the world though not OF it. We are not called on to create clashes with the world, but to “live quiet lives in all godliness and and gravity. How dare you refer to your betters as “girly-men”? We’re to keep ourselves unspotted from the world, and (as far as lies in US) to live at peace with all men. So now we know that the “Big Dawg” has lots of testosterone. Whoopee!

    • marlene

      you are so right and giles is so wrong. i couldn’t even finish reading the dumb article.

      • GQ4U

        No wonder there’s a preponderance of ignorance around us.

    • militarydad

      Wow, aren’t you judgmental! I believe you missed the point…. that he was quoting Martin Luther about the belief of his fellow monks had which was that living outside the temple was “profane. Giles is not advocating that we live a profane life, rather that we live as Jesus did which was to infiltrate the areas of the profane in order to spread the Gospel to those there. Keeping ourselves “unspotted from the world” means that we don’t live in willful sin and unrighteousness, not that we aren’t to minister to the worldly and ungodly.

      • dantalbot

        Re-read the title of this article. Giles IS advocating a profane life.

    • GQ4U

      I think you need further instruction concerning self-righteousness.

  • RC Rhodes

    We are in the world, not of the of the world. We are not better than anyone we are just better off! Ephesians 1;3-4-5

    • marlene

      spot on.

    • GQ4U

      Its who we know, and we need to make introductions not condemnations.

    • Mindy Robinson

      Amen.

  • marlene

    i don’t like the way this article was written. again, the assumption is ALL christians are given the writer’s 3 choices. vapid, ignorant premse.

    • GQ4U

      What other choices are there — please elaborate. I do know this, the apathetic are usually the first and loudest to protest when challenged to do God’s will.

    • dantalbot

      I am certain that more than 3 choices exist, but some may be subsumed by Doug’s generalities. I can think of a 4th choice: ridicule the heathens and their logic.

      • sandraleesmith46

        Ridicule is more one of Satan’s tools and that’s the reason it’s so heavily used by the left. While it can be used, I’m not entirely sure we want to sink to that level, since that usually puts the recipient off, rather than drawing in.

        • Marie

          LOL that’s you and NASA personified

  • DrBobNM

    very wise words indeed, Doug.

  • SeaDragon

    Thank you, Doug! This message was needed. Our Lord was called a glutton and a wine-biber because of who He associated with. But He changed Them, not the other way around.

    • frawgeyz

      Was that not Paul who was referred to as a glutton and wine- bibber? I could not find the scripture.

  • Richard Kirby

    Jesus never “hung out” anywhere. He spent His time teaching, preaching, healing the sick, and casting out demons, raising the dead, and discipling the twelve, not sprawled out in a bar with a brew and a cigar. . He was a guest at weddings and meals when invited. However, as often as not He insulted his host. it’s a skewed reading of the New Testament that finds Jesus “hanging out at biker bars.” Ridiculous. You must have been reading the Big Dawg translation.You hang out in bars if you must, but please don’t use Jesus or Paul, or John or James as your excuse.

    • mark

      That’s right! people came to Jesus to here the word of God!

      • GQ4U

        Jesus came to save the world, the same world that God love and He didn’t hang out with the social elites or the religious leaders, He hung out with those who needed Him because God’s chosen had failed to show people the way. That is happening today – the chosen are failing to engage the world.

        • sandraleesmith46

          Jesus didn’t “hang” with the social elites or religious leaders because He KNEW ahead those wouldn’t be turned. God gave each of us free will, and He won’t cross that free will choice even to save the soul of the one making those choices. Instead, He focused His efforts on people who could be wooed and drawn in to repent and turn to God. He didn’t waste His time trying to convince those others. That’s a discernment {or judgment, if you will} that we’re intended to recognize and make also. They may have great need of the Word and salvation, but they have chosen and once it’s clear they’re not interested, shake the dust off and move on. We’re also not to cast our pearls before swine, lest those be trampled into the mire.

    • GQ4U

      So you believe God is not able to keep you from succumbing to temptation. When is last time you hung out the docks with hoards of mariners or spent time at the tax collectors house or making large jars of wine so a bunch of revelers could continue to swill alcohol? Christians often quote John 3:16 but do they really believe its 100% true? Most Christians seem to be preoccupied with the second coming and packing their bags for a trip to heaven all the while believing the world must be grossly corrupted to spark Jesus’ return so they secretly hope evil wins the day. Behold, no Christian soldiers means a victory for Satan. The Big Dawg is God Almighty and He LOVES THE WORLD, if it were not so then we would all be dead in our sin. Praise God – Jesus is my salvation.
      Read Matthew 23 to see what Jesus thought of God’s standard bearers.
      Read Ephesians 6: 12 for preparation instructions to conquer the world.
      Read Ephesians 6: 13-20 to find out who you are to fight against. Hint: Its not Doug Giles.

    • TRex

      Have you ever been around fishermen Richard? Christ’s disciples were like the men from Deadliest Catch.

    • monacall

      That’s to funny cause I keep asking the ministers the priest what temple did Jesus go to every Sunday. Or was it Saturday. The bible just says and on the seventh day God rested. It doesn’t say Sunday. I believe and I’m not Jewish the sabbath is Saturday. That the first pope changed it to Sunday. Reality for me everyday is the sabbath. Everyday I’m a practicing Christian not just one hour one day a week. The best vitamin I heard to take if your a Christian is B-1.

      • http://batman-news.com MCBLawrence

        You’re right. For the Master every day was a day of sharing the joy and wisdom of the Holy Spirit. He called upon all believers to respect the traditional days of worship of other faiths but reminded them that communion with God through the Holy Spirit was/is a daily requirement through prayer and meditation.

