MAN UP, CHURCH: A Biblical Defense for Giving Offense

“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under your feet, and turn again and rend you.” – Jesus Christ

There’s a massive contrast between the weighty and satirical, the masculine and hilarious modes of communication employed by the inspired biblical characters versus the whiny, saccharine, nicer-than-Christ, strained Gerber’s goo served up by evangelicalism and Catholicism’s effete clerics. Have you noticed?

If you have, does this freak you out as much as it does me? Are you disturbed by it, or is it just me? Am I the only who notices this type of preaching, writing, commentary and singing; the only one who thinks this is lame?

As I see it, much of the clergy, the church, Christian music and Christian literature have become pathetically soft and have lost their holy punch.

If you don’t believe me, then take this little challenge: From now on when you read the scripture, pay close attention when you land on a chunk of text in which Moses, Joshua, David, Elijah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, John the Baptist, Paul or Jesus is engaged in dialogue with an idiotic idolater, a pompous Pharisee or a vacillating vixen.

Check it out. You won’t see these searing saints doling out nicety-nice stuff all day and night. Not a bit of it: they’ll be challenging, oft times ridiculing–the very ground the impenitent unbeliever or the feigned professor stands on. Not only that. You will rarely see God’s holy ones repenting of the verbal invectives they have aimed at their audience’s willful blindness.

Concerning these greatest of biblical characters, we not only see great acts of compassion toward the repentant; we also see an unapologetic verbal ‘gloves-off’ approach with someone God wants and needs His spokesman to offend.

Hey, PC police. These Holy Spirit inspired men of the Bible were godly figures of great antagonism who insisted on battling bogus belief systems and telling the truth, frequently at the expense of a person’s person.

And get this: It was God who egged His vessels on to give offense. Give it, it’s a gift.

The greats of the Bible excelled not only at biblical insight and break-on-through-to-the-other-side intercession; they also had an incredible wit about them that God didn’t mind at all. In fact, He joyfully endorsed and eternally preserved it in the canon of scripture for future generations to read and chuckle over.

Many of our Biblical heroes, especially the emcees of the various main events, were holy satirists, mental and spiritual heavyweights with a verbal whip that they didn’t mind using on whomever, whenever it was necessary.

One of the chief signs of the Church’s backslidden condition is its refusal to call a spade a shovel (in love, of course) both inside and outside the Church and have a side-splitting, obedient, good time doing it. Both in scripture and in the annals of church history we have great examples of reformers ‘who saved the day’ and ‘bettered tomorrow’ because they obeyed God through tornado-like use of both tongue and pen.

If, if, we truly desire revival, reform and a national renaissance, then get ready for the spiritual wrecking cranes, i.e., the prophets, to come in. When the prophets poked the pompous, when they mocked the haughty and religiously arrogant, when they wreaked havoc on stale religious and political symbolism: they were clearing the ground for fresh, godly growth. I know it may seem ugly at times, but it can be fun, and it can effect change. That is, if we understand it, cheer it on and yield to it, especially when it’s aimed at us.

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  • RhondaOR

    Jesus was a gentle lamb not some Braveheart ruffian as Giles continues to paint him. What a warped man.

    • 19gundog43

      Try actually reading the Word sometime genius. Jesus used a whip not a feather to drive out the moneychangers. He called the phony religious leaders snakes and rotten tombs. He called his own followers slow and dumb for not understanding his mission. I could go on and on but you would not understand any of it. Jesus was no bearded lady, limp-wristed hippie like you so ignorantly see him. What ignorance!

      • http://WestValleyGreenHomes.com/ Eric Johnson

        Nuts. You beat me to it! ;-)

      • Croco Dile

        Through the Jesus character the rulers are talking to YOU (them) :

        He answered, To you [the rulers] it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven [Cosmos], but to them [YOU] it has not been given. The reason I speak to them [YOU] in parables is that “seeing they [YOU] do not perceive, and hearing they [YOU] do not listen, nor do they [YOU] understand.” – Matthew 13:11,13

    • http://WestValleyGreenHomes.com/ Eric Johnson

      Jesus also stood up to the angry crowd who wanted to stone the adulteress, shaming them into slinking away. He then showed His compassion by forgiving her.

      There are many stories in the Bible where Jesus faced angry crowds over His teachings. That was not gentleness, but standing up and preaching the Word of God.

      Since Jesus knows our hearts, He knew EXACTLY how to respond to our actions or inactions.

      Giles is spot on with these words.

      • Croco Dile

        Though the three families had been able to put down the revolt, they still faced a potential threat. Many Jews continued to believe that God would send a Messiah, a son of David, who would lead them against the enemies of Judea. Flavius Josephus records that what had “most elevated” the Sicarii to fight against Rome was their belief that God would send a Messiah to Israel who would lead his faithful to military victory. Though the Flavians, Herods, and Alexanders had ended the Jewish revolt, the families had not destroyed the messianic religion of the Jewish rebels. The families needed to find a way to prevent the Zealots from inspiring future uprisings through their belief in a coming warrior Messiah.

        Then someone from within this circle had an inspiration, one that changed history. The way to tame messianic Judaism would be to simply transform it into a religion that would cooperate with the Roman Empire. To achieve this goal would require a new type of messianic literature. Thus, what we know as the Christian Gospels were created.
        In a convergence unique in history, the Flavians, Herods, and Alexanders brought together the elements necessary for the creation and implementation of Christianity. They had the financial motivation to replace the militaristic religion of the Sicarii, the expertise in Judaism and philosophy necessary to create the Gospels, and the knowledge and bureaucracy required to implement a religion (the Flavians created and maintained a number of religions other than Christianity). Moreover, these families were the absolute rulers over the territories where the first Christian congregations began.
        https://archive.org/details/CaesarsMessiahTheRomanConspiracyToInventJesus

    • RobertELee

      ‘A gentle lamb’ would not flip over tables and whip the money changers out of the temple.

    • randellmd

      You’re a prime example of what he’s talking about. we are to be bold as lions and harmless as doves.

  • Milly

    Challenging the status quo takes God given courage and a strong commitment to right and wrong based on a Christian world view. That’s why we have young men who are content to live in a subservient life.

  • IRAMARINE

    Mamby Pampy Christianity isn’t working in the Megachurches
    in CA when they sit back and watch the government force their daughters to take
    a seat while boys can come in and Pee in their bathroom!

  • 19gundog43

    Right on Doug. I am sick of the limp-wristed Colgate toothpaste “life
    coaches” and pandering pussies who call themselves “men of God”. A bunch of
    losers teaching a bunch of surrender monkeys. No wonder our country is being
    taken over by pagans. Keep speaking truth Doug, the phony Christians and
    mind-numbed pagans never will get it. Satan must be getting a huge belly laugh each Sunday listening to this bunch.

  • fedup

    Well said,take this message to a average church today and you will be escorted to the pastor’s office with the board of deacons behind them as jury, but then most of us can be vocal on this webpage, how about in the breezeways of our respective church. It’s time for the Lord’s name to be vindicated.( Ezekiel 36:23) It will be fought by soidiers whose only desire is to see God’s will be established on earth. (Matt.6:9-10) Is that you !

    • Croco Dile

      The most perfectly frenzied of the whole troupe of prophets, so far as the record goes, is Ezekiel. His regular diet seems to have been bread made of human dung; but for some unrevealed reason, Yahveh indulgently gave him a substitute of cow’s dung, and commanded him : “Lo, I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith” (Ezek. IV,15). And he assures us that Elohe Yahveh “put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven” (VIII,3); and that “the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of Yahveh” and things unspeakable.
      Neither man nor beast, before or since, except maybe in heaven, ever looked like what Ezekiel tries to describe : “Every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. [Isaiah says (VI,2,11), each one had six wings; but probably he couldn't see to count because of the smoke]…. They four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle: Thus were their faces…. Their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.” They had wheels (or perhaps it was Ezekiel himself), and works inside like “a wheel in the middle of a wheel”; and they had four rings “full of eyes round about” (Ezek. I,6-18).

      • Amorette Keenan

        Description refers to the angelic realm – a Seraphim – not a human.

        • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

          Amorette, you are not going to convert this troll, Croco Dile has no desire to change, the mission here is spewing hatred, like Satan uses Scripture to try and tempt us and rebuke Scripture.

