Bret Baier Grills Fauci On COVID, The Jabs, And His Dismissal Of The ‘Lab Leak Theory’ (VIDEO)

Written by K. Walker on July 23, 2022

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Yikes! This sort of interview is probably why you don’t see Dr. Fauci appear on Fox News very often.

The Prevaricating Authoritarian Smurf appeared on “Special Report” on Friday and host Bret Baier was merciless.

It started off friendly enough talking about President Biden’s COVID diagnosis and ability to fight off the infection.

Baier then played back clips of The Fauch’s old statements that have aged like milk — the vaccine stops the spread of the virus, that we need to vaccinate everyone as quickly as possible, and that everyone will eventually get the ‘Rona.

He also asked the top public health official some pretty tough questions, for example:

  • Why do we still have mandates?
  • When will we get better vaccines?
  • Why don’t we hear about the downsides of the jabs?
  • Do you still think that the virus didn’t come from the Wuhan lab?
  • Were you ever really open-minded to the lab leak theory?

Fauci says that we now need “better” vaccines that will protect against infection. He says that this “new generation of vaccine” would likely be “mucosally administered” which means either through the nose or mouth rather than injections.

Later, the Prevaricating Authoritarian Smurf says that the reason we continue to have variants that are more transmissible is because the virus continues to spread. Doesn’t that make him directly responsible because he was on cable news every five minutes telling everyone that the vaccines would stop the spread of the virus? Why isn’t he being dinged for medical misinformation?

Watch the full interview here:

Here is the transcript:

BRET BAIER: Let’s bring in the President’s Chief Medical Advisor, Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci, thanks for being here.

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI: Thank you, Bret. Thank you for having me.

BAIER: Are you concerned at all about the President’s ability to fight off this COVID-19 infection?

FAUCI: Well, nothing is 100 percent guaranteed, but everything we’re seeing now is indicating that he’s having a mild course and, as a matter of fact, the good news is that he is already starting to show improvement. He is a person who has generally good health, he’s vaccinated, he’s doubly boosted, and he’s on an anti-viral drug that clearly has a very impressive record of preventing people from progressing — to progressing to disease that might in fact lead to hospitalization. So, he has everything going for him. The good news, Bret, is that when you have someone who has some symptomatology and then over an 18- to 24-hour period that symptomatology improves, that’s going in the right direction. So, for all things that we’re seeing right now, there’s every reason to believe that he will do fine.

BAIER: As you’ve mentioned, he’s twice vaccinated and double boosted — still got infected. The message, you know, over the last couple of days, really the last couple of months is that “Listen, everybody is going to get this.” Take a listen.

[Cuts to video clip]

FAUCI: People are vaccinated and boosted. Sooner or later, as we begin to live with it, virtually everybody is going to wind up getting exposed and likely get infected.

WH PRESS SECRETARY KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: This is — this is, uh, everyone — at some point, everyone is going to get COVID.

[End video clip]

BAIER: Alright, so, Dr. Fauci, if that’s the case, why are there any mandates anymore? For vaccines, or masks, or anything?

FAUCI: Well, you’re going to have to look at it with several different pillars, Bret. When you talk about the fact that inevitably if people have to function out in society given the high degree of transmissibility of this virus, it is going to infect someone who doesn’t have a high degree of protection. And since vaccines are really very good — particularly boosted vaccines — of keeping people from progressing to severe disease, that is the reason why we keep pushing the fact that we should get people vaccinated, and those who are vaccinated should get their booster when it is essentially ready to go according to the schedule.

Now, with regard to masks, this is important, Bret, because yes, it is a very transmissible virus. But when you talk about the things that can prevent infection, masking is clearly quite capable of doing that in both preventing you from getting infected and preventing you from transmitting it to someone if you in fact are infected and don’t have symptoms. So, the recommendation of the CDC — and, remember, it’s not a mandate from the CDC — it’s a recommendation based on a number of factors that are spelled out for ease in a color code, you know, green, yellow, orange, red. And when you have a high likelihood of transmissibility because of the dynamics of the virus in your particular county, city, state, the recommendation is to wear a mask. Sometimes it’s optional or sometimes it’s highly recommended. There’s not a mandate — the mandates, Bret, as you know, come at the local level based on individual counties or health departments that feel it would be necessary to prevent a degree of infection that could maybe overwhelm the hospital system.

BAIER: Right, well, listen, we started out trying to “flatten the curve” and “stop the spread” in 15 days and we’ve evolved. And you’ve talked about it in different ways over the months. Understanding that the virus has changed and the different variants have changed, but the vaccine and what it was able to do or not able to do has changed. Take a listen a little bit back.

[Cut to video clip]

FAUCI: When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not get infected whether they’re outdoors or indoors.

[Cut to another clip]

FAUCI: The easiest way to prevent the scenario that you are proposing could happen, is to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can to not allow the virus to circulate in the community.

[End video clip]

BAIER: In other words, you said, it becomes a “dead-end to the virus” — the vaccine. But that’s not the case.

FAUCI: Well, that’s not the case, Bret, because you have to evolve and meet the virus as it evolves. What was true two years ago, a year and a half ago, changes because the original ancestral strain didn’t at all have the transmission capability that we’re dealing with the Omicron sublineages, particularly the BA.5, which is highly transmissible. So, the vaccine does protect some people, not 95 percent from getting infected, getting symptoms, and getting severe disease. It does a much better job of protecting a high percentage of people from progressing to severe disease. So, to confuse that and say, “Why get vaccinated because everyone is going to get infected — “

BAIER: That’s not what I’m saying. I’m just saying that the evolution is important to point out. And I guess my question is —

FAUCI: [interrupting] The evolution, Bret, you’re —

BAIER: My question is when is the next generation of these vaccines that fit the variants better? Is there a delay on this?