  • Coco

    Yes and Jesus turned the tables over, in the Temple…and told the religious frauds you have turned my house into a den of thieves. A lot of churches across America today would be wrecked if he walked in, and he would be called homophobe,Islamophobe, and a racist for condemning the marxist teachings of social justice

  • dantalbot

    An excellent book exists on this subject, by Pastor Stephen Brown, called “No More Mister Nice Guy: Saying Goodbye to Doormat Christianity”. It might be hard to find a copy, so try the used book online stores if interested.

    • GQ4U

      Thanks.

  • ShotGlass

    If you can hear your calling, you will know what you are suppose to do, some are to depart from danger (Lot left Sodom), some are to run to danger (David grabbed his sling shot), some move through the crowds sharing the Word…you may be called to do something that has never been done before. God’s plan is being worked out, and if you or I can find our place in it, we are certainly blessed…..

  • foxxybey

    Phineas was the son of Eleazar, a son of a priesthood tribe Levi and the OT priesthood which isn’t the priesthood of today. Why did that even matter to you Lugh, do you live by the OT or are you saved by Grace and a part of the new covenant? Really didn’t make any sense to me to even ask that question? God Bless and Shalom.

    • sargeant rock

      Just in case you wondered why I have not jumped into this conversation, you are doing a great job without my help. Probably better than I could do.. but trust I am supporting you in prayer…. .

      • foxxybey

        I had no doubt about your support and clint is also a believer and a preacher, a friend in the flesh and a brother in Christ. I thank you with all my heart and believe God has already answered many of your prayers on my behalf. Please pray for Clint as he has some physical problems and needs our prayers. God Bless Brother and Shalom from a Jewish Brother in Christ:

    • Lugh

      The New Testament cannot stand alone. It has no provisions on how to maintain national borders and racial purity. The Old Testament does. Do you really think Israel benefits from bringing in Ethiopian Jews – even though their Judaism is far more pure than mainstream Judaism? They still practice sacrifice and are without the “benefit” of the Talmud. But their IQ’s are no better than other Black Africans.

      • foxxybey

        Lugh, there are times you have to tell someone this, you have no clue of what you speak, your thoughts are humanistic and not of the Holy Spirit, a Jew is a Jew no matter the color or where they lived before returning to their home land, get a real grib, your so easy you rabbi’s most just love your mind that they control and not God. On the day of atonement what do you sacrifice? Where, no temple bud, hate to inform you, you do the things of men and not of God, ask God and not the rabbi what is true and I’ll pray He will speak to you blind heart.

        • Lugh

          A Jew? What is that? Not a Semite. No genetic connection to the Holy Land once that is taken away.
          Why shouldn’t you sacrifice? The Falashas still do. Guess they didn’t get the memo. Did Adam and Even have a Temple? Or Abel and Cain?
          Careful, many Jews will worship the Anti-Christ who will claim He is Christ. He will be a Jew after all and he will stit in the rebuilt Temple. You surely know that Jews intend to rebuild. Your attempt to bully me has failed.

          • foxxybey

            Lugh, I know children with more knowledge then yourself, There were no Jews before Abraham and Adam and Eve were gentiles, so I don’t know where you got that nonsense as you have no idea of scriptures what so ever and show it with your comments. Gods Word doesn’t say the Anti-Christ will be a Jew so that is your opinion and nothing more. The temple will be built if you like it or not and not you or your gang of Islamist thugs can stop it, go get ahold of yourself your comments are like a crazy man without a brain. Your the stupid, dumb and blind bully, so get over yourself you egoist.

  • Clint

    The word PROFANE as used in this article simply means that which is outside the walls of the church building. If after being “Born Again” a believer refuses to walk where the PROFANE lives, the believer will have no influence with any lost person, nor with the struggling believer. Why? Simply because the believer refuses to take the Gospel to the lost and dying world, and refuses to restore Christian fellowship with believers. It seems that many churches teach the believers to NOT associate with sinners because the believer will be tainted by sin. One doesn’t become sinful through osmosis or by breathing contaminated air of a sinner. In other words, sin is not like a communicable disease that can be caught simply by breathing the same air that someone exhales, who doesn’t know Christ. Let me give an example: I know a Southern Baptist Church that is quite rural. This church has been in this rural community for about 100 years. The church participation is shrinking from week to week, and accordingly, the cause always falls on the pastor, so they fire him and elect a new one, and the church still does not grow. They seem to have no clue why the church will not grow. Let me lay out something that has been going on in this church for at least 50 years. There are families who are members and have been most of their lives. Their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren grew up in this church and they no longer attend. There are 3 ladies in this community, and members of this church of long standing, whose husbands, who were also members, died in the recent past and are buried in the church graveyard. It would be easy for the religious folks to chalk up the actions of these ladies as being backslidden. When you dig a little bit, you will find that after the husbands died these ladies, like many others, missed the companionship. I failed to tell you that these ladies are in their 70’s, and 2 of them are virtually housebound unless someone takes them to the grocery store or to church on Sunday. All three of these ladies found a male friend, who would come to their homes to visit. I personally have visited these ladies in their homes, prayed with them and discussed the Bible with them, as well. All three seemed to hunger for the Word and for the fellowship of the church body. Each of these ladies are the matriarch over the families of at least 20 people in their respective households. A number of the people in the church called these lady believers some terrible names, when they found out that they had a man friend who visited at their homes. Day and night the homes of these ladies are busy with their family members coming and going. There is never a time these 70 + year old ladies are alone. By alone I mean when the great grandchildren, grandchildren and children are not at home because, some of them are there 24/7. One especially egregious slander came from a senior deacon’s wife. The deacon had at one time been a pastor. His wife called these 3 ladies whores, without any evidence whatsoever, except that these ladies’ male friend had visited them. I pleaded with the deacon to please make an effort to patch up relations with these church members. The deacon refused, not with words, but with his failure to approach his own wife and repair this breach of fellowship in the body. By the way, the deacon was approaching 80 years old at the time, and his wife was extremely jealous of him, and also refused to accompany him to their houses and apologize for these hurtful words. The wife is now dead and as far as I know, the apology was never offered. The deacon and his wife were mad at me for even suggesting that they go to the houses of these “HARLOTS”, and me suggesting that the deacon and his wife should compromise their sanctified walk with the Lord, by accompanying with sinners. As I said before, I visited each of these so called harlots more than once, and never encountered anything but 3 grateful believers who were very thankful that someone in the church cared. My wife approved of my actions because she trusts me and my personal responsibility to keep myself unspotted from the world. The church approved of me doing so because I was the pastor, (who did not accept a salary, by the way). Being a male minister, am I incapable of committing the sin these ladies and their male friends had been accused of? No, I’m not. Should I please the religious world and separate myself from the world, or should I please my Savior who instructed me to, not only go to lost sinners, but to also go and find the sheep who have strayed. Through this experience it was confirmed to me once again that there is much sin within the church. Sins of slander, jealousy, anger, un-forgiveness, pride, and the list seems to go on and on.
    The Bible teaches personal responsibility for the believer. Again I say, you do not become contaminated by sin just because you breathe the sinners exhaled breath. May God remove the scales from our eyes, and may we finally begin to do what the Lord has commissioned us to do?