          He doesn’t care about what YOU or I KNOW or WHAT YOU or I BELIEVE. Don’t feed the animals, they will become dependant on you to get their nurishment. If Croco Dile whats a choir to preach to then Croco Dile should go to the next sacrafice to his lord and god[s] of Baal Peor.

          Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

          • Croco Dile

            The strange phenomenon of the persistence of Christianity into the 20th Century can be understood only by consideration of the means employed for, and the medium of un-culture permitting, the propagation of this forged faith through the centuries of the Dark Ages of Faith, with its medieval “hangover” into the present scientific era.

      • Daniel Martinovich

        Bread cooked over a fire fueled by human dung dofus.

        • Croco Dile

          Later the forgerers realized the mistake of their predecessors and corrected it.
          You should read old versions of this book…. and compare.

          • Daniel Martinovich

            Un huh, in your dreams. Such a shameless liar.

  • katekastorff

    If Jesus can take a whip to the corrupt asses of the Temple merchants, I can fight for my rights as a Christian-to the death. Mine or yours…makes no difference to me.

  • Heath

    you know i read all of the comments and i have to say, and honestly i can see that we are in the final church age. Some of the language and attitudes that are being displayed by so called christians is alarming. Now i say that i am a veteran so i am not some tender footed person, i have seen, done and said it all. But if your a christian and supposedly standing up for christian values you cant say that in one breath and call someone a ‘pussy’ in another breath. And i cant say as i totally agree with any of you or the writer. Yes Jesus could be strong handed at times with those who opposed him or were doing wrong, i.e the money changers in the temple. But he was not like that all the time. It seems that all of you portray Christ as a man that was crass and arrogent. He was none of the above, yes he could be those things when he needed to be but the other 99% of the time he was/is the embodiment of love. So it seems to me that you each of you needs to delve back into God’s word and learn more about Christ. And i am not self righteous, because i need to do the same thing and i know this, like i said i have alot in my past that i will have to answer for, but not standing up for Jesus wont be one of them.

    • fedup

      Heath, you’re getting there in understanding. If I may, and I say this with all love. Was it arrogant for God not to allow Moses access to the promised land becoz Moses would not allow God to wipe out His people for rebellion, or becoz Moses was told to speak to the rock, not strike it. Was it arrogant of God to allow a Angel to wipe out thousands of Kind David’s camp becoz David took a census. Was it crass for God to allow a harlot to be in Jesus lineage. Was it arrogant for God to strike Annias and Sapphira for lying to Peter or Stephen being stoned for standing against the church then ? God IS love then and today as forevermore.

      • Croco Dile

        The true purpose of the Moses fairy tale :

        “Thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest’s office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death” (Num. III,10); a murderous priestly monopoly in the Moses family, limited to Brother Aaron and his sons in perpetuity, under penalty of death.

        The “Chosen” of Yahveh, to the eternal glory of God, put into pious execution this holy command, and butchered some 68.000 women and young children; then these “peculiar treasures unto Yahveh” took the remaining 32.000 young virgins to glut their hallowed lusts upon in God-ordained rape! Verily, as the Psalmist sings, “the commandment of Yahveh is pure, enlightening the eyes” (Ps. XIX,8).

        • Daniel Martinovich

          umm yeah….in your hallucination.

          • Croco Dile

            No, in the Bible !
            You should read it….

            Through the Jesus character the rulers are talking to YOU (them) :
            He answered, To you [the rulers] it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven [Cosmos], but to them [YOU] it has not been given. The reason I speak to them [YOU] in parables is that “seeing they [YOU] do not perceive, and hearing they [YOU] do not listen, nor do they [YOU] understand.” – Matthew 13:11,13

          • Daniel Martinovich

            Sorry, I see and comprehend the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven. Your all talk, nothing real.

    • Jason Hunt

      So when Christ was being ‘crass and arrogant’, He was not acting in love? If that’s true, then you and I don’t believe in the same God.

  • Cynthia Banks

    Heath, this gentleman is right. The Milk Toast gospel being preached today, is a mockery of what the disciples and Jesus did. You better be ready to stand strong, speak the word in season and out of season. You better be willing to die for it. And few are. Jesus was not cross, it was direct, and purposeful. This gentleman wrote nothing of the sort of being arrogant or cross. On the contrary he spoke to the religious arrogant of Jesus’s time; too stubborn to see the truth right before their eyes. He was simply stating the truth. The other day a man was preaching a different Jesus, not the Jesus of Christianity, but the Jewish Jesus yet to come. Should we pat him on the head. He is a former Christian who has become a Jew. You need to toughen up, the times are going to get ugly. They will be putting those to death who preach the truth. Are you up to it?

    • Croco Dile

      Elijah the Tishbite was a typical “meshuggah”; he was “an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins” (2 Kings I,8); he lived in deserts and caves, and “angels and ravens fed him”; he saw and talked with Yahveh in great and strong winds which rent the mountains and brake in pieces the rocks, in earthquakes, in fires, and in a still small voice. He had a wonder-working phallic staff, with which he parted the waters of rivers so that he could walk across dry-shod; and he is said to have raised a dead child to life by laying the stick upon him (2 Kings IV,29).
      [In the book of fairy tales, the Bible] Elijah murdered two companies of fifty soldiers and their captains by calling down fire from heaven to consume them in order to prove “if I be a man of the gods” (2 Kings I,12); and he murdered the 450 priests of Baal and the 400 “priests of the groves” (asherah), for the same purpose. As Elijah himself admits : “I, even I only, remain a prophet of Yahveh” (1 Kings XVIII,22); and as there were at that time only seven thousand persons in all Israel who “bent not the knee to Baal” and kissed not the Baalic phallus, as the sacred text says (I Kings XIX,18), it would seem that this mighty “meshuggah” of Yahveh used drastic means to vindicate his very minor dignity and importance.

      • Daniel Martinovich

        Again, your hallucinations to validate your own wickedness.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        The priests of the groves were Pagans who worshipped The Goddess.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      “They will be putting those to death who preach the truth. Are you up to it?”
      ………
      FBI LOOK SHARP. “Christian warrior” here. Just like Adolf.

      • Cynthia Banks

        Yes, are you, I sixty-five, I seen it all and the Gospel is only thing worth dying for.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I would die for my children. I am not dying for a book full of poetry, sexual crime, rape, genocide and some damn good preaching. You die. I will save France.

          • Cynthia Banks

            Well that is how you can know that the bible is true, because it doesn’t paint a pretty picture of victories, but rather the reality of life and the failures of man….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You concentrate on man’s failures and I will concentrate on humans who overcome adversity or just write good novels, mkay? Then we will both be content.

  • Andy

    What has happened is that the “politically correct” syndrome has spilled over dramatically into our churches, music, teachings, etc. AND with that, I am reminded of the scripture where we are exerted to be “neither hot or cold lest we be spewed out of His mouth”. I believe this is a direct spiritual contradiction to trying to walk the world’s line of political correctness.

  • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

    “Put on the WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD!” —Ephesians 6

    “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
    And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.”

    [Luke 14:26-27]

    If you’re not going to a BIBLE TAUGHT and PREACHED Church, you are part of the problem…….We are warned of the FALSE TEACHERS [2 Peter 2] We must rebuke them.

    “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.”
    [2 Timothy 2:15-16]

    The Politically Correct Quasi-Lovey-DOVEY Churches who think and PREACH that GOD MUST CHANGE to accomodate them are the problem; because they are afraid of TELLING THE TRUTH. Children have morphed into a group of society who CANNOT ACCEPT the words “NO, YOU’RE WRONG AND YOU NEED TO GROW UP!”.

    Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

  • ansonheath

    The parallels between the church and our culture are clearly visible – unless we willfully do not see. However, as many folks believe, they are not the sign of the ultimate end. They are just the signs of apostasy within the church that have occurred many times in history. Each phase has then launched the next reform or revival. Any one of us can plant the seeds of revival which the next generation will bring to fruition. What we need to do is give up our theology of defeat and complete the ‘Great Commission’!

  • Ajean72

    I see many Christians give in to the left and worry too much about what they say about God, their belief in God or heaven or hell. The left ridicules the right (as if they have proof of God’s existence) and many Christians give in, or admit they don’t believe in God, or worry too much about offending other people. I don’t worry about offending anyone. I try to follow the ten commandments, I know I am not perfect, but I also know I will never let the left or atheists question my love for God and beliefs and the people that do, need to look at who it is they are really trying to please, God or man?

