About the author: Doug Giles

Doug Giles is the Big Dawg at ClashDaily.com and the Co-Owner of The Safari Cigar Company. Follow him on Facebook and Twitter. And check out his new book, Rise, Kill and Eat: A Theology of Hunting from Genesis to Revelation.

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  • BradenLynch

    One more dichotomy: liberals love to spread the wealth around which is nothing more than use of the government for theft to give to those who did not work for it.

    So for violations of the Ten Commandments by liberals we have:

    1. Abortion = Murder
    2 and 3. Wealth redistribution/socialism = Theft / Covet neighbor’s goods
    4. Homosexuality and general promiscuity = Adultery
    5. Environmentalism = Idolatry

    Wow, 5 out of 10, that’s impressively evil and that’s just their official stances.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Don’t forget – Thou shalt have no other Gods before me. To a liberal Govt is
      God or mother Earth/Gaia is God. Anything BUT the “invisible man in the sky”.

    • christianh

      Worshipping money is what…? War is what…? Wealth HOARDING is what…? Making it harder to vote is what…?

      Yes, you need therapy.. Jesus can’t help you…

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        Coincidentally, you arent aware that it was LEFTISTS that:

        fought to defend slavery
        took us to WWI
        took us to WWII
        took us to Korea
        took us to Vietnam
        your post is just so much spittle and stupidity…

        • christianh

          All of that was pressure from business… I would bet that the people who believed in FreeSlave states are now ALL Conservatives…

          So you’re saying if a DEM is in office when a war occurs, it’s his fault…

          What about Iraq and Afghanistan…? You conveniently left those out…
          The others were not to remove a dictator who did nothing…

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            LOL! Thanks, Im done with you. You reek of stupid.

          • pruzoo

            I bet that all the people who “believed” in Free/Slave states are now ALL DEAD! 150 years will do that.

          • christianh

            And if only they weren’t making more to replace them like people who know no better…

  • truxillo

    Jesus said, “You are either with Me or against Me.”…Well…are you 100% with Him (The Word) or against Him?

  • RhondaOR

    More stupidity from Giles. If JEsus was anything he was a liberal. He was not a greedy capitalist you morons.

    • truxillo

      Obviously you have never read or studied the scriptures so don’t show your ignorance.

    • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

      Taxes aren’t charity. Jesus wasn’t liberal or conservative since these are modern inventions. The point is that one can’t be a faithful Christian and be a faithful liberal.

      Please cite passage and verse where Jesus supported any of the following:

      Abortion, same-sex marriage, man’s innate goodness, animal rights, etc.

      • christianh

        Show the passage where he doesn’t…

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          How about,
          Mathew 25: 45, 46
          Genesis 2: 24
          Genesis 1: 20-21

          • christianh

            Genesis couldn’t have been Jesus and anything in Matthew requires “red” text… I don’t have a bible handy…

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Matthew 19:4-5

          • christianh

            Most of what he said was against the OT… Let he who is without sin cast the first stone…

        • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

          Gosh Christian, that was quite a zinger. I might feel foolish except for the fact that you can’t prove a negative.

          Where’d you go to high school… Detroit?

    • immykal

      Seriously? How stupid are you? Have you ever read the Bible? What was Jesus? He and his father were carpenters. They built things for money and sold them to people – you idiot. He was the remodeling contractor or furniture manufacturer of his day you utter stupid tool.

    • Sandy

      Jesus relied and taught self-reliance through HIM, not on the state, you moron….try waking up out of your “hope and change, yes we can” stupor…YOUR lord and saviour, Obugger, is a Soros-backed Communist….WAKE UP….

      • christianh

        Lord and Savior…? I thought he was the POTUS…? Oh yeah, you GOPers are suckers for a nasty line…

        Communism says business has more rights, in case you didn’t know…

        • Sandy

          Kid, what the hell are you talking about….ever read the Communist Manifesto? Obviously not….you are extremely uneducated…There is no “business” in COMMUNISM, brickhead….it’s all things from the STATE…..GOD help us….

          • christianh

            So you’re saying Putin didn’t just pay off all his business cronies with Olympics money…? or that the Chinese don’t control who opens a business…?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You mean the gigantic beurocratic mechanism of the state doesn’t control who opens businesses in America?

            See Coal mines.
            See Lead factories.
            See Oil Drilling
            See Natural Gas drilling.
            See Light bulb manufacturers

          • Sandy

            I AM saying the Chinese control who owns what…there is no freedom, no liberty, only the state

          • christianh

            And I’M saying that’s Fascist…

          • Sandy

            it’s actually communist….

          • christianh

            Similar policies different levels…

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          You mean there aren’t at least a dozen high profile leftists, magazines and new papers that called him the second coming messiah in one form or another.
          Hmm, you must be low-info.

          Communism does no such thing kid. The State is supreme and all else exists for it. An no one on the right said business has more rights you twit.

          • http://www.lizard.com/ NumeroChange

            and another blatant lie from you……Why do you lie everyday?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            ummmm. Ok. You got me. LOL!

          • Sandy

            wow, such an intellectually stimulating response…

          • christianh

            I remember ONE person saying that… Jamie Foxx and he’s a COMEDIAN…

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            David Axelrod are Barbara Walters are two more. You can do the rest of the word on your own.

          • christianh

            So why does YOUR GOP (Greedy old Pricks) keep giving them tax breaks to move YOUR job…?

          • mac12sam12

            The GOP didn’t implement the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Want businesses to stay? Give them an incentive.

      • tr60

        You wouldn’t know communism if Marx smacked you upside the head with a hammer and Lenin slapped on the ass with a sickle.

        • Sandy

          onionhead….I traveled to the former Soviet-bloc to help train their newly liberated countries’ soldiers, especially Albania…YOU are completely clueless as to the ravages of communism…try taking a trip to Albania and see the 750,000 bunkers that still dot the countryside…go look at thenm on Google Earth….the police chief of Tirana, who was also the head of the Special Forces Camp in Zall Herr, Albania, outside Tirana, showed me his ramshackle house where he, as one of the most senior officers in the country, lived in a 2 bedroom apartment that looked like 7th grade engineering on the outside. Their hospital had blood and body parts in the garbage cans…yes, actual body parts – it was unworldly. So when have you traveled and done anything to learn about communism? Oh, that’s right, just another lib/progressive/socialist moron who spouts what his buddies think….

          • tr60

            I was one of the UN monitors, monitoring what was going into Serbia from Romania. As ass-backwards as that place was I was told that Albania was worse by a factor of ten. Yeah, I know about the thousands of bunkers. Romania had quite a few too. What a waste of concrete and effort.

            Timisoara was actually a pretty western city. The apartment I rented was in some respects better than what I had in Redondo Beach. Except for the plumbing. On the whole, no place compares with the good ol’ U S of A.

            Albania’s a poor country, always been. Their problems started long before Hoxha and his mob took over. They slathered the word “communism” on their kleptocracy and it kept the serfs in line. Same thing with Romania. It was run by a crime family. Give them a political theology to justify bleeding the public and it keeps the crowd mollified. They didn’t know what Marx was talking about either.

            Had some interesting experience with Romanian hospitals too. My driver mangled his hand and I took him to the emergency room. It was just a room with a desk, two chairs and a vanity above a sink. When the dr. opened it there was a tin of band-aids..

            One of our guys had a wreck that put his girlfriend in the hospital. They don’t feed the patients, someone has to bring it in. I noticed a G.E. x-ray machine sitting on the outside walkway, covered in snow. They didn’t have parts to fix it so they shoved it out of the way. In the basement, visible through the windows from the street, was a workshop building artificial limbs… out of wood. Imagine Guiseppe putting Pinocchio together.

            Do you think democracy has done much good for Albania?

          • Sandy

            we, as in the US, did not act quickly enough to help the albanians transition to a capitalist system. Downtown Tirana was literally the wild west – more hamburger stands than you could shake a stick at, and that was 95-96 when I was there every two months as the 6FLT Partnership for Peace officer for Albania. The Ponzi schemes that popped up from corrupt bankers, especially shyster bankers that came in from Iran, nearly destroyed them. The Iranian influence there is not good. They have many US ties they are proud of. including GEN Shalikashvili and believe it or not the Belushi brothers. The communist influence is re-emerging there, though my info is dated as I retired in 2006. Albania would be ripe for capitalist infusion if done by truly altruistic people. Cheap labor, but lousy infrastructure. the beaches are as beautiful as any in Europe….I plan on taking my son there when he graduates from college. GOD Bless

  • Ken Hammond

    I’ve had discussions with left-leaning Christians who believe that the Bible sanctions confiscation of the fruits of one’s honest labor by an all-powerful government for distribution to those designated as more deserving by that government, who are often not the same people who would be recipients of private charity. Under the surface, I’ve found that they think of themselves as the rightful recipients of that government largesse. I think it’s safe to say that the all-powerful government would likely disagree.

  • Nixon

    A practicing liberal is not Christian. He must repent

    • christianh

      And YOU are not a CROOK…

      • Nixon

        Um… what??

        • christianh

          But President NIXON was… Maybe you are…

          • Nixon

            Thank you for your reply, we share the same last name but that is all. LOL. I know others with the same name also and are just regular people. I think there was an actress with that name as well. I see you are a Christian too. God bless you.

    • tr60

      God does not intend to judge us until the last day. Who are you to be passing judgements now?

      • Nixon

        God will judge their souls…not me!! Are you crazy? The Bible is the inerrent Word of God. It is very clear what he expects of us.

        • tr60

          I think one of them is not to judge, another is to mind your own business.

          • Nixon

            Thank you for your reply. We must use discernment to know who is committing sin so we can try and correct them. Mind our own business??? No, I don’t want blood on my hands. God loves you.

          • Nixon

            We must use discernment to know who is committing the sin. That would be like judging an action. Like judging who is judging. Mind your own business??? Oh no, then how could I tell them the Good News? I don’t want blood on my hands.

  • Travis Rodenhizer

    Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the flesh.. He was neither.. His mission was not based on ‘politics’.. many of those waiting for the Messiah.. ‘wanted a political savior’ from the oppression of Rome… of whom the Religous leaders of Jesus Days.. (His worst enemies) were in cahoots with.. Some of them came to make Him ‘KING”.. but He walked thru them and avoided them… because it was not His Mission….He was ‘SENT’ TO THE lost sheep of the House of Israel… He was the Appeasement of ‘sin’.. for the Father.. thru His physical death and resurrection from the Dead.. which He did perfectly.. and is now Seated at the Right Hand of the Father.. all thrones, principalities, powers, in Heaven on this earth BEING MADE SUBJECT UNTO Him because He is GLORIFIED NOW.. if Jesus was to be ‘labled’ with one group or the other.. then He would of bowed to Satan in the wilderness temptation..’ then the devil taketh Him up to the peak and showeth Him all the ‘kingdoms’ of this world’.. all these are ‘mine’.. if you will just bow down and Worship me.. ‘Jesus rebuked Him’… and you know the rest of the Biblical account of the Son of Man and His Victory over sin, death, and the devil.. JESUS THE CHRIST.. was neither party… He ‘was sent ‘ to bear the Sins of His people and the World.. not to get caught up in political ramifications… as Moses was used by God to bring His People out of Egypt.. the physical deliverance.. Jesus the Christ was the is the Way and path for ‘spiritual deliverance’ from the kingdom of darkness into the Kingdom of Light and His Dear Son..’…. His Mission was not politics based.. but Salvation Based.. the body soul and spirit.. thru His Atoning Blood..

  • terrenceclarence

    Clearly you know nothing about Jesus. Please read the Bible for yourself, and not what some moron tells you. Jesus avoided all political affiliations. He had a short time to complete what he came to do, and he had no time for the political parties of his culture – the Sadducees, the Pharisees, the Zealots, etc.

    Anyone who tries to attach Jesus to any political philosophy simply does not get it. Pilate wanted to know Jesus’ politics, and Christ’s answer was simple – “My kingdom is not of this world.”
    Please quit playing God. You are not good at it, and the job is taken.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Clearly you either cant read or your comprehension is a little ‘not so much’. In case you missed it, leftist “liberalism” is a philosophy or a theology, not a political party. And the author is correct, liberalism is entirely antithetical to the Kingdom of God.

      • terrenceclarence

        Liberalism is not a theology. Where in the hell did you get that? Fundamentalism is a theology; Liberation theology is a theology; Reformed theology is a theology. Neither liberal nor conservative has any hermeneutical value in regards to understanding the text. The writer is engaging in an eisogesis that places politics above the spiritual. As Jesus said, it is truly “the blind leading the blind.”

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          LOL, you’re a liberal aren’t you.

          • terrenceclarence

            No. I am a pastor and a theologian. Let me make it simple for you. About 150 years ago the Southern Baptist church, along with many other Southern protestant churches, proclaimed that chattel slavery was ordained by God. They had plenty of Biblical references to support their conclusion, and they believed this with all their hearts.
            Several decades ago the Southern Baptist church apologized publicly to African Americans, declaring that they were wrong, and that they had repented for that point of view. What changed? Did God change? Did Christ change? Did the Bible change? No – the politics changed.
            God is eternal and unchanging – politics are man-made, and only as relevant as the time in which they are expressed. That is the difference between theology and politics.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Of course, since it was written, men have used the Bible for his own purposes (good and evil) and the bible has several references to slavery.
            And of course, your point has nothing to do with rebutting mine. LOL, keep it simple indeed.

          • terrenceclarence

            I appreciate your kind words. I am really just focusing on your statement that Liberalism is a theology. The problem is that what is liberalism today has nothing to do with what liberalism or conservatism was in the past or what it will mean in the future. They are just points of view.
            Theology is one’s understanding of the nature of God. We are trying to understand that which is transcendent and eternal, and I don’t think political definitions come close to that. How do you say that God is liberal or a conservative, or God’s Son, or the Holy Spirit? I think only God can say that, and I don’t think God has identified himself with one party or one ideology. Do we really know how we are going to be judged?
            I am an old school Calvinist, and I think all have fallen short of the glory of God. That is why I react viscerally when someone like the author makes such a sweeping judgment about who is “Christian” and who is not. To me this is serious stuff, and I would prefer to leave such conclusions in the hands of Christ.
            By the way, thank you for your service.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “Theology is one’s understanding of ..” No, not necessarily surrounding God. Ours most certainly goes thru the lens of Christian belief but theology can be one’s belief system surrounding their understanding of “being” and their relationship to others. And that totally extends to belief systems such as environmentalism, feminism and secular humanism – which is a very large chunk of liberal doctrine.

            I’m not saying that God is liberal or conservative. I’m saying that the leftist belief system puts them at odds with the written word of God. And I’m talking about the stuff that’s obvious, aside from the God booing at the DNC convention and the militant allergic reaction they have to all things Christian. Abortion, gay marriage, animal rights (usually to be held ABOVE humans and at the expense of), militant feminism, the cult of Earth worship, ends justify the means – which usually means lying their a$$es off for their ends. That stuff isn’t ‘falling short’. It’s outright rejection of.

            And most certainly we are all fallen and fall short. But that doesn’t make our belief systems antithetical to. I curse like a drunken sailor and I’m not always the nicest person. But does that put my belief system at odds? no. the point is that we try, right?
            Thank you. Semper Fi.

          • Sandy

            no, they relied on the Old Testament for their references….even Jesus said that the Old Testament is just that – old….it was really the platform for announcing the Messiah and having people adhere to some very simple rules.

          • terrenceclarence

            Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Hebrew scriptures, not do away with them – that is a far cry from him saying that they are simply “old.” He was a Jew – the scriptures were precious to him, and he grieved how the politics of religion had separated people from a relationship with God.
            It is the worst kind of legalism to reduce Hebrew scripture to a set of rules or a “platform.” Have you forgotten the covenant? That kind of mattered. Have you forgotten that God called his people to become a “kingdom of priests?” That is taking a political term (kingdom) and giving it a transcendent reality.
            I have studied the scriptures all of my life, in Hebrew and in Greek, and I have never once found these terms – conservative, liberal, socialist, communist, environmentalist, Republican, or Democrat. Jesus didn’t even use a moral equivalent for any of those terms. You do not speak for Jesus. You do not speak for God. You only speak for yourself, and every word you speak as an absolute spiritual judgment against others with whom you disagree only judges yourself. You and I are sinners. What makes you better than any other sinner? What gives you the right to decide who is Christian and who is not? Get the speck out of your own eye, before you try to get the logs out of the eyes of others.
            I pray everyday that Christ will forgive me – for the sins I know, and especially for the ones I don’t.

          • Sandy

            TC…one is already forgiven if he believes in Christ for HIS blood was that which wiped away all our sins….what HE did on the Cross wiped out our sins….sounds like you need some lessons from our pastor mcleanbible.org and please spare me the liberal’s rhetoric about judging others – guess what, that is what we are supposed to do in not sinning any more and helping others who are sinners.

          • christianh

            You man like saying thanks with taxes for roads…? Conservative causes are poison for money and hate for respect…

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            WTH are you yammering about? Please don’t yammer to me about leftist opinion. You people are as deep as a ruler and your thought processes don’t typically extend beyond ‘I want it and I want you to pay for it’. Anything else is oppression and hatred, so spare me your mouth foaming.

            Form a coherent thought and get back to me

          • christianh

            Fascism obviously doesn’t mean what you think it does… The GOP is fascist.. They want all power to go to business…

          • Sandy

            sonny, Communism is leftist…fascism and socialism, especially national socialism “NAZIsm”, is leftist, right of communism, but still leftist. Back to Sponge Bob, now…go on now…mommy’s calling you…

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            LMFAO! Yea, I’m pretty sure I have a grasp.
            See: obamacare

        • Sandy

          liberalism, socialism, communism and environmentalism are ALL one religion, …please…they reject GOD and worship the State. and that religion of THE STATE killed 110 million people in the last century…..

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Excellent work. :)

          • christianh

            You MAY be stupid… environmentalism…? GO breathe some soot or drink some coal ash…

          • Sandy

            the environmentalist whackos who would save a 2 inch fish and let all the vegetables in California bake in the fields…..yes, they have a religion…environmentalism, which is a mental disorder…

          • tr60

            Have you any idea how many millions have been killed by Christian hordes that invaded their lands?

          • Sandy

            Christian hordes? wanna name some other than the Crusades? nice try…..

          • tr60

            Spanish Conquistadors… Jamestown “Gentlemen”…Plymouth Pilgrims…Anytime Western settlers moved into new territory they claimed they had God’s right, and gunpowder’s might, to do what they wanted.

            Hitler may have killed 6 million Jews (yeah, and Gypsies and homosexuals and anybody else somebody didn’t like…) but by far the biggest, most prolonged genocide occurred HERE! in North America. It has been estimated that 100 million Native Americans died by violence, disease, starvation or some other affliction brought on by white, Western, CHRISTIAN settlement.

          • Sandy

            TOTAL LIE….there weren’t 100 million Natives living in north America…LOL….why do you liberals always make things up, like Obama saying all women only make 77 cents on the dollar as opposed to men, a stat already proven to be a lie an hour after he made it today…it’s against the FEDERAL law passed in 1963…nice try…..NAZI’s, socialists, fascists, and communists killed 110 MILLION in the 20 century, and they continue to do so in North Korea, Burma, Central African Republic, Zimbabwe, the MAGHREB and SAHEL where Christians are being slaughterd by Islamofascists….get an education….

      • christianh

        You’re crazy… That’s what some guy said.. Who was probably a conservative…

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          mmmm. Well now that you’ve totally rebutted me with your sound argument, I guess I’ll just go oppress someone and kick some kid’s icecream cone out of his hand. /rolls eyes.

        • Sandy

          wow, christian, such an enlighteneing and fact-filled retort….why don’t you get back to your basement – mommy has hot chocolate for you…

          • christianh

            Say something reasonable… Liberalism is what Jesus would promote… Not starving kids unless they scrub bathrooms…

            Not refusing to give health care to the poor… Not blessing the money changers… Not believing in False Profits who worship in the realm of men not the Most High…

            And yes, you have proved the new Godwin’s Law… The longer you talk the sooner a GOPer will say you live in your mother’s basement…

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            *snore* leftist pap.

          • Memphis Viking

            Yeah, Jesus was all about stealing from people to give to other people.

          • christianh

            Who’s stealing from others…? Oh you mean fair taxation of the rich is stealing but fair taxation of the poor is WHAT…?

          • Memphis Viking

            Fair taxation would be everyone paying the same percentage. The left has no interest in fair. Or even an understanding of the meaning of the word.

          • christianh

            How is the government stealing…? Wars for lies…? Tax cuts for people who don’t need them…?

            Oh wait that’s the GOP…

          • Sandy

            Liberalism, that GOD is the State, is NOT what Christ believed in, you pinhead. All poor people have health care…it’s called the emergency room, medicare, medicaid, where they can not be refused. YOU believe in a false proPHet…Barack Hussein Obugger…how old are you, kid?

      • pianobill

        You are right.

        • tr60

          You are wrong?

    • Travis Rodenhizer

      Well Said Terrence!

  • Judith_Priest

    Jesus would *detest* you and the rest of the current fan club, buddy.

    He was the very heart of compassion — you know, everything Conservatives HATE?

    • Travis Rodenhizer

      God is not a respector of persons.. neither is He a respector of those who are wise of heart.. or wise in their own Eyes… ‘labels’.. wont get you anywhere.. when you stand Before Him.. the secrets and intents of your ‘heart’ will be on display.. cause He already ‘knows’ that.. any religious affiliations (sects) divisions of ‘christ’.. or political affiliations will mean nothing..they will ‘NOT’ GET you into Heaven.. you must KNOW Him and have your sins Appeased by His Blood.. many will stand before Him.. swearing and cursing at Him.. saying.. ‘I was a chrisitan conservative… or I belonged to this denomination or that one over there.. or I followed this preacher or teacher.. He’ll check the Lamb’s Book of Life.. and say.. ‘I dont find your Name Written in here’.. away from Me.. I never knew you…. Jesus’s Mission was not about politics… and to attach a Label to Him.. well it just wont work.. He’s MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT.. lol.. You must know Him. .and Understand what He accomplished on that bloody Tree. when they Crucified Him.. unfortunately that has become ‘tradition’ today as man has tradionalized True Christianity.. Jesus warned about that.. its a stumbling stone and Rock of offense to many.. Christ Crucified.. this is not a suprise.. for me…

      • Judith_Priest

        You rock. Very well said.
        I largely agree with you.

        Loved the passion, compassion, and perspective.

        (Ha ha. Now you’re probably dead to the guys here. ;->)

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      You got a little spittle and foam on your chin there.
      You seem a little low-info today.

      • christianh

        No, you can only be nice to jerks for so long…

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          and then what? And then you’ll really unleash your ignorance and rage? Oh wait, I see you’ve already run out of arguments and devolved into calling those you disagree with ‘phychos’.
          BOOM WINNING!

    • Sandy

      no, you obviously didn’t read the article, and, Jesus has his laws which you don’t seem to get…Jesus would detest him? Hardly…you don’t know the heart of the Lord, obviously. Conservatives worship government and your lord and saviour, Obugger. We worship GOD and the Holy Spirit in each man, which leads to reliance and self reliance, not government handouts…..so, how are those doubled premiums and tripled deductibles workin for ya, Obuggerite?

      • Judith_Priest

        Gee, I remember something against “those who love and make a lie.”

        That would be YOU.

        The “doubled premiums” and “tripled deductibles” are RW media fiction. Maybe you didn’t *make* this lie, but you love it and you spread it! I don’t worship the POTUS. Not in the slightest. But he’s a good man, and if you can’t see that, you utterly lack Discernment of Spirits. If you think he’s somehow deliberately EVIL, as many of you have been taught, you’re in REAL danger.

        BTW, I’m not on Obamacare, but it will come in handy after we both retire. We still have a great plan through work, but I have MANY younger friends who are hard-working, now covered for the first time since leaving their parents’ homes.

        You know, I’ve gone to churches here and there over a long long life, and I do NOT remember “self-reliance” as some central important notion in Scripture. That’s RW wishful thinking. That is what C. S. Lewis used to call “Christianity AND …”

        Here’s a TRULY important notion in Scripture that you all seem to pooh-pooh:

        Matthew 25:31-46.

        Y’all are on the wrong side of that one. I’m sure you prefer the “diss list” from Revelation, ’cause it’s lots meaner and doesn’t require you to give a hoot about anyone else, except to judge them.

        But I surely don’t see anything in Matthew 25:31-46 there about the Glorious Sacrament of Self-Reliance. Quite the reverse.

        You guys have managed to create some pompous self-aggrandizing money-mad version of Christianity that seems to have *completely* left out the Jesus part.

        You all just “love” Jesus ’cause you think He’s your ride home from Armageddon. It’s not like you pay any ATTENTION to him, or what He taught or said or did, other than the Crucifixion/Resurrection. As far as YOU folks are concerned, he could’ve just showed up for those. You don’t share His values of kindness and compassion and loving thy neighbor. Not one bit.

        You’re actually a bunch of Old Testament Legalists hiding behind the trusted brand name of a guy who REALLY had the Heart of God. You’ve let smooth talking flimflammers deceive you.

        The Scripture says “Be wise as serpents; innocent as doves.” Y’all have that backward, from what *I* see. It also says, “Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing”, and yet, YOU keep electing those wolves to Congress.

        Pat yourselves on the back all you want, guys. You’re the opposite of what the Jesus *I* met in the Gospels would want anyone who claimed His name to be.

        The Polar Opposite.

        • Memphis Viking

          Funny you wrote ‘Gee, I remember something against “those who love and make a lie.”‘ when practically every one of your posts lies about conservatives.

          • Judith_Priest

            No, it doesn’t.

            It may disagree with the picture your media and churches have painted for you, but it is not a lie.

            You. Have. Been. Very. Expensively. Deceived.

          • Memphis Viking

            You just keep regurgitating the lies your media has been feeding you, and thinking it makes you thoughtful.

        • Sandy

          the POTUS is NOT a good man, he is a communist. Communism is only one thing – BAD. You know nothing of Christianity, obviously, only the self-reliance is by trusting HIM who guides us to provide for ourselves through HIM…you are truly twisted if you can’t see Obama for what he is – he is an evil communist…that’s all, and you’d better wise-up to that fact. We aren’t Old Testament legalists…the Old Testament, as Christ said, was just that…old. Gee, real grasp of the Word you have…YOU HAVE ELECTED THE ULTIMATE WOLF TO THE PRESIDENCY – he was born a communist, raised by two committted communists, his mentors were both communists, and his backer, George Soros, is a committed Marxist in capatalist clothing….you are being duped.

          • Judith_Priest

            Wow.

            And I would say the same to you: duped.

            I’ll be praying for you.

          • Sandy

            and I for you…..

          • Judith_Priest

            Sandy, do you think God created us so we could be obsessed with dividing everyone into factions?

            Is that some part of “Love one another” that I’ve misunderstood?

          • Sandy

            Judith, Obama is the most divisive President in modern history – he wages class warfare at every turn – is that loving one another, pitting Americans against each other? I think not. what do you think all this “inequality in pay” is all about? He and Soros are the backers of the OWS morons – a group of lazy idiots PAID by the Unions and Soros.

  • phillyfanatic

    Two writers before Doug, Malcolm Mugg. and CS Lewis cited material that supports Doug’s contention. Liberalism is an ideology from the Rousseau era on as conservatism is from the Burkean era. Burke cited the foundation was a Biblical God, Rousseau denied that completely. When one compares the spiritual foundations of liberalism and conservatism, there is no doubt that liberalism does not cite Biblical Christianity as its supporting ethos. To a liberal, ideology trumps the Creator.

    • Sandy

      well said….but liberals like judith won’t understand….not the sharpest tool in the shed….

    • Judith_Priest

      Meanwhile, Conservatism, with its support of VAST class differences and unliveable conditions for the human beings who lose the Status Lottery, IS somehow using Christianity as its supporting ethos???

      Don’t make me laugh. “CITING” Christianity and PRACTICING it are often very different things. Diametrically opposite things, often, with the Right Wing Conservatives.

      You may quote all the philosophers and authors you want, phillyfanatic, but 1000 or 10000 philosophers cannot change the fact that Jesus did NOT come to earth to bless a predatory system of vast class differences and heartbreaking injustice and waste of human talents.

      You have bought into the notion that He did.

      What is it Mary says, in the Book of Luke, when she learns that Jesus is coming, not just to HER, but to all of creation?

      (Luke 1:46-53)

      “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
      And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
      For he hath regarded the lowliness of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
      For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
      He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
      He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
      He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.”

      There is NO WAY you can read that and construe it to mean “God prefers the smug and wealthy and powerful; God doesn’t like to BOTHER with the icky little people whose skin may not even be the right color, or whose *language* we don’t like or understand. God doesn’t want people who want to help other people!”

      He has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty.

      THAT is what Jesus is coming to do.
      NOT to bolster the power ambitions of a bunch of insanely greedy and deceptive men who LIVE to make others’ burdens harder.

      I mean, seriously.
      Do you guys ever READ the Bible for yourselves?

      • Memphis Viking

        Where did you get the idea that Jesus came to earth to bless a predatory system where government takes everything from everyone, and gives back just enough for people to slowly starve on, while making the party leaders wealthy beyond imagining? Because that’s where progressivism is heading. Jesus is also against lying, and you tell lie after lie about conservatives and what they believe.

    • Judith_Priest

      Just a quick recap:

      “When one compares the spiritual foundations of liberalism and
      conservatism, there is no doubt that liberalism does not cite Biblical
      Christianity as its supporting ethos.”

      Um … who cares what a group CITEs if they do not OBEY it? Conservatives deliberately *disobey* Jesus, as they not only keep claiming his NAME, but insist that they are the ONLY group that can claim His name!

      What astonishing arrogance. Blood-curdling. If there are any humans left in this discussion, you hear me.

      If YOU were God, and you had the choice between:

      1. rewarding a group who CITES his name as the basis for all their actions, even though they so often do exactly the opposite of his expressed wishes in Scripture, as they somehow manage to acquire vast STACKS of money and other things that used to belong to other people.

      and

      2. a group who don’t mention Him much, but who are happy to be alive, and to have family and friends and food and a roof, and a little left over to help the struggling, and a little work to do …. a group who realize that, down deep, we’re all related. Some of us are brilliant successes; some of us are embarrassing eff-ups. But we’re all one family.

      AND you had repeatedly said to your Followers, and to all, “Love one another as I have loved YOU!”

      … which group would YOU be backing?

      The Lipservicers to whom Money is more important than other lives?
      or ..
      Those easygoing folks who recognize that we’re all in this together, and all try to make each other’s burdens lighter, not heavier.

      Hope this lands on someone sane …

      In a weird way, Love to you all. Yes, even you Cold Selfish Ones whom I like to call rude names. Things are going to be getting weird for everyone. We have ALL been deceived, and all have to accept the possibility that we’ve been wrong. I hope I have the strength of character to, if I see one of you out there wounded and hungry, I will *help* you, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, your friend and mine.

      Whatever our politics.

  • christianh

    Dude, you need therapy… You can’t be serious that the bible has ANYTHING to do with politics…

    But what you’re really saying is that Conservatives changed Jesus’ word to mean “we can treat the least of us anyway we want” and still be true as long as we say it’s because we’re conservatives…

    That’s CRAZY… And why the conservatives sates are poor and stupid…

    • Sandy

      idiot-boy…….conservatives states run by Republicans are the best off….the states run by Democrats are the poorest and have the HIGHEST unemployment and crime rates…..nice try…The founding Fathers were either Christians and/or Deists, but they all agreed that GOD blessed the country into being, or how could such a rag tag Army defeat the most powerful army on the planet. Instead of smoking dope and watching the Kartrashians or Sponge Bob, why don’t you try reading the Federalist Papers, the Constitution, and the Declaration, especially the middle paras of the Declaration as Obugger is commiting the same offenses RIGHT NOW. The laws of our land were Biblically-based, or have you never been to DC to see the SCOTUS? Time to wake up out of your “yes we can, hope and change” stupor – you are backing a socialist in YOUR lord and saviour, Obugger…google “socialist cartoon…1934…Chicago Tribune..” if you dare. There is the plan Obama is carrying out started by Communists back in 1910. So, how are those ObuggerCare doubled premiums and tripled deductibles workin’ for ya? Or are you one of the spongers?

      • christianh

        Since when…? There are several studies that show EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE…

        The only Red state that isn’t “underwater” in tax revenues is Texas… And ONLY because they canceled more of their programs for the citizens…

      • christianh

        Oh yeah, saying OBugger means you have no actual argument, just hate in your heart…

        And perhaps YOU should read the Articles of Confederation which were replaced by the Constitution to give more power to the federal government…

        • Sandy

          and the Bill of Rghts was pushed by the Anti-Federalists which gave us more freedom from the likes of what the Founders knew was coming…Obugger….now, go finish your homework or you won’t be able to stay up to watch cartoons…

          • christianh

            So now they were fortune tellers…? Why didn’t they see the Tea Party…?

            I’m a grown six figure software developer and you should get your GED…

          • Sandy

            Yes, the Founders planned for idiots who would abuse their power. They were the smartest group of individuals ever assembled on the planet at one time, and JFK said as much as well. They had just won a war with GOD’s help against a tyrannical king, remember? The Founders put in place measures for people like the Tea Party to fight back against this out-of-control neo-socialist government – government by exec order. They would be immensly proud of the Tea Party; hence, it’s moniker. You are a “grown six figure software developer”….sure you are…you have the writing skills of a 6th grader from public school and less history knowledge…..so what’s your real story, eh?

          • christianh

            Please, we won using guerilla tactics… Or did I miss where Jesus was loading muskets…?

          • Sandy

            Guerilla tactics, developed by Nathaniel Green and Francis Marion, helped to wear down the Redcoats and disrupt their supply lines as well as pin down forces in the South. We still had to beat them with conventional forces, which we did with the help of Divine Providence. The British Generals were arrogant, and that was their weakness. Only 3 percent of the colonists fought in the war, and only 20% of the populace was solidly in favor of war in the beginning.

        • John W Tobin

          Beyond Article 1, Section 8, the federal government has no authority. And the Anti federalists demanded the Bill of Rights to further chain down the government and define the Rights of the People and the States.

      • Judith_Priest

        Sandy, remember that thing in Scripture (Do you ever READ Scripture?) that says that the Lord finds “those who love and make lies” to be abominable?

        THAT gets mentioned a WHOLE lot more in the Bible than Sodomy does!

        Why aren’t you upset about THAT abomination? Why aren’t you fearing for the eternal souls of Liars?

        You’re not.
        You’re just spreadin’ the lie.

        If you’re a Christian, the fact that you’ve been manipulated into angrily spreading lies ought to BOTHER you.

        • Sandy

          YOU are being manipulated by Obugger…you voted for the color of his skin, not for the content of his heart…pretty racist. YOU are spreading the communist lies of Obugger…you have no stomach for Christ as you worship Obama…you are the spreader of lies…better wake up…

          • christianh

            You are a skank… I would never call the POTUS names like that, you DIXIE TRICK…

          • Sandy

            I’m a male, you pinhead…and by your name calling, you proved you just lost the argument as you present no facts and no arguments…back to your basement, now…

          • christianh

            No, you’re a little whining bitch boy… And once again have proven the level of your discourse… My basement may be bigger than your whole TRAILER…

          • Sandy

            aaww, what’s the matter, didn’t mommy give you any marshmellows in your hot chocolate? Back to your X-BOX, now….

          • christianh

            I want to beat your face in for your disrespect… And I only play PC games… CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS right now..

          • Sandy

            tsk, tsk, tsk,..oh, violence? how un-liberal of you…..the only beating you could do would be to your pillow after you finish biting it from worrying about the monsters under your bed….

          • christianh

            Perhaps, but I went Airborne a long time ago… I almost went Ranger but didn’t want to change MOS’..

          • christianh

            If you said that near me, I would have to call you an ambulance…

          • Sandy

            no, I’m always kind to animals and little kids….like you….