    • dantalbot

      you wrote: ” sin is not like a communicable disease that can be caught simply by breathing
      the same air that someone exhales,” If true, then why does Scripture warn about “cast not your pearls before swine lest they trample them under feet and turn and rend you”? Hmmm? Please do not assign new, non-standard meaning to a well-understood word; it bastardizes the King’s English.

      • Clint

        You have no idea what you are posting and you should really make sure that your understanding of the Bible is correct before you correct others. If you understood the Bible, you would realize that Yeshua/Jesus is speaking to the Jews who are gathered to hear Him. You alluded to just a part of Matthew 7:6 and applied it to the Holy versus the profane. What you apparently do not realize is that in that verse the dogs that Jesus is referring to are Gentiles. If you are not a Jew, you are a Gentile. Keep in mind that Salvation was not yet available to the Gentiles, which doesn’t happen until after Pentecost. At this time Jesus had not been crucified. You would do a whole lot more good for yourself and others if you would make sure that you have the Word rightly divided before you comment. When you allude to a verse or teaching and leave out part of it, you take it out of context. That is the way many false teachings are spread around. It harms no one to go slow, check your understanding, and always quote or allude to the complete thought. I wouldn’t want to be guilty of putting words into Jesus’ mouth nor guilty of changing what Jesus did say into something He did not.

        • dantalbot

          Sorry, it isn’t my bible knowledge that is at fault here, it’s the misuse of the King’s English. Giles plainly said “live a profane life”. If YOU knew the Bible you would have to disagree with that. What I CAN agree to is that Christians should be bold enough to enter a profane crowd and preach to them the Gospel (with the exception of admonishment not to cast pearls at swine). It is the heathens who are profane, not the evangelist. Being a sinner who is forgiven is hardly profane by any definition. But if you and Giles want a bunch of profane evangelists running around, please don’t knock on doors around here.

          Oh, and snotty remarks like yours that tell folks they are Biblically illiterate don’t advance the debate at all.

          • Clint

            Dantalbot, I have on my desk a copy of Webster’s Desk Dictionary. I turned it to the word PROFANE and the very first definition of the word is: 1. not connected with religion; secular. That is precisely the way it was used in the article and that is the way Martin Luther used the term. If you do not recognize that there are more than one definition of the word PROFANE, then you sir are the one bastardising the King’s English, which none of us speak in this day and age. My comment above was not meant to be snotty, it was however meant to wake you up to the fact you were quoting Scripture out of context. I f you, me or anyone else is going to quote Scripture, we have a responsibility to quote it correctly and apply it correctly, not quote it out of context to suit what we think it means. Dan, do you realize that when you leave your church building and walk outside, you are then living in the profane world. By the way, I did not say you were Biblically illiterate. That is your description. If you are so sensitive that you cannot stand correction maybe you should do some personal reflection. Everything that I have told you is correct and none of it was meant to belittle you.

        • dantalbot

          You wrote: “You have no idea what you are posting”. And I suppose you do? Silly me, I should have realized that you are the only one permitted to make up an interpretation and a context. Arrogant lad (if you are a lad). I understand the meaning of profane very well. Again, silly me, I thought the Bible advocates holiness, not the banality of, say, a celestial bordello with 72 virgins for Muslims. LIVE a Profane life? Not the same meaning as “coping with profane acquaintances or converting a profane audience”. You probably listen to rap, rock or Christian rock, have never heard an opera or a symphony that you took the trouble to comprehend. Read the libretto to Puccini’s “Gianni Schicchi”. Bruce Springsteen is not BOSS. You are too long-winded to argue with. Goodbye. Go bait someone else. O mio Babino, Caro.