    • Croco Dile

      There was no Holy Ghost on record in those days; but the old prophets “meshuggahs” confessedly “followed their own spirit,” as Ezekiel avers (Ezek. XIII,2), and Jeremiah confirms: “They prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart” (Jer. XIV,14); so that Yahveh himself declares, through Jeremiah : “I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten” (XXIII,40). This book helps Yahveh to that end. Thus Peter is seen to have erred in his interpretation of scripture; which is not to be marveled at, but rather excused, seeing that he was an “unlearned and ignorant man” (Acts IV,13).

      • Elton Robb

        You believe in Energy, right? You believe in feelings, correct? Can you say that you don’t have feelings? You believe in emotion, right? Energy in motion? You believe energy travels from place to place, correct?

        • Croco Dile

          I don’t need to belive this.
          What you ask can be proven. No need for Faith.

  • Greg

    “The fear of The Lord, is to hate evil.”
    Proverbs 8:13
    If Jesus were to walk across America today, he would be the object of much scorn. He would be called a hater, a bigot, a homophobe, a racist, a discriminator, and a citer of violence among other things. I doubt he would even last a month, before either being imprisoned or killed. The main reason. Jesus is not a coward and not afraid of offending anyone, and would not backdown from proclaiming the Truth.

    • Croco Dile

      The Gentiles believed already in virgin-born gods and in resurrections from the dead : the myths of Attis, Adonis, Isis, and Tammuz were accepted articles of their pagan faiths; fertile ground for a new faith with little or nothing new or strange about its beliefs and dogmas. So to the pagan gentiles the Jesus propagandists turned, and fortified their propaganda with marvelous tales of venerable “prophecies” wonderfully fulfilled : “and when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of Yahveh” (Acts XIII,48).
      It was among these pagan gentiles that the propaganda of the new faith was chiefly conducted and was most successful….. until today.
      The inspired formula of the new faith is Paul’s own confession : “Believing all things which are written in the prophets” (Acts XXIV,14); and “believing all things, hoping all thing” (2 Cor. XIII,7), their faith was to them “the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” (Heb. XI,l) – and not knowable; “Hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?” (Rom. VIII,24).

  • JPS in NJ

    Thank you so much for saying what I’ve been thinking! Years ago, I heard a sermon that our faith should provide both a comfort and a challenge. That made a lot of sense to me. I’ve thought in those terms ever since and have been observing. I see comfort after comfort after comfort, and not very much challenge. I hear of a lovey-dovey God who doesn’t confront anything. Lots of talk about peace and almost none about fiery judgment. Legions of believers want to be “encouragers”, and not nearly enough want to fight systemic evil other than “social injustice”. As you very correctly point out, this one-sided picture of a squishy, fuzzy deity is unbalanced at best. So here we are nowadays, soft little flowers being flattened by rampaging, trampling atheism, homosexualism, and the like. @SayNo2BigGay

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      ::: singing ::: the gay banditos are coming to take you away, take you away …

  • Blither box

    She wears boots and a combat helmet.Shes in continual danger from multi-kulti (don’t lie)Muslems who keep their vicimized prizes in tents are everywhere ready to kill you and take your wife as war booty(yep,don’t lie)And all the while the men of that flock pretend that they are good.I thought the kingdom was within you.I guess tha means wait huh?Christian men are the weakest link and christian women are geting a reputaion right under the idiot’s nose.Have kids with her pimp, the future is looking as bright as a fire.Call the zookeeper government to get condoms and abortions but don’t call yourselves human while the sun is out.How about dog people or monkey gang instead?

  • CarolinaSistah

    If you take a look at what is happening to our country morally, it is obvious that the Church (body of Christ) has ceased to function optimally!

    • fedup

      Is it time for imprecatory prayers ?

  • floridavet

    It is recorded historical fact that John Wesley…founder of modern church Methodism…used to visit his churches often…and one of the first things he would inquire about is whether or not the pastor had received any complaints from his parishioners. And…if the answer was no, Wesley would promptly remove the pastor from office.

    Wesley felt that the church failed to call sinners to repentance, that
    many of the clergy were corrupt, and that people were perishing in their
    sins.

    But…saving them from hell involved first “offending them.”

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      IOW he fired the occasional pastor doing a very good job as well as the scrubs. This is admirable?

  • randellmd

    Worst gateway for every wind of doctrine to blow through the Church is the melding of Scripture and secular, humanistic psychology. God didn’t call us to be “licensed professional counselors” he called us to preach the unadulterated Word of God. God never asked for man’s input!!

  • 1marksman

    We have all heard the old adage (you can catch more flies with honey>>>). You can’t use that with the gospel. The true gospel has to be told in full. Anyone who waters down the Gospel for political expediency is not only endangering the souls of the people he is speaking to but his own. You can’t teach what is not in the Bible or leave anything out that is in the Bible. I fear greatly for all the Clergy who preach the politically correct version of the Gospel and leave out or change even one word of God’s word. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes when they stand before the Judgment Seat of God.

    • Croco Dile

      A curious confession of likely cause and effect – in the mental calibre of the credent – is stated by the Reverend publicity counsel of a national Church : “All sermons should be keyed to the mentality of a fifteen-year-old youth…. Half the people of the United States have the mentality of a fifteen-year-old youth. Most church-goers enjoyed the ‘children’s sermon’ more than the one on religious philosophy…. The average man can carry only one idea at a time.” (Herald-Tribune, Jan. 28, 1930.) – Verily, “Of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.”

      • Jinglebob

        Oh Croco, Peter warned the World of the False Teachers that lay in wait to devoir the weak in knowledge. You truly are.

        • Croco Dile

          Jesus Christ never once even mentioned Adam or the pretended curse and the Fall; he never once intimated that his mission was due to the pretended talking snake scene in the Garden of Eden. More than that, not one of the four writers of the so-called gospels utters a word about Adam, or the curse, or the Fall, or of “redemption” by Jesus Christ for any sin of Adam, which is never even remotely referred to throughout their gospels.
          Neither Jesus nor any of his inspired biographers makes the remotest allusion to the very cornerstone of the “plan of salvation.”
          The awful dogma was inflicted upon suffering superstitious humanity by one who never knew Jesus; who was the most malignant of the early persecutors of the believers in Jesus; one Saul of Tarsus, a Jew, a Pharisee, a doctrinaire, a garrulous, tergiversating zealot, who admits that he “profited in the Jews’ religion above many” (Gal. I,14); then changed his name to Paul, and with the zeal of a new convert became perfectly frenzied as a propagandist of the new religion – admittedly “lying to the glory of God” – to such an extent that he came to be called “the second founder of Christianity,” the creator of its dogma, and deviser of its dogmatic system, self-contradictory in most or all of its muddled propositions.

          • Daniel Martinovich

            George Soros must have forgot to put these in your lessons.
            Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
            Matthew 19:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
            Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
            Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

          • Croco Dile

            No Adam, no Eve, no garden, no talking snakes here….
            All Jewish fantasies !
            You better believe in Mickey Mouse….. At least Mickey is an American character.

        • Daniel Martinovich

          Jinglebob, I think you just totally insulted false teachers everywhere by comparing this troll with them. Shame on you.

  • H Wilson

    Finally!!! The current sugar coated gospel is sad and caters to the sinner but won’t save their souls. I was invited to join a prayer team, but when I told them if God tells me to point something out, i’m going to do that. I was told that they didn’t do it that way. That they changed the wording to make them feel comfortable. Seriously? Where in the Bible did God make anyone comfortable while trying to save a soul? People just don’t get it. Thank you for the article.

  • Matthew Dec

    The problem is that the church has been spiritually poisoned. In the OT it was written that a bastard shall not enter into the Temple; in the NT Paul stated many times to “put away” those that walked not after the Spirit because they would bring the “flesh into the Church.