          • christianh

            Too late now… Never see me…

          • Sandy

            why don’t you get a real picture up there instead of the joker….just a suggestion…

          • Judith_Priest

            I don’t worship Obama. I can just see him as a man, a person with virtues and faults, strengths, weaknesses, a family, a good education, a (VERY important to me!) middle class background showing that he hadn’t always had everything handed to him).

            He would have been the more-appealing candidate no matter what. Where do you poor things get “worship”?

            And hey, I *do* like the “content of Obama’s heart.” Ever see him with kids? Ever see him with old people? He listens. He pays attention. He doesn’t act like he’s slumming (like many previous presidents & candidates.)

            I like his calm deliberate way of speaking. I like a lot of his ideas.

            Oooooo!!! How *awful*, huh?

            I am sorry you are so angry and afraid. Really.

          • Sandy

            Judith, I believe you are probably a pretty good person, but you are so very wrong about this guy. He was purposely groomed for this position – ever seen the Manchurin Candidate? It is him. Why have we never seen his transcripts? Why did it take four years to find his birth certificate which was in all likelihood forged; that aside, HE identified himself as being born in Kenya in his Harvard Law Review bio. Why did the media not vet him? They were caught up in his skin color, and I and other Tea Party people could care less about that – I care what he stands for – I wanted Allen West, btw. He is a gifted speaker, but can’t speak extemporaneously without a teleprompter because all is scripted. He is kept on vacation contiuously so as not to talk to the press – even they are crowing about it. He has lied at every turn, saying he would half the debt and has almost tripled it. He lied about ObamaCare. He is destroying the military by relieving officers that don’t agree with him. His parents were both hard core Marxists – his father a leader in the Mau Mau Insurgency in Kenya which I studied as part of a military insurgency history course. His mentor, Franklin Davis, was the editor of the Star, a Communist newspaper. His REV is a black liberation theology proponent. The man who brought hm into politics, bill ayres, is a hard core Marxist who is a convicted domestic terrorist and ghost-wrote his book, Dreams from My Father. You like what he does with kids and old people? What politician doesn’t? He has used the IRS to target conservative groups, or why did Lerner take the 5th TWICE – she is scared to tell the truth. Benghazi is going to make Watergate look like child’s play – 4 good men died, and the Officers that tried to rescue them from the Special Forces operators in Triploi to the carrier battle group that was off Libya were all relieved of command – two DELTA operators got there after hiring their own plane! Why is he governing by executive order and illegally by-passing Congress SEVERAL times for his “already established law” (Obamacare)? He knows the media will back him and not criticize him – even Cheryl Attkisson of CBS News had to quit because the WH didn’t like what she was doing in investigating Benghazi. He is carrying out that which was started decades ago, and Khruschev in the 50’s predicted it as did members of the Socialist Party in the 30’s. If you don’t believe me, google “1934 socialist cartoon Chicago Tribune”….it’s the plan that communists have been slowly and incrementally achieving for years…he is the right person, a trained speaker, with the right backing, at the right time in history. Yes, it CAN and IS happening here. I’ve been to the former Soviet-bloc and to Albania and heard their horror stories, and they all sound exactly like what is happening here. GOD Bless.

    • El Mac

      …and why is Kalifornia broke? Oh….doesn’t quite fit your paradigm does it now?

      • christianh

        WE now have a SURPLUS thanks to liberal policies…

        • El Mac

          A surplus of leftism and taxation. And thats why the population is going down in Kalifornia, excluding the illegal influx of course. House of cards….

  • Revere

    A fact free opinion piece. BTW, Jesus was a liberal. Just ask the Pharisees of his time.That is fact, not opinion.

    • Memphis Viking

      Semantic argument. As I’m sure you’re aware, the classical definition of ‘liberal’ is not what today’s liberals are.

    • Don

      I wasn’t aware that Jesus was in favor of abortion and homosexuality like the liberals are. Could you tell me where that is written?

      • christianh

        Jesus was about minding his own business and treating everyone the same… He had nothing to say about either..

    • Pilgrim

      You need to learn the difference between “facts and opinions”.

      The authors use of the word “liberal” is obviously intended to mean someone who leans left here in the present day United States. There is no indication at all that he is referring to someone who is truly liberal, which modern left leaning folks are not. Jesus was in no way in favor of modern leftist principles. Principles like: its a woman’s choice to murder her unborn child, the modern perversion of marriage, etc. Jesus was liberal, but not “a liberal” in modern political use of the term.

    • Wisesage

      Yet, Christ didn’t advocate taking everything people have, in the name of socialism, to force His principles on all. A liberal in those days does not equal the ones in these – go back 50 years to see what a liberal John F Kennedy believed when he spoke…you’ll see a stark contrast even over the last few years!

      • Judith_Priest

        Oh, dude … it’s not the Socialists who will end up taking all you have.

        It’s the guys you are supporting.
        You poor thing.
        Ay …

      • Revere

        JFK was not a liberal in the political sense,

      • John W Tobin

        Well said.

  • rockcut

    To try to tie if one is a Christian to any political party is complete nonsense. To even hint or outright claim that only conserativbes are Christians and all others are evil is alsol lazy thinking. Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser’s and render unto God which is God’s.

    • Ricarrdo estavans

      I am an agnostic at best and I am a true conservative. I agree with you. However let us not battle our fellow conservatives. We are all attempting to fight the good fight. Lock and load.

      • John W Tobin

        You should not use the term (Lock and load) around liberals. You might scare them.

        “If you believe it reprehensible to possess the means and will
        to use lethal force to repel a criminal assault,
        how can you call upon another to do so for you?”
        — Jeffrey R. Snyder
        American attorney, author

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          Great statement by Mr. Snyder. You would think that would be common sense. I copied it and will add it to my quiver.

          • John W Tobin

            I got that yesterday via “Liberty Quotes”. I’m on their e-mail list.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            Mr. Tobin you are a groovy cat.TY

          • John W Tobin

            LOL!! Thanks!! :-D

    • runnindeer

      The author didn’t try to imply that with this article at all. Please read my post above yours.

    • Eagles_76

      No it’s a FACT. Liberals are not Christians but they are C-roaches of the earth that need to be Exterminated. Liberals only push Socialism, Communism and only believe that the people live by the leaders rule. Liberals are DOGS of the world PERIOD.

      • christianh

        So what do we do to people who abuse the poor and women and the elderly and the infirmed…?

        • Wisesage

          You mean, like all over the world in third-world countries? We’re already giving away loads and loads of our money…guess all that’s left to do it pray for them.

        • El Mac

          …and the children murdered by your Godvernment? I say we indict them, prosecute them and put them away for a very very long time.

          • christianh

            Perhaps you should look up the word murder… It’s a legal term…

          • El Mac

            You are right. Exterminated is a better choice of words. Thanks. :)

      • rockcut

        The thinking you put on display is scary and lazy. To claim that everyone who does not agree with you or vote the way you do are Croaches and need to be exterfminated. That is such an unreasonalbe point of view. The vast majoritry of Americans are not Socialist or Communist. So again youj thinking is lazy. It appears you are ranting in a very emotional hateful way. It is sad to see such hate from a fellow American.

        • Judith_Priest

          Another boy who gets all his ideas and all his passion from Rush or Glenn or Sean or Bill or Alex …

          … sigh … you know, making idols of broadcasters is still making idols.

          • rockcut

            your post went right over my head for the people you mention I would not waste my time listening to one word they say. They are all snake oil salesmen.

    • Brian_R_Allen

      …. Render Caesar’s unto Caesar ….

      I believe you’ve missed the point.

      It’s ALL God’s! As is every body.

      Including Caesar.

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    Did Thom “schit stain” Paine Jr. die? Or his altar ego Friend of Thom “schit stain” pain die. Where are those two morons?

  • runnindeer

    After reading the comments from most all here and re- reading the article, I have noticed what I have expected from other post is a fact with this and I would have to say now, probably most all of these post. The majority of the posters on Disqus don’t actually read the article in total if at all and if they do they fail to get the whole concept of said article.
    This article isn’t trying to put Christians into a political box as some seem to think. The author makes a good point in saying that liberals now are trying to regulate the Bible to a place where it is viewed as obsolete and is only to be seen as a museum piece. ( That is a fact). The author believes that liberals have been completely brainwashed by agendas that push forth such unscriptural ideologies and beliefs that liberals would be liars and hypocrites to try to say they follow GOD’s teachings from the BIBLE. ( Again a fact)
    That liberals believe that they can tear out what they dislike about GODS laws and reinterpret those with their own kind of righteousness. ( Again a fact)
    Absolutely no where does this author say or imply that Jesus was or is a liber al or a conservative nor does the author try to put forth a political agenda from the Bible.

    • christianh

      But Conservatives want to change what Jesus said… And change how we separate the bible from government…

      The GOP will cherry[ick to fit their agenda… You NEVER hear Nancy Pelosi or any other DEM pol talk about the bible when crafting legislation…

      • runnindeer

        No , the Conservatives aren’t trying to do that and the GOP certainly isn’t. That is from your own imagination and your opinion. Maybe what you heard from others?
        Conservatives now are working to live as close to what is actually in scripture, and those who are not of religious persuasion still hold more views in line with family values and what is upheld in scripture than liberals could do because they , liberals, support what is definitely said to be sinful and anti scriptural.
        Nancy Pelosi calls herself a ‘Good Catholic”. Note I said she calls herself that. According to Priest and the Pope, she is not and she actually should not be allowed to receive communion because of her stand on abortion and forced birth control.

        • christianh

          Sure they are… Jesus would tell the ones passing anti-gay legislation that he with no sin can cast the first stone…

          ACTUALLY IN SCRIPTURE is garbage.. That’s like trying to live like the people who settled the West 200 years ago…

          And it proves what I said because NONE of the GOP Platform is ANYTHING Jesus would support…

          • El Mac

            “NONE of the GOP Platform is ANYTHING Jesus would support…”
            Oh, but he would support the murder of children eh?

          • christianh

            A FETUS or EMBRYO is not alive, you freak… Doctors will not perform abortions after a certain time…

            What about the HUNDREDS of children who can feed themselves that are MURDERED by YOUR 2nd Amendment rights…?

          • Lynx Eye

            You’ve heard of Kermit Gosnell, right? Medical assassins like him and his ilk will commit abortions regardless of the age of the embryo if there is a demand for it and they can get paid. Abortion, in case you weren’t paying attention, is an ELECTIVE procedure. Those who can’t pay are ignored. Abortion, like many cause celebres of the left, is about cold hard cash, no more, no less.

          • christianh

            You’ve heard of Christie, Reagan and Nixon.. Criminals all… Does that mean every GOPer has committed crimes… Oh and how about the war criminals, GWB et al…?

            Or how about the GOP pol who was caught fraudulently voting twice – who was caught.. Does that mean you all try to vote more than once…?

            Or how about Bachmann, and Boehner under investigation for campaign fraud…? Or the fact that a Republican owns the lying Fox news which can’t even be called news in certain places…?

          • El Mac

            If a fetus isn’t alive, why abort it?
            How about the hundreds of children, nay, thousands that are alive today because of the 2A?

          • Camden

            Sin is sin… Jesus said that if you break one of the commandments, you’ve broken them all. The commandments are there as school master. His finished work on the cross is the only remedy for our sin. I wouldn’t support polygamy either, that is Adultry. I don’t condone Fornication either. All forms of sexual sin.
            So you don’t think Jesus would support the Sanctity of Life? You don’t think He would support smaller Government? You don’t think He would support traditional marriage?

        • Judith_Priest

          Jesus talked a LOT more about helping the poor than he did about “upholding family values”.

          He certainly talked a lot about our responsibility to love (and care) for one another like kin, no matter what.

          MANY things we humans do are sinful and anti-scriptural and bad for us or whatever, but we do not seek to remove our fellow citizens’ choices about all of them.

          Because we’re not Saudi Arabia.

      • Memphis Viking

        Really? Nancy Pelosi talks all the time about how her Catholic faith influences what she does.

        • christianh

          Faith is a concept… GOPers use actual quotes from the bible…

        • John W Tobin

          Pelosi is a total idiot, and a democrat. But I repeat myself.

      • Wisesage

        How, exactly, do Conservatives want to change what Jesus said? That’s new to me.

        • christianh

          Let he who is without sin write the first discriminatory legislation… I mean cast the first stone…

          The church is NOT in a building…

          It woudl be easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle…

          And I guess throwing the money changers out of the temple was a friendly thing…?

          How you treat the least of these is how you treat me…

          ALL TOTALLY OPPOSITE THE GOP PLATFORM…

          • Wisesage

            I think you don’t understand conservatism, and that’s the problem. While conservatives have been given a bad rap on their views on keeping their earned money, nothing in the Bible supports the liberal stance to take it away from them or from anyone to the extent that our current government does.

            The rest of the points you make above are silly, at best.

          • Revere

            How about “Love your neighbor as yourself” ?

          • christianh

            TAXES ARE A PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT… Unless you mean they are actually TAKING people’s money…

          • Lynx Eye

            We are to give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, too. THat doesn’t mean we can’t petition for those in government to live by the same laws we “peons” are supposed to, does it? Nor does it mean we can’t petition for redress when the tax burden becomes too great. It is not right for those who make poor life choices to expect everybody else to finance them in idleness through confiscatory taxation. The Scriptures make it clear that those who do not work shall not eat. Able-bodied people have no business living off the system when they are perfectly capable of leaving their Playstation for a while and doing honest work in the REAL world.

          • El Mac

            Can George Soros pass through the eye of the needle? What about the multi-millionaire Dark Lord Obama?

          • christianh

            Dark Lord… I’d stomp your guts out in person for that…?

            Soros needs to work that out…

            From the return Mr Obama filed in 2012, he’s only worth about $3M and that’s only because of book sales…

            I guess he could have gone with a for profit firm but he became a teacher…

          • El Mac

            Stomp my guts out? A violent leftist. Imagine, shocking. I’m pretty scared about right now. Only $3 mil for a pack of lies? A teacher? You mean rabble rouser.

          • christianh

            Yes, that’s my Secret Service impression.. You appear to be a threat to the POTUS…

          • El Mac

            A threat to POOTUS? Thats laughable. I hope the Dark Lord retires and lives to be a ripe old leftist back in his home country of Kenya, where he can watch on the side lines while America reverses course and rebuilds a once great nation. I would hate to have every other school and highway named after his jug eared musloid brotherhood self.

          • Camden

            Man, you have no idea…
            “He who is without sin cast the first stone” (we are going to be reviewing these scriptures in CONTEXT)
            Jewish law stated that both perpatrators of Adultry were to be stoned. When the men brought the woman to Jesus, He asked, “Where is the man?” Because they were “following” the law as they saw fit, He told them “Whoever is without sin, cast the first stone”. (sidenote: I am going to ask Him what He wrote in the sand that made them all leave from the oldest to the youngest in order… I think it was their names and their sins. What do you think?). Then He told her, “Go and sin no more”.
            True, the “Church” is the body of believers, not a building. The word in the Greek means “Ones called out to assemble”. Christ is the Head, and the Church is His Body. No “church” or denomination has “cornered the market” on salvation. Jesus said, “Whoever believes in Me, will not perish”. Church buildings and denominations are just where the Body of Believers meet and fellowship, to do outreach as the Hands and Feet of Jesus, and spread the Good News of His finished work on the cross.
            Rich man/camel through eye of needle: Jesus wasn’t saying that rich people won’t make it into Heaven. Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart. A misquoted verse is “Money is the root of all evil”. It actually says, “The love of money is the root of all evil”. The rich young ruler was being tested by Jesus. The rich ruler claimed that he had kept all the commandments, therefore he should be “good to go”. Jesus knew where the rich ruler’s heart was and that is why Jesus told him to sell all he had and give it to the poor. The rich young ruler loved his money and wealth more than the Lord.
            Throwing the money changers out: There is nothing wrong with changing money. What the religious rulers were doing was; Stealing from the people by making up their own exchange rate. The people came to give their offerings and the temple “priests” were telling the people that their Roman money was no good cause it had Ceaser’s image on it (the whole “no graven images” thing) So the priests were telling them they had to exchange Ceaser’s money for “temple approved” Hebrew money. But they were burning the people on the exchange rate.
            On top of that, the people were bringing sacrifices to the temple, but the priests were claiming that their animal was “blemished” and couldn’t be used. In the Hebrew system of forgiveness, you had to sacrifice a lamb, turtle doves, etc. to be forgiven. So the priests were telling them, in essence; “Oh, you want to offer this lamb, well this lamb is blemished or unclean. But I got a “temple approved” lamb right here that I can sell you. You just trade in your lamb plus a few denari and I will get you that forgiveness you’re seeking”. Jesus said that His Father’s house is to be a house of prayer, but you have turned into a den of theives.
            Treat the least of these: (And this one gets thrown around by the liberals/democrats all the time). Who was Jesus talking to when he said that? Who was He talking to during the “Sermon on the Mount? His disciples. Sure there were droves of people around Him all the time, but He more often than not was addressing the 12. Did He say, “Government should take by force money that you earn, so that they can dump it down a bottomless pit called the ‘war on poverty’? No of course not. You see, good works will not save you. Good works are a symptom and indicator that you are saved. Us Christians are compelled out of love and compassion for others, just as Jesus was/is. The NT tells us (the Church) to care for widows and orphans. None of the gov assistance programs were needed until the depression. The Church was holding it’s own, helping those in need before that. But such a large portion of the country was impacted, the Gov stepped in and started entitlement programs. Even FDR had envisioned them as only being temporary, (and you know what Reagan said about Government programs) but the Dems prolonged the Depression through legislation that made the economy worse. What did they do? They raised taxes on the rich, to help pay for the programs. Also, and this is where the decline of this country started, the Church being overwhelmed with the increased need, coupled with the drastic decrease in tithings, could not do much and just threw their hands up and said, “The Gov can take care of them”. As the century progressed, Christians and people as a whole got more selfish and with a non-giving Depression type precedent, the Church found it more and more difficult to keep up with the demand. Though Churches and other Charities help with billions of dollars a year around the world, it’s never enough. Evidenced by the trillions of dollars spent on the “war on poverty” and the poverty rate and food stamp numbers are at an all time high. Our family and local Church are compelled to help those in need out of love, and we are doing what we can. HOWEVER, there is accountablity. We don’t throw money at the problem. Help comes with certain conditions. We are not going to continue to finance a drug addict, if they refuse to get help and change their ways. We don’t sit blindly by and allow people to game the system or defraud us either. What us Conservative Christians are against is fraud, waste, and abuse. The guy outside walmart selling EBT cards at pennies on the dollar so he can have booze and drug money. “100 dollar card for 70 dollars”
            The Conservatives don’t want to blindly throw around hand-outs. We want to give people a hand-up (the teach a man to fish thing). Lower taxes, especially corporate, eased regulations, and the disbanding of unions will crank up the factories and manufacturing plants around this country. That means jobs, jobs mean a future. A future for all… Oh, and a strong dollar.

          • GramE

            You do really read the bible. Matthew:19:24 “camel to pass thru the eye of a needle.”

      • edc

        No, because if they did they would NEVER try to implement most of all the legislation that they have come up with. Most of their legislation is based on “feel good” NOT “do good”. Taking what someone else has earned and giving it to someone (or yourself) that has not earned it , IS WRONG in any moral society.

        • christianh

          So getting 13 MILLION people insurance is not “DO GOOD..?” Passing legislation to FORCE COMPANIES TO pay their employees a living wage is only “feel good…?”

          Who is taking from others…? Oh yeah, while they stash billions overseas you’re happy as long as you can blame the DEMs who want to tax them FAIRLY on their income…?

          No wonder the GOP states have the highest rates of illiteracy.. Reading would give you insight and mean you can’t vote GOP…

          • Kenneth Kirkham

            It seem you actually believe the lies you repeat. !# million get insurance…please. The real number is less than 1 million but you will not research that.

          • christianh

            So the insurance companies are lying about how many new policies they wrote…

            Boy are YOU stupid…

          • El Mac

            So they remove insurance from 50 million to give insurance to 13 million. Beautiful. More Common Core math from the Godvernment.

          • christianh

            My god, you nasty LYING VERMIN… FIFTY MILLION…? I guess next month it’ll be 100 million…

          • El Mac

            Truth….truth is a pesky little thing isn’t it?

          • 19gundog43

            That is not doing good it called Social Marxism smart guy.

          • John W Tobin

            Where in the Constitution is the federal government given the Right to mandate that people buy insurance or to create a minimum wage? Where does it get the Right to take from you or me the fruits of our labor to give to those who can not afford insurance, refuse to work for it, or come to this country illegally? All of this is done via the threat of violence against us if we do not comply with the state.
            Why did you omit anything about DEMS who stash billions overseas? And the four richest people in this country are democrats. It was progressive democrats who gave us the unconstitutional, foreign owned federal reserve and it’s collection agency the IRS. Which has stolen trillions of dollars from this country and We The People. Since then only two presidents have tried to do something about that, or pay it any lip service; Kennedy (democrat) and Reagan (republican), and they were both shot for doing so. People who put their unbridled faith in either of the two political parties the NWO has given us, without historical reason show nothing but ignorance.

          • Lynx Eye

            What percentage of taxation do you consider “fair,” for the rich or anyone else for that matter? When people who work at jobs in non-executive positions have to struggle to pay their tax burden AND put food on the table, i have to wonder what you are really trying to protect. The lavish lifestyle of politicians of both parties which view government “service” as a sinecure and live high off the hog on the taxpayer’s dime, perhaps? Riiiight.

        • Judith_Priest

          That “feel good” versus “do good” meme there … that sounds a LOT like something you heard some Radio Host say, and you thought, “YEAH! I get that!”

          Try making your own thoughts some time.

      • El Mac

        No, but they constantly refer to their god, Marx and his manifesto. The left constantly want to replace God with a Godvernment.

        • christianh

          SEPARATION of CHURCH AND STATE…

          • El Mac

            Yes, exactly….supplantation of church with a state godvernment.

          • christianh

            What…? Was that English…?

          • El Mac

            Yup, the best kind. The kind based in truth.

          • Lynx Eye

            THAT, sir, is NOT in the Founding Documents. It was written by a Founder in a letter when he refused to involve the government in an internal church fight. The first amendment not only prevents the forming an exclusive church all must belong to (which is a good thing, else we could wind up with a Concordat or Sharia) it also protects the rights of religious folks and non religious folks, to worship, or not to worship, as they see fit. It’s intended to keep government in meddling in religious matters, not the other way around.

          • christianh

            This is the EXACT TEXT…

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

      • GramE

        Pelosi and the Dems don’t understand anything about the Bible. If they did, much of their legislation would for the betterment of ALL.

      • ezekiel22

        Bull

  • tom cook

    There are many of us who blow off the biblical mythology and the so-called Christ and all of the ridiculous made-up foolishness such as transsubstantiation and virgin birth and heaven and hell, but our moral playing field is firmer and clearer than the majority of Christians and almost all muslims and all the rest of “believers” who need some supernatural tale to guide them. We disdain the liberal lack of any semblance of morality way more than god-fearing folk. Right and wrong are very clear to us and the wrong includes homosexuality and the theiving democrats in our Congress almost all of whom steal with alacrity believing they deserve any unearned gain.

    • christianh

      Thieving Democrats…? What is Cheney’s Halliburton.. or Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital or Ailes’ Fox News… I guess you figure a useless book of lies is not stealing (Palin has one, etc)…

      • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

        Ah yes, that Detroit public school education shines through again. I know that makes things tough for you, but please try to pay attention: Halliburton, Bain capital, etc, aren’t members of congress.

        • christianh

          Right they just buy Republicans… Right now the GOP is running Detroit…

          • johnnywood

            Idiot.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Let’s hope so. The democrats have run that once great city into the ground.

          • Revere

            Not if you know history!

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Then please correct my misreading of history.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Hmmm… then have a look at this: http://www.freep.com/interactive/article/20130915/NEWS01/130801004/Detroit-Bankruptcy-history-1950-debt-pension-revenue

            Compare that with Detroits government… which has been solidly Democrat since 1962, and these data would suggest I’m right and you’re wrong.

          • christianh

            Detroit happened because of OUTSOURCING… Romney’s Bain Capital SPECIALIZED in it…

            Just as most right leaning businesses… They closed the factories and moved to cheap places…

            So I guess you support tax breaks for businesses who build factories here…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Got a source for that? The source I posted says quite simply their debt to revenue ratio skyrocketed.

          • christianh

            Less revenue does that… As population increases so does spending… Just like with business… The more customers the more they have to spend…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Well, you clearly have no interest in the facts, since you didn’t bother to look at the data. The data clearly indicate that the revenue is basically flatlined while spending has increased exponentially. Of course you would’ve seen this if you’d bothered to look. Obviously you have no interest in the facts, only your own warped perspective.

          • christianh

            Freep.com…? Give me a break… get it from the budget office…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Oh, I see, in addition to having problems with factual information, you have a problem with logical fallacies. That one is called the genetic fallacy. You should look it up.

            However, since you have a pretty lousy history of actually following through and looking information up, I’ll provide the definition for you. The genetic fallacy is when somebody erroneously attacks the source of information when the information is true.

            In other words, the source of the information is irrelevant. The only important thing is whether or not the date is true. Are you saying that the source is using erroneous data? If so, please provide your source.

          • christianh

            At least you know what a paragraph is.. Many of your ilk know not…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            By the way, Freep.com is the Detroit Free Press. I thought I’d let you know since you didn’t bother to click the link. Why read something that might alter your world view, right? There’s nothing like the comfort of familiarity and bliss of ignorance, eh?

          • christianh

            You act like I owe you something… I don’t… With the crap rags you people link to no I didn’t bother… The point is and was, Conservatives have run up ALL our debt…

            Obama inherited Bush’s $1.4T deficit… And has been lowering it.. Even blue presidential states elect too many local Republicans, who then attack teachers, unions and anyone who isn’t a big donor…

            Good luck with that…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            LOL… owe me something? Ummm… no. I was just establishing that you’re really not interested in rational debate/discussion, and I was using your refusal to engage with actual facts and data as evidence of this.

            Again… the source isn’t really relevant. If the data is sound the source could be the National Enquirer.

            Got any source that says Obama’s lowered the deficit? For that matter, the only reason the deficit was reduced was as consequence of the sequester, which he fought tooth and nail against.

            I wasn’t a George W. Bush fan either.

          • christianh

            So you just choose not to find out..?

            I guess you do have to preface researcher…

            http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/04/news/economy/budget-outlook-deficits-cbo/

            And from previously… Obama’s first year..

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/23/AR2010072304101.html

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            The difference between us is that I’ll click your links and get back to you.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            The interesting thing about the CNN link you offered is that it doesn’t include the pre-Obama years. The first year indicated is 2009, the first year of his Presidency. According to that link, the deficit was $1.04T, which was 10.1% of GDP. What’s interesting, and left off the chart you posted is that during the three years before Obama took office, the deficit was $248 B, $161 B, and $459 B, respectively.

            So, yes, I’ll have to agree with you. After Obama nearly tripled the budget deficit, he’s managed to bring it down to more than twice the Bush deficits during 2010, 2011, and 2012, with deficits of $1.29B, $1,29 B, $1,09 B, respectively.

            Yeah… wow… that’s quite an accomplishment.

          • ezekiel22

            Go watch Ren and Stimpy as that is more yer speed. Facts are not the strong point.

          • El Mac

            GOP running Detroit? Really?

          • christianh

            Yes… Ask the guy Snyder put in charge… Who wasn’t elected but appointed to steal pensions…

          • El Mac

            …and how about 50 years worth or ruination by the leftist Detroit godvernmentalists? I mean, the place is such a beautiful destination after all that.

          • christianh

            How about you just get your GED…

          • El Mac

            Done got my edumacation bro. :)

          • David in Dallas

            And from what I’ve read, Detroit is now improving in many areas.

          • Lynx Eye

            Er, doesn’t Soros and certain liberals like the Gates people use their money to fund initiatives and buy influence with politicians? For every Koch there is a Soros. The love of money is the root of all evil, and that one can only serve God or Mammon, not both, is perfectly illustrated by both.

          • christianh

            And when have either of them been found to be behind DARK MONEY…? Stop deflecting and admit your party is a bunch of idiot crooks who think we can slow down the wind with wind turbines…

      • Sandy

        yes, Democrat/liberal/progressive/socialists steal from the people who actually earn a living….Cheney, Ailes, and romney EARNED their money, and made other people rich as well…back to your basement, now…go on…

        • christianh

          And they refuse to pay the taxes they owe so red states suffer even more…

          You must all be getting DUMBER since the tax rate before Reagan was SEVENTY PERCENT and no hedge funders or bankers starved…

    • Wisesage

      If all it were about was right and wrong, you might have a point. Fortunately, Christianity is WAY more involved than just a simple stand for your morality.

    • johnnywood

      So your moral views are based on what?

    • ocarol500

      America is the ONLY government ever based on Moral and Ethical Concerns. The USA was not actually based on Judeo-Christian Principles, but on Moral Principles. God, but not openly the Christian God, per se. It is not Judeo-Christianity that is being attacked by liberals, but Morality in general. However the left (liberals) attack Christianity as a cover for their attack on Morals and Ethics. Christians should not defend Judeo-Christianity per se, but should actively and voraciously attack the left for their lack of Ethics and Morals. And give concrete examples of the immoral and unethical behavior of politicians and not equate this with any form of religion. Keep their actions and behaviors in the forefront for people to examine. Most people want their leaders to be Moral whether they’re Christian or not.

    • 19gundog43

      Just a self-righteous ass. I am sooooo much better than all these Christians. Kiss, kiss, kiss. I love me so much.

    • Chuck

      As Bob Dylan sang,..youre gunna have to serve somebody…You ARE
      religeous in that you are a secular humanist. You dont believe in any god.
      My point,…you have picked a side,..you do have a choice and it sounds
      like you have make up your mind

  • johnnywood

    This is so obvious that you should not even need to bring it up. No Bible believing Christian could ever be a leftist Democrap.

    • christianh

      You idiots will do anything to make sure NO ONE WILL HELP YOU WHEN YOU NEED IT…

      • El Mac

        Huh?

      • Judith_Priest

        I think I get him, Mac. If you build a world in which your highest value is Total Selfishness, and the people you admire the most are the ones who’ve figured out how to keep the most stuff just for THEMSELVES, what and who is going to help you if you have some bad luck?

        Or what if those you admire TURN on you! You admire them because they take what they want. But you don’t see you’re next on the menu.

        • El Mac

          Yep…you are right. The Leftists of the world have killed literally billions of people trying to impose their Godvernments on people.

          • christianh

            What are you channeling Bachmann…? Do you have a closeted spouse…?

          • El Mac

            Truth hurts doesn’t it bro?

          • christianh

            You would’n t know the truth if I told you.. Which is why you argue against what I say…

          • Winston

            No one would believe you would tell the truth. There is only one truth and yours is not it.

          • christianh

            Not according to the books others wrote…

          • El Mac

            The truth will set you free bro. Try it sometime.

        • christianh

          That’s the GOP… Who said no aid for Republicans hit by Sandy AFTER screaming that they should get aid for a hurricane in the South…? THE GOP…

          SELFISH TO THE END…

      • 19gundog43

        Has anyone pointed out to you lately that you are a flaming idiot?

        • christianh

          Many, but none have my job as a senior level web site developer…

          Else they would recognize true intelligence when they read it…

          • 19gundog43

            Wow!!!! I am sooooo impressed. So sorry Cupcake I didn’t realize what big brain I was addressing!! Here’s a clue they are right. Your mirror must be full of lip prints. LMAO.

          • christianh

            Apology NOT accepted… I call myself SuperGeniusGuy for a reason…

          • Lori

            Hey, that’s the self-title of Wile E. Coyote, and look what happens to him! Intelligence-wise, Christians come in a variety-just like any one else-the difference is in the heart. Christians have Jesus in their hearts via the Holy Spirit.

        • Winston

          Flaming idiot is too kind. He’s a satan-influenced demon.

      • Wisesage

        And that’s the difference between Christians and Liberals – you just summed it up nicely! Liberals may believe that “NO ONE WILL HELP YOU…” while Christians believe that God will be there to help us when needed!

        • christianh

          You mean like how the Liberals passed health care and the GOP wants to repeal it…? Or how the Liberals passed UE extension but the GOP said screw them…? Or perhaps how the Liberals raised the minimum wage and the GOP said let them eat coal ash…

          I thought you looked familiar… Your pic is under the definition of FOOL in the dictionary…

          • Winston

            Look closer. It is your picture.

            “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.” — Ecclesiastes 10:2

          • christianh

            Cherry picking again…? Have you ever heard of context clues.. That has none…

            And there was no such thing as our political ideology back then…

      • Winston

        We don’t need help from demons such as you. By the time our time has come, we will only need the help of Jesus Christ. Go away, Satan.

        • christianh

          So Jesus was a talking coyote…? If you really read the bible you’d see that Jesus is NOT ANYONE in the Revelation…

          Death and Hell relate to a hitman he hired…

  • fidlin1

    ‘ A Christian can be a Christian or a Liberal but not both.’ Not Really. A PERSON can be a Christian or a Liberal,but not both.

    • Wisesage

      Very valid point, fidlin!

  • Annette Rose Giesbrecht

    So true.

  • PatCindyCunningham

    It seems like the Womens movement in the Liberal camp, need vindication for their stance on abortion more than anything else. Your acceptance is more important than the act itself. Of course Abortion has been Law for over 30 years but, I still feel that Liberals still need that acceptance from others more than breath. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.

    • christianh

      Someone else’s abortion is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS…

      ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH…

      • PatCindyCunningham

        I, am none of YOUR BUSINESS…

        • christianh

          So you’re one of those idiots who thinks you should have privacy on the internet…?

          • PatCindyCunningham

            TROLL!

      • ezekiel22

        Of course it is the business of the baby that is being murdered.

      • http://batman-news.com hAAngarpilot

        Why doesn’t the unborn child get a say so in the matter of abortion? Oh that’s right he’s too small and can’t speak for himself, therefore that makes it somone elses business.

    • Winston

      The feminazi movement was designed by Satan himself to destroy the family unit. Sadly its worked and we have many women now who don’t know what gender they are? How sad. That makes them virtually useless and what it does to the children, is unforgiveable.

      • PatCindyCunningham

        Men aren’t much better. They have taken to shaving their bodies and trying to be as Feminine as they can possibly be. The new pin up Boy is that Guy that is known as Pajama Boy. Back in my time, that Guy would have gotten beat up.

        • Winston

          You are correct. Perhaps that’s the best thing that could happen to him to make him a man. Frankly, we don’t need men like him and feminazis. They add no value to mankind. Both representations are the beginning of the end of mankind’s epoch. I’m prepared. Are you?

          • PatCindyCunningham

            The Left or as they are also known, the Spawn Of Satan, are winning. The Right are letting them. It’s going to take a big effort to stop them. I mean a big, big, big effort.

        • ezekiel22

          It does say that in the end times that men will become as women. You prove that nicely.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Real Men, need to stand up and say so. Challenge the wussies of today to stop trying to be like the Girls. This is all by design. The break up of the Traditional Family and all traditional values. We are falling into the trap first set by Satan and carried on by the Left.

  • Camden

    AMEN! I have been saying for years that there is no way that a Christian could vote for a Liberal/Democrat… Yet millions of black “christians” voted for BHO, who was the most radical supporter of abortion, during the short time he spent in the senate. If a true Christian had even delved in the least bit into his past, there is no way on God’s green Earth that a true Christian would’ve voted for him. But, I have black “christian” friends that not only voted for him, they defend him on facebook like he is their messiah.

    • christianh

      Radical supporter of abortion…? Please learn grammar… And Messiahs are the purview of the GOP and Saint Reagan, who gave amnesty to illegals, sold weapons to Iran, ran up the debt and deficit…

      • Camden

        Didn’t realize you were a grammer Nazi… expound on your comment; “Please learn grammar”… and look, I am not here to serve the donkey or the elephant… I am here to serve the Lamb. Voting for a Republican has become, and always will be, “the lesser of 2 evils”. But, as for me, I want “less evil”.