FAUCI: No, Bret. What we need to do — we’ve done very well in getting vaccines in record time that ultimately turned out, given the evolution of the virus, to not necessarily do as well of preventing infection acquisition, but continues to do well in preventing severe disease, hospitalization, intensive care, and death. And the reason we know that, Bret, is because the data are overwhelming. When you look at the difference between vaccinated people — particularly those who are boosted — and unvaccinated people the hospitalization, morbidity and mortality, weighs extremely heavily, multi-fold, among the unvaccinated. That’s not necessarily the case because of the way the virus has evolved when you’re dealing with the acquisition of infection.

So, what we need is I think what you’re hinting at, we need vaccines that are better. That are better because of the breadth and the durability, because we know that immunity wanes over several months. And that’s the reason why we have boosters. But also, we need vaccines that protect against infection. And those are the next generation of mucosally administered. By mucosally, we mean through a nasal administration or an oral administration and that’s what we’re working very hard on to get.

BAIER: The National Library of Medicine, The Lancet published this study on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines and the waning immunity with time, and the study showed that immune function among vaccinated individuals 8 months after the administration of two doses was lower than that among unvaccinated individuals. I guess the question I get a lot is, why don’t we hear the downsides of any vaccines? We really don’t hear that. There’s a study out of Germany that says that the federal institute of vaccines biomedical drugs the rate for the severe adverse reaction — according to them was 1 reported severe reaction in 5000 vaccine injections. Do we have any data about vaccines and the back-end of that, or the negative side of that? There has been a number of studies — New York Times just did one about menstruating cycles and how that is affected by vaccines. 

FAUCI:  Yeah, well… The menstrual thing is something that seems to be quite transient and temporary. That the point — that’s one of the points. We need to study it more. There are downsides to every intervention, but the issue is, Bret, you’ve got to balance what we call the “Risk/Benefit Ratio” and if you look at the deaths and the morbidity of the curves that no one will argue with when you look at a vaccinated person and an unvaccinated person, particularly when you look at a vaccinated person that’s boosted, you look at it and it just explodes out of the slide at you. The difference is stunning. It’s not perfect. No one is saying it’s perfect, but it does a very good job in protecting you from severe consequences. We didn’t anticipate that we would have a virus that had such a capability of evolving and continuing to mutate and the reason for that, I might say, is because when you give the virus the opportunity to continue to spread from person to person, it gives it an opportunity to mutate, and when you give it an opportunity to mutate, in many cases, some of those mutations will lead to a variant that has characteristics — we call it phenotype — has a characteristic that makes it a bit more dangerous in the point of being able to spread better. That’s what we saw with Omicron, and that’s what we’re seeing with BA.5 right now.

BAIER: I only have a couple more minutes because I know you have to go, but… You’ve said that you didn’t believe that it came from a lab leak in Wuhan. Do you refute the accuracy of any of these emails that came out from the Oversight Committee showing top virologists warning you that the virus pointed to gain-of-function research and a lab leak? 

FAUCI: Right. Yeah… but no, actually but what we did we called a group of highly rated and competent virologists to actually look at that feasibility. They looked at the virus and they said, “You know, we’ve really got to look at this more closely.” And I invite you to look and ask any one of those virologists who were there, and when they finally looked at it carefully they said, “You know, after relooking at this carefully now, we think it’s more likely that it was a natural evolution.” Could it be a lab leak —

BAIER: And you still believe that? There are more and more organizations that point to a lab leak. 

FAUCI: No, no, no! That’s not so, Bret. 

BAIER: No, I mean that there are more people saying it both here and around the world.

FAUCI: Bret, more people saying it doesn’t mean that there’s more evidence of it. Now we always must — and I’ll be very official about this — you keep an open mind to any possibility. And I have been of that bent from the very beginning. But if you ask me, and a lot of qualified virologists, looking at the evolution of this, and the epidemiological circumstance, you talk to people that have nothing to do with us here — we look at Australian investigators, people from the U.K, people from Canada, they say, “we have an open mind, but it looks very, very much like this was a natural occurrence.” You keep an open mind —

BAIER: Dr. Fauci, just to be honest, when you read those emails, it doesn’t sound like you have an open mind. When you read the email from Kirsten Anderson who says, “the unusual features of the virus make up a real small part of the genome and one has to look really closely at the sequences to see that some features ook engineered” and you say, “this is a shiny object and it’ll go away” it doesn’t sound like you were open-minded to it.

FAUCI: Bret, I know you’re a good person — I know you a long time. If you take a group of emails where people are considering and thinking out loud and you stop there and don’t look at the weeks of careful examination by those same people that wrote the emails, and then say, now that we’ve looked at it in the published, peer-review literature, they explain very clearly why they think it’s a natural occurrence. The same people who you stopped at this point reading the emails instead of reading —

BAIER: No, I understand. But these are the same people that are being funded by you — by you, getting money from you, and they published a piece called, “The Proximal Origin of SARS” in the Natural Medicine. Did you help edit that piece?

FAUCI:  No, I did not.

BAIER: Okay, but this is where it’s going, and you know that Senator Paul and others are calling for you to testify.

FAUCI: Oh, yeah. Fine.

BAIER: And will you? 

FAUCI:  But let me tell you that’ll be fine. Bret, I know you’re better than this. You go to people who were there and if you think that independent scientists from Australia, from — you know.

BAIER: I know. Thank you Dr. Fauci for your time.

[End transcript]

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