    Paracelsus described this passage of Scripture via the use of an analogy in his discourse upon the five occult causes of disease, saying; The mind of man is as the “mouth” of his spiritual essence of being. His knowledge and his intellect are the “taste buds” thereof. And, even as when the outer carnal self of man consumes any substance, that substance ceases to be a separate entity from his being via digestion in the stomach, (thereby becoming one with his total being): so likewise is it in the realm of the spirit. For the soul is the stomach of the entire essence of man
    which will wreak all manners of evil via sin upon the existence of man (mentally, morally, and even physically) even as will a carnal poison ingested…

    …For this cause cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
    But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. 1Cor. 11:30-32

    For this cause Paul also wrote,
    …I speak as unto wise men; judge ye what I say.
    The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
    For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are
    all partakers of that one bread…1Cor.10:15-17

    Now, this “bread” whereof which he speaks is not the material composition that is physically consumed, but rather, the ideological influence of the doctrine propagated: and the “blood” spoken of is not that which runs through carnal veins, but rather, the active “becoming of” or “doing” of the prescribed indoctrination.
    For an indepth Scriptural analysis thereof this teaching, a greater portrayal may be found in part 2 of this book. To return to Paul,

    …Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of
    the sacrifices partakers of the alter?
    What say I then? That the idol is anything, or that which is
    offered in sacrifice unto idols is anything?
    But I say, that the things which the gentiles (godless)
    sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils and not to God: and I would not that ye
    should have fellowship with devils.
    You cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils:
    Ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and the tables of devils.1Cor.10:18-21

    To understand this in its simplicity, one must first comprehend what the “sacrifice” consists of. This “sacrifice” is the sacrifice of praise upon the alter, or table (
    doctrinal Truth) of the Lord; and the cup thereof is the communication and doing thereof.

    As it is written,
    …By Him ( Christ) therefore let us offer the sacrifices of
    praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving praise to His
    Name.
    But to do good and communicate forget not: for with such
    sacrifices God is well pleased. Heb.13:15-16
    Would you like to see just how rampant this form of sorcery
    is in America today? Turn on your TV and watch a variety of the well known
    “sit-coms” that do not but teach and promote a godless lifestyle and
    listen to the sacrifices of praise given after each remark of debauch. You will
    quickly realize of whom the Apostle referred to in saying,

    …These are spots in your feast of charity, when they feast
    with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water,
    carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead,
    plucked up by the roots;
    Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame;
    wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
    Jude1:12-13

    This manner of witchcraft not only rules the airwaves of modern “entertainment”, it also has grown so strong as to become the foundation of an anti-Christ form of political rule whereby which children are taught that they come from monkeys, and sodomy is now becoming an accepted doctrine to be fed the children in grade school.
    Verily satan has his foot soldiers… but where are God’s? I’ll tell you where they are, sitting in Walter Mitty land expecting to hear, “Well done good and faithful servant…”

  • Tom Joseph

    The seeker sensitive church does a great job fishing for what a terrible job of cleaning them.

  • Sarah Conner

    Sure do miss the fire and brimstone preachers from way back when…they flat out told the congregation how the cows eat cabbage and never backed down…seems like the spine has been ripped from the elder clergymen…

  • Tom

    The best compliment I’ve ever received for a sermon came from another pastor who said, “That sermon encouraged my heart, challenged my mind and tanned my hide; all at the same time.”

    You can’t have an impact without a collision! The Truth of the Gospel always has an impact when it collides with the soulish nature and the false doctrines of the world.

    • Sunny

      Amen pastor!
      That’s the way to keep the Spirit in your church+

    • Croco Dile

      The mythic Yahveh of Israel, exactly like all ancient and some more modern mythic deities, was by his professional prophets and priests pretended to have spoken and commanded through them. But in truth, as admitted, “the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means, and the people love to have it so” – then, and all through human history. Professional priests undeniably devised all “revealed” gods and religions; professional clergy are yet the propagandists of these ancient myths as “religion” of God, as “articles of faith necessary to salvation” – with damnation as the alternative.

  • Twitch

    Yup. Jesus was a carpenter, so he would have been burly, strong, and very blunt.

    • Winston

      Yes, and a lesson to be learned from the TRUE church of the apostles and Christ Jesus is they traveled with only but clothes on their backs and a small money purse… not radically seeking to grow a Mega-Chruch to get rich, sell books, be seen on TV as money grubbers, et al.. Those so-called pastors have a rude awakening coming to them when they self-justify their actions before God at final judgment.

    • Jinglebob

      Actually, translation from the Greek states that Joseph/Jesus was really what we would call a handyman today. One who ‘works with his hands,” a mason, carpenter, well digger, brick maker etc.

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Think about this–Lyndon Baines Johnson signed into law the non-profit status for churches, and why do you think this was done? Only to keep the clergy in line in order to preserve the loopholes they enjoy and get rich on. “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” could refer to the lack of leadership in our churches, also.
    Was thinking about Joel Osteen’s loss of 600K dollars from Sunday’s collection plates, but he was certainly quick to say they were insured–makes you think about that theft also.

  • Native_spirit

    Yes we have become soft as a society, but do not blame it on the individuals of a denomination. The media does a fine job of twisting the truth, and translating the wrong message when it comes to churches. The Pope speaks of love, and eternal damnation when it comes to sin, but his words are soon replaced by the media, and others with words which are not true. How would you know the difference if most do not live, and study their faith? Some Catholics, and Christians manipulate the teachings to fit their life styles. Church is attended only when they feel like it. An athletic does not become an Olympic star simply by a whim. He has to train to the letter from early childhood. Since this is so, we as Christians or Catholics must live our lives as an example. Worshipers are many, but few are willing to give their entire life to God. This is what is wrong with society.

    • razzy1492

      I would blame the church. The church needs to influence the secular culture. But first the church needs to repent. Don’t be so sure about this pope, he is teaching things are not in line with the bible. The media does not pick it up because when it comes to the things of God the media is blind.

    • Winston

      “Media twisting the truth”? Read this to see who is really twisting the Truth:

      When Mega Pastors Twist Scripture and Twist Arms For Money
      http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/when-mega-pastors-twist-scripture-and-twist-arms-money

      Released March 17th: Twisted Scripture, Twisted Theology: 42 of the Most Twisted Scriptures that Lead to Bad Theology and an Unbiblical Worldview
      http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/store/product.php?SessionID=&CustomerID=0&ProductID=2116

      p.s. you’ll never find me or my family in an apostate Roman Catholic cult “church”!

      • Native_spirit

        No one is twisting your arm. If you like being something else then that is your choice. The only words I trust are those of the bible. So go ahead folks say all you want. I will pray for people like you often, and hope that you too will find peace as I have. There is no need to say anything else as far as I am concerned. I have said it all.

      • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

        I could care less about the “World’s View”. I don’t disagree that there are Mega Pastors that pervert GOD’s word to fit their scenario. but they are NOT Men of GOD; they are men of men.

        “No man, for any considerable period, can wear one face to himself
        and another to the multitude, without finally getting bewildered as to which may be the true.” [Nathaniel Hawthorne]

        These individuals align themselves more closely to the False Prophets and Teachers that we are are warned about in 2 Timothy 3; 2 Peter 2 and Titus 1.
        We shall know them by their fruits…………………

        Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

  • http://www.boogerhook.com Jeremy Martin

    “Nicer-than-Christ”. Christ will torture everyone in fire for eternity for not worshiping him and doing exactly as he says. In my book that isn’t “nice”. That is childish foot stamping and he deserves to be brushed off and ignored as you would a child throwing a tantrum. Christ commands everyone else to go the extra mile that he would never do even though he supposedly has infinite resources. Good thing Christ is mythological like Hercules. If he actually existed we would have to team up to put him down like a scurvy dog. Arrr!

    • Memphis Viking

      Christ would never go the extra mile? You mean like giving up His deity, living a normal, human life, and being tortured to death?

      • http://www.boogerhook.com Jeremy Martin

        “Christ would never go the extra mile?” – No, he would not. Not according to the character he has in the bible. Matthew 5:40 – ‘And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.’ Christ can snap his fingers and make a million coats appear. He has unlimited resources. Humans, on the other hand, have finite resources, especially if poor.

        “You mean like giving up His deity” – So you are telling me that you believe Christ was NOT god in the flesh as the scripture maintains?

        ” living a normal, human life” – Being able to heal people with a touch, come from a virgin birth, cure the blind with a touch, cure the deaf with a touch, walk on water, and raise the dead is NOT a “normal, human life”

        “being tortured to death?” – Jesus had God powers. He could heal the sick and remove pain. He decided to allow himself to feel pain in this case unlike normal humans who do not have that option. He also came back to life in the story and then flew off into eternal paradise where he is the grand sovereign of all. that isnt dead nor is it a sacrifice. Jesus lost nothing. Nothing lost equals no sacrifice. Are you trying to tell me that you believe that Jesus is dead? That is not what scripture says.

        • Memphis Viking

          What I hear from you is whining and bitterness that God doesn’t just give you whatever you want.