        • christianh

          SHUT UP.. The bible you scream about says YOU’RE ALL LIARS AND HAVE ALL FALLEN SHORT…

          And he isn’t coming back.. It’s a different guy…

          • Camden

            “Whoever claims to be without sin is a liar”… “For all have fallen short of the Glory of God”… Praise be to the Alpha and Omega, Who was, Who is, and Who is to come… The same yesterday, today, and forever. But I guess you are somewhat correct. He did come the first time as a Lamb, but He is coming back as a Lion! Even so, come Lord quickly…

          • christianh

            Jesus (Isa al Masiyh) died.. Liars and adulterers and abusers of themselves with mankind killed him…

            The guy in the Revelation is NOT Jesus…

            He’s what happens when the aforementioned kill Jesus…

            He wants the Holy City whether it’s over OUR dead bodies or not…

    • ditzydad

      Your so called BLACK CHRISTIAN friends see you as a RACIST. BLACK CHRISTIANS have their OWN interpretation of the BIBLE. They also have different value system. Try to get one black person to say OBAMA is a COMMUNIST. They don’t care; he is BLACK that is it PERIOD. Remember the DOJ has stated that BLACK PEOPLE can not be RACIST and CIVIL RIGHTS WERE WRITEN for BLACK PEOPLE ONLY. In a black person mind the DOJ is RIGHT because it benefits THEM

  • 2Shadow2

    Ann Coulter said on the documentary Michelle Bachman did on women of the GOP, and also in her book “Godless” that “the reason the left hates religion so much is that it holds them accountable and they want nothing to do with accountability.” Very astute.

    • christianh

      And you believe that BS…? Well, you do look kind of air-headed…

      • 2Shadow2

        Make it personal, Troll.

        • Winston

          The demons are out in full force, aren’t they? Be prepared, my friend. The end is near.

      • ditzydad

        Do you have any morals? Define MURDER then define ABORTION and when you can not see it the same then you have NO ACCOUNTABILITY

        • christianh

          Murder is taking a life.. Abortion is preventing one from starting…

          • texas57

            Abortion is murder, the fetus has a different DNA and is therefore separate from it’s mother but I won’t argue just state my point, abortion is murder. Good day.

      • bob

        and you appear to be behind bars awaiting your boyfriends advances

  • Patrick Thomas

    Liberals are a bunch of atheists who have no values or morals. We should kill them all.

    • Wisesage

      Perhaps, but a true Christian wouldn’t advocate that type of behavior now, would they?

    • Wes

      Ho ho ho, very funny. I love ironic humor.

    • christianh

      My address in Van Nuys is public on my Facebook.. Come and see me first… But I’m more a Progressive… Ehhh, come see me anyway…

    • ditzydad

      SAD, DEMOCRATS feel they don’t need morals and they ELECTED OBAMA TWICE

      • christianh

        Who pulled us out of a recession and got 13 million people new health care…

        • leslymill

          13 million undocumented illegal aliens maybe…6 million lost 7 million signed up but half have not paid. Recession…wake up the dollar is gonna collapse and we can thank the Democrats that are WILLFULLY making it less faluable than the paper it is printed on.

    • Winston

      “Thou shalt not kill.” — God

      • ezekiel22

        Thou shalt do no murder. It is unfortunate that so many people like to sound violent when there is no need.

        • Winston

          Righteously said, my friend. The earth shall be rocking and reeling soon enough.

      • Camden

        “Thou shall not murder” is the correct translation of that verse. Lying in wait and murder is different than killing in self-defense or to protect your family…

    • Judith_Priest

      If that’s irony, well done, sir.

      If it’s not? I know a FB page where you’d fit right in. Sigh …

    • leslymill

      Vengeance is mine…saith the Lord….the door is not shut on them to repent.

  • chvietvet

    Make no mistake, the established religion of the United States is materialism. The people running the civil service may call themselves atheists, but theologians would clearly classify their religious belief to be materialism. Just try to get a job with the federal government or any state government while professing to be anything else but a materialist. Materialists believe that the material universe created itself in some unknown way, and that it continues to exist through random selection following innate laws decreed by no intelligent being. This belief negates any value or purpose of human life, which can be taken away at will by majority rule of nine Supreme Court justices. Rights are granted and taken away by government, since there is no intelligent Creator, Who endows human beings with these rights. Life has no purpose, and Epicurianism is the only philosophy of life that makes any sense to a materialist. The essence of this philosophy of Epicur is that the only purposes of life are to avoid pain and seek pleasure by whatever means available. No matter what religion our elected representatives outwardly profess in order to benefit from the votes of constituents with Theistic beliefs, their actions show them to be practicing materialists. Other countries have been ruled by materialists, and none of them have been very successful or beneficial to the world. They include the defunct Third Reich and Soviet Union. Apparently, Americans are incapable of understanding that using materialism as an established religion is a recipe for disaster. Our public schools, long in the hands of “Marxists,” who are arch-materialists, have suppressed the teaching of history in order to make our population ignorant and foolish. Islam shows no signs of caving in to the materialists, and in the absence of mass abortion by its adherents, this religion will soon be dominant in Europe. According to Islamic law, forced conversions of Christian and Jews are prohibited. The same prohibition does not apply to atheists or materialists. I cannot imaging an atheist choosing execution to profess his belief in a non-god rather than converting to Islam. That means that all of those criticizing Christianity in a generation or two will eventually be forcibly converted to Islam, while religious Christians, Jews, and Hindus will be free to practice their religions, although with financial and social disadvantages. That seems like a kind of poetic justice. Just keep those abortion mills going in “Christian” countries with materialist rulers, and we will see all of these things happen.

    • ditzydad

      SORRY; OBAMA is keeping COMMUNISM alive and well in AMERICA.

      • christianh

        So you think it was here in our government before…? Wow, please don’t operate heavy machinery…

        Never mind, your name is ditzy dad…

  • Wes

    I’m not so sure about “a Christian can’t be a liberal”, more like “a Christian can’t be a Democrat”, two different things. That would be especially true for the Catholic Church, since the Democratic Party has expressly endorsed homosexual marriage and pro-choice policies. Besides, many of the crazy progressive ideas and policies mentioned are not necessarily supported by the Democratic Party as an entity.

    • ditzydad

      ARE YOU LIVING UNDER A ROCK ???

      • Winston

        Sad isn’t it? These people are raising children and voting.

  • William A. Bullard Jr.

    Dancing around the ‘Maypole’ Wes. I am a Catholic and a Christian first. All Christians are not Catholic no more so than the bent of Liberalism from the very first in the 20th Century was Christian. It was not has demonstrated itself to be not, and will be forever anti Christian/anti Catholic/anti Semitic. The democrats can lie about FDR all they want; in the end ‘The New Deal’ made Roe .v. Wade a foregone conclusion. Why do you think John Paul II went to Cuba and publicly spanked Liberation Theology Priests [Jesuits] on TV? we can differ on “Transsubstantiation” or even the more practical aspects of religion expressed as “Papal Infallibility” but what we do not differ on is that God created Man; it is God that is our “King”; God made us, whether or not it was in one week or 400,000,000 years is immaterial . The very worst holocausts ever perpetrated on Man were perpetrated by Liberal political ideologies that were Godless and boasted of it, Marxist Leninist Statist Socialism [Communism] and German National Socialism [Nazism] . We have already exceeded the Nazis and Communists wildest dreams and have created and funded a fifty year holocaust. There are heretic Christian that brought that about; they shall pay. As in the movie: “…the time for mercy has passed; now there is only time for punishment…” The 21st century will be a Judeo-Christian 21st century of people who have turned back to God; or, it simply will not be.

  • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

    This article makes no logical sense. Of course Christians can be liberal. And satanists can be conservative, too.

    • christianh

      Not in Tea Party America…

      • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

        So you’re saying there are no tea party satanists? That seems unlikely.

        Why not? Justify your position.

        • WashMIEd

          Non-Christians can have any views they like, covering the full spectrum from liberal to conservative. However, for genuine Christians, that is not an option – certain worldviews are fundamentally incompatible with true Christianity, including the liberal/progressive worldview espoused by the “left”. That is the point the writer is making – quite well, I thought.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            Saying “because I said so,” which is basically what you just did, isn’t an argument. What SPECIFICALLY about certain liberal worldviews are fundamentally incompatible with true Christianity? The author of this article didn’t make any specific points.

          • Winston

            Abortion for one, you degenerate. Homosexual behavior and marriage is another. Stealing and the Ponzi schemes liberals love so much. I could go on for a long time. Apparently you have not read the Bible. Try it. Perhaps it will educate you. It’s timeless.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            Nobody is forcing a liberal Christian to have an abortion. Or engage in homosexual behavior. I’ve read the Bible cover to cover, actually. If that’s the best argument you have, you’ve already lost.

          • Winston

            This is not a competition, Semyaza.

            “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your
            pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” — Matthew 7:6

          • christianh

            Sounds like the Tea Party to me…

          • Winston

            [Yawn]

          • christianh

            Tell them to get diplomas and they won’t all say the same stupid crap…

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            Umm, a debate is, by definition, a competition.

          • ezekiel22

            Perhaps you should roll the tape of the DNC convention. It was obvious that the keep God out of the platform crowd had won the election. It was inconvenient that the results of the election putting God back in were up before the vote was taken.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            Your argument is basically “because I said so.” Good one.

          • christianh

            BS… It was still there.. Just worded so they didn’t sound STUPID like the STUPID PARTY…

          • Curtis

            So one would have to ask, “How do you define being a Christian?”
            Going to church does not make one a Christian. Being baptized also doesn’t do it. Having parents where said they were Christians doesn’t do it either; nor does being a good person.
            Could a Christian, in a moment of despair forget to turn to God for answers take matters into his or her own hands. e.g. abortion. Yes, that could happen. That doesn’t make them a liberal it makes them what we all are, a sinner. Could a person continuously sin without regard to consequences and still be a Christian – probably not.
            Could a person be a Christian and actively espouse murdering a helpless child? “No”
            Could a person be a Christian and actively pursue a homosexual life and claim that the bible supports it, encourages it? again, “No”

          • christianh

            FETUSES AREN’T CHILDREN.. They’re basically parasites…

          • IDAHO PATRIOT

            You are an ignorant fool who is using oxygen I might need someday, so please stop breathing, the sooner the better. MOLON LABE!! nsa dhs gfy

          • christianh

            I’ll see your MOLON LABE and raise you a

            KCID A TAE…

            If they were children you’d want them to clean up toilets to eat lunch, you freak…

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            Plenty of homosexuals are also Christians and they make very convincing claims that the bible supports it. Don’t state your opinion as if it is fact and expect it to carry any weight.

          • christianh

            You mean like GOP Madoff…? Or the people who sell books full of crap to idiots full of even more crap…

          • Curtis

            Liberal thought says it is okay to have pre-marital sex
            Liberal thought says it is okay to murder the result of premarital sex because a child would be inconvenient to your plans
            Liberal thought says that everyone should be given an equal share of the money so spread the wealth around
            Christian thought says, “Keep your pants zipped up until you’re married”
            Christian thought says, “If you can’t keep your pants zipped and you get pregnant, it is selfish and murder to terminate the life growing in you.”
            Christian thought says, “If you wish to eat, work. If you find one who CAN’T work, support them. If you find one who won’t work admonish them”

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            Umm, there is no such thing as “liberal thought” and “christian thought.” Different liberals have different thoughts just as different christians have different thoughts. They aren’t monolithic blocks.

          • Curtis

            That is true, these *are* generalizations but as a group has been demonstrate by millions of on-line posts, the evidence provided by liberal media opinions, reporting and punditry as well as the voting records of those who are identified as, or self identify as, a liberal.
            Christians, like everyone else, have differing opinions on many subjects. However, on the core values we are pretty much of one opinion.
            The exception being where churches have allowed, for example, gay marriage and homosexuals in the pulpit. In such cases, I would state they are not truly Christians.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            So then you just proved, with your statement that Christians have differing opinions on many subjects, that a Christian CAN be liberal. Case closed.

          • Winston

            Kyle is a troll and a trouble maker. Either that or he is uncommonly stupid.

          • John Douglas

            Just say he is a liberal, that will cover all the bases:)

          • Winston

            Good point.

        • christianh

          I’m saying in Tea Party America, the dumb people are the smartest…

    • Winston

      You can’t possibly be that uninformed. Liberals believe in sexual immorality, abortion, and helping themselves to other people’s things. They don’t believe in free will; they believe in forced will. I guess you could be that uninformed.

      “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.” — Ecclesiastes 10:2

      • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

        You have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of what liberals believe. Since this is the case, you aren’t worth debating with.

        • http://batman-news.com hAAngarpilot

          What Liberals believe is pretty well spelled out on the DNC website. We can also see the evidence of the Liberal mindset by observing the state of our society.

          • christianh

            So why do liberals promote SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY while conservatives promote ignorance and exclusion..

          • christianh

            We were fine when everyone paid a fair tax rate… And then Reagan came…

          • http://batman-news.com hAAngarpilot

            The tax rates in this country today are terribly unfair, especially to the people who have worked hard and attained a higher standard of living. I fail to see anything fair about progressive tax rates. The more I earn the higher the rate of tax I’m assessed….what’s fair about that? Why shouldn’t I be permitted to take home my Gross pay? After all God gave me the talent and ability to think clearly to make wise decisions thereby allowing me to earn more money than I “need” to live, so what right does Gov’t have to dip into my paycheck and take from me and give to someone that is able bodied but refuses to work. That should be left up to me to decide who to help.

          • christianh

            Obviously you don’t understand how progressive tax rates work… If you make $2M, and the $1M rate is 43%, it’s only above $1M… If you can’t live on one million dollars you should be killed…

            YOU FASCISTS HAVE A PROBLEM.. Not real Americans…

            I WISH I could write off as high a percentage… I only make $110K…

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            No, the DNC platform is pretty well spelled out on the DNC website. What liberals believe is incredibly diverse and isn’t spelled out on any website.

        • y.a.

          Winston-100
          Kyle bumpus-0

    • http://batman-news.com hAAngarpilot

      Gonna have to dis-agree with you there Kyle. The article explains quite clearly why a follower of Jesus Christ, a Christian, cannot in all good conscious claim to be a Liberal.

      • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

        It doesn’t explain it clearly at all, actually. It doesn’t mention even one specific.

    • Curtis

      Sorry to say but you could not be more wrong. Could a Satanist be a conservative – yes, a fiscal conservative but hardly a social conservative. If you are not conservative in both, you are liberal.
      Christianity, true Christianity, and liberal thought are mutually exclusive concepts.
      Liberal thought says everyone is entitled to an equal share of everything. Christianity says you are entitled to what you work hard to earn after recognizing it was God who gave it to you to begin with.
      Liberal thought says “I gave at the office.” Christian Conservative thought says, “I gave at the office, I gave at church, I gave at the street corner and I gave at home. I’m out of money but here’s the shirt off my back.”

      • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

        Of course a satanist could be a social conservative. Don’t be ridiculous.

  • Winston

    Amen. One must assume liberalism is antithesis of Godly loving or insanity.

    • christianh

      So why are you GOPers always caught lying cheating and stealing…?

      • bob

        because you dems are so much better at it.. and the press covers for you

        • christianh

          Really… You deserve to be robbed by the Waltons…

          WalMart grew out of the red states… I had never heard of it until they robbed enough of you idiots…

      • Curtis

        Because conservatives care about being cheated and lied to and hold their representatives accountable
        Being a liberal and getting caught cheating on one’s wife or caught in a lie is a career booster. This is because liberals are fools and don’t want to know the truth.
        Getting away with it is simply a matter of how good you are at spinning the truth or distracting the votes with something else. I give you the political career of one Barrack Hussein Obama as clear cut evidence of this.

    • Curtis

      Liberalism is, plainly put, political insanity.

  • RharryR

    I’ve been saying this for a long time. Liberals CANNOT be Christians if for no other reason, the Philosophy’s contradict each other. Liberalism is centered on self-serving, self-benefiting interests putting self interests above everything else. Christianity is centered on GOD-serving, GOD-benefiting, GODs interests above everything else. Liberals cannot comprehend putting anything above what they want especially someone that can’t be seen with the naked eye and to them is no more than a character from ancient history whose effects on history they can’t physically see and experience every day. At best, they are like the first three types of soil in the parable of the sower.

    • christianh

      Raising the minimum wage, providing universal Pre-K, getting equal pay for women, giving everyone the same rights are all selfish…?

      What is doing the opposite…?

      • RharryR

        Self sacrifice. Making it known to everyone that you are willing to accept responsibility and are willing to settle for less than what you think you deserve. That’s a Christian mentality. All you mentioned are self-serving way to make it easier on the self. They don’t serve GOD in any way.

        • christianh

          You mean like actually paying your taxes and not hiding money in the Caymans…?

          • RharryR

            That has nothing to do with worshiping GOD. That falls under the category of giving to Caesar what is Caesar’s. You should, even more importantly, give to GOD what is GODs. As in tithes and offerings. and not let Caesar know what you do with GOD.

          • christianh

            Everything is His… Jesus was just being sarcastic to assholes…

          • RharryR

            No, He was not being sarcastic. He was saying live up to your responsibilities but keep GOD separate and above your worldly commitments and obligations. And don’t let them hinder you relationship with GOD in any way.

          • christianh

            Being him doesn’t mean you dont’ have human nature… Do you think he didnt’ get mad and throw the moneychangers out of the temple…?

          • Curtis

            Jesus clearing the temple was the first example of separation of church and state. His was righteous indignation, not anger, not human nature, at the pollution of what was supposed to be sacred and set apart into something not far from prostitution in a church.

          • RharryR

            I think you need to read the 1st Amendment. It’s not separation of Church and state. It’s separation of Church from State. Meaning the State should have no influence over the Church. But if the Church had influence over the State, as it did when this country was founded, we wouldn’t be having the problems we are having in this country today.

          • christianh

            Shove semantics up your ass… THERE IS A SEPARATION.. It was done by GOVERNMENT not the bible…

          • RharryR

            My, My! Touchy aren’t we. You need to go back and read American History. Especially the Federal Papers concerning ratification of the Constitution. The Bill of Rights was demanded by the people in return for ratification. There would be no Constitution if the Congress at the time had not been men of honor and agreed to add it to the Constitution. Therefore, it was accepted and agreed to by the Govt. at the time, It was not created by the Govt. The Rights demanded by the people were a necessary requirement for the Constitution to be ratified and a central Govt. to be established. Otherwise, there would be no Federal Govt. The people demanded these Rights based on Biblical understanding of the Rights guaranteed by GOD to HIS people.

          • christianh

            Perhaps you mean the Federalist Papers and the Bill of Rights came first… The Articles Of Confederation gave states more rights, the Constitution gave more to the federal government…

          • RharryR

            You do like to jump around. I made no comment concerning the Articles of Confederation. The Federalist Paper were reports and comments and opinions of the people that wrote them. They gave no one anything. The Constitution was written and sent to the States to be ratified. There were enough States whose people said not without certain rights included. The Constitution enumerated the powers that the Fed Govt. would have. The people said not without these Rights being specified that the Govt will not trespass on. The Bill of Right is the highest law of the land and the Constitution comes next. The Articles of Confederation, being no longer in effect after the Constitution was ratified has no bearing on this conversation. Although they were an important part taken into consideration in the forming of the laws of this nation. Again, you need to do some reading. And if you can’t comment without abusive language, you need to go somewhere else. You sound like a liberal when you use that verbalization.

          • Curtis

            @RharryR:disqus , @christianh:disqus
            RharryR, you are 110% correct! The concept of Separation of Church from State stems from the excesses of the British Government with the establishment of the Church of England (The eventual Anglican Church).
            The framers of the Constitution and authors of the Declaration of Independence were tremendously influenced by God, The Bible and the words and influences of contemporary ministers.
            Some of the periods hottest firebrands for independence were Ministers.
            Furthermore, the Constitution only states that Congress will make no law which infringes upon the Church and the right to pursue one’s religious beliefs.
            The concept of Separation of Church and State actually stems from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to a New England Minister who espoused establishing an official religion for the nation.
            Misguided individuals from have misused Jefferson’s words ever since in an attempt to justify the removal of God from the public eye. With each successful attempt, however, this nation moves further and further from its origins and removes itself from God’s blessings – to its detriment.
            For the skeptics, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of original period writings which support this position.

          • christianh

            And he never ran for office nor promoted any pols… Where the hell do the GOPers get that God talked to them abut running…? Anything to impress the mouth breathers I guess…

          • Curtis

            Some may get involved in politics out of a desire to effect meaningful change. Some of those may have done so because they believed they were called to it.
            If they were called to it, they will persevere in their goals without succumbing to the temptations of power of office. Few are able to do so.

          • RharryR

            You like going off on unrelated matters don’t you. Being Him, that is being both God and man at all times in all ways, of course He succumbed to emotion. After all, If you loved your father the way He did, wouldn’t you be somewhat perturbed if someone desecrated your fathers house the way they did? His Fathers House was a house of prayer, not a house of merchandizing. Like so many of today’s TV evangelists have done today. He was quoting scripture when He condemned them and ran them out.

          • ezekiel22

            Or even parking your yacht in NH to avoid taxes in MA as one Kerry did. Or how about suppressing the wages of Tuna factory workers in Samoa as say Pelosi. Keep it going.

          • christianh

            I can get proof of what I say…

          • ezekiel22

            I am waiting.

      • bob

        universal pre-k is another hitlerian manifestation… obama doesn’t pay his women equally, homos are getting special rights, the minimum wage increase is a poverty increaser..you are still an imbecile

        • christianh

          Hitlerian manifestation… ? Like legalizing discrimination…? That’s what the Nazis did… Just like the religious right…

          • y.a.

            Obama blatantly discriminates against Caucasians and Christians.And gets away with it. Liberals are okay with that because liberslism is a mental disorder. Libersls can’t possibly synthesis and process logic or facts due to years of pot and drug use.There is no other explanation for their inability to understand common sense and apply it to real world situations. They will kill steal snd destroy if it will bring about their bizarre utopia. If they could think straight they would understand there can never be a utopia. Many governments tried and failed to achieve their nirvana-killing millions along the way. Of course common sense says if you liberals love your communism why don’t you just go to a communist country. They wont answer because that would be the common sense thing to do.

          • christianh

            And he does that by giving blacks no special attention and fighting to get your minimum wage raised..? Or is he imagining that white people don’t work for minimum wage…?

            I told you that Lysol was a bad idea…

          • Revere

            So, according to you we are all wasting our time trying” to form a more perfect union”.

          • tr60

            Find us a communist country. The latest North Korean constitution makes no mention of communism. You can buy and sell real estate in Cuba. “Communist” China is eating our lunch.

            I guess we’ll have to stay home and perfect our own revolution of making “All men equal”.

        • tr60

          Actually kindergarden got started a century before Hitler.

          “Homos” are merely getting the same rights as the rest of us. Get over it.

          Minimum wage jobs created some of the biggest fortunes in this country. The Waltons can well afford to give their employees a raise. Poppa John can still afford his mansion while paying his employees better.

      • http://batman-news.com hAAngarpilot

        How about we abolish the minimum wage and let the employer / employee relationship determine the wages and benefits of the employee. How about parents educating their offspring. We expect parents to do that from birth to about five years old anyway so why not just make it easier for them to continue the education process for as long as they desire or are able. You want equal pay for women then lets require women to do equal work to a man, seems fair to me. In case you didn’t know the U.S. Constitution guarantees every law abiding American Citizen the same rights. You should read it sometime. Oh and by the way the laws that American Citizens abide by, stem from the law given to Moses by God. You should read the Bible sometime too, it’s an amazing book.

      • y.a.

        All those things are done with tax payer money in which the tax payer cant afford to pay for. Equal pay for equal work is a human right not a women’s right and that doesn’t belong to liberals. Raising minimum wage? Where does that money come from??????Liberals think nothing of wasting money that doesnt belong to them and that they haven’t earned. We will never be able to talk sense to liberals as long as marijuana is around. Their brains truly are fried.

        • christianh

          350 MILLION people can’t put their kids through school..? What the hell good are they…?

          Or maybe if EVERYONE was paying their taxes…

          • http://batman-news.com hAAngarpilot

            You mean to tell me that the entire U.S. population can’t put their kids through school? I see elementary age kids walking to school in my neighborhood every day of the school year. The Junior High School and High School in my town have lots of cars in the parking lot and the classrooms appear to be full of students. We have several colleges here in my town and as far as I can tell the classes are all full of students. So basically what I’m telling you is that your statement is baseless and devoid of any facts.

        • christianh

          Why the hell do you we pay taxes, MORON…? Well, your GOP doesn’t but DEMs do…

      • garysvent

        Leaving government birdbrains out of our deliberations on these subjects. Not allowing the force of government to steal from citizenry in the name of the poor to enrich themselves. Letting free economics to enrich the doers and the tryers and those who work, so that those who seek goodies from someones else’s sweat see the error of their ways and get a job.

        • christianh

          Was that English…? Free economics causes oil and coal ash spills in the South… Keep it up…

      • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

        This is all feel good rubbish. Raising the minimum wage will simply price more low skill workers out of the market. The last thing I want is universal pre-K for my daughters. Thank Goodness they’re almost past day care age. Equal pay for women has been debunked so many times, it’s absurd that you even bring it up. Though there is one place you could bring it up: The White House. People have had the same rights since the Civil Rights act.

  • Steve

    I’ve been saying that for years…….

  • jmscrcrn

    Government is all about justice, and the Bible has a great deal to say about justice, about what is right and what is wrong. Many do not understand a Biblical perspective about righteousness, and so they are confused. They are also confused about what a Christian is. A Christian is a disciple, a follower of Christ. It was Rabbi Daniel Lapin who said that whatever God’s position is on a matter, a liberal takes the opposite position. His statement is correct.

    • christianh

      How the HELL do any of you know what the Most High’s position is..? You’re too busy watching Honey Boo Boo and the Duck Dynasty…

      • trueconservative

        another angry liberal.

        • christianh

          What do you call a GOPer who wants to take guns to church…?

          IDIOT is taken by the GOper who wants to carry guns in a bar…

          • Sandy

            a man who carries a gun is a man; a man who won’t is a subject….boo hoo hoo….are you afraid of guns, little one?

          • Chris P

            No – he’s a paranoid scaredy cat.

          • Sandy

            oooh…look whos back….another basement boy….guess you have never faced the wrong end of a weapon…no, you are to busy hiding in your basement….TROLL ALERT

          • christianh

            Your grammar leaves MUCH to be desired…

          • Sandy

            What would you know about grammar, ‘tron boy?

          • christianh

            Obviously more than you since my typing is high school or college level rather than the ridiculously low-level you seem to employ…

          • Sandy

            you are past your bed-time, sonny….

          • Chris P

            And I bet you haven’t either. Stupid alert.

          • Sandy

            ah yah, for 30 years, wimpy…go have another hamburger with your hot chocolate mommy is getting you…she has some new comic books for you…

          • Chris P

            Do you always write immature nonsense.

          • Sandy

            no, just for pajama-boy metrosexual trolls like yourself…

          • Chris P

            Thanks for confirming – yet again – that you cannot stop yourself from writing childish irresponsible obnoxious garbage.

          • Sandy

            Boo hoo hoo….thanks for again, pajama-boy,for reminding us that you can’t make a cogent argument…just whining liberal gibberish

          • Chris P

            Your Bible is the gibberish.

          • Sandy

            maybe if your mommy read it to you for bedtime you might learn something….The Bible is the WORD….YOU are meaningless…go on now, pajama boy….

          • Chris P

            No – my mother wasn’t a total jerk, brainwashing me with religious garbage. Sorry that you did get brainwashed. Ever notice that people’s religions are based on where they live – not on whether a God actually exists. Dunce.

          • Sandy

            religious garbage….wow, that was such an intellectually stimulating arguement, pajama-boy….so your mother was nice to you? Ever notice that there is no geographical relationship to religions? Hmmmm…..the center of Islam is Mecca, but the largest population of Muslims is in…wait for it….Indonesia….yeah, another brilliant statement….GOD does exist pajama-boy….and if you had any guts and were ever in a dangerous situation such as combat, you would find GOD quickly….but, you remain in your basement trolling – funny how all you liberals howl about conservatives but most of you have serious “issues”, like Grayson, spitzer, Weiner, Kennedy, and the rest of the trolls….go on, now…. mommy can serve you hot chocolate and give you your blankey while you watch My Little Pony…..

          • Chris P

            How come you know so much about My Little Pony? Ever notice that you are brain dead – “No geographical relationship to religion” What an ignorant howler that one is. Shame to be so dumb that you don’t know how dumb you are.

          • Sandy

            so you are a “Brony”…lol..every liberal has issues…..I knew it…and there is no geographical relationship to religion other than it’s origins, meathead….as I showed you….go on now, back to your basement….

          • Chris P

            So the center of the Scottish church is in Outer Mongolia? Dumb A**

          • Sandy

            there are Christians everywhere, meathead….that’s the point, as well as Buddhists in America like your idol, Richard Gere, sikhs, Hindus, Rainas, Muslims…you really are not very smart…try reading a book instead of watching the Bravo channel…

          • Chris P

            So you clearly don’t understand such a simple concept.

          • Sandy

            no, you don’t….

          • Chris P

            So in Siberia there are lot of Mormons?

          • Sandy

            there might be…but I’m sure you don’t know as you have yet to leave your mommy’s basement…..

          • Chris P

            Says the clueless one.

          • Sandy

            mommy is going to send you to bed without your supper, Cliff Claven

          • christianh

            Why, are you Quick Draw McGraw or something…? A gun in its holster is as much use as a non-existent gun…

            Especially when it’s taken from you…

            COWARD…

            I beat patriarchal punks with my hands..

          • Sandy

            sure you do, Airborne….LOL….that’s what all the people who are afraid of guns or are incompetent with them say that one will only shoot oneself or have it taken away….total horse hockey. Try training a little, knucklehead….so, are you going to deny old people the right to defend themselves when a couple of punks come into their houses? My, what a compassionate liberal. Also, you won’t be “beating” anybody when you have two 115gn JHP’s in your chest. You have been playing too many video games…..try reality.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            I carry a gun in church. So?

            I’d carry my gun in a bar if they’d let me. I pretty much carry everywhere I go.

          • christianh

            Could that be why we have 30K gun deaths every year and tens of thousands stolen…?

            Or are you a kind of wimpy guy who can’t defend himself with words and hands…?

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Ummm… no. There are definitely not a rash of shootings by churchgoing concealed carry holders. Since going to a bar doesn’t equate to ‘getting drunk’ for me, I’d disagree there as well. For that matter, I think people use alcohol as an excuse. Anyway… concealed carry holders tend to be among the most law abiding citizens. The reason we have 30K gun deaths a year is because of idiotic gangbangers… mostly blowing each other away, but occasionally their BS spills over into civilized society, which is why I need to carry my gun.

            I certainly won’t get into some ridiculous internet BS pissing match with you, but I will say as far as defending myself with words goes, I think I’ve demonstrated I’m more than capable of taking care of myself… and while we’re on that topic, weren’t we having a discussion about Obama’s deficit reduction? And didn’t you present me with a bunch of BS statistics that I actually took the time to read? And then didn’t I respond to you, pointing out the BS you offered? And didn’t you not respond? Was there perhaps a bit of projection in your last question? Just askin…

          • christianh

            No, more deaths are simple domestic violence among WHITES… Along with accidental shootings by WHITES…

            And where do MOST gangbangers get their guns… WHITE GUYS who sell illegal guns…

            The deficit has dropped faster than since WWII and that’s WITH you white guys trying to screw up the recovery…

            That’s why so many people KNOW it’s racism… No POTUS has ever faced “where is your birth certificate…?” Or “he’s a Muslim communist…” ETC. ETC. ETC…

            KCID A TAE…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            In what reality do you live? According to any reliable source gun violence disproportionately affects blacks. http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/blacks-suffer-disproportionate-share-of-firearm-homicide-deaths/

            However, since you have a history I not reading info that’s contrary to your worldview, I’ll summarize: blacks comprise 55% of gun related homicides while making up 13% of the population.

            I don’t know any gangbangers, so I can’t say where they get their guns, though I suspect they steal them or get them from other gangbangers.

            I already addressed the point about the deficit. It’s easy to have the largest reduction in history when you jack up the deficit some three times what it had previously been. Obamas best deficit is still at least $55 billion higher than Bush’s worst deficit. All the statistical manipulation in the world won’t change that.

            So you really think that if Joe Biden were advocating all the same policies as Obama, republicans would be fawning over them. Please. Get a clue. The most racist thing about Obama is that >95% of blacks voted for him.

            Malcolm X would consider most modern blacks “chumps.” That’s what he called them when they voted > 80% for the democrats when they hadn’t done squat for blacks.

            Obama hasn’t done squat for blacks. Black unemployment is higher than ever, etc. Malcolm X was right.

          • christianh

            The one little cowards like you created… According to your theory whites shouldn’t be affected at all…

            You make and sell the guns while forcing people into corners so you can feel better about your lack of achievement, but continue to vote for people who want less education and less high paying work for you…

            They move your factories, you blame minorities, you vote for them again and the cycle continues…

            Three companies own almost all of the news because you voted for deregulation of the free market…

            Are you down there in WV or SC cleaning up what the free market dumped in their water…? Do you sit quietly as they close WOMEN’S HEALTH CLINICS ( if they didn’t have vaginas…)?

            SCREW YOU…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            What “theory” are you referring to? I don’t have a theory. I just need to clear out the rubbish heap of incorrect information you leave in your wake.

            I don’t make guns, I buy them.

            Who blames minorities for moving factories? What the hell are you even talking about?

            I live in NC.

            They’ve closed a number of so-called women’s clinics around here aka abortion mills, and you won’t see me shed a tear about it, that’s for sure. For that matter, if you care som much about blacks, you should celebrate that. Margaret Sanger’s racist vision for abortion in America is coming true… More black babies are aborted than born these days, pretty much exactly what the racists at planned parenthood wanted from the beginning.

          • christianh

            All of your comments are because you have no balls and not much more actual knowledge… Only a closeted guy would stand by and watch their sister be deprived… Or their mother…

            And only 3 of 100 visits are for abortion… Some women need the hormones in birth control, all need pap smears like men need prostate exams…

            Women’s plumbing has to be more complicated to make fools like you…

            Every time you’ve brought up something you’ve made sure to say how “blacks this, blacks that…” Just like they want while they rob you…

            If they have the kids and can’t afford them, you have a problem… If they try touse birth control, you have a problem.. If they have an abortion to make one less poor kid, you have a problem..

            YOU JUST HAVE A PROBLEM and should seek therapy…

            After you help clean up the oil spills you so desperately want…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Ahhhh yes, resorting to the ad hominem… The last refuge of those who are wrong but can’t admit it. I guess it was just a matter of time.

            Anyway… Was that some sort of homophobic comment… The closeted thing?

            I couldn’t care what % of visits are for abortion, no bs statistic you come up with is going to change planned parenthood racist eugenic vision. Planned parenthood has always wanted less black babies, and singl motherhood, welfare have pretty much destroyed the black family, which was more solid than the white family until LBJ proclaimed he’d have the [blacks] voting democrat for the next 20 years… Of course LBJ didn’t use the word blacks.

            You’re a lunatic. I’ve brought blacks in two… Maybe three posts in response to your erroneous statement that most gun violence was by whites, perpetrated by whites. That’s just wrong. Facts are facts, like them or not. Race didn’t get injected into the conversation until you did it. I couldn’t care less about someone’s race. Race is meaningless to me.

            Of course, you did shed some interesting light on your thought process. I think it’s interesting that somehow it’s my problem if someone has a baby and can’t afford it. From my perspective, that seems like their problem. Besides, if someone doesn’t want/can’t afford a baby, there are plenty of couples ready to adopt. There are more people waiting for newborns than there are to go around. That’s why so many adopt from foreign countries. Someone else’s irresponsibility doesn’t automatically become my responsibility… Sorry to inform you.