          • Clint

            Please read this post without anger. Thank you in advance. I am almost 70 years old and have been a musician since I was 7 years old, have been preaching, teaching and pastoring churches since about 30 years old. I have been a student of the Bible most of my life. dantalbot, your use of Scripture to prove your point has been used so much out of context by you that in most of the examples the Scripture did not have a thing to do with the subject. That is why I wrote that “you have no idea what you are posting”, not to put you down but to point out that all of us who handle the Word of God must make sure we use it in context. I neither play nor listen to rock of any sort. While I am not a lover of the classical, I can appreciate the talent and skill it takes to play. I do love to listen to classical guitar in the hands of a skilled guitarist.
            In none of my posts have I ever encouraged anyone to live in or participate in sin. You are correct in that the Bible does teach us to be holy for God is Holy(paraphrase). It appears that you do not understand the meaning of profane as used in the article and in my posts. The word profane as used here means anything and everything that is not part of the temple. All Christians are blessed that the Holy Spirit dwells on the inside of us, therefore WE are the Temple of God because of the presence of the Holy Spirit. This same Holy Spirit protects us even when we are in the presence of evil. A couple of examples: 1. When the Lord was confronted by the demoniacs at Gedara, the demons recognized the presence of the holiness of God in Jesus, the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus was in the presence of the profane but He was not polluted by it. 2. When Paul went to Mars Hill where they were worshipping many gods, and Paul pointed out to them that they were even worshipping an unknown god. Paul was definitely in the presence of the profane, yet he was not polluted by the corruption of sin. There are many, many more examples throughout Scripture, but I don’t want to be too long winded. The Christian, whether they be a pastor, missionary, street preacher or simply a member of the flock must go into the presence of the profane when we go to a secular job, when we witness to the lost on the street or when we go to a muslim or buddest country, evangelizing by telling them about the gift of Salvation that is available to them. Each of these examples are living in the profane life, yet they are not polluted because they are filled with the Holy Spirit. To witness for Christ Jesus in reaching the lost requires that we enter that profane place. I sincerely hope this helps explain. May the Lord bless you and yours.
            Clint

  • sovereigntyofone

    or.. 4. Do your best to destroy it. I guess I’m not a ” good ” Christian because I believe that God gave us all a brain to think with. If you find yourself surrounded by evil I just can’t believe that God wants us to just sit on our collective thumbs.
    Just my 2 cents worth

  • Mindy Robinson

    The Lord has everything under control and all is going just as he planned from the beginning. God will insure that we are where we are suppossed to be at the time he need us. Each of us are different, some have charisma and the ability to speak to a crowd, some have resource which they share with the outside world, some have a gift for healing, some have the gift of relating with and teaching children, some are gifted with the talent to write books. Have faith all, each of us, even if our faith is weak, is doing God’s bidding. We do not control this world or it’s govs, nor it ‘s cultures, God does. Have faith.

    • monacall

      I have a lot of faith honey bunny but I for one am not going to just hand over my God given rights to the devil without a fight. You can but I will not, my cheeks hurt for turning them way to much. God bless you and yours.

      • Mindy Robinson

        Honey bunny? Did I suggest handing over our Lord? Nothing in my comment would lead one to think that, quite the contrary, I don’t have the answers, nor do you nor does any human, God does and in that I trust. Knowing the truth of the Father, the Spirit and Christ requires courage these day’s, I speak freely of the truth, even in the face of adversity. I do so because I fully trust God. You are doing what you are suppossed to be doing, as am I , as are other’s. The most courageous would be those who lose their lives to take God’s word to nations which do not hesitate to hunt them down , inprison, torture, maime and murder the. These faithful go knowing they may not survive. We are all doing the will of God, in the way he has planned. Do you question that monacall? Do you think all should do as you say because you think that God is not controlling this? You are doing your part, as are other’s.

        • monacall

          Woohoo touchy aren’t you? No I will fight for my freedoms as my four fathers did for me As some will and as some won’t. God is doing everything the he wants to BUT thanks to Eve. He gave us free will. So my free will is fighting for freedom and the Good Lord. You do as you must. Or as your mission leads you. Whether it be Gods way or not he knows what’s gonna take place.

          • foxxybey

            I agree monacall; Lost my dad after the 2nd WW and Korea, my younger brother to Nam and agent orange, spend 12 years in the Marine Corps protecting this land and would do it again if needed and I can still shoot with the best of men. God Bless and Shalom:

          • monacall

            Thanks foxxybey and God Bless and see you on the firing line.

      • foxxybey

        monacall, do you know what it meant to turn the other cheeks in Jesus day? When a person hit you on the cheek and your turned the other and you were hit again, the person hitting became the offender in Jewish culture. When Jesus was struck he didn’t turn His other cheek, He ask for what reason do you strike me? People have to keep the scriptures in context or it becomes nonsense. God Bless and Shalom.

        • monacall

          Your right I love Jesus ad worship him I would NEVER do anything to hurt his word. God bless you.

          • foxxybey

            You have a blessed night and we will talk again. God Bless Friend:

    • JoJo58

      We DO control this world because it is US that vote for the people in power….oh…wait…you are in the separatist column depending on others to make these decisions and then complain about it when corrupt people are elected, but yet are soooo self righteous. Okay. Got it.

      • foxxybey

        I believe voting is the right of every legal citizen in the U.S, if you lived in Mexico you could not vote in elections as you have to prove you were born there and get a voter photo ID card to vote, wow and here its not a rule? I do know that when God is rejected even in Israel, God always allowed a evil leader to come on the scene and then all the people suffered, will happen here soon and not for the reason’s you think JoJo58 but, because the people have kicked God out of the schools, out of the public square and the public eye, along with the government and courts, so this nation will fall soon and we, all of us asked for it to be that way who fight against God.

  • Knybee

    I’m sensing a little self righteousness within the writer. Since Noah, the talk of the day, was a separatist, would you condemn him? Or do you think that the weight of your judgment of him, seeing as he is condemned as self righteous according to your own words, outweighs the judgment of God? But maybe others aren’t the only ones in need of reflection. For I am well sure that a fine tooth comb going over your own life would produce ripples of error. I suggest that you read:

    Matthew 23:27-28

    “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. “So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

    Matthew 23:1-7

    Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them.”