          Christ wasn’t just God in the flesh. He was fully human. He either voluntarily gave up His power, or simply chose not to exercise it, the Bible isn’t clear on that.

          Ok, His life wasn’t normal. No one else has ever lived a sinless life. But His life was human. He spent 33 years as a man, being tired, and hungry, and sick.

          You’re right. Jesus decided to allow Himself to feel pain. Something He wouldn’t do if you were correct that He would never go the extra mile. He allowed Himself to be tortured and humiliated, and killed. You think that wasn’t a sacrifice? He took on the responsibility for all the sins of mankind, and was separated from God. You have no conception of what kind of sacrifice that was. You also clearly have a limited understanding of the scriptures you try to use as an argument.

  • SkySoldier

    Amen! Preach it brother. We’ve walked out of churches where the very young “senior pastor” is nothing more than a former teeny-bopping youth pastor and isn’t mature enough to property interpret God’s Word. They dress like they’re going to a rock concert or hip hop dance than shepherding a flock of believers. They’re more of being “girlie boys” than MEN OF GOD. For sure there are as many “kinds” of Christians than there are DVDs in a Walmart and most of them will be left behind when Jesus raptures His true church.

    • Dianna Zerbe

      yes when I go to church I want to hear the Word of God! I don’t need an hour of what’s going on after church! I go to worship and praise Almighty God! I go to be taught the Word of Almighty God! I believe when we go to the House of God we should go to honor Him and we should go in our finest. God knows what our finest is! Hallelujah! We are just to honor Him!

      • Croco Dile

        The most and worst that follows from the discovery that the Bible is not the “Word of God” – merely Jewish fables of Yahveh and his Son – is that God has not seen fit to deliver any written “word” or “law,” either to the ancient Hebrews, or to the Christians, or to anybody else. Possibly the Supreme Architect of the Universe, who framed all this wonder of the world and established its immutable laws, could, and would if he so pleased and saw fit, find some way and means to make written revelation of himself and of his will for the behoof of the human race. But he who ordered the harmony of the worlds and ordained their divine laws, would in such event, we may do him credit to believe, so reveal and state his will and laws to man that man would know veritably two things : that the God made the revelation, and what he said and meant. It would be certain and unmistakable, so that it could be known for sure to all men. It would be as simple, too, as two and two are four; so simple and sure that the wayfaring man, though a fool, could not err therein. There would be no danger of losing one’s soul through the impossibility of understanding the revelation; no occasion for “heresies” and schisms, and sects, with different and discordant interpretations of it, as with the present revelations of Yahveh and Son by the mouth of priests and clergy. In such a true God-given revelation there would be no occasion for the apologetic casuistry of Peter – himself an “ignorant and unlearned” person – for the Jewish revelation, “in which are some things hard to understand, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest unto their own destruction” (2 Pet. III,16); and Paul would not be so put to it to make believe that “the foolishness of God [Yahveh] is wiser than men” (I Cor. I,25).
        The supreme destiny of the human soul would not be left, by a true and intelligent God, to such clouded, mystic, mythic, jangling jargon of professional priests and “prophets” and apostles and theologians as we have found their “revelation” and theology to be.

        IS IT GOD’S WORD ?
        AN EXPOSITION OF THE FABLES AND MYTHOLOGY OF THE BIBLE AND OF THE IMPOSTURES OF THEOLOGY
        by Joseph Wheless – New York 1926

        • Pablo Descartes

          I don’t believe you exist.

        • Chubby Freen

          So, a Freemason…

        • Tim Mayeaux

          no dead sea scrolls in 1926 ? No military miracles since Israel has been a nation (1948). Are you a mushroom ?

          • Croco Dile

            Hello.
            If you could expand on your thought, then I won’t need to guess……

        • Tim Mayeaux

          Enjoy your HOLYDAY on April 1st.

      • Tim Mayeaux

        your finest are filthy rags to GOD. HE is looking on the heart. HE will be worshipped in Spirit & Truth.

  • Dianna Zerbe

    AMEN! Praise be to God! the church has become too Politically Correct. the church wants to please everyone! Well Hallelujah! Praise be to Almighty God! the only one I want to please is my Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST! Hallelujah! Praise God! I love JESUS and JESUS loves me! Thank you JESUS!

    • Croco Dile

      Dianna, Jesus is a fictitious character invented for the benefit of the Roman Empire.
      You are worshiping Fiction.

      • Memphis Viking

        Denying the existence of Jesus is an intellectually lazy position, since there is more than enough evidence of His life. It would also be interesting to hear why the Roman Empire would have benefited from inventing Him.

        • Croco Dile

          His authenticity is just wishful thinking of dilusional people.

          Though the three families had been able to put down the revolt, they still faced a potential threat. Many Jews continued to believe that God would send a Messiah, a son of David, who would lead them against the enemies of Judea. Flavius Josephus records that what had “most elevated” the Sicarii to fight against Rome was their belief that God would send a Messiah to Israel who would lead his faithful to military victory. Though the Flavians, Herods, and Alexanders had ended the Jewish revolt, the families had not destroyed the messianic religion of the Jewish rebels. The families needed to find a way to prevent the Zealots from inspiring future uprisings through their belief in a coming warrior Messiah.

          Then someone from within this circle had an inspiration, one that changed history. The way to tame messianic Judaism would be to simply transform it into a religion that would cooperate with the Roman Empire. To achieve this goal would require a new type of messianic literature. Thus, what we know as the Christian Gospels were created.
          In a convergence unique in history, the Flavians, Herods, and Alexanders brought together the elements necessary for the creation and implementation of Christianity. They had the financial motivation to replace the militaristic religion of the Sicarii, the expertise in Judaism and philosophy necessary to create the Gospels, and the knowledge and bureaucracy required to implement a religion (the Flavians created and maintained a number of religions other than Christianity). Moreover, these families were the absolute rulers over the territories where the first Christian congregations began.

          • Jinglebob

            Just because the Jews are still waiting does not prove your point. there was some 200 cases where the coming of Christ was prophesied and written into the Jewish Bible, The first four books od the O.T.

          • Croco Dile

            The prophets, as described by Inspiration, were a precious set of lazy and worthless vagabonds of Israel, the exact counterpart of the howling dervishes and divination-mongers of their cousin Ishmaelites. They were “seers,” fortune-tellers, and diviners, through pretended dreams and trances, and by the use of sacred dice and arrows, and phallic images of Yahveh.
            The job of a prophet was a free-for-all occupation, which any one who pretended to feel the divine afflatus, or was a fluent liar, could take up at will and without license. Jeremiah describes their single qualification : “Every man that is mad [ish meshuggah], and maketh himself a prophet” (Jer. XXIX,26). Hosea also declares the same truth : “The prophet is a fool, the man that hath the spirit is mad [meshuggah]” (Hos. IX,7). Elisha is called “this mad fellow [meshuggah]” (2 Kings IX,11). A thousand instances prove the truth of these candid admissions that the prophets were a rabble of frenzied fakirs.

          • Daniel Martinovich

            “and phallic images of Yahveh”
            Now we are getting to things you can relate to. Unfortunately for you. Not in the Bible either.

          • Tim Mayeaux

            the phallic statue in St. Peter’s square. Brought there in the 13th century? Mixing Egypt (world) with GOD (divine) ? blaspheme

          • Daniel Martinovich

            The phallic statue in the imperial church of the Roman Empires square? Should you have expected different?

          • Elton Robb

            Jesus is real.

            There are dozens of people who had Near Death Experiences that give testimony. Some of these men and women were clinically dead. After all, one man who had an NDE was stung by five box jellyfish. He was definitely dead. Because the sting from one is enough to kill you dead. As a door nail.

            However, he was brought back to life. Scared the living daylights out of the nurse and surprised the physician that prodded his feet with a knife like a piece of meat. He was dead.

            He testified he met Jesus, who showed him the Next World. Feeling his pure love, he almost stayed, but Jesus revealed to him his mother. He returned to life.

            Jesus Christ is real. You may have evidence that he is not, but he is real. I have read the testimony of dozens. And I, myself, know his voice. After all, you try to convince 82 men to go about the Whole World to preach the Good News of Salvation and Christedness. All but one would be captured, persecuted, and slain.

            It goes like this: go tell people about the Law of Attraction, and to become Christed. Join a church, and have them give up 10% of their income to the Church so the Church can go about its work. Tell people to repent of their sins and their gods are not real and not the way to Salvation but through a man that was crucified on a cross made of wood and nailed with Roman roman nails.