            When did I say I had a problem with birth control. I know it’s fun to make stuff up and fly into hysterics, and I know that facts are a tough thing for you to wrap your head around, but if we could try to plant these conversations in reality, that would be helpful.

          • christianh

            No, I have gay friends who treat women better than you… And again with comments like “less black babies…”

            Planned parenthood is used by MORE WHITE WOMEN IDIOT… They now have to go to Mexico from Texas to even get checkups much less abortion services – which aren’t any of your business unless it was your sperm…

            Why would blacks vote for people who left a party so they could continue their racism…? Or who allowed them into a party to continue their racism…?

            You are definitely a sucker of the first order…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Is English your second language or something? You have serious comprehension problems.

            You have no idea how I treat women. I can’t speak for your gay friends, but my wife and daughters have no complaints regarding my treatment of women.

            Try to follow along closely. I’ll try not to use big words to minimize your confusion: I never said more black women that white women use planned parenthood. I said more black babies are aborted than born in the US. Do you see the difference? Keep rereading those sentences until you understand them. Repetition is the mother of pedagogy… or andragogy in your case.

            Back at you: Why would blacks vote for that party that attempted to undermine the civil rights act? More Republicans voted for the civil rights act than democrats. Why do you think they called those old southern racists Dixiecrats? Why would you continue to vote for a party that continues to portray blacks as inferior… unable to get a leg up unless the white man grants it to him. You’re apparently unfamiliar with the soft bigotry of low expectations.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Your most recent comment was moderated. I’ll reproduce and respond here;

            “You’re an idiot… Blacks are only 13% of the population… I guess there aren’t more whites on welfare either…”

            Yeah… ummm… I’m the one that pointed out to you that blacks are 13% of the population a number of replies ago. So? What your point? No one was talking about welfare. There probably are more whites on welfare than blacks? Again, what’s your point? Do you have a point? It certainly doesn’t seem that way. I guess when you can’t follow a conversation and reply to points that are actually offered, it becomes hard to make broad conclusions. Welfare, in general, is destructive and bad for society and families in general. I don’t support whites, blacks, reds, or yellows being on welfare.

            “Black women don’t have people threatening them to have abortions, idiot…”

            No one said black women are being threatened into abortion. Thanks for addressing another point I never made. Apparently you don’t see the tragedy in more black babies being murdered than being born. It probably makes it more sad that black women are freely killing their babies.

            Is this the best you’ve got… a bunch of strawman arguments addressing points that no one ever made. I guess you are cut out for the Democrat party.

            “If some dumb f#$@ thinks abortion will, wait.. Never mind… No wonder your wife and daughters don’t talk to you about this stuff…”

            I said I have a wife and daughters, I didn’t say they don’t talk to me about this stuff. We talk about everything. Hell for that matter most women can’t even be described as pro-choice. My wife and daughters are in the majority of women that believe abortion should be illegal under most or all circumstances. I’ll post the link for the sake of completeness, knowing full well that since it disagrees with your world view, you’ll never click it and certainly wouldn’t read it. http://www.gallup.com/poll/162374/americans-abortion-views-steady-amid-gosnell-trial.aspx

          • christianh

            Just continue to lay under fools… Why is it that NO DEM woudl ever say don’t use wind because we’ll slow it down…? Or women don’t want equal pay.. Yes, a GOP woman said that…

            Or how about the imaginary impeachment used to rile up rednecks…?

            All GOP..

            And your Gallup poll was from last year.. It still said more people believe it should be legal under certain circumstances… The only pro-life women I know are ones whose husbands are pro-life… But only because you like obedient women who can’t make as much as you…

            Have you ever heard the term Stepford Wife… Maybe we can add Stepford Daughter…

            True independent women don’t want anyone telling them what choices to make or to make them for them…

            If Roe v. Wade is law and Texas and other states say, we can change it, don’t be surprised when they come for you…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            “Just continue to lay under fools…”

            I don’t even know what this means. You might want to have a native English speaker review your comments before your post them. They might actually make sense then… I know it’s a stretch, but stranger things have happened.

            “Why is it that NO DEM woudl ever say don’t use wind because we’ll slow it down…?”

            Probably because they’re too ignorant to realize that it’s true, and probably because their lobbyists would get pissed. You can read about wind turbines affecting weather here: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-wind-turbines-affect-temperature/ and you can read about wind turbines slowing down the wind here: http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/fyi-do-wind-farms-make-it-less-windy

            “Or women don’t want equal pay.. Yes, a GOP woman said that…”

            Ummm… no she didn’t she said women don’t want equal pay laws. You can read about that here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/02/marsha-blackburn-equal-pay-laws_n_3375167.html

            For that matter any party that has Joe “the gaffemaster” Biden as a member shouldn’t point out gaffes from anyone.

            “Or how about the imaginary impeachment used to rile up rednecks…?”

            Hmmm… I believe this impeachment is imaginary, but it’s in your head. Sure lots of us would like to see Obama impeached and lots of us know there are grounds for impeachment, but the vast majority of us are aware that this country will never impeach the first black president.

            Oh wait… I forgot we did impeach Bill Clinton. My bad.

            “All GOP..” Yep… and all incorrectly cited by you, as I’ve pointed out above.

            “And your Gallup poll was from last year.. It still said more people believe it should be legal under certain circumstances…”
            So? How much do abortion stats change in a year? Though I congratulate you for FINALLY clicking a link and following up, if you’d actually read the whole data set, you’d see that pro-life/pro-choice positions have been relatively stable for about 20 years, with a slight preference to pro-life. In other words, if those data follow trends of the past 20 years, there are even more pro-life people now than previously. Do you have a more recent poll that contradicts what Gallup says? No? I didn’t think so. This point, like most points you’ve made is completely irrelevant.

            “The only pro-life women I know are ones whose husbands are pro-life…”
            That’s not surprising. Most liberals only tend to associate with Liberals. I know lots of pro-choice and lots of pro-life women? So what? That doesn’t change the data I’ve posted.

            “But only because you like obedient women who can’t make as much as you…”

            Well given that my wife is a full professor and I’m not, and given that she’s got mucho research dollars from her grants, my wife’s income dramatically exceeds mine.

            Obedient? Please. You’ve not met my wife.

            “Have you ever heard the term Stepford Wife… Maybe we can add Stepford Daughter…” Perhaps, but my daughters damn well better do as my wife and I ask. Perhaps that the another difference between you and me… I have standards that to which I expect my family to adhere, and they have standards to which they expect me to adhere. The having standards thing works well. You should give it a shot.

            “True independent women don’t want anyone telling them what choices to make or to make them for them…” True. I don’t make choices for my wife. She’s her own person.

            “If Roe v. Wade is law and Texas and other states say, we can change it, don’t be surprised when they come for you…”

            Another incoherent statement that seems to come from left field, but believe me when I tell you… nothing would surprise me coming from you fascist, totalitarians on the left. Leftist thought almost invariably results in totalitarian behavior. We’re aware of it and we’re ready for it.

          • christianh

            I read those things and as a mechanical engineer realize that local phenomenon is not global… Putting up buildings has a similar effect…

            He meant we would raise the temp GLOBALLY… And technology is how we have anything… That’s perhaps why some designers are making VAWT (vertical axis wind turbines) which don’t create the “eddy effect..”

            Last time it was let’s keep burning oil so we don’t kill birds…

            That’s suicidal… Scientists got us to the moon, I think improving wind and solar is more than possible… But at the sam etime Germany – without DEATH VALLEY) is producing FORTY PERCENT of their energy from solar…

            But of course to make EVERYTHING political that doesn’t matter… It only matters when it’s what you want…

            As far as FASCISM, that’s when you say, NO VET BILLS, NO JOBS BILLS, ONLY TAX BREAKS FOR BUSINESS…

            Businesses can invade your sex life and reproductive choices… THAT’S YOU GOP AGAIN…

            Admit that you are a sucker who can’t think for himself… You can only think what Fox tells you…

            PATHETIC…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            What are you the king of redirection or something? The word “global” wasn’t spoken in that context. If it was, post your link and prove me wrong.

            The fact is what was stated is true wind turbines affect weather and slow down the wind. You might think global was implied, but it was only inferred by you. Again… post your link… prove me wrong. It should be low hanging fruit… unless you’re wrong–again.

            We’ll look forward to VAWT technology, but for now, wind turbines affect both weather and wind speed.

            “Last time it was let’s keep burning oil so we don’t kill birds…”

            I’m not sure what this is referring to, but I didn’t say it.

            “That’s suicidal… Scientists got us to the moon, I think improving wind and solar is more than possible… But at the sam etime Germany – without DEATH VALLEY) is producing FORTY PERCENT of their energy from solar…”

            Yes and many many people in Germany can’t afford to pay their power bills because of it. You can read about that here: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of-german-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html

            “As far as FASCISM, that’s when you say, NO VET BILLS, NO JOBS BILLS, ONLY TAX BREAKS FOR BUSINESS…”

            You may wish to look up the definition of fascism.

            “Businesses can invade your sex life and reproductive choices… THAT’S YOU GOP AGAIN…”

            Ummm… no they can’t only government can. Coca Cola doesn’t compel me to do anything, the government does.

            “Admit that you are a sucker who can’t think for himself… You can only think what Fox tells you…

            PATHETIC…”

            I don’t really watch the news. I get my news unfiltered from press feeds. I don’t really watch TV… except for the Walking Dead.

          • christianh

            Go and choke on soot while your faucet catches fire… There is NO excuse for not embracing CLEAN ENERGY except having a death wish…

            There is no excuse for not minding your own business when it comes to a woman’s body..

            There is no excuse for disenfranchising voters and gerrymandering your way to power…

            There is NO excuse for the vitriol spewed at this POTUS…

            But all of those things are an excuse to not respect vermin like you…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Big Gasland fan, eh? I guess you’re not aware that the movie has been completely debunked as bs liberal propaganda.

            I do like how you immediately revert to personal attacks when the facts aren’t on your side. Perhaps it’s you that requires a therapist.

            Here’s a biological fact for you: a baby, fetus, blastocyst or whatever euphemism you use in place of baby isn’t part of a woman’s body. It might temporarily reside there, but isn’t her. That’s why it comes out and survives on its own. Neat, huh?

            I’m not sure what disenfranchising voters refers to, but if I were black, I be insulted by the idea that I were too incompetent or too lazy to obtain an ID, but that’s just me.

            Obama deserves every bit of criticism he gets. He’s a weak, ineffectual leader, and the rest of the world is laughing at him and mocking him. He’s hands down the worst president of my life… And I thought george w. Bush was bad.

            Liberals don’t need a reason to disrespect those on the right… It’s part if your anti-freedom, totalitarian nature. Leftism by it’s very nature is totalitarian and marginalizing. After all who will the democrats save if there are no pathetic helpless victims?

          • christianh

            What a woman does with HER body is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS… If Wendy Davis hadn’t added an amendment to the Texas bill, GREG ABBOTT wouldn’t have been able to vote…

            How easy is it for YOU to go to the DMV..? Your fascist police state will not build DMVs in some neighborhoods (what could anyone steal?) so people (white and black, old and young) have to travel long distances and wait, missing work which many can’t afford…

            Just to say lazy shows your prejudiced view.. Did you figure out that I’m black…?

            Why does the world applaud him wherever he goes..? Why couldn’t Mitt even make it work in ENGLAND, our closest ally (does Mitt the Twit ring a bell)…

            I don’t know if being racially motivated or politically motivated is worse.. Obama has one of the best ACTUAL RECORDS of any POTUS, especially modern ones…

            Name some thing he didn’t do well…? Can’t mean bin Laden, can’t mean Libya, can’t mean the deficit, can’t mean health care, can’t mean job growth…

            Name one actual tangible thing…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Yes… I agree, what a woman does with her own body is her own business. I see you chose to ignore the OTHER relevant element of that equation… specifically, that a baby, fetus, blastocyst or what have you, is not HER body. It’s quite simple actually.

            How do these people who can’t get ID’s function in society? You can’t do anything. It’s as easy for me as it is for anyone to get an ID, I have to take time off from work, go to the DMV, waste a bunch of time, etc. Welcome to the world of bureaucracy. Yes, you have to travel to a DMV, I have to do it too, there’s one DMV where I live, I have to go there. The US is pretty much the only free society that doesn’t require ID, which is why our elections are a joke.

            I had no idea you were black, and I really couldn’t care less.

            He’s applauded out of courtesy. Funny you should mention the UK: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/383126/Britain-s-special-relationship-with-US-now-in-jeopardy

            Mitt? What about him… why do you assume I’m a Republican? I’m a registered Independent and have been my whole life. I think the Republicans are a bunch of spineless, feckless, panderers… for the most part anyway.

            What “record” are you referring to? I note that you didn’t publish a source for that one. I do know that his approval ratings are historically BELOW average: http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

            Name something Obama didn’t do well. Hmmm… let’s see: Obamacare, track down Beghazi killers, close Guantanamo Bay, retain the velocity of US currency, presided over a real median decrease in household income, presided over a doubling of the long term unemployed in the US while simultaneously maintaining high unemployment numbers he promised to lower, letting people keep their doctor, letting people keep their health insurance, increased the deficit, increased the numbers on food stamps, While Barack Obama has been president, U.S. home values have fallen by another 12 percent, increased the national debt by an average of $64,000 per person and increased the national debt by 2/3 from about 9 Trillion to 16 trillion.

            How much longer would you like me to go on like that?

            Libya is a disaster. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/24/libya-disaster-shames-western-interventionists

            Obamacare is a disaster. Less than half the country approves of it. You call that a success?

          • christianh

            Registered independent…? HA…

            ALl those things happened because the new POTUS can’t wave a magic wand and erase hat the previous one did… It took GWB two years to ruin the surplus he was left and he did…

            With a bunch of rednecks blowing dog whistles, I’d expect the approval to drop but it’s still MANY TIMES HIGHER THAN YOUR GOP CONGRESS…

            Why is everything the fault of DEM to you when the whole world says our Conservatives are scum…? An independent should be able to tell the difference between DEM and GOP policies and this adminstration vs the last one…

            You’re just like the pathetic rest of them..,

            Were you screaming about the giveaways GWB had or did you JUST find Jesus when the black DEM got in office…? The Tea Party didn’t show up until AFTER…

            Just know that I’m trying to end your garbage and save this planet from your filth and poison…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Obama can’t hide behind GWB forever. He needs to man up and take responsibility for the messes HE’s created, of which I detailed about 20. This is just more obfuscating for Obama… for some reason… I can’t figure out why. He’s awful… just awful.

            Congress deserves it’s low approval rating.

            Everything is not the fault of the Dems… the Dems just happen to creating the most destruction currently. I was just as irritated by GWB’s brand of so-called “Compassionate Conservatism” GWB instituted massive increases in spending and I was pissed about that too.

            As I mentioned… yeah… I was pretty pissed about a number of policies of GWB, spending as mentioned, Iraq, Medicare part D, No Child Left Behind… all rubbish.

            Good luck ‘ending my garbage…’ which will be particularly difficult since the facts are on my side.

          • christianh

            e’s not.. he has a pen and a phone and is getting some things done for the middle class, unlike the GOP you conveniently leave out of the equation (like any IND would..?) who is naming post offices and making health care harder for young women…

            While simultaneously pissing off every religious group that actually follows Jesus’ example (Conference of Catholic Bishops being the most prominent)…

            Are you saying we should just let the Koch Bros buy our Democracy and blame Obama…? They backed the attacks against the ACA and women’s health and voters…

            FOOLS AND THEIR MONEY THOUGH…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            I’m the middle class and I don’t see where he’s gotten squat done for us. Perhaps you can provide some specifics, but I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to back up any of your assertions.

            I’m forced to vote for the GOP, they’re stupid, but they’re less dangerous than the Democrats, that’s for sure.

            Free birth control doesn’t equate to healthcare for women.

            Hmmm… maybe you should actually READ something about the Koch Brothers… what are you an automaton?

            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/busting_the_democrat_myth_of_the_koch_brothers.html

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Here’s a great link detailing obama’s absolutely horrific performance in creating jobs: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/011014-686041-counting-the-ways-obama-policies-have-failed-to-create-jobs.htm

          • christianh

            It would take about 35 links to show how many legitimate jobs bills the GOP blocked… Obama has gotten millions of vets jobs through his wife’s JOINING FORCES campaign and signing an EO to allow vets to more easily transfer their credentials to civilian certifications…

            Find ONE Jobs Bill out of the House that didnt’ involve tax breaks and the Keystone pipeline ONLY…

            And we have 8 million new jobs… PERIOD… If the GOP you support by attacking DEMs and Obama would do anything to help other than shutdowns and filibustering, we’d have more repaired bridges, schools, roads and airports…

            But NO, you just want the same gridlock and I want to end you…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Thirty-five, huh? Well, I wonder why you didn’t bother posting any. Got a link for your ‘millions of vets’ point?

            Ummm… I’m for corporate tax breaks. The US has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world, exceeded only by the UAE or something. Yes, great cut corporate taxes and let companies create some jobs. I’m also for the Keystone pipeline. CA is going to sell the oil, we should buy it.

            Interesting how you never post any sources for your stuff. Who can say how many jobs were created since his administration lies about it: http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

            If we could just stop spending some 62% of our budget on entitlements, we’d be a lot better off. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/10/federal-spending-by-the-numbers-2012

            Calm down, Christian… it’s just the internet.

          • christianh

            BS, we spend MORE THAN 50% on DEFENSE… And the tax rate is useless if NO ONE PAYS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO IT…

            Billion dollar companies ARE PAYING ZERO and some cases GETTING refunds while their costs go up because the streets and bridges are crumbling…

            Great tradeoff if you’re an idiot…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Wow… How can you, one person be wrong about so much. You should look things up before you just post things all willy nilly… According to pretty much any source, the military accounts for less than 20% of the federal budget.

            I know you won’t actually read this link, but I have post to back myself up, and if anyone is interested in actual truth, not the stuff you just make up.
            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

          • christianh

            There are two forms of government spending, mandatory and discretionary… The military accounts for 54% of mandatory spending…

            PERIOD…

            And social programs DON’T KILL PEOPLE…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Wow… Thanks for another pointless post, Christian… a reply without any relevancy. In keeping with the alliterative nature of this post: what you’ve offered is a distinction without a difference. Is mandatory Federal spending not Federal spending? Does that money not come from taxes? You might as well say that your food budget, since it’s discretionary doesn’t affect your monthly expenses. That statement would be nearly as foolish as the one you’ve offered.

            Thank God the military kills people. That’s what a military is for.

            Social programs have destroyed urban families and caused rates of crime and poverty to skyrocket. So, No, social programs don’t kill people outright, they just make them impoverished slaves. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/09/marriage-americas-greatest-weapon-against-child-poverty

          • christianh

            If you’re dumb enough to believe that, you are DEFINITELY a Repealican… Complete with your “worry” about minorities, while very few places have less than 10% ILLITERACY… Yes, including the whitest of white states… DUMB AS ROCKS…

            You just have to feel that minorities are somehow lacking so you don’t have to feel AS BAD about not knowing anything EITHER…

            Pop culture caused those problems… The media promoting useless crap did that…

            Look up COINTELPRO and tell me about minorities…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Wow… and I thought your posts were incoherent before this, but this post has devolved to complete incoherence. It seems to be random English words strung together, but fails to make any point or even address anything we were previously discussing.

            So the only thing of concern with respect to minorities is illiteracy? WTF are you talking about? You’re saying there are dumb white people? Ummm… yeah… there are dumb people of every race. Is this a newsflash for you or something?

            Actually… I don’t feel that minorities are lacking… I feel they’re every bit as capable as anyone else.

            As far as not knowing anything… I know that I can string together words in a coherent sentence and can follow through with an argument. I also know that you’ve failed to counter any of the points I’ve made with any actual facts. You get all pissy and flustered about stuff, buy you never have any real responses… because I’m right. It’s just too painful for you to admit.

            Pop culture caused single motherhood and the dissolution of black families? Hmmm… got a source for that? I posted my source.

            I’m familiar with COINTELPRO… what’s your point? COINTELPRO targeted any dissident political organizations and/or people. Sure, they targeted MLK, but they targeted plenty of white people too… Stanley Levison, Howard Baker, Frank Church, etc.. What’s your point? Lots of these programs were authorized by Democrats like RFK. Hilariously, this program was ramped up under DEMOCRAT, LBJ.

            What was your point about COINTELPRO again?

          • christianh

            You mentioned people.. COINTELPRO was after entire black neighborhoods being raised up by the Black Panthers..

            Reagan sided with the NRA and banned open carrying of guns so the Black Panthers couldn’t carry them for protection from racist, vicious cops… Not to mention what was actually pumping drugs into the neighborhood…

            Don’t ever mention minorities because if I talk about the lowest of the whites in this country, you change the subject…

            Like the fact that the highest concentration of food stamp use is in poor white areas…

            There is no such thing as a poor black county… We’re surrounded… People in Utah and ND are suffering because you are so worried about how inner-city youth are doing…

            Not to mention how much you avoid the things the GOP does because you THINK they won’t affect you but they affect themselves…

            If it wasn’t for an amendment Wendy Davis added to the Texas voter id law, Greg Abbott wouldn’t have been able to vote…

            That’s stupid..

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            I mentioned people? WTF does that mean? Of course… we’re discussing humans, thus I mentioned people?!?

            Yes, the government, the country in general has some despicable history under its belt… as do the governments of most nations. This isn’t news either.

            Your point about the NRA, while true, is incomplete. The NRA had been advocating gun control since the 1920’s. It didn’t start with the Black Panthers. It started with Karl Frederick.

            You can talk about whites all you want. I haven’t changed any subject; I’ve corrected, clarified, and responded to your posts, but I’ve never changed a subject, and I’ve addressed every element of BS you’ve posted… which is something you can’t say.

            Yes, the largest users of Food Stamps are whites? What’s your point? Did I say that blacks were the largest users of food stamps? Nope. The only point I ever made about food stamps is that food stamp use increased 70% under Obama. White, black, or otherwise is irrelevant, only that under Obama, working class citizens have been further impoverished. That was the point.

            You might want to reconsider your ND point… ND has seen a 13% increase in GDP, massive population growth and increases in employment. There are lots of poor whites where I live. What’s your point?

            I haven’t avoided anything the GOP does…. for that matter, I never proclaim some great affinity for the GOP. I’ve said the opposite. I generally vote GOP because they’re less dangerous and less totalitarian than the Dems, but I hold my nose to do it.

            I’m completely pro-Voter ID to imply that minorities can’t get their act together enough to get an ID is absurd. The US is the only free country in the world, perhaps one of the only countries to not have a voter ID law. The only reason that dems are against is so they can get illegal votes.

            If you can’t get your act together enough to get an ID, you probably shouldn’t vote.

          • christianh

            In 1983 the first year I was able to vote they had no picture ID…

            There is no such thing as a voter id… You show id when you REGISTER…

            The laws are saying a gun permit works before a STATE COLLEGE ID…

            You don’t address anything or you would be talking about the Fascism of the GOP… Not one vote for vets, children, the elderly or CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, the backbone of a modern society…

            They fire teachers, firemen, police, cancel programs to help people who may have hit a rough patch and even want to cancel insurance for 13 million people…

            Where is your outrage then…? Witch hunt after witch hunt and no work gets done… Even business wants immigration reform… Many even want the minimum wage to go up…

            But you can call Holder names… You’re what’s wrong with our country…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            I never said we have ID. I said every free society on the face of the planet–pretty much–has a voter ID law.

            Showing ID when you register does nothing. If you can show ID when you register, you can show ID when you vote. What’s the breakdown?

            Which law says that? Provide a link or other documentation.

            Your statement about the ‘facism of the GOP’ is incoherent. Failing to approve social programs is a virtue, not something to criticize. I long for the days of a “do nothing” Congress. That’s my heart’s dream.

            Can you provide a link that shows GOP firing those groups you mention? No? Didn’t think so.

            The only thing canceling health insurance these days is the massive failure colloquially known as Obamacare.

            Sure, businesses that want low wage labor want immigration reform… you’ll get no argument from me there. So you’re arguing what big business wants is good for the country? That’s a new one, and would contradict most other things you’ve written in response to me. Remember… you were concerned about what Coca Cola could do to you? So, which is it? Does big business have the best interests of the US in mind or their own best interests? You can’t have it both ways.

            Any business that wants to raise the minimum wage can simply pay their workers more. It’s quite a simple solution actually. Why don’t you read what Thomas Sowell has to say about the minimum wage going up? http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/09/17/minimum-wage-madness-n1701840/page/full

            http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/09/17/minimum-wage-madness-part-ii-n1701833/page/full

          • christianh

            I’ll make it easy for you… Who did you vote for in 2012…? On all levels… So you’re saying that you’d be fine with you not having social programs if YOU need them…?

            Every state with the law (referring to Texas) says a gun license can work rather than a college id.. You say you research, RESEARCH.. But oh yeah you won’t research anything outside of your narrow fascist loving narrative…

            What happens when more bridges fall..? Some have due to Do Nothing Congress..

            YOU SCUMBAGGERS are truly sick in the head…

            Most liberals – I’m a totalitarian who would let you vote for toilet paper color – say this about you… “If it doesn’t affect you, you don’t care,” but if it does it’s wrong and Communist…

            13 MILLION PEOPLE would tell you to stick your ACA commentary… Some may even become violent as I’ve seen…

            Ted Cruz asked people what they thought and he got a big surprise…Nearly 75000 people said “Keep your hands off my ACA…”

            Go to Cruz’s FaceBook page…
            Basically if I have my way, your fascist GOP will end badly this cycle…

            Hope they haven’t screwed up their gerrymander by attacking the part of the base that NEEDS ACA and a higher minimum wage or more vets benefits after Iraq…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Of course I voted for Romney… You couldn’t pay me to vote for Obama, and voting for a third party candidate is simply a wasted vote. So? I voted for Clinton previously. What does any of that say? Nothing, except I’m not a party shill.

            I wouldn’t–haven’t–used social programs when I could have. So… yes… I was unemployed for almost two years. No unemployment… no food stamps.

            Gosh it seems like it would be so easy for you to just post a link, yet you won’t do it. Post a link that details your silly voter ID bs, otherwise it remains BS. For that matter, if you’re in college, that is have a college ID, you have a state ID. I’ll ask again: What’s the difficulty here?

            So you’re saying that state highways and bridges are controlled by the Federal congress? How does that work… or is this more stuff you’re just making up.

            Please post a link indicating where a bridge fell because Congress failed to act. We won’t hold our breath waiting for that one either.

            Funny… I’ve researched everything you’ve stated and offered links to support my posts. Meanwhile, you just rant and rave, offer nothing in support of your ideas, but state I’m the one who needs to research. Okay, Christian… makes sense. @@

            I don’t really care what most Liberals say about me, but that’s an interesting poll you’ve done Christian… or did you just make this up as well? I’m guessing the latter.

            Wow… Obama lies about 7 million and you just almost doubled it. Got a link for that 13 million. Besides the important point about the ACA isn’t how many have signed up, the important number is how many have signed up that didn’t previously have insurance. If 13 million (LOL) signed up for the ACA, but 12.5 million had their other policies cancelled, that doesn’t mean squat. It means they can move people around in the system. Wow. Impressive.

            Wow 75,000 people support the ACA… in a county of 350 million, that’s a whopping 0.02%. You call that a success? LOL. Are you a big Chicago Cubs fan as well?

            Well Christian… we’ll all sit trembling in fear at the thought of you having your way. LOL.

            Obviously you didn’t read the Sowell articles. Apparently, expanding your line of thinking and exposure to different ideas is not something you can do. Damn the facts… full speed ahead.

            By the way… I haven’t called Holder names… though I probably should.

          • christianh
          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Was this graph relevant to something? Anything we were discussing, or is this some lame effort to support your arguments.

            As far as your graph is concerned… Great! I want us to be strong militarily. I prefer that the US be the dominant military power.

            I’m sure you won’t answer this question, but what nation would you want to be the dominant military power? China? Russia? Yeah… That’s a sound and sensible idea.

            Europe is pathetic and weak, and is more or less shaking in their boots knowing Putin can roll through there whenever he wants, and because of their pathetic military budgets, would be powerless to stop him. Europe also knows that Obama is too weak and ineffectual to step up if it came down to it.

          • christianh

            Here is your GOP…

            “The Congressional Budget Office says federal unemployment extensions boost the economy and create jobs, since unemployed people tend to spend their benefits immediately, but Boehner has tended to ignore the CBO’s analysis on this. It’s not entirely clear what the House GOP would like to see in the bill, though Senate Republicans had sought to amend the Senate-passed bill with a measure that included approving the Keystone pipeline, blocking new environmental regulations and giving tax breaks to businesses.”

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/house-unemployment_n_5126634.html

            I don’t even think Bill o’Reilly could spin this to be anything but FASCIST…

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Again… I’m not sure why you assume I’m a Republican. I’m certainly no Boehner fan, but you need to look up the definition of “fascist.”

  • leslymill

    Your conclusion is correct as interpreting the signs of the times, but your blank statement as a title for the article is wrong. The word liberal has been trawsformed into a vile person from their inability to help the poor because they reject Christ. This makes them exploit the poor with their policies. I disagree that is is a firm conclusion as people wake up and are given the chance for real change and repentance.

    Isaiah chapter 32:5: 1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment. 2 And a man shall be as an hiding place from the wind, and a covert from the tempest; as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land.3 And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, and the ears of them that hear shall hearken.
    4 The heart also of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue of the stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly.

    5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. ( Great hope for the future don’t you think?)

    6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.
    7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
    8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand. AN American

    Progressive Liberal Democrat in 2014 are something to flee and heading for DAMNATION IN MY BOOK . They prefer lies to truth, are deceived and love to deceive, they claim right is wrong and wrong is right…they think they help the poor but enslave them eternally. God has shaken and mixed that mess on the left till there doesn’t seem to be anything good left.

  • lisarichards124

    Thank you Doug Giles! Amen man! I have been saying this on my blog site for years and had Christians argue with me that one can be a left wing Christian.

    That’s like saying Hitler gently murdered Jews by-way-of gassing them, you know, putting them to sleep, so it’s not as bad as actually torturing them to death.

    Liberal and Christian is an oxymoron. It’s like saying you can have an abortion, but it’s not really a sin if you go to church regularly, it’s just a medical mishap.

    You either go all the way with Christ and meditate on His Word and God’s Laws as we are told to daily, or you water it down and pick and choose in order to suit yourself while pretending to suit God.

    You can’t call yourself Christian and vote for pro-abortionists. I have learned that and I have said never again will I be so stupid as to think pro-abortion Republicans will come around and side with Christ. They either turn to Christ or they destroy America and our freedom. I only voted for McCain because he had the Christ-follower Palin on the ticket, but look what McCain did to Palin: He threw her and her Godly beliefs under the bus and let Obama get elected.

    I learned then that even with politics we Christians cannot compromise. I did not compromise when I voted Reagan, but I did when I voted McCain, because he back-stabbed Palin and the McCains are not Christians.

    I left my church last year because it was compromising the Gospel in favor of looking good and kool and not turning away basket fillers and secularists. I gave up trying to talk to the pastor and elders about how we were selling our souls out just to not offend people and get baskets filled when its about worshiping God and saving souls, not selling out.

    Sometimes it’s better to be hated and considered unkool then to sell out for the world.

    • christianh

      There were IIRC recorded abortions in Jesus’ time…

      • lisarichards124

        Abortion has been going on since Noah’s time–child sacrifice wasn’t just heaping them on fires, it was also cutting them out of wombs. It’s not new, but it’s murder and churches that excuse it are just as vile and deserve to go down and close up.

        • Chris P

          Noah didn’t exist.

          • leslymill

            The first thing the Fallen Angels taught their human wives was how to abort there babies in the womb….their first step to learning war. Noah was before your time……Jesus is alive.

          • Chris P

            And you are completely wrong. It’s fiction.

    • tr60

      You need a class on logic.

  • christianh

    Oh, I forgot to introduce myself…

    Hi… My name is Trouble.. I heard you were all looking for me…

    • IDAHO PATRIOT

      Go back to your mommies basement you troll. MOLON LABE!!! nsa dhs gfy

      • christianh

        I live alone in a three story townhouse… my mother died… And just like all GOP clowns, you bring that up…

        Does that mean you’re probably doing just that…?

        • IDAHO PATRIOT

          Not even close jackwad!!

  • William A. Bullard Jr.

    ” In the name of Go Amen. We whose names are underwritten the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britaine, France, an Ireland king, defender of the faith ‘et cetera’ having undertaken for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honour of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northerne parts of Virginia, doe, by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the presence of God, and of one another, covenant, and combine ourselves together into a civill body politick, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the end aforesaid…..”
    These are the opening lines of our very first charter of government, “The Mayflower Compact”. It was God who made Man and Man who made government in ‘His’ name according to the civil expression of ‘His’ writ. Now, it may be that you are not Judeo-Christian and you live in my country. We accept you, as long as you conduct yourself according the culture of the writs of our commonly shared faith. If you accept that you can be an American, Christian in spirit if not necessarily in writ. If you claim to be Judeo-Christian but align yourself with those things that are contrary to the culture of the writs of our faith, even though you may be born here, you are not an American, just a squatter talking up room, taking up resources, unfairly taking up opportunities. America is not for Atheists; they have no business, legitimate, here as do all Muslims. Can they live here? Yes, our tolerance permits that, but not at the risk of violence to the civil expressions of the culture of the writs of our commonly shared faith. Live, but not hold office, live but not marry, because you do not meet the requirements. You are neither American in your politics nor Christian in your spirit. You run the risk of incurring our wrath and violating your basic rights to life, liberty and property. But, you represent an even greater jeopardy to our individual rights because they are grounded in Judeo-Christian writ. We are “the” majority; and, o majority ever in history has ‘willingly’ written itself out of the political equation. That is reality.

    • tr60

      Our revolution rejected King George. By inference we rejected the Church of England as George was the head of it.

      We junked everything you claim in 1776.

      • leslymill

        We rejected a sick man in a state of madness..Not the Church.

    • J

      How hard was the oppression of the Roman government on Jews and Christians in the time of Jesus, yet do you have any evidence that he or any of his apostles wasted any of their time trying to “write themselves into the political equation?”

      America is not the church. The church is the church and it crosses all geopolitical boundaries.

      You, who would oppress those you are called to love by forbidding them to marry or hold office, are worse than the most oppressive governments in history. You are worse, because “while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Christ died for you while you were a sinner, and you would threaten your “wrath” upon other sinners just like yourself? You are a fool and a hypocrite, like the servant who was forgiven a great debt and then went out and demanded his due from another.

      That is reality.

  • Devasahayam

    Crore percent on the nail, Doug!

  • PPTA

    For the last 10 to 15 years, I have wondered how come a person, man or woman, race certainly does not matter, can call themselves a Christain, then vote against Christain principals then go back to church and praise the Lord. like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders. I grew up in a Democrat family, I became a Democrat. My first presidental election I voted for JFK. In 1996, after Clinton gave all the guidance technology to China, and recieved money from the Red Chinese Army for re-election, I became a independent. However I still would vote for a Democrat. But the Last National Elecetion, when the Democrats booed and hissed God, when God was put back in their platform, (God never should of been left out in the first place), that was the straw that broke the camels back for me. Never again will I vote for ANY Democrat until the party leadership is totally changed, and George Soros is sent packing. Out of all the minorities that are qualified, both men and women, we got Obama, who used voter fraud, has lied about everything, has produced no school records, and really has not helped anyone but his big donors, (big Bussiness). He is by FAR the most corrupt, dis-honest man I have ever seen elected to office. He has insulted us befor the allies we have, he has no honor at all, He should be impeached, tried for crimes of fraud, possibly even treason, then if found guilty, put him in jail. Our founding fathers, founded this Nation on Christin Principals. Not a denomination. just the principals. Every Federl Government building has inscriptions, the Ten comandments for one, in God we Trust, on our currency and coins, and the list goes on and on. The man who is now president, makes a mockery of this, and the Christain Principals. he even called us a Muslim Nation. We are not a Muslim Nation. Never have been a Muslim Nation. And, we never will be a Muslim Nation.