    These words are directed at the media of our day. Those who can understand this, will. They were called scribes back then and loved to write of and give a show to the sins of others. Be careful therefore who you latch onto lest the same self righteousness that you supposedly abhor, you become part and parcel of.

    • foxxybey

      Can I say, dumb and dumber, get a life and don’t teach what you don’t know.

      • Knybee

        How courteous of you. Is that a scriptural rebuttal that shows your teaching methods? I suggest then that you find some humility before again considering yourself a teacher.

    • Ann Wilson

      I some what agree with you Knybee only that I am not so sure living a Godly separatist life is a sin. Perhaps these people are called to Worship and help and not evangelize. We should use our God given gifts whatever they are and not just serve a certain way because some man tells us to.

      4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

      7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. 1Corinthians 12:3-11
      However I believe you misinterpret the scriptures regarding the Pharisees. They believed you had to live by the law for salvation. They didn’t understand that the Messiah is here and shed His blood for their sins. Jesus however preached about sinning no more and to turn away from our sins. We too are to follow his example and warn others regarding their sin.

      • Clint

        The Scribes of Jesus day had nothing to do with the MEDIA. The Scribes were charged with the copying of Scripture, by hand, because parchment didn’t last forever. There was a need for copies of the Scripture for the different towns and synagogues. When the Scribes were copying a particular section of Scripture, if they made the smallest of errors the whole parchment was discarded and they started over. That is one of many reasons that we can rest assured that the Scriptures were correct as handed down through the years. There were no printing presses and no newspapers. News was spread by word of mouth.

        • Knybee

          What do you think the “scribes” would be doing today? They would just be writers? Then I suggest that you go check out a newspaper. These falsely have come to believe that what they write is the truth. Whether it’s about anything from world news to sports. But according to God He is the truth. That is their disconnection.

          Who were the publicans? Who in this day and age loves being before the public and receiving their affection? Don’t we call them celebrities? Who are the Pharisees of our day? Who are the Sadducees? The “Pharisees believed in a life after death and the Sadducees didn’t”. Go and look and see that this is a good definition of the Republicans and the Democrats of our day. Who are the Sanhedrin of our Day? The Supreme Court.

          These ways of men have been in every form of country and government that has been upon this Earth. Through time these have always been recycling. Don’t be deceived that just because we now have different names for them that they’re some new creatures. Or that they that they act any differently.

          Jesus was well aware that the time now would be the same as the time then. Or do you think that He couldn’t see that far ahead? Do you really think that He was only speaking to those of His own time? Then the God that you think that you’re worshipping must be very small. Open your heart and see. He’s not. He’s well ahead of us.

          • Clint

            You would do yourself a favor by getting a “Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible”, and learn what those Greek words mean in English. While it is true that the word “scribe” in a generic sense can be applied to a copier or writer of secular works, it is also true that the “scribe” that Jesus/Yeshua was referring to were the religious scribes who were very familiar with the “Old Testament (Covenant)” because they were the ones who copied the Holy Scriptures to a new scroll. It had nothing to do with the secular, or what we would call “Newspapers” today. The publicans have absolutely nothing to do with “Celebrities”. The Publicans were Tax Collectors and were hated by the people because they made their living by collecting more taxes than what was owed, and they would keep the overage. I will leave it at that. Get yourself a “Strong’s” and learn to use it, you will save yourself some embarrassment.

          • Knybee

            No, you’re going by the interpretations of those who do not understand prophesy. Nor do they understand the continued workings of this world. The tax collectors are mentioned along with the publicans. How are they then the same group? That’s an assumption. The arrogance of your stating “…you will save yourself some embarrassment.” is proof of your own blindness. Wisdom does not come from study, it comes from the spirit of God. I suggest that you go watch an old movie called “The Song of Bernadette.” Now don’t change the subject and make this about a certain church. This is just my example of your attitude. There is a nun in the movie who believed that through her years of study and diligence she was more worthy than Bernadette to receive the grace of God. You speak the same words and have the same attitude as that nun. Through study you falsely believe that you are more worthy than I to receive understanding or revelation. And it follows that therefore you think that you will teach me. That’s called arrogance. Which is proof of the false path that you’re on. I am not embarrassed to speak what God has taught me. And the words that I wrote will be proven true. Regardless of whether God runs it by you and the “scholars” first.

          • Clint

            You have many more problems with arrogance than anyone I have encountered in a long time. I never once indicated that I think that I am more worthy to receive anything from God than
            anyone else. I was not talking about anything other than correct interpretation of the Bible. Correct interpretation of the Bible requires one to look at the word, whether written in Greek or Hebrew/Aramaic, to determine what the word meant in it’s original use. One does this in a careful way to avoid putting words into the mouth (figuratively speaking) of the Holy Spirit. The Strong’s Concordance is readily available in any Bible Book Store and will greatly enhance your study of the Holy Bible. I assure you the intent of my post was to help you, not to criticize. When you wear your feelings on your sleeve, I assure you, someone will bump them and hurt you.

          • Knybee

            You’re going under the supposition that Strong’s Concordance is also a part of scripture and therefore given by the Holy Spirit. It’s not. Even so, the interpretation of a word is not what I was writing about. You took one word from one sentence and decided that that was the topic.

            What I said was, in any society, kingdom, or country ever on the planet there have been Publicans, Pharisees, Sadducees, a Sanhedrin, Scribes, etc.