            And after 3 days, he is resurrected. Tell everyone, go without purse or scrip to tell this good news. As the world distrusts travelers, go and do it on your own money. Pass a book (the Bible or the Book of Mormon) and ask people to read it to get the spirit of Christ.

            As a reward, you’re thrown into jail, crucified, exiled, flayed alive, stoned to death, laughed at, anger people, get vegetables thrown at you, have wild dogs sicked on you, choked, and get shot at.

            Really? Does this sound like a an enterprise that is seeking a profit off your soul? For what it’s worth, whatever you felt about religion, Religion is the cause your an atheist.

          • Croco Dile

            Those people live in Fantasy, and so are you.

          • Elton Robb

            My fantasy is better than yours. After all, you don’t think.

          • Croco Dile

            Productive fantasy yes – religious fantasy no !

          • Knybee

            You’re being a very ignorant person. If you believe these things that you wrote to be true, doesn’t that require faith, seeing as you have no definitive proof that they are true? After all, you weren’t there yourself and are only (supposedly) quoting the witness of someone else. That would also make you a hypocrite for having faith in what someone else said or wrote, but then mocking and denying others that have their own faith.
            Since, looking at these times as an example, you know that there are those who distort and deceive while reporting the news, that would mean that the honesty of the witness would be the best way of knowing who is telling the truth. So please tell us about the character of those whom you have placed your faith in. Are they as honest as you are?
            I suppose that it would fall on deaf ears if I try to have you understand how ridiculous a belief you have that those who would, after the death of Jesus, lay down there own lives without defense, for a fictitious character. But even so, who do you think is the better witness to be believed? Those who would do such a thing, or those like you, who don’t have the depth of such love and even mock and berate others (that you also don’t know) who do? Who’s veracity of witness would be more believable?
            You don’t know whether Jesus existed or not yet you write as if you do know. That makes you a liar. Your witness then should be unacceptable to anyone who has even a little common sense. Therefore since you’re not a credible witness, your not even part of the argument.
            You would be more credible if you stated that you don’t know but you don’t believe that he did exist. At least that would be honest.

          • Croco Dile

            The Son of the Hebrew God came in course of time to Jewry ostensibly to make amends for some of his Father’s damning vengeances. He came “to fulfill the law”; not only that, he overdid it and added to it sundry fiery climaxes of cursing and damnation, religious bigotry and intolerance unique to the “Gospel of Love” and of redemptive salvation. For sanctions ad the terror of the new preachments of Christ who “came to bring not peace but the sword,” Jesus himself kindled the fires of Hell and decreed eternal damnation for unbelief : “He that believeth not shall be damned”; “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire”; “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish”; “He that believeth not the Son, the wrath of God abideth on him”! These genial persuasions to belief in the priests were added to by Paul the Persecutor; harking back to his God’s Law of Sinai : “He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy; … Of how much sorer punishment … shall he be thought worthy who hath trodden under foot the Son of God?”; “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment aseendeth forever and ever: and they shall have no rest day or night”……..

          • Daniel Martinovich

            Yeah…..maybe you should heed the warnings?

      • Jinglebob

        The problem with your thought is that there were so many documented cases of witnesses during Christ’s life and ministry. His life was recorded and there is not doubt about this. Do a little research.

        • http://theawakenednation.ning.com/profile/KevinMKeener Snowman8wa

          Jinglebob, @memphisviking:disqus, @diannazerbe:disqus it would behoove us to not waste our time with Croco Dile,
          “cast not pearls before swine, a dog returns to its vomit”
          He trolls blog pages that relate anything Scriptural and without original thought spews unquoted athiestic dogma from Joseph Wheless. This individual is a “SCHATT-DISTURBER” and like wrestling with a pig in the mud, they enjoy it and you just end up dirty……Paul warns us in 2 Corinthians 6; “What fellowship does a believer have with an infidel?”

          We are not going to change this person, our witness can be better utilized elsewhere.

          Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

          • Croco Dile

            Thank you !
            You, also, are worshiping Fiction.

        • Croco Dile

          I did and could find only faked accounts of “witnesses” who were no witnesses at all.
          But you may have something better for me ?

          • Tim Mayeaux

            you are dead spiritually. You will die eternally. sad BUT you are not alone…you will be.

          • Croco Dile

            This is a myth created by corrupt priests.
            Free yourself from their terror !

          • Maxine Heckbert

            Yeah – go stand outside on a beautiful star-laden night. Look up at the stars and speak out into the air: “God are you there? I open my heart and mind up to receive the truth about Jesus Christ in a way that I can understand. I invite you now to take away anything in my thinking that’s not right, and impart your Holy Spirit in my life so I can know for certain the truth about Jesus Christ.’ Amen.

          • Croco Dile
          • Maxine Heckbert

            Yes, thank you I understand the Roman influence. And I will gladly read it if you will agree to do what I suggested. How about it? Or are you afraid to learn something new?

          • Croco Dile

            With “new” you mean the Bible ?
            If yes, it is anything but new…..
            It is not just Roman “influence” – it is Roman creation of Jesus and the legend.
            Don’t be afraid ! Just read.

          • Maxine Heckbert

            By ‘new’ I mean whatever comes up between you and God. I understand what you believe now; I am asking you if you are willing to learn anything new or different than what you currently believe about God, Jesus Christ, life on the planet, etc. Don’t YOU be afraid – why not? Let’s don’t be afraid together.

          • Croco Dile

            I’m learning something new almost every day.
            Let me know what new I can learn.
            I gave you already something…..

      • Believer

        If you believe that all roads lead to God, you’re right. After all every knee will bow. The problem lies in what happens immediately after that. Sounds like you’re walking around without fire insurance. I cry for your soul.

        • Croco Dile

          Please, don’t cry !
          Free yourself from this priestly terror !

      • Pablo Descartes

        I believe you to be fictitious.

        • Croco Dile

          Again I can see, Pablo, you have nothing to say….

      • gussy258

        And you got this information from where? I doubt you’ve read the Bible.

        • Croco Dile

          I read the Bible and it does not make sense.
          Even if you have Faith, which I don’t – it does not make sense with all of those contradictions.

          • coffeeman

            I can see where one would mistakenly believe that because there are errors and contradictions in the modern paraphrases and trunctated mistranslations yet There are no contradictions, not in the kjv.

          • Croco Dile

            You should read a book from Joseph Wheless.
            He did remarkable work on this.

          • Tim Mayeaux

            the engineer also has the ability to learn but the inability to listen. “without me ye can do nothing” sorry, I can’t help you…. can’t help yourself.

          • Maxine Heckbert

            All what contradictions, exactly? That’s a common explanation for not finding God through His Word, but nobody ever gets specific. How about some examples.

          • Croco Dile

            There are books filled with it !

            If you want I can give you a list of the authors you can read !

            The best one is this and it’s available on internet for free :

            IS IT GOD’S WORD ?

            AN EXPOSITION OF THE FABLES AND MYTHOLOGY OF THE BIBLE AND OF THE IMPOSTURES OF THEOLOGY

            by Joseph Wheless – New York 1926

      • Chubby Freen

        Croco Dile, that’s a crock o’ sh*t…

        • Croco Dile

          You are very sophisticated !
          Thank you !

      • MikefromNC

        Nope. Not only is He real, He’s alive! He is God’s Son, actually God himself, fully man, fully God, who came to earth to die as a perfectly acceptable sacrifice for your sins and mine. He loves you that much! He is the one and only way to eternal life in heaven. Now what you do with that information is up to you, but I hope you’ll trust Him today, and invite Him into your heart. But you can no longer claim that nobody told you.

        • Croco Dile

          Religious faith is nothing more than a willingness to await the evidence – believe now, live an untestable hypothesis until your dying day, and you will discover that you were right.
          In real life, a belief is a check that everyone insists upon cashing this side of the grave : the engineer says the bridge will hold; the doctor says the infection is resistant to penicillin – these people have defeasible reasons for their claims about the way the world is. The mullah, the priest, and the rabbi do not.

          • MikefromNC

            Yes, there is a reason it’s called “faith”. Hebrews 11:1 tells us “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”

            The bridge will fail, eventually. Sickness and cures are all temporary. But there is an eternity, the question is where will you spend it?