    • Sandy

      well said…AMEN

    • RLC

      I had already come to the conclusion you can’t be a Christian and vote Democrat. Now, others are starting to state the same in various media outlets.

      • guestimate

        What’s the difference between a democracy and a republic if the representatives you elect, sell out your freedom at every turn? When I say sell out I mean for money.

    • tr60

      “…but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” Article 6, paragraph 3 U.S. Constitution.

      God was never in our government. It is entirely appropriate to leave him out of our doings. We will always do what it is we want to do. No need to sully His name in our proceedings.

    • Revere

      Just we are not & never have been a Christian nation. The Founding fathers back me up on this as it was an issue in their time. They spoke definitively against that erroneous opinion.

    • tr60

      We, as individuals, can be what ever it is we want to be. The beauty of our nation.

  • guestimate

    Can a Christian own a cigar company, without being really superficial about the temple he was given? Can he spout macho insults, self-justified braggadocio-blather in the spirit of truth? All very typical of persons with more testosterone than brains.

  • Chris P

    You are right Doug – liberals aren’t much into the fictional nonsense that is religion.

    • Dave Phelps

      When you stand before Jesus after death of the body, and try to convince Him of your view you WILL find out that hell is real as the Word of God says.

      • Chris P

        Please tell me how that will work when your brain is gone? Alzheimer’s sufferers don’t even recognize their own relatives let alone Jesus and they are still alive. When your brain dies you will not be able to hold such a silly conversation. You have been fed utter nonsense.

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    So, how were so many “Christians” charmed by the “Hope and Change” candidate that they voted for him? Were they blinded by satan or simply believed his lies? Or do they want to continue with the secular loopholes provided by the church’s nonprofit status that shuts them up at every turn?

    • leslymill

      I look a a picture of John McCain and Hillary Clinton and it redeems me….as to why anyone would vote for Bush or Obama a second time ….after the fruits are dispersed …..is way way beyond me.

      • Eagles_76

        You gotta be kidding because McCain and Clinton are no good either. In fact after Libya how can you even mention that dog Hillary’s name.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Most were probably CINOs, akin to the RINOs in Congress. If they were truly Christians and deceived at first, they’d surely have realized their error before ’12

    • guestimate

      They were pretty tired of GW and the police state he gave US.

  • David S.

    Jesus was obedient to His Father. When it came to this world, however, you will never find a bigger rebel. Not overly fond of conservatives or liberals. The never-ending blame game. How about some solutions for a change?

    • relayman

      Solutions? Get big guvmint out of the way.

      • tr60

        How can the rich exploit the poor if you’ve got government regulations in the way!

        • relayman

          What? Please explain.

    • leslymill

      I am fond of both ..it is the Republicans and Democrats I can’t STAND.

    • Sandy

      he wasn’t a rebel; he was fulfilling the prophecies….as for solutions, conservatives have plenty…Dems and RINOs don’t….

      • guestimate

        Standing up against the status quo is to rebel against it, (radical kindness vs. cruelty and mean-spiritedness) but not the kind of “rebel” that Giles fancies himself to be.

        • Sandy

          unfortunately, time has run out for the US, and it is time to rebel against this regime – they won’t acquiese to kindness or cooperation – that’s done. Giles is correct.

    • futurelife

      WE have jerks in all ways of life and you have shown that calling Jesus a rebel as being one of them. Even the church, fakes of course and made sure he was crucified pulled that same act on everyone. Even they tried to say Jesus was a rebel because they was loosing money from the people who left their church to follow Christ. No rebel, but Christ was teaching, even to the end of His life on the Cross. So many people just won’t read the Word of God and pastors will lie or not teach truth because they won’t even read the Full Word out of the Bible to their people. So sad. An example I will give you:
      On the Cross, Jesus said, “my God my God, why have You forsaken me”, is one thing many pastors say God turned His back on Christ… All a lie… read it again, then go back to PS 22…King David said those words, and if they read the Bible, they would know that Jesus never called God God, He called Him Father unless he quoted from others. Jesus never died either, He “gave up His Spirit”, the timing had to be right, and it was.. John 19:28-30. READ as they will try and take the Bible from us as they have in Russia, China and Cuba and other nations.

  • ChainUp

    Yeah, tell these people all about it.
    https://www.facebook.com/TheChristianLeft?ref=br_tf

  • Scott

    A lot of us Christians have never been taught social living or government policies from a Christian perspective. This is the main cause of this situation and will take some time to straighten out. We’ve mostly been taught manners, self diagnosis, wishful thinking, and of course the get rich gospel among other stuff.
    God’s hand is in this and is calling his children and all people to himself for wisdom and redemption

    • Roberto Enrique Benitez

      Excellent point. Many a true believer in Christ has had to learn the hard way that while God instituted government among men for our good, we’ve corrupted it by believing government can and should order people’s lives, change their beliefs, and act as a god, the heart of humanism.

      We need to disabuse of the humanist concepts and steer them to Biblical ones.

  • Susan

    You can’t be both. NO! Christianity is based on Subsidiarity—which is destroyed by Socialism/Welfare that liberalism/Progressives embrace—which “rots the Soul” as Solzhenitsyn, and true Catholics/Christians KNOW. Inculcating dependence destroys Virtue always. Free Market Capitalism is the only way to prevent corruption and promote Free human beings and large middle class.

    Also, government is incapable of “Charity”….since government is always Force (evil).
    You can not allow theft and redistribution by “government” which leads to corruption always, since power tends always to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Proven!!!!

    Charity (Christian Ethics) and Responsibility for the Individual—is pure Christian concepts which are antithetical to Leftism….which wants the State to be Daddy and dehumanize man—reduce the masses all to Slaves of the State (JS Mill).

  • dunc

    for one thing the mis use of the word (liberal) is absurd..progress demands the development of individuality; mediocrity seeks perpetuation in standardization ..the word progressive is used absurdly also.i cannot experience you experiencing your self.there for you are accountable ..very christian .it is collectivism that instills moral relativism.and relativism in ridiculous

  • RubyTwoThree

    Can a person be a Conservative, but not a Christian?

    • sandraleesmith46

      That is possible, yes, although rare.

      • Roberto Enrique Benitez

        Good answer. A certain Orthodox Rabbi friend of mine is conservative. So perhaps we should revise the question. Can a person be a conservative yet reject the Scriptures? I’d think that would be quite rare.

        • tr60

          Scripture is too handy for controlling other people’s lives.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez

            It’s more often that it’s the organized church incorporated that is the vehicle used for controlling people.

            My implication was that we shouldn’t equate being a conservative with being a Christian as that’s far too narrow. Furthermore, it’s the mishandling of the Word that leads to trying to control others as opposed trying to lead by example, encouraging, and exhorting others. Don’t you agree?

          • tr60

            Agreed!

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez

            Thanks. I’m a fundamentalist Pentecostal Christian who has heard of and seen far too much done in the name of Christianity that is anything but Christian. Not doubt you have too, unless you’re a very young spring chicken compared to the old codger.

          • tr60

            Lookin’ at your picture I fear I’ve got a number of “springs” over you… it all looks like winter ahead for me…

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez

            At 68 I feel like I’m part of the over-the-hill-gang. :-0

          • tr60

            That must be an old picture, you’ve got me beat by a few years!

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez

            Yeah, I’ve been using it for about a dozen and a half years years. I’ve lost more hair, have greyish sideburns and beard, and have put n too many pounds. :-(

        • sandraleesmith46

          Very! Not all the Founders were Christians, but they were all agreed that Judeo-Christian law was the only soun foundation on which to build their fledgling nation, in order to achieve what they desired as their goal.

    • futurelife

      Don’t be silly, just read the Bible, and it will tell you… Did the “law” change when the NT came about? NOPE, so why ask such a thing as you did. Conservative just means you use your knowledge to do the best while the libs spend, greedy and self motivated and is all about “self”.

      • charlie Mcadams

        IT DIDN’T CHANGE? REALLY? So it is still OK to sell your sister into slavery, to commit genocide and take 14 year old for your sexual pleasure, to force a brother-in-law to have children with a woman who had no children before her husband died, to stone a WOMAN, not a man,
        who has sex outside of marriage? It changed. I am extremely thankful that we are not abiding by “Biblical law, thank you.

        • Bulldog74

          And thank you for giving meaning to the term “deliberately obtuse.”
          Read the New Testament passages that refer to the Law and then come back when you have something meaningful to contribute to the discussion.

      • RubyTwoThree

        I asked because I wanted to know what people thought. Most people assume that if you have Conservative beliefs that automatically means you are Christian. I don’t agree w/that so I asked the question for other opinions.

        I have also been told that all people that live in poverty are low information voters and are democrats. I don’t find that to be the case either, most are, but not all.

        I thought Conservative means less gov’t, fiscal responsibility, honor the Constitution etc. not just doing your best. Many people do their best, but it doesn’t mean they are Conservatives.

        • Not_in_Denial

          You’re right. Many people had their eyes opened over the last few years and realized that most of the so-called conservatives have nothing in common with the Christian believer. There actually aren’t total absolutes on either side, but with Democrats focusing on creating voters dependent on government handouts, it makes sense that those with a vested interest would vote Democrat. People don’t usually go against their own self interest.

          • RubyTwoThree

            The dems absolutely are doing it deliberately to keep people trapped in a system they can’t get out of, keep them stuck so they need the gov’t. No jobs, no economy, no way out. Unemployment bennies for 5 years? Not how that program was designed, the longer you are out of work the harder it is to get back in the work force especially when there aren’t any decent paying jobs, and what jobs are left you can’t work more than 29 hours a week due to barrycare. Why work 2 or 3 jobs when you can stay home and get a check? People become addicted to the checks. As much as I can’t stand liberals and RINO’s I have to give them credit, the plan is genius. I wanted get started on the plan to keep blacks on the plantation, but it is all part of the agenda to collapse our country, they are patient like islam, they have been at it for years.

    • Lori

      Absolutely! There are many ‘good’ people out there-they more or less follow the Biblical principles of right and wrong(the 10 Commandments), but do they have a personal relationship with Jesus, as that is what makes one a Christian?! There is a difference.

    • Nixon

      Yes, one can have morals and not be a believer. For a liberal to have morals would make him something other than a liberal. For a liberal to be a Christian, he would have to have morals. And a conservative without morals is not conservative.

  • UnCL3

    You tell a “Christian” progressive that, and they just roll their eyes.
    The Supreme Dude does NOT abide!

  • Roberto Enrique Benitez

    Can a believer in Christ be an immature, uneducated, weak Christian, i.e., a fleshly believer? It would seen the New Testament says so but that it’s a very dangerous position to be in.

    • futurelife

      You don’t have to have understanding of the Word if you don’t have the education behind you. Everyone knows what is “right” and what is “wrong” in life, so your inner sense will tell you truth and God and Christ will do the rest. From birth, no one knows much, but we are taught but we do have that inner sense of Right.

      • Roberto Enrique Benitez

        I agree that we were designed by the Lord to know Him in our hearts. Sadly, we’re also all fallen. As such, misinformation, poor examples, lies, and outright evil leads all astray. Thus “good” people do wrong and evil things. That’s the sad result of the sin nature which must be overcome through the blood of Christ.

        Saying that one doesn’t have to have understanding of the Word if one doesn’t have an education is stranding on very shaky ground. In Hosea 4:6 it states, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me.” The results of rejecting God’s knowledge are all around us.

        I was very fortunate to be brought up as a Christian, yet I had to make a personal decision to follow Jesus for His Word to become alive in me. I hope the same is true of you. We need people to encourage and exhort people with the Good News of the Gospel.

  • Mark Robn

    It’s real simple. One of the Ten Commandments says, “Thou shalt not kill.” — Now, when a young boy and a young girl, who are not married, create a new life out of outright rebellion to what they know and have been taught is right, when two young kids or young adults who are not married engage in unwarranted sexual activity – hooking up, dating, talkin’, hitting it, whatever – , and when the inevitable result comes and a baby, a child, a small human being is formed inside the womb, but it’s “inconvenient” and “it’s a choice” and “it’s unborn”, the question pops up again…

    Can a Christian be a Liberal? —
    I like this question better: can a Bible-believer be a Liberal?

    Christians don’t usually kill humans, only in a situation of war have I ever seen someone who loves God and loves life be forced to defend themselves.

    But aborting an unborn child is not “self-defense”.

    So, can a dyed in the wool Liberal be a Bible believing follower of Christ?

    I am going to agree with Doug here, and say, No.

    • charlie Mcadams

      THOU SHALT NOT KILL? ARE YOU KIDDING? How many Christians supported that ridiculous war in Iraq, with it’s lies about WMD’s. It was about oil and more oil. It was the cause of over 100,000 deaths of soldiers and,what more disgusting, innocent civilians including women and children. There’s your thou shalt not kill sin. The Bushies need to be in jail.

      • Mark Robn

        1. I was in the Military, I saw the WMDs with my own eyes. Saddam Hussein hid / dismantled much of his arsenal to hide the fact he had chemical weapons. — 2. The United States, and other nations of the world, are not “Christians”, practically no nation on Earth claims to be a “christian” nation. To classify the United States as “Christians” is to show how stupid you are. — 3. You didn’t read what I wrote, so I will repost it here for you, if you can read English then please read it this time. I chose my words carefully.

        Can a Christian be a Liberal? —
        I like this question better: can a Bible-believer be a Liberal?

        Christians don’t usually kill humans, only in a situation of war have I ever seen someone who loves God and loves life be forced to defend themselves.

        But aborting an unborn child is not “self-defense”.

        ————

        If you are a Muslim, we could talk about wars that Islam has started and advanced over the last 1,400 years… if you have the time….

        If you are a Mormon, we could talk about the Meadows Mountain Massacre….

        We could talk about 911, Pearl Harbor, Battle of Midway, the Normandy Invasion, Hitler’s conquest of Europe, or we could talk about the Revolutionary War, where Yankee Liberals claim they “won that war for America”, all the while they plaster “make love not war” and “coexist” and “war is not the answer” and all that other bleeding-heart liberal trash all over their cars in the form of bumper stickers and such.

        ————

        The bottom line is this: I am neither Liberal nor Conservative, but I do believe in the Bible and what it says. I have read the whole Bible, hence I know practically all of what it says.

        Then again, I can read 4th grade English; can you? — If you are a no-heart baby killing I-am-woman, hear-me-roar type of butch, well it would be a waste of your valuable time to respond, but do so if you must run that fat lying liberal mouth of yours…

        • regroce

          Well why aren’t you featured on national news with your first-person observation of the WMDs?

          • apollodr

            Could this be because the Main Stream Media practically leans to the left and news like these will never see the light of day?

          • Mark Robn

            Let me get this straight — you are asking me why I am not invited to appear on some liberal-biased media show or news cast, concerning eye witness evidence that would prove them wrong? — Think about that a minute, regroce.

          • regroce

            What liberal-biased media are you talking about? Shoot, go to CBS, ABC, CNN — all the ones liberals complain about. Even “we testify in federal court that we’re not real media” Fox News would jump on that one, or some radio shows. If you say you saw it, tell them about it.

          • Mark Robn

            Also, in the military, you aren’t really supposed to talk about things you see, but I guess I dropped the ball on that.

          • regroce

            Incorrect: consult UCMJ – as long as it isn’t provoking altercation with other soldiers (Article 113), or encouraging desertion (Article 82) or (if you’re an active or reserve officer) use “contemptuous words” against high government officials (Article 88) – you can say anything you want. If your information was acquired in covert, you can’t say it for eight years.

            So come and tell us and the rest of the world about this junk. Even the Stolen Valor Act got knocked down by SCOTUS – you have no legal liability. You say it’s true? Then start talking.

          • Mark Robn

            I did — see above. I said what I said. Your communistic threats don’t scare me. I saw what I saw, I was in the middle east (Kuwait), and that’s the end of this discussion.

          • regroce

            What “communistic threats” are you talking about? You say you’re military – you say you saw it – you say you can’t tell anyone ….I provide valid correction, citing UCMJ. But you think that’s “communist”? If so, why on earth did you partake in the military?

            Get off your duff and start talking, Mr. WMD. Again, you have no legal liability, not civilian nor military.

            If you say you saw it, and can disprove the beliefs of a majority of the US — shoot, majority of the WORLD — then why are you sitting on it?

            Do you need an agent to talk to press for you? Someone to ghostwrite for you? I’ll be glad to do both.

          • Mark Robn

            regroce: “You say it’s true? Then start talking.” —- Communistic threat, regroce, as if you even have the power or authority to DEMAND anything of me. —- You don’t listen, stupid. The liberal media won’t listen to reason or fact concerning Iraq’s usage of gas on Kurds. Already a proven point, for the last decade and more.

            I don’t feel the need to prove anything to anyone. I am a grown-up, and grown-ups don’t need to prove or “disprove” anything, especially to an adult? / child like yourself.

            I saw what I saw, I was in the middle east (Kuwait), and that’s the end of this discussion.

      • Jim Schafer

        war and murder are two separate things: war has a specific and purposeful cause—the Death Angel and the salvation of those that had their doorposts and lintels swiped with the lambs’ blood at the initializing of the Passover celebration and the crucifying of Christ at approximate calendar date.
        Murder, on the other hand was Moses not allowed into Israel because of his slaying of one of the Egyptian soldiers. there is a direct consequence for this action whereas the case of war there is not. look at the amount of celebrations that Israel underwent when they had victory, e.g. Jericho and all other battles as they cleansed Israel of the heathen nations.

      • Not_in_Denial

        Thou shalt not MURDER……not KILL, that was a mistranslation in the KJV friend.
        That said, you are correct, many of us have sinned and instead of focusing on Christ and Gospel, focused on nationalism and so-called conservatives who did things that are reprehensible, almost as reprehensible as what the leftists have done to the US so far. We are reaping what has been sown.
        No doubt Saddam was an evil man, but in the middle east you cut down one evil man and a dozen others spring up. It’s the fertile ground that has grown the evil of Islam. And it will continue.
        The true conservative needs to do exactly what the true Christian should do, be like the Bereans mentioned in the Bible. When you’re told something examine the Scriptures and see if it is so.
        I don’t believe the war was about oil, if it were, why didn’t the US get even enough of it to replace what we used up in the whole thing? Why is the price of gas at such a ridiculous level?
        There is a complex set of variables going on here that appears to tie directly in to a power structure established long ago in the world. All I’m saying is that this is a whole lot bigger than the Bushes or the Clintons, etc.

    • Erin Ashley Hedges

      Ever notice how often war is started in the name of Christ? Example, look at the entirety of the crusades. They attacked Constantinople just because it was there, and drove everybody from the city. With no provocation. All in the name of Christ

      • Not_in_Denial

        Don’t use a broad paintbrush to include everyone under the Roman church. That’s very poor scholarship. The name of Christ has been misused much, but, as bad as the Crusades were in some respect, if they hadn’t happened you would be speaking Arabic today and bowing to Mecca five times a day. No provocation, I think not. Mohammedans took the Holy Land, the historical home of the Jews.
        However, the Roman church tortured and killed a whole lot of their own people as well as Jews by torture, boiling in oil, all sorts of lovely things. That’s one reason why it should be obvious that it has no connection with the Christ of the Bible, only a rich powerful system that is trying desperately to hold onto power.

    • Not_in_Denial

      Correct, but check the more exact translation, murder instead of kill. Abortion is indeed murder of an innocent. That’s why the left doesn’t want the whole graphic story of the murderer Gosnell told. He operated that place like any other clinic of death called laughingly ‘women’s centers’, murdering babies and on occasion, women. There is coming a movie that will expose this evil in it’s horrific form. Note that virtually ALL the media ignored this mostly, even the most views by conservatives, Fox. Fox is not conservative, listen to them long enough and you’ll know. The women aren’t prolife and the network is not pro-traditional marriage.

  • DanaE

    Liberals are humanists which by its definition cannot be Christian. It is very obvious by liberals actions that their beliefs are all about the self, not faith in God. Also,one cannot be both a believer and secular, which is liberalism.

  • charlie Mcadams

    On the contrary, Christianity has been totally corrupted by the inane concepts of inerrantists, fundamentalists, and the science hating creationists. They should read the Bible with their brain, if they have one.

    • Curtis

      Quite to the contrary. True Christianity is the very example of inerrancy, fundamentalists and creationists who know what true science is and is not. e.g. the fallacy of evolution (scientifically impossible)
      Ignoring your obvious attempt at insult, we DO read our bibles and believe it for what it says, not trying to minimalize it because our finite minds can’t conceive the magnitude of what is written therein.

      • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

        Statements such as this make Conservatives and Christians look like morons. There’s nothing “scientifically impossible” about evolution. What’s your source for that?

        Why would you limit God so completely? So God can’t create a front-loaded life form with the genetic potential to create all other life forms? What kind of puny God do you worship?

        • Curtis

          God *could* have done so, but did not and there isn’t any observable science to support any other conclusion.

          Evolution is bad ‘science’. It purports that DNA can be added to over time. The ‘science’ supporting this is the change in DNA strains due to such things as environmental influences. e.g. we don’t see people with white skin coming naturally from people who, historically, live in North Africa. This is because of natural selection, eliminating people with DNA strains which indicate white skin. That is not an evolution but devolution or subtraction of dna from the local gene pool.

          There has never been an example of DNA getting additional nodes that were not present before. This is good observational science based in fact and is inarguable.

          Rather than insulting, why not try supporting your rather imperious statement with actual provable scientific facts?

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            I would disagree with you about whether or not there is observable science to support the notion of evolution.

            DNA can be added over time. It happens quite frequently actually. Viruses serve as agents of evolutionary change and swap DNA between species all the time. It’s what they do. For that matter, the genomes of most higher organisms are littered with bits and pieces of DNA that have been added over time.

            DNA does change in response to environmental influences. Antibiotic resistance is a great example. Please don’t state that antibiotic resistance is an example of breaking something, it’s not. There are numerous examples of antibiotic resistance that aren’t ‘broken genes;’ beta-lactamase, the protein that eliminates penicillin and other beta-lactam containing drugs isn’t a broken gene.

            I’m not sure where you’re living, but natural selection hasn’t eliminated people with DNA that codes for white skin. There are lots of white people around. It reads as if what you’re saying is that polar bears aren’t white as an evolutionary response to environment in which they find themselves. Why are polar bears white then?

            For that matter, evolution doesn’t need to be an addition or subtraction from the gene pool. One can simply change one element of DNA and completely change the gene. Just as if I change the word “doesn’t” to “does” in the first sentence of this paragraph would change the meaning of the sentence, small changes in DNA can translate to big changes at the organismal level.

            I’m not sure what a ‘DNA node’ is, but there are myriad examples of organisms gaining completely new functions and entirely new genes. A great example of this is the enzyme known as nylonase. Nylon hasn’t been around for long evolutionarily speaking, however certain bacteria have harvested, modified, and selected for DNA that encodes an enzyme that breaks down nylon. This wasn’t a modification of some existing gene, this is a brand spanking new gene with no known homologues. Moreover, scientists were able to follow the evolution of the enzyme in different strains of bacteria. So… despite your claims of ‘inarguability,’ the point is extremely arguable.

            Where did I insult you? I asked for a source and asked what kind of puny god you worship. How is that insulting?

          • Curtis

            DNA is *NEVER* added to, not even with a virus. DNA does change, yes, but changes through the subtraction of DNA strains which don’t survive a environmental changes. No evidence has ever been found where strains of DNA which were not previously present suddenly appeared naturally, e.g. without man’s interference. All dictionary definitions of evolution require not just a change in DNA but an addition of DNA strains to the string. You can try to spin the truth all you wish, but in the end, you can’t escape from this clear fact.

            With respect to ‘white’ people, you deliberately took my statement out of context. There are, of course, plenty of white people everywhere. They exist in such climes as in Africa due to migration and man’s ability to conform his environment to his needs.

            I won’t go into all the evidence here but if you really are interested in learning more, go look at the following links.

            http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/evolution-not-even-theory
            http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/hasnt-evolution-been-proven
            http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/evolution

            Your insult, as if I really needed to point it out was in stating, “Statements such as this make Conservatives and Christians look like morons”. To say that any group or people are morons or look like morons because they hold to a point of view which does not agree with what you believe is insulting and quite closed minded.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Curtis – I just provided at least two specific examples of DNA being added: Beta-lactamase and nylonase enzymes. Though you might not like it, those are actual additions to the genomes of living organisms. Plugging your ears and shaking your head doesn’t make these examples go away.

            What do you think viruses do when they integrate their genome with that of their hosts? By definition, the statement ‘integrate their genome with their hosts’ further illustrates that DNA does in fact get added to genomes all the time. Again, plugging your ears and shaking your head doesn’t eliminate these facts as much as it makes you appear to be willfully ignorant.

            Again… there are myriad… tons of examples of DNA being added without man’s help. I provided you with two specific examples and honestly, could do this all day, but since you’re not actually responding to the facts I posted, it seems pointless.

            By the way, you’re wrong about needing to add or subtract DNA from a genome to make a different animal. Caterpillars and butterflies are my evidence for this. This isn’t an animal that maintains two genomes or even caterpillar vs. butterfly genes. The caterpillar or butterfly result from different expression of the exact same genome. In other words, the same set of genes is capable of creating two vastly different body plans without a single change to any element of DNA.

            Anyway… there are countless ways that DNA can be added to genomes. I don’t actually need you to discuss the evidence at all; I’m intimately familiar with it. Molecular biology is my chosen profession; I’ve been an actual scientist doing this kind of stuff for almost two decades.

            I didn’t take your statement out of context, you stated that “natural selection, eliminat[ed] people with DNA strains which indicate white skin.” No, it didn’t. This statement also indicates you don’t understand the genetics of skin color. Natural selection may have selected for an existing set of alleles, but it didn’t eliminate the genes. That’s why we still have white people today.

            Please don’t refer me to Answers in Genesis, that’s not a credible source for science information. That’s a commercial site marketing a particular set of products to a particular group of people. AIG isn’t interested in honest science anymore than NaturalNews is.

            I’m sorry you’re insulted by that statement, but as a Conservative and a Christian, your statement does make Conservatives and Christians look like anti-science morons. If you don’t believe in evolution, fine, post something credible and meaningful that disputes it and proves your point (note this does NOT include AIG, the ICR, or Walt Brown’s stuff), but don’t make blanket statements like “evolution is scientifically impossible;” it’s not.

            Whether or not evolution happened is a separate question from whether or not it’s scientifically feasible. It certainly is scientifically feasible, even to someone who doubts the role that Darwin’s ideas played in the whole thing such as myself. One can be a Darwin doubter and proponent of evolution; they’re not mutually exclusive ideas.

          • Curtis

            No, what you did was to reiterate your claim and imperiously expect that your statement would stand on its own. I see no links to notable experts that can be used to support your dubious claims.
            Integration does NOT assume evolution. I am a systems integrator. When I integrate two systems together, the combined output may be different, may behave differently, but I have not changed the architectural structure of either system. They still have the same “DNA” as before integration.
            A virus or bacteria doesn’t have, in and of itself, new DNA just because it combined with the DNA of the host. It may link to the host at the cellular level but the DNA of each original entity remains the same. If what you appear to be claiming were true, then none of us are human anymore because we have all gotten sick and have had virii and bacterii bonded to us and the older we get the less ‘human’ we become. Such a claim is ludicrous as an individual’s DNA hasn’t changed just because they got sick.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Hmm… I see no links to notable experts either, but in general I don’t rely on the logical fallacy of appeal to authority. The information I provided is correct, which is all that matters. If you’d take your head out of AIG and do some real research, you’d learn that everything I’ve written is true. For that matter, I am an expert on this stuff. I’ve forgotten more about this stuff than most people will ever know.

            I never claimed that integration of viral genomes should be equated with evolution, I was responding to your erroneous point that DNA is never added to genomes. It’s added all the time. For that matter, maybe you should have a look at this paper: http://cro.sagepub.com/content/4/3/503.full.pdf

            That paper details the viral origins of the mammalian amylase enzyme. In other words, the linked paper is evidence that not only do viruses add DNA to existing genomes, but that DNA can be co-opted by recipient populations for useful purposes. This paper suggests our ability to digest starch is because viruses added DNA to the genome of one of our ancestors.

            They don’t still have the same DNA following integration, they have whatever DNA they had plus the DNA that was added. It’s like saying my bank account will still have the same amount of money in it after I get paid tomorrow. The money that was there will still be there, but so will the money that I just received.

            Just because you can’t think through the problem doesn’t mean it isn’t so. The human genome is littered with viral DNA. Here’s a link to verify that for you: http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-01/8-percent-human-dna-comes-virus-causes-schizophrenia

            However, just because a cold virus integrates with your genome doesn’t make you not human. You’ve not considered a number of things. For one thing, your immune system can destroy cells that are infected with viruses. Infected cells get cleared. Another thing you’ve not considered is that a cold, the flu, rabies, hantavirus, etc. won’t affect your humanness because they don’t infect sex cells. Only viruses that modify the genome of cells that produce sperm or eggs would be capable of generating evolutionary change.

          • Curtis

            Papers and positions written citing a false science can hardly be considered credible sources. That is circular logic
            That you don’t agree with AiG does not make them less reliable or credible. AiG, which I daresay you didn’t bother to even read, bases everything stated on good observational science.
            Why, I’ll bet you even buy into the garbage about Global Warming, in spite of the ‘science’ having been exposed to be a collection of lies and half truths.
            Nevertheless, I *will* bow out of this ‘conversation’ but not because you have demanded it, but rather because it is pointless to argue truth with a person who is so blinded by centuries of bad science passed off as fact that he won’t know the truth until the day he stands neck deep in fire and brimstone wondering how he could have been such a fool.
            Cast not pearls before swine

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            So then you know what constitutes good science? And all of evolutionary science is bad, but the stuff presented on AiG is good? Well, Curtis, I guess we’ll simply have to agree to disagree. If that’s how you feel, there’s absolutely nothing to discuss. Seriously though… how do YOU judge what’s good observational science?

            You’re right. My opinion is not what renders AiG not credible. You’ll get no argument from me there. What makes AiG uncredible is that they’ve adopted the Bible as their science text and attempt to interpret any and all scientific data in the context of that information. Your Bible is not a science book and you shouldn’t use it as such. Is that where you want your heart surgeon to obtain his information about doing bypass surgery on you? If so, then keep using your Bible as a science text and good luck with that.

            Sorry to disappoint you, Curtis, but I’m old enough to have been scared by Global Cooling as a little kid. I remember being petrified by this In Search Of episode: http://youtu.be/ei-_SXLMMfo Perhaps the planet has warmed up a bit, but I certainly don’t think we caused it, can change it, or that it’s necessarily a bad thing.

            I agree there isn’t much left to discuss. You think the only good science, apparently agrees with your preconceived ideas about the way things should be, and are willing to dismiss centuries of science, much of which was elucidated by prominent Christians, for the self-serving rubbish literally being peddled on AiG. For the third or fourth time: AiG isn’t a reliable source for science or Christian thought, it’s a commercial “ministry” attempting to sell you a bunch of stuff. If you’re so concerned about scientific and Biblical concordance, please, at least visit a semi-reasonable site like reasons.org. I’m not saying they won’t try to sell you stuff, but Hugh Ross is an actual accomplished scientist who seems to be interested in good science and is a Bible believing Christian. I’m not saying such a thing is necessary, but have a look.

            Why is it that I’m going to burn in hell? Because I believe in evolution? You’re right Curtis… we really don’t have anything to talk about. Your posts are starting to read as if you attend a small church in Topeaka, KS.

          • Curtis

            No, I attend a huge church in Lynchburg, VA; however, what a compliment it is to have been identified with those who stand upon truth, no matter how inconvenient and unpopular that stand is.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            So you believe that God is killing US soldiers as punishment for the US “acceptance” of homosexuality? That’s the “Biblical truth” to which you subscribe? You believe protesting the funerals of soldiers killed in action is standing up for Biblical truth?

            I guess believing I’ll burn in hell for believing in evolution seems reasonable in light of these things.

          • Curtis

            My statement about skin color is correct. I just didn’t feel the need to go into extreme detail because I deemed that you would understand the implications. As you do not…

            Skin color is a factor of malin content. Certain people have more of it than others and so they have a different skin pigmentation. People without the means of modifying their environment to themselves AND being white, or light skinned, would stand little chance of surviving the harsh sun. They would have shorter lives, be less viable, and would therefore die off. What would remain would be people with darker pigmentation, more malin (controlled by DNA). Thus they have DEvolved, not Evolved because something has been taken away from their DNA chain.
            A virus or bacteria has deemed to have ‘evolved’ when it becomes resistant to antibiotics and other treatments. However, what actually happened is that bacteria which had stronger traits of DNA were more susceptible to treatment and die off while others were weaker in that trait but stronger in another were not affected – both having the same DNA – one dies, the other remains. The DNA trait which made it susceptible now becoming less dominant. Another example of DEvolution.
            Butterflies which change colors spontaneously, frogs which change sex when needed – all these are examples of creation which has the DNA of both manifestations at the same time, one is dominant while the other is dormant until triggered by a predetermined set of circumstances.
            The Answers in Genisis site explains this very clearly and in layman’s terms.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Curtis, You should stop replying re: this subject. You’re out of your league and offering up statements that are incorrect.

            Your story about white skin starts of incorrectly to begin with. There’s no such thing as “malin,” the word you’re looking for is “melanin.” Skin pigmentation is controlled by at least six genes, some of them are for melanin production, but some are for melanin retention and/or deposition. Nothing is taken away to produce white skin. The same genes are present, they are just controlled differently in the different skin pigment types. Natural selection, in areas where there is more sun will select for individuals with darker skin. The phenotypes already existed, nature just selects the one’s best suited for that environment; nothing is gained or lost.

            Viruses aren’t susceptible to antibiotics and thus don’t become resistant to them. And you’re wrong about antibiotic resistance. The story you’ve offered is the Darwinian answer to antibiotic resistance, but isn’t how most antibiotic resistance is acquired. Have a look at this link, which will explain this quite simply: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmid-mediated_resistance

            What generally happens in antibiotic resistance is that bacteria transfer antibiotic resistance genes to other bacteria. They literally give them the genes… wholesale. One bacterium that is sensitive to antibiotics can become resistant to all antibiotics without any of the mechanism you describe. Read the link I just posted above for confirmation of this. Or read this more technical source if you feel up for it.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18193080

            I never said anything about butterflies changing colors. What I wrote is that caterpillars become butterflies using the same genes. That is two completely different body plans are generated by the same DNA. Read that sentence over and over until you not only understand it, but what it says about what you’ve written.

            What is says about what you’ve written is this: You’re wrong. Caterpillars needn’t change their DNA to become butterflies, they only need to express it differently. In other words, one can see big changes in body, etc. WITHOUT A SINGLE CHANGE TO THE DNA CODE, which contradicts everything you’ve written thus far.

            There is no “dominant strain’ of DNA, that’s something you just made up. There’s one genome in caterpillars/butterflies, and that genome is capable of creating at least two body plans.

            The AIG site isn’t a science site, it’s a for profit site. No scientist worth his salt considers that a reputable source for science information.

          • regroce

            How does darker colored skin, which thus attracts more sunlight, offer any improvement in “chance of surviving the harsh sun”?

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            DNA is just a combination of a few different amino acids and there are only so many. But just because a strand has existed somewhere in that order before doesn’t mean its not new. The exact same combination of amino acids can have drastically different effects depending on the context. Your argument reflects a deep misunderstanding of how biology works.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            DNA isn’t comprised of amino acids; DNA is comprised of nucleotides, of which there are five. Proteins are composed of amino acids… there are around 20 of these… depending on how one defines “amino acid.” The potential sequence diversity of any given linear stretch of nucleotides is given by 4^n, where n is the number of positions in that gene. A group of 3 nucleotides (4^3) has 64 potential combinations.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            You’re right, I mispoke.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            What do you mean when you say evolution purports that DNA can be “added to over time.” We have literally observed evolution happening in real time on bacteria in labs.