            I repeat, Jesus was not only speaking of his time and place. In Egypt, Babylon, Greece, China, etc., there were scribes. Even in Rome at the same time as Jesus. There were publicans. There was a right and a left. There was a high court. There were scholars. They all, with the Jewish positions of authority in His time, share the same nature. The fact is that Jesus knew that these positions of power would be the same in this generation. So that He was not only speaking to those who were there in His time but He knew that His words would be written down for ages to come. So those words were for those then and for those who have those same positions now in this day and age.

            “Get yourself a “Strong’s” and learn to use it.”

            “I never once indicated that I think that I am more worthy to receive anything from God than anyone else”.
            This is what you stated. You’ve studied and therefore you’ve learned. If you say that you have studied and then say to me that I should too, you are telling me that if I only study I will understand like you do. You said nothing about the Spirit of God giving you wisdom but only wrote of your own “learning”. God gives to whom He will. We are not owed anything know matter how hard we work
            or study for it. All His gifts are given freely. “Freely you have been given…”
            If the Disciples were with Jesus on a daily basis and yet were asked, paraphrase, “Do you not know me” then we should be humble enough to admit that no matter how much we “study”, or how close that we think we are to understanding, it is only the free gift of God that opens that door.
            As for wearing my “feelings on my sleeve”? Regardless of what you think you didn’t hurt me. I was not trying to teach you, like you were trying to teach me. I was originally speaking of the scribes. You joined in the conversation and proceeded to lecture me about what a scribe was in Jesus’ day. I then said that you were wrong in your “interpretation”. An interpretation that I had already said was incomplete. That Jesus words were not just for that generation of scribes or that “cast of characters”. I did not ask for your help in interpretation but you then gave it.
            I assure you, that someone who gives advice, or even proceeds to lecture another person without that person first asking for it, is going to offend the other person. Because it’s called being rude. I agree with discourse, and stating what one believes, which I did, but I do not agree with someone then giving a discourse different from the subject written. Which you did.

          • Clint

            With all due respect, would you please tell me where you learned that in all societies there have always been Publicans, Pharisees, Sadducees, a Sanhedrin, Scribes, etc.? I have never heard anyone putting forth that teaching. Man, you are really a hard person follow. Please direct me to the Scripture where tax collectors are mentioned together with Publicans as being different offices, therefore not the same occupation? I will be most grateful because my understanding of the Bible is apparently deficient.

          • Knybee

            It’s in the various sins that men have followed that determine their own Earthly prisons. If I steal then I am bound to that sin as long as God determines, not me. You tell me, in an Earthly prison, is it someone on the inside, a prisoner, that determines a release date for another prisoner? No, only someone who is free and on the outside can do it. It’s the same with the lives that men have chosen to live. So by an individual’s sin men are under a penalty, or a consequence, that can only be commuted by God in His time.

            How did God know that Esau would not please Him before Esau acted? Is that just? It is. Because God knows what’s in our hearts even before we do. Therefore also, those who are in certain professions are revealed to have certain sins that they are imprisoned by. Or do you think that the pandering of politicians in speaking a lie to get elected is somehow not a sin? Is a lawyer who lies for his client not sinning? Is a person in the media who continually goes by his own understanding not guilty of lying? These are traits of the sin that show what that man has become.

            Again, take the way that the scripture describes the Pharisees and the Sadducees. It is not something to be cast away as an aside. It has deep meaning. Like everything else in scripture. The Pharisees believe in a life after death, the Sadducees do not. This is the determination of each of these men as to what they believe in. If they believed what was wrong doesn’t it follow that there would be consequences? That then determines their prison. It’s like that in the deviation of what nature has become. Since sin, there are predators who are predators. They will not change their nature because they are also in that prison until God determines their release.

            The same holds true for men. Or do you think that sin can have some new nature that God hasn’t seen? So if you take a politician in one government and place him in another, he would still act the same way. He may be called by a different name in another government but it’s still the same nature. Because the error is in his heart, not in the government or what he may be called. So God knew that these men and their determinations were nothing new. If you were open minded and placed the words republicans and democrats in place of Pharisees and Sadducees you would understand that in the world these things are. No matter the government.

            You can argue “But they were priests”. It doesn’t matter! Aren’t the politicians of any country preaching their god? Whether it’s the god of government or money or another false god hasn’t this always been done since sin began? Were there not priests of Egypt? But what are priests if not shepherds also? They are leading the people. And therefore Jesus wasn’t speaking to His age alone.

            So what of the scribes? Considering the nature of the scribes of that day, you can see no correlation to the nature of the media now? You say, “But they were only writers of the scripture.” Indeed! #1.) It is God who wrote the scriptures. #2.) They had a nature just like everyone else. This then is their nature as described by scripture, “…but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. “So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. Dead mans bones? Haven’t you heard that “If it bleeds, it leads”? Is that just a coincidence in your mind? Do not the top stories involve the opposite of the good news? If a person is killed they put music behind it, place it as the top story to appear caring but then afterwards rejoice when they win an award for doing so? You may not know their nature but I’ve seen it.
            Now to answer the question of the publicans would take even more time. But suffice it to say they also have a nature no matter what time or season it is.

      • Knybee

        I would that you read my response again. I did not quote that scripture but to the scribes of our day. You are actually adding other scriptures that we also know to be true. Yet “So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.” was not said by Jesus with regards to salvation. It is about their “…hypocrisy and lawlessness.” There’s a difference. In other words, if they were keeping the law at least that would be a form of obedience to God (Though we know that according to scripture what the chances are of keeping the “old law”). But they were self righteous in that they condemned those who did not keep the law but in turn kept no mirror unto themselves.
        I am not misinterpreting the scripture. If you want to understand what Jesus was talking about, all you have to do is watch or listen to those in the media. Whereas there will be exceptions, those exceptions are not the rule. They are constantly condescending to those who are “uneducated” and therefore “beneath” them. Didn’t they do so to Jesus? Don’t you think that they considered Him the same way? Therefore what you say is true. That when we see or hear them do such a thing we should expose it for what it is. A sin. For how can they know what to be aware of if we don’t? And how can they “Go and sin no more” if they don’t recognize it as sin? There are other scriptures besides these that I would point to that also call out the ways of the scribes.