            Hebrews 9:27 says “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

            My prayer is that you will spend eternity in heaven with God. He wants you there, and has provided the way to get there through faith in Jesus Christ.

            If I am wrong, I will have lived a life trying to help others, caring about them, loving my neighbor, giving to those in need, then I will just cease to exist. If I am right, I will live forever in paradise in the presence of God.

            If you are right, nothing really matters for very long. If you are wrong, you will spend eternity with the realization that you refused to accept the free gift of salvation. can’t you just consider the possibility that maybe God is real, and that He actually loves you and wants the best for you? Is there some harm in at least considering that?

          • Croco Dile

            Yes, this is a standard argument by those in hope.
            I prefer reality over hope and reason over Faith.
            Those who have faith will be betrayed.
            To have positive relationships with people no faith is needed.

          • MikefromNC

            Okay, my friend. We all have to make choices, and we all have to accept the consequences. You may consider it a waste of time, but I will be praying for you. It’s my time, after all.
            I will pray for your eyes and your heart to be opened.
            1 Corinthians 13:12 “For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

          • Croco Dile

            Thank you Mike !
            I appreciate your positive thoughts.
            Please don’t be offended reading my future comments here.
            Stay positive !
            Greatings

          • jubilee

            crocodyle is just another GUY who is an ‘atheist’ ..they just don’t exist!! People are this way because they are disappointed at GOD for reasons we don’t know.. we need to PRAY FOR THEM.

          • Tim Mayeaux

            hope you never end up in court. Can’t swear to tell the truth. Don’t believe in witnesses testifying. Your done….IF there are no rules to govern ourselves, why should I not kill you ? Careful, THAT is right around the corner…………

        • Susan

          Amen! time is of the essence too. Today is the day of salvation. We are not promised tomorrow.

  • Lynx Eye

    That the church has gone soft is no accident. As C. S. Lewis stated in Screwtape GIves a Toast, The unholy can only exist at its best in the vicinity of the holy. Nowhere does Satan tempt so successfully as at the very steps of the altar.

  • Jinglebob

    Too many Pastors don’t want to be too stern with their congregations or it will be felt in attendance and thereby the collection plate, thereby their employment.

    • Sean

      Change “congregations” to “women in the pews” and you’ve hit it perfectly.

  • http://newworldisland.blogspot.com/ Arnoldr

    Amen, and as the pastors resist really challenging the flock, so the members resist challenging the unbeliever, the outright antagonist, the deceiver. Jesus turned over the tables of the tax collectors and called them names. It’s time to reverse course.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      You turn over my table and call me names and I am going to return the favor.

  • coffeeHouse1982

    Cultures with superior customs, such as liberty and free markets, have an advantage over those using primitive practices such as collectivism.

    • Tim Mayeaux

      surely you are not talking about the Divided Socialist State of Amerika. Liberty ? Freedom? Name something you do in the Evil Empire that is not attached to a fine/fee/tax. Your very breath is to be taxed next. Our customs died on April 9 1865. So did the republic.

  • soanonymous

    Yep, it’s fun until you have to take the heat. But the Bible says to not get offended. Even if someone is maliciously attacking me, I find that there’s a small kernel of truth in the attack. So it isn’t really viewed as an attack if I’m really listening. To get offended at every comment (constructive or otherwise) is to be oversensitive and maybe the hurt comes from thinking to highly of oneself. Maybe that’s why the Bible also says to walk humbly with your God.

  • Stephen Watson

    It takes fishers of men and defenders of the faith. For one to be right doesn’t make the other one wrong.
    Stephen

  • waynew

    Thanks Doug, I too have found the fake sweet PC attitude of the majority of these so-called preachers to be disgusting and contrary to the Bible. The Lord said ” I Came not to bring peace, but a sword…” Its my understanding He’s not advocating violence here, but saying He will turn people against you, even family members, as you follow His word… meaning you’re not going to please everyone as a follower of Christ Jesus.

    • Tim Mayeaux

      the study of confederate generals did it for me. FEARLESS MEN of GOD.

  • June Burnett

    Wow, this was amazing to hear from someone else. Our family has this exact attitude. “Strained Gerber’s goo” – I have never heard it described better than this! :-D

  • TC

    My pastor gets upset when people try to reason by “I feel” or “my feeling is”. He says, feeling is a wuss word.

  • Christian

    In one of his letters to Erasmus; Luther said “Your thoughts of God are too human.” Probably that renowned scholar resented such a rebuke, the more so, since it proceeded from a miners son; nevertheless, it was thoroughly deserved. We too, though having no standing among the religious leaders of this degenerate age, prefer the same charge against the majority of the preachers of our day, and against those who instead of searching the Scriptures for themselves, lazily accept the teaching of others. The most dishonoring and degrading conceptions of the rule and reign of the Almighty are held almost everywhere. To countless thousands, even among those professing Christians, the God of the Scriptures is quite unknown. A. W, Pink

  • Doc

    I was baptized an Episcopalian but quit when the C of E decided to have ‘Gay’ Bishops, decided I would try the Roman Catholic church as that’s where C of E originated from… was happy until one sunday when a ‘guest’ Priest from central America told the congregation that illegal aliens were discriminated against and that basically it was our fault as we didn’t stand up for them… Sum-bit-ch I was furious to say the least… I walked out and haven’t been back since… now I am happy to read my bible at home and pray whenever I want… I have friends that feel the same so as the good book says, ‘Where one or two are gathered together there I am’ don’t need leftwing ‘organized’ anti-Christian, Christians trying to BS me, misuse the money I donate to further their causes…
    Follow the Ten Commandments, be forgiving to those that seek redemption and forgiveness and give no ground, forgiveness, empathy, sympathy or succor to those that refuse to believe or who fake repentance by committing the same sins over and over…
    Doc Out:

    • Maxine Heckbert

      May I suggest, as I’m sure you’re already doing, to contribute financially to whatever charitable causes seem appropriate in order to be blessed yourself as well.

  • http://whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com.au/ WMASAW

    Does the good book not say that ‘you should never trust your soul to any women !’
    Now one cannot set foot in any church that is not over run by women. So much for that little command. Tossed to the wayside while the PC police demand ever more access to something they hate.

    • Maxine Heckbert

      What kind of misogynistic crap is that? I know a few churches where the men would rather have a good stoning than let a woman even speak! No the GOOD BOOK does not say ‘you should never trust your soul to any women.’ For married couples it calls men to love their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her, to make her HOLY. So much for what little command? Citation please!

      • Winkmeister

        Trust you not in a friend, put you not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of your mouth from her that lies in your bosom.

        http://biblehub.com/micah/7-5.htm

        • Maxine Heckbert

          Oh I see; you’re drawing your original statement from a description of the fall of ancient Israel. Except I don’t think the exact text says ‘you should never trust your soul to ANY women.’ And it wasn’t a command, it was a description of the times. I think things changed a little bit when Christ came and died for our sins, then was resurrected and sent His Spirit to dwell within us. Some women actually are quite able to be trusted and to serve with honour, as well as lead when necessary, by the power of the Holy Spirit. It’s really important to any children involved, that the women are permitted to lead as well as men, when circumstances require it.

          • George Tasker

            But is it biblical to allow them to do so? Man was put in authority from the beginning when he gave woman her name in Genesis 2. God recognises this authority in Genesis 3 when he speaks to Adam first even though Eve was the first to sin.