          • Curtis

            Because most ‘scientists’ do not practice good observational science.
            Suggest you take the time to read the information on the sites I gave you before we continue. Without that, you are like a one legged man in a butt kicking contest – in possession of only half of his faculties.
            regarding bacteria: No, we haven’t, not without human interference. If you think so, show proof, don’t just state it as a self evident fact, which it is not.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Forget about the lab, bacteria swap DNA back and forth all the time. It’s routine. You can google the word “plasmid” and you’ll see what I mean.

            For that matter, the European E. Coli outbreak of a few years ago is a great example of DNA being added to an organism without human interference. That strain of bacteria went from innocuous and sensitive to antibiotics to dangerous and antibiotic resistant literally in an instant. The bacteria picked up a plasmid containing genes for those traits from some other bacteria. I also suggest you read up on “conjugation” as it pertains to bacteria as well before you progress too much further in this conversation.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            That’s probably true to the extent that most people in any discipline aren’t particularly good at what they do. But when your argument relies on the assertion that you, who has not been trained as a scientist, are better at science than the vast majority of actual scientists, who HAVE been trained as scientists, well, your argument has problems.

            (I’ve already read the information on the sites you gave. It is not new information for me. The common arguments like “the second law of thermodynamics proves evolution can’t happen” are ridiculous and have been debunked over and over again.)

            Regarding bacteria: Yes. Yes we have. Richard Lenski’s research is quite conclusive. If you google his name, you will not have trouble finding his data.

          • Not_in_Denial

            Kyle, continuing to try to explain the faith system constructed by the science community to those whose only faith is in these fallible individuals is impossible. Simply evaluate the complexity of a simple organ, say the eye. How many functions are necessary to make it work as a seeing organ, something on the order of millions? So this was something evolved on it’s own over the course of millions of years. Speaking in terms of probability alone how could this be? And even if ONE did, how did it become the de-facto standard for virtually ALL cold and warm blooded creatures, both land and water based? There is no detailed proposition for this from the science religion, just …..it happened. There are so many holes in ASSUMING these astronomical improbabilities alone to be laughable. I’m laughing. You’re obviously not.
            Why I’m here I don’t know. This epitomizes ‘casting pearls before swine’, and I won’t be trampled by the swine.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            Speaking in terms of probability alone, it’s almost guaranteed something like that would evolve on its own eventually. The probability is extremely high. How are YOU calculating the probability if you’re coming up with something different? The argument from complexity is not new, and it is also not correct. In fact, there is an EXTREMELY detailed proposition from the scientific community about how this happened. You just haven’t researched it. I suggest you do so now. In fact, every single one of your objections thus far have been dealt with in detail. I assure you, nobody is “assuming” anything.

          • Not_in_Denial

            No Kyle, like I said you must be more educated at investments, you might stick to that since you don’t have any idea of what an assumption is.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            Haha alright kid, keep telling yourself that. Have a nice day.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            How can you say this? Do you actually know any scientists? Do you have a source (not Answers in Genesis) that indicates this is the case? Otherwise, it’s just a baseless assertion you’ve offered to prop up your own position, but doesn’t to occupy a place in reality.

            I’ll take my chances though.

            What’s the point in showing you proof? You just blow it off without even considering it. For about the fifth time, why not read about nylonase (http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/apr04.html) before launching headlong into this inane argument you stole from AIG?

          • Not_in_Denial

            This nylonase argument is interesting but, again, is in typical atheistic secularist drivel is built with one assumption on top of another. Atheists will construct a complex web of assumptions to prove anything BUT creation.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            I’m not sure what that means… I’m neither an atheist or a secularist. So because I’m a Christian, I’m supposed to ignore what the God-given gift of science tells me about the world? That’s ludicrous. The major Christian scientists through the centuries–Newton, Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, etc. would be appalled. They felt it was their Christian duty to explore these things.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            What about microorganisms that appeared specifically on the Titanic, and
            feed off her rust? They’re only found on that one ship. What about
            the new strain of fungus, found only in Chernobyl reactor #4, which
            thrives in radiation. Again, only found in that one area. We didn’t plant them there, they were discovered.

          • Not_in_Denial

            So, this microorganism DOES NOT exist anywhere else on earth, OR is this the ONLY KNOWN PLACE? Dealing in that type of absolute is …… unscientific.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Radioactive waste dumps are extremely closely monitored, and have shown no signs of this organism whatsoever. As waste dumps are the only place outside of the destroyed reactor, aside from functional power plants, which are also closely monitored and show no signs of this organism, are the only places on the planet where these levels of radiation are found, there is no other location on earth where this organism is located. As for the titanic, it’s not the only wreck we monitor. there are thousands of other rusting wrecks out there, and none of them show any signs of this organism. It is specific to the Titanic

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Observational science like Astronomy, for instant? By the way, Astronomy says you’re wrong about the age of our universe, too:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_most_distant_astronomical_objects

          • Curtis

            Again, no, you haven’t. See below for a more detailed explanation. In short, we have seen a ‘change’ but change is not evolution. Nothing added, only taken away by natural selection. What remains is less than the original.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            But your detailed explanation below is wrong. My original statement is correct. So say what remains is “less” than the original shows a gross misunderstanding of the topic.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Kyle, This is just an exercise in frustration. Curtis has no desire to actually learn about this topic. I’ve presented him with actual cases of brand new functions being evolved de novo, like nylonase, and he just blows it off and posts links to some rubbish Creationist website that’s trying to sell things.

            The insistence that evolution results in a ‘loss of function’ seems to be falling on deaf ears despite nylonase and Lenski’s citrate metabolism experiments.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Care to see sientific proof as to why these people will never admit you’re wrong?

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Curtis, this is so breathtakingly ignorant it’s frustrating. Things are added to the genome all the time. You’ve completely blown off a great example: Nylonase. So bacteria evolving to digest nylon is less than the original. Please explain that one to me.

            Don’t bother searching AIG’s website for a rebuttal. They don’t have one.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            What about microorganisms that appeared specifically on the Titanic, and feed off her rust? They’re only found on that one ship. What about the new strain of fungus, found only in Chernobyl reactor #4, which thrives in radiation. Again, only found in that one area. I guess these people think those already existed in those specific areas, just waiting for the exact occurrence that made their existence even make any sense

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Hmmm… I’m completely unfamiliar with the Titanic thing, and the Chernobyl thing… I’d didn’t remember it as fungus, or perhaps I’m remembering a different instance. I believe I also read about a bacteria that’s been discovered living in radioactive waste, which I guess is roughly similar to the Chernobyl thing you mentioned, but this particular strain is living inside drums of waste. I think they discovered that some of these microbes have amped up DNA repair mechanisms or something. Very cool.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Hmmmm… I just looked up the Titanic thing, pretty cool. They’ve actually sequenced its genome: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3622986

            Surely an example of evolution. However, when I was replying to Curtis I was sticking to genes that appeared to be completely new… Nylonase qualifies in this capacity quite nicely.

            I’m going to read up on the Chernobyl stuff.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Yeah, again, the two organisms are only found in those two places.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Very cool indeed. My larger point about the nylonase is that that’s a completely new function. Sure these organisms are found only in these places, but Curtis would have responded by stating that there is nothing “new…” in these organisms. And on that point, he’d be right. For example, from the article: “numerous metal-depending and -binding genes are found, including iron reductases, iron uptake regulators, ferrochelase, iron transporters, and iron-binding periplasmic protein-encoding genes. A variety of metallopeptidases are also present in this genome, pointing to a metal. Nitrate reductases are also present.”

            Though this combination of enzymes, etc. might be new, none of the enzyme varieties are new. There are lots of examples of these types of enzymes in the microbial world. Curtis could and would likely correctly respond that ‘they’re still bacteria and there’s no new DNA, only DNA that’s been shuffled around.’ Nylonase is new DNA… a completely new gene encoding for a biological activity that’s never been performed before the invention of nylon. Nylon, unlike many manmade things, has chemical bonds that are not observed in biological organisms. Microbes had to evolve the ability to digest this foreign chemical bond.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            And yet Curtis remains gloriously silent on the matter

          • Not_in_Denial

            I’m waiting for that Titanic bacteria to start talking. Waiting……….

          • Not_in_Denial

            Oh…..how so? Have you had bacteria evolve into some sort of being? Macroevolution does not hold up. Microevolution is the only observable type above the level of bacteria.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Macroevolution is only a direct result of microevolution.

          • Not_in_Denial

            Nah, I think not. Remember Darwin’s finches. They didn’t become lizards.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            So your proof that evolution is fake comes from birds not evolving into lizards. Yeah, that’s a great point. Why don’t you take that to the science professors at Harvard, and see what they have to say. By the way, micro and macro evolution are both just words for the same thing, evolution. If it changes, and the change is better suited for an environment, then it has evolved to suit it’s needs. If this is possible in small ways, how is it so inconceivable that the very thing you people have openly admitted to existing could possibly be the answer to all life on the planet? I’m not saying god isn’t real, the spark of life that brought the first microorganisms had to come from somewhere, but don’t try to say it’s impossible. We already know many cells reproduce by splitting into two or more functionally identical cells, how is it so inconceivable that the very process that creates new skin cells didn’t do the same to form complex life?

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            You DO know that there’s not some arbitrary point where *poof* bacteria suddenly evolves into a chicken, right? Macroevolution is just the cumulative effect of a lot of microevolution. It most certainly DOES hold up. Why would you need to OBSERVE a bacteria evolve into a cow in order to be convinced it’s true? That’s a ridiculously unscientific view.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            DNA mutates, no? At last check, the answer was yes. and if mutations remain, and carry prevalently, life advances

        • NC77

          How about the second law of thermodynamics? Makes evolution impossible.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Sigh… no it doesn’t. If the second law made evolution impossible, it would also make NC77 impossible. The second law states that in a closed system, entropy will increase. The Earth, life, NC77 isn’t that closed system, the universe is the closed system. So while the total entropy in the universe must increase, that doesn’t negate pockets of entropy decrease.

            Think about the implications of that statement. If the 2nd law makes evolution impossible, it makes formation of planets and stars impossible, it makes formation of molecules from atoms impossible, etc, and makes living impossible. Biological organisms are great examples of local entropy decreases that are offset by the massive entropy increases associated with energy usage, etc.

            Take ice as an example… why does ice form? Doesn’t that violate the second law? Ice is certainly less random than water. Ice for sure would represent a decrease in entropy. However, because somewhere coal is being burned, releasing energy and increasing entropy, your freezer can run and make ice from water. The local decrease in entropy that results from freezing ice is offset by the increase in entropy that results from burning coal.

            Does that make more sense?

          • Not_in_Denial

            Your treatise assumes a decrease in entropy in trillions of atoms and molecules to a high level of organization repeatedly occurring over, to quote evolutionists, billions of years. How could this hold up as use posit? Esp. since we’re not talking ice and coal.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Consider for a moment G, the energy required to drive any reaction, G will differ for any given reaction, but all reactions are dictated by G with respect to energy.

            G = H – TS, where T is temperature, H is enthalpy or heat energy and S is entropy. Reactions can be driven by either enthalpy heat energy, loosely, or S entropy. In other words, the entropic restraints of any given reaction can be overcome with an input of enthalpy…

            In other words, energy inputs can overcome entropy decreases… As long as the entropy of the entire system increases.

            For that matter, it happens all the time.

            There’s a whole lot of energy and matter while we’re speaking of it… For that matter there are even more massive amounts of so called dark energy or dark matter floating about… In an incomprehensibly massive universe.

          • Angela Granger

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            Read Genesis 1:26 and consider the implication. You’re either saying God resembles a lower life form and humans evolved to a higher one exceeding him. That’s blasphemy.
            Or you are discarding the survival of the fittest doctrine in evolution and claiming that inferior life forms could claim dominion over everything else.
            I think it’s entirely possible that God ‘could’ have populated the planet via evolution and probably did so especially after the Flood. But not where the human race is concerned. As far as we know, are alone in the known universe as possessing a sense of morality and the ability of higher thought.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            I’m going to have to go ahead and disagree with you here. The whole man in our image thing is related to our ability to discern good from evil and right from wrong. It has nothing to do with our physical bodies. I don’t see how that passage affects evolution at all given that interpretation.

            So are you saying that you think God looks like we do, and that’s why you’re–or some Christians–are opposed to evolution?

          • Angela Granger

            <>
            Until Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge, they lacked the ability to discern between of good and evil.

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            I am saying some people (not just Christians) ascribe to that belief as one of the reasons they reject evolutionary theory. Particularly when it’s used to claim that man originated from nonsentient sea-slime.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Good point about the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That’s when man became morally accountable, and that’s when according to some, the whole “in our image” thing comes into play. In other words, man was a physical being prior to being a spiritual being.

            God can create man anyway He chooses. If he choose to create man via a series of ever more complex life forms, who am I to judge that, and more importantly who am I to run from that knowledge.

          • NC77

            Sigh… no it doesn’t. If the second law made evolution impossible, it would also make NC77 impossible.

            No, because I as all mankind and everything in the earth and all the universe was created by God. He (God) also created the 2nd law of thermodynamics as He also created all science to operate within his law.

            Romans 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            So? What does that at all have to do with what we were talking about? I didn’t deny you were created by God; I didn’t deny anyone or anything was created by God. I didn’t argue that God didn’t create the universe, the laws of physics, dark matter, dark energy, and anything else I missed.

            I don’t get this either…. what did I do or say that is Godless?

          • NC77

            You stated the 2nd law of thermodynamics could allow evolution to happen. That law did not exist until God created it. You are talking in circular reasoning. Instead of talking about conservatives being morons and making Christians look bad, why not just confess you believe in creation and deny that there is any scientific validity of evolution? Instead, you try to invent another God to support the notion that evolution could be scientifically valid.

            Reread what you wrote.

            Statements such as this make Conservatives and Christians look like morons. There’s nothing “scientifically impossible” about evolution. What’s your source for that?

            Why would you limit God so completely? So God can’t create a front-loaded life form with the genetic potential to create all other life forms? What kind of puny God do you worship?

            So the question is… who do you worship? Do you worship Jesus the Son of God? Have you been born again as Jesus requires if you want to be free from your sins and live for eternity?

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Again… So? I didn’t say God didn’t create the 2nd law… I think I said the opposite.

            I didn’t say conservatives are morons. I said certain statements make us look like morons. Please note the use of the word “us.” I’m a conservative.

            Ummm… I’ve always freely proclaimed being a Christian.

            What is this frickin’ Bizarro world or something.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            But apparently, you’re not really a christian. Didn’t you know? Apparently, it’s impossible to think maybe god created the universe as a spark and left it to it’s means, which would explain why it often seems god has abandoned us at times.

          • Not_in_Denial

            Except, Erin, He didn’t explain it that way in Genesis.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Again with your book. I honestly don’t give a damn about what genesis says about the birth of the universe, and I never will. Actual science says that roughly 99% of genesis is pure BS, according to the immutable laws of physics. We will have invented a time machine, and gone back to prove you wrong, before you can offer a single shred of evidence outside of the bible. Genesis has more scientific impossibility than FTL travel, and time travel combined.

        • Sandy

          go and see GOD does Exist….the atheist professor gets rhetorically bitch-slapped by the Christian kid….and he also brings up the fact that Darwin himself at the end of his life thought evolution as it so-called happened was not feasible.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            I never said He doesn’t. I only stated evolution isn’t incompatible with his existence.

          • Not_in_Denial

            Except that He didn’t, as explained in Genesis.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Actually, that was a lie started by a cardinal trying to discredit Darwin at the last possible second.

          • Sandy

            no it wasn’t….try seeing GOD isn’t Dead might change your outlook….

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Yeah, a movie made by christians, for christians is really going to change my mind. By the way, I don’t fall into that group. There is literally nothing you can do or say that will ever in my life get me to believe you are right, and that your way is the only way. Unless you can provide physical evidence in your favor, you have no argument. Which is why creationists always lose in these debates. You claim you have all the evidence you need, but when asked to show it, all you have is a book. Arguing against modern science, answering every question with “God made it exactly that way, it has never changed”, is sheer lunacy. And no, Darwin never once went back on any of his studies

          • Sandy

            so you are chicken….most libs are as they preach “open-mindedness” but when someone opposes them, they are completely intolerant. So why not go, open-minded one”….? Scared? Modern science is fungible, and always has been…science changes constantly…GOD doesn’t. So why not go see the movie? BTW, there is all the historical proof in archeology dug up every year to PROVE Christ’s existence, or were those Dead Sea Scrolls, the unearthing of Caipus’s tomb in the 90’s, and a hundred other things just made up? I hope you will go…heck, I go see Fatboy Moore’s ridiculous movies?

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            The argument isn’t in the existence of Christ, though. Besides your book, who’s to say he wasn’t just a man with a really good message to spread in order to try to put a stop to the violence in the region? No. This is an argument over the very creation of the universe, an event in which Christ had no part in whatsoever, considering, even by your own book, he wouldn’t show up for about 4000 years. The simple fact is, the laws of physics, which cannot be denied, all things are governed by the laws of physics, coupled with observations and experiments conducted by people who have dedicated their entire lives to understanding our universe, all say that the book of genesis, at the very least, is the most impossible piece of trash that has ever been written in the history of mankind. I wanted to be respectful towards your faith, but at this point, you’re trying to discredit people with a far more vast understanding of the universe than you could ever possibly have. These people are some of the most intelligent in human history, the creators of the modern world, and all that makes you comfortable in your daily life, and yet you treat them the same way you would treat a 4 year old child with almost no understanding of the universe or its workings whatsoever. In the eyes of creationists everywhere, anybody who doesn’t believe like them is stupid, or ignorant. Or my personal favorite bit of idiocy, demonic. When it seems like the whole world is out to get you, and you think everybody else on earth is against you, maybe it’s time to look in the mirror for the problem. The problem isn’t us, we know what we’re doing. It’s you, and your refusal to recognize that maybe the people who study this stuff for a living actually know what they’re doing, that is holding our world back. Creationism caused the deaths of any scientist who tried to say the earth was round. Creationism killed innocent people that tried to say we weren’t the center of the universe. And creationism now does everything it can to keep us stuck back here on earth instead of trying to explore the universe, under the false premise that “god made everything like this, so why try to understand it”.Face it, you’re wrong.

          • Sandy

            nice diatribe filled with zero facts. FYI,, the BIBLE said the earth was round before any SCIENTIST said it was. The Big Bang, which has been proven by SCIENTISTS to be the start of the Universe, was introduced by the BIBLE. The Shemetah is the 7 year cycle which has predicted all of the phases through which Israel went through in it’s rises and destructions. The “four blood moons” cycles have done the same, from the year Israel was founded, 1948, to the 67 Arab Israeli War, to many other historical predictions and events in Israels – all backed up by NASA…Dir William Ramsey in the late 1800’s, Professor of Archeology at Oxford, a committed atheist, took a sabbatical to disprove the existence of Paul’s journey documented in ACTS through Turkey. He came to find that it was exactly as the Bible said. http://www.bibleevidences.com/archeology.htm
            Google it if you want to learn. I would urge you to look up the blood moons, one of which happens next week. Also, if you really are open-minded, go and see that movie….instead of just telling me I’m wrong, try proving it. It will help you. Guarantee it.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            1: The bible never said the earth was round, in fact, refering to the four corners of the earth, it assumes it’s as flat as a piece of paper.
            2:The big Bang was never once introduced by the bible. And if it was, why do you people constantly argue it? I’m not the one arguing proven science.
            3: Not even going to comment on the “blood moons”, I’m just going to laugh my ass off when nothing happens whatsoever next week
            4: I guarantee you NASA has never once backed religion as fact. True science is an agnostic system, and while scientists may hyave their beliefs, they aren’t allowed to interfere with the observations at hand.
            5: I have provided links in replies made to comments made by you in the past, not just a general term, but you specifically, and you have ignored them. I could show you the farthest observable object, which, at current distance, couldn’t possibly be any less than 13 billion years old, but you’d just say god made the light that way, despite the fact that it is physically impossible for an object to be 13.7 billion light years away, but the light only be 6000 years old. I could show you the rust eating organism that is only found on Titanic, out of thousands of other documented and studied shipwrecks, but you’d likely just say it was already there waiting for the wreck. Likewise about the fungus only found in the destroyed Chernobyl #4 reactor. How do I know you’d make these arguments? Because I have heard them before, a hundred times, at least. And therein lies the problem. I can provide you with piles of evidence all stating you are flat out wrong about the creation of the universe, while all you can provide is a single book, yet I’m the one who’s automatically wrong? I can even provide the psychological reasons for why you refuse to accept defeat, and it has nothing to do with faith. Scientists have said it a thousand times, if you had real world evidence that supported your argument, we’d believe it. But you don’t. We do.

          • Sandy

            Once again….The Bible came first…science, second….
            The first direct scientific evidence for a big bang universe dates back to 1916. That is when Albert Einstein noted that his field equations of general relativity predicted an expanding universe.5 Unwilling to accept the cosmic beginning implied by such expansion, Einstein altered his theory to conform with the common wisdom of his day, namely an eternally existing universe.6

            All these scientists, however, were upstaged by 2500 years and more by Job, Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and other Bible authors. The Bible’s prophets and apostles stated explicitly and repeatedly the two most fundamental properties of the big bang, a transcendent cosmic beginning a finite time period ago and a universe undergoing a general, continual expansion. In Isaiah 42:5 both properties were declared, “This is what the Lord says—He who created the heavens and stretched them out.”
            http://www.reasons.org/articles/big-bang—the-bible-taught-it-first
            The Hebrew verb translated “created” in Isaiah 42:5 is bara’ which has as its primary definition “bringing into existence something new, something that did not exist before.”7The proclamation that God created (bara’) the entirety of the heavens is stated seven times in the Old Testament. (Genesis 1:1; 2:3; 2:4; Psalm 148:5; Isaiah 40:26; 42:5; 45:18). This principle of transcendent creation is made more explicit by passages like Hebrews 11:3 which states that the universe that we humans can measure and detect was made out of that which we cannot measure or detect. Also, Isaiah 45:5-22; John 1:3; and Colossians 1:15-17 stipulate that God alone is the agent for the universe’s existence. Biblical claims that God predated the universe and was actively involved in causing certain effects before the existence of the universe is not only found in Colossians 1 but also in Proverbs 8:22-31; John 17:24; Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2; and 1 Peter 1:20.

            (CNN) — Prophecy loves signs from the heavens, and they will deliver Tuesday with a moonlight spectacle.

            What will happen could sound sort of like this:

            The moon will turn to blood as it aligns with Earth and sun
            Then do so thrice more ere a year and a half is done,
            ‘Tis not the herald of the apocalypses
            Just the first of four total lunar eclipses.

            In other words, get ready for an unusually beautiful moon to grace the night skies next week. There will be a total lunar eclipse Tuesday that will turn the moon a burnt reddish orange, NASA says.Seven back-to-back, blood-red moons have fallen on the first day of Passover and Sukkot, with the eighth time coming in 2014 and 2015

            Mark found that we have had blood-red moons on the first day of Passover and the first day of Sukkot on back-to-back years seven times since 1 A.D. Three of these occurrences were connected to 1492 (the final year of the Spanish Inquisition), 1948 (statehood for Israel and the War of Independence), and 1967 (the Six-Day War) — some of the most significant days in Jewish history.

            The others were in 162/163 A.D., 795/796 A.D., 842/843 A.D. and 860/861 A.D. We don’t have any historical connections for these years at this time, but we do know of significant Jewish persecution during the eighth and ninth centuries.

            In all eight examples, the eclipses have fallen or will fall on the first day of Passover and Sukkot.

            The eighth occurrence of back-to-back, blood-red moons will be in 2014–2015.
            Time for you to grab a Snickers and re-think…..

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Again, if the bible backs up the big bang, why do creationists argue it and try to say the entirety of the universe is only 6000 years old? I’m willing to accept that god exists in the timeless space between spaces, that’s the only place such a force could exist. but please, don’t ever try to pass the idea of a flood powerful enough to cover the entire planet for a full year as fact. I have said it before, the only place that much water exists is in the ice caps. They would have had to melt in a matter of days, and reform in the same amount of time. The conditions that would make this remotely possible would have wiped literally every form of life off the face of the earth, boat or no. Why? Because you would need to flash-vaporize every last molecule of water on the planet, first of all. life would be boiled from the planet in almost an instant, leaving the planet a sterile wasteland. Now for the second part of this, the re-freeze. all the floodwater would have to return to the poles completely, and then be refrozen in a matter of weeks. The kind of climate shift required for an event of this magnitude would have frozen solid any possible stragglers on the planet, and turn the earth’s surface into a frozen tundra for hundreds of years. the flood story is physically impossible.

          • Sandy

            creationists argue the consciousness of man is 6000 yars old, not the earth….as for Noah, that is an entirely different argument…..

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Noah is a scientifically impossible story, by the very way it’s written. By the way, creationists constantly try to argue the earth to be 6000 years old, as well as all life whatsoever. At least you’re some kind of intelligent, not going to the argument of “god created it all exactly as is”. By the way, that’s the fairly standard creationist idea. 6 days of creation, god rests on sunday, and then 6000 years to today. 6 consecutive, 24 hour days. That’s the whole cause of most of the argument.

          • Sandy

            There you go with science…AGAIN….science is fungible…GOD is not.
            The Bible also teaches that Satan and his servants will masquerade as ministers of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:13-14). Satan’s hoisting of false religions has been a very effective lie since it mixes in some truth. A lie mixed in with truth is much like rat poison, which contains 99% good food and 1% poison – its that 1% of poison (or lie) that will kill you!

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            your argument only really works for organized religion. As I have absolutely no affiliation with any religious organization whatsoever, I can only assume I’m actually the antichrist at this point. Good job, you found me.

          • Sandy

            it works also for un-organized religion….our pastor was a hash smuggler, drug addict, and thief in his youth and Jewish….he found Christ by a guy who simply handed him a Bible…you should find a good Bible-based church…not just any church….you would enjoy the fellowship….what do you have to lose? mcleanbible.org take a look….as John Belushi said in Animal House, “don’t cost nuthin'”…..

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            It costs me everything, actually. Converting to creationist would cost me years of gained knowledge, and an entire future I have been planning for since childhood. It costs me the loss of self respect, for submitting to another’s beliefs instead of sticking to my own. Face it, there is no way on earth you could convince me without showing physical proof, and you will never have that.

          • Sandy

            nope…won’t cost you anything….just tune in on the internet tomorrow…0915, 1045, or 1230

          • Sandy

            mcleanbible.org

        • Not_in_Denial

          Not. He could have, but didn’t. He created it as he explained it in the Scriptures. Period. End of Story.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            It doesn’t explain it in the scriptures. There’s what a few passages about the creation of life? The Creation story’s only purpose is to establish the heirarchy God–nature–man. It doesn’t elaborate on scientific specifics. If it did God wouldn’t have given us science to discover all of these things about the world.

            So from your perspective, research on biology should stop because everything is in the Bible? That’s a myopic perspective to say the least.

      • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

        I doubt most scientists would agree with you that evolution is scientifically impossible. It’s not.

        • Not_in_Denial

          Do you actually think that ‘scientists’ are the final word on any subject? They are indeed not. You can calculate all day long how all the matter in the existing universe was concentrated in one spot and exploded to create the entire universe, which they have done. How much of an idiot do you have to be to have faith enough to believe that kind of drivel. This can’t even be simulated in an elementary degree in any experiment. It only exists in the minds of these people.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            I’m guessing you aren’t aware of the massive, massive, massive amount of evidence out there demonstrating how wrong you are. I’m also guessing that even if I proved beyond even a shred of doubt that you were wrong, you would still choose not to believe it. So I won’t try. Good luck.

          • Not_in_Denial

            Hey Kyle, stick to investment advice, you must know more about that than you do science and scientists. I on the other hand work in it and have for a long time.

          • http://kylebumpus.com/ Kyle Bumpus

            No you don’t and no you haven’t. You aren’t fooling anybody.

            I, on the other hand, actually DO have such training. And strangers on the internet can tell because I speak intelligently on the subject. You do not speak intelligently on the subject. Therefore, strangers on the internet know you aren’t a scientist.

      • Not_in_Denial

        Agreed, and to those who follow up your post that seem so convinced that evolution is possible, they must not understand the concept of provability and repeatability. Evolution is packed with assumption after assumption that became orthodoxy that is taught to the poor misinformed generations of public schooled children, who then go to universities packed with secular leftist professors who continue the indoctrination. There are enough educated intelligent people who have thought the whole thing through, looked at the propaganda, the strong arm tactics by the secularists, and found that the only thing that makes sense is the true Biblical account. And of course the attacks on those who believe will continue to the end, and it will get worse. Believers will lose jobs, be publicly ridiculed, tortured, beheaded, stoned, crucified, burned to death, and other horrific persecution, which occurs to this day all over the world.

        • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

          Ummm… I understand the concepts of provability and repeatability, and I’d be willing to bet have a much better grasp of not only the scientific method, but the current state of science with respect to evolutionary ideas.

          However, evolution suffers the same difficulties as any “historical science” where you try to infer things about the past based on available data. Evolution isn’t alone with this particular difficulty.

          I wonder when the last time any of you were in college or high school. You write as if evolution is constantly beat into the minds of children. Believe it or not, there’s a lot more to biology than evolution. In my majors courses, I might spend a total of three lectures discussing evolution in it’s entirety. There are a lot of topic to cover in a high school or college biology class; evolution is one element of what must be covered.

          This of course begs the question of what should be taught in my science classes. Science classes should teach the current belief that science has about any particular topic. Evolution is no different. The current belief regarding biological origins from a science perspective is summed up with the various theories of evolution that have been developed. What would you have me teach in science class?

          Additionally, your Bible isn’t a science text and you shouldn’t use it like one. The Bible is a story or series of stories about man’s relationship to God. You shouldn’t look to your Bible for a scientific account of human origins any more than you should look to your Bible for instructions on how to wire a house or how to replace the brake shoes on your car. It’s out of the scope of that particular book.

          Sure, the Bible comments on origins, but only to establish the hierarchy of God-man-nature. James Fenimore Cooper’s “Last of the Mohicans” comments on the Geography of upstate NY as it pertains to the story, but in no way should it be considered a definitive source on the geography of upstate NY. You shouldn’t look to your Bible for scientific answers any more than you should look to the “Last of the Mohicans” for information concerning how one gets from Glens Falls, NY to Ballston Spa, NY.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            You do realize evolution has to be real in order for Noah’s Ark to have any possible real world value, right?

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            The Noah’s Ark question is a bigger bite than I care to chew in a forum such as this, but I suppose what you’re saying is true.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Think of it. 1400 animals went onto the ark, not including humans. Today there are over 8 million species. if evolution wasn’t real, there would still only be 700

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Again… the Noah’s Ark thing is a bigger bite than I care to chew here in this setting.

          • Not_in_Denial

            Do you understand the difference between macro and micro evolution? Noah didn’t take a pair of amoeba that later became the parents of multiple kinds of animals. The concept of kind, not specie, is the relevant focus.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            There is no difference between macro and micro evolution. You do realize our bodies are made up of trillions of cells of different kinds, and these are where evolution occurs, right?

          • Not_in_Denial

            Oh, I see, we should just read the Bible like a novel then? Sorry my friend, you obviously haven’t listened when you’ve heard the Good News, or you would understand. You stumble and trip over this secularist worldview. I’ll pray for your eyes to be opened.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            No you should read the Bible as it was intended: the story of God’s relationship with Man, not as a science text.

            What would I understand that seems to be lacking now? Please elaborate?

          • Not_in_Denial

            It pretty much is self explanatory Reactionary. No explanation is really required. As I mentioned, check out the context for ‘casting pearls before swine.’ Bye.

          • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

            Why is it that commenters on these sites exhibit a gradual downslide into incoherence. I can read English, I understand the words you’ve written here, but the words make no sense.

            Your reply doesn’t address anything I’ve ever written. Strangely, I’ve not rejected anything written and certainly nothing Biblical other than to say believing in evolution doesn’t mean you’ll burn in hell.

            Why is that such a controversial statement?

        • tr60

          Evolution is a fact, like gravity and electricity. There are theories that explain their operation.

          • Not_in_Denial

            Sorry tr60, your faith is showing. Gravity and electricity are totally beside the point, and, may I use the term ‘non sequitur’?

          • tr60

            Your statement? Yes, non sequitur is an apt description. I’ll state it again: Evolution, gravity, electricity, light, radio waves and the entire electro-magnetic spectrum are all part of a whole list of natural phenomenon which exist and for which we have developed theories as to their operation. I fail to understand why people fear science so much. The farther it goes the more it adds to the Glory of the Creator. We have eaten of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, it is our destiny to seek out and learn His (Hers/Its) ways.

          • Not_in_Denial

            Nah, evolution won’t kill you if you hold both wires, nor if you step off the deck of a 10 story building, or fry you if you lay in a tanning bed too long, etc, etc, etc,. Science is my business friend. You seem hard pressed to compose proper analogies.

          • tr60

            Ask the dinosaurs, they failed to evolve in their current form. However, there is strong evidence that birds are their evolutionary result. Evolution works over very long time periods, unless humans are acting upon it. My grandfather, as devout a Christian as there ever was, commented on how much hogs had changed over his life time, that it was almost a different animal from what he started with.

          • Goten Loves Life and Apples

            If its a fact like gravity then prove it! But alas you can’t prove it or the scientists wouldn’t have had to orchestrate the piltdown and java man hoax just to lend credibility with the scientific community. I mean seriously its pretty hard to trust the credibility of a researcher who files down the skull of an ape then dyes it with tea and then puts pigs teeth in the gums to confirm some goofy theory. By the way human beings are physically designed after the primates only we have higher intellect and truth be told humans have trouble balancing probably because Adam and Eve lost their tails when they disobeyed God? If people still had tails we wouldn’t need a pole to walk the tightrope and we wouldn’t be so clumsy ether.

  • regroce

    As a Christian, I’d like to remind Giles that Jesus Himself promoted separation of church and state: Mark 12:17 “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” As a liberal, I’d like to remind him of the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by Congress and Pres. John Adams in 1797: “the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion” And as a liberal Christian, I’ll forgive Giles for his statements that appear to be of slanderous intent.

    • Not_in_Denial

      regroce,

      What kind of Christian are you, exactly? The “separation of Church and state” was first mentioned in a letter to the Danbury Baptists concerned about the establishment of a state church, as England had done. (context, context, context)

      The Treaty of Tripoli was worded in the way that it was in order to ease the Mohammedans’ concern that they were dealing with Christians. Again, look to history.
      If you are indeed a ‘liberal’ Christian, that implies much in this day and time. I would assume that you have no problem with the murder of 50 million plus little ones who were utterly innocent and defenseless of the violence taken against them. You must not have a problem with what Gosnell perpetrated. How about the corruption of the term marriage? The recognition of what amounts to pagan filth by my government is utterly repugnant to me as a Christian. Christ provided irrefutable instructions as to what marriage is. Any church that goes contrary to the Scripture is not Christian, but something organized to worship a god of their own creation, not the one of the Bible.

      • regroce

        I again refer to Mark 12:17. I’m citing Christ, not Jefferson. Not only are you misdirecting my statement to an irrelevant realm, but you do so by moving forward 1800 years to cite a human in contest to the words of Christ. I find that unChristian.

        I also find it unAmerican that you declare our forefathers to be either 1) liars to allies, or 2) one-time freedom patrons who founded this nation to quickly about-face and become weaklings (if not both 1 and 2).

        And I find it hypocritical of you to claim Scripture as some foundation for your arguments when you issue those same (unfounded) arguments in hateful, vile formats in defense of hateful, vile actions by others. (and which everyone can see in your comment history)

        My family came to the US in 1702 to escape persecution for their religious beliefs, to prevent being forced to live under anyone else’s interpretation of Christianity, and to be removed from persons who (like you) are quick to wrestle the throne of Heaven from Christ himself in order to blatantly violate the Word by applying judgement upon others – which, in your case right now, has no foundation or even remote basis. (Please review Matthew 7:1)

        We didn’t found this nation only to breed the exact same negative circumstances that led to its creation. And this time, we’re not going anywhere. Send us a postcard when you establish something new somewhere else.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        The God of the Bible is a bad actor. Jehovah is into abortion bigtime as a tool of genocidal war and civil control, for example.