        • Ann Wilson

          10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. Revelation 12:10
          So in what spirit do you accuse the brethren, people you have never met?

          Romans 8:39
          neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

          Romans 16:17
          17 I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

  • NSunkel

    8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. 1Peter: 4-8.
    As a community of Christians, we must love God and love each other – in that order. Even Jesus turned over the tables of the money changers at the temple, so there is a place for righteous indignation. But ultimately, we are commanded to love – even the most un-loveable.
    God’s peace be with you.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Love is an act of WILL, in the context of agape, not the usual warm feeling most think of; and it may not even outwardly LOOK like an act of love! Consider the work of a surgeon removing a cancer: does he work by his FEELINGS or by what he knows to be true about that particular disorder, and take all the bad tissue and some of the surrounding healthy tissue as well, to be certain he’s gotten all the cancer out? That is an act of love on his part, for all it doesn’t look like love to most. Now apply that in the realm of the soul: do we leave a little of the sinful behavior and allow it in, so we don’t hurt feelings? Or do we insist rightly that the sin is anathema to God and it must be repented and then fellowship can follow, both with God and with other members of the Body of Christ? The most loving thing you can do for a person practicing any sinful behavior is TELL him it IS sin and God doesn’t accept that; then tell him what he must do to be saved and healed. To not tell him it is sin, not only leaves his soul in peril, but also puts a negative mark on your own as well.

      • Clint

        Good wisdom sls46. I hope you don’t mind that I shortened it. ;<)

        • sandraleesmith46

          No, I don’t mind, and thank-you.

          • Clint

            Thank you.

          • sandraleesmith46

            You’re welcome. :-)

      • Ann Wilson

        You are right Sandra, although it is not usually received too well even though the message is delivered in love.

        . 8 When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for[a] their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 9 But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved. Ezekiel 33:8-9

        • sandraleesmith46

          I have noticed it’s not well received. But we are called to be the salt of the Earth, and salt is a preservative, but it’s also a purifying agent, going far back in history, and still used as such today; it’s in that capacity that we’re called, not as the flavor enhancer for which most think of salt today. However, salt in an infected place stings like crazy at first, on a physical level, and on a spiritual level as well. In our “instant gratification”, and PC society in which more than half the churches are so afraid to confront sin that they embrace active sinners into the body and fellowship, of all sorts, that isn’t well accepted. But Jesus warned that it’d be unwelcome; He said as they hated Him first, so also we should expect to be hated by the world, and that certainly fits the general responses I receive.

          • Ann Wilson

            I like that point, we are called to be the salt of the earth. The response I often receive is that I am judgmental.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Well, we’re called to be that too, in fact, so if that’s what they tell you, you’re doing it right!

    • foxxybey

      Loving someone doesn’t mean you have to die for them, I don’t hate Islamist but, sure not going to die for one but, will protect my family and self from them at all times.

      • Ann Wilson

        We are certainly called to love our brothers and sisters in Christ. I also know the Word says to love our enemies, but I struggle with that myself. Haven’t been able to bring myself to love Nazi’s that so tormented and murdered millions of Jews and others. I feel the same about Islam. Not only that but I do hate them as they are pure evil. I was not the only one that dealt with this as we see in scripture.

        I hate double-minded people, but I love your law. Palm 119:113

        I hate those who cling to worthless idols;
        as for me, I trust in the Lord. Psalm 31:6

        a time to love and a time to hate,
        a time for war and a time for peace. Ecclesiastes 3:8

        • foxxybey

          Good scriptures Ann and agree, Ecclesiastes is pretty clear that we won’t always have peace and agreeing with the devil is worse yet and Islam is pure evil. We can love our enemies and hope for their salvation but, I don’t read anywhere where it says to lay down a die for their false religion. God Bless Sister and Shalom:

      • SnailTyper

        Christ died for us because He loves us. He didn’t make any distinctions about who He died for – He died for us all.

        • foxxybey

          Read John 3:16, yes He died for the world but read all of it, “whosoever believeth in him, should not perish but have everlasting life”. Important people don’t leave out what they don’t like. So believers are saved but, those who reject Him are condemned already read verse 18-19. God Bless and Shalom:

          • SnailTyper

            I don’t think we disagree.

          • foxxybey

            Sounds good to me SnailTyper, God Bless and Shalom:

  • Ann Wilson

    14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[b]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
    “I will live with them
    and walk among them,
    and I will be their God,
    and they will be my people.”[c]
    17 Therefore,
    “Come out from them
    and be separate,
    says the Lord.
    Touch no unclean thing,
    and I will receive you.”[d]
    18 And,
    “I will be a Father to you,
    and you will be my sons and daughters,
    says the Lord Almighty.” 2Corinthians 6:14-18

    • jzandensky

      Great. Now read the new covenant.

      • foxxybey

        Read the entire Word of God and learn and then teach it both OT and NT as it is the entire Word of God.

    • Clint

      If you believe that you will be tempted above what you are able to resist, then you should not be in a place that you can witness to an unbeliever. However, in Matthew 28:18 – 20 aren’t we commanded to “Go ye therefore……” We are to teach Christ Jesus to unbelievers, making them followers of Christ Jesus and to do that we must go into the harvest field.