          • Maxine Heckbert

            Of course there’s the scripture which says “in the last days I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, both men and women…” (Joel 2). There are scriptures which make ‘blanket statements’ about women which are the favorites in any church where the men insist on dominating instead of taking up their crosses to follow Christ. Such as ‘I do not permit a woman to teach’ and ‘women must be silent in church’ (1 Tim.2:12). Then there are other scriptures which suggest in the last days, when the Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh, both men and women will prophesy. I don’t believe it’s possible to prophesy and remain silent at the same time, so yes, I think it’s scriptural for women to speak up, and even to lead when necessary, according to the will of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit. There are scriptural examples throughout the Bible – for example when Sarah said to Abraham ‘get rid of that slave-woman and her son’. This distressed Abraham but God said to him ‘listen to your wife’ (Genesis 21:12). Abigail over-ruled Nabal, her foolish husband, who was about to bring disaster on his household by insulting David (1 Samuel 25). Deborah, a judge and prophetess, advises an Israelite named Barak about how to receive a victory for Israel but he refused to go forward without her, so she led the attack and claimed the victory (Judges 4). Esther boldly approached King Ahaseurus uninvited, under threat of death should he not receive her, in order to successfully intercede for God’s chosen people (Book of Esther). In the New Testament women were given an increasingly liberal role and lifted up by Jesus, not put in a place of subjugation. Junia is called an apostle (Romans 16:7), Mary Magdalene is not identified as an apostle but one who sat at Jesus’ feet, ‘choosing what is best’ while Martha did housework. Phoebe is referred to as a deacon (Romans 16:1-2). Priscilla, along with her husband Aquila, was a church planter and a business person. Women of courage in general were referred to daughters of Sarah if they “do what is right and do not give way to fear” (1 Peter 3:6). And back to Eve – God gave the command to Adam, not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, while Eve was still his rib. The scripture says he was with her at the time the serpent tempted her, but apparently did nothing to intervene. The fact that God held Adam primarily accountable suggests that he was primarily responsible; at least equally responsible. Finally, the original Hebrew word for ‘helper’ in Genesis 2:18, does not just meant a servant, but also one who surrounds and protects. It is the same word used in the scripture “I lift my eyes to the hills, where does my HELP come from? My HELP comes from the Lord…” That she was made from a rib suggests this was her function in a spiritual way as well, as the rib surrounds and protects the organs vital for life – lungs and heart. Compare this with Jeremiah 31:22 which says “The Lord will create a new thing on the earth: a woman will surround a man.” All the above points to a woman’s pivotal role in the final victory over all evil, stated in Genesis 3:15 where the Lord said to the serpent I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your offspring and hers. He will crush your head and you will strike his heel.” My view of that, is the place of a Spirit-led, fear-free woman in dealing decisively with ‘the serpent’ at work in her husband, father, sons, etc. is straight from God for such a time as this.

          • George Tasker

            Well we could go through every objection you have but for now I will focus on one. With regards to the command that women remain silent you are obviously cherry picking which parts of the bible you want to follow and those you don’t.

            If the Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh can you explain how that relates to ordination. After all there are plenty of things a woman can do to share the gospel without having to be ordained. Why is it so important for a woman to be ordained when the bible is obviously against it?

          • Maxine Heckbert

            I don’t consider them objections; I consider them examples. The fact that you consider them objections, when they are Biblical examples of times when women took initiative with God’s approval, speaks volumes to me. It almost sounds like you’ll be the judge and jury of what God Himself put in place. Ordination? Who needs ordination when they know how to take up their crosses and follow Jesus? I don’t need to be ordained to be used of God: I simply need to stand for His covenant of love to regenerate to my children and to their father; be willing to follow wherever He leads, and trust Him to empower me to do whatever He would have me do. I would think it’s better to NOT be ordained and have to fit in all the human traditions in the churches today.

          • George Tasker

            ” I don’t need to be ordained to be used of God”

            Well at least we have common agreement in one area.

            Ordination is a practice that has been in place since the times of Moses. Lev 8:9-11

            St Paul was ordained at the command of God.

            It is the egalitarians that start arguing against ordination when they figure that they cannot use the bible to support women’s ordination. The premise seems to be that if women aren’t allowed to do be ordained then men should not be ordained either.

          • Maxine Heckbert

            No offense, but from what you just wrote you sound like one very self-righteous ORDAINED pastor. Many others who were used of God were not ordained. I think what we’re really getting at here is that you are right and if I have a different Spirit-led perspective, I’m wrong because you need to be right. Got it.

          • George Tasker

            Think of me as being Tyndale’s ploughboy. Just a humble layman who has spent some time studying the issue.

            “Many others who were used of God were not ordained.”

            Agreed.

            “I think what we’re
            really getting at here is that you are right and if I have a different
            Spirit-led perspective, I’m wrong because you need to be right.”

            My question is that if the Spirit is leading one to do something that goes against what the bible teaches then is that Spirit in fact the Holy Spirit or some other spirit?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You do everything the Bible suggests is correct? Laughing at you.

          • George Tasker

            I’ll see you laughing outside the wall sunshine.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What does that mean?

          • George Tasker

            Read your bible and you’ll work it out darling.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Kiss my sweet pink petunia, TurdBreath.

          • George Tasker

            Such a lovely christian petal you’ve turned out to be darling.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Skeered? I do not blame you. You have no argument beyond shaming, blaming and Nuh-uh.

          • George Tasker

            Keep going Plump Dumpling. You’re the one that ran out of arguments first.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Keep sweet, Georgie Porgie, keep sweet.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            My Christian sect did away with the battle of the sexes in community religious life. We do not ordain. We have no paid official clergy. Every member has a ministry and does minister to others. And we did this in the 1600s.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Everybody sane cherry picks the Bible. Follow Biblical morality to the letter today and you will go to jail and/or be executed.

          • George Tasker

            So you admit that you don’t follow the bible and its teachings. Thanks for making that clear.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No. I “admit” that some of the Bible is useful and some of it is filthy and cruel. I make use of the positive and ignore the negative. Tell me, do you really support killing addicted or disobedient children at the “city gates?” Do that and you go to jail. You may then be biblical but Bubba will have your holy butt.

          • George Tasker

            And just who do you think you are to claim that children are innocent?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am that I am.

          • authentic8

            I’m not totally against what you are saying but, as you have also pointed out, there is context involved in most of these scriptures that both sides of the argument can often miss. One example: “Women must be silent in church” does not say women must be silent everywhere. They may not be permitted by the Bible to teach or prophesy in the official Sunday meetings but that does not mean they cannot prophesy and teach in other situations. One can fully obey that command while still allowing women to fully use their gifts in every other context not covered by the command. Hence, for e.g. women can be civic leaders (as they were occasionally in Israel). There is a danger of taking the examples you give (your respondent also) and using them in contexts that they were not intended.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            A man’s authority ends when I kick him square in the gonads.
            Poor men. You are right to be so afraid of women. Women bear pain better, have better eye hand coordination, live longer, can have multiple orgasms at one session and make babies too.

          • rg9rts

            Ouch! Psssssfty

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yo friend. How is life treating you? So good to see you.

          • rg9rts

            Good caught you on new in your network and couldn’t stop myself. You really get around!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am the Queem Troll of the Universe.

          • rg9rts

            And why are we feeling our oats today??? Rabbit stew….the nip has erupted from dormancy and be ready in a couple weeks

          • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

            Get over yourself.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Why? If I got over myself I would be interested in you. And you skeeve me.

          • George Tasker

            You must be one of those Born Again Virgins I’ve read about.

            Just ho do you think you are to declare what a real man is?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am not interested in you in any way or form. You skeeve me.

          • George Tasker

            Oh but you are. If you truly were as disinterested in me as you claim you would not have made some claim about how much you enjoy kicking men in the nuts.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You argue by misquotation. How tacky.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am God. Unfortunately so are you. And you probably vote.

          • http://whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com.au/ WMASAW

            The above is the standard response of hate and malice that froths forth from feminists and their ilk. They do not come from any principled point of view, only their seething toxic blathering that is supposed to shut everyone up. How dare anyone ever question a ‘woman’ about any issue, especially with facts. Nice try bigot, but next time argue the facts rather than frothing at the mouth, with your nasty vitriolic, despicable loathing of men.

      • WMASAW

        As usual we have that ‘Guest’ liberal name calling attitude, when
        they are facing some reality. It is a fact that churches are over
        flowing now with ‘Women in Charge’ and that delights feminists and
        liberals alike as it forces those churches to go directly against the
        teaching of the bible.

        Not that they ever give a
        damn as they have injected their doctrine and that is all they ever
        wanted, that will lead to it’s destruction.

        Ecclesiasticus 9:2
        Give not thy soul unto a woman to set her foot upon thy substance.

        1 Corinthians 14:35
        And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

        1 Timothy 2:12
        But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

  • Susan

    Amen! Thank you for this powerful article!

  • Maxine Heckbert

    Numbers in the pews and collection plates are often the primary motivation for the Gerber’s goo. If you want offensive, look for someone who’s got nothing as a result of refusing to compromise, and sharing the revelation of God for free. For example, faithofourfathers.ca and faithofourmothers.ca

  • Buro Cratz

    Under Hussein Obama’s criminal marxist regime, cultural Bolsheviks in the US Air Force have mostly targeted and attacked Christians.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Good thing when christians talk like Ted Cruz and his Father. Keep your ‘christian warriors.’

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