    • Sandy

      “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” –John Adams, Address to the Military, 1798 Try some context, liberal boy…..

      • regroce

        You are chop-quoting Adams’ address to the military in 1798. To be more specific, you are quoting a chop-quote made by Charles Robert Winthrop when he was addressing the Massachusetts Bible Society in 1860. Try some fact, pseudo-religious girl…

        • Sandy

          you are taking all out of context for your liberal aims, and I question whether you are a Christian, and I’m a retired Naval officer, btw…male….the fact is that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, and ALL the Founders were deeply religious men – not all Christians, some Deists, but all knew that this country was blessed by Divine Providence, which Washington references in all his writings, or do you deny all the Creator references…? Ever taken a trip inside the Supreme Court? How about the top of the Washington monument which has Laus Deo on the top of it? Get over it….

          • regroce

            Most were Deists, which is not at all Judeo nor Christian. And the term “Divine Providence” (which appears once in the Declaration, and not once in the Constitution — which also has no other religious terms, except when it mentions freedom of religion) refers to foresight and omniscience. In the latter 18th Century, it was not even a religious term — only twisted to be one by pseudo-Christians in the 20th/21st. The phrase in the WAshington Monument was added long after Washington died – it wasn’t built until 1884, in fact, so don’t attempt to insinuate they are indicative of Deist Washington (who actually appointed a Universalist to be the first army chaplain, despite protest from Christians).

            You and others on this site, even the site itself, appear to be under the influence of the non-Christian organizations attempting to politically sway a Christian public. Like David Barton, for example, who takes corporate funding, then invents quotes and false history attempting to incorrectly tie particular beliefs to forefathers, then promotes pseudo-Christian stances based on that false history that benefit only those corporations – the “Satan is an environmentalist” garbage, for example. Barton and others get caught at it (about 20 years ago, Barton even publicly admitted it) but they still keep at it, because they found enough fools to buy it.

            And you fall for it all, apparently – take your comment above, for example. You say we are a Christian nation that needs to be devoted by Scripture, then only twist Scripture to your liking – “we are supposed to judge” you say, even though Matthew 7:1 says otherwise. Christ himself said government and faith are two separate entities, but you’re claiming otherwise.

            Another blackeye on your argument – you claim to be 9th great grandson of the Aldens? (Even though are 20 levels in their family lineage in the country, and because their first child was born in the US in 1624?) Well, look up your 8th great grandfather John Alden Jr. *He was tried for witchcraft by religious zealots.* That led him and other generations toward Deism, including John Adams, 2nd president, who is known for statements such as “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.” “The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?” “The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.”

            These attempts to force one-sided views of Christianity upon a society through its government, especially in such non-Christian ways, is only a strike against Christ and society.

          • Sandy

            George Washington
            1st U.S. President

            “While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.”
            –The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

            John Adams
            2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

            “Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God … What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be.”
            –Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

            “The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

            “Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System.”
            –Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

            Boom…..I rest my case…..and, Washington referred to Divine Providence in most of his writings as well as Christ and Christianity..Wsshington was a devout Christian, so your entire argument is faulty……I don’t know where you learned theology, but it must have come from a liberal college….

          • regroce

            You’re using the fake quotes created by David Barton, and which he himself admitted he made up, and other “authors” who also compose very unChristian books in which they claim to be Christian.

            You’re a misguided soul, sandy, which has wound up encouraging you to assume very unChristian ways, too (at least in your comments here on this thread and other pages).

            I’ll pray for you, son. But I won’t continue interacting with this gibberish you’re spewing out.

          • Sandy

            Brutha…I’m not quite sure what your problem is – you seem to think you have a hold on all things Christian and that you are the “speaker” which makes you a goofball who is looking for MEssiah status…those quotes came from a Christian site to which I cross referenced with the book I own. Nice Try…..I have been a witness to two miracles and more situations to which I can’t clasify as miracles but unexplanable – I shouldn’t be here as well as my colleagues. Please take your wanting of Messiah status, aka, the Branch-Davidians and the moron Koresh, elswhere…btw, I think what the gov did to Koresh and the rest of his “flock” was reprehesible and un-American, but so was he….

          • regroce

            You’re using textbook examples of oppression by followers of a false god.

            I’l pray for your salvation, misguided soul.

          • Sandy

            examples of oppression? What are you talking about…GOD created America to free people from oppression….

    • klamb

      As a Christian how can you belong to a party that tried to remove God from their platform in the 2012 Democratic Convention. How can you be a Christian and support a party that encourages the murder of unborn babies. Mark 12:

      • regroce

        As a Christian, how can you make subjective guesses over one’s political affiliation? There are Republicans who self-identify as liberal, such as the Log Cabin Republicans, that gay group in the party. And how can *you* be a Christian and accuse strangers of murder?

        I looked up what you’re talking about inre: DNC, btw. Every election year, both parties rewrite their platforms. When it was overlooked originally (not removed, as you say, simply not included), it was added at the request of Obama, and the national convention then voted in favor of adding reference to God. (I personally could care less if He is mentioned in a political platform – like Christ himself says in the New Testament, religion and politics don’t mix.)

        What is this “encourages the murder of unborn babies”? You mean the party that promotes educational programs that are not only credited with reducing unwed pregnancy, but also with much lower disease rates — and even with much longer retention of virginity than abstinence programs?

        It is sick – not to mention unChristian – of you to make this satanic claim of “encourages the murder.” You have no inkling of what you’re talking about.

        Especially when you do so apparently in support of a political sect that could care less about children after they’re born. Defund education, object to healthcare, object to programs that feed children in poverty (1 of every 4 today), support killing citizens of foreign countries because of what the (unchosen) leader did, support US citizens killing other US citizens based on last-second determinations even that are later proven false. Against protecting everyone’s right to decent income, and at a time when poverty is soaring and middle class disappearing because of the unChristian practice of Marxian economic theories by one political group. That is hypocrisy.

        How dare you call yourself a Christian?

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Correct. Christians work toward reproductive justice. We can thank Clergy in part for Roe v. Wade.

          • Sandy

            so you are for killing innocent kids?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You argue by misquotation. How tacky. Ewww.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Babies are born. If you know anybody murdering babies, call the cops. They have a hard job. They could use the laugh.

        • klamb

          Plum Dum How about Planned Parenthood. They are murdering millions of unborn babies every year and calling it abortion. Your president and party support this action. Should I call the police on them. You think this is funny. I don’t.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “Plum Dum”
            ………..
            I stopped reading right there. I wonder what you wrote.

  • Not_in_Denial

    Exactly right Doug. And Bible-believing Christians are shrinking into dark corners hoping they won’t be noticed. Those who denigrate and compromise Scripture should ask themselves what god are they purporting to worship. It isn’t the One, True, God of the Bible.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      The God of the Bible is a demon.

  • The Dude

    Yea, well, you know, that’s just like, uh, Your opinion man.

    • http://mattison0922.wordpress.com/ The Reactionary Researcher

      Holy cow! Where is that picture from? That looks like my college roommate. Is that you Stu?

  • tidalpool

    The dichotomy between the term ‘liberal’ and the term ‘Christian’ is self evident. based on my understanding, a liberal carries with them the view that they, and their ilk, share so depth of knowledge unknown by most of mankind. Knowledge that allows them to both ascertain what is best path to reach their particular level of enlightenment, and that further, demands they control all the normal social interactions between a man and a woman, between a parent and a child, between a person and the state. By this self proclaimed knowledge they admit to having a superior mindset when it comes to social values, mores and the structure of societies themselves. if a person, or a group of people or even a god disagree with them, their instinctive reactions always follows a specific format. 1. Ridicule the speaker, disparage his opinion, minimize its worth, isolate the thought as being extreme, not civil, unworthy, beneath contempt. 2. The person or people who are guilty of denying ‘group think’ of the modern liberal then must be shunned in public. Their intelligence must be questioned, their lack of education pointed out, and their thought processes must be labeled as prejudiced against some other group, biased, even racist. should these people continue in their beliefs, the belief must be attacked, all sorts of mud must be slung at it to show that the belief is extreme, that the belief is why these poor uneducated, illiterate, uncivilized people are forced to follow it. Lastly, the liberal will attempt to force the local arm of the law to attack these people who think differently. They are to be forced by law into the benefits of the ‘group think’ hive mind, where of course all will be well. The law and the activist judicial branch are the last resort of liberals who can not force their opinions on others. They need the secular world to over ride these independent thinkers and in the end, these liberal fascists will ask for, nay demand, jail, public gagging, up to and including death in their blind attempt to force secular obedience upon these people who think differently.
    As a Christian who has lived within the confines of the USA for the past 50 years, I have watched as progressive liberals have corrupted first our schools, then our family units. our faith, the rights we hold as self evident to practice our faith, and to bear public witness as to our faith are all under attack by the secular progressive liberals. The attacks on Christians today are as bad if not worse then at any time in my life. When I look at who is attacking modern day Christians, its not some foreign evil dictator, bt those who live among us, have benefitted by this nation founded by Christians all in order for us to be allowed to practice our individual faiths. I see American Muslims, American Jews, American atheists, American agnostics, homosexuals, sodomites, people who equate sexual acts with children as some perverse form of Love. The pagans, the wiccans, reformed Jews, etc. all people who advocate perversions, like the Muslims with their 6 yo brides, Jews who claim via the Talmudic scholars that sex with a girl under 3 is ok because her hymen will grow back, or those same Jews who claim a boy can be abused as long as he is under the age of 9 years and one day. One can easily see who the supporters of the North American Man Bot Love Association get their supporters. Look at the American Atheist organizations, headed by Mike Weinstein, whose primary goal in life is to remove any form of Christianity from the American military. These are the enemy’s of Christ, these are the sort that attack Christianity on all fronts. From Darwinism to Freud to Sanger and reformed rabbi’s who have led the way in encouraging gay marriages. As Cicero said, it is not the enemy outside the gate we need worry about, its those from with in, who have a permanent and consistent hatred of all matters Christian. We were warned, “by their works you will know them.” Liberals can not be men and women of faith, for by every word, by every action, they attack our holy father and his son.

    • Sandy

      very well said….

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Interesting. Dumb but interesting. I can be anything I want to be. The Bible is a poor guide to morality and politics. If you were to follow the Bible rules in your life, you would go to jail.

    • klamb

      What would be your dumb answer for a guide to morality and politics.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        If you know it is going to be dumb, why would you care?

        • klamb

          Because you said that the bible was a poor guide to morality. What do you think would be a better guide.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
            – attributed to Buddha but really from the Kalama Sutra.

          • klamb

            Buddha was a man that decided to be a God. God sent his son to be a man. Jesus died on the cross just so even someone like me and you could go to heaven and have an everlasting life. Who did Buddha die for. I do not read religious books. Only the Bible. written by men but inspired by God. Who inspired Buddha besides Buddha.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If you read the Bible then you know it is full of ugly stuff. You do not read it. And you let somebody else tell you what is in it.
            Buddha never claimed to be a god.
            And revelation is ongoing.

          • klamb

            I do not know what you mean by the bible being full of ugly stuff. Have you ever read it. It appears that you look to Buddha as a god when you quote.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You have not read the Bible.

          • leslymill

            How would you know. You make no sense. If the bible has ugly stuff ( I think it does) you don’t specify what you think is ugly. god didn’t inspire a book to be pretty and sweet. He Inspired HIS WORD and claims his word is truth. those who believe this know it is true. The Bible is Holy and True.,,, Truth is seldom coated with sugar but if you read the Bible you will know it offers a profound hope an eternal hope.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I can tell by what you say about the Bible that you have not read it. Why and how can I tell? I have actually read the Bible.
            The Bible is full of beautiful and awful stuff.
            I treasure it as a work of art and literature. No God I would ever worship would do this: Hosea 13:16.

          • Sandy

            Buddha…lol….guess you go the same path as richard Gere…LOLOLOL

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No, I am a retired minister in my Christian sect. I spent 15 years in ministry. I know that revelation is ongoing and not confined to old texts in a single book.

          • Sandy

            then if you understand Revelations, why are you saying such idiotic things here….that is, if you are truly a retired minister? Just here to stir things up?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I said “revelation” not “Revelations.” You cannot read for content and you want to teach me? Hubris.

          • Sandy

            you are the only one that is showing hubris….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Your argument is “Nuh uh.” Waste of time, yours and mine.

          • Sandy

            talk about hubris….sounds like a page out of the Obugger rhetoric manual for dealing with the press…..

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Ah, your argument has gotten a bit more complicated. Now is is: “Nuh uh. Insult.” Waste of my time. Bye bye. I will now count the number of times you perseverate.

          • Sandy

            Liberals….when you can’t majke an argument, you quit and name-call….LOL….later cat person…..

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            #1.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            #2.

          • leslymill

            there isn’t one if you have met Jesus Christ. If you go by the Bible without the authors interpretation and ability to believe it is a sour pile of story tales. With him you will never be the same. CEASE from MAN.

          • klamb

            You are wrong. I do know who Jesus is to me. I go by what the bible tells me. Not what man says.

      • Erin Ashley Hedges

        A concept of basic human decency. You don’t need to get that from a book, you can be a good human being without it

        • klamb

          Study the bible and then say you do not need it to have a better human decency.

          • tr60

            There are many good points in the bible, particularly Proverbs. But taking it too seriously could really get you into a lot of trouble, more than He would want (I think, personal opinion).

          • leslymill

            I have been punched, slapped, robbed, kicked out on the street, lost friends, jobs for my faith. I would not change any part of it. My reward is great even if I am close to the least in the Kingdom of God…Everything this life offers that doesn’t have Christ in it is DUNG and worthy of being flushed down the toilet at the end of the day.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Nonsense. Folks run when they see your kind of christian coming.

          • leslymill

            If you live with one apparently you can not stop from trying to kill them..ask Jesus….ask me.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do not Jesus at me.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I have studied it. It is full of poetry and cruelty. It is not a fit guide for behavior. Do what the Bible tells you and you will go to jail.

          • klamb

            What is wrong with poetry. I am not sure what cruelty you are talking about. The Bible talks about the history of mankind in the old testament. The new testament teaches about Jesus his life and the way our life should be as Christians. It also teaches what will be the end results without Jesus as our personal savior.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The Bible is a fascinating book. A book you have not read.

          • Sandy

            you have not read a single verse of the Bible, moron….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do what the Bible tells you to do in every day life and you will go to jail. Read the book you thump.

          • Sandy

            once again, you have not read it…..and please spare me the rhetoric of the Old Testament….it’s “old”….if you had half a brain, you would know why the Old Testament is what it is and the New as it is….brainless….go play with your kittys, now….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Only part of the NT that is better than the OT is the red letter part. Well, different but not better. The OT is pretty impressive in places and the NT is pretty useless in places. Basically, you get from the Bible what you can take from the Bible both OT and NT. Some folks are biblical and scriptural paupers.
            You do not possess what your profess.

          • Sandy

            ah, yes I do….as I know, truly, your opinion means nothing….but, for the sake of argument, have you been witness? Just curious as you seem to think you have a hold on all things Christian….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You have no argument.

          • Sandy

            apparently, I do, and you have no retort

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Human decency means giving others the respect you would ask of them. The Native Americans knew this for centuries, hence elaborate ceremonies to honor the deceased, and a more often than not peaceful demeanor. They had all of this long before they ever once picked up a bible

          • klamb

            Respect is earned not give. You can respect the title mom, dad, pope or President of the USA. The person using that title has to earn the respect.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            How do you earn someone’s respect if it’s not shown by you first?

          • Chuck Chuckson

            The wise Indians were in touch with nature, they respected all living things and used the whole animal. The wise Indians are born with Indian wisdom. They’re so wise. And peaceful.

            LOL

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Coming from the idiot who thinks America belongs to the white people who forcibly took the land, rather than the people who were here first, if we were ever to divide the world according to race

          • Chuck Chuckson

            Try again anti-White tranny.

            Stone Age Europeans were first native Americans
            http://rt.com/news/stone-age-america-archaeologists-445/

        • Chuck Chuckson

          Where do you get the idea that it’s not ridiculous for a guy to dress up like a woman?

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Who cares what somebody looks like. I have asked this question a thousand times, and never once gotten even a remotely valid answer, How does my decision to take female hormones, grow my hair out, grow natural breasts, occasionally wear a dress when it’s a nice day, and otherwise live my life as an average human being does, affect you in any way, shape or form?

          • Chuck Chuckson

            “Who cares what somebody looks like?”

            Everyone. Everyone cares about appearances. It’s not everything, but it’s also not nothing.

            Anyone who says they don’t care about appearances is either blind or lying.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            That’s just adorable coming from a white supremacist

          • Chuck Chuckson

            I see you’re completely out of replies. Maybe now you’ll have time to see a psychiatrist.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Cross dressing is an ancient theatrical device. The Noh theatre in Japan has male stars only. So they have actors famous for playing women.
            You are uneducated. You can fix that. No need to look like a buffoon all your life.

          • Chuck Chuckson

            Are we in ancient Japan? Can women be actresses? You are fscktard.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am not interested in you. You skeeve me. Ho hum.

        • Jason Hunt

          Where do you get your ‘concept of basic human decency’?

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            I’m autistic. My sense of basic human decency comes from not wanting to be treated like dirt, so I don’t treat others like dirt. Nobody had to tell me not to be a dick to others, that’s one of those things that seriously seems like it should come natural to most people. And to most, it does. Not quite the case with so many of you on this site, that are under the impression that being a decent human being means trying to get everybody to abandon everything they believe just to come to your side. Decency isn’t converting people to christianity, decency is simply treating others with the same kindness you’d expect from them. How is that so hard? You don’t want people stealing from you, don’t steal from others. you don’t want people to scream in your face with signs telling you they disagree with who you are as a person, don’t do it to them. You want to know how to be decent? Try recognizing that not everybody believes like you, and that not everybody has to. Christianity isn’t in control of the planet, it isn’t the only religion. Why don’t you try treating others with a bit of the same respect you so vehemently demand of them before expecting any in return

          • Jason Hunt

            Read about some of the murders out there. It’s not likely that these murderers want to be treated the same way that they treated their victims.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            yeah, because everybody who isn’t raised christian is a born murderer, right?

          • Jason Hunt

            Is that what I said?

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            You argue that non-christians don’t have decency. Then you compare them to murderers. As correlation seems to always imply causation for so many conservatives, by extension, you said non-christians are murderers

          • Jason Hunt

            Please look up the word ‘context’, then reread my response in the ‘context’ of that which I was responding to.

    • Ann Wilson

      Here we go people with Fat Dumpling who is a troll on every site trying to slam Christians. Not worth arguing with the dead.

      1 John 2:18
      [ Warnings Against Denying the Son ] Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
      1 John 2:22
      Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.
      1 John 4:3
      but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
      2 John 1:7
      I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        “Here we go people with Fat Dumpling”
        ………….
        I stopped reading right there. I wonder what you wrote.

        • Sandy

          well of course you did, because you are so “open-minded”, right? TROLL ALERT

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Why should someone pay attention to people who open their arguments with insults?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Is it opposite day?

        • Erin Ashley Hedges

          Don’t even bother with these people, when they open with insults, you know you’ve won the argument before it even started

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Correct. I stop reading when I get to the first insult always. No point in reading further.

          • Chuck Chuckson

            “Don’t even bother with these people”, but post 500 responses anyway.

  • Shaking My Head

    I would agree. Being liberal is not compatible with modern evangelical Christianity. But being conservative is not compatible with Christ.
    I’ve stopped using the sullied title of Christian because of what it now represents and prefer to be known as someone who follows Jesus as his Savior.
    These sorts of articles are humorous in their igorance and blind in their bias. I’m liberal and a follower of Christ.

    • Goten Loves Life and Apples

      Personally i consider myself more of a peaceful hippie than anything else and i don’t even like using terms like conservative or liberal. Even though i must admit i have met a few liberals who are Christ like but i have never met any conservatives that are anything like Christ. Like you i no longer use the term christian as i have left the right wing brainwashing of the church behind and have become a true born again bible believing Gokuist :)

    • Ann Wilson

      You are correct in that it’s not about politics it’s about Jesus. It’s about God’s Word. I do not agree that these articles are humorous. These statements and people’s attitude toward the unsaved both in the world and in church turn people from Christ not point the way to Christ. I do not think God would find that humorous. However I will always proclaim that I am a Christian and try my best to be an example although as a human I often fall short.

  • doug

    So, DG, what’s it like to be completely full of, er, dung?

    • Sandy

      prove it….

  • Goten Loves Life and Apples

    What a bunch of nonsense the right wing is every bit as bad if not worse when it comes to biblical morality.

    • Sandy

      and your examples? You mean like the Kennedys, spitzer, Weiner, grayson….you see, Christians may screw up, but we just don’t dismiss it like libs do as long as that lib “is down with the cause”…we forgive and say sin no more…you don’t seem to have a clue as to what Christianity is all about….it’s equally amazing that all you libs who seek scientific evidence for the things around you don’t read the Bible as it has been AHEAD of science….

      • Erin Ashley Hedges

        the bible is hundreds, if not thousands of years behind science. What are you smoking? I want to avoid it like the plague

        • Sandy

          The Bible has always been ahead of science. So I suppose you still think science has always been correct…it hasn’t, but the word of GOD has always been steadfast….so, do you still use margarine? didn’t “scientists” say it was better than butter? Oh, wait, that’s right, it’s one molecule away from being plastic, and butter is natural, aka, GOD’s doing….just a small example that science has helped kill hundreds of thousands with trans-fat that is now considered bad….hmmmm….and the examples go on, and on, and on….science is never wrong???? Really????

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Did I say science was never wrong? No. We love to be proven wrong, it gives us the answers we seek so fervently. That being said, you still haven’t provided any evidence that yours is the only right answer outside the bible, and that was written by humans. Prove me wrong on that, I challenge you right here, right now.

          • Sandy

            you have contended as such, yes….the Bible was written through the inspired word of GOD and Witness….. http://www.bibleevidences.com mcleanbible.org try going there….it will change your life…..

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            “I read it in the bible. They can’t put anything in the bible that isn’t the word of god.” Where’d you read that? “The bible”. Sound familiar?

          • Sandy

            still won’t try it, will you…why don’t you be an “open-minded” liberal…what do you have to lose?

          • Sandy

            Paul Harvey some time ago recited the following story about a religious skeptic:
            One raw winter night the man heard an irregular thumping sound against the kitchen storm door. He went to a window and watched as tiny, shivering sparrows, attracted to the evident warmth inside, beat in vain against the glass.
            Touched, the farmer bundled up and trudged through fresh snow to open the barn door for the struggling birds. He turned on the lights and tossed some hay in the corner. But the sparrows, which had scattered in all directions when he emerged from the house, hid in the darkness, afraid.
            The man tried various tactics to get them into the barn. He laid down a trail of Saltine cracker crumbs to direct them. He tried circling behind the birds to drive them to the barn. Nothing worked. He, a huge, alien creature, had terrified them; the birds couldn’t comprehend that he actually desired to help. The farmer withdrew to his house and watched the doomed sparrows through a window. As he stared, a thought hit him like lightning from a clear blue sky:If only I could become a bird – one of them – just for a moment. Then I wouldn’t frighten them so. I could show them the way to warmth and safety.
            At the same moment, another thought dawned on him. He grasped the reason Jesus was born.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            I’ve tried it. Got called a heretic and was told to leave church, just for following my nature and asking too many questions. By the way, I’m autistic, being inquisitive is just my nature. The problem? I started asking questions, and got nothing but more reason to question in response.

          • Sandy

            you went to the wrong church….they aren’t all the same….there are many false-prophets out there…I didn’t go to church until my son asked me at the ripe age of 52…I knew GOD was there in my life, as it is called one’s conscious, but I couldn’t find a pastor whom I could trust or who taught just the Bible, and, I had never really read it…….this one does….you can see him online if you don’t want to go – that’s what I did…my daughter is autistic as well, so I get it….it’s been a very hard road for her….just watch one of the sermons on-line on Sunday. There are three services. mcleanbible.org hope you will.

          • Ann Wilson

            Erin, I am a Bible believing, Jesus loving Christian who knows through the Holy Spirit that God’s Word is true and Jesus is the Way and the truth. Whether or not any person approves of my faith is irrelevant.

            That being established I would like to say that my heart goes out to you and if possible I would apologize to you for all the Christians who in their sin made you and many others feel unloved, unwelcome and condemned in the house of God. Church leaders should be able to answer your questions and not condemn you for asking but take joy that you are seeking God and desire truth. Of course there is an appropriate time to ask like Sunday School or meeting with a church leader. People calling you names will have to answer to God and need to repent from their sin. How hurtful. I met a young man going through some rough times and he was lonely. I invited him to church. His response was, “Why do I want to go someplace where people will just ignore you if you do not fit in their little click?”

            Sadly I could not guarantee this would not happen again to him and it should not be that way. Peoples sin not only hurt themselves but often others. You are a good example of how the Church often ends up doing just the opposite of what they intend or what Jesus would have. I can not heal these hurts or change people and my heart goes out to you. I could only say look to Jesus through his Word and Spirit for the love and healing we all need. Like the young man I spoke of I will always remember your comment. God loves you, Jesus died for YOU. I will pray for you Erin.

            1 John 3:18
            Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.

            1 Corinthians 13
            13 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
            4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

          • Ann Wilson

            Jesus sees your hurt.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Your beliefs are your own, not mine

          • Chuck Chuckson

            “Erin’s” beliefs are that he’s a girl, despite being born with a wiener and having a Y chromosome.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Aww, the white supremacist is trying to make an argument.

          • Chuck Chuckson

            You’re just saying that because I’m White and Normal. Dysfunctional perverts always hate those who are normal. Dysfunctional perverts hate people who are White and Normal most of all.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Aww, it’s showing already

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “the inspired word of God”
            ……………….
            Certainly is. Jehovah is a Demon God if you believe the Bible is inerrant. And an enthusiastic abortionist.
            Hosea 13:16
            Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

          • Mark Robn

            and where is Samaria, today, hmmm? — and did God send angels to destroy ancient Samaria, or did Samaria refuse to turn from their wickedness, and thus the natural order of events took place, such as being conquered by another nation? Perhaps Hosea 13:16 is a warning and not a threat?

            Oh, that’s right — idiots like you Plum can’t read 4th grade English, you all are stuck on How to Train Your Dragons and Hunger Games for “intellectual thought” and “reality”.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Isaiah 45:7.

          • Mark Robn

            Deu_30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

            and

            Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

            Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

            Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

            and

            Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

            Php 1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour:

            yet what I shall choose I wot not.

            Plum — still it’s Your Choice. You choose: are you going to follow God or follow your own god(s).

            As a human being, you WILL follow something, and thus:

            Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

            Whatever you choose to plant, that you will harvest.

            Your choice. — God warns you, evil must exist because sin was brought into the world, but it’s still your choice.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            i wish you what you wish me.

          • Mark Robn

            Yeah, make your choice, Plum. That’s what I wish. I don’t want you to go to Hell, but it’s your choice. You will encounter 5 surprises in Hell, one of which that it was easy to escape, by choice.
            * I don’t wish you go to Hell – that’s your business.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I wish you what you wish me. Got a better argument?

          • Mark Robn

            I wish you were born again and a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. — do you still wish for me what I wish for you?

          • Mark Robn

            I wish you would read the Holy Bible at a rate of 4 chapters a day. Do you wish for me what I wish for you?

          • Mark Robn

            I wish for you that you would worship God by witnessing your faith and by preaching on a street corner. Do you still wish for me what it is that I wish for you?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Wasted wish. Got another?

          • Mark Robn

            God, you’re stupid. — I concede your admission of defeat and failure. I knew full well you don’t really wish what you said you wish, I knew you were a liar. — Done and done. MR

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “God, you’re stupid.”
            ………..
            I stopped reading right there. I wonder what you wrote.

          • Mark Robn

            that’s ok – you read the most important part, anyway.

          • Mark Robn

            Nice try, but try again (my explanation on a previous posting, below.)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Try what? I do not agree with you. Your arguments are crap.

          • Sandy

            yes, but they may not get to stay there….perhaps a review of the Tabernacle is in order?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I wish you what you wish me.

          • Mark Robn

            Plum, you don’t believe the Bible, so we are done here. — Just remember: you are not arguing with me, you are arguing with what God told you.

            Revelation 20:15

            And whosoever was not found written in

            the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

            Not everyone goes to Heaven, Plum.

            ____________

            My arguments are not crap.
            You said — “I wish you what you wish me.”

            I responded — “I wish you would read your Bible, 4 chapters a day, witness your faith, get saved, etc.”

            Now, you did not respond to my arguments, because you know full well you don’t want me to go to Heaven. You want me to do what every other blockhead on the internet does to you — you wanted me to attempt to insult you.

            But I did not do that — I wished goodness and mercy for your sin upon you,

            Now, do you wish that for me as well, or not?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “Plum, you don’t believe the Bible,”
            …………..
            I stopped reading right there. I wonder what you wrote.

          • Mark Robn

            yep – the truth usually does that to liars. They can’t stand to know what’s real and what’s not. I understand, Plum: only took me two minutes to type, no sweat off my brow if you read it or not.

          • Chuck Chuckson

            If Jehovah is a Demon God, what does that make his “Chosen People” the Jews?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thugs for a good part of the OT.

          • SiRobertson

            Manmade global warning is a great example of BS pretending to be science.

          • Sandy

            AMEN, brutha Si…..the zombies follow Al Gore, aka, Forrestt Gump, down their merry road…”I’m nota smart man, Tipper.”

        • SiRobertson

          Given your lifestyle, it’s understandable.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            My lifestyle? You mean being trans? doesn’t really change anything about my view of the world.

          • SiRobertson

            Obviously, everything natural is backwards to you and you’re mixed up. You do have my sympathy.

          • patriotman

            Your world view is changed because you are a trans. You believe in Gay marriage and abortion I am sure. Normal people don’t in those things.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Actually, over half the country is ok with gay marriage, so no. Second, on the whole trans thing. Thousands of highly trained medical experts worldwide say you are wrong on the subject. As I highly doubt you have any medical training whatsoever, you really have no right to make assumptions about that which you have never even remotely researched

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            63% of Americans support abortion/contraception rights. Seems you are not the “normal” one.
            I mean, you know what the term “normal” expresses statistically right?

          • patriotman

            You have a disorder and mental issue you need to seek a Doctor.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Doctors agree with me, so nice try

        • Mark Robn

          The Bible said the Earth was round 2,200 years before Galileo put on his first diaper — the Bible said there are ocean geysers on the bottom of the ocean floor 3,500 years before Jaques Cousteau learned how to swim — the Bible predicted the inventions of the laser, telecommunications, and the discovery of the atom. — The Bible is 1,007+ years ahead of modern 21st century science. — The question, Erin Hedges, is NOT “what are you smoking?” / no, the real question is, Erin: what have YOU been reading! because it sure isn’t the Bible.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            The bible never said any of that. Not one of those things is written in the book. At all. Lay off the meth, dude, it’s making you see things.

          • Mark Robn

            Yes, the Bible says all that, and more, and what’s more: I can prove it in real life, face-to-face with people. — You want to be ignorant of the truth, be my guest. — If you can’t read 4th grade English, if you’re stupid, that is none of my business. — If you can’t figure how to turn your Y Chromosome into an X Chromosome (because that’s impossible to do), that’s your problem – not mine. — If you can’t understand science, then go back to middle school, or go back to the playground with the other kiddies… leave us adults to discuss intelligent issues.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Post biblical reference, then. You say you can prove it, post the verses.Also, it’s just laughable that you’d try to say I don’t understand science, considering creationists can’t even recognize real science half the time. Get degrees in astronomy, engineering, astrophysics, theoretical physics, and experimental physics, then you can talk to me about an understanding of science

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            So when challenged to show the proof to someone who will willingly admit to being wrong about something, even when you claim you have such proof, you flat out refuse to. And yet I’m simply supposed to take it at face value that you even have said proof to begin with. In that one response, you basically proved what’s wrong with conservatives there, and why you will never be able to win an argument against anybody but your own kind. You are pathetic and idiotic

          • Mark Robn

            PS — girls don’t say “dude” — dudes say “dude”.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Does it matter who says what? I can say whatever I want, it’s my speech patterns, not yours

          • SiRobertson

            I do believe “Erin” IS a dude trying to look female but it ain’t workin’.

          • patriotman

            Nobody really knows how old is the earth. But I believe and countless and millions of other believers believe what the Bible say about the earth. Only Scientists can know what they can see,hear,touch,feel and taste(if necessary) and thats it. They are limited by those 5 natural senses. Their observations cannot go beyond their natural senses. I believe in the supernatural senses as well not just the 5 given senses.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Scientists are only limited by what can be verified. Most of the theories we have about the birth of the universe have far more observable credibility than stories based off a book.

          • Chuck Chuckson

            Keep in mind, that everything “Erin” says comes from the point of view of a guy who likes to dress up like a girl.

            Just keep that in mind. LoL

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Keep in mind everything chuck says is coming from a white supremacist

          • Chuck Chuckson

            You’re just saying that because I’m White and Normal. Dysfunctional perverts always hate those who are normal, particularly White and Normal.

            You need psychiatric care.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Already had it. All the doctors said I was trans, and that I should take hormones. By the way, they also approved my surgery, as per medical standard.

          • Chuck Chuckson

            You need counseling and anti-psychotics, not hormones and surgery. Go see a BETTER doctor.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Your continued insistence that I’m mentally insane is just plain hilarious. It’s extremely obvious to me that you have no college education in medicine whatsoever, because I have news for you. Medical standard disagrees with you 100%

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You think you can read the minds of others. And you are attacking the sanity of others? Typical.

        • patriotman

          You are already doing that. You are way behind.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            Not particularly, the ground is shrinking beneath your feet. There are less and less creationists every year, and the belief’s time is limited with advancements in science

        • Chuck Chuckson

          Since you’re a liberal and not a Christian, you do nothing but validate the original article.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            and since you’re a white supremacist, your very presence here validates every bad thing I’ve said against you.

          • Chuck Chuckson

            You’re just saying that because I’m White and Normal. Dysfunctional perverts always hate those who are normal.

      • Goten Loves Life and Apples

        All i can say is you are totally deceived because i never once said i was an atheist or some scientist promoting evolution now did i? If you would like to know i am a true born again bible believing Gokuist who desires to love the Lord Goku with all my heart :)

        • Sandy

          Goku….??

          • Goten Loves Life and Apples

            That’s right i serve the only begotten Son Goku :)

          • Sandy

            and he is?

          • Goten Loves Life and Apples

            If you would like to know Goku is the only begotten Son of the living God and don’t forget he created the universe along with everything contained therein.

          • Sandy

            Goku….and that name for Jesus came from…where?

        • patriotman

          You are an unbeliever is how GOD describes you.

          • Goten Loves Life and Apples

            Is it the fact i don’t believe the rich should be able to make unlimited profits well other people slave away all day? Is it the fact i don’t believe in a religion that uses blackmail to get people to tithe money to their agenda? Is it because i don’t support our troops who fight in unjust wars heck they aren’t even my troops that’s for danged sure? Is it because i believe that unions are needed top protect workers from the greedy elite who cut corners all the time? Is it because i believe in feeding the poor instead of treating them like dirt?

    • patriotman

      heheheehe…. The right wing??? Jesus invented the right wing values that you so hate. THANK YOU JESUS!!

      • patriotman

        THE FIRST RIGHT WING RADICAL IS JESUS. HE PUT THE PHARISEES WHO WERE THE STATUS QUO AND THE ESTABLISHMENT IN THEIR PLACE. I AM PROUD TO BE A RIGHT WING RADICAL BELIEVER LIKE JESUS WAS.

        • Goten Loves Life and Apples

          NEWSFLASH ITS THE RADICAL LEFT WING HIPPIES THAT CHALLENGED THE STATUS QUO.