      • foxxybey

        I have got to place nice pew sitter would never go, lands where I couldn’t have died for my faith yet, God was with me and saw many that others wouldn’t witness too be saved. God Bless those who allow God to lead.

        • Clint

          Amen Ben.

        • Ann Wilson

          That is exactly what I’m saying. When we go where God leads it is a blessing but we also do not want to go where God is not leading us to.

      • Ann Wilson

        Not all are called to be teachers.

        4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

        7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. 1 Corinthians 12:4-11

    • Judgementle

      Thanks for the input some people who don’t read their Bible will not realize that you input is from the New Covenant.

    • Clint

      Using your reasoning, Paul, the author of 1st and 2nd Corinthians, would never have gone to Corinth because it was filled with unbelievers who worshipped at the pagan temples, having physical relations with the temple prostitutes. This is why Paul admonished the new believers to not participate in those sinful pagan temple rituals. If you will read the 6th chapter of Corinthians again with this fact in mind, it will be perfectly clear to you. We are not supposed to enter into covenants with unbelievers, such as marriage and/or business, etc. We are however supposed to go to where the unbelievers can be found, just as Paul did, for the purpose of witnessing to them about our Savior and what a wonderful gift He has given us. We must tell the unbeliever that the free gift of Salvation is available to them because YESHUA/Jesus already paid the price. To not go to them because they are profane and not in the body of Christ as yet, is to disobey the Word, Christ YESHUA/Jesus Himself. I hope you can see that no one is telling the believers to live in and participate in sin, because clearly 2nd Corinthians 6 makes that abundantly clear, as you illustrated.
      A brother in the Lord.

      • Ann Wilson

        I didn’t say we should hide from society or become recluse. We have to be in the world but not of the world. Yes Jesus was at the watering hole, which by the way wasn’t the name of a tavern. Of course I end up at barbeques and once in a while a burger and beer joint. What I won’t participate in any more is let’s go to Joe’s and do shot’s or a Miley Cyrus Concert. While I won’t sit there and lecture anyone on their behavior I won’t advocate it either. I will witness as the Holy Spirit leads. I also will not condemn others who are not called to evangelize or who feel totally uncomfortable in a similar situation.

        • Clint

          Ann, that was the point that I and others were so inadequately trying to make. I was raised to believe the Christians were to actively avoid coming into contact with “sinners”, unless the contact was within the walls of a church to avoid being defiled. I am nearly 70 years old, and as I aged, the more I realized just how foolish that idea is. I also realized just how prevalent that teaching is within the organized church. I believe that we Christians are to take the message of the Gospel to all who are lost. Thank you for your post.

  • Sylvester Jones

    Speaking about their god, satan.

  • Twitch

    Yes, I agree. So many posts on these and other boards advocating homeschooling.
    That is a form of separation and it will only last as long as the government allows it. Sooner or later they will make homeschooling illegal and after that the only options will be either absorption or infiltration.
    And thinking about, infiltration was the strategy employed by the apostles and the Early Church.

    • digdeeper

      I believe they’re talking about adults that can stand up to the onslaught and counter it, NOT children who have yet to learn truth, wisdom, values, and critical thinking and resistance to the profanity. As adults they will be able to stand up for all this and influence those in their environment.

    • Harvey Melton

      we homeschool, but i know that soon this will be outlawed but until then we will continue.

    • pearl87

      Only someone who has no love for his children sends them into danger and corruption. God gave us children to raise them, protect them, and teach them.Those “Christians” who rationalize that it’s okay to send them into harm for the greater good are failing in their 1st mandate of parenthood.

      • Twitch

        Well, of course we should homeschool while we still can, but we can’t rely on it as a long term strategy because, sooner than you think, they’re going to take that away and the only choices for a Christian parent will be:
        public school, or
        Watching your kids get taken away “for their own good”.

  • Yolantta

    I wholeheartedly agree. It’s time to be bold about who we are as Believers and Who we follow. If others can be bold about what they believe, so can we!!

  • jzandensky

    Amen.

  • Harvey Melton

    jesus was criticised for interacting with the lost.but he didn’t come into this world for those that were spiritually well but for those that were spiritually bound.and still does, it is not the sinner that God hates it is the sin,and only God can excise that sin through Jesus and none other. we as christians need to stand our ground and follow the example of Jesus at all times.Empathy not sympathy, understanding,not stereotyping.

  • gardenSalsa64

    Unlike the totalitarian states that naturally emerge from collectivist systems of thought, those republics that arise from the individualist conception of civilization rely upon the proven principles of morality, liberty, and prosperity.

  • al ferrari

    Ya go guy! Do ya remember the ex minister turned potty mouth comedian Sam Kinison’s last words / conversation with an unseen being during his death? (re: Sam Kinison’s last words) Love ya Doug, but you need to re-evaluate your karma on this post, or not.

  • Savaughn

    Wrong again :(

  • pearl87

    Sure, Doug, go live in the sewer, and don’t you dare get smelly. I believe Our Lord wants us to interact with the “profane” only insofar as we are able to lead others away from it. IMO, you are living proof that contact contamination is a very real danger. In fact, I hope you take a step back soon, before it’s too late.

  • Bible Reader

    The Gospel also tells us to let the dead bury the dead; and to shake the dust from our feet and leave the spiritually inhospitable place; and not to yoke ourselves with unbelievers; and to be separate and touch not unclean things; and to not cast pearls before swine ; and not to give what is holy to dogs; and so on …

  • Fido Shery

    The more centralized control, the more the forces of liberty that enabled prosperity in the first place are extinguished.

  • Teresa Rincon

    Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

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