      • Goten Loves Life and Apples

        IF ANYTHING JESUS WAS LEFT WING BECAUSE HE CHASED THOSE DIRTY CAPITALISTS OUT OF THE TEMPLE WITH A WHIP AND SAID ITS NIGH IMPOSSIBLE FOR A RICH MAN TO ENTER HEAVEN IN FACT HE SAID IT WAS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO GO THROUGH THE EYE PF A NEEDLE.

  • Ann Wilson

    I am a Conservative and a Christian. You are wrong Joe. Be careful what you say. Only God knows people’s hearts and those who truly believe. God is to be the judge of that not us.
    Ephesians 2:8
    For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

    • Mark Robn

      God said, in Genesis 13:13 mind you — But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. (13 words in that verse, by the way.)

      God also said, in Revelation 21:8 — But the fearful, and

      * unbelieving, and

      * the abominable, and

      * murderers (of the unborn, too), and

      * whoremongers,

      and sorcerers, and idolaters,

      * and all liars!

      shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:

      which is the second death.

      By the way, God also said, concerning how we Bible believers are to judge situations and people of this world:

      John 7:24 — Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

      >> Oh and Ann: the Bible, the Book that God wrote, said this, too, concerning speaking in tongues in the congregation:

      1 Corinthians 14:34-35 — Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

      And if they — if a woman — will learn any thing, let them — that woman — ask their — her — husband/s at home:
      for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

      And all the Bible believers out there say, “Amen” to what God says, in the Scriptures, the words that He authorized in the Holy Bible.

      • Ann Wilson

        1.I do believe my comment was in plain English and not tongues.
        2. When men are not fulfilling their role God has called on woman to do so. See the story of Deborah. There are many woman of God serving the Lord in love and in truth in our churches. Diane Hagee, Joyce Meyer, Ann Graham Lotz, Kay Arthur to name a few.
        3. While our Nation is full of sin and sinners God has paved the road to Salvation through the precious blood of Christ for all who would receive Him and repent, even liberals.
        4. While we are called to expose evil and do good it is the Lord who is the final Judge and who writes the names in the Lambs Book of Life.
        5. Perhaps some have become liberals due to lack of knowledge, wisdom and understanding yet believe Jesus is Lord. We should help them to grow in the Lord not condemn them and stone them.

        But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
        9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
        11 “No one, sir,” she said.
        “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” John 8:6-11
        * Wow it is only the awful sinner, prostitute woman who was “still standing with Jesus”.

        Ephesians 2:8
        For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

  • Neal Gaylor

    I’m a follower of Jesus and there is NO SUCH THING as a liberal Christian! “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” Phil. 2:13 If you have the Holy Spirit indwelling you, you WILL NOT support ANYTHING sinful! This CRAP about not knowing someone’s heart is a lie from satan. God’s Word says, “Out of the heart, the mouth speaketh.” “You shall KNOW them by their fruit.” Paul says we ARE to judge those inside the church, God will judge those outside.” We need to know the wolves in sheeps clothing! Jesus himself said of UNBELIEVERS, “They will know you are mine by your love for one another.” If Jesus says an UNBELIEVER will be able to tell if you’re real, you better believe that another believer can tell!!! In the parable of the wheat and tares, a SERVANT came to the master and told him that there were tares among the wheat. The master told him to let them grow together and God would separate them. But, the servant could tell the difference between the real wheat and the false tares. So can a truly “born again” Christian tell a fake Christian!

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      I am a “liberal” Christian. So are the folks in the photo below.

      • Mark Robn

        Oh, these Catholic lez-be-friends and fat guts are definitely liberal — but, they are not even close to being “Christian” (Christ-like).

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          What did Christ say that gives you the right to trash folks you do not know? In fact, if you believe Jesus, you are going to burn brightly.
          Jesus said: He who strikes his friend must answer for it to the court; he who sneers at him must answer for it in the fires of Hell.

          • patriotman

            plum Dumpling… Mark Robn is speaking the truth and you as a christian hypocrite should respect those who stand for truth and decency.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You his Boo?

          • patriotman

            Plum Dumpling you do not have the authority to trash others who stand for truth and righteousness either so shut up!!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No.

          • Erin Ashley Hedges

            She didn’t actually trash anybody, she was just quoting your very savior

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Facts are not important. Getting a good lick in any way you can is important. It is the authoritarian way. You step right over Jesus to do that.

      • patriotman

        BEING A CHRISTIAN HAS NO LIBERAL VALUES. IF YOU TRUELY FOLLOW JESUS YOU WILL FOLLOW HIS COMMANDMENTS AND NOT THE WORLD ALSO. LUKE WARM CHRISTIANITY IS CHRISTIAN HYPOCRISY. JESUS SET FORTH CONSERVATIVE VALUES. LIBERAL VALUES SUCH AS GAY MARRIAGE, & ABORTION DOES NOT AND WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED BY GOD. READ THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE WERE IT TALKS ABOUT A MAN SHALL NOT LAY WILL ANOTHER MAN NOR A WOMAN WITH ANOTHER WOMAN. IT IS DETESTABLE AND AN ABOMINATION IN THE EYES OF THE LORD. SO… YOU SHOULDN’T CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN JUST TO FEEL GOOD. YOU SHOULD JUST BE A LIBERAL AND NOTHING ELSE.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Flagged for screaming.

      • truth

        ah no again. Read 1 Corinthians 7. If “Catholics” are siding against the Word then they are siding against God. The Word and God are one. Just sayin’ The eyes of the unsaved are veiled. Receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and he will guide you into all Truth, he is the Way, the Truth and the LIfe. (John 14:6) That’s one to live by.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          You are not my teacher. Get thee behind me.

      • Bobbala

        It is not uncommon for Christians to sin …

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I do not do “sin.” Too negative a concept to be useful.

      • Jon Peterman

        no such thing as a liberal Christian…and catholics are not Christians

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          No such thing as a Jon Peterman … and Peterman is not a Christian.

          • Jon Peterman

            good comeback….. :)

        • Lynn Munoz

          Oh, please, why do some Christians keep saying that? I’m no longer a practicing Catholic but I do know they were around a lot longer than the Protestants (think Reformation). Some of the teachings between Catholicism and mainline Protestant aren’t the same, but mainly, Protestants just don’t like the idea of a pope.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am pretty tired of it too. Christianity is not an exclusive club with greens rules.

  • Ann Wilson

    Doug I find your page interesting and enjoy so much of what I find. It’s great to hear from other Patriots and believers but can you now see by the comments below how you have caused division with vain and foolish arguments. We are to direct others to Christ not away from Christ. Be careful of what you say and be sure it is truth.

  • patriotman

    Being a Christian means being a Christ follower not a liberal idealogue. Jesus put forth conservative values that liberals,progressives,Atheists,Communists,Socialists,&Hippies do not, will not and cannot imbrace. You cannot serve two masters. Either you serve GOD or don’t serve him at all. JESUS SAID THAT IF YOU SERVE TWO MASTERS HE WILL SPIT YOU OUT FOR BEING LUKEWARM. MUST BE ON FIRE FOR GOD AND GOD ONLY.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Jesus is/was kool with gay folk.
      Matthew 19:10-12.

      • truth

        ah no. The passage refers to the Eunuch. The Eunuch is not a homosexual in any way shape or form. The Eunuch whom refrained from marriage did so to honor God.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I asked you not to do that on my rug. Now look what a mess you have made.

      • Bobbala

        Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Try not to do that on my rug.

      • Jon Peterman

        not referring to homosexuals in any way

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Poor exegesis.

  • patriotman

    BEING A CHRISTIAN MEANS A LIFESTYLE IN LIVING FOR JESUS AND NOT THE WORLD. THE WORLD WILL PASS AWAY BUT THE WORD OF GOD WILL NEVER PASS AWAY.

  • patriotman

    IF YOU TRUELY ARE A CHRISTIAN STAND BOLDLY FOR JESUS. GOD KNOWS THE HEART OF EVERY PERSON. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO FOOL PEOPLE BUT YOU CANNOT FOOL GOD.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Keep screaming and I will keep flagging.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Authoritarian rightwing websites are all the same. You are busy telling ME what I can be and do and think. Morans. Who died and left you in charge of me?

    • truth

      Who died? Jesus died that even you might have everlasting life. He died so the one whom created you could pour his love upon you and fill all the empty spaces you are seeking to fill by participating in the things of the world.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        No thank you. The Atonement is the single worst pagan concept ever attached to Christianity. I do not support it. There is nothing to be saved from.

        • MagnaDave

          I once asked a Christian friend this question:

          “Are you telling me that if a mass-murderer repents on his deathbed he will go to Heaven while a Buddhist who has done good works throughout his entire life will not?”

          I imagine that you can guess his answer.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Please tell me that his answer was “Of course the Buddhist is going to heaven.” Lie to me, Dave.

          • Jon Peterman

            John 14:6
            6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            John? I pay no attention to John. What a creepy book. Only exceeded in its creepiness by Revelations, the Stephen King novel of the Bible. And your sentence from John the Forger is contradicted by Jesus himself in Matthew.

          • felix1999

            It’s too ad you don’t realize that God can NOT be mocked.

            Since YOU reject Him, by choice, He will REJECT YOU!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            God has a dick?

          • felix1999

            Good works will not get ANYONE to heaven!

            BELIEF is what gets you there and from BELIEF.

            Why is that so difficult to understand? A Buddhist or anyone else that REJECTS Christ will NOT be in heaven. The whole idea is belief/faith in Christ.

            Again, a murderer CAN go to heaven through BELIEF. So can a Buddhist if he puts his belief/faith in Christ. A Buddhist would not accept a CHRISTIAN as a Buddhist. SO WHY should you expect the reverse to be true? Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing or hearing yourself talk? Clearly you are not logical and very hostile to Christianity!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You contradict Jesus. I do not know what you worship but it is not Jesus’ God.

        • felix1999

          LOL!

          You might want to inform God about that …. LOL!!!

          Read this CAREFULLY:

          John 3: 17-18

          [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

          [18] He that believeth on him is NOT condemned: but he that believeth NOT is condemned already, because he hath NOT believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

          Notice those that BELIEVE are saved and WILL be in heaven.
          Those that do NOT believe are already condemned and will NOT be in heaven. Belief is a CHOICE!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            My love affair with God is private. Two is company and three’s a crowd.

    • felix1999

      It is YOUR choice in whom you follow if anyone.

      If you don’t like it here, WHY are YOU here?

      Go to an atheist website or any Democrapper website.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Eat my shorts, TurdBreath.

  • brutallyfrank

    Jesus was a liberal. Jesus was the epitome of a liberal. It was Jesus who said: “…love your enemy as yourself…”, and “…it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than a rich man go to heaven…”

    • truth

      um, it would be of benefit if you studied the whole word instead of picking out pieces to conform to what suits you. The truth will set you free. (John 8:32)

    • Bobbala

      Did you know that for it to be charity, you have to give your own stuff?

      Volunteering other people’s stuff is called theft. Jesus was against that.

      Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

      • MagnaDave

        Who was talking about giving away anyone else’s “stuff?” I’m sure that, like all conservatives, you must be whining about taxes, the price that we all pay for living in a society.

        • Chuck Chuckson

          I guess we don’t have to pay taxes anymore since liberals destroyed our society.

          • MagnaDave

            “Destroyed our society?” LOL! Are you always this hysterical? Get a grip. MY society must not be nearly as fragile as yours seems to be.

          • felix1999

            Many of us don’t want your Sodom and Gomorrah culture. Liberals destroy. Look at the Roman empire. It’s easy to see a parallel to the U.S.. People are fragile and need boundaries. Liberals REJECT decent boundaries and embrace evil.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The real Sodomites:

          • Bobbala

            How would you know what they did to help anyone? Christians do not publicize their charitable giving …

            Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
            Matthew 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
            Matthew 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
            Matthew 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

            Giving other people’s stuff away is so easy even Obama can do it. Helping others at your own expense and His glory is hard. Just try it.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Excuses excuses.

          • Bobbala

            I’ll take that to mean that you don’t have anything factually true to say …

            When I expose Obama as a Marxist, it is backed up by the words of Karl Marx & Frederick Engles. I don’t have to resort to baseless slander.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do have something factually true to say. You are nuts.

          • Bobbala

            That’s just more slander … public school, right.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Truth is an absolute defense to a charge of slander.

          • Ben Rittenhouse

            You debate like a 3rd grader Plum.

          • AlexM

            “When I expose Obama as a Marxist, it is backed up by the words of Karl Marx & Frederick Engles”

            Both of whom were close personal friends of Mr Obama.

          • Ben Rittenhouse

            7 of the top ten wealthiest congressman are Democrat. You need a more accurate picture.

            http://www.rollcall.com/50richest/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-112th.html

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Non sequitur.

          • Bobbala

            I have to agree with you. Since you define charity as giving away my money, the truth that 7/ 10 wealthiest congressmen are democrats is not following liberal logic.

            non se·qui·tur

            noun
            1. Logic. an inference or a conclusion that does not follow from the premises.
            2. a statement containing an illogical conclusion.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You expect me to believe you have money? I do not.
            You expect me to see you as logical? I do not. I find you pedantic.
            You also demonstrate the emotional base of the authoritarian: the fear that someone somewhere is getting something for nothing and/or having a good time.

          • Bobbala

            I believe that other people have stuff. You wish the state to seize their property for the use of people that you approve of and at the expense of those that you do not.
            How does that make me an “authoritarian”? I just want to be free. I don’t want to control anybody or their stuff.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You wish the state to seize their property for the use of people that you approve of and at the expense of those that you do not.
            ………….
            Plum: You argue by misquotation. How tacky.

          • Bobbala

            You claim that the republicans in the pic are “sodomites” because they “… did not aid the poor and needy”.

            You have no way of knowing what they have given and to who, let alone why. Those men know.

            Maybe I have wrongly concluded that you think charity is a function of the state, not men. Forcing other people to give, in your place, is coercion and theft. It is not a biblical value.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            When you understand taxes and government, get back to me. Your argument is “Nuh uh.” I do not have time for that.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Deciding what to do with taxes is a function of the State. Are you suggesting John Boehner is a pickpocket?

          • ThomasER916

            You’re such a fking idiot.

          • ThomasER916

            You’re butt-fking stupid.

          • ThomasER916

            Your rectal prolapse is showing.

          • TapestryMood

            Such a silly post…it is embarrassing that you thought it worth posting.

          • ThomasER916

            You’re a fking idiot.

        • Mark Robn

          God only wants 10%, but the government and”society” wants more than 25%! Lower our taxes to 10% for money paid -not money earned – and get lazy loafers and couch potatoes off of welfare and a full time job, and then we will talk about “whining”.

          • brutallyfrank

            where does that 10% number come from? didn’t jesus say give to ceasar what is ceasar’s give to god what is god’s … i think the reference to ceasar was about money, lmao…

          • Mark Robn

            The word “tithe” means “a tenth”. — Malachi 3, in the Old Testament.

            I notice you didn’t say, “Hey, only 10% across the board tax rate, versus 25-30% or so? That sounds better than what I am currently paying.”

            Typical attitude from the Sheriff of Nottingham — this ain’t Robin Hood. Liberals rob from us all and give to themselves.

            Can’t you read 4th grade English? — Haven’t noticed that cost of living and gas prices have steadily increased since April 14th, have you?
            that’s a real shame, how blind and illiterate you liberals are…

          • Mark Robn

            Brutallyfrank, if you are typing on an Internet comment line, that means you are paying for Internet. Your money has “Caesar’s” insignia, picture, numbers, and logos imprinted all over it — even electronically, money ownership can be traced to “Caesar” (you can’t take it with you, and if the government has it’s way, you won’t even be able to afford to go yourself).
            * My point is = If you are paying for Internet, why haven’t YOU rendered unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s? Hypocrite.

      • brutallyfrank

        Bobbala .. you have a very liberal interpretation of the bible, lmao

        • Bobbala

          Giving your own stuff is just the start. You should also give anonymously, so as to give the glory to God, not self. It is an act of faith.

          Luke 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
          Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

    • felix1999

      Have you any clue about CONTEXT or do you just like to interject CLASS WARFARE where is suits you?

      • brutallyfrank

        class warfare? huh? isn’t that what’s written in your bible? i didn’t make that up. btw how come everyone reads the king james version?

        • ThomasER916

          You’re brutally stupid.

    • Mark Robn

      That’s the dumbest lie, that Jesus was a baby killing, perverted Hetero-phobic pedophillic, Rob from the poor to give to the government socialistic supporter of Karl Marx, that I have ever heard in my entire life. — is it love to force your fellow man to pay your way through life while you sit on your rear end? God said if a man doesn’t work, he doesn’t eat. Jesus is the Word of God, that verse is in the Bible. —- Jesus is not a liberal, as defined by today’s liberal.

      • brutallyfrank

        Where did you dig that from?

        • Mark Robn

          Second Thessalonians 3:10
          For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

          You don’t work? — You don’t eat.

          so, dig that one, baby.

  • Jon Johnston

    There’s no serious difference between today’s liberals and their socialist, marxist, and communist ancestors.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Get thee to a dictionary or wikipedia or an encyclopedia. A history book or two might help as well.

      • MagnaDave

        Educating oneself is such a liberal-elitist concept.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Dave, are you calling me a liberal-elitist? Well, thank you. One of the nicest things you have ever said to me. >tic<

          • MagnaDave

            I say nice things about you all the time. This is just one of the few times you aren’t posting on a website that won’t load comments on my PC. The Daily Caller, for instance. Hope you are doing well and thank you for being one of the best voices for liberals, ever!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You made my day, you good smart man. I follow you because I like they way you think and especially the way you write.
            I had no idea one could have that kind of difficulty getting others comments.

          • MagnaDave

            That’s odd. If you were following me before, my changing my profile to private shouldn’t have changed that. If you would like, I would be happy to change my profile back to public long enough for you to start following me again. Just let me know.

            Thank you for the compliments and know that I think the same of you. I seem to spend most of my time at Politico. Once in a while, there are interesting discussions to be had. Most times, like tonight, it seems to be mostly conservatives (and liberals, too) just hurling insults and acting like children. It’s really rather sad.

            Anyway, when we meet up in real-time again, I’ll open my profile so you can start following me again (if you would like).

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yes, please if you are still there. I want to follow you. Now would be good. I do not post on the Epoch Times. They haunted me and censored nearly everything I wrote when I first got there. Gave me a bad taste.

          • Chuck Chuckson

            Take this gay circlejerk back to HuffPo where it belongs.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Nobody posts on huffpo anymore.

          • TapestryMood

            Hello! So glad you and Dave reconnected…it is always a pleasure to read your posts, too;-)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I left Epoch Times and lost lots of people somehow. I cannot spend any time there. Too much censorship. I know we will meet again on the bumpy road to whatever.

          • TapestryMood

            I am surprised about your censorship comment..must have happened back with the troll attacks? Will be looking forward to seeing you on other sites…(((HUGS)))

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I saw that Nick Vanocur is posting at ET so maybe things have changed? I miss you guys.

          • TapestryMood

            Miss you, too!
            Yes..yesterday was the first I’d seen him there…hope he comes back more often..Give it another chance at ET??
            Disqus often holds up comments and they get delayed and finally show…not the mods at ET. Take care…

          • MagnaDave

            How sad that you have no friends and are jealous of those that do. Judging by your nastiness, I’m not the least bit surprised.

            Tissue?

          • TapestryMood

            I think Chuck just upchucks instead of thinking;-)
            Hello…I haven’t seen plum Dumpling in a long time..a favorite of mine, too;-)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Pleasure to see you, Tapestry. It has been awhile. I have been slaying forced birthers a lot.

          • TapestryMood

            Glad to see you!! Keep up the good work…I do the same for/to those ignorati!!

          • MagnaDave

            Looks like I missed you but I’m sure we’ll talk again. Sorry about that!

          • Jon Johnston

            Certainly, today’s liberalism is impelled by the same death force as its marxist, socialist, and communist ancestors.

          • Jon Johnston

            In related video, our resident marxist agitator lies to the face of the American people about keeping their insurance and their doctor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8spP856AMY

          • Jon Johnston

            In this video, Bolshevik democrat Louis Michael Seidman viciously attacks our sacred Constitution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTqlJmnnc

          • Jon Johnston

            For a brief introduction to the primitive superstitions of socialist ideology, I generally refer people to Igor Shafarevich’s brilliant essay Socialism in Our Past and Future: http://www.savageleft.com/poli/hoc.html

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Stick Igor Shafarevich’s brilliant essay up your cloaca.

        • Jon Johnston

          If Floyd Corkins, Chris Dorner, Ed Schultz, Karl Pierson, Alan Grayson, John Muhammed, Hussein Obama, Lee Boyd Malvo, Demetrius Glenn, Lakim Faust, Allan Brauer, John Van Allen, Michael Davis, and Aaron Alexis are any indication, today’s liberals are becoming increasingly unhinged, violent, and aggressive.

      • Jon Johnston

        In their war against Western civilization, today’s liberals use three main attack vectors:-Attacking the family-Attacking private property-Attacking Christianity

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I am not a liberal. Go find one. They may be interested.

          • ThomasER916

            You’re an idiot, but you’re a Useful Idiot for Cultural Marxism.

            No seriously, you’re really fking stupid.

    • MagnaDave

      Bold-type only makes you ill-informed rantings look that much more silly.

      • Jon Johnston

        The “big idea” of Marxism is the notion that a self-proclaimed group of quacks and academics are somehow magically entitled to consciously direct the future of mankind.

      • ThomasER916

        That’s because you’re stupid.

        • MagnaDave

          That’s the best you can do? How sad. I feel really sorry for you.

          • ThomasER916

            You’re so fking stupid you need to lie. You don’t “feel sorry” for anyone you d!ckless retard.

          • MagnaDave

            Why so angry? Your childish name-calling had no effect on me and now you have to curse? Here’s some advice I bet you’ve heard all your life and obviously ignored.

            Grow up.

          • AlexM

            Don’t feed the trolls …

    • Mort Leith

      Very true

  • Ben Name

    If this is how christian’s think then I am glad to not be a christian.

    • Jon Peterman

      you either believe Gods word or you dont………….

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        You can believe God’s word and not be a Christian. There is more than one scripture in the world.

        • felix1999

          No, there is only ONE Bible. There are many translations of it but legitimate Bibles have the SAME TEACHINGS. Truth is NOT multiple choice.

          Let me ask you this. If you BELIEVE God’s word, why wouldn’t you be a Christian? Commitment phobic? If you can’t commit to Him and LIKE His teachings than you have some issues.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You have your truth. Only God is The Truth. The Bible is not the only sacred scripture. It is only one of many.

          • Jon Peterman

            prove it

            there is only ONE truth or it is NOT truth at all

            two or more opposing views cannot all be true. one is, the others are not

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Only God is The Truth.

          • Jon Peterman

            and what do we know about God without Gods word?

            god wont send anyone to hell if they are good enough?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do not know what you know about God. You do not seem to possess what you profess.

          • Jon Peterman

            what I know about God comes from God

            by your comments to me and others you do not know God, and worse, seem to have made up a little god to suit you (idolatry)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            God and I have a private relationship. Two is company and three’s a crowd. You are not my teacher.

          • Jon Peterman

            well, you should read what the bible says about holding self confessed christians accountable.

            so, yes I can be your teacher

            but as I have already said, you have made your own little god to do your bidding

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            NO. You are not my teacher. Teacher/Student is a voluntary relationship.

          • Jon Peterman

            interesting that “christian” would have this attitude……afraid of truth?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Interesting that you think it interesting, not.

          • MagnaDave

            Hello, Plum. I hope that I haven’t missed you again!

          • Bobbala

            Truth is an absolute defense to a charge of slander.

            — PD

            If truth were different for different people, How could truth be an absolute defense? How could it be any defense?

            If I say 4+1 = 5. You say, “That is your truth.”

            If I say, “John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Look the phrase up and get back to me. In the battle of wits, you are unarmed.

          • Bobbala

            You can’t even determine if truth is true?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Why don’t you prove truth is true right now. I will save France.

          • Bobbala

            You state Only God is The Truth. I agree.
            You also talk of other truth ???? Which is it?

          • AlexM

            I was in France only last week, Had I known Plum Dumpling was going to invade France to save it, I’d had delayed my visit for a week so that she could have carried me off as booty.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            And what charming booty you would make, my dear.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            There are other choices than binary ones.

          • Bobbala

            Is English your first language?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Does a cat have an ass?

    • felix1999

      It’s ALL about CHOICE!

      The teachings of Christ are EXCLUSIVE

      BUT the invitation is INCLUSIVE.

      Clearly YOU reject Christian teachings. That is YOUR CHOICE!

      • Ben Name

        No. God told me to reject him.

        • ThomasER916

          You’re a typical Libtard with a rectal prolapse.

          • Ben Name

            ha ha ha. Butt joke! That’s about as funny as you all get.

  • Libertarian Tom

    Look, I am neither a Christian nor a Liberal, but for Christ’s sake!! With an article like this and the Christian comments that follow, no wonder church memberships are declining all over the country (aside from the fact that some people read books that have been written after the Bronze Age and we no longer burn people at the stake for telling priests and pastors that they are full of crap.) Not only does the author not even cite a single biblical verse in his self-righteous view of who gets to go to heaven, the idea of trying to apply 21st century political ideology of liberal vs. conservative to Jewish construction worker who lived over 2,000 years ago on the eastern fringes of the Roman Empire is absolutely INSANE. And since I actually have read the New Testament, I’ll take a walk down Insanity Street with all of you: What about when Jesus divided the loaves and fish and distributed it to everyone? Nobody paid him or did any work for that food. The water to wine upgrade was also free. And when he overturned the money changers outside the temple? Sounds like Occupy Wall Street to me. What about it being easier for a camel to pass thru the eye of needle than a rich man to get into heaven? Doesn’t exactly sound too conservative to me. For all it’s worth, I think modern liberals have a better claim to JC than conservatives.

    • ThomasER916

      Libertarians are Free Market Cultural Marxists.

      You’re an idiot, but you’re a Useful Idiot.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    So do not debate me. No skin off my nose.

  • Bobbala

    Mr. Obama has shown little deviation from their plan. I doubt that they ever met. If you got the truth on your side, you should use it. Let the adversary fabricate. He has to.

    • AlexM

      What’s their plan?

      • Bobbala

        The Communist Manifesto. This is where “From each .. To each …” comes from.

        (only part, complete text is online)

        Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

        1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

        2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

        3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

        4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

        5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

        6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

        7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

        8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

        9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

        10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

        • AlexM

          Has Mr Obama got as far as the “children’s factory labor” bit, or is he still struggling with the abolition of property bit?

          • Bobbala

            I didn’t write it. If this is what you’re for, enjoy it. I would prefer to be free. Pretending that it has not happened doesn’t change anything.

          • AlexM

            You didn’t write it, but you’re the one posting this as the master plan that Mr Obama is following to the letter.

            I merely query whereabouts on the plan he currently is.

            So, is “abolition of child labor” a Marxist plot that Mr Obama is complicit in? Should the abolition be undone?

          • Bobbala

            Read it for yourself. If you are a Marxist, be proud of it.

            I am against it. I prefer freedom. That includes ANY voluntary exchange of goods and services. (A possible exception might be drugs, as the case could be made that it is not voluntary at a point.) Mr. Obama has shown that he is against the voluntary exchange and prefers the state to mandate your decisions for you. I think Marx would approve heartily.

            Now, If he is not following it “to the letter”, what % would you estimate … 0%, 20% 90% … How much of a communist is he? Where does he rebel?

          • AlexM

            ” If he is not following it “to the letter”, what % would you estimate … 0%, 20% 90% … How much of a communist is he?”

            I don’t say that he’s following it at all, that’s your argument, I’m merely trying to find out where in the list you gave that Mr Obama has been able to tick off ‘Done’ against each entry.

          • Bobbala

            Starting at #1 Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

            How much of the land of the state of Nevada should be owned by the state? Should any be allowed to be owned by individuals. Obama seems to be onboard for the state owning the land, not you.

            If you are a communist — fine. Just don’t pretend to be pro individual liberty. Forcing other people to do what you want is tyranny. It doesn’t make you free. It makes them slaves.

          • AlexM

            My political perspective is immaterial here ; the issue here is whether President Obama has achieved any of the items you listed that are on his Master Plan by Marx and Engels.

            You don’t appear to have any information on this, and nothing to support the argument being offered. Not even a single “to the letter”.

          • Bobbala

            I’m sorry that you can’t see that communism is here with all the prosperity that goes along with it. There has been no failure of a free market because there has been no freedom.

            Enjoy it.

          • AlexM

            You seem singularly reluctant to show it, by even your own list of characteristics and objectives.

            I can’t even get you to show where President Obama has achieved the communist objective of “abolishing child labor”.

            Is he not trying hard enough?

          • Bobbala

            It’s not my list. Karl Marx/ Frederick Engles wrote it. President Obama upholds it.

            Abolishment of private property is happening today in Nevada. Open your eyes. The federal government claims ownership of over 80% of the land in the state. A private citizen had tried to use it. He was hunting the King’s deer. This is what free people fled to the new world for. Shall we continue to the progressive income tax … will you at least stipulate to that!

            10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. is almost fully implemented. True, you don’t have to surrender your child to the “free” school. You do have to pay for it. At additional expense, you can still send your child to some private government approved school. Escape is becoming harder and harder due to cost and the increasingly compulsory demand for mothers to participate in the labor pool. This is by design.
            The polar opposite is freedom. The parent decides what school that their child applies for and the school grants admission. President Obama is completely against this. He abolished the limited school voucher system as parents free to choose, don’t choose government schools.

            From each according to their ability and To each according to their need is America now.

            “Abolishing child labor” does not make anyone more free. It is a restriction on freedom. Voluntary labor makes you free, as it is voluntary. Voluntary for the laborer, voluntary for the employer. Voluntary for the seller. Voluntary for the buyer. Some people want to be free. Some people want state control.

            Enjoy your state control.

          • AlexM

            I understand the bit about it not being your list. But it’s the list you volunteered, on your own initiative, as the list you said President Obama was following to the letter.

            According to you, abolition of “child labor” is a Marxist/communist aim. So when does President Obama execute this part of the plan, and should he be allowed to?

          • Bobbala

            Some or most of it was already in place. He is continuing and enforcing it. The progressive income tax has been around since 1913. He wasn’t here. Is it getting more and more progressive? Of course. People never accept concentrated poison. They would spit it out. Communists always start with small doses and build slowly until the patient is the greatest debtor country by far and coveting diversity over its prosperity.

            Look, if you believe you are not living under communism, try and take some gold out of the country or even large amounts of cash to a car dealership. Try to find a car that is made according to what the purchaser, not the state, wants to buy. The disaster in this country has nothing to do with a free market. It is the natural result of a state managed economy.

          • AlexM

            Can you vote for anybody you want to, or can you only vote for the single State Party candidate?

          • Bobbala

            Your individual liberty is, or rather was, guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. For example my speech is free without regard to the mob’s approval. A democracy guarantees only the right to approved speech. Who needs constitutional protection for something the mob doesn’t mind? “Liberty” is now for sale to the highest bidder. All politicians sell individual freedom for mob approval. Obama just offers more of other people’s money than most. Might now makes right in the US.

            Democracy is the road to socialism.
            — Karl Marx

            This is why the US was founded not as a democracy, but as a constitutional republic. The constitution is abandoned. The republic is dead. The result are always the same. Welcome to the 3rd world.

            You should know that. That’s the reason for “10. Free education for all children in public schools …”

          • AlexM

            “Your individual liberty is, or rather was, guaranteed by the Bill of Rights”

            How is this guarantee effected?

          • Bobbala

            It isn’t there anymore. Rights are subject to mob approval. It’s not even majority approval. The mob can be a minority that is willing to hurt people and break things. Thus Islam is appeased. Christians are subjected.

          • AlexM

            I don’t understand what you mean by “rights are subject to mob approval”. If your rights are infringed, where do you go for remedy?

          • Bobbala

            You don’t. The legitimate function of the state is to protect individual rights of life, liberty and property, regardless of other people’s preference. We don’t have that. The state protects group rights. If you aren’t in the right group, you don’t have any rights.

            Your speech is free as long as the preferred groups do not object. Whether your speech is true is irrelevant. This is why things like anthropomorphic global warming, The Big Bang, spontaneous creation of life and evolution are “settled science” and tax subsidized. Questioning them is religion and “faith”. The truth is that questioning theories is science.

            A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading.
            — C. S. Lewis

          • AlexM

            But these things are settled science. You’re free to dissent, but the evidence is the evidence, and however strong your religious opinions are, they don’t trump hard evidence. There’s evidence for the Big Bang. There’s not a shred of evidence for Special Creation. There’s evidence for evolution. There’s not a shred of evidence for special creation by an invisible being. There’s overwhelming evidence for anthropogenic global warming. All of this evidence is accessible, and it’s independent of religious beliefs.

            Questioning theories is science. Believing the theories are wrong because there’s a magician in the background fiddling with the cosmos is not.

          • Bobbala

            Now, go back and read what you just wrote. It says that you’re right and I’m wrong because there is just evidence … and that’s why you’re right!

            Gravity can be proven. It can be demonstrated. It is repeatable. It has real evidence.

            Horses beget horses. Dogs beget dogs. People beget people. It is repeatable. It has real evidence.

            Laws are based on such consistency and predictability. Evolution violates the real Law of entropy. Everything is in a constant state of decay without information to order and reorder it. Kind of like the movie Idiocracy. There is loss not gain.

            Creation by design implies a designer. Once you are at the existence of a designer, the question becomes who? There are many claims. Only one authenticates his claim with prophecy.

            The original point was that free speech is not free. It has become state approved speech. Because the state approves of your speech does not make you free. It makes you a willing slave.

            The freedom solution, which is the only one not considered by any politician, is for the parents to choose which school to apply to. The school can choose which students to accept. It’s voluntary for everybody. That way you send your child to the school that only teaches evolution. I have no say in the matter … because you are free. But do you want to be free or do you need to control others? Most people prefer to control others.

          • AlexM

            “Evolution violates the real Law of entropy”

            Evolution does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. The second law concerns entropy in a closed system. A closed system. A closed system is one that has no external input of energy.

            The earth is not a closed system. It has a constant input of energy from the sun. The second law of thermodynamics does not apply to an open system.

            “Creation by design implies a designer.”

            Circular argument.

            “The original point was that free speech is not free”

            You appear to be arguing that free speech is only really free speech when it’s completely unconstrained.

            Does this mean you have no objection to having, say, your credit card number posted on the web, or you bank account details and passwords posted on the web?

          • Bobbala

            Uncontrolled input of energy is destructive, not creative. Set something on fire and wait for the order to appear. Controlled input is creative and controlled.

            “Once you are at the existence of a designer …” It is OK if you are not there — freedom, remember.

            Yes for something to be free it has to be free.

            Ever heard of intellectual property … If I write a book, you can still use the words. The creation is mine. A credit card number is property. That is how come you can use it to buy stuff. A number in NASCAR is property. You can use 3. Don’t race with it in NASCAR without consent. If someone else uses your property without permission that is theft. Remember Life, Liberty and Property. That is what the Constitution used to be for.

          • AlexM

            “Uncontrolled input of energy is destructive”

            Good job oxidation doesn’t happen all at once, isn’t it?

            “Ever heard of intellectual property”

            So, there’s a limit to free speech? All that’s to quibble about then is where that limit is drawn, not whether it exists.

          • Bobbala

            If you can’t differentiate between theft and freedom, I can’t help you.

          • AlexM

            You might be overlooking the issue. I’m not proposing theft, I’m drawing attention to the fact that freedom of speech has limitations. You appeared to be arguing for unfettered freedom of speech, without, apparently, recognizing that there can be consequential harm that is real.

            The mere act of posting some of your details is not itself theft of any kind. It may lead to harm, and that’s a risk. So you need to make a judgement call on how much risk you are prepared to accept in order for others to exercise the freedom of speech they choose, which just may happen to have an impact on you